Anatoly Karlin Discusses the Alternative Left

Here.

At the UNZ Review. There were also some good comments in the comments section. Here are some that I liked:

There are millions of us “Alt Leftists” out there…we’re the Democrat-voting union tradesmen who also belong to the NRA…

…Yep, I believe in socialism but only for fellow countrymen / citizens. Shooting a few billionaires doesn’t mean I have to pretend to believe that women are as strong as men, or that rappers are just as worthwhile as Beethoven…

…I agree with you! In my head, left-wing means tough bolshie miners and union shop stewards from the working class. These bourgeois bullshitters from universities going on about transgender rights or whatever are NOT LEFT WING!…

…Robert Lindsay’s views sound a lot like mine: left-wing on economics and negotiable on social issues. I am also pretty close to being an isolationist on foreign policy.

Any other takers out there?…

I like it! I like it!

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195 responses to “Anatoly Karlin Discusses the Alternative Left

  1. Santoculto

    Jeez…

    people need or should keep in mind that transgender and quasi-all ”sacred coow” of post-modernitet NO HAVE direct guilty about what is happening. Usefull idiot, someone who are very naive and stupid and is placed in the power.

    Short memory about supposed fabulous conservatoid ”past”, we go remember:

    women were pet (i hate compare humans with non-human animals, whatever),
    sex was just for procreate,
    religion was dominant ( in other words, a scientific fiction book was responsible for create laws… in-sane),
    euphemism was just a greek-roman- derived word,

    Trans are little minority, less than 2% ** less than 1% **

    0,3% of population ** Even less**

    You guys like to have sex** Is a physiological necessity for you is not **

    Is a necessity for trans-people feel as if were a opposite sex.

    Take in your hands a beautiful woman to love/FUCK (better and realistic word). Imagine if idiotic bastard resolve determine that sex is a bad thing like in 1984 romance** Even heterossexual sex.

    EMPATHY, is not just put yourself in the place of other, but trying understand as if you were the other.

    Master minds continue enjoin…

    Rossya is a european India, a country ”who kill” millions and millions of your inhabitants don’t deserve any respect, in reality, no nation deserve, but Rossya still be worst.

    • Jason Y

      There are some LGBT posters at my university, but I think that stuff is usually ignored, except by some right wing assholes who glare at gay people (or people who seem gay), and try to accuse unpopular students of being gay. Myself being one, of course.🙄

    • Jason Y

      My guess is that LGBT group is full of anger, mostly cause of bullying in grade school. So at university the go all out and give the middle finger by being as open as possible. Actually I can understand why they’re so angry.

      Nonetheless, by making the LGBT the “minority in charge”, it alienates the social conservatives who then feel like they’re bullied (HA what a joke :lol:) and so they pick on unpopular kids at university, of course, being justified as the “bully” is now the “bullied” etc..🙄 The anti-LGBT homophobe is the rebel on Star Wars fighting the evil LGBT empire 🙄

      • Jason Y

        Same goes with blacks and everybody else. Now it’s the rebel on campus who is the socially conservative jerk. Now the Republican is the victim🙄 so we all need to shed tears for the douchebag.😆

        • EPGAH

          Conservatives don’t want freedom to bully, but we don’t want to BE bullied with impunity.
          Who is protected by Hate Speech/Hate Crime laws…and who is unprotected?

          Basically, we’re getting bent over the table, rammed nonstop — not only expected to “Thank You, May I Have Another?” but to PAY for it — and these fuckers have the nerve to say shit to us?!

        • EPAGH, I see you have an Afrocentrist on your hands, I’ll take care of him.

      • Santoculto

        It’s not just primitive bullying, remember, in the past, all society blame you for being born like this or like that.

        • Santoculto

          Exactly, today conservs become the ”’nonconformists” BUT they are conformist par excellence!!! Even when oligo-colectivist sycho elites take the power of a certain nation, most of conservs continue serving the system, they are truly domesticated.

          Leftoids on average are just ignorant with good intentions or in other words a zombie who think need to supress FREE speech because human nature is typically conservatoid and primitive. They are just partially correct.

          MacDonald talk about ”culture of critique” made by jewish marxism, BUT conservs have a millennia of culture of critique via shitianism or any other magical crap.

          ”please ”leaders”, leave us continue treating other people super bad, please, i want free speech to say homos have aids, blacks are like donkeys and god is great!!! It’s not fair.”

          WN conservs are proud about industrial revolution that expelled most of white british on countryside and make them work as slaves to enrich very few people. ”BUT” ”white race” was pioneer, it’s a pride!!!😦

        • Jason Y

          What do you mean? Please expain in more detail. Also, I’m not gay, maybe just nerdy or dorky sometimes.

        • Jason Y

          The problem with free speech is nobody really has it, even in a conservative society. Even in the 50s, nobody was going to call you a name if they though you could kick thier ass.😆 Think about it.

          Basically what these conservatives want, is the freedom to bully, cause they can direct insults and whatnot toward the weak, knowing nothing will happen.🙄

        • Jason Y

          With my freedom of speech, maybe I can just go to motorcycle gang, slit thier tires, give them the middle finger, and call them nasty names. Hey, I can say what I want.😆 I’m FREE EEEE !!!

        • Santoculto

          What you don’t understand*

        • Jason Y

          I don’t understand

          QUOTE “t’s not just primitive bullying, remember, in the past, all society blame you for being born like this or like that.”

        • Santoculto

          QUOTE “t’s not just primitive bullying, remember, in the past, all society blame you for being born like this or like that.”

          Wasn’t **

          ”In the past”, if you born schizo or just different but irreconcilable with the gently totalitarian dictates of artificial life within the human social fabric, people would accuse him of being so.

          ” Stop hearing voices that do not exist ”

          ” Stop being attracted to men, you’re guilty of it ”

          ” Look at this retard with down syndrome ”

          Subhumans are naturally sadistic, not to be confused with sadomasochism.

        • Batterytrain

          So your admitting Whites are sub-human? Because sadism was actually coined after a French noble who was a pedophile and a sexual sadist that spurred the French revolution! Thanks for admitting that Whites are sub-humans, since they pioneered sexual sadism and incest!

        • EPGAH

          Wow, way to cherry-pick, Batterytrain.
          Whites also created almost ALL of what we consider “civilization” nowadays, INCLUDING that computer you’re trolling on.

          I sure wish you’d get off of that computer. White people developed that. And that electricity you’re using, stop using it. White people developed its use.

          Do you drive to work in a car, take the bus or ride a bike? I hope not. And, next time you or a family member think of going to the hospital for an x-ray, or an MRI, or ask for some medicine, please don’t. I would hate to see your life depend on some “subhuman” whites!

          And what about the Aztec/Inca/Maya? Weren’t they sadistic, a literal empire of blood, even before De Sade?

        • Batterytrain

          uuuuuum no! Someone here seems to be a complete ignoramus and tool when it comes to reality! Now let’s look at reality!

          White Europeans are actually new to the civilization game; Whites did not have an actual civilization until and after the AD period, White Europeans did not have a system of literacy and never invented their own alphabet system until the advent of christanity in Europe. Whites or what would become White Europeans were Eurasian horse nomads who wandered around Central Asia and Siberia with no settled civilizations or organized city states with no literacy system or system of civilization/math/science/ etc etc.

          Nearly every single fucking thing Whites purportedly invented was already thought of by non-whites before, white simply re-packaged them as White inventions and white concepts without giving credit to the non-whites. This went on for several hundred years and it even involved ideas like Black hole theory. Those inventions you listed were likely actually come up with and created by non-whites in the auspices and authority of laboratories/institutions/workshops run by whites, where they took credit for the inventions and works of non-whites simply because they were non-white. And there is documented evidence of this as well as Whites stealing ideas and never giving credit! Even the concept of a nuke was come up by non-white people and the concept of a car was thought of by a guy who was half black!

          Whites didn’t build shit, they were illiterate horse nomads who didn’t have their own writing system, didn’t have flush toilets or plumbing, didn’t practice proper hygiene, never built anything of significance until after the AD period, didn’t have any real culture, didn’t discover metallurgy, didn’t farm shit, didn’t have any art, didn’t have any architecture, didn’t have running water, didn’t have any science or philosophy, didn’t have any engineering or impressive technology, didn’t domesticate any novel crops or plants, didn’t invent laws, didn’t have real civilization or what we know as civilization,, didn’t build anything other then mud huts, fucked their cousins in caves, and didn’t have anything valuable that the civilized world needed.

          So to say that you invented the modern world is something I would expect from a dumbass white moron like yourself.

        • To BT, Horse Nomads.

          Uuuummm…..Blacks weren’t known until medieval times to use cavalry and didn’t have Horses, so wouldn’t that suggest Whites domesticated what is arguably an efficient beast of labor?

          Funny, Horses are also associated with the wheel.

        • Batterytrain

          I wouldn’t say horses are the best beast of labor lol! You are simply swallowing the white nationalist kool-aid so I can’t help you! What I’m concerned about is reality! Reality is that everything that I’ve said in my last post IS ACTUALLY 100% TRUE AND BASED ON REAL FACTS AND REALITY!

          I don’t care what you think things are based on YOUR experiences and WHAT YOU THINK THINGS SHOULD BE! I simply care about the FACTS! Fact of the matter is that everything that I’ve said there is pretty much true! It’s in the books! It doesn’t matter what you THINK or WHAT IS SOMETHING REALLY IS, WHAT MATTERS AGAIN IS THE FACTS INDEPENDENT OF PEOPLE”S OPINIONS!

          Also no the horse is definitely not the most important or the most impressive of the domesticated animals, in my opinion it’s the elephant which was not domesticated by Whites! It was domesticated by people with dark skin! And even then domesticating animals is not even that impressive considering that everyone at that time was domesticating as many things as they could!

          Also the wheel was not singularly invented by Whites, this is a complete and utter lie, many cultures INDEPENDENTLY came up with the invention of the wheel and used it to BUILD CIVILIZATIONS! Whites at the time didn’t have literacy OR CIVILIZATION! They might have used the wheel because of the environment but that’s it! And those two things far outweigh the domestication of a single animal which became useless after technology improved!

        • Lets see the fallacies in your post BT

          You keep on saying it’s in the books without actually giving resources, something you’ve let to have done but many of who you can “WNs” Have actually done

          You make statements on Black achievement but make no citations or links to confirm them.

          The wheel definitely WASN’T independently made outside of Caucasian areas EXCEPT by Mesoamericans but it was used for toys. Even then it wouldn’t add up to “many” as you claim.

