How Can We Explain High IQ Increases in Blacks Who Move to the West?

US and British Blacks get a 6-9 point IQ boost somehow just from living in the West. In US Blacks, their skulls even got better. There may also have been some epigenetic changes, as US Blacks now seem to have a phenotype or even genotype IQ of ~85. When US Blacks came here, they probably had ~70 IQ’s. If US Blacks would have stayed in Africa, they would probably have ~70 IQ’s. White admixture only explains six points of the difference in Black-White IQ’s in the US and only one point of the seven point B-W difference in the UK. The other nine points in the US and six points in the UK are completely unexplained.

IQ Scores Before and After Western Move           
               On arrival After West
US Blacks      70?        85**
British Blacks 79         86***

* Move to the West means different things for US and UK Blacks. In US Blacks, Before West refers to the intelligence of US slaves in Africa before they were enslaved and shipped to the West. In the UK, it refers to the mass movement of Jamaicans to the UK, mostly occurring soon after WW2. Before West means their IQ’s in Jamaica last century before they moved to the UK, and After West is the scores of the children of the original immigrants who were born and raised in the UK.

** Six points of the 15 point increase in US Blacks can be explained by White admixture, assuming US Blacks are 20% White.

** *Note that one point of the seven point Black increase in the UK may be due to increased White admixture acquired in the UK. Jamaican Blacks seem to be 9% White, and UK Jamaican Blacks are 13% White.

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99 responses to “How Can We Explain High IQ Increases in Blacks Who Move to the West?

  1. Jason Y

    Possibly, there is less in-family breeding than in Africa. I’d say the low IQ of medevil European peasants could also be blamed for the same reason Note, it had/has zero to do with a “reaction to climate”. (and the climate in Medivil Europe was harsh, often harsher than in Roman times)

    Also, as a lesser influence, you simply had a better environment than in Africa.

    Think about it. Euro people are the ancestors of those medevil peasants. Obviously those peasants were semi-retarded. So how did they genetically rise to become the modern Euro people?🙄

    • Jason Y

      To say the envionment is totally to blame for the IQ increase from Africa to the New World is ludicrous. Something else is going on, a missing element, and it isn’t all due to mixture with white people.

      Well looking back at low IQ medevil Euro peasants, Did they fuck a superior people to become the high IQ people they are now??🙄
      No, not to my knowledge. However, considering the genetic source of much of IQ, there had to be something genetic going on as Europe progressed.

      • Well the thing about Medieval Europe was that due to corruption via Feudalism, many parts economically resembled modern Africa for example.

        Though not all of them were stupid, for some (though typically the privilege) went to Christian universities that eventually brought forth a new age of innovation and the return of formal education that caused new economic activity that started shaping the potential that lied in the surf populations.

        However keep in mind that despite this they still had those selective pressure from long ago, so the may’ve not had a low IQ’s as modern SS Africans but I’m not sure. This might be your Genetic info.

        • Jason Y

          So what? Harsh genetic pressure exists among Eskimos, yet no high IQ. How much harsh can it get then that Arctic cold?

        • Jason Y

          The genetic pressure idea is baloney. That women in harsh climates are selecting the most smart and athletic studs, and this improves the gene pool. The reality is that in a lot of colder places, Ireland, medevil Europe etc.. and even where I live in Appalachia, you see a lot of cousin marriage, as people were/are unable to travel.

        • Jason Y

          Who was the smart stud on the medevil Euro plantation?😆 There wasn’t any. No football hero.😆 They were all dumb as doorbells. There was no way for them to genetically rise, other stop dating thier cousin.

        • Well technically their IQ, as Robert stated, is at 91 which is a fair one.

          The lower IQ though is due to an effect where mental adaptation for such a land with few distinct reference point require an increased spatial memory which would drain IQ, this is evident in older Austroloid Skulls being larger than Modern ones.

          Well know that you mention what harsher Climates will force onto selection, African Blacks are smarter than their ancestral Capoid populations but that’s dependent on HOW smart you have to be and WHAT the resources are.

          In Cold climates, you are limited to only meat from animals (hence the association of Cold Eurasian populations with Red Meat) while in Africa you had a variety of game and vegetation so the hunt for food wasn’t as much as a struggle and selecting for different traits.

          In regards to how common incest is, well, as far as I know incest probably just halts IQ elevation rather than regress it and even then you’ll find the Eurasian groups having higher averages than Sub Saharans.

          Also, I DON’T DENY that incest plays a role and I OBJECT that white admixture alone explains the case of these groups that only have a limited proportion compared to other of similar IQ levels.

          If incest halts AND better selection happens in Africa then boom, if things go smooth enough of course you’ll see change in IQ. It’s all in the understanding in how the suppression works.

          However. Robert has introduced me to epigenetics so I’ll look into that and see what possible hypothesis could arise from that.

      • It’s called Hybrid Vigor.

