A Look at Precontact Igbo Society

This is from a good friend of mine, a young Black guy I am mentoring. We have all sorts of great discussions. As you can see, I am such a horrible racist that I mentor young Black guys! How many racists do that? This also looks like a pretty well structured society, which seems to belie the myth that these people were complete savages pre-contact. They actually had a fairly elaborate system of social and political organization.

My few Afrocentrist readers like Hucipher might be especially interested in this

The Social Order of Pre-contact Igbo Society

Negro Major – This could either refer to the King Priest or the Judge Priest depending on which Igbo system you are talking about. The King Priest would be the only real political figure in centralized Igbo society, possibly playing the role of “Loyal Patron” or “Grand Manipulator.” In the case of the Awka, the major Igbo tribe who sold slaves, he was probably the latter; with the Nri, a tribe where slaves ran to to be free, the former.

Judge Priest – The Judge Priest of decentralized Igbo society was closer to what we would call a judge or priest in our own societies. While he was seen as a man of power, he didn’t hold an executive role.

Negro Concilium – These would be the heads of village families who participated as a council. Not only did their political role make their organization democratic, but throughout the status system, this group was the focal point where things were kept “egalitarian yet complex,” possibly the best way to describe this system. In order to retain this status, one  must have had good communication skills and be what we might call “fluent speakers” and needed to maintain discipline in their administrative role.

Negro Plebeian – These would be the various tradesmen who were disciplined in their crafts and developed a hard work ethic.

Negro Minor – Younger members who were fodder for the other roles.

Negro Vulgus – Murderers, thieves, and possibly rapists who broke the laws of their societies. However, domestic abuse probably evoked little concern. These were actually looked down upon in Black societies that had an active system law enforcement, such as the Ashanti or the Igbo, and the  Malians under Ibn Battuta who developed a system of law and order due to a religious culture.

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274 responses to “A Look at Precontact Igbo Society

  1. Jason Y

    I’m wondering if inbreeding has hurt other cultures besides the Arab one. For instance, Irish at one time were considered “hillbilly”.and low IQ. Could be the same case for sub-saharan Africa, and Latin America.

    I twould be interesting to see what is causing the low IQ, and I bet it isn’t some kind of reaction to warm weather, as WNs claim. It has more of a religious reason. Kind of like a rebellion (or ignorance of) against the true God kind of thing.🙄

    I don’t think Darwinian evolution is to blame for low IQ all over the world.

    • Imbreeding? I think HBD chick actually mentioned how the Bamileke are different from other African tribes in which they DON’T date cousins.

      I’m agnostic towards Igbo breeding patterns or that of other tribes, but you might explain precolonial lack of advancement.

      The Bamileke unlike other African groups actually adjusted well into capitalism and are famous for it, so maybe you’re on to something there Jason!

      • Jason Y

        I don’t think God made people dumb on purpose. Different tribes fall mentally due to choice. Think about it. White nationalists want to bash blacks, but why not the Irish?🙄 They have traditonally had a low IQ until recently. Ireland, from what I can tell, has harsh weather as does the rest of Europe.

        • Jason Y

          Sub-Saharan African tribes date cousins? It isn’t just the Arabs? This explains a lot also. This might be the total explanation, apart from environment for low IQ.

          I mean, the WNs have a point about genetics. Liberals try to deny it, but it’s hard to sweep it under the rug. Nonetheless, the problem might be the “source of the genetic fall”. WNs think it was evolutionary, while the real answer seems to be incest breeding patterns. In other words, highly preventable stuff.

        • Jason Y

          It might even be possible to improve IQ in different places, not by encouraging the high IQ to marry, forbid the low IQ, but by simply putting a ban on incest.

        • Jason Y

          Maybe even two low IQ people, without incest going on, could produce a higher IQ baby? Who knows?🙄

        • Santoculto

          ”I don’t think God made people dumb on purpose.”

          No comments for it above.

          ”They have traditonally had a low IQ until recently. Ireland, from what I can tell, has harsh weather as does the rest of Europe.”