          Domestication of a SINGLE animal? Ever heard of the descendant of the EUROPEAN gray wolf called Canis Familiaris (Common Dog)? plus I never said it was the most efficient but efficient as well. Also it has been ALONG time since Horse became “useless”. What do you think was used before the CAR? (But what’s the pint, you claim a Mulatto came up with the idea.)

          The bright side though, I’m just going to stop because I no your type so I have an idea of how persistent your stupidity will make you. BTW I’m not someone who easily dives into the words of “WN’s”, I dislike much of their comments towards Non-whites, but regardless there are some things that ring true but are only dangerous in conversation that is heated and is used as a weapon (btw, you would be the fire starter in this case).

          I’m a Black who actually studies African History and while I’m aware of a collection of developments it’s people like you that gives it lack of credibility, hurting the cause that your type claim to support.

          Robert, The owner of this blog, would never let someone like you make articles but I actually made one on the Igbo that impressed him. Look it up and you’ll see my views on people like you who are honestly an embarrassment in general, let alone a academic one in the field of History.

          Insanity- the literal definition being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, so one wouldn’t speculate too much (if at all) of the current state of Afrocentrists like you getting little “recogniton”.

          But hey, for all you know I’ve been lying and I fear your knowledge that would embarrass the great white man who has fooled all of the world, so carry on in your little rants.

          My friend EPAGH definitely has the energy to back hand your sorry white hating comments, an attribute I lack.

        • EPGAH

          If the elephants are so important, why are they nearly extinct now? Shouldn’t savages — being so far ahead of whites, of course — have created a husbandry/breeding program to make more, at least to have more ivory to poach, not to save the creatures from extinction, which seems to be solely the whites’ worry?

          Where is all your “documented evidence”? We have diaries of Arab and white explorers alike showing how barbaric and backwards the Africans were, are we supposed to take YOUR word over theirs?
          Let’s start with Livingstone?
          http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dr-livingstone-s-lost-1871-massacre-218211
          Savage slave-traders massacre 400 people. This means the Africans were savages who believed in slavery and killing, whites did not IMPOSE it upon them!

          NOW, where’s your proof? Where’s your citations?

          As to your own writing system, whites DID develop our own, THEN adopted part of the Arabic that was forcibly imposed upon us — and kept the best part even after we booted them out.
          Africa never developed their OWN written language system, always “borrowing” from the Civilized World or the Moslems. Why is that?

          When do you think savages invented computers? This ought to be one for the books!

        • Santoculto

          Battertrain,
          Accuse just regular whites to be sadic on average is a enormous injustice.

  2. Jason Y

    The view makes sense. Obviously socialism won’t work if millions of Latinos keep coming in. There is only enough for US citizens. However, a lot of the government programs need to be improved. More emphasis should be made on training people to be self reliant, rather than lifelong takers of free food, housing etc..

    • Jason Y

      For instance, free college and vocation education, assuming that the taker will major in something useful (with a lot in-demand jobs) is a great idea, but keeping “lifelong human pets” in government housing is not.

    • Santoculto

      ”Socialismus” is being financed by oligo-westrash ”elites, why******

      • Jason Y

        I don’t know why that’s the case (financing by the elite class). But socialism for US citizens only is a good idea.

        Note originally socialism was a way to buy off the working class. It was an elite scheme to deter a communist takeover. That’s why you had the “Great Society” in the US and the “Welfare State” in the UK.

        • Santoculto

          They use boutique socialism to slave people in a long term with miscigenation, homossexuality popularization to destroy definitively the idea that just sex is fundamental to procreation, because they want create humans in laboratory, in other words, a super power about people, super control, like in Brave New World.

          Have virtually none of people in the power and by left wing who are truly socialists.

        • EPGAH

          How much do you think we have to give to violent losers before they’ll magically turn peaceful? Round your answer to the nearest TRILLION, please?

  3. Jason Y

    Always note a right wing tyranny is just as bad as a left wing one. Christians, white nationalists are pushing an agenda, and the result, assuming it ever came to pass, and with millions of Latinos coming in🙄 it probably won’t, would be terrible.

    For instance, we’ve already seen in the Middle east (Taliban, Saudi) how unreasonable anti-gay cultures are. We also saw how close minded the Nazi regime was with all it’s ridiculous emphasis on racism, confomity, war, and book burning.

    • EPGAH

      I see white nationalism as better than the transformation into a second Mexico.

      Calling the Moslem Cult bad for their treatment of queers is like calling an 80s supervillain a litterbug. Or putting out a warrant for someone for murder, arson, and JAYWALKING! Might be true, but there’s a lot worse things you can call them on!

      And Nazism was far-left, because they did not believe in the individual, obviously, but look at what they accomplished: Getting out of debt WITHOUT hyperinflation, an ordered crime-free society, low unemployment, and taking care of THEIR OWN, without becoming a Humane Society for the rest of the world.
      If you were German, rich or poor, it was an industrialized paradise.
      If you were not, you were the enemy, and they not only wouldn’t help you, but had a good chance to hurt you.

  4. Jason Y

    They use boutique socialism to slave people in a long term with miscigenation, homossexuality popularization to destroy definitively the idea that just sex is fundamental to procreation, because they want create humans in laboratory, in other words, a super power about people, super control, like in Brave New World.

    Have virtually none of people in the power and by left wing who are truly socialists.

    What’s wrong with miscigenation? I’d be more scared of incest. Anyhow who is race mixing but some black guys who like fat girls? I mean really😆 Different tribes have bred together since the start of time.

    So you say this is some conspiracy? Everybody I know pretty much dates other white people. Whites are dating whites. The actual problem is the fact that Latinos are over-running the US in number, not race mixing.

    Most of the race-mixing stuff is just an excuse by racists (sorry to use cliche word) to bully mixed race kids, to say their is something ugly or wrong with them.

    • Jason Y

      Yeah, white people pretty much are preserving thier heritage, as they always have. I’d say at least 90 to 95 percent of my classmates date or have married other white people.

      They date other white people cause generally, and though this may seem wrong to liberals, people of the same ethnic group generally hang out among themseves.

    • Santoculto

      but generally mixed race people tend to less beautifull than whites, specially norses.

      Mixed race and with people with very different phenotypes tend to produce greater disparity even at individual level. You are mingle discrepant traits. It’s logic.

      Miscigenation destroy historical human biodiversity specially among recessive phenotypes. Miscigenation is not a evolution if compared with racial decantation.

      Kindness seems to be very recessive and miscigenation also produce greater cognitive and social disparity.

      There are a clear program to change radically the world, a transhumanism.

      • Jason Y

        but generally mixed race people tend to less beautifull than whites, specially norses.

        No, that’s just your opinon. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

        Mixed race and with people with very different phenotypes tend to produce greater disparity even at individual level. You are mingle discrepant traits. It’s logic.

        No

        Kindness seems to be very recessive and miscigenation also produce greater cognitive and social disparity.

        No, kindness might be affected by low IQ, but not race mixing per se (whatever that means). People with a lower IQ tend to see things more as 10 year olds, than some college professor.

        • Jason Y

          Actually if you mix black with white your getting smarter blacks. How can that be bad? If no race mixing ever took place, blacks would be heavily disadvantaged in the USA. They’d all have the IQ of someone with Down’s syndrome.

        • Jason Y

          Blacks with incredibly low IQs might be easier to manage as they’d be imbeceles. They wouldn’t be violent as blacks in the 80 to 90 range. But society would have to totally take care of them, just as someone with Down’s syndrome.

          See when blacks were slaves, their IQ was literally around 60 or 70. In that case, slavery was more like being children than being slaves. They were children of the white master, so to speak.

        • Jason Y

          The real genetic danger is always incest, cause it increases the chances of birth defects. Race mixing is the total opposite giving fresh genes into the gene pool.

        • Santoculto

          Jason,
          Northern whites specially gracile Nordic look like cats, palette of eyes and hair colors, white skin and little noses. Cats are beautiful.

          Beauty have evolutionary value but little in moral terms. One of the most gentle people are not beautiful and at lot of assholes are above in physical attractiveness.

          I agree too that beauty is relative because personal, emotional reasons but not by logical reasons.

          Human mindset was shaped to like novelty, and whites have a packet of novel traits.

          “No” is just your personal direct opinion/ feeling. Elaborate and you will have an argument.

          Mixed race you agree or not produce higher disparity and don’t look so better to increase kindness. Japaneses who are a decanted race look superficially gentle in times of peace than almost mixed race people. Samoans and other look good behavior too.

        • Santoculto

          Correcting

          In NO mixed race nations… blablablabla

        • Batterytrain

          Cats carry brain parasites that damage human thinking though! Thank you for admitting whites are diseased and genetically inferior though!

        • Batterytrain

          uh Japanese look like aliens and are not racially pure, and neither are whites! Nearly all Whites are 1 3rd black/2 3rd white!

          Whites are not advanced at all, all the evidence says they are genetically inferior and dead-ends. Whites are simply good at lying and packaging things that make them look good on paper and that’s it! Whites are actually the real barbaric stale primitive backwards race!

        • EPGAH

          Batterytrain, If we’re so substandard, why are all the savages coming to OUR countries? Don’t they all claim something like “Better Life”? If you look up synonyms for “Better”, #13 is SUPERIOR, so the savages are admitting whites are superior, if moving to our countries allow a BETTER LIFE they can’t get in their own countries!

          I will completely recant everything I said and declare you correct, IF you can show me any time or place whites sought refuge in nonwhite COUNTRIES — not blank land where we kicked the savages aside, I mean COUNTRIES granting refuge and Welfare to whites.

        • Santoculto

          ”uh Japanese look like aliens and are not racially pure, and neither are whites! Nearly all Whites are 1 3rd black/2 3rd white!

          Whites are not advanced at all, all the evidence says they are genetically inferior and dead-ends. Whites are simply good at lying and packaging things that make them look good on paper and that’s it! Whites are actually the real barbaric stale primitive backwards race!”

          WHITES AAAAAAAAAAAARE SADIC, period
          (every whait on earth is sadic…)

          BUT

          YOU CAN TO SAY

          JAPANESES LOOK LIKE ALIENS
          WHITES ARE GENETICALLY INFERIOR AND DEAD ENDS,

          Well, at least japs look like a superb technological advanced races while blacks ”looks like” primitive human versions,😉

          human beings of future should look like aliens too😉

          other afrocentrist here***

        • Santoculto

          ”Cats carry brain parasites that damage human thinking though! Thank you for admitting whites are diseased and genetically inferior though!”

          other gulliver,

          thanks god!!!

          cats are beautifull and gracious creature, just inferior ones who can blame it… ”negroes ancient egiptians” knew that a lot…

          all animals carry ”brain parasites” or a population of microrganisms, humans include, just dirty people, those who spray ebola for example, who can take parasite from animals because they no have any hygiene sense/ basic pattern recognition capacity.