    • Jason Y

      Even if the increase in black IQ was due to white admixture, it doesn’t explain how they became so called “dumb” in Africa to begin with. However, looking at the Islamic model (50 pecent first cousin marriage, massive birth defects, and low IQ), we see that incest probably played a huge role in “genetic oppression” of Africans.

  2. My belief is that due to a combination of White admixture giving more IQ variance in their gene pool, and adopting a new culture and breeding style that created a Eugenic “engine” to produce Higher IQ’s but due to many lesser spectrum Blacks having better fertility than Higher spectrum Blacks it acts as eugenic and dysgenic forces acting simultaneously.

    I find it weird how the only Black populations with white admixture alone are at mulatto levels of admixture like Cuba. However, due to cultural and economic differences and “engine” probably wasn’t as well developed as U.S or British Black populations.

    To me this somewhat correlates. Any other thoughts?

    • Jason Y

      How does anyone know though that it wasn’t about high IQ blacks breeding more, but more about the fact they left African villages where incest marriage was probably common. Even the African commenter on the “Pre-Igbo civilization” post admitted many African tribes practiced cousin incest.

      • I would be that “African” you are referring to and no, I’m not actually African but fairly well read.

        But like I said I’m agnostic on what groups did but I’m sure many did or do practice that or don’t select for more progressive traits.

        Plus it even possible that such an event that I described is occurring in parts of Africa but at a much smaller scale due to lacking more prominent upper classes.

        Plus, the example of an exceptional tribe that I gave was the Bamileke but it wasn’t just that they did do incest but their culture valued predisposition and individual success, probably contributing to their reputation of business owners.

        • Jason Y

          True how do you know that the thier respect for education, biz success etc.. didn’t come from the higher IQ? If they didn’t have the higher IQ, then the odds are, they wouldn’t value those progressive ideas.

          it’s kind of like those who say, “Well, are Northeast Asians smart cause of the culture (which values education etc..), or the inborn IQ?” Which came from which? Did the cart come before the horse, or visa versa?

        • Jason Y

          Does anyone see a low IQ group that values progressive ideas? One that simply sees the best way to survive is via ways, other than begging, stealing, or crime? So it would seem an inborn high IQ would come before the acceptance of progressive ideas for the most part.

        • Jason Y

          Quote by Phil

          Plus it even possible that such an event that I described is occurring in parts of Africa but at a much smaller scale due to lacking more prominent upper classes.

          I doubt if they are selecting, as much as they are simply avoiding incest. For instance, medevil Euripeans wern’t selecting for anything when they rose out of thier low IQ situation. They simply became gradually more modern, literate, and began to avoid incestuous marriage more.

        • How they got it? possibly they could’ve been a cluster that had such a mutation with the population or they were influenced by outside groups in terms of culture.
          “I doubt if they are selecting, as much as they are simply avoiding incest. For instance, medevil Euripeans wern’t selecting for anything when they rose out of thier low IQ situation. They simply became gradually more modern, literate, and began to avoid incestuous marriage more.”

          Quote by Jason

          And HOW did they become more literate?! NEW ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL PRESSURE INTRODUCED BY THE HIGHER SOCIETY. This causing them to SELECT.

        • EPGAH

          The selection changed BASED ON SOCIETY! As society gets more advanced, muscle and running ability become LESS important, and intelligence and computational ability become MORE important!

          This has a feedback loop: As people get smarter, they’ll avoid stupid people, push for society to advance even further/faster, which MORE advantages the smart people.

          However, in the Civilized World, we have a DYSGENIC cycle where we let in a MESS of stupid people, fund their breeding, and they push for society to dumb down so they can catch up. The dumber society is, the more brawn triumphs over brain, and the next generation’s group of politicians promise to do even MORE for the stupid ingrate invaders, instead of the increasingly rare smart people that would drive forward society!

          I’m more interested in what reversed everything.

        • Of course EPAGH, that is coherent and resembles my thoughts and that likely what happened to the Bamileke and or Igbo for I’ve recently found on HBD Chick’s site and articles on IQ variance in Africa that they also outbreed and developed a rep at success.

          However, whether it was outside influence of new pressures or a rise of a new mutation is beyond my understanding for how their society changed.

    • I doubt white admixture played much of a role in the black american IQ average. Like with the Metizos there is a gender bias where the white admixture is from white males. Fathers have little to say when it comes to IQ and heritability, unlike mothers.

      • Jason Y

        No, that sounds ridicuous.🙄 Genetic traits come equally from mom and dad. Can you back what you say with proof?

        • Man of Sin

          I explained that in the other thread. Guess I’ll have to repost them.

          There are actually several studies saying that mixed people with white mothers have IQs around the white average. Which supports what this article says:

          https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201002/identical-genetically-different-and-why-you-can-thank-your-mother

          It’s because there was an extreme sex bias when miscegenation took place in Latin America centuries ago as shown by both history and genetic studies. Male spainards came to the Americas with little to no Spanish women. So they took Amerindian or African slaves as wives. As the article I posted states: medical geneticists have long suspected the heribitable aspect of IQ predominantly comes from your mother, not your father—especially if you are male.This is reflected by the Mestizo IQ average being close to the Amerindian IQ average. There was also a study done in the 1970s showing that mulatto children with black mothers had an IQ average of 96, which is close to the black child IQ average of 92.