          Iq measure intelligence completely*
          Irish people behavior were so diferent than today*
          again NUTRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISHIOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN
          positive thinking
          positivity

          Jay,
          today we no have concrete proves that prove this expected and spectacular effect of nutrition in intelligence, i mean, a family with genotypical intelligence around 70, increase the ”intelligence” of their kids to 100’s or more.

          The number of people analysed in most of this studies is

          -very few
          – with lack of important personal informations
          – with a lot of different cognitive tests

          Again, nutrition seems likely to increase intelligence, iq or not, but how much*

          All populations have their own ceilings.

  2. Jason Y

    Wow, I just thought pre-contact Africans just danced all day.😆

    • Jason Y

      I want to take you higher!!! I want to take you higher.😆

      • I couldn’t find a reply button at your comment, but to answer your question yes they are both “rough”, however the differences lie in what mental trait would be more important for food.

        Higher IQs would be desirable for a Colder, snowy environment, while hotter climates require more sensitivity to your surroundings, actually resulting in sensitivity in emotions which could lead to either a pathological society or an “expressive” society depending on how the culture develops. The expressive would develop in social interaction and expressive behavior that is disciplined, while the pathological one lacks such. This could also develop in accumaltion of “street smarts” if you will.

        Both are “strong minded” in a sense due to the divergence to make them specialized, just in different ways.

        Of course if the Tropical population is transplanted into a capitalist society with enough IQ selection they would start to evolve differently then before, like how Robert describes the case with African Americans.

        The only “flaw” people could have with his theory would be the idea of African American females finding a spouse for his smarts when the stereotype is rather for “coolness”. Well both are true, but in the case of IQ selection it is actually for there looks more ties than smarts. Blacks males in the light Brown to moderate brown spectrum are viewed as the most handsome to most so the could be indirectly be gaining higher IQ points without even knowing it, but you also have the case of a more establish middle to upper class culture relative to other Black populations to actually generate a higher IQ function too.

        The problem is despite such a progress system, you have what many would call a “dysgenic affect” too with the “Vulgus” population.
        What I theorize with Post Colonial Africa was that under Colonialism was that it was the state that acted as “officers” rather than the people, so when The state left the Vulgus population went out of control.

        Other statuses could be Pathological to a degree, but they would still be able to be disciplined. This is what I believe to be the case with African Americans and other Black populations in terms of pathology.
        Economic disparities aren’t as big as a situation as many believe, because many Blacks are fine with where they are but it’s when economy shifts and they have nothing is where things become disastrous. What they need is a social “glue” ,if you will, that won’t leave them dependent on the state.

        For example, the Anioma of Nigeria survive through starvations under colonialism by experimenting with cassava which was an inexpensive food. So learning strategies in entrepreneurship in forms similar to “street smarts” could be an option in a modern society American Blacks who encompass other statuses aside from Vulgus.

        The key to make my suggestions seems plausible is to consider Vulgus, because despite my “solution” seeming coherent I imagine it comes of as too simple.

        In conclusion, Blacks become anti-social and unprogressive due to the lack of an institution to select positive traits for society.

    • The dancers would be essential role players of society. Though aside from that they typically did plebeian work that would bore the hell out of a modern day person of an iq of around 100, forms of art that could be simple and fascinating or elegant and unique, pray along with other religious practices (such as sacrifices, ugh) and talk a lot.

      Warm weather? Well TYPICALLY migration into a colder climate during a primitive stage, to my understanding, causes IQ to be a higher mental trait.

      In the tropics during a primitive stage IQ wouldn’t be that big or a mental need since you have quite a supply of vegetation and meat, but other pressure would force things like Oral tradition probably contributing to Verbal memory along with the intense environment requiring better sense like sight, smell, hearing, sight.

      The social structure then aiding in sociable behaviors and such. Though technically it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to be smart in a warm climate, just a correlation. So would it be the Warm weather making them dumb? Not DIRECTLY but it is a factor. For the Aborigines it’s because Spatial memory was more important during a early stage in Australia rather than IQ due to the landscape appearing homogeneous.