          Whites AS WELL ANY OTHER COLLECTIVITY are NOT genetically inferior but they are, no doubt about it, MORALLY inferior, ALL OF THE COLLECTIVITIES, include OF COURSE precious blacks.

      • Jason Y

        Miscigenation is not a evolution if compared with racial decantation.

        It IS evolution if it’s making lower IQ races smarter.

        • EPGAH

          But it’s also either getting rid of whites or at best making really stupid ones.
          Think of it this way: A mulatto is dumber than white, but smarter than Black. Does that count as “making lower IQ races smarter” or making higher IQ races dumber? Think about it, isn’t the mulatto basically a white with Down’s syndrome?

          Why are the mulattos the ones that can successfully overthrow white countries, but can’t RUN it once they overthrow it?
          From Haiti to South Africa…Look it up!

        • EPGAH

          Whites simply cherish their children more, are more responsible towards their children and invest in their children’s futures, while other groups in mass opt for using their children as an ATM CARD to get money out of their betters.

        • Santoculto

          In any mixed race nation happen real eugenic selective pressures. In part, this explain why mixed race white/black people look worst. Leave prole whites procreate and you will have irish travellers. Race is a factor of course but is far to be the only one.

        • Santoculto

          Jeezzzz

          ((((((Correcting

          In NO mixed race nations… blablablabla))))))
          🙂

        • To EPAGH.

          Technically a Mulatto wouldn’t actually have down syndrome, just with an IQ likely to be in the 80’s.

        • EPGAH

          Phil: I was using his own earlier words against him.

        • To EPAGH
          No troubles.

      • Batterytrain

        Then how come there are pure blacks with straight noses? How come there are non-whites with straight noses? How come there are pure whites w/ flat noses?? Many nordids with flat noses in northern europe…

        You are sprouting bullshit pseudo-science…..

        • What “Pure” Blacks with straight noses?

        • Santoculto

          ”Then how come there are pure blacks with straight noses? How come there are non-whites with straight noses? How come there are pure whites w/ flat noses?? Many nordids with flat noses in northern europe…

          You are sprouting bullshit pseudo-science…..”

          Jeez…

          OF COURSE there are nordiC with flat noses, NORDID or gracile northern european who have straight and many times little noses.

          ”You are sprouting bullshit pseudo-science…..”

          thank you Jesus!!! you’re a nice god!!!😦

        • The only blacks with straight noses that I know of are in the Sahel, Northwest and Southeast and trust me they aren’t “pure”.

  5. Jason Y

    Quote by santo-culto

    ”In the past”, if you born schizo or just different but irreconcilable with the gently totalitarian dictates of artificial life within the human social fabric, people would accuse him of being so.

    ” Stop hearing voices that do not exist ”

    ” Stop being attracted to men, you’re guilty of it ”

    ” Look at this retard with down syndrome ”

    Subhumans are naturally sadistic, not to be confused with sadomasochism.

    Yeah, that’ show 10 year olds react to those who are different.

    That’s why I said that white nationalists, asian nationalists are cruel people. They’re monkeys.

    • Jason Y

      Also a lot of blacks and Latinos are the same. Due to a low IQ, they have the morality of 10 year olds, saying stuff liberals would never dream of saying.🙄

      Of course, though you can’t insult blacks or latinos, Gosh no.🙄 Don’t call them stupid or anything.

      • Santoculto

        Mental age is not exactly interchangeable with “IQ” but fundamentally with mental maturity or character. Most of human beings have mental age among 15 year old. People with lower global intelligence tend to have a child mentality.

        • Jason Y

          And so do mean little adult white nationalists🙄 who mock people in wheelchairs. You naughty boys, you.🙄

        • Jason Y

          15 is a a pretty dangerous age. That doesn’t look good for the future of mankind. Anyhow, I would say the IQ of black slaves was a mental age of 10 or so. That’s why it was easy to justify negro slavery.

          Also, considering they were only 10 in mental age, that would explain the rage, apart from humilation, of allowing former slaves to vote.

        • Santoculto

          Jason use 😅 and call other as imature. He just imitates your fathers during childhood 😇

        • EPGAH

          Having your property vote against you is normal to you? To me, it sounds like something in one of the Terminator movies!

          Well, when their opinions and voting habits result in me getting my resources stolen under threat of violence, they may as well have stolen it from me themselves as far as I’m concerned…
          If your hands are in my wallet, you have my full attention and my enmity!

      • EPGAH

        Is or is not Political Correctness a setup where Liberal wimps can insult anyone they want, but cannot be insulted back without Government punishment? A 5-year-old’s dreamworld, if you will?

        • Jason Y

          Why not use government punishment sometime? Hey is somebody’s glaring at me every other day (or viscously mocking me), all I can do is be a nark. You can’t beat up anyone nowadays without going to prison, getting kicked out of school, or losing your job.

          Now on the other hand, if a woman narks on me for false sexual harassment accusations, then, yes, that can be a bad situation. But then again, I can nark on her for just “in general” harassment. They have to treat men the same as the women.

        • EPGAH

          Do you have any evidence of “narcing” on women? Also, there’s a certain bias there: If a woman makes an accusation, however spurious, it’s treated as Gospel. There are literally court cases of whores claiming sexual herassment or rape!

          But a man claiming rape, sexual herassment, or that the charges against him are FAKE, is ignored.
          Remember the “Mattress Girl” incident”?
          Tawana Brawly?
          Duke Lacrosse kids?
          That taxi driver in Canada, whose accuser was willing to call him a “rapist” just because he wouldn’t give her a free ride? Luckily, he had wired his cab for sound to catch an earlier thief, so he had proof, but if not, her word would’ve Trumped his easily!

    • Jason Y

      I don’t even think 10 year olds are totally cruel, many of them are kind. But a great lot of them deserve hell. That’s why I find this “Save the Children” and “Love the children” stuff ridiculous. You see on Facebook, parents are always praising the little monsters. 🙄

      • EPGAH

        Yes, but a FEW monsters can be kept under control, a huge litter, you just pretend you don’t notice all the destruction they’re causing. Or worse, you defend it, “They’re Only Kids” or “It’s Part Of Their Culture”™

        If they can behave, keeping them out is racist.
        If they CAN’T behave, keeping them out is self-protection!
        And the idea we HAVE to let them in just for existing is the MOST childish, don’t you think?

    • EPGAH

      And what if, instead of chastising them for this, we elect one leader as overcompensation for reacting to its difference?

  6. Jason Y

    What’s odd is that while your growing up everyone criticizes anyone who is different. However, once your adult, everybody is trying to act as freak-ish as possible, with tattoos, permed hair, piercings etc..

    It’s like, “Well it’s cool to change yourself, but not to be “born different”.🙄

  7. Jason Y

    In any mixed race nation happen real eugenic selective pressures. In part, this explain why mixed race white/black people look worst. Leave prole whites procreate and you will have irish travellers. Race is a factor of course but is far to be the only one.

    Bullcrap,🙄 some of the hottest models are mixed black and white. Anyhow, you can’t really say what is hot or not, cause it’s all in the eye of the beholder. I mean, unless your talking about a burn victim.

    • Jason Y

      Note: All the black guys chase the lighter skinned blacks. Why is that, if the mixed look is the worst? Of course, then again I don’t agree with the blacks, as some extremely dark women look good, and some lighter ones don’t in my opinion. But again, it’s just an opinion based on personal taste.

      It’s like food. Some people like hamburgers and some don’t etc..

    • Santoculto

      Basic stats for you champs,

      remember, i live in a mixed race country and i don’t see this super models all the time in the street AND is very likely to find natural beauties in Nordic country than in banana republics here.

      I will need explain again******

      You don’t really know how work science, real science,

      is not what you would like that were.

      my english is so bad to be understood or you have problems with text interpretation*

      the two point of views are right, beauty is relative because we are biased all the time, with ourselves when we looking for the mirror, we overrated our own images AND we apply same mistakes with our partner, specially subconscious neurotypical. Love is always a idealization. What Schoppenhauer said about civilization and social proximity, i don’t remember exactly what he said but greater personal proximity/familiarity tend to cause problems because we become more critical in not so safe distance.

  8. Jason Y

    Jason,
    Northern whites specially gracile Nordic look like cats, palette of eyes and hair colors, white skin and little noses. Cats are beautiful.

    Beauty have evolutionary value but little in moral terms. One of the most gentle people are not beautiful and at lot of assholes are above in physical attractiveness.

    I agree too that beauty is relative because personal, emotional reasons but not by logical reasons.

    Human mindset was shaped to like novelty, and whites have a packet of novel traits.

    “No” is just your personal direct opinion/ feeling. Elaborate and you will have an argument.

    Mixed race you agree or not produce higher disparity and don’t look so better to increase kindness. Japaneses who are a decanted race look superficially gentle in times of peace than almost mixed race people. Samoans and other look good behavior too.

    I never said blondes weren’t hot looking, only that “hotness” is in the eye of the viewer, unless your talking about something extreme like a massive facial deformity or a burn victim. For instance, there are guys who chase chubby women, and it isn’t out of desperation.

    • Jason Y

      Perhaps extremely obese people are unattractive to nearly everyone, but that would have to be an extreme example, something like a Sumo wrestler or something with a lot of cellulite.

      • Santoculto

        A lot of fat women have beautiful faces, don’t ask for me why.

      • Santoculto

        ”only that “hotness” is in the eye of the viewer”

        jeez, again the semantic bad manipulation… hotness is not exactly the same than beautyness. Men with gracile faces tend to be beautiful but not hot, exactly happen with women.

        … is in the eye of viewer

        OK

        BUT, fat is ugly….

        i thought beauty were relative,😉

    • Santoculto

      You’re continue repeating the same thing. ok.

  9. Jason Y

    I think the white nationalists are trying to be like the guys on the movie “Animal House”. They’re purposely being as un-PC as possible to make people angry, breaking every PC rule.🙄 No taboo is off limit.

    • Jason Y

      Except sometimes it’s cute, but on Stormfront they just come across as hardcore sadists.

    • EPGAH

      Funny, I thought that’s what nonwhites were doing, calling any white who doesn’t welcome our own/civilization’s destruction everything from “Privileged” to “racist” to “Nazi”.

      Privileged used to be a GOOD thing, it was an extra benefit EARNED by good behavior. Now they’re acting like we don’t DESERVE everything we’ve earned and built up over the centuries.
      We built civilization. By Any Means Necessary sometimes, sure, but WE built it. If we don’t deserve it, then noone does. BUT that’s not the point of calling us “privileged” is it? The idea is to make us give it to the undeserving thugs, right?

      As to no taboo is off-limit, aren’t the Libs doing a full-court-press to step on every taboo and tradition of the Civilized World, from marriage to incest to the very definition of “male” and “female”?

  10. Jason Y

    Quote by Epgah,

    But it’s also either getting rid of whites or at best making really stupid ones.
    Think of it this way: A mulatto is dumber than white, but smarter than Black. Does that count as “making lower IQ races smarter” or making higher IQ races dumber? Think about it, isn’t the mulatto basically a white with Down’s syndrome?

    Why are the mulattos the ones that can successfully overthrow white countries, but can’t RUN it once they overthrow it?
    From Haiti to South Africa…Look it up!

    Maybe the IQ of mulattoes hasn’t had enough time to come up. Look at Ben Carson and other high IQ blacks. Also, again you have to always factor in the environment along with genetics.

  11. Jason Y

    Quote by ep-gah

    But it’s also either getting rid of whites or at best making really stupid ones.
    Think of it this way: A mulatto is dumber than white, but smarter than Black. Does that count as “making lower IQ races smarter” or making higher IQ races dumber? Think about it, isn’t the mulatto basically a white with Down’s syndrome?

    Why are the mulattos the ones that can successfully overthrow white countries, but can’t RUN it once they overthrow it?
    From Haiti to South Africa…Look it up!

    Not enough time has been allowed for the mulatto IQ to come up. There are some high IQ blacks, like Ben Carson for instance.

    Also, honestly, considering the drumming ability of blacks, along with other musical gifts that whites have a hard time copying, how can we really be so sure that blacks are as inferior as WNs claim? Has anyone seen the complexity of a jazz perfomance?

    • Jason Y

      I wouldnt say a mulatto black has down’s syndrome. I would say blacks with an IQ of below 70 could be considered that. That’s why it was so easy to make slaves out of them.

      • Batterytrain

        East asians sometimes look as though they are the result of permanent down syndrome!

      • EPGAH

        The first thing these supersmart Blacks will want is equality they don’t deserve. And superior capabilities spawn superior ambition, so they’ll KILL us for treating them as the substandard they are.

        Again, look at Haiti or South Africa, or other places it already happened.
        What do you think brought Egypt so low? From the high point of building pyramids to being overrun and sacked by Moslem terrorists?

        • Jason Y

          And your saying Muslim incest had nothing to do with it? The fact that half of all Muslims come from an imbred line. 70 percent of Pakistanis married their first cousin.🙄 So you saying the real culprit was blacks screwing white chicks back in ancient times. Right?

        • Jason Y

          The first thing these supersmart Blacks will want is equality they don’t deserve. And superior capabilities spawn superior ambition, so they’ll KILL us for treating them as the substandard they are.

          If blacks are supersmart, of course, they’ll want to be treated equally or, and I hope it doesn’t come to be the case, as the master.🙄 Is this what your afraid of?

          You said they don’t deserve it? They don’t? How would that be the case?

          Yeah I kind of get what your saying though dont’ agree. It’s kind of like that book “Flowers for Alernon” or something. A mentally challenged guy gains a high IQ, and then all his former friends (who used to make fun of him) don’t like him no more. The guy who gains so much new smarts, obviously begins to want revenge on all these assholes for past abuse.

        • Jason Y

          Are you saying a super-smart black elite will demand equality for all blacks, when those blacks don’t deserve it? No I don’t think that’s the case. Smart blacks are afraid of dumb blacks, just like white people are. They also segregate themselves from ghetto blacks.

          Of course, there is nothing wrong with “so so” equality for blacks, as long as the blacks aren’t violent.

      • Jason Y

        Mentally challenged people of around 60 IQ have to be watched over by adults. So you can see why white people had slaves back in the day. It wasn’t really a case of “All men are created equal”, as the media tries to portray those times.

        Nonetheless, as with children, a lot of abuse took place. Some of the punishments, lashings etc.. were unreasonable, and motivated by sadism.

    • EPGAH

      OK, but jazz is kind of a niche skill. It won’t help us make better buildings, or longer-lasting ones, or self-driving cars, it won’t help us colonize other planets to make room for nonwhite mega-breeders.

      In short, it’s a “skill” the way being really good at a videogame is a “skill”. Expert at something useless!

      But what I was pointing out is that you emphasize that hybridization raises mulatto IQ over Blacks, I’m pointing out it lowers white IQ!

      • Jason Y

        Race mixing with blacks doesn’t lower white IQ, as generally mulattoes are considered (by society) as being black, or a better word would be ebony.

        • Santoculto

          You’re a lost case.

        • Jason Y

          quote by santoculto

          You’re a lost case.

          You just don’t like what I’m saying. Just an attempt to discredit what I’m saying, by ignoring and mocking what I’m saying.

          It’s like some punk in school mocking the teacher, before he even has a chance to say anything.

      • Jason Y

        Why wouldn’t jazz improve society? Jazz is hard to play. A dummy can’t play it. You can’t get a bunch of rock musicians to play jazz, especially the drummer. It requires more skill than in a lot of rock. It requires as much skill as what you see in classical music.

        if you got brains to do jazz, you can probably do other things.

      • Jason Y

        A person skilled at playing some video games has to be intellegent. They could probably transfer that intellegence to something useful, if they wanted to.

    • EPGAH

      If you truly believe interbreeding make Blacks smarter, then doesn’t it stand to reason it makes whites stupid?

      • Jason Y

        Again what ep-gah doesn’t get is that whites are mostly marrying other whites, just like they always have.

        The problem is that Latinos are coming in and pushing whites out. There is no “mixed race” problem in America. There is only a minority of black guys dating white chicks, often fat ones. That’s all Iv’e ever seen.

      • Santoculto

        Jeeez, MAKE BLACKS SMARTER why*** because whites are on average smarter***

        Contradictions is a central piece of liberal mindset or or supposed ”independent” thinkers.

        contradictions = dishonesty, not so kind.

        • Jason Y

          Quote by santoculto

          Jeeez, MAKE BLACKS SMARTER why*** because whites are on average smarter***

          Contradictions is a central piece of liberal mindset or or supposed ”independent” thinkers.

          contradictions = dishonesty, not so kind.

          Look either way your going to get people less smart than whites (on average). I mean, if you all hate blacks so much, then why not just KILL them? Gosh. :

          If your going to have blacks around, then why do you want the dumbest blacks possible? Maybe you’d like them in diapers?🙄

        • Santoculto

          ”Look either way your going to get people less smart than whites (on average). I mean, if you all hate blacks so much, then why not just KILL them? Gosh. :

          If your going to have blacks around, then why do you want the dumbest blacks possible? Maybe you’d like them in diapers? ”

          It’s not even a commentary, it’s a offense to my intellect,
          🙂
          🙂
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          🙂
          🙂

          Jayson,

          the ””independent” ”’thinkers”” should disappear because i ”hate” them, because they hate harmony.

    • EPGAH

      If you mix an 85 IQ with a 100 IQ, won’t the average be 92.5, so whites will lose 7-8 IQ points, and no amount of time will bring that back to normal?

      Worse, whites won’t EXIST if we all interbreed, so the highest IQ LEFT will be 92.5. But that’s the AVERAGE! The ones with IQ of 70s are the ones mega-breeding and making ghettos. So we’ll probably drop the average IQ to 80 or so, which is Down’s Syndrome Level — even you admitted this.

      You have to look at the current birth rates. The stupid are poor, and the poor are breeding more because we consider it a “right” to breed.
      If they kill off the more intelligent blacks, then you’ll be left with a bunch of borderline animals either mixing with whites or killing us off. Either way, we’re heading to a point civilization will no longer be sustainable by what’s left.

      • Batterytrain

        Then how come White IQ was so low and comparable to present Black levels in the 1940’s, and up till the 1960’s in countries like the Netherlands or Ireland? Many Blacks have actually have their IQ’s match that of 1960 Whites! Even Robert himself admitted that! How there are entire black countries with higher average IQ’s then 1960 Whites and even normal Whites today? Even Robert has posted the evidence for that! None of anything you WN morons post ever makes sense or is in congruence with facts or reality, just your narcissistic sociopathic childish idiotic fantasy!

        • Robert ACTUALLY did a post on the Flynn effect and said how we improved in many forms of intellect but NOT ALL.

          Even then, that was due to technological and scientific atmospheres becoming more common for more people, and even then Blacks’ phenotypic IQ doesn’t MATCH Modern White IQ’s except for perhaps the Native Irish, some Eastern Europeans, and some North African/Arabic Phenotypic IQ’s

        • Batterytrain

          What you are saying is simply irrelevant and can be qualified as a red-herring argument! If we were to take EPGAH’s argument that the evidence should be that since we have to take the naturalistic position that Whites had high IQ due to DNA and FROM THE BEGINNING; then WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE IQ FIGURES REPORTED IN WESTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES IN THE 1940’s and 1950’s! Nor would Whites show the historical patterns that they ACTUALLY DID IN HISTORY AS I DESCRIBED IN MY LAST POST (I.E illiteracy, no civilization, lack of proper hygiene, no real math or science, no laws etc etc)!

          We would also have no significant increases in the IQ of blacks or blacks outside of America because of the same argument; it doesn’t matter HOW MUCH the IQ improved, it matters that it actually INCREASED which DISPROVES EPGAH’s argument and that’s all that is relevant!

        • EPGAH

          Just because our team is better than your team, doesn’t necessarily mean that ALL of our team is better than ALL of your team.

          There are some stupid whites and smart Blacks.

          But your post compares Blacks NOW with whites half a century ago.
          That’s not right, because we’re ALL smarter, if you believe the Flynn effect at all.
          Your IQ increased, ours did too, so we’re still ahead.

          As to illiteracy and no civilization, what are you calling the Roman Empire? What about our castle-cities in the Dark Ages?
          Does the fact that many were illiterate somehow abrogate the achievements of the few?
          Does a few well-learned/well-spoken nonwhites abrogate all the poverty and violence throughout their countries, and their overthrow and ruination of a few of ours?

          The idea that whites were ever stupid on an absolute scale is YOUR narcissistic fantasy. After all, we were knocked down several times by Moors, Mongols, Moslems, even Germanic tribes, but we always got back up stronger than before.

          And if whites AREN’T smarter, how were we 400 years ahead of the savages in the 1450s when we started maritime exploration in earnest?

          How did we take over and upgrade the savages? With a cheat-code?

        • Red Herring?
          I think you are the only one making a Red Herring by ONLY REFERRING to the 1940’s White IQ and just a few other cases RATHER than arguing your claim of Whites being inferior DESPITE CURRENTLY Blacks losing at IQ scores relative to Whites?

          How did that happen? Plus “High IQ” is just a relative term. In the 1940’s lets just say the average white was equal (but not really) to the average black now, what about the average Black back THEN in the 40’s?

          Also, it doesn’t matter if white weren’t advance until modern times, WHERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF BALCKS IN MODERN TIMES?

          But like I said, EPAGH will take care of you just fine.

        • EPGAH

          If you have proof of ANYTHING you’re spouting, why haven’t you taken it to the Smithsonian?
          Especially the bits about savages inventing everything before us, and their own written language.

          Then what happened, they just burnt it all and hit each other across the head so hard they forgot? Or was there a mass uprising against “Smart People Privilege”, and the mass of savages utterly destroyed all TRACE of smart people among them except verbal “Urban Legends” handed down by people like you?

          But we can look around and see that the MODE of Blacks is a life that is indeed brutish, violent and short, and the decay of civilization if they take over.
          If Blacks are so advanced, what happened to Detroit?
          Maybe Rhodesia? Rhodesia used to be a thriving farm country, feeding themselves, the rest of Africa, and even some of the Civilized World!
          Now look at Zimbabwe under Black control. It’s another Starving Third World Infomercial Bait, right?
          How about Haiti? French — purportedly white people — founded it, what did the Blacks do to them? What happened to Haiti after the Blacks took over? (Hint: America’s rebuilt Haiti FIVE TIMES, just none of them “took” yet, apparently?)
          How about Somalia? There are some alleged photos showing Somalia as an impressive trading port with the Italian flag over it. Is that Photoshop? Quite impressive, 60 years before Photoshop was even invented! Or did the savages already have computers and Photoshop already and whites didn’t “steal” it for another 60 years?
          If so, why is Somalia known for pirates and anarchy NOW?

          Most whites may well have been illiterate, but Blacks by and large were and ARE uncivilized, which is worse, and worse, they resist civilization forced on them.
          The whites developed laws&civilization and then pushed it on everyone else. By force, sometimes, but still we did enforce law on the lawless.
          There are indeed exceptions, but you have to admit that is the MODE of the two groups!

        • Jason Y

          BatteryTrain has a point, the Irish IQ was quite low, and that’s one explanation why they didn’t want the Irish in the US, as the low IQ made them annoying, as low IQ does.

          Yeah, exactly as BatteryTrain has stated, the present black IQ matches the white IQ of 1960, which of course means the black IQ of 1960 must have been lower. So we see the reason for segregation was “fear of the mentally challenged”. But again, the mentally challenged always have a hard time, even today.

      • Jason Y

        Quote by ep-gah

        If Blacks are so advanced, what happened to Detroit?

        Could it be that the motor companies left Detroit? Hmm 🙄

        • Jason Y

          How about Haiti? French — purportedly white people — founded it, what did the Blacks do to them? What happened to Haiti after the Blacks took over?

          Well, even abused children have thier limits. Sure whites built Haiti, and the slaves they brought in were low IQ child-like creatures. Nonetheless….. Their had to be negative karma coming in somewhere.

        • Jason Y

          Would ep-gah say it was ok for say the owners of the Belgian Congo to be so abusive, even if we were talking about 60-70 range IQ Africans? As in Haiti, the abused, even the mentally challenged, have thier limits. They can devise revenge.

        • Jason Y

          One way to look at the Haiti rebellion is by looking at a beaten chained up dog. Sure a dog is supposed to obey a human, but a dog won’t react well to abuse, and chaining him up etc.. makes him growl and be mean (and be dangerous to children).

  12. Santoculto

    Mongoloid term were used inappropriately in the past.

    OF COURSE

    EAST ASIANS LOOK LIKE DOWN SYNDROME

    BUT BLACKS DON’T LOOK LIKE APES.

    You can be nasty with one of the most defenseless people on earth called down people, you can be nasty/kind with east asians,

    you’re a nice person because ”your” ”moral” narrative fit with official narrative.

    Someone explain why all timeline of human evolution have as ”modern human” a figure of a caucasian northern european man***
    🙂

    • because of europe’s close association with international science?
      either that or Caucasians are just seen as a clear slate and other races could be interchangeable.

      Those are the only things I could think of outside of Eurocentrism, which is am argument I don’t like using due to that being a habit amongst those like BT.

      • Santoculto

        Huuum, no i think also because europeans look very outlier if were compared with other races. In terms of physiological evolution, europeans are the most evolved because accumulation of divergent traits than older humans. But real evolution will happen in mindset and not just or fundamentally appearence.

        • That’s probably better than my answer.

          Also, I couldn’t help but to notice your conversation with Jay.

          From what I’ve seen I agree with you about how so many people like Jay just persist in defending the pathological and dismissing the reasoning.
          I also like how you describe WN’s. While I’ve seen many stupid ones, I always asked myself that,

          “Is what they want REALLY unreasonable?, all they are doing is addressing a problem to their community. They may not always produce the best solutions or have the right facts, but it doesn’t help that we ignore this.”

          Plus I’m tired of feeling like a “traitor” when I don’t want to defend criminals being apprehended by the law, that’s why I research people like the Igbo because they were an example of that you can be “black” but still have standards for they had concepts of human and divine law.

          If more White Nationalists were like you I would join the fight no problem, but sadly based on what EPAGH told me with his experience with activist groups they are very strict on patterns of thinking.

        • Santoculto

          Phill,
          the real difference is not between right and left but dogmatic and rational people. It is the deep/fundamental difference. Extreme right is identical than extreme left. Virtually no have balanced central position if we look for ”central political positions” inside the imposed ”political spectrum”. The centrists are induced to mix the worst of economical right with the worst of cultural and POLITICAL/zionist left.

          Pseudo-interestingly i’m relativist about ”culture” because i like all kind of cultural expression without nonhuman animal sacrifices.

          ”If more White Nationalists were like you I would join the fight no problem, but sadly based on what EPAGH told me with his experience with activist groups they are very strict on patterns of thinking.”

          Yes, unfortunately the ”opposition” to the globalist totalitarians are blessing… for them, both sides, right and left.

        • Santoculto

          I’m not a ”white nationalist” but i’m thinking now in individual neutrality emulating nation neutrality like Switzerland, but without money wash, for those who disagree with the continuity of this human conflicts and creating a rational communities with all correct human knowledge, racial reality included.

        • Oh, I wasn’t trying to make a right vs. left statement, I was just explaining my troubles living in the cultural left.

          And yes, your grasp on ideology overall is similar to mine. I thought of something similar in my concept of “knowing your opponent”, in the sense that in a discussion with another you should separate the “idea” for example being a political position from the person who holds it.

          When I was looking at comments and feelings towards black people I thought they were al the same at first, but then I started talking to a few and they were rational in their ideas while you would have others who were just clowns who I knew I couldn’t have a conversation with.

          That’s why I figured that one of my goals that I would complete was to “reach out” to someone who was on the “other side” who I could talk to. I met one we went off to a great start.

          “I’m not a ”white nationalist” but i’m thinking now in individual neutrality emulating nation neutrality like Switzerland, but without money wash, for those who disagree with the continuity of this human conflicts and creating a rational communities with all correct human knowledge, racial reality included.”

          That sound fantastic, but could also talk as long as eons to create.

  13. Santoculto

    ”How did that happen? Plus “High IQ” is just a relative term. In the 1940’s lets just say the average white was equal (but not really) to the average black now, what about the average Black back THEN in the 40’s?”

    Phil,
    my opinion is that human intelligence not evolved a lot since appearence of early civilizations because ”we” had lived in proto-capitalistic/unfair-hierarchy/human exploitation since this ancient times.

    cognitively evolved human beings, specially in Eurasia, are just the evolution of a servile type.

    This great bugs in iq scores are likely to be just errors in measurement or in the ((iq tests actualizations)).

    Remember, intelligence/perception there is without iq tests, iq is a try to measure it.

    • I agree, however both Robert and Steve Sailor found that the Flynn gains were based of modern “stimulation” rather than actual biological gains.

      So in a way we are improving, but in only certain areas and not in monolith forms of intelligence, but if you dsiagree that absolutely fine because I find you reasonable.

      However, I think we can both agree that BT’s reasoning is bullshit regardless on how we view the IQ test scores.

      But basically I think we are in similar modes of thought because I don’t think the results of the IQ test is the same as, persay, that Blacks are EXACTLY at the same cognitive average as a 1940’s US white.

      • yeah, basically one could say it a type of stimulation that enhances abilities but not all of them like Robert stated.

        Though I’m really talking about gains towards “narrowing the gap”, the way how US Blacks have a average Mulatto IQ despite being only a fifth to a quarter is eugenic due to having more white mother lineages compared to mulatto countries south of us that have more black mother lineages.

        Still, gains are gains I guess but it varies on how you treat them.

      • EPGAH

        I fear the gap narrowing.
        There are only two ways for a gap to narrow:
        1.) The slower player speeding up.
        2.) The faster player slowing down.
        Which one is more easily achieved, whether naturally or artificially?
        Therefore, which one is more likely?

        If whites are dumbing down, there is not a swear-word in any language strong enough to describe the world’s and/or humanity’s state.

      • I’m referring to actual gains rather than actual loses for the other group.

        however i do acknowledge the danger of the other groups dumbing down as a dangerous effect.

      • Santoculto

        Phill,
        i think real knowledge is real understanding and not real ”learning of repetitive and convergent-mechanic tasks”. Understanding is not ”task learning” or ‘skill learning”.

        I don’t disagree with you, just my central criticism about iq is that it measure ”intelligence” in static and decontextualized situation.

        Good intention by psychologists trying to measure cognitive ability without cultural load BUT human beings ARE cultural creatures. You are measuring human intelligence (partially) without scenario. It is not exactly measure ”intelligence” but capacity to acquire logic-convergent skills (relative general knowledge/memorization basically, what school/education system measure).

        Again and always, i’m not against iq tests, just against ideology that was created hurriedly.

        Iq is like a chess ability but much more general than specific.

        Chess ability CORRELATE with strategic thinking but is not the same. Is completely possible you have a bad chess player who are very good in real world strategy. Chess player seems need a good combination between mentalist and mechanicist (technic) skills but real world strategists tend to be specially very good in mentalist game.

        ”BT’s reasoning”

        What is it*

        ”But basically I think we are in similar modes of thought because I don’t think the results of the IQ test is the same as, persay, that Blacks are EXACTLY at the same cognitive average as a 1940’s US white.”

        Yes, people who think like that by logic should conclude that iq tests don’t measure predominantly intelligence, whatever.

        • I was referring to Batterytrain’s logic behind white iq inferiority in his comment above, basically saying whites in the !1940’s have Black IQ now so that would make Blacks superior.
          His FLAW was comparing IQ of those two at DIFFERENT time periods rather than at the same.

          I have more to say on your thoughts, which seem quite intriguing, but sadly I piled with studies at the moment.

        • Santoculto

          Ok, Batterytrain’s look very ignorant.

        • also Santoculto, I think the flynn gains mean that we aren’t getting smarter necessarily in potential, but that technology has assisted in unlocking the potential.

          In Robert posts, the skills that the tests measure are part of “understanding” concepts, but due to hour more scientifically engaging environment we are becoming more adjusted to such style of thinking.

          More people in the past may’ve been able to but didn’t have the resources.

          Think of it like as two mountains, both with the same amount of gold but one has older technology to unearth it why the other one has more advance to unearth more in one take.

          In my way of distinguishing intellect I think of three different type of people.

          The person who can learn the process, the one who can understand the concept behind the concept, and then the guy who will innovate the process who could spawn from the former.

          I would say I would be the second type because, while I don’t always get the answer to what the concept means, I’m always engaged to understand what a formula actually means in real life or how people made the calculations.

          Basically now that science is becoming more and more of our society, it’s possible that we are making people express understanding patterns or logic better rather than altering their potential.

          However that’s just my take and for all I know you are still actually right.

          BTW, I like the way you distinguish IQ as correlation rather than the potential and I’ll keep that in mine, however based on my idea I wonder what people now can actually do with what they have.

        • Santoculto

          Phill,

          I was thinking about capacity of new generation to learn quickly the use of new technologies and compared them with older generations. Why** Simply, precocious exposure to this task.

          Children tend to learn quickly, look for languages. I imagine/think that this learning will be not homogeneous and should have a ceilling, for example, on average, or average child can learn three different languages if she were exposed precociously.

          Real learning is be able to manipulate at least superficially the acquired knowledge.

          Iq express potential but for general/technical intelligence and not for critical and analytical capacity.

        • I see, well nic hearing your thoughts.

    • Also, I don’t even see why opposition to Border control in the first place, whether for America or Europe, is “racist”.

      AFRICA actually suffers from the same situation, other BLACK countries in africa complain about nigerian scammers.

      If you are letting STRANGERS BY THE MILLIONS in your country, refusal efficient screening is practically murder to begin with.

      I think a motto to make to separate this thinking from what people consider “racism” is “We don’t hate the people, we hate what they do.”

      The guy passes the regulations, doesn’t break the law or cause disturbance he could pray to Beelzebub for all anyone else cares.

      • EPGAH

        Ironically, I said much the same to Jason on another page about why Jews were hated.

        But yes, keeping out the bad is the FIRST REQUIREMENT for ANY Government. Not Post Offices or Welfare, but protecting citizens from enemies!

        I am pleasantly surprised that other Africans hate Nigerian scammers, I hope it leads to enough pressure to stop it and if not, that they go in there and “fix” it themselves.

        Also note: Racism is never used BY the people calling out the bad actions, it’s used ON them by SJWs to shame people FOR noticing the bad actions!
        It’s called Lawfare, and with Moslems, “Stealth Jihad”.
        The Ultimate Goal: If you see something suspicious, the goal is that if a nonwhite is involved, you won’t dare say something until AFTER something bad happens.

        • Jason Y

          I believe in calling out bad for being bad, but WNs take the idea too much to the extreme. They support a society devoid of all mercy.

          My dream world involves a strong police force punishing crime to the utmost degree, while at the same time focuses on improving the environment. On the other hand, what we see in fascist 3rd world nations, is an attempt to be tough with the police, but no effort is made to help the people.

        • Jason Y

          Quote by ep-gah

          Also note: Racism is never used BY the people calling out the bad actions, it’s used ON them by SJWs to shame people FOR noticing the bad actions!

          That’s true, but half of all black males ARE in prison, despite that fact. Despite all the “sensitive behavior” going around, it hasn’t reduced that number.

          Also, the US cops may have gotten softer (or have they?), but the prison is not soft at all. It’s a hell-hole. It’s the worst possible environment imaginable for rehabiliation, and it doesn’t rehabiliate.

      • EPGAH

        Bay Area Guy once said “Moslems are tolerant in a ‘mind your place and we won’t actively persecute you’ sense, However, they were certainly not tolerant by modern Western multicultural standards. Not that that’s a bad thing, as Western multiculturalism is loony.”

        Maybe we need to adopt a standard like that?

        • Jason Y

          Some aspects of what ep-gah makes sense, but not other stuff. Sure we need a strong police force, and we need Latinos out of the US. However, besides that, a world envisoned by ep-gah is so cruel that it’s beyond imagination. Basically it’s an “Oliver Twist” world where big companies rule (libertarian) and people’s racism, unkindness, and homophobia is stretched to the max.

          Also, in regards to being tough on crime. Sometimes, being tough on crime can be bad, if it’s not directed toward the right people. For instance, in Saudi, they lash people for mundane reasons, not only for serious offenses like violence, rape etc..

          For instance, they lashed a 13 year old girl for bringing a cellphone to school, they lash homosexuals for just being gay, they would beat people for jay-walking🙄

        • Jason Y

          The biggest thing with epgah- is his denial that fascist nations have done, nothing, zero, zip, to help the people. So wouldn’t that be a crime if the Indian, Phillippine, El Salvador government etc.. made no effort to help the poor. And they wonder why commies take over?

      • That’s a good behavior to adopt, however we should be modern about how we should approach situations with other groups/people (e.i not neccessarily using the same actions as Muslims would. Like giving oppurtunities to improve but having a limit after 2 fuck ups just to be generous.)

        p.s I know it seems like I’m breaking my statement to be unable to talk until december, but that’s really with google, blog comments I have time for but just barely.

    • Santoculto

      ”What’s wrong with capitalism and hierarchy, though? It just depends on WHO is at the top of the hierarchy. America used to be A force for good, if not THE force for good, now under the Bum, we’re helping terrorists and paying scum to ruin our country, the money taken from our own veterans…Wait, WHAT?”

      Capitalism inexorably tend to produce unfair/incomplete/tendentious meritocracy and subsequent hierarchy.

      America now is like Rome in the past, the american past is far to be morally correct, as well almost all humanation on earth.

      • EPGAH

        What do you mean inexorably? Capitalism is fair, just not equal.
        I think that’s where you’re getting confused, right?
        The desire to conflate “equal” with “fair”?

        I asked you what system you’d prefer, I pointed out the 3 that are usually named instead of Capitalism. Do you have a better idea?

      • May I interject?

        My field is more on anthropology rather than economics, but I also fancy in communication as well.
        Basically what Santoculto is doing is pointing out the flaws with capitalism, that while Capitalism is bent on making things unequal rather than unfair it is possible for unfair things to occur disguised as standard capitalist inequality.
        However this could be prevented with EPAGH’s point that things would run smoothly depending on WHOSE in charge rather than the system being inefficient in itself.
        Though one could argue, and I’m not saying that I 100% oppose capitalism, inefficiency in maintaining a good administration could be a possible fault in Capitalism.
        So I guess something that Santoculto could argue is how that administration can be regulated or he could just go with whatever his alternative to Capitalism should be. I

        But I don’t speak for Santoculto so his own words will be his thoughts, I’m just picking up a sense that this discussion could get unneccessarily heated.

      • Santoculto

        ”What do you mean inexorably? Capitalism is fair, just not equal.
        I think that’s where you’re getting confused, right?
        The desire to conflate “equal” with “fair”?”

        Capitalism LOOK fair (now) but it’s not. Metaphorically speaking, capitalism is like a supposed beautiful woman WITH make up. Capitalism is essentially a ideology of human exploitation. Use fake realist terms as ”is need effort and sacrifice to conquered economic security or living standard”. ”Works” like school, fake ideia that for you learn you need memorize the matter of subject (sacrifice/effort).

        ”I asked you what system you’d prefer, I pointed out the 3 that are usually named instead of Capitalism. Do you have a better idea?”

        Just look for history of capitalism. Insane right wingers want legitimate injustice and unecessary suffering of ”loser” people in the capitalistic context.

        A ideology that serves exclusively and harmonicaly human beings |(what human beings**) AND other living beings, because we become responsible for this planet.

        Capitalistic social structures recreates a food chain in social human contexts.

  14. Jason Y

    BatteryTrain has some good points, though they are very anti-white to an unreasonable degree. I agree that a lot of the stuff brought up white nationalist is psedo-science.

    But then again, BatteryTrain was making psuedo-scientific claims in his “anti-white” remarks.

    • Jason Y

      Definitely as blacks sometimes focus on Afro-centrism, which would deny the low black IQ of times past, hence giving unreasonable condemnation to things like negro slavery, the whites practice Euro-centricm, which pushes a massive amount of pseudo-science and false ideas of beauty (saying a lot of beauty isn’t in the eye of the beholder), as well as just an unreasonable disrespect for non-white culture and people.

      • Jason Y

        I agree low black IQ justified slavery (at least in the sense the black slaves were child-like and had to be watched by adults) and did justify (and does now justify) the “white fear of black crime”,

        Nonetheless, going past those two things, is a lot of mythology made up by WNs to satisfy their vanity.🙄 , and to insult other races.

        • Jason Y

          The white nationalist mythology is just as ridiculous as liberal mythology claiming low black IQ has no real meaning in the study of history, criminology, genetics, psychology etc..

    • Santoculto

      Some good points, where**🙂

      • Jason Y

        quote by santoculto

        Some good points, where**🙂

        Good points in as that going past statements about low black IQ and crime, white nationalism goes into bullshit mythology. It’s almost as ridiculous as what you find in Christianity and Islam.

        “Oh, maybe white people will grow wings and ascend into heaven.” ::lol:

        “Did you know the white race was founded by Zeus on Mt Olympus?”🙄

        • Jason Y

          BatteryTrain brought up the notion that a lot of white nationalism is based on a vain mythology made up by white nationalists to get them off. It’s no different than the “Nation of Islam” saying white people are devils, and having some weird stories for children to explain why.

          Batterytrain said white nationalism provides a lot of stories, pseudo-science etc.. and whatnot to satify the sociopathic dream world of white nationalists.

        • Santoculto

          White nationalism is not a mythology, survive is not a myth. White nationalism is a natural reaction against exterior aggression.
          Of course because WN sphere is populated by some/many very stupid guys that many partiality of facts and de-humanization about their ”enemies” become a common place, but in part, this cause to this generalizations is the suppression of honest debate AND de-humanization about whites, as collectivity and as individuals/existences made by jewish pest. Is a very logic reciprocity but still wrong because if your enemy is morally incorrect you need find a way to win without putting innocent people in the bonfire.

          I don’t know why i should explain this obvious things for a soooo smart guy as you.

        • Santoculto

          Afrocentrists are completely insane when they say about ”afro-supremacy”, just look around.

          White nationalists are not wrong about many of their claims. You, seems and very likely to be, consider as mythology and ”pseudo-science” for example racial differences in intelligence*** (🙂 )

          And answer your lovely question, YES, i want that sociopathic ”youngs” to be sterilized and castrated, as well every piece of shit on earth.
          You need search for psychiatric treatment, you are so delusional about ”blacks” than my retard leftoid brother, and specially, you are firstly delusional about yourself, the most important, about your intellectual ceilling. Liberal have some type of instinct deficiency.

          You determine for yourself that ”protect” ”blacks” about every correct criticism is a higher moral and intellectual attitude. Is like someone who no have conscience about own mistakes in grammar (i’m not like that because i know about my current aenglische,😉 )

          Even when someone told to you that you are commiting repeated mistakes in your pattern thinkings you won’t learn.

          The only difference is that write alone don’t involve emotion, very different when we are defending our thinking (ourselves).

        • EPGAH

          But it’s not mythology, most of it is true.
          If you don’t like that whites are better than other groups, stop using things invented by whites.
          Just like I told BatteryTrain:

          I sure wish you’d get off of that computer. White people developed that. And that electricity you’re using, stop using it. White people developed its use.

          Do you drive to work in a car, take the bus or ride a bike? I hope not. And, next time you or a family member think of going to the hospital for an x-ray, or an MRI, or ask for some medicine, please don’t.

          In order to invent all these things, we had to buy and civilize an area. And we have to KEEP THE RIFFRAFF OUT! Even geniuses like Tesla and Edison

        • EPGAH

          If they are not less than us, why can they not even maintain an area after taking it over, whether by force, or us fleeing? Look what happened to Detroit, Haiti, South Africa. Anyplace whites leave quickly turns into a slum, if not a warzone. But you don’t want to talk about that, because “They Don’t Know Any Better” — but if that were true, wouldn’t we treat them as the animals they act like?

          Why do savages get to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to being human?
          You want us to treat them as equals, fine, they toe the line or get punished. If they’re too stupid, let’s treat them as retards or animals, right?

          Similarly, while today’s media spent hours devoted to the tragic image of the Syrian boy washed up on the shores, it obscured basic facts about his story when they failed to fit into the media’s larger political narrative. Similarly, the media scant talks about how mass terrorist “migration” has resulted in an explosion of Female Genital Mutilation in the United States; it does not talk about how our refugee programs have given rise to communities like Little Mogadishu — or Minneapolis, Minnesota — where government officials are struggling to stem the tide of Middle Easterners who have taken up arms TO JOIN ISIS; and covers up the countless American deaths that have occurred as a result of unbridled immigration.

          You might even say they’re — UNTOUCHABLE?

  15. Beheading is painless

    The left for means multicultural indoctrination and what could be wrong with that?

    I know I am biased but that is because I am an immigrant in the west. So it makes perfect sense for me. But I want it to make sense to very one. That is the goal of multiculturalism.

    A dose of anti racist, anti homophobic and anti transphobic training coupled with the latest discoveries from third wave femenists is a wonderful thing. It means manners. It means respect. It means understanding the world in a new way.

    It means seeing Zulu Lesbians riding on unicorns under a rainbow while petals of different hues rain down from the heavens.

    It means seeing the world as a wonderful place for all people, and we can all fit happily under that rainbow.

    So jump aboard the ark of cultural Marxism and pick up Richard Dawkins who is so opposed to arks, on the way. I am sure we can teach this cis gendered white patriarchal male how to think differently.

    • Jason Y

      Obviously being mean isn’t the way to go, but with Latinos taking jobs, and Muslims killing people, it forces a lot of people into a bad situation. Of course, Trump will be the guy (Joker on Batman🙄 ) who will make all the white nationalists happy as well as ordinary whites who fear rioting mexicans or Muslim attacks.

      • EPGAH

        Being mean isn’t the way to go? If we’re nice to our enemies, we’re mean to ourselves. And the invaders are VERY mean to our people.

        Adam Smith once said, “Mercy to the Guilty is Cruelty to the Innocent”

        Also, what nonwhite country would put up with this shit? Do other countries allow you to do whatever you want, break laws because it’s part of “your culture”, or do they spank you if you get out of line?
        (Singapore reference)

        • Jason Y

          Trump will put the foot down on illegals (as as well as others), but the price will be a massive police state.

        • EPGAH

          The larger and less homogenous a population is, the larger a police apparatus it needs.

          Besides, we’re already told what we are/are not allowed to say — for fear of pissing off the (Insert lesser group here), and we literally give criminals “Space To Destroy”, I’d rather give honest people “Space To Build”!

          We already HAVE the very Police State you fear, it’s just pitted against itself right now, instead of against the criminals!

  16. Toe Jam Football

    To Jason Y:

    That’s true, but half of all black males ARE in prison, despite that fact. Despite all the “sensitive behavior” going around, it hasn’t reduced that number.

    No, that is not true, the figure is around 5%, their incarceration rate is markedly higher than non-Hispanic whites but no where near 50%.:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

  17. Jason Y

    quote by Santoculto

    White nationalism is not a mythology, survive is not a myth. White nationalism is a natural reaction against exterior aggression.
    Of course because WN sphere is populated by some/many very stupid guys that many partiality of facts and de-humanization about their ”enemies” become a common place, but in part, this cause to this generalizations is the suppression of honest debate AND de-humanization about whites, as collectivity and as individuals/existences made by jewish pest. Is a very logic reciprocity but still wrong because if your enemy is morally incorrect you need find a way to win without putting innocent people in the bonfire.

    I don’t know why i should explain this obvious things for a soooo smart guy as you.

    What dehumanization is being done? Because the Jews produce some movies portraying the Klan in a negative light? Showing that maybe segregation was mean spirited? Anyone being dehumanized by Jews isn’t white, per se, but a white nationalists. Jews don’t like the Klan, Nazis etc.. because they’re extremist groups dedicated to reversing the progressive trends of the late 20th century.

    • Jason Y

      Well, you know it’s hard to have honest debate cause feeling get hurt. For one thing, you can say something even mildly racist to a non-white person, and they’ll hate you forever. You would have to make a big effort, a long apology, money, flowers, and a “get well card” to get the friendship back.

      • Jason Y

        Let’ s do an honest debate, for instance, about Japanese colonization of Korea. Well, Koreans will tell you to “go to hell” cause they view the Japanese as colonizers, even now. How could there be an honest debate there?

        How could there be an honest debate with blacks, who blame whites for making them slaves, even though their ancestors had the IQ of 10 year olds?

        Basically it all boils down to pride and hurt feelings. That’s why there is no honest debate, with or without Jews stoking the fire.

        • Jason Y

          quote by santo-culto

          You need search for psychiatric treatment, you are so delusional about ”blacks” than my retard leftoid brother, and specially, you are firstly delusional about yourself, the most important, about your intellectual ceilling. Liberal have some type of instinct deficiency.

          White nationalists are delusional about all sorts of things going past proven science (non-white low IQ, non-white crime statistics), and into the realm of mythology.

        • Jason Y

          And answer your lovely question, YES, i want that sociopathic ”youngs” to be sterilized and castrated, as well every piece of shit on earth.

          But whos to say white natonalists aren’t a piece of shit?

          There is a peckerwood WN town near my home. If that place went up in a Hiroshima cloud, all I could say it good riddens. I just hope some of the radiation doesn’t fly over to my home. That’s my only worry.

        • Jason Y

          quote by santo-culto

          Even when someone told to you that you are commiting repeated mistakes in your pattern thinkings you won’t learn.

          There is no mistakes in pattern of thinking. This is just light subtle bullying. Your just trying to discredit me so I’ll leave.

          They do it on Stromfront all the time, but they’re much more rude about it. They have this forum where they ask opponents to come on and say something. But then they bully the shit out of anyone who dares speak against them. Discrediting everything they say, by making bullying comebacks to every little spoken thing, until the beat up person gives up.

        • Jason Y

          If I make hypocritical remarks and this shows a bad pattern of thinking, then please feel free to say what the “hypocritical remarks” are.

        • EPGAH

          You complain about “light subtle bullying” , but then you say white nationalists are delusional, white nationalists are shit, etc.
          You even want a white town to be nuked, although you spell riddance badly. Is that meant to be a joke?

          “Discrediting everything they say by making bullying comebacks against them” is EXACTLY how Liberals work. Look at the crybullies in Mizzou U, who wanted — and GOT — the President of the college to step down, but NOW they want huge changes to curriculum, MORE Blacks hired, and “safe zones” where noone can tell them anything that disagrees with their pathetic worldview.

          AND they want their betters to pay for their college! What DID they come to college for?

      • EPGAH

        We’ve abolished slavery at the cost of 600,000 of our own lives, wasted TRILLIONS, LOTS of apologies, and even Affirmative Action and Hate Speech/Crime laws AGAINST OURSELVES, and Blacks still bitch about 150 years of slavery.

        Whites were enslaved by savages for 700 years, but we don’t whine about it, we don’t even treat them worse for it! (There’s plenty of OTHER reasons for that, and we’ll get called “racist” for it anyways, so…)

        At some point, you gotta throw up your hands and say, “I give up, be that way!” and stop letting the word “Racist” have such terrible magic power over us!

    • Santoculto

      Always the same crap, i know why leftoids hate eugenics. Because if a society decide eugenize their people, leftoid mindset will disappear.

      Dishonesty and pedantism in every line of Jay comments.

      He think i’m silly, good, it’s better leave him with this thought about me.

      IS O-B-V-I-O-U-S that de-humanization is not thing like movie about KKK (still will tend to be very impartial, very jewishtard primitive and idiotic psychopathics… jews are showing that they are a de-humanized race because psychopaths are de-humanized and like Midas king, they want change everything into a valueless like they are).

      my last comment for you ”jay”…

      i need start to avoid lost my time and patience with people like jay. The problem about people like jay is that they WANT attention, they DESIRE that you fall on his dirty game.

      • Jason Y

        WNs will all fall for Trump (and his future police state), and that’s my last comment for a whiile. He will give WN’s exactly what they want.🙄 They will finally feel validated and respected for being white people with Trump on top.

        So who really has the “dirty game”? 🙄 Hmmm ??

        • Jason Y

          quote by santo-culto

          Always the same crap, i know why leftoids hate eugenics. Because if a society decide eugenize their people, leftoid mindset will disappear.

          Leftoid mindset? You mean kindness and compassion, replaced by some fake-ass desire for power and domination?

          Don’t worry I’ll get some popcorn and sadistically enjoy the Donald Trump show.

        • EPGAH

          Leftists aren’t fueled by kindness and compassion, they want to force THEIR worldview on everyone. Why do Leftists seek Government office, or file lawsuits, if not for exactly that?

          Identity Groups seek dominance, not coexistance.
          I think Robert did an article about that last month?

          And you’d have to be insane to give away your group’s power and resources to groups who want to rape and murder you, even if you don’t call them “enemies”.

    • EPGAH

      Progressive? You call treating people as equals when they treat us as walking ATMs and STILL invade our countries and burn down our cities “progress”?

      • Jason Y

        I think a massive amount of evil exists on both sides. Of course, with Meixcans they should be deported. Unfortunately, the guy to do this is Trump, but his secret agenda is so evil, that it will turn out ot be a massive deception.

        As for blacks, ghetto ones burn down cities, but saying “all blacks” is a generalization. And the welfare thing isn’t the fault of blacks, but rather certain whites who have refused to re-work welfare to make it useful. For instance, changing it to a system where, “teaching one to be self-reliant via free education etc..”, is given priority over keeping “lifelong welfare pets”.

        • EPGAH

          When whites step out of line, we put the errant ones either back in line or down, as in “put them down”.

          Blacks don’t do that. It is a matter of historical fact that Blacks who were not burning down the town did NOT interfere with those who were.

          There was ONE Veteran who tried to SHAME the thugs out of rioting. That…only worked temporarily.
          There was ONE woman who kind of slap-fought her son into NOT rioting anymore, but did nothing to stop any of the other rioters.
          That’s a grand total of TWO. How large was the horde again?

        • Beheading is painless

          Mexicans should stay. Everyone including illegals should stay.

        • EPGAH

          Yes, they should stay IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES, not ours!

        • EPGAH

          If you accept we cannot afford to take care of our own people, particularly veterans, then we cannot afford to take on the deadweight of Mexico.

        • EPGAH

          http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/14/trump-embraces-parents-children-murdered-illegal-immigrants/
          This is why we need to boot illegals.
          Not to mention that pro-illegals think we should take a “nuanced” view of child-rape, even sex-slavery because “They Don’t Know Any Better”?

  18. Jason Y

    BTW BatteryTrain’s remarks are a bit off the wall. Perhaps he is some troll who is really a white nationalist, who is being sent in here to discredit liberals. That’s what I think.

    Anyhow, wasn’t there another batterytrain in the past who was a racist? Is it the same guy, but he changed sides?

    But BatteryTrain did quote Robert’s finding on many things, and also brought up some truthful facts about Irish IQ etc..

  19. Jason Y

    quote by Ep-gah

    Do you have any evidence of “narcing” on women? Also, there’s a certain bias there: If a woman makes an accusation, however spurious, it’s treated as Gospel. There are literally court cases of whores claiming sexual herassment or rape!

    But a man claiming rape, sexual herassment, or that the charges against him are FAKE, is ignored.
    Remember the “Mattress Girl” incident”?
    Tawana Brawly?
    Duke Lacrosse kids?
    That taxi driver in Canada, whose accuser was willing to call him a “rapist” just because he wouldn’t give her a free ride? Luckily, he had wired his cab for sound to catch an earlier thief, so he had proof, but if not, her word would’ve Trumped his easily!

    You could have a point there. That’s why women are so spoiled and evil. It’s because they know that men have no power. I can honestly say I am even trying to nark on one. But the look she gives me is “untouchable”, like she’s laughing at me.

    Anyhow, isn’t “untouchability” the reason why high caste Indians, Muslims who pour acid on their wives’ faces, or southern rednecks are/were so evil? I mean, if they know a jury won’t convict them of lynching a black man etc.., then doesn’t that lead to tyranny?

    How about a system where no group gets an unfair massive advantage?

    • EPGAH

      Any group that gains power seeks advantage for self. Whites do not actively seek disadvantage for non-self. In fact, we’re the only group that considers racism “wrong” and has Affirmative Action, hurting ourselves to help our enemies!

      All other groups, if they got power, would use it to hurt whites — and everyone else! I say this not out of some paranoid hypothetical conjecture, but because history has proved it repeatedly, from the Moorish Invasion to Haiti to South Africa, to the Paris Incident.

      How would you accomplish that without giving the “Victim” group extra rights? Ironically, other people thinking women deserved “a little extra protection” from the “Evil Patriarchy Law” or whatever, is exactly why your hypothetical woman is “untouchable” now.

      Hell, look around you in the now-time. Cops and military are backing off because WE PUNISH OUR OWN for hurting scum and their “feelings”!
      This makes criminals “untouchable”.
      Why do you think we’ve had 3 major riots in two years?
      Why do you think scum attack cops with impunity?
      Why do you think so many Third World scum will break our laws?
      They “know” they won’t get punished!
      We need to make scum “know” that fucking with us carries painful penalties…or they’ll keep doing it and escalate!

      • Jason Y

        quote by ep-gah

        Any group that gains power seeks advantage for self. Whites do not actively seek disadvantage for non-self. In fact, we’re the only group that considers racism “wrong” and has Affirmative Action, hurting ourselves to help our enemies!

        I wonder what Robert Lindsay’s take on this is. Surely this comment is an exxageration.

        Anyhow I don’t think whites are “helping thier enemies”. It seems more like some attempt (by the elite class) to buy off an oppressed group, whom otherwise would forment revolution.

        Also, anytime you bring up racism, you have to distinguish between racism and “chauvanism and oppression”. Racism being the recognition of racial differences, or dividing mankind on those lines. On the other hand, the other thing, is racism going into over-kill. As Robert Lindsay said, he was for “sane white nationalism”, as opposed ot stuff heard on Stormfront.

        Finally, a lot of non-whites don’t hate whites. Whites give them jobs, and sometimes non-whites marry whites.

        • Jason Y

          Note, the elites that run the nation don’t care about whites, or non-whites. The whole “affrimative action” or any other so called “progress on race”, is only done to buy off oppressed groups. The elites only care about money. This stuff isn’t a “charity” done by the white race.

      • Jason Y

        quote by ep-gah

        All other groups, if they got power, would use it to hurt whites — and everyone else! I say this not out of some paranoid hypothetical conjecture, but because history has proved it repeatedly, from the Moorish Invasion to Haiti to South Africa, to the Paris Incident.

        The Moorish and Paris thing was motivated by religion and what they view as oppression, not race. Haiti was a response to abusive slaveowners, not the ungrateful revolt of some ingrateful Africans whom some “morally pompous” whites rescued from savage Africa. As far as South Africa goes, memories of years of aparthied oppression isn’t forgotten overnight.

        Of course, in all these incidents, episodes of some “non-whites being naughty without real justification, other than being bad” did take place. However, there was more to it, then meets the eye.

        • Jason Y

          As far as Haiti goes, true, war bring out the worst in anyone. I mean, I heard a story online where some US soldier made a cigarette box of a Viet Cong’s lady’s breasts. 🙄

          However, the real question should be, “How can we avoid a situation like Haiti’s rebellion from taking place?” Well, one way is by treating the slaves with LESS abuse.

      • Jason Y

        Why should a bunch of inner city non-whites like white people? I mean, really, you can’t even get a waiter at a restaurant to like you. That is, unless your willing to pay at least a 2 dollar tip or more.

        Poverty does make a difference, unlike what white nationalists say. Even my brother has testified that some cities, like Lexington KY and Cincinatii OH, where the black middle class is small, the blacks hate whites more, than say places where the opposite is true.

        Also, WNs want to bring up Appalachia. But even there, I bet there is a lot of resentment, even though no burnt down buildings. Perhaps, as in some more traditional parts of Africa, the reason nothing is burnt down, is cause traditional culture calms people down, so to speak.

      • Jason Y

        quote by ep-gah

        Hell, look around you in the now-time. Cops and military are backing off because WE PUNISH OUR OWN for hurting scum and their “feelings”!
        This makes criminals “untouchable”.
        Why do you think we’ve had 3 major riots in two years?
        Why do you think scum attack cops with impunity?
        Why do you think so many Third World scum will break our laws?
        They “know” they won’t get punished!
        We need to make scum “know” that fucking with us carries painful penalties…or they’ll keep doing it and escalate!

        I never said I wanted a weak police force, but rather a super-strong one. Nonetheless, I’m not for “shipping blacks off to Africa”, or “African American Genocide”, or a return to segregation.

        Perhaps we should try a strong police force before resorting to “aparthied South Africa” government. Also, a reform of the drug laws would help quite a bit, as many of them are silly and cause much justified resentment.

        • Jason Y

          Of course though, once Trump tries to get tough, non-whites will forment a rebellion. The whole nation will go down in racial chaos.

          I guess I could probably say both white and non-whites would be to blame, as both sides have done bad things to contribute since the 1960s. A totally bad karma finally reaping for all Americans.

          Nonetheless, the situation doesn’t validate white nationalism in the least bit, maybe only Biblical ideas of justice and fairness etc..

  20. Jason Y

    I can see why santo-culto and ep-gah feel the way they do, up to a certain point (when it comes to reasonable true assessments of low non-white IQ and non-white crime rates, and the corrupt welfare system (not saying it can be remade into something better though)).

    However, for some the karma of the population (of all races) isn’t so great. For instance, the man to do the job that WNs want, is Trump, but the end price of putting him into power won’t be worth it. All of the “police state” nightmeres right wing milita groups envision will all come to pass.

    At first the militas will like and cooperate with Trump. However, in the end, Trump will turn against everyone. A lot of people though will like Trump as he will provide jobs. In the end though, I think war will destroy him, and the people with him.

    • Jason Y

      As far as leftoid opposition to eugenics, that santo-culto brought up, yes,I’m distrustful of it. Well for one thing, who would be in charge of eugenics? Would it not be a powerful police state? Maybe one controlled by Trump?

      Finally, is eugenics really necessary, when it can be said that incest has produced most genetic damage across the planet?

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