Commenter Phil on Jewamongyou’s Site

Here.

Phil is a new commenter, a young Black male who has been talking to me about various issues around race, race realism and possible ways forward for the Black race, which we must acknowledge has some issues. Phil’s project is to try to come up with system(s) that will reduce pathology among the Black race.

You might want to head on over there and partake in the discussion.

 

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43 responses to “Commenter Phil on Jewamongyou’s Site

  1. Jason Y

    Why would somebody (non-white) want to be a race realist and bow down to the most tyrannical pigs you can think of? People that would just totally oppress your people in every way imaginable.

    Non-whites (and many whites too) have nothing gain from race realism, as all it would do is take away all their advantages, thier welfare, pity etc..

    • Jason Y

      When I say whites, I’m referring to whites who don’t benefit from social darwinism, the ones who aren’t any better off than non-whites.

    • See my comment in the other post.

    • Here we have a black man who is interested in race-realism. Are you trying to say he’s not equipped to judge things for himself? That you’re superior to him? You come across as patronizing and condescending. Phil doesn’t want to return to the standardized opinion plantation – and you can’t force him to.

    • Santoculto

      Realism, everyone have to gain, stop to say shit.

      Racial realism is # than white nationalism egolatry.

      • Santoculto

        Sorry, answer to Jay-son.

      • Jason Y

        No not everybody has stuff to gain, even if it’s “polite” white nationalism, not hillbilly chauvanism.

        A lot of people don’t fit into the mold of being perfect as white nationalism suggests, for instance, people who are mixed race, so called trans-humanism as you and other WNs say. They have nothing to gain, except being told they’re ugly. “Mocking crying face”😆

        • Jason Y

          All this anti-mixed race, homophobic, alpha male stuff, only makes the misfit become more angry and resentful, and want to give the middle finger to “conformists” more. Why should people be ashamed of who they are, especially if they were born with certain traits? Anyhow, isn’t white nationalism ranting on and on about how people (white people) should be proud of who they are?

        • Jason Y

          Usually when the bullied misfit is bulled he gets called “uptight” and a “wussy”😆 cause he won’t conform. Only cause he’s justly reacting to conformist bullshit. Who is the asshole here? The misfit or the confomist crowd?

      • Jason Y

        Yes, I knew a black guy who never spoke a word against the crowd back in my all white high school. Is that someone heroic? Always laughing with them, but when they were laughing at him, calling his the “n word” and whatnot, he would, like Martin Luther King, boldly ignore them. He had no pride in who he was, and would never stick up for who he was.

        Not saying Phil is like that guy, but only that, at the core, most WNs are not the friend of black people. Just like probably most hardcore nationalists of other races are not the friend of white people.

    • EPGAH

      Did you actually READ Robert’s blog, or just start commenting?
      “If Black people looked exactly like they do now but acted like Norwegians or Japanese people instead of how they do act, I do not think many people would hate them simply based upon the color of their skin or or the way they look.”
      We SHOULD take away the advantages of those that misbehave. If pity is their only advantage, then they’re more pathetic than even WE thought!

      When you say “People that would just totally oppress your people in every way imaginable.” that sounds like a ham-fisted attempt at Identity Politics, painting Blacks as “victims” again.

      Even Robert wants to make Welfare leeches WORK for it, “Pick Up A Broom” or something like that. BUT let’s say Welfare did get cut off for criminals. They would have to rely on friends and family for support, right?

      If their families are parasites like they are, they’d get zilch!
      If their families aren’t criminals, they’d assume the burden, and apply shame or other pressures to make them shape up.
      I really believe that the only reason this shit has gone on so long is that the COST of these shenanigans are borne by people outside “their community”. If it was borne by their community, they’d have POWERFUL incentive to whip these bastards into shape!

      BONUS: We’d finally have a study for whether *CRIMINALITY is heritable or not!*

      • Jason Y

        Ep-gah wants to get rid of all welfare, not just change it into a type that’s more geared toward “education” (vocational or academic) only. That’s not only bad for non-whites, but also for poor whites.

