American Born Confused Desis: How True Is the Stereotype?

Shi writes:

Robert, I haven’t been to the States but based on what I heard from the Yanks I know personally as well as “desis” living there and online forums of course, Indians don’t really blend in too well. I heard that the “desis” in America are weird, social misfits even up to the 2nd generation. They are stereotyped as nerds and rejects. I mean the Oxford English Dictionary even has a term for these people with identity issues – ABCD – American born Confused Desi.

I would like to spend some time in United States, and of course my no.1 priority is to visit nightclubs in Las Vegas, music fests in Austin, Texas and partying at the beach in Miami – I want to meet lots of pretty girls🙂 but don’t really want to be clubbed with one of those loser ABCD’s. In what ways can I avoid being stereotyped? In one way I do stand out from them, I have a lovely accent, girls LOVE HEARING my voice.

Is it something to be taken seriously, do you have any advice for me? From my recent experiences in Europe, I did not face any disadvantage for being an Indian. However, I did not always announce my nationality unless someone asked. Most Europeans automatically took me for an American because of my accent and would act surprised that I’m not one.

Here are some jokes on “desis”, well there is a ring of truth to them.

http://www.fulldhamaal.com/jokes/stupid-things-about-desis-21105.htm

Well, around here we just have Punjabis and a few Gujaratis. The 1st generation Punjabis keep to themselves, but some of the younger ones are assimilating to US culture in a very big way. First generation Punjabis males of any age tend to be very masculine and sure of themselves. I would even call them macho. The only reputation they have around here is that the older ones do not want to mingle with Americans, even White Americans, at all. A lot of them are not even very friendly. But a lot of the younger ones are quite friendly.

The 2nd generation Punjabis around here are “Joe Cool” types. They remind me of the surfers that I grew up with. They are some of the coolest dudes in this whole town. They are very, very smart and value intellectual stuff a lot. 2nd generation Punjabi males have all assimilated 100%. They are just like me.

The females do not assimilate too much, and they tend to marry other Punjabis. But a lot of them are very beautiful. The young Punjabi immigrants are often very bright, and they tend to hang out with each other in social groups of males and females.

The males are “Joe Cool” types, the women tend to be beautiful, and they both spend a lot of time in coed study groups. They do not want to mingle much with non-Punjabis. They are very much into studying all the time though. But these are weird “Joe Cool” types that nevertheless study all the time. It is like studying is cool in their culture and not nerdy.

I suppose there are couples among the young people, but you do not see much of that. I have heard though the grapevine that the Punjabi girls are very reluctant to give it up even to Punjabi guys, and they practically want to be virgins until they are married.

We have a few Gujaratis around here who are part of the merchant caste, whatever that is. They are rather uppity and arrogant and really do not associate at all with non-Gujaratis. They are all immigrants. Some of the women are quite beautiful.

Bottom line is around here there are few if any of the “Indian nerd” types. I assume this stereotype exists, but we just do not have that stereotype around here. No one hates Indians around here or thinks they are nerds or anything like that. The only reputation they have is being clannish and sticking to their own kind. There is no downside to the local women in being an Indian male in this town.

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80 responses to “American Born Confused Desis: How True Is the Stereotype?

  1. SHI

    First generation Punjabis males of any age tend to be very masculine and sure of themselves. I would even call them macho.

    Well, that’s the reputation they carry in India as well. Punjabi males because of the macho reputation, are very SUCCESSFUL with girls from anywhere else in India much to the envy of Gujaratis, Bengalis, Maharashtrians, South Indians and every other community. As a result, Punjabi males are negatively perceived to be loud, noisy, braggarts, alcoholics, wife-beaters and as simpletons, peasant-like and unintellectual, like cultural phillistines.

    Personally, I get along great with Punjabis as they are actually the most OPEN-MINDED people you’ll find in India. Punjabis make loyal friends and will stick around with you even when the chips are down. They have a happy-go-lucky mindset and are warm and hospitable.

    Punjabi males are OVER-REPRESENTED in the Indian armed forces. Since Punjab was at the western borders of India, for the last 2000 years, this one state alone has absorbed the brunt of invasions on Indian soil head-along, all the way from Alexander the Great’s India campaign in 326 BC to Islamic invaders – Turks, Moguls from Central Asia, Nadir Shah from Iran, Afghans like Ahmed Shah Abdali.

    While the remaining Indians stood as silent spectators, the Punjabis gallantly fought the invaders. It goes without saying that’s what has created a strong, martial race. They can be many things but not cowardly.

    I suppose there are couples among the young people, but you do not see much of that. I have heard though the grapevine that the Punjabi girls are very reluctant to give it up even to Punjabi guys, and they practically want to be virgins until they are married.

    I can’t understand why they have that sort of reputation in the West. Over here, Punjabi girls are considered the easiest to land because they have no hang-ups at all when it comes to meeting men from the opposite sex. The best times I ever had was with Punjabi girls, I find them much more approachable and easy to seduce.

    I know a Punjabi girl in California, her husband is white American, or maybe Latino. No way to tell.

    The 2nd generation Punjabis around here are “Joe Cool” types. They remind me of the surfers that I grew up with. They are some of the coolest dudes in this whole town.