        • EPGAH

          This is something like what Darwin himself tried to explain, using Hinny and Mule as standins for the different races!

      • Santoculto

        Ye, it was the colonial patterns, white males procreating with ”non-white” females.

  3. Jason Y

    Quote by Phil

    And HOW did they become more literate?! NEW ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL PRESSURE INTRODUCED BY THE HIGHER SOCIETY. This causing them to SELECT.

    I’m sure some natural selection exists. However, incest trumps everything else considered, so much that it makes “natural selection” irrelevant.

    It was/is mostly incest holding the world down in IQ. What are the odds that most non-industrial cultures have a huge problem with it? We know the Arab world does at 50 percent.

    Medevil peasants and probably most people who live in the pre-industrial world, don’t travel far from home (The typical medevil peasant only traveled 10 or 20 miles from home in his/her whole life.). What selection is there, and what is the odds, though maybe even unintentional, they’re dating cousins?

    • Jason Y

      The fall of feudalism, I’m sure led to more natural selection (as far as girls dating smart guys vs dumb ones). However, more importantly, it lead to a vast decrease in incest, which was the real culprit behind the increase in IQ.

      In fact, the odds are that two low IQ people free of incest might produce children better than themselves.

      • I did research, both the Igbo and Bamileke don’t marry close cousins. And like I said, incest DOES affect IQ but without pre existing or following pressures the IQ won’t just skyrocket.

  4. Jason Y

    Quote by phil

    Well know that you mention what harsher Climates will force onto selection, African Blacks are smarter than their ancestral Capoid populations but that’s dependent on HOW smart you have to be and WHAT the resources are.

    In Cold climates, you are limited to only meat from animals (hence the association of Cold Eurasian populations with Red Meat) while in Africa you had a variety of game and vegetation so the hunt for food wasn’t as much as a struggle and selecting for different traits.

    So what the Eskimo IQ is only 91. The Alaskan native IQ is only 87,

    • The earlier pressure during expansion only do so much, MULTIPLE pressure THROUGHOUT time contributes to modern high IQ’s.

      Lower spectrum people like the Eskimos only went through so many.

      • Jason Y

        I think Phil is stretching it a little bit. How do you know the Eskimos only went thru so many? Sounds like a fantasy story is being told.

        • By multiple pressure I meant level of sociological change as Europe and or Asia had went through, and to my knowledge Eskimos DIDN’T experience such pressure of such magnitude, and even then without it there IQ isn’t bad.

          Of course this isn’t always the case, because despite Africans being involved in sociological changes with introduction to trade and what not they still have lower IQ than Eskimos so the magnitude of each pressure event matters too.

          Also, their is also the collecting of IQ from different groups as well that become part of their genepool thus having higher variance.

          EPAGH/Santoculto, you’ve dealt with people like Jason far longer than I have so how about you pitch in, cause despite all the reason I toss he only comes back with weaker arguments. But if you’re tired like I am then by all means lets just let him persist in his constant piling of nonconstructive comments on “incest”, “medieval times”, “eskimos”, “racism”, and “Peasants becoming modern semi Europeans.”

        • Jason Y

          EPAGH/Santoculto, you’ve dealt with people like Jason far longer than I have so how about you pitch in, cause despite all the reason I toss he only comes back with weaker arguments. But if you’re tired like I am then by all means lets just let him persist in his constant piling of nonconstructive comments on “incest”, “medieval times”, “eskimos”, “racism”, and “Peasants becoming modern semi Europeans.”

          But I’m right. All this Darwinian stuff is just an attempt to say that low IQ is genetically incurable, hence, it’s saying that the white and northeast oriental races will dominate for all history and into the future, and they’re justified, much as a lion is justifed as “king of the jungle”.

          But the wall keeping up this phony crap is very weak, and it can fall very easily, cause it’s not based on Darwinian evolution, in the way Epgah and the others see Darwinian evolution.

          The opponents of what I’m saying are ignoring incest, cause that whole idea I was talking about, smashes their worldview of white and oriental intelluctual supremacy. A supremacy which according to Santoculto and others is unbreakable, at least not for millions of years.

        • EPGAH

          Whites are going downhill WITHOUT incest, to the point that COLLEGE students can’t answer questions from a high-school test 100 years ago.
          How do you explain this, sans “Incest” which seems to be your answer for their genetic disadvantage.

          Anyone can improve, question is, do they want to, or do they want to dumb down the world to their Level?

          Africans only destroyed the Civilized World colonies in Africa, Japan was NUKED TWICE! Japan’s miracle recovery was not sui generis, they listened to American industrial experts, up to and including Deming!
          http://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/w-edwards-deming

          Non-Asian nonwhites have a pathological aversion to listening to experts — if they don’t order them murdered — so they will improve a lot lot slower.
          Will they be satisfied with improving slowly?
          Or will they just give up and revel in stupidity like the Civilized World cultures are now?