  2. Santoculto

    I no have any supposed (logically speaking, and not rationally…) personal advantage to defend eugenics or white nationalism. First, i’m not white, a off white who look turkish with beard. Second, i’m homossexual, i don’t need say more about it if ”homos” are treated as one of the principal enemies of WN’s. Third, i have a lot physiological abnormalities, include my brain (that produces my mind). The type of ”ubermeschen” that WN desire is not humanistic and/or wise. They look for Putin or Hitler as example.

    They are not entirely wrong because health based on logic thinking correlates with mental health. But when you look for some subgroup of leftists, maybe majority of left crowd you will see a lot of real morally correct people like vegans and real anti-racists. Unfortunately, they tend to become paralysed by their own judgment and they are completely blind about human behavior because they tend to idealize humanity. Humanistics tend to be naturally like that.

    Just with realism that we will start to predict injustices and race have greater importance about human reality, do you like or not.

    Many of popular theories in hbdsphere are far to be supremacist. Where is the supremacy to say that cold/harsh climates select for higher intelligence****

    Jay-son, you continue fight against the wave that is becoming more and more strong about a lot of things that leftism have lied.

    But seems impossible change your mind to the right path because you still believe that Cuba and other communist nations have produced better living standard than capitalistic nations. The simplistic/binary thinking, Cuba is good, USA is bad.

    Communist nations after wars, draconian laws against free speech and dialogue, and other very insane and evil stupidities, indeed had produced more equal distribution but with a psychopathic burguoise elites. And this distribution is not really good at point to give very good life standard to the population. I’m not talking about materialistic excesses. Communist nations always with elites are not real socialist nations.

    • Jason Y

      Well, as Santo-culto said, especially with regards to disability, we see he has nothing to gain from white nationalism, except the gas chamber. So why support it.

      Of course, white nationalism does make some points, points that you would probably hear in some Republican platform. You know like, “We need to get tough on welfare.”, or “An all black Wizard of Oz advertised on TV is cool, but not an all white anything. (which is assumed to be Nazi or KKK).”. Nonetheless, the harcore variety of WN doesn’t stand to benefit a lot of people,usually mifits, and they have no incentive to support it.

      All in all, WN is a bullying philosophy which gives the green light to bully the weak and//or odd.

      • Well aside from it being probably the largest collective idealogy addressing the decreasing white population due to displacement by immigrants of low status, acceptance of race realism (btw ben explained how even during that narrowing gap pre-60’s that test scores were still low), along with anti-white sentiments in the media in which you examples are only the tip of the fucking iceberg, yeah there is little to gain.

        I find it funny how you repeatedly hide behind the way a few act rather than the validity of the facts. Not only that, but you seem awfully quiet when Ben posts his info on the subject while you are quick to “call out” SC and EPAGH.

        • Jason Y

          Just because it appears at the moment the white population is shrinking, doesn’t validate the ideas of Hitler. Anyhow, I expect white nationalism to gain a lot of power. Of course, Trump is decliniing in the polls, but I think he will come back. I know for sure Europe will go to the far right, as Muslims keep pushing Europe into that situation.

          Of course though, some white nationalist regimes were more sane than others. You can’t really compare the Jim Crow South, especially after 1940, to Nazi Germany. I think the Jim Crow south and aparthied South Africa were fairly humane regimes (and did without all weird Norse mythology) compared to Hitler’s Germany.

        • Santoculto

          ”Just because it appears at the moment the white population is shrinking, doesn’t validate the ideas of Hitler. ”

          I agree.

          In the end, Hitler contribute a lot for the white decadence today.

          Anyone can see***

          Jewtard idiotic primitive ”peoplehood” agitates one each other. The war and confusion is your evolutivetard job.

        • Santoculto

          ”Just because it appears at the moment the white population is shrinking”
          😉

        • Santoculto

          POLITICALLY correctness was created exactly to divide whites. This idiotic materialistic with inborn brain injuries use superficial part of objective morality (”universal” morality) to divide the white sheeple.