    I concur. They’re cool to hang out with, and make loyal friends.

    We have a few Gujaratis around here who are part of the merchant caste, whatever that is. They are rather uppity and arrogant and really do not associate at all with non-Gujaratis. They are all immigrants. Some of the women are quite beautiful.

    Gujarati men are assholes just like their male counterparts from the rest of India. They only care about money, in fact their only religion is money. And the girls tend to keep to themselves, some of them are very beautiful but are conservative and bitchy. I’d much rather prefer an open-minded Punjabi girl.

  2. Jason Y

    In general, ,most of the young Indians seem like normal Americans, but the older Indians try to own everything (in western nations), and are only friendly if your profitable to them (buying a lot at thier gas station or hotel etc..)

    Of course, the older Indians are resented and considered arrogant (as they have very conservative standards) In other words, they demand “overkill” in high standards according to local Americans who try to work for them. Not to mention the Americans working for them resent the fact they own everything, and claim they don’t have that right, considering they aren’t American.

    That’s adding to the fact people think there is a conspiracy going on. They think the Indians only own gas stations and hotels cause they get “special government programs”. I suppose similar resentment could be applied to the disabled, whom some might think are getting freebies (in education and other things).

    • Jason Y

      the problem of poverty (as we saw In Uganda, and I could be applied in many parts of America) also leads to Indian resentment.

      If the locals are incredibly poor, even if it could be argued thier laziness and bad choices caused it, they would heavily resent Indians simply due to jealousy and racism (brown people owing everything, while white trash, so to speak (not meaning as an insult), live in rags and must work hard at low wage jobs or get welfare.

      • SHI

        the problem of poverty (as we saw In Uganda, and I could be applied in many parts of America) also leads to Indian resentment.

        If the locals are incredibly poor, even if it could be argued their laziness and bad choices caused it, they would heavily resent Indians simply due to jealousy and racism (brown people owing everything, while white trash, so to speak (not meaning as an insult), live in rags and must work hard at low wage jobs or get welfare.

        God bless the USA in that case. In much of Europe, Middle-East and Australia, Indians aren’t exactly known for being rich or owning businesses. They are at the BOTTOM OF THE LADDER alongside Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Vietnamese, Filipinos and other third world trash-

        In Australia, for instance, there are many students who work illegal double shifts and still don’t make enough. I had a long distance affair with an Australian married lady for a very long time (Robert knows this story :)). She always told me how much she pitied the poor Indians in Oz for being such peasants, serfs and underdogs who have to slave 12 hours a day, week-ends included to make less than the minimum wage of an Aussie. I haven’t been to Australia but I have it on authority from a lot of Aussies that they are the most SPOILED creatures who make shit loads of money and are lazy.

        Aussies are by far the richest Westerners in the world, apart from Canadians. India contributes greatly to the Aussie economy. Indian businessmen like the Adani Group are paying Australia shitloads of money to operate there (their interests are mostly in coal mines and stuff). While at the same time, the Aussie “sheikhs” are paying Indians like 2/5ths of fuck all to do jobs an Aussie wouldn’t even dream of doing. Indians have become like the Mexicans of Australia😦

        You can’t really talk about wages and money with someone from a third world country, when you live in a first world country. You just won’t win.🙂

        India is still a third wold country coz corporate fatcats can pay Indians fucking peanuts and they don’t complain. One could copy/paste the Oxford English dictionary definition of ‘third world country’ to find that India fits just about every essential criteria that makes a country ‘third world’. One of them is a political power or ruling class that screws over it’s piss poor population.

        An Australian can knock off work for the day, and buy a six pack of beers for $20. The average monthly wage in India is the equivalent of $86 Australian. That means an Aussie can drink an Indians weekly wage in beer, just to kill time for an hour or so, and it’s not going to stop him from doing anything else this week. I made this beer comparison because honestly, since it’s a socialist blog, I would like to say THAT’S FUCKED, and it’s third world in every way. Couldn’t be more stark.

        Being born Indian is like winning the 3rd class ticket on a luxury ship like TITANIC. The only thing you can see below deck is overcrowded passengers, less toilets and dirty, unhygienic conditions. LOL.

        Don’t you think it’s a nice interesting analogy comparison. I’m gonna use it sometime.

        • EPGAH

          OK, but you DO admit, it’s like winning a seat on a luxury ship, right?
          Look at Sudan, declared the poorest country on earth.
          Should they be bitching about Indians’ “privilege” at being born in a better country?

          That would be like “winning” a cargo-class ticket in a tramp steamer that trades in illegal exotic pets, don’t you think?
          No onboard meals, no pressurized cabins, and the smell of the animals outweighs the smell of your fellow unhygenic savages!

          The President of Sudan was recently indicted by the ICC, but sought — and received — refuge from the equally kleptocratic South African occupation Government.

    • Jason Y

      Sometimes customers though can be unreasonable with Indians. Kind of like somebody who demands something from a black person, and calls him a nigger if he doesnt get his (the white person’s) way.

      One time this lady demanded booze after hours at an Indian gas station. The Indian refused, and then the lady made some silly story about how her father just died demanding pity. The Indian still refused. I’m sure the lady insulted the Indian once she left calling him a “brown bastard” or whatever bad name they call Indians.

