Repost: New Movie about the Fake Holodomor

Those of you who are not familiar with the Holodomor lie that holds that 7-10 million Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death by Stalin in 1932-1933 in order to break their will because they opposed collectivization might want to read up on what really happened in those years. Note that I will accept a figure of 390,000 Ukrainians killed during that period, but I don’t think any of those were deliberately starved.

But oh no, the anti-Communist crazies, the Ukrainian nationalists and the Russia-haters have to have their precious “7-10 million murdered” figure. Read up down below to see why these scumbags, most of whom are unrepentant Nazis, are so enamored of that number. My observation is that “Ukrainian nationalist” and “Nazi” are pretty much synonyms.

Some idiot Hollywood filmmakers, some of them Ukrainians, are behind Holodomor: The Movie, a new documentary about the fake Holodomor of 1932-33, the fake deliberate famine that never even happened.

Looking over the story line, there are problems already.

Worst genocide in the history of mankind. Not true. First of all, it wasn’t a genocide. Second, the figures are wrong.

7-10 million died, presumably all Ukrainians. Not true. There were probably about 5.4 million deaths, most actually due to disease and not starvation. People weakened by lack of food fell prey to disease epidemics, particularly cholera. Sanitation was still rudimentary in the USSR at this time, and the antibiotic era only began after WW2. Before the antibiotic era, those afflicted with epidemic diseases often just died.

The movie implies that only Ukrainians died. This is not true. There was a famine over the entire land. People died in Moscow and Siberia.

The movie implies that Ukrainians as a people were deliberately targeted for genocide. Not true. As noted, starvation occurred throughout the land. In particular, the Russian regions near the Ukraine had death rates as high as the Ukrainians. If the Ukrainians were specifically targeted for genocide, why was the death rate just as high among the Slavs of the Lower Volga?

The movie tells the usual lie – there was a bumper harvest in 1932-1933, but the USSR confiscated the crops in order to kill off the Ukrainians, many of whom were protesting collectivization. It’s not true. The famine occurred because there was a famine harvest. The harvest simply collapsed in those years. Some of it was due to weather, but mostly an epidemic of wheat rust spread throughout the land. The Ukrainians also were destroying many of their own crops, setting them on fire, or harvesting them and then leaving them in piles to rot in the rain.

Anti-government guerrillas were rampaging through the Ukraine, attacking collective farms, killing collective farmers, raping women. In early 1932, there were multiple armed attacks occurring every day. For several years prior, the Ukrainians had been killing their own farm animals. They had destroyed about 50% of the livestock in the USSR. This contributed to the famine since many of these animals were used for food, but also, the horses were used to plow the fields.

The government did not “confiscate the bountiful harvest.” It was a real problem with the Ukrainians destroying the food and farm animals, so it’s true that the state sent soldiers and agents down there to seize grain before it could be destroyed. The grain unfortunately was needed to feed the cities, in particular the army. Ukrainians died disproportionately because this was where the crop failure due to wheat rust was the worst.

It’s not true that the Ukrainians were locked in a prison to starve. It was a very difficult time. The crop had failed, with a famine harvest. People were desperately trying to flee the Ukraine to go to other parts of the USSR. In fact, people were on the move all of the USSR, mostly looking for food. It was a great big mess, because workers need to stay in one place for any work to get done.

If the Ukrainians all left the Ukraine, there would be another famine harvest the next year since there would be no workers in the fields to grow crops. So, yes, they did try to prevent people from moving around, but people kept moving around anyway.

Fortunately, the next year was a bumper crop.

There were no 7-10 million deliberate killings (genocide) in the Ukraine in 1932-33. It’s true that there were 390,000 state killings associated with dekulakization in the Ukraine in 1932-33. If the Ukrainians wish to play that up, they can be my guest. But they seem to have an intellectual hard-on for that juicy 10 million dead number.

How did the “7-10 million” figure pop up?

The figure kept going up, because the Ukrainians kept raising it. After WW2, it was decided that the Nazis had killed 6 million Jews. The Ukrainians were upset about this because it made their Holodomor seem lesser.