    • Jason Y

      Communist nations after wars, draconian laws against free speech and dialogue, and other very insane and evil stupidities, indeed had produced more equal distribution but with a psychopathic burguoise elites. And this distribution is not really good at point to give very good life standard to the population. I’m not talking about materialistic excesses. Communist nations always with elites are not real socialist nations.

      This assessment of Communist nations ignores the fact Communist nations are blockaded from the West. The capitalist west doesn’t like them, so they won’t trade with them.

      • Santoculto

        But soviet union could live without the West for most of his years. There are no excuses for creativity and wisdom. Cuba for example has a great territory, good natural resources, not to mention they could manage population growth. There are so many things they could do. The only explanation for not doing is that the Communists are too stupid to think of it, very psychopathic to think about the well-being ‘of the people’ ‘, and scare away the most creative people (specially the PROBLEM-SOLVERS ones) when they take the power of a nation .

        Zbigniew Brzezinski is right in saying that communism eliminated the creative classes, via exile or extermination, the former Soviet Union.

  3. Jason Y

    Communist nations after wars, draconian laws against free speech and dialogue, and other very insane and evil stupidities, indeed had produced more equal distribution but with a psychopathic burguoise elites. And this distribution is not really good at point to give very good life standard to the population. I’m not talking about materialistic excesses. Communist nations always with elites are not real socialist nations.

    This assessment totally ignores the fact US companies and the Mafia took over most of Cuba. Given the abuse given to Cuba, wouldn’t this backlash have been inevitable?

    Also, the only reason the Cuban revolution did indeed win, was cause Russia came to their side.

    • Jason Y

      Also, I’m not conviced, and current right wing governments (El Salvador, India) etc.. back up my claim, that third world right wing governments will help the common people.

      Note, only after a Communist takeover did literacy go up in Cuba, and this literacy thing wasn’t a lie. For instance, even black gangsters and a large amount of the mentally retarded, can be taught to read. However, the Batista government of Cuba, wasn’t willing to even teach “basic reading” to lower class Cubans. How pathetic.🙄

      • Santoculto

        Cuba before Communism was already an exceptional country near the other Latin American nations and ‘coincidentally’ ‘was one of the whitest countries with a large population of European descent, mainly Spanish, a rich middle class and with a hectic cultural life .

        The Communists are pathetic people. Can not most them can be ” smarter ” in any measurable dimension. No use you be good with numbers and be a complete moron in everything else, especially in relation to wisdom, to have good judgment.

        Cuban education and health indicators were already very good well before Fidel Castro came to power.

        You have researched enough to be able to say this boy Jay or just caught biased sources **😉

  4. Jason Y

    Iv’e not seen from Robert’s posts, except for the ones on trans-humanism that he agrees with a lot of the things Ben Steigmann, santo-culto, or ep-gah say. He is an ardent supporter of a lot of third world communist regimes and he supports US welfare (with maybe a few modifications). He supports US welfare for everyone including blacks, though he’s believes modifications might be needed to adjust for the black people.

    • Santoculto

      Do you look like my idiot leftoid brother, boy Jay **

      It does not matter to have a rational thought if is devoid of instinct and emotion. Only emotion makes you hysterical. Just instinct makes you a psychopath. Only the rational makes you a prey. All of them together, it makes you a wise.

      One of the most striking features of the leftist mind is a complete blindness to the contradictions.

      How do you explain to me boy Jay, that feminist women want Muslim mass immigration to Europe if this will inevitably mean increased influence of this religion ** Remember boy Jay medieval Christianity and Islam are practically the same.

      People who dye their hair blue and speak of respect for individuality, are ardent supporters of immigration policy to the places where they live.

      ” I want freedom, but I’ll depredates her bringing people who do not want freedom you want, my freedom”

      I have hope that Robert will come to their senses and realize that his defense in relation to communist regimes is a complete nonsense, they are not humanists.

      I’m the real socialist because i understand what real socialism really is/look like and i know how identify fake ”socialist” regimes as North Korea and Bolivarian republik.

      • Jason Y

        You should listen to your brother. He sounds wise🙄 except when he might be speaking about immigration to the 1st world.