      Was she right though? Does little Mrs. Princess deserve special rights from Indians, simply cause, in her racist mind, the USA is her nation?🙄

      • EPGAH

        You mean the way Blacks sometimes obstreporously demand freebies because their ancestors were slaves?

        This one thinks its Grandma was a slave…Born in 1904, if you do the math, she missed slavery by JUST 50 years!

        Was she right, though? Do non-Blacks OWE Blacks anything they demand simply “Because Slavery”?

        • Jason Y

          Possibly you could use that comparison. In the case of Indians in a mostly white southern town, it would be “Well, we were born in America, and even though were poor, Indians should be kissing our ass, cause, well, Indians have no right to be here anyway. The Indians stay in America isn’t a right, but a privledge.”

        • Jason Y

          That black lady would only be able to bully a white storekeeper in a black neighborhood. She wouldn’t try that in Appalachia.

        • Jason Y

          It’s funny what pussies ethnic groups become when they’re outside thier territory”🙄 In contrast, they bully the shit out of outsiders who set up shop in their area.

        • Jason Y

          Of course I would include whites as being pussies too, when they go outside of “white ethnic areas” like Appalachia, or Utah. But rest assured, once they’re back home, the Dixie flags start flying, and they start picking on non-whites.

        • Jason Y

          I’d say ethnic bullying at the home stadium is just human nature. I wouldn’t make too much of it, or be too sensitive. However, it does explain why if your going to have multi-culturalism, then it has to thorough job, like it is on my college campus. Otherwise it doesn’t work.

          If it’s a mix where 80 percent is one group, and is 20 percent or less of another it could cause problems. It literally has to be so mixed it’s like soup.

          On a college campus, there is literally so many different groups, that everyone is deterred from making chauvanist remarks or being an asshole. Because there would be hell to pay.

        • Jason Y

          Of course, sometimes the person in another culture is unreasonable or sucks (with himself to blame sometimes and other times not)😆

          It’s kind of like on that movie “Do the Right Thing” where Italian resturant owner won’t put up pictures of black people, even though he’s in a black neighborhood all all his customers are black.

          I think putting up some black stuff would have the right thing to do, simply cause the customers are black. The owner was being kind of stubborn and unreasonble. If you do go to another culture, “Do as the Romans do” so to speak. 🙄

        • EPGAH

          What about Mexicans? They get REALLY arrogant on OUR home territory! To use your stadium analogy, remember the last Olympics in Los Angeles, they pelted our Olympic athletes with garbage.
          Or more recently, riots at a school over kids wearing AMERICAN FLAG SHIRTS! This IS still America, if they don’t like our flag, why not leave?

          Their stay here is a privilege, not a right, and sometimes it’s not even that, they just broke in and we haven’t forced them out yet. Is that BECAUSE they’re so aggressive, noone messes with them, or is that aggressiveness BECAUSE we haven’t yet put them in their place–which in most cases, is on the other side of our border?

        • EPGAH

          “The owner was being kind of stubborn and unreasonble. If you do go to another culture, “Do as the Romans do” so to speak.”

          So you think he should put out some free things because Black Culture demands their betters give them freebies?

        • EPGAH

          But I don’t get why you’re picking on whites for not going to college. You work up an assload of debt — maybe even in a STEM field — and H1B scabs have undercut you for a job, so you’re never going to pay it off!

          http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-130.html
          Look at this: ¾ of STEM graduates can’t work in STEM fields.
          And this is from the Government, the one that’s trying to sell us that we have a big “shortage” and we need to bring in MORE Third World scabs, right?

    • Godslayer

      http://www.nyc.gov/html/sbs/nycbiz/html/summary/certification.shtml

      http://smallbusiness.chron.com/tax-incentives-using-minorityowned-business-30659.html

      The federal government provides tax breaks for businesses that use minority companies in procuring materials and supplies. A second tax incentive reduces tax liabilities for companies using minorities that supply labor or services to a project funded with federal or state grants or loans.

      They ARE right.

      Something that is well known is that minority and women businesses get preferential treatment.

      It sucks to be an uneducated white male because owning your own small business is basically suicide because of preferential treatment.

      The reasons why so many small businesses are owned by Indians and east Asians is because they have the iq to jump through the hoops for government programs and due to lack of connections and education, are locked out of many jobs.

      • Jason Y

        Businesses are pretty much open to anyone with startup. But getting startup requires years of work, that is, unless you got good credit and a high paying job.🙄 High paying in this case would have to be a doctor’s salary.

        • Jason Y

          So again is a massive argument against capitalism. People just can’t pay for a college education or startup for a business. It’s practically impossible, However, they’re were always be conservative A holes who will say “You need to work for it sissy-boy. Get off ur lazy ass and clean some toilets.”😆

        • EPGAH

          No, just dismantle the barriers, OR don’t give minorities and women any cracks in the barriers that white males don’t get.
          What’s next, a tax break for being queer?

        • Jason Y

          Quote by ep-gah

          No, just dismantle the barriers, OR don’t give minorities and women any cracks in the barriers that white males don’t get.
          What’s next, a tax break for being queer?