  5. Jason Y

    quote by phil

    And HOW did they become more literate?! NEW ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL PRESSURE INTRODUCED BY THE HIGHER SOCIETY. This causing them to SELECT.

    Note the Catholic church and feudalist rules did not want smart peasants, and the limited gene pool present on the farm insured nobody would become smarter, even if given access to literacy.

    • Maybe during the Middle Ages, but I was actually referring of that period of more Liberation from Catholic restraints and reconstruction of society known as the Renaissance!

  6. Jason Y

    The reason I come so strongly against the “climate reaction idea of low IQ” is cause it’s generally used by racists to say IQ is unchangeable (unless your talking about millions of years), and hence justifies never-ending racist domination

    However, the “incest view of low IQ” would allow populations to rise in IQ much quicker. However, the downside is the opposite is true. IQs, given access to incest, will fall just as fast.

    All in all, racists are on some insane binge to show a vast proportion of the human population are monkeys/zombies beyond hope. That benefits the so called “master race” as it gives them an elitist position, which they pompously get off on.🙄

    • Jason Y

      When you typical racist southern USA person says “God made blacks that way (dumb etc..)” what he really means is, evolution over millions of years has literally put African IQ in an unchangeable state. As it took millions of years to become dumb, it would take millions of years to become smart (or better yet there is no evolution and God simply made blacks dumb🙄 )

      Can’t you see how the racist person loves this idea, as his power is never threatened? He will always be the master.

    • Well……….they’re words are biased bullshit. Any honest HDB’r can tell you a change in IQ, even without Admixture, is a possiblity but under certain circumstances is what causes it.

      Racist might generalize the idea, but that doesn’t make the concept invalid.

      And correct that incest does effect IQ, but INCEST ALONE won’t cause everything in a population to be ineffiecent. The Ashanti for example did it they formed one of the most efficient and centralized precolonial states.
      Though it is possible different styles of incest existed.

    • So I’ll give you this Jason, incest probably contributes to the low IQ but what I have issue with is ignoring notable pressures.

    • Santoculto

      ”The reason I come so strongly against the “climate reaction idea of low IQ” is cause it’s generally used by racists to say IQ is unchangeable (unless your talking about millions of years), and hence justifies never-ending racist domination”

      ”racists”’

      over mega master ultra plus generalization made by Jay.🙂

      pre-jugment boy**
      🙂

      ”iq” don’t exist in the real, i think you are trying to say ”intelligence”.

      Why this obsession by ”black race”, why not aboriginals* why not amerindians Jay* why not irish travellers**

      Higher ”intelligence” in overall human context, seems, mean lower GOOD sense (and not common sense).

      Bad people tend to be clever.

      One of the reasons that fauna e flora still exuberant in Africa is exactly because lack of precious ”intelligence”.

      Who deny that some people can become smarter via selective pressures is denying the basics of darwinian theory,😉

      I’m favour to global eugenics but not to create ”hbds”, fake empathetic, MANY them, seems, unfortunately.

      • Yeah, as much as black pathology exists there are still traits in blacks that I like that even Jared Taylor commends.

        The way many are social and “warm” compared to what Robert describes as “Cold”.

        This is likely a trait due to collective nature. Eurasians generally became more predisposed and adopted more introverted tendencies, but Blacks still retain the communal nature thing because even when aspects like agriculture and trade developed they sort of took those route through “short cuts” (while proto agriculture existed de novo, they also have technique from foreign origin) and didn’t develop the same type of behavior as europeans and kepted on being communal. This makes alot of them very expressive, but sadly it also causes balkanization if they deal with others who are not considered “friends” so it’s not perfect.

        While there is a common lack of an ability to correct one’s self like an introvert amongs blacks, they do like themselves often. Sure it can often be arrogance but other times it can be an actual good aspect of them that reduces depression. This is also prevalent even in poor conditions in the ghetto.

        Sadly there are imperfections but they also have valuable traits as well.

        • Jason Y

          The way many are social and “warm” compared to what Robert describes as “Cold”.

          This is likely a trait due to collective nature. Eurasians generally became more predisposed and adopted more introverted tendencies, but Blacks still retain the communal nature thing because even when aspects like agriculture and trade developed they sort of took those route through “short cuts” (while proto agriculture existed de novo, they also have technique from foreign origin) and didn’t develop the same type of behavior as europeans and kepted on being communal. This makes alot of them very expressive, but sadly it also causes balkanization if they deal with others who are not considered “friends” so it’s not perfect.

          That’s interesting. I noticed that too when I hung around blacks. They seem very warm and caring, and collective, compared to whites. That’s assuming the blacks aren’t angry though. That’s assuming they’re not in a ghetto mode.

          I think blacks are more likely to hug each other, say nice things to each other etc.. than white people are. White people kind of have a John Wayne tough mentality of coldness. At least that’s the way I was raised by my dad.🙄

          I think though, there is a difference between warmness, and queer-ness, so to speak😆 White males, some of them, are a little too cold, even for being straight.