        Yes, I’m all for individuality, non-conformism and the like. However, immigration is a different matter. It’s just a matter of survival in that case. The 1st world cannot handle more people from the third world.

        So all in all, regimes in the 1st world should focus on keeping immigrants out, and besides that, mind thier own business. It shouldn’t tell people whom to marry (which race etc..), what sexual orientation to have, or promote anti-disabled legislation.

        When WNs start putting thier nose into personal matters, they become no different than the Islamists or Christian fundementalists.

        • Jason Y

          Because WNs put thier nose into personal matters, and have Hitler and the weird stuff that goes with him in thier history, I just really don’t trust them. It would boil down to a situation where either a world where the 1st world was overrun with immigrants, or one with a Hitler type regime would be equally bad and destructive.

          Of course though, a future WN regime, even one that isn’t so bad compared to alternatives, won’t be able to stop immigration without a lot of violence. No way.

  5. Jason Y

    Perhaps some populations don’t need Communism, due to genetic environmental superiority. However, a lot of backward, feudalistic nations do better under a Communist regime (who will gradually push them out of feudalism). So a lot of history is just a struggle between people who need help from the government, and those who don’t.

    Your typical right wing Latin American government, or the current Indian government, simply views a lot of the people as peasants. They have no interest in helping them, and the mechanism of society is fixed so the peasant cannot help himself.

    if anyone doesn’t agree the above statement is true, feel free to comment.🙄

    • Santoculto

      Your binary thinking is automatic as well as their propensity to post these children emoticons.

      First, it is important not to idealize ” poor ”. Idealizing is almost the same as for the good generalization. There is a good portion of poor people who are very bad. Teens poor and black are some of the most unpleasant things that can be found. They still manage to be worse than white teens, who averaged also not usually like wildflowers.

      The problem starts there, because people like Jay always begin and end their thoughts based on a completely binary, dichotomous approach. It is unable to understand the dynamics of abstract numerical quantities and their internally diverse natures. However much you explain, you will not be able to get to their level of understanding. It’s automatic.

      I agree that the right-wing governments in Latin America are similar to Indian governments, but this is not proof or refutation as the same inferiority of the communist governments. Communist governments always work the same way, first, the group’s leaders seek for popular support and when they take power, this camaraderie disappears and the ” socialist leaders ‘just do what the capitalist elites do, differentiate socially while’ ‘elites’.

      Capitalism sucks, but communism is much worse. And communism is not the true and supposedly utopian socialism.

      • Jason Y

        Robert :Lindsay would disagree about Communism, but he hasn’t wrote a post directly dealing with these attacks on Communism.

        No, I don’t think Communism is so great, or I’d move there myself. However, in the past, there wasn’t anyone with guts to challenge oppression except for Communists.

        As far as Cuba goes, your narrative reminds me of what I read in an “anti-Che Guevara” book I read a few years back. Is it true?

        I would say the truth would be in the middle, as it often is. True, a lot of the poor are scum, take African American hoodlums for instance. However, it is also true though that the government has made no effort to improve the environment, hence causing hoodlums to come about to being with.

        • Jason Y

          Is santo-culto willing to deny the USA owned a huge percentage of Cuba’s wealth? Is he denying the Italian Mafia didn’t build casinos while poor Cubans were starving? Who was willing to make a change in Cuba? Only the Communists. But of course, all wasn’t totally bad in Cuba. As I said, the truth would be in the middle. Nonetheless, there must have been some jaw dropping poverty.

        • Jason Y

          Of course, also we should remember, if Cuba was so “great” as santo-culto says, there wouldn’t have been a revolution. It wouldn’t have gotten public support either. In fact the public support was so high that the “Bay of Pigs” invasion was a total failure.

          Later, many Cubans grew weary with the Castro regime, but it wasn’t the case after he took power. Also is the same in Venezuela with Chavez. Chavez had mass support among lower classes, but obviously as we would expect, richer people did not like him. However, the middle and upper class aren’t the majority in Venezuela.