          So do you really believe there is a level playing field? Anyhow, have you ever though maybe the reason we need to break barriers to begin with, is cause our education system stinks, and are jobs have been outsourced?

          The term white male is misleading. Which white males? Some white males are strung up on dope, and fit the minority slacker stereotype.

          Tax break for being queer? 🙄 Actually queers are more hated then you think. They aren’t practicing supermacy. Queers get glared at, beaten up, and talked about all the time.

        • Jason Y

          Quote by ep-gah

          No, just dismantle the barriers, OR don’t give minorities and women any cracks in the barriers that white males don’t get.
          What’s next, a tax break for being queer?

          Do you really think straight white males are are persecuted, at least at the level you say they are?

          Actually, straight white males have plenty of opportunity. They can get scholarships galore, assuming they want to study something in healthcare, math, science and make good grades.

          So who is holding them back? An East Indian? A prancing homosexual?🙄 a Negro?

          Not sure about loans though, there might be some kind of minority advantage, usually taken advantage of by Indian immigrants. Nonetheless, a high paying job from a good degree might be just as good as a loan.

          A lot of this racism just seems to be a scapegoat for the fact so many straight white males have failed in life.

          Even looking at Robert Lindsay, he might support some white nationalist things, but you see that he has a degree, and he’s worked hard all his life, despite charity advantages given to minorities. However, despite all his hard work and pride, he doesn’t give over to conservative thinking.

        • Jason Y

          Besides the fact Mexicans are storming in, which BTW I’m against, straight white males have plenty of opportunities to better themselves, but a lot of them don’t take advantage of anything.

          Note, even the Latinos storming in though, are not taking well paying jobs. They’re not going after educated jobs, cause they don’t have any education. The only threat might be if they go after blue collar work. That seems to be driving a lot of resentment.

        • EPGAH

          Yes, I do, actually, from this:
          http://www.charismanews.com/us/52987-you-won-t-believe-this-gay-father-wants-to-get-married-to-his-gay-son
          This is somehow held up as a GOOD thing, a “right” or a “freedom” that must be defended!

          To this:
          http://www.wsj.com/articles/man-charged-with-killing-3-in-chapel-hill-n-c-1423660668
          Three Moslems jump a white guy in the parking lot, he shoots them and now HE’S up on the Death Penalty…Wait, WHAT?!
          Not only is that a bad B movie scene, it has the wrong ending!
          Society is supposed to be GLAD those thugs that jumped him are dead, not punishing him for defending himself from terrorists!

          If illegals are not going after well-paying jobs, then why are they pushing for — and getting — tuition subsidies down to In-State Levels? They’re not even from THE States, they should pay Out-Of-State Tuition like all our other international students or do without.
          They want the Jobs Americans DO Want — and they want us to pay their way!
          Remember, if they’re after the low-paying jobs, those don’t require a BRAIN, much less a college education. Could the whole “Jobs Americans Don’t Want” thing be a HUGE LIE?

          As to “scholarships galore”, try getting one of those scholarships. Hell, there was even a case where a scholarship was supposed to go to “underprivileged kids” — but they made a kid give it back when he was white!

          And even if there are scholarships, colleges only have a limited number of slots. By Affirmative Action Laws, they’re forced to reserve a certain percentage for underperforming minorities!
          You ever been to a parking lot, and the best slots are reserved for “handicapped” people — some of which walk better than you do? Same thing with the Affirmative Action bullshit.

          And yes, I agree that kids need to get off their ass and scrub toilets. BUT even the ones who are willing are cockblocked by illegals. So what if you’re WILLING to work, if the Boss is not WILLING to pay honest wages for honest work and hires a Third World criminal?

        • EPGAH

          http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/11/09/voter-fraud-alleged-in-dallas-tarrant-counties/
          They finally caught AN illegal committing voter fraud. What do you want to bet she’s not the only one?

  3. Jason Y

    It’s interesting to note 1st generation Irish were hated as much or more than Mexicans. Now, being Irish-American is a joke. Nobody relates it negative in any way, or thinks much of it.

    There are no bad-ass Irish gangs, except maybe on the movie “Departed”. But really, come on, Irish involved in organized crime nowadays?😆 That’s as silly as some movie (Rocky) about a white heavyweight champion.

    Your much more likely to see black, Russian, Mexican gangs, but not Irish.

    • EPGAH

      On the contrary, when Irish speak out against illegals, they’re told to shut up because they were once immigrants themselves.
      THEN they’re called racists!
      Important to get it in the proper order, right?

      Somehow the word “illegal” is completely ignored.

      • Jason Y

        Especially among white nationalists, it’s not about being illegal, but rather being a latino. WNs would prefer to have NO latinos in America at all, legal or illegal.

        • EPGAH

          And that’s a bad thing? Look how they behave, look how they not only resist assimilation, but BRAG about resisting assimilation, and forcing a “New Demographic Order” on US!

          Look what Mexicans did to their own country, then ask yourself why we would want THAT in America?

        • EPGAH

          Hint : supremacism is about ruling over others, survivalism is about staying alive. If a group is worried about its disappearance due to mass-immigration and miscegenation, even outright violence, then they are survivalists and not supremacists. Falsely accusing them of supremacism raises the suspicion that you don’t want them to survive.