Plus, the Ukrainian nationalists who play up the Holodomor were deeply involved in Nazism and mass Jew-killing genocide in the Ukraine after the Germans invaded. The Ukrainian nationalists had Jewish blood of the Holocaust all over their hands, and now the Holocaust was beating their precious Holodomor in the numbers racket too. Something had to be done.

The 7 million figure was tossed out. Why? To outdo the 6 million of the Jewish Holocaust and beat the Jews at the numbers game. Also, to play up the “Stalin was worse than Hitler” card, since the Ukrainians were so deeply in bed with the Nazis, this was meant to minimize Nazism as a lesser evil.

To this day, Ukrainian nationalist groups are some of the nastiest anti-Semites out there, more or less unrepentant Nazis. The fake Holodomor thing is part and parcel of their Nazi anti-Semitic project, since supposedly a bunch of Soviet Jews are the ones who “genocided the Ukrainians.”

Over time, they kept adding onto this, and now we have this inflated 7-10 million figure.

One would think that the Ukrainian nationalists could come up with at least one document showing proof of this Holodomor of theirs. The Soviet archives have been opened, including the secret archives of the KGB. It’s all out there for anyone to look at.

With the Nazis, researchers have been able to go over their documentation scrupulously and find documents showing that the Nazi leadership was behind the Holocaust, as much as they tried to cover it up with euphemisms. That the Ukrainians can’t come up with one piece of paper to prove their case is telling.

What’s strange is that the collectivization project is probably what saved the world from Nazism. The USSR of the 1930’s was involved in breakneck industrialization, since Stalin knew that the Nazis and or the West were going to attack them. They had industrialize quickly or be destroyed. The buildup of the USSR during that period was one of the greatest and most extensive national developmental projects in history.

Collectivization was needed to feed the workers in the cities and to free up workers from the fields. Previously, Russian farmers farmed small, unproductive farms that barely grew enough food for one family. This wasn’t going to feed an industrial society, so collectivization was done. The result of this world-shattering developmental project was that the USSR was able to defeat the Nazis. 89% of Germans killed in the war were killed by the USSR. For all intents and purposes, the USSR won the war for us and saved the world from Hitler.

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11 responses to “Repost: New Movie about the Fake Holodomor

  1. Will show jews as the responsibles for the Genocide?

  2. Jason Y

    Even ep-gah noted that an enemy will burn crops, destroy livestock etc.. in a war situation. Basically, these farmers were anti-communist so the deliberately sabatoged agriculture to protest Stalin’s plans of making “state farms”.

  3. Jason Y

    What’s strange is that the collectivization project is probably what saved the world from Nazism. The USSR of the 1930’s was involved in breakneck industrialization, since Stalin knew that the Nazis and or the West were going to attack them. They had industrialize quickly or be destroyed. The buildup of the USSR during that period was one of the greatest and most extensive national developmental projects in history.

    Collectivization was needed to feed the workers in the cities and to free up workers from the fields. Previously, Russian farmers farmed small, unproductive farms that barely grew enough food for one family. This wasn’t going to feed an industrial society, so collectivization was done. The result of this world-shattering developmental project was that the USSR was able to defeat the Nazis. 89% of Germans killed in the war were killed by the USSR. For all intents and purposes, the USSR won the war for us and saved the world from Hitler.

    Some have said Stalin’s purges (many army officers killed) caused early German victories, and overall Stalin hurt the Soviet war effort. Why would you disagree?

    Also, didn’t the winter play a role, or is that fact exxagerated?

  4. Jason Y

    Truth be told though, even though many ukies are anti-Jewish and whatnot, the Ukraine is still thier country and they were colonized, I mean forced to be a sub-nation of, the Soviet Union. At least with Poland, they at least let them be independent.

  5. Santoculto

    You also will deny the millions of soviet men who were killed in second war world**

    Or the famine in India provoked by the ”queen” ”wicktoria” and their british psycho-troops invaders in the second half XIX century*

    Is not so high brow as you are thinking Lindsay when you are a explicit partisan…

    ”Old ”Socialism” (in true, oligarquic collectivism) is always good…”

    soviet kings were like a angelical despot, great daddy for the east european peoples.