        • Jason Y

          I noticed this wamness among Koreans when I was there also. Lots of collective sleeping. They would have places where all of them would sleep on a warmed floor. It only cost like a few dollars to pay for it. They would shower together (but seperated by sex though). etc…

          It’s just not something you see in the individualistic, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne tough guy cold white culture. 🙄

          Any kind of bath house in the USA for instance, instantly gets thoughts of gay people and stuff etc..

      • Jason Y

        The wall holding up the so called superiority of Japan, Europe, high caste Indians, is a thin wall, a paper tiger🙄 Most of it is just due to lack of incest. Once people worldwide quit doing that, then real challenges come from groups, whom otherwise would be laughed at.🙄

        • Jason Y

          It’s funny to note one time people were laughing at Japan, and especially China. A lot of Americans didn’t even believe World War II Japanese planes were flew by real Japanese.😆 They must of had Germans flying for them.🙄

      • Jason Y

        quote by santoculto

        Who deny that some people can become smarter via selective pressures is denying the basics of darwinian theory,

        Selective pressure makes a difference, but there is/was so much cousin marriage worldwide, due to the fact of people living simple medevil lives so to speak, that we see the biggest pressure has/is always been incest.

      • Give up man, Jay is never going to listen now that he has this Incest card.
        I’ve doing this ALL DAY with him.

        • Jason Y

          How is that different from the “Jew card”?🙄 We all play a card. It’s all poker you know.🙄

          Remember Sam or Beast-Gannon who brought up the Jew and “Women are dumb and evil” cards all the time?

        • Santoculto

          Exactly Phil,
          Jay need find a job to stop write so much the same thing here and put infantile faces in their comments, all the time.

          There is a clear difference between incest and cousin marriages, specially third cousins. Of course, he’s not wrong when repeat it, now he need develop your certainties. The same way, someone who talk all time about ”jews” are not and never will be completely wrong, and in this case is likely to be the otherwise.

          Endogamy is a great way to stabilize a set of acquired traits via selective events.

        • Santoculto, Thank You for elaborating even further with my point, to bad Jay, the one who NEEDS to listen won’t.

          I’ll bet once he’s sees this he’ll respond with some repartee to make it seem that he had won the argument.

      • Jason Y

        A world envisoned by santo-culto and ep-gah is an unbreakable world of genetic white and oriental mental supremacy. The whole idea that incest plays a huge role, smashes that idea, making IQ fluctuation very unstable. In other words, based on incest, a low IQ population could go up fast, or a high IQ one could go down fast, regardless of other pressure.

        I mean. Really, no duh, of course Mexican peasants streaming into the USA are not very bright. They come from simple farming villages. Probably a lot of cousin marriage goes on. Also the environment, though it plays a lesser role, isn’t so great, as in most of the third world.

        • Jason Y

          Look at radioactivity, like incest, it can screw up people pretty fast. Massive birth defects come about, just as anyone who has seen sci-fi movies can attest.🙄 It doesn’t matter what population the nukes hit, the nuke does massive damage, and reduces people to freaks, zombies, etc..

        • Santoculto

          ”A world envisoned by santo-culto and ep-gah is an unbreakable world of genetic white and oriental mental supremacy.”

          The world envisoned by Jay-son is and breakable world of genetic black mental future, expected and celebrated supremacy.

          The question is, why jay son ”love” so much ”blacks” ***

          Again, there are virtuous black people, of course, BUT many or even most of them are not like that, white trash schizoid (christian or leftoid collective schizophrenia… faustian destiny bullshit) and east cannibal asian AREN’T really superior, none officially/socially organized collective will be comparatively or just self-observative GLOBALLY OR TOTALLY superior based on strict and deeply literal term of this adjective, ”superior”. Jews**** the quintessential manifestation of human stupidity and primitivism. NOPE, but Jay-son have a platonic love about blacks, even when by logic, none, specially virtuous black, should have any positive feeling about sociopathic people, of any race, any collectivity.

      • Jason Y

        Yes, I did bring up the cliche hated word “racist”. However, a better word is supremacist, and no doubt people who think that whites and orientals are intellectually superior are supremacists, and they gladly accept that idea, as it massively benefits them (the supremacist). But again, the world of supremacy is on thin ice scientifically speaking.

    • EPGAH

      Are you saying America’s declining intellect and moral standards are due to INCEST, not because we let in a shitload of stupid but fast-breeding monkeys/zombies and funded their breeding at our own expense?

      As to our power never threatened, no, the closer you live to the savages, the more threatened you will feel, unless you are either invincible, or live so far away from Civilization And Rule Of Law, you can kill whatever attacks you without going to trial for it…Or you become a statistic for OTHERS to feel threatened by!
      http://www.citylab.com/politics/2013/01/gun-violence-us-cities-compared-deadliest-nations-world/4412/

      • Jason Y

        It’s due to incest back in the home country, and then they bring the resulting low IQ population to the USA etc..