        • Jason Y

          Of course Latinos are rolling all over Americans. Americans are delaying child rearing until late in life, mostly due to financial success. That’s why the white population is so low.

          That’s one of the downsides of feminism. But note this problem really has nothing to do with Latinos or blacks.

        • Jason Y

          And that’s a bad thing? Look how they behave, look how they not only resist assimilation, but BRAG about resisting assimilation, and forcing a “New Demographic Order” on US!

          Look what Mexicans did to their own country, then ask yourself why we would want THAT in America?

          So? I didn’t see any guilt trip with white people in wagons, who were storming all over the US and Canada during the 1800s. 🙄

          Well, actually, I don’t blame the white people or even Mexicans now. They’re just taking advantage of an opportunity. The real people to blame are the white people who won’t have kids or improve thier education.

          Look at it this way, you can put some anti-immigration laws up, but how does anybody know if they will really work?

          If the third world is being wrecked by the 1st world, and this situation keeps “normal breeding” Lations from surviving, then of course they’re going to come. And they’re going to keep pounding at the floodgate, until it breaks.🙄

        • EPGAH

          Whites in wagons in the 1800s? There was no country here, they were BUILDING the country! You can’t compare BUILDING a country, taming a savage land and savages ON the land, to moving into an already existing country and stealing their opportunities!

          I would even take your comparison with pioneers if the invaders occupied and eked out their own cities in the uninhabited areas of America.
          But instead, they invade already established cities putting unpaid burdens on their betters’ infrastructure, especially California’s water supply.

          Basically, if you build a house, then someone else breaks in, are they lazy burglars or “Just taking advantage of an opportunity”? Our opportunities are OURS to share or not at OUR choice, not THEIRS to STEAL if THEY choose. Do you get the difference?

    • EPGAH

      Also, did you ever watch “Death Wish”, THE vigilante movie? In the book, the thugs were Black and Mexican. In the movie, they “magically” became Irish. How’d that happen?

      Could that be a subtle accusation of Irish who haven’t been a problem since we started encouraging police brutality?
      As opposed to say, those currently the problem because we leash the cops when they whine ABOUT police brutality?

      • Jason Y

        People always need somebody to hate. Note, the Irish are as white as snow, but back in the 1800s, there was no Mexican invasion, and blacks were kept under control in the south, so they had to hate somebody.🙄

  4. Jason Y

    Quote by Ep-gah

    So you think he should put out some free things because Black Culture demands their betters give them freebies?

    No, that had nothing to do with what I was saying. I said a place should respect the culture. Putting up at least a few black things in a restaurant in a black neighborhood,where all the customers are black is just good business.

  5. Jason Y

    If straight white males didn’t fail in ife they would have the income to have more kids. If they had more kids, we wouldn’t even have any immigration problems.

    I like a prick saying that, but it’s true though. I think a big thing holding the white race, is the fact they can’t afford to have a lot of kids, so they don’t.

    But who’s holding white people back, considering they simply have to excell at some high in demand blue collar job, or get an in-demand degree, and they”re set with high pay, enough to raise 5 or 6 kids on average.

    Some will say feminism is to blame, but not really. It’s the man of the house who is failing. His income isn’t high enough.

    • Jason Y

      Or then again maybe it’s the opposite, leading to a smaller white family. The following article seems to say prosperity has caused women to delay child rearing:

      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14942047/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/census-us-household-size-shrinking/#.VkPeY3arSM8

      So If Americans are over-fed on money, how is that the fault of Latinos, or blacks, etc.. ??

    • EPGAH

      Wrong. Whites have fewer kids ON PURPOSE, either out of ecological guilt or TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR THEM ALL!

      We can’t afford to have a lot of kids because our taxes go to support the mega-breeders.
      We have as many kids as we can afford.
      They ALSO have as many kids as WE can afford. Do you see the problem with that formula?

      • Jason Y

        It doesn’t take a lot to support 6 kids. The real motive on the part of white people’s lack of children is selfishness. Note, If they study hard, they can always get a better blue or white collar job. In that case, funding 6 kids, instead of selfish pleasure is a real possibility.

    • EPGAH

      Think of it this way: If Blacks have 6 kids, none of the kids gets enough parental supervision, and they end up attacking a cop and getting shot.
      If WHITES had 6 kids, the kids would not get enough parental supervision and THEY might attack a cop and get shot.

      Having more kids is increasing the chances they will fail in life as you put it!

      • Jason Y

        No not really. That’s a dumb argument.🙄 A black kid is more likely to be raised in a bad home, while a white kid is not. A litter of white kids is more likely to be like the Waltons family, than a bunch of inner city black ones.

        • EPGAH

          Oh, so you think it’s something innate to the race, rather than division of resources? Now who’s the racist?

          Seriously, how much money do you have? Imagine dividing it 2 ways, then imagine dividing it 6 ways.

          Or imagine how much MORE time you can spend with ONE or TWO kids vs. a great big litter. Two hours a day for two kids is 4 hours, easily scheduled. Two hours a day for SIX kids is TWELVE hours. You’ll either have to skip work or skip sleep.