      • An exception for example would be Amerindians. Due their populations having Eurasian pressures prior to Arriving to places like South America or Meso America they had higher IQs than Africans in Similar environments, though to be honest I can’t imagine many Places that would have as roigh of a Savannah or Tropic area Like the Sub Sahara Aside from the mentioned Western Hemisphere regions. Perhaps Vietnam.

        • Jason Y

          That’s interesting. Considering the tropics is a rough environment, as much so as the North pole, then why would such a place make “weak minded people” as opposed to “strong minded people”?

      • Jason Y

        Not trying to sound like Mr. liberal, 🙄 but I don’t think the climate made low IQ people in Africa. There might be other reasons. As with the Muslim world, we see that a lot dysgenics was due to incest, something which can be prevented by simply leaving Islam.

        However, then again we could probably have dysgenics among Vikings or Irishman of the past. More than likely we saw it all across medevil Europe.

        • Jason Y

          In the case of Africa, as well as medevil Europe, perhaps illiteracy contributed to dysgenics. There was no knowledge of genetics then, especially not for peasants.

        • Jason Y

          Could it be the ruling classes of the European middle ages wanted dysgenics? Perhaps, or they didn’t care. The peasant class existed to farm the land. They were no different than farm animals. Given this fact, it’s not surprising they were not too bright.🙄

        • GulliverFredrich

          White people are actually the result of inbreeding and incest since they are race of fixed albino’s. By inbreeding you keep traits like blonde hair and blue eyes or brown hair and blue eyes, look up OCA albinism-2. The reason why whites look the way they do is because of incest and inbreeding albinism.

          Also this is the same reason why Whites by default are 1/3 black African and 2/3 thirds Eurasian. That black DNA in White Europeans prevents the spillover effects of inbreeding as we see in the Muslim world and the Arab world and elsewhere.

        • Stary Wylk

          I disagree, on account of the stupid white guys I’ve met who wear stocking caps during a California or Oregon summer.

          The oral literature of both the Irish and the Vikings indicate they traveled a lot and maintained a common culture by frequent visits. They also had religious events where the upper classes bred into the lower.

          What about Inuit IQs?

        • To answer Stary Wlk’s question, Inuits have rather fair IQ within the 100’s range to my understanding due to Eurasian pressures.

        • To answer the question referring to the Inuit IQ, I remember hearing that they actually actually have amongst the Highest Cranial capacities so it’s at least within the 100’s as an average.

        • Actually, Inuits do have the largest brains, but their IQ’s are not especially high at 91. It is thought that much of their brain structure has gone over to perceptual intelligence as they excel in this area like the Aborigines.

        • Santoculto

          Some albinos are beautiful. Whites is to albinism as tall is to gigantism😉

        • Still, 91 isn’t a bad score compared to Aborgines’ IQ range.

        • GulliverFredrich

          Santaculto you are a delusional moron, albinism is a disease and serious disease at that and it’s a FACT that Whites are a fixed albino race; it also has mental physical side effects as well. It’s because of the dangers of albinism that you don’t breed white tigers.

          And no your comparison is stupid, it’s more like gigantism is to Cancer as Albinism is to parkison’s disease. There is no advantage to being white, because the white state is an evolutionary dead end and a genetic hindrance.

        • Santoculto

          Gulli,
          you eat shit in the breakfast.

          Albinism is a real dead end of whiteness as well gigantism is a extreme or dead end of height,

          i need explain it**** really***

          For you

        • GulliverFredrich

          Santuculto STOP BEING A MORON!

          Albinism IS A FUCKING DISEASE! EVEN THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT SAYS THAT IT’S A DISEASE ALMOST LIKE CANCER WITH NO BENEFITS AT ALL! THERE IS ZERO BENEFITS TO BEING OR HAVING ALBINISM! Albinism isn’t gigantism, and you can’t compare the two disease BECAUSE ONE IS ACTUALLY WORSE THEN THE OTHER! Albinism is albinism, an extreme disease and disorder like having AIDS, you don’t comparisons BECAUSE THERE ISN’T ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT!