        A careful study, of say mating patterns in much of Latin America etc.. , probably reveal much of what we saw in feudal Europe.

      • Jason Y

        Who can deny the Irish at one time were low IQ, a white people whom were despised and the native population wanted kept out? What caused their low IQ, given the environment was not a tropical paradise, but a typical European one?

      • Jason Y

        I don’t think their really savages, so to speak. They’re just really messed up people due to a bad gene pool, cousin marriage, typical stuff you see in agrarian societies in which people don’t travel much.

        Yes the result of a bad gene pool will yield, angry people, retarded people etc.., savages. A people that have to be kept under control, and unless they’re under control (via force and an environment where no fun is allowed, no hip hop, guns etc..), then all hell breaks loose.🙄

  7. Dave Mowers

    And yet Aryan Race Theory is wholly discredited?

    Seriously, how much more of this trash about human origins and genetics can we listen to? It is patently obvious that Caucasians are the Aryan Race and humans evolved from interbreeding with them. Caucasians are older than Homo Sapiens.

  8. Jason Y

    The Jews have done a superb eugenic thing among themselves. Since much of the world hasn’t copied them, going the route of cousin marriage and the like, they haven’t advanced much. Now the Jews own them. Yes.🙄

  9. Jason Y

    Quote by me, now put in the right thread:

    Ok, enough of this crap.🙄 Let’s look at the science and see if my argument is weak vas what ep-gah and santo-culto are saying.

    Also, let’s look at Sam’s Jew argument and do the same, as well as Beast-Gannon’s (banned I think) raving about “evil women” so to speak.

    Just cause people say some argument is weak, doesn’t mean it is, unless there is proof to show it’s weak. Or it could be shown both arguments are weak, and proof needs to be offered for both of them. I don’t think the “climate reaction theory of low IQ” has a lot of evidence to back it up.

    • Jason Y

      Now posted in the right thead, Quote by me:

      Bringing up random Darwin quotes, ideas, etc.. isn’t enough to smash the “incest theory of low IQ” thing. Incest is the atomic weapon of mass birth defects. It changes things fast for the negative.

      • EPGAH

        What about better people breeding less and stupid, violent people breeding MORE? I’d say that’s been pretty atomic at least in its effects, right?
        https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/white-california-rip/

        How did savages from our south dominate California and form La Raza, MECHA, and other racist “advocacy” groups, changing our laws to allow such domination save through biological mass production — and of course, banning ourselves from having a similar advocacy group to counter their evil influence?

        How are you going to expand your incest theory to cover how many they pop out?

        • Jason Y

          Again, as I said, mass incest, as common to agrarian cultures, created the low IQ of Latin America. Now these groups, even though the IQ is low, do want to be treated with respect, as everyone does, so they do form advocacy groups.

          My guess that Mexicans and whatnot will eventually go up in IQ as there is more exposure to the modern world. Nonetheless, in the time it takes for that happen, there will more than likely be more crime, government programs at the expense of the white population etc…

          One time, note, we had “Gangs of New York”, among the Irish. Now we only have Irish parades.😆

  10. Jason Y

    Anywhere where you see mass savagery and idiocy, from some isolated head-hunters on a Pacific Island to rural Ireland (of the past), you would see cousin marriage, which is highly preventable

    Its noted in the Arab world millions of have never read a book, and the IQ never goes past 80. Therefore, I’d say there is a link between the cousin marriage and the state of the Arab world.

  11. Jason Y

    Why is Ben Steigmann saying lower races mating with higher ones never produces the same as high mating with high? It’s just been stated that the test scores among hybirdized blacks and pure whites in the UK were equal

  12. EPGAH

    If incest is the be-all-end-all of IQ, it would lead to them being our equals.
    You and other Liberals with your “pathological altruism” want to treat them as if they’re already our equals and even superiors, giving them rights and privileges above our own people.

    Do you understand the difference?

    Also, if they grew in intellect, they would naturally put the brakes on their own breeding, and maybe even breed on THEIR OWN DIME rather than ours, suddenly realizing that the planet’s resources and ours are not infinite. We’re not being selfish or “holding out”, we just really CAN’T AFFORD IT ANYMORE!

    However, all this is predicated on a pretty damn big “IF”!

    • Jason Y

      Already, the so called “inferior” races are take a beating. Blacks were slaves for many years, later you had Jim Crow, and now half the black male population is locked up. Also, back in thier home nation, Mexicans, Filipinos and whatnot are wallowing in mass poverty.

      The liberal “treating them as our equals” thing seems to be more lip service, than reality. This was also noted by black nationalists like Malcolm X who thought blacks and others should make thier own way, not depend on scraps from whites.

      Finally I doubt if welfare is really taking a beating out of white America. That’s just a bunch of far right conservative crap.🙄

  13. Jason Y

    Quote by ep-gah,

    Whites are going downhill WITHOUT incest, to the point that COLLEGE students can’t answer questions from a high-school test 100 years ago.