    You still don’t told me what you think about Dilma government…

    I’m waiting your answer.

    Note= christian (or other religious, most part of time) rural people are one of the most primitive people on earth. I’m a weirdo, individual cosmopolitan, rational guy… i’m a alien for most them… BUT it still doesn’t mean that i will pretend that ”they” (specifically, ukrainian rural ones) weren’t trucidated by their angelical desposts during ”soviet era”.

    Lindsay,
    you will deny the massive persecution AND massacre against even slight dissidents***

    Not so different than protestant and catholics riots in France, specially, during the XVI and XVII

    ….

  6. Santoculto

    Your arguments could be possibly credible BUT since you protect blindly the bolivarian des-government AND Iran JUST because they are against jewdalized murrica and zeurop and their ideology, specially, ”Little Venice”… and don’t forget, i’m waiting your answer about dilma government… practically everything you claim about socialism, communism ”or” oligarquic collectivism, will can be open to challenge and scrutiny.

  7. Santoculto

    It’s your Achille’s heel.

  8. James Schipper

    Dear Robert

    When there is a food shortage in a country, whatever its causes, then the first thing that a government should do is to forbid the food exports. The Irish potato famine would not have been as bad if Ireland had not continued to be food exporter during the famine because the British government didn’t interfere with free trade.

    In the Soviet Union at the time, foreign trade was in the hands of government, so a prohibition of food exports was not necessary because the government could simply have stopped exporting food. However, If I’m not mistaken, the Soviet Union continued to export grain during the famine. If that is the case, then the Soviet government showed callous disregard for the victims of starvation.

    People all over the world like to exaggerate their own victimhood and the villainy of their enemies. Many Dutchmen become furious if you tell them that the Dutch population was adequately fed during the Occupation in WWII except during the hunger winter of 1944-45, which affected only the Western cities and was caused by the railroad strike. That strike was called in order to hinder German troop movements during Operation Market Garden.

    Regards. James

  9. Actually Pretty Funny

    Ukraine is the breadbasket of the Russian Empire, land there was more fertile and the population seemed sparsely populated enough to create a somewhat prosper agricultural society. Prosper here I mean not as starving as Russia.
    In Russia(European part) pop density was likely much more higher.
    So the Russians thought the Ukrainians kulaks(rich landowners) had to “contribute” to their industrialization, which the kulaks obviously disagreed. Being ruthless ethnic Slavs, they fought bitterly against Moscow, and lost.
    So Stalin had decided to deport and starve parts of them as a war strategy to reduce opposition.
    It should be noticed that in the eyes of Stalin and the Communists, Ukrainian “kulaks” were Russians too and thus needed to be loyal to the State(as property of the State), but in their own eyes, Ukrainian “kulaks” didn’t really consider themselves Russians(not the property), but Ukrainians. The Russians thought fellow Russians, the Ukrainians, had to contribute to the State or they would be repressed.
    The rationale is easy to understand: potential enemies had lesser to non-existant food ration. Let them catch rats and birds instead.
    For example if Robert Lindsay were the enemy of the State, Wal Mart shouldn’t sell him food. And if he tried to sneak in the Mall, they would just need to kick him out. He would die all by himself.
    But deportation to Kazakhstan was the favorite solution. Let the Ukrainian kulaks and the Muslims kill each other for the Soviet Union. And move in millions of Russians to Ukraine. They are all Slavic after all, people wouldn’t notice the difference.
    That’s why the Eastern Part of Ukraine, the area most heavily affected by Holomodor, in case the Holomodor exists, is now quite pro-Russian. Stalin sent them there.
    In Kazakhstan, former enemies of the State would then become shock troops of the State.
    It’s just like moving millions of illegal Mexicans to Detroit to pacify that place.
    So 10 miilion starved is plainly too much. The number deported must be higher than the number starved.
    Brits deported their undesired to Australia if I remember correctly.

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