          If everything on this planet from PLANTS to ANIMALS TO MICROSCOPIC LIFEFORMS, DEPENDS ON SOLAR ENERGY AND SUNLIGHT, and WHITES ARE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING TO THAT, AND CANNOT ABSORB OR LIVE WITH THE SUN, IS THAT AN ADVANTAGE?

          No it’s not, Albino animals and insects do not survive and get killed easily or they are cast out. Every NORMAL thing on this planet needs the sun to survive, so without having this symbiotic relationship with the sun, you would have to be an aberration or diseased thing which WHITES ACTUALLY ARE SINCE THEY ARE THE RESULT OF ALBINISM!

  3. Hello, I’m the author of this article. While I’m a studier of Africa, I of course don’t try to use this information of the past to make up for the pathology and failure of today. I’m well aware of various forms of Black savagery today and the past. The purpose of this was really just an analysis of what I found interesting.

    The Igbo social order, for one, shows socialist and strict religious order that Robert mentioned before that could stabilize a Black community. Before I even met Robert I was able to figure out that something was very different about the major, though not all, Precolonial societies. They may have been archaic but not as unstable as today. Even if by primitive methods I’ve found that they managed to make some feats that outshine stuff any are capable of today.

    What was missing was an institution of “best fit” that dissolved during colonialism. Now I don’t mean to say colonialism was a horrid evil, but rather
    the restructuring of culture wasn’t what they adapted to thus causing them to fall apart.

    I also speculate that the reinstitution of this culture, though with some modern takes on it, could help express potential in Black populations. However I try not to be too quixotic, so when I made this post I included Negro Vulgus, a Negro that cannot be helped with his pathology.

    When I was studying alone the conclusions I made were close to what Robert describe, so I am currently confident in my theory.

    And just to be clear, I’m not saying that this is unique to Black populations, saying that they were ALL civilized, or that a reinstitution would be easy (I even figures that I would have to be selective in individuals that could make it run).
    What I based this of was coherent descriptions of organization from various sources, trends in historical moments in Precolonial success, and Studying personality variation of Blacks.

    Any questions or comments I’ll accept in replies to me, but I urge objectivity rather than subjective opinions on Blacks. It’s not that I find them untrue but it’s material I can’t work with due to it not challenging anything that I don’t accept.

    • It should be in he last sentence “Don’t already accept.”

    • Erik Sieven

      today subsaharan Africans, especially West Africans are by far the most successful people in the world. What some call “pathology” is nothing but a extremely successful pattern of behavior. When a lion kills a zebra we don´t call him “sociopath” but rather a successful and mighty hunter. The same way of seeing things should be used to describe humans.
      Subsaharan Africans have by far the most children today, which means that in a evolutionary sense they are best adapted to our modern world society. Male Subsaharan Africans, especially Westafricans, also dominate the international partner market like no one else does.
      While it is true that the characteristics of subsaharan Africans made them less successful in the time between 10.000 BC and around 1950 AC, the same characteristics have made them the winners from then on. Westafricans are best when it comes to small-scale violent competition and male competition for females. This characteristic makes it hard for them to create or maintain civilization. So up to 1900 they only made up a small percentage of world population, especially small in relation to the huge arable land they settled on. But from 1950 on they don´t to build civilization because foreigners do it for them. Foreigners do it because they feel pity for Africans and also because they admire them (for their aggressive attractiveness). Also non-blacks have consented that violence against blacks is the most evil thing in the world, why blacks themselves to not forgo violence against non-blacks. This is in part due to their superior (superior of course in current social institutions) mental set-up, which in general produces less compassion.
      So all in all: subsaharan Africans are the perfect global citizen of the 21. century. This will inevitable lead to a situation with a black world population majority by the year 2100. When the black population is at 90 % or so by 2200 things might change again. The currently successful behavior patterns then again might become unsuccessful, because by then there will be to few Indians, Chinese, Europeans who could pay for, secure, feed, care for blacks.

      • EPGAH

        You had me going up til your last sentence, where you pointed out the problem with their perfect parasitic adaptation.

        Did you take into account China ENDING its one child policy, and therefore needing more resources from the rest of the world?