        • Almost all of the arguments against Cuba are flat out lies. It is true that the regime is a dictatorship and I am not wild about such a system. Also the economic system does not work very well, is inefficient and produces only a relatively low standard of living.

          But most socialists tend to defend Cuba and the USSR despite the fact that they may have some differences with them. It is a no enemies to the Left thing.

        • Commie, popular or Left revolutions never happen in countries where the social indicators are good. They only happen in rightwing shitholes with lousy social indicators.

      • Jason Y

        I once watched this movie with Patrick Swayze where some westerners tried to build a hospital in India to help the poor, and the high caste Indians burnt it down. So this would summarize, somewhat, the attitude of a right wing state toward the poor within thier own borders.

  6. Jason Y

    quote by santo-culto

    irst, it is important not to idealize ” poor ”. Idealizing is almost the same as for the good generalization. There is a good portion of poor people who are very bad. Teens poor and black are some of the most unpleasant things that can be found. They still manage to be worse than white teens, who averaged also not usually like wildflowers.

    Again look at the environment. No shit. Really? Yeah, of course white teens raised in comfortable neighborhoods are going to be nicer people.

    Take your nation, for example. All those black people trapped in the poor environment of Rio slums are bad, of course. What else would you expect?

  7. Harjit

    Phil seems like an thoughtful young man and, on one hand, it is commendable that he is putting his head to work regarding the choices black people can make to advance themselves.

    On the other hand, I wonder if it is something healthy for a high-school kid to be engaging in.

    My ethnicity is Indian (Hindu). I have some race-realist thoughts. I don’t obsess on these thoughts. While I accept that my ethnic kin has numerous shortcomings, and am frequently vocally critical of such, I don’t collectively hate them for it. I have no animus toward any individual based only on his race. That would be unthinkable to me.

    At some level I always believed there was a biological basis to group differences. (For example I remember thinking as a kid, upon learning that Australia was populated by convicts, that white people inevitably build prosperous stable nations even when they come from the criminal dregs.) However I was in my 40s when I started playing on the interwebs on this subject, debating with WNs etc, and that is when these thoughts became more explicit and formalized in my head. At that late stage of life you can handle such things without getting messed up.

    But Phil is a freakin’ teenager! He is already going through a pretty tumultuous phase of adjustment. To add to that a regular (although I assume not constant) focus on the biological deficiencies of his group and ways to minimize their negative effects sounds like it could be devastating.

    It’s the little moments of self-doubt in day-to-day life, the little everyday failures, that add up to have a deleterious effect on people. For example, some day Phil is sitting in a university physics class. Other people seem to be understanding the lecture but it’s completely going over his head. (We’ve ALL experienced the despair of this, regardless of our race). What if he starts thinking “Maybe I’m not getting it because I’m not genetically equipped to understand such a hard scientific topic.”

    I am not saying that ignorance is preferable. However another option is to just accept the statistical facts as being, well, statistics, and move on. Just be an American kid, having fun, and constantly striving to advance as an individual. You’ll be a great model for some subset of black people to emulate, and for some subset of white people to respect and erode a few prejudices. Too much focus on depressing topics, especially on the internet, can run counter to those values of personal advancement and enjoyment of life.

    At the end of the day Phil of course knows his own situation better than I ever could. I’m just giving him some food for thought.

    • Hello, and THANK YOU for your thoughts.

      As far as racial deficiencies goes the only things that’s really occurring is paying attention when a teacher DRAGS ON or when the teaching is primarily audible. Otherwise, I’m pretty good in terms of understanding subjects.

      As far as DOING ASSIGNMENTS, I admit I’m somewhat idle but it has become worst because now I’m doing research WHILE I’m in class, mainly of African ethnography to learn about traits of Black picked up by European explorers.

      Overall, it’s often depressing but to be honest I feel that I must go on because A. too few Black actually research HBD, though many blacks I think actually DO believe in racial difference based on perception.
      B. While there do exists blacks who are indeed aware and capable, many don’t want to waste there time with those who will honestly not improve or overall cooperate.