    Come on ep-gah😆 You know that’s totally the environment there. They even made a book a few years back “The Dumbest Generation” (a mockery of the term “The Greatest Generation”) It was bascially saying young people today used a lot of technology, but none of it to enhance their brain. They just chitter-chatter on Facebook and on cell-phones all day.🙄

  14. Santoculto

    ”Santoculto, Thank You for elaborating even further with my point, to bad Jay, the one who NEEDS to listen won’t.

    I’ll bet once he’s sees this he’ll respond with some repartee to make it seem that he had won the argument.”

    For nothing,🙂

    learn new things should be a fountain of rejoicing. But humans love de-naturalize new perceptions.

    arguments should not be to inflate egos.

    • Toe Jam Football

      To Rob:

      IQ Scores Before and After Western Move
      On arrival After West
      US Blacks 70? 85*
      British Blacks 72 86**

      Are these Africans and Caribbean Blacks emigrating to the West..?
      Given that the Caribbean (Historically) and Africa are quite poor generally the relatively well off or the most able among poorer families are more likely to immigrate, eg a selection process is at work.

      I would also guess that we need to reexamine the notion of regression to the mean as I suspect it often does not apply to broad racial categories. For example Africa has more genetic diversity among humans than any other continent. Who’s to say there aren’t multiple subgroups in Africa who consistently outperform their peers, such as the Nigerian Igbo? Regression to the mean does not occur for Ashkenazi Jews if they intermarry (to the European mean) nor to ethnic Chinese in Malaysia or the Philippines so why should it occur among Blacks (given intermarriage within their group or to other outperforming groups) who are smarter than their peers..?

      • Read Peter Frost’s articles on the subject, the Igbo are his prime candidates as well for being outperformers.

        This is likely due to there breeding patterns as Outbreeder which lead to more modern or developed populations. The same is reported with the Bamileke who outbreed. HBD Chick is also out to find answers as well.

      • Hello, Move West means different things for the two different groups above.

        Move to the West means different things for US and UK Blacks. In US Blacks, Before Western move refers to the intelligence of US slaves in Africa before they were enslaved and shipped to the West. In the UK, it refers to the mass movement of Jamaicans to the UK, mostly occurring soon after WW2. Before West means their IQ’s in Jamaica last century before they moved to the UK, and After Move West is the scores of the children of the original immigrants who were born and raised in the UK.

        The general argument is that the Jamaicans who came in masse to the UK after WW2 were imported as cheap labor and were simply a basic cross section of Jamaican working class society. There was no pre-selection going on at all.

        Obviously, US slaves were not pre-selected for intelligence by their slavers.

        • Would’ve like it if they did though, would’ve prevented a lot of stuff.

        • Toe Jam Football

          Ok, it sounds like the British Blacks in your example are predominantly from Jamaica. Looking at the spectrum of Jamaicans who immigrated to Britain I would agree that there was little if any selection for intelligence (although perhaps arguably they had greater ambition and motivation..). Is your source for an average Jamaican IQ of 72 the book IQ and the Wealth of Nations? I’ve always thought the IQ figures the authors cited for Africa and the Caribbean were too low.

          This fellow cites several studies from the 1960s that indicate an average Jamaican IQ in the mid-80s.

          http://humanvarieties.org/2013/03/01/hvgiq-jamaica/#more-795

          That said a Jamaican migrating to Britain from the 40s to the 60s probably did benefit from a better environment (nutrition and a more intellectually enriching environment).

        • EPGAH

          No, they were only selected for being too slow to outrun the slavers, and too weak to break free.

          Whites in America are either lauded or accused, depending your perspective, of breeding stronger, tougher slaves.
          They overlook that whites allowed our slaves to breed AT ALL, other groups neutered their slaves!
          However, this was kind of a “Outsmarted Themselves” move, because once slaves were freed, we had a strong, tough, stupid, hostile group within our borders…”Didn’t See That Coming” doesn’t BEGIN to describe it!

  15. Yeah, there is a lot of inbreeding in Africa.

    • True, but read I think hbd chick’s post gives a better synopsis by ethnicity.

      meaning, despite the Igbo being in a red country they lack such magnitude of inbreeding.

      However this does seems useful

    • For example look at how much of africa with muslim populations resemble the ME in inbreeding magnitude.

      For nigeria, this is due to the Fulani and Hausa populations based off of hbd chick’s inbreeding reports.

  16. Jason Y

    No, they were only selected for being too slow to outrun the slavers, and too weak to break free.

    Whites in America are either lauded or accused, depending your perspective, of breeding stronger, tougher slaves.
    They overlook that whites allowed our slaves to breed AT ALL, other groups neutered their slaves!
    However, this was kind of a “Outsmarted Themselves” move, because once slaves were freed, we had a strong, tough, stupid, hostile group within our borders…”Didn’t See That Coming” doesn’t BEGIN to describe it!

    Yeah definitley a race of mildly retarded nerds or midgets are easier to handle🙄 You can even let them breed without much worry.

    Anyhow, didn’t Linclon want to send the blacks back? But then again, there was still much money to be made using “black peasants” (sharecroppers).

    i think the real downfall was immigration from Latin America combined with badly implemented government programs (not saying they are bad though in the correct form), and mass drug use. With these things going on, there isn’t as much incentive, at least not as much as in the 40s and 50s, for blacks to work.

    • Jason Y

      Again, it can be said, and this idea is unpopular on here, that “whites won’t pick cotton, sugar, tobacco”, generally speaking. That’s why they brought in blacks to begin with. That’s why they used black sharecroppers later, and why even later they used Mexicans (perhaps cause so many blacks fled the south to go the the north USA)

      Whites, generally, not always, view such work as beneath them, especially in the south, where stooping to the level of an untouchable is an assult on one’s pride. Of course, blue collar professions have always been white, and not seen as degrading. However, cleaning a toilet or picking cotton is shunned.

      • Jason Y

        White nationalists now think caste is something that was always a fiction. There really wasn’t a world, much like modern India, where white people adhered to a strict caste system, and literally (generally speaking) wouldn’t do “black people work”. The limit of white work was blue collar (something now threatened by Mexicans).

        If white people were unwilling to to black people work, then wouldn’t it follow that the vast majority of them wanted blacks to be slaves? Didn’t the whole population benefit? Definitely the whole white population of Alabama, Georgia etc.. fought for slavery,

        • EPGAH

          Have you ever visited College of the Ozarks?
          While I was at College of the Ozarks, I saw American kids doing the jobs that open-borders zealots and left-wing ideologues like you claim they never do: mowing lawns, making beds, sweeping floors and washing dishes. I heard many stories of students who were the first in their families to attend college and who embraced hard work as a matter of duty, faith and patriotism.

          Indeed, when I was a kid, we did those things. Not to mention all the movies made of it, from One Crazy Summer to Back To The Future!

          Now that illegals do them cheaper, white kids face a jobless summer! Your first summer job is a beloved rite-of-passage, what do you think happens to kids’ development? They’ve already proven that skipping steps, even something as stupid as crawling before walking, has deleterious effects later on, what about something as important as First Job?

      • Jason Y

        A big problem is that a lot of people don’t really believe that “human beings get off on being superior”. In other words, the white southerner, so to speak, wants to feel superior. He wanted blacks to live in the south as slaves or paid servants.

        Of course, there was a move by Lincoln and some northerners to send blacks back. But not so in the south, millions of white southerners literally died to keep them in America. 🙄

        States rights? Baloney.🙄 Another fiction made up by white nationalist revisionists.

    • EPGAH

      Lincoln DID want to send the Blacks back, but the Blacks threatened violent insurrection if we tried to deport them. Much as Mexicans are now, perhaps?

      Also, if whites won’t pick cotton, sugar, tobacco, how the expletive of your choice did they make enough to buy slaves in the first place?
      Noone has yet shown me the charity that was handing out free slaves!

      How DID we get anything done without slaves, especially in the anti-slavery North? Unless…bear with me now…whites lowered ourselves and did it ourselves?
      Maybe they got PAID MORE TO DO IT! Maybe all these “Minimum Wage” pushes were originally to push nonwhites out of the market, but ended up pushing OURSELVES out of the market?

      Not one Liberal has been able to refute Dad’s old mantra, “Pay a Man enough, they’ll walk naked through Hell”.
      I of course, invented the two corollaries:
      1.) Call it a Reality Show, and they’ll coat themselves in your choice of accelerant first.
      2.) Women will charge more for nudity.

      As to “Didn’t the whole population benefit?”, no, the whites who were edged out of jobs by slaves DID NOT BENEFIT! Or the honest white farm owner with PAID farm hands who can’t compete against the guy with slaves, and now the honest worker and their “Bosses” can’t compete against illegals.
      Or do you think the FEELING of superiority is superior to the FEELING of worthlessness if you don’t have a job and can’t pay your own way in society?

    • EPGAH

      Think of it from the slaveowner’s perspective.
      You want:
      1.) Big
      2.) Strong
      3.) Follows Orders
      “Smart” or “Civilized” don’t fit in that list. Anymore than most people want a riding lawnmower or other residential grade farm machinery to be “smart”. You don’t discuss Foucault with your lawnmower, your GPS, and your rake, do you?

      As to the Latinos, once again, the more of them that are here, the more they throw out that “Only Here To Work” lie and show their true colors as colonizers. Have you noticed that the illegals are allowed to vote in Mexico, even if they don’t vote in America? That we have twice as many Mexican Consulates as ANY OTHER COUNTRY? And that they keep interfering in ANY crime committed by Mexicans in America?

      If Mexico expands its influence over its colonies in the United States, it means we are losing our sovereignty. That is colonization/conquest, and only our own Hate Crime laws prevent us from fighting back.

      When riots break out, Americans are punished for showing American flags, singing American anthems, because that somehow offends the enemy. Noone dares point out they should leave if our country “offends” them that much…
      Or is that just a coincidence to you?

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