          The Waltons are either a non-sequitur or proof of MY point, not yours.
          How do you think they GOT so rich? Probably by NOT dividing the wealth as many ways as they could?

  6. Jason Y

    Some aspects of the feminist agenda are good things, but the emphasis on late child rearing is dangerous, as it promotes immigration. Without a large replacement population, the US is more open to bringing in outsiders.

    • Jason Y

      But then again the man of the house (straight white male) taking full advantage of educational opportunity can possibly make so much money, that the woman can stay at home.

    • Beheading is painless

      Wrong when it comes to femenism.

      Feminism is natural at this stage of the developmental phase of civilisation. After femenism comes the collapse. So that is natural. Then the cycle repeats itself into the patriarchy phase where women are property, then to the chivalourous phase where women have agency and get men to work for their benefit, while men become more and more akin to disposable workhorses for their families in this pair bonding phase. So just accept femenism. It is the destruction of the pair bonding chivalourous phase in preparation for the collapse of western civilisation. It is just a natural phase.

      At my school that I teach at, called
      Zulu Lesbian’s Unicorn Playtime,
      usually
      after an hour’s lesson, we rest the unicorns while I teach a feminist class in order to get everyone to relax. We focus on the destruction of the present society, which we wrongly called patriarchal. This content makes the femenists ecstatic. But only I am aware of the cyclical nature of civilisation, which makes me, in my mind, walk all the way back to India on the rainbow in the sky above the feeding unicorns.

      So,relax, you too can join the Zulu lesbian unicorn riding class being held below a rainbow;that opens up various portals to other places in the world, when you get up and go for a walk on it.

      • Jason Y

        Beheading, as with most Muslims, you hate feminism, but you want immigration by Muslims into the 1st world. From a conservative POV, it seems like both are doing massive damage. Assuming your conservative, of course.

        • Beheading is painless

          No I am extreme left, though not communist.In fact I find this blog somewhat right wing but I do keep trying to help people become more respectful, sensitive, and politically correct.

          Femenists are a natural outcome of an advanced civilisation. Nothing wrong here. Immigration is important due to the aging and barren west which refuses to breed the next generation.

          Muslims are excellent people with a religion of peace, even according to the right wing. It was the shrub, George Bush who introduced the formula, Islam is the religion of peace. Now the first melatto president, Obama, who is too right wing fo my liking, but who nevertheless sings the praises of this excellent religion every chance he gets. Good for him. Obama and Bush are wonderfully left wing when it comes to Islam.

        • Beheading is painless

          Now having said that about Islam and femenism remember these two aspects presage the collapse, along with the Mexicans, Chinese and East Indians etc in the US.

          As I see it this natural, so I am not bothered. It is the way is it is.

          Feminism and diversity presage the collapse but as this is natural it makes mores sense to embrace the collapse and become much more PC, cultural relativist, sensitive and respectful. Why be angry it takes too much effort. Listen to it the feminists talk about the patriarchy and listen to the Muslims extol the religion of peace. Hell get ready for a double dose of Islamic and femenist indoctrination from Hilary as pres. It is natural. The collapse of western civilisation is just natural. The signs are all around;just embrace the chaos and welcome it. Getting stressed is not going to help. Just enjoy the collapse as an intellectual exercise.

        • Beheading is painless

          Soooooo as th Zulu Lesbian’s ride their unicorns in the midday sun, and then stop to refresh the unicorns at a gentle stream, they are happy in their bubble.

          Meanwhile outside their bubble civilisation is in a state of rage and chaos and destruction.

    • EPGAH

      But WHY are we “more open to bringing in outsiders”? A lower population is actually a GOOD thing in an allegedly high-tech automated society. We need fewer, but smarter, people, not a mass of mindless mostly-Mexican Muscle, right?
      Ever seen Back To The Future? In 1955, there was an ARMY of gas station attendants. Now you do it all yourself. You can even PAY at the pump!
      (Except in Oregon, where gas station attendants are MANDATORY, but that’s really stupid and the other 49 States do not MANDATE obsolete positions!)

      Or do you also consider a high unemployment number to be our key to economic recovery?

      As to “possibly make so much money, that the woman can stay at home.”, how can you type on the Internet way back there in the 50s? Once women entered the workforce, the workforce basically doubled, and wages lowered to match.

      The only way someone could afford now to have a one-income household is to BE one of those Evil 1%…And those guys STAY rich by HAVING FEW KIDS!

      Beheading’s right, letting in all these enemies to offset our lower population IS a magic rainbow! It opens up a portal to Ancient Rome, just before the collapse under the weight of all the barbarians they let in, “Only Here To Work”, right?

      • Jason Y

        Well, the solution is always a better education. However, either our schools are failing, or people are lazy, or a combo of both. I know for a fact, thousands of high paying math, heathcare, and science jobs are available. Enough to offset the fact women are in the workforce or whoever.

        Again, people don’t want to do hard stuff because they’re lazy or low self esteem. A lot of the excuse, is, “I’m not smart.” or some other lame reason. :roll

        Give me a break, Latinos or not coming in, women or not being in the workforce, who thinks a fast food job is a lifestyle?🙄

        • Jason Y

          Sometimes, myself, I visit a family restaurant (one with tips), and I could understand why the waiter and waitresses would resent Mexicans. But then again, I spoke with one of the waiters (who is a community college student), and somehow math got into the conversation. Again, his excuse was “I’m not smart enough.”🙄

        • EPGAH

          So you think we should discriminate against ourselves in favor of our invaders, because some whites are stupid or lazy?

          If our invaders want to pursue a degree, or breed a shitload, both are fine, but you never explained why whites should pay for our enemies’ aspirations?

      • Jason Y

        Quote by Ep-gah

        But WHY are we “more open to bringing in outsiders”? A lower population is actually a GOOD thing in an allegedly high-tech automated society. We need fewer, but smarter, people, not a mass of mindless mostly-Mexican Muscle, right?
        Ever seen Back To The Future? In 1955, there was an ARMY of gas station attendants. Now you do it all yourself. You can even PAY at the pump!
        (Except in Oregon, where gas station attendants are MANDATORY, but that’s really stupid and the other 49 States do not MANDATE obsolete positions!)

        America is wrecking the third world. That’s why low wage uneducated Lations are storming in. They weren’t storming in during the 70s and 80s, and note, this was AFTER the 1965 immigration act. From what I could tell, the border back then, as many drug runners will testify, was open.

        • EPGAH

          Actually, it DID start after 1965, they realized they COULD come in, and at first it WAS slow — seeming to prove that “promise” right –but the more that were here, the more they pulled others of their kind in.

          BUT even if you believe we “wrecked” the Third World, by your own admission, America didn’t “wreck the Third World” until what, the 90s?
          So what changed? What flipped the switch and turned it from a trickle to a Poseidon Adventure?

        • EPGAH

          PS, Operation Wetback proves they were storming in before the 50s even!
          How many MILLION did Operation Wetback deport? And that was back when the population of BOTH countries was far lower!

  7. Jason Y

    The Amerindians and Aborigines provide a good model of how a people can be overrun. As I was reading somewhere, the invasion couldn’t be stopped cause the white people in wagons kept coming, and had large families.

    Of course, adding to that fact was low disease resistance among the natives, Nonetheless, various aspects of native culture helped greatly in their destruction. Some include resistance to education and modern thinking and, as was stated, small families.

    • Jason Y

      Note, the Japanese gladly adopted modern thinking and education, and this lead to their advancement.

      • EPGAH

        Yes, the Japanese DID accept advancement and education after our second nuke broke their Superiority Complex, they admitted OUR ways are better and wanted to learn them.

        And no, you can’t compare Latino invasion to America’s founding. We give our invaders money and food to help them beat us, the savage version of Welfare was sending us poison arrows.
        THE SAVAGES DID NOT HELP US INVADE LIKE WE HELP THE LATINOS! Do you deny this?
        And where do you get that the savages believed in small families?
        I was under the impression they bred as much as they could, because Lord Darwin would kill a few of them and they needed the spares to continue existing.

        Also, please note the difference between subsistence-farming societies and modern mass-farming societies. In one, having more kids is an asset, in the other, it’s an expense. Guess which is which?

      • EPGAH

        Mexicans and especially Blacks, do NOT accept modern thinking and education, this leads to them NOT advancing and bitching about “racism” and demanding we give up our better lives to make it “equal”.

        Some of the more ambitious kill us and STEAL our better lives — but quickly break what they steal. This is why they “Can’t Have Nice Things”™!

  8. Jason Y

    We don’t need more Latino immigration. Nonetheless, only white people with low education are actually threatened by them. And whites with low education often are lazy or have low self esteem, or somehow (and this was beyond their control) the education system failed them.

    Well, there is some threat in the blue collar workforce from Mexicans. However, what I saw on TV, it seems like there are a lot of blue collar fields open, which require a little more education, that can’t be touched by Latinos. Stuff in computers, motorcycle repair, welding etc…

    Once a white guy has obtained a career in these fields, then there really isn’t nothing stopping him from having 6 kids and reversing the “Latino” takeover trend.

    • Jason Y

      Could it be drugs holding white people down? Might be a possiblity. I mean, why aren’t they getting a blue collar or white collar education? It’s too difficult to do, but somehow a lot of white people aren’t in their right mind. Seriously.🙄

      Or maybe like blacks, the whites are being punished heavily by unfair drug laws. This would prevent thier advancement in education etc..

      • EPGAH

        None of this would even be an ISSUE if we didn’t have MASSIVE bitching — and sometimes outright riots — by the losers over “racism”, “White Privilege”, etc., and ultimately getting the Government to steal from the winners to make the losers “winners” — or at least feel better, squandering their betters’ money as well as their own.

        As to unfair drug laws, are you just trolling on that?

    • EPGAH

      Whites could indeed breed more, BUT:
      1.) Feminism makes women seek school and careers of their own. By the time they’re ready to have families — if ever — they’re past safe childbearing age. (The older you get, the more likely for defects.)
      2.) Whites have to pay more taxes, especially if we try to escape the infested areas of town, leaving less money for kids. PLUS, our taxes go to subsidize our genetic rivals’ mega-breeding habits!

    • EPGAH

      The only way to “reverse the Latino takeover” is to KICK THEM OUT!
      They breed exponentially, and more are pouring in all the time, we can’t win.
      Why would we even WANT to breed as much as the poor filth who come to steal a better life anyways? Let’s say we outbreed them, how many HUNDRED MILLION does that add to the population? Where would we find jobs for them all? Or is that your idea, you want whites to be as poor and numerous as our enemies?

      In October:
      Total employment rose 320,000, up by 0.2%
      Native-born American employment rose by 198,000, up by 0.2%
      Foreign-born employment rose by 122,000 – up by 0.5%
      Immigrant employment grew 0.5% in October—two and one-half times the 0.2% growth in native-born American employment. Still, October was better, relatively speaking, than August or September, when native-born Americans lost actually jobs and immigrants gained them.

      Since July:
      Total employment has risen 280,000, up by 0.2%
      Native-born American employment has declined by 175,000, down by 0.1%
      Foreign-born employment rose by 455,000 – up by 1.9%

      If these numbers do not look familiar, it is because the Main Stream Media ignore them. The MSM folks focus on the Payroll Employment Survey, which does not collect information on the nativity of workers—perhaps because companies do not ask, and do not want to know. Many feign ignorance on the number of illegal aliens in their employ.
      The ones that do ask are sued for discrimination!
      Wait, what?!

      We have H1B Indentured Servants ruining the upper-echelon job prospects,and illegals chipping away at us from below. Once again, we need to step up our game, not on breeding, but on law-enforcement.

      We could use the military to kick out the illegals, and actually ENFORCE E-Verify.
      We don’t need a “huge network of informants”, as some have claimed, since 60+% of them are illegally using our Welfare, hospitals, and even voting, just follow the money to the parasites. Repeat offenders get shot, and the word spreads, instead of a great place to steal opportunities from their betters, it’s a great place to get the head they’re not using removed! This will stop more from invading, right? Or will we finally get to put paid to our own desperate people dying while waiting for organs…?

      Think of it: 20-50 MILLION illegals suddenly BECOMING an opportunity — instead of stealing one — for 119,000 waiting for an organ.
      It would solve the problem of illegals killing 12 Americans per day, AND 18 people dying for lack of organs!
      Win-win, right?

  9. Jason Y

    Note, my family was 4 kids and my dad was in the military. His family was around 8 kids, and my mom’s family was 5. Of couirse, this was in Appalachia and before the sexual revolution. However, it was considered normal, not a big deal. A 5 to 10 member family was average.

    • Jason Y

      Looking at the modern age, my brother’s wife had 2 kids and had 1 more 20 years later. However, and this goes to selfishness again, my brother makes 100,000 a year or more.🙄 Your telling me he can’t afford 8 to 10 kids. He can very easily.

      • Jason Y

        Actually he (my brother) might make 200,000 a year as he has advanced to head of a company.🙄

        • EPGAH

          Bragging aside, this has no relevance. We obviously can’t ALL be company heads. The “Wobegon” Principle?

      • EPGAH

        Selfishness, huh? You mean making a few kids who are going to inherit great wealth, rather than a litter who would be a lot worse off than their parents? Like I said, having fewer children concentrates wealth.

        Nonwhites are always bitching that they’re “poor” but they keep having more kids to ENSURE they STAY poor. Maybe they need to be more “selfish” — I mean with THEIR OWN resources, they’re doing a great job being selfish with ours!

        You previously denigrated Appalachians as rednecks, so why are you suddenly holding them up as a great example. Is there a secret community of RICH Appalachians? Do you have documented proof?

      • EPGAH

        Yes, he might be able to afford 8-10 kids, but think how much worse their inheritance would be than just the 2 kids he has now. It’s single-digit division. Come on, grab a calculator, since you must be no good at math!

        By limiting kids, he concentrates wealth, and makes SURE their lives will be fucking amazing. THIS is the so-called “White Privilege” — it’s caused by whites’ choices. Nonwhites make the opposite choice and bitch that their lives are worse. But it’s their CHOICES that made it so, not some white magic!

    • EPGAH

      Yes, if he had had 8 kids, how much worse would your life be from a “starting point” perspective?
      He could only invest HALF as much into you, from toys to education.
      Plus, you’d have more siblings stealing and breaking your shit as you grew up, right?

      Did you ever think he LEARNED from his 8-kid Hell lifestyle, and didn’t WANT to subject you to that?

  10. I had a 2nd generation Gujarati friend. He was a really cool guy, highly assimilated, and was in a (sexual) relationship with an attractive girl from a different caste which he was hiding from his parents. The parents cared about caste but in his second gen social world, it wasn’t really a big thing and they all mixed. I noticed that his attitude was very accepting of homosexuality, and he was a fairly masculine guy.

    I know some second generation Bangladeshi Muslims too. Really lovely nice guys, very friendly, and they are very assimilated in some ways (big fans of the local football team, lots of friendships with white British people) but they still had arranged marriages and they go to the mosque and refrain from pork and alcohol (although they happily serve alcohol).

    From my experience, my feeling is that Hinduism is less of a barrier to full assimilation.

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