      My idea is based around for US to understand US because no one else will tolerate our actions until we get it. I don’t believe that, for example, that I will help everyone but just the ones that can cooperate, though I won’t interfere with those who don’t to harm them.

      I guess my logic is eugenic but really it’s indirectly because I’m not looking for a specific quality, just the ability one way or another to improve.

      What I’m actually expecting? Well I’m prepared for the worst to be honest, though I’m think of a path and a system to track down candidates rather than stumbling around until I meet up with gang members.

    • “I am not saying that ignorance is preferable. However another option is to just accept the statistical facts as being, well, statistics, and move on. Just be an American kid, having fun, and constantly striving to advance as an individual. You’ll be a great model for some subset of black people to emulate, and for some subset of white people to respect and erode a few prejudices. Too much focus on depressing topics, especially on the internet, can run counter to those values of personal advancement and enjoyment of life.”

      I honestly try to do this often, not to ignore it, but really because I can’t do anything grand except plan things. I could just “PREACH” with videos and stuff but really I’m just going to build a reputation as a Uncle Tom. I have a friend who told me of a very similar case with another Black.

      Until then, all I can do is make a strategy, but I may spend some time dong some practice in community work.

      At the end of the day Phil of course knows his own situation better than I ever could. I’m just giving him some food for thought.

  8. Hello, and THANK YOU for your thoughts.
    You are welcome. Thanks for taking my comments as constructive, which is my intent.

    >
    As far as racial deficiencies goes the only things that’s really occurring is paying attention when a teacher DRAGS ON or when the teaching is primarily audible. Otherwise, I’m pretty good in terms of understanding subjects.
    <<
    I wasn’t suggesting your comprehension skills are poor.

    What I meant is this: Everyone sometimes has difficulty understanding difficult topics. Maybe you haven’t experienced it, but your time will come. So my concern was that you might get discouraged and think it is your racial destiny, because of all the time you spend marinating your mind in these HBD topics.

    >
    As far as DOING ASSIGNMENTS, I admit I’m somewhat idle but it has become worst because now I’m doing research WHILE I’m in class, mainly of African ethnography to learn about traits of Black picked up by European explorers.
    <<
    Well, this is an example of what I was worried about… not doing your schoolwork because you are focused on these race/ethnicity topics.

    >
    My idea is based around for US to understand US because no one else will tolerate our actions until we get it.
    <<
    I agree this makes sense.

    >
    What I’m actually expecting? Well I’m prepared for the worst to be honest, though I’m think of a path and a system to track down candidates rather than stumbling around until I meet up with gang members.
    <<
    Not sure what you mean here…

    >
    Until then, all I can do is make a strategy, but I may spend some time dong some practice in community work.
    <<
    It will be a very tough sell indeed, you probably won’t last long doing any kind of work with black people in a formal capacity and bringing up these topics of biological differences.

    I’d suggest going about it in a low key way, somehow influencing black people to make rational healthy choices while keeping those race realist ideas under wraps.

    • By “candidates”, I mean that rather than just running around trying to find people at need at random, it would be more efficient to figure out methods on how to indicate when and where these types of people can be.

      I’ve read a story about a guy who tried to help his community, but he was pounced by people stealing from a rundown house he was trying to fix. A fraternity brother of my father met the same fate when a groups of thugs sent him to the hospital when he was trying to help others find jobs. Please, don’t think I’m making assumptions, I’m just being wary of real possibilities. Also, I’m not particularly “picky” either as far as education, personality, age, gender, or whatever. All I’m looking for is some form of cooperation.

      As far as assignments go I only push them back, of course I just don’t forget to do them, but I would be lying if it hasn’t been obstructive. However, I came to some rather nice conclusions so I’m probably going to ease off for a while.

      Low key, exactly how I’ve been thinking. As far as HBD concerns blacks, as they really need is cooperation. I mean sure, achievement plays in racial status, but really it’s whatever effect attitude that people dislike that what hurts them the most as opposed to their ability to get into high professions, which isn’t even that bad but it harder in competition with other races.

      That’s ALL I’m looking for, aside from some stability traits.

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