        • Erik Sieven

          @EPG
          the CPC now wants to allow two kids for everybody, while up to recently two kids were already allowed for the majority of people. The new policy is no big change. And for most people three kids are still forbidden.
          Anyway this change of policy came to late and will change nothing. Mainland Chinese people have as few kids as Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese, while the latter have no official family control at all.

        • EPGAH

          It is replacement reproduction, whereas for the last ~30 years, the objective was explicitly to LOWER its population.

          China has a BILLION people, and as their expectations go up, so too do the amount of resources they consume and pollution they create.
          China is expanding into Africa and Siberia, not JUST for the resources, but also as a population dump. I don’t think they will put up with the shit from the Third World the way the Civilized World does.

          Extrapolating of course, from the last time THEIR OWN people stood up against the Government, they pulled a tank on them. They ran roughshod over the Tibetans. The very individual violence that makes Blacks such “Mighty Hunters” prohibits them from forming an effective ARMY!

          They’re also building artificial islands of warplanes/warships in everyone else’s waters, so maybe THEY should be the “Mighty Hunters” to watch out for in the future!

      • “Subsaharan Africans have by far the most children today, which means that in a evolutionary sense they are best adapted to our modern world society.”

        Uuuummm, That logic doesn’t.

        Not only that but I believe you are making a lot of incoherent assumptions.
        Foriegners don’t admire their “aggressive attractiveness”, they do it out of altruism.

        Also a lot of what you said makes them more prone to criminal behavior in rather than superior in a modern environment.

        “This characteristic makes it hard for them to create or maintain civilization.”
        None of my research would suggest so, can you give me an example from history that you can cite? All of my research points to it mostly being due to invader’s interference and lose of institutions.

        Though I’ve read small scale violence happening in parts of West African kingdoms’ districts but I wouldn’t call this “competition”.

        “So all in all: subsaharan Africans are the perfect global citizen of the 21.”
        So perfect that they are among the most uneducated, starving, and criminal producing people on earth.

        “What some call “pathology” is nothing but a extremely successful pattern of behavior. When a lion kills a zebra we don´t call him “sociopath” but rather a successful and mighty hunter. The same way of seeing things should be used to describe humans.”

        It called pathology because those traits make them weaker in a modern environment. The ability to kill people. unorganized, at a disproportionate rate to other groups of people and succeed through economy and education. Those traits have been wiped out in other populations who are indeed played a part in our modern society.

        ” But from 1950 on they don´t to build civilization because foreigners do it for them.”

        I’m sure that it that many were colonialized before 1950, but this is probably the most accurate statement you’ve given in this monolith of confusion.

        Your statement of “superiority in modern society” hold little oromise considering that these people are mostly excelling at the negative aspects of modern society.

        • Erik Sieven

          “Also a lot of what you said makes them more prone to criminal behavior in rather than superior in a modern environment.”
          Only because some acts are called “criminal”, which is basically another word for “wrong”, does not mean that those acts can not be very successful. In fact those acts are called “criminal” or “wrong” shows that somebody would benefit in some way by doing those acts, because otherwise there would be no need to call it “wrong” in the first place. So called criminal acts are only stupid in a society where crime does not pay. At least in current western societies crime does pay.
          So called “criminal” acts, especially physical vioelence of course does have huge benefits for the perpetrator, amongst those benefits is the psychological effect of experiences real-life superiority.

          “None of my research would suggest so, can you give me an example from history that you can cite? All of my research points to it mostly being due to invader’s interference and lose of institutions.”
          There is historic demography which gives low population numbers for pre-1500 subsaharan Africa. Also it is just a general known fact that in subsaharan Africa there has not been a civilization as early and developed as in in Mesopotamia, the Indus valley, the Danube valley, Egypt, the Yangtze valley, or even middle and southern America, despite the time lag of settlement of the latter. Not to speak of classic Greek, Roman or Chinese culture.
          After 1500 the records are also clear. Nearly every civilizational cultural island in subsaharan Africa seems to be an outpost of arabic culture.

          “Though I’ve read small scale violence happening in parts of West African kingdoms’ districts but I wouldn’t call this “competition”.”
          what I mean by competition is the following. As a thought experiment take randomly selected 100 black, 100 white and 100 japanese men into a small cell, and lock it up and leave them alone for one week. Put into this cell food and water which is barely enough for 30 men to survive. After this week how many black, white, japanese men would make it out the cell? That is the kind of competition blacks are really good at. On the other side: give those groups of 100 people each an island which they can use to grow food, hunt animals etc. Which island would be most prosperous? Thats the kind of competition whites and east asian are good at.

          “So perfect that they are among the most uneducated, starving, and criminal producing people on earth.”
          since when is education the gold standard? Starving is bad of course. But starving Congolese still double their population every dozen years or something like that, while Koreans literally die out.

          “Your statement of “superiority in modern society” hold little oromise considering that these people are mostly excelling at the negative aspects of modern society.”
          I don´t know what is “negative” and what is “positive”. Only thing I know is that subsaharan Africans demographical conquer the world.

        • Santoculto

          This kind of moral relativism about human behaviour is very dangerous. Today there is a clear proposital global melange among human races or varieties for POLITICAL reasons, specially or fundamentally because of ”zionism”, ”tikun olan bullshit’.

          In Brazil colonia, white males take most of black and amerindian females, because of slave system, showing that this ”superiority” of some group than others deserve better contextualization and it can and generally change during time. Today, more than 90% of genetic by patrilineal lineage in Brazil is portuguese.

          Black south africans procreate more than whites and as result they are a large majority now in that country. The idea that blacks are better adapted to modern societies because they have more children is nonsense. You are mixing different evolutionary contexts. For non-human animais this logic to do a lot sense but not for humans. Japaneses for example, they are/were truly adapted for their environment, even when their country become westernized/modernized.

          Indeed, starting by this comparisons, prolific races will be in clear advantages, but simply conclude that ”so, they are better adapted is too simplistic.

          Who create a better environment to their population, will be better adapted based on human excelence.

          Now, the logical next evolution would be create a better cultural/social environment to adapt to this globalistic environment. Who can understand multiple perspectives will have a greater advantage.

        • EPGAH

          Sadly, santoculto, it sounds like he has a PERFECT view of the “perspective” of the scum that keep invading Europe, pretending to be “refugees” but then raping and murdering their hosts!
          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/muslims-continue-to-persecute-christians-even-in-the-west/
          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/uk-muslim-abducts-rapes-woman-you-white-women-are-good-at-it

          I HOPE he overestimates the Civilized World’s mercy and patience, but not sure about that.

        • To Erik, Okay, a few things.

          You are apparently looking at One dimension of Sub Saharan History.
          As for the Arabic Outpost, there was also Forest regions where they indeed developed forms of rule using tactics similar to the ones in my article as well as the Central African Kuba Kingdom that was Pagan as well.

          Also, The Sahel had trading posts that Mande people participated in with Berbers that developed into the Ghana Empire, then it was when The Ghana Empire encountered the Middle East was when they began to become “outpost”. The Sahel civilizations go back to About 1000-2000 b.c.
          Granted not as far as others.

          These “negative aspects” were things like you mentioned held them back. However, case like the Igbo and other Major Guinea states were cases where they were able to more efficiently fight back against those Negative aspects. Meaning, there were individuals in Sub Sahara who were capable of seeing that they were threat. Many Slaves were indeed criminals of their society who they basically through out. Igbo slaves were one of them and they were known for Rebellions, suicide, and violence. True Sub Saharan have these Qualities, but that’s not going to get them in ANY direction.
          You are ignoring the qualities displayed by them besides those traits

          Also, lets just say these things have advantages, they are indeed weaker and far more disadvantageous in TODAY society.

          They may excel at these things but what direction is that GETTING THEM?

          Let me tell you, a liability. It leaves them open for other place (China) to take advantage of them. It causes a drain in resources for other Nations to take care of them.

          “since when is education the gold standard? Starving is bad of course. But starving Congolese still double their population every dozen years or something like that, while Koreans literally die out.”

          So they’ll grow into what? At some point they would revert without action to prevent such. Education is a part of today’s society

          “I don´t know what is “negative” and what is “positive”. Only thing I know is that subsaharan Africans demographical conquer the world.”

          Okay…..you DO understand that not all productive places are like the West who feel sympathy for Africa and a Place like China has no problem controlling their population if they get out of hand? They did to their own so why not them?

          In order for your assertion of Sub Saharan Traits to work things would have to be monolithic, but they’re not. They’re are not the same where they will be advantageous in their violence, their are those who are victims who could achieve outside.

          Yes I believe statistically that they would excel at what you say, but where you can’t seem to get the picture with is how this actually translates. These people are not organized to call this “conquering”, twhat you are describing is the swelling of culturally deterioration through Dysgenics.

          Like I said, China, who is very well already connected with Afirca, would recognize this and eliminate them without remorse. What this is doing is building this for them to be undeveloped and vulnerable to a superior force.

          Traits are “dominant” depending on the environment and considering how thing are looking, in modern society’s environment these would be negative because some but not all other forces will stand by and let it happen.

          My point is that the traits that you speak of are don’t apply to all Africans and the best root for them is to do other wise through selective remodeling, which history shows would have lead to better stability.

  4. Oh I would Like to make a correction. It was the Aro of the Igbo that sold slaves, Awka was actual part of Nri (silly me).

    • Erik Sieven

      this is an answer to the comment above (for Oct 31, 10:34 AM).
      “Let me tell you, a liability. It leaves them open for other place (China) to take advantage of them. It causes a drain in resources for other Nations to take care of them.”
      China does not take advantage of Africa, it is the other way round. China builds african infrastructure for free and gets nothing back. Of course the get treaties which give them the right to exploit natural resources for some time, but it is very unlikely that China actual will take the resources for that time. One day an african country can simply say: no more. Than China has no resources anymore but they have already built the infrastructure in the specific african country. What shall China do then? War? No Chance, Uncle Sam would be there to defend the african country.

      “Okay…..you DO understand that not all productive places are like the West who feel sympathy for Africa and a Place like China has no problem controlling their population if they get out of hand? They did to their own so why not them?”; “Like I said, China, who is very well already connected with Afirca, would recognize this and eliminate them without remorse. What this is doing is building this for them to be undeveloped and vulnerable to a superior force.”
      the CPC is good in telling East Asians not to have babies, but they are totally helpless when confronted with subsaharan Africans. The black population in Guangzhou is already out of hand. They come with short visa and simply never leave. They have no papers at all, and they reproduce fast, of course with many mixed race children with black fathers.

      “These people are not organized to call this “conquering”, twhat you are describing is the swelling of culturally deterioration through Dysgenics.”
      you are of course right. the “conquering” is not planned and organized. It is rather the result of human biological diversity which makes groups of people on average behave differently than other groups of people in certain social institutions. When the social institutions change, race relations also change. With the social institutions of 1600 whites win, with the social instiutions of 2015 blacks win.

      • Looking back on it, I never really had a problem with your logic, it seems very coherent.

        Where things get sticky is that by “superior” I thought of it as “for the better” but your definition for superior would actually be “general domination”.

        In that case I have no quarrel with you.

    • Update-As far as murders go, they were taboo though the murder of a higher caste member may have gotten more concern because in my research they are the ones most often presented when murders are mentioned.

      Basically elders and similar title members discussed, though for the Anioma of Western Nigeria violence in General was against customs and Pacifism was so strict that they never expanded like the Northern Tribes because that would require invasive violence, so they may be a good model for decentralized Igbo but not for Centralized Igbo like in “Things Fall Apart”.

  5. Other systems would include the Yoruba who had both a king and council as the governing body, though it varied on different states. The Kuba in Central Africa is again another, however due to such organization being “nations”, the decentralized Igbo style is more preferable.

    Also, many thanks to my Mentor Robert Lindsay, wouldn’t be nearly as confident or competent in my experience in the field of current politics or Anthropology without his guidance.

    • GulliverFredrich

      Stop being a rented self-hating learned helplessness negro phil, learn to think for yourself independent of albino thought control who have patronizing attitudes towards blacks.

      • I think you misunderstand, I HATE self hate. Another thing is that I don’t hate myself or Blacks, but that doesn’t mean I can’t accept pathologies.
        I see pathologies as a threat, but on the otherhand I don’t mope and complain like so many others I just learn what I can about the issue and figure out how I can fix it.

        If I was self hating, why would I give ancient Africans credit in a field many white racists say that they at?

      • Or are you referring to me given Robert credit where it’s due? I admire many white people in the past AS WELL AS Blacks people. I Revere Caesar, and I give Shaka credit though he was a dictator and for those reason I like Moeshushsu better. I’m fascinated by Greek Art but Ife’s society was a magnificent hearth of sophisticated African art. I admire European commanders but I also revere Samori Tyre of the Mandinka.
        Behanzin was another.

        Though my absolute favorite was the Kuba Empire under Shamba. But where are they now? Gone due to the people losing their will during colonialism and let criminals be the governing majority.
        My purpose is to use the most efficient trends amongst Blacks to apply to Blacks, not give in to “Whitey”, and I will give Robert credit where it’s due because he gave my confidence in my theory and info to help my theory more applicable.

        • GulliverFredrich

          Except the Ancient Greeks were not actually White, and in Eurasia and Northern Europe, Whites invented squat and almost nothing of importance prior to the advent of the roman empire and Christianity in Europe. There is almost zero architecture of significance or anything worthwhile that was created by Whites in White lands prior to the Roman and Greek expansion.

        • GulliverFredrich

          Idiot, Africa has been colonized by not just the West but ALSO BY PEOPLE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST FIRST! Africans HAVE ALSO COLONIZED EUROPEAN TERRITORY, see the Moors etc etc.

          Africans have actually beaten Europeans many times, see the Horn of Africa battles in particular. African pathologies are African pathologies, colonialism didn’t create it. AFAIK the first original Europeans were actually black, the first Chinese civilizations were also black. Whites were illiterate disgusting filthy inbred nomads from Eurasia WHO NEVER CAME UP WITH THEIR OWN WRITING SYSTEM OR FORMAL ALPHABET OR A SYSTEM OF LITERACY!

          Blacks civilizations drying up is just as the same as any European town of old being abandoned and forsaken. It’s a normal process for civilizations to be cyclical, plus when those empires existed there was no electricity or cars or paved roads!! So whatever civilizations that existed was extremely vulnerable to climatic and geographical shifts and trading routes. THUS IT WAS NORMAL FOR SOME EMPIRES TO COLLAPSE OR DISAPPEAR DUE TO THIS FACTOR AT THAT TIME!

          So why the fuck do you need to go to the albino’s for advice, when you CAN USE YOUR OWN CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND MIND TO FIGURE STUFF OUT ON YOUR OWN? These are the same albino’s who didn’t come up with their own writing system or alphabet, and NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A CIVILIZATION OR ANY STRUCTURES OF SIGNIFICANCE UNTIL THE LATE AND END OF THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRES?

        • Funny, you say all of that but where are Whites Now? You talk a big Game about whites…….but where are Blacks currently?
          Call the Greeks whatever you want or claim Whites never did this or that (doesn’t matter your spewing bullcrap anyway) How about you talk about what Blacks did in Comparison? Or maybe what there doing now.

          Go ahead, I WANT you too because I could be currently wasting my time if you can prove it. Nobel Prizes….Independent inventions,….cultural influences…. I mean I’m aware of a few.

        • Idiot?!
          Okay with ALL those ancient Afrocentric hoaxes you claim, lets just say that true, look where they are now with Albinos.

          Lets say they are all true, it doesn’t matter, the Albinos are doing find without there benevolent and great “black ancestors”.

          Civilizations Drying up? That has truth but apparently lately Africa is behind in the rebound statistically speaking.

          You keep on talking about Albinos who are inferior and had no system of writing…..Then why doesn’t MAINLAND AFRICAN BLACKS HAVE INDIGENEOUS WRITING?

          Your dribble on “Albinos” is embarrassing and diluted. I talk about REAL African Achievements that an ALBINO friend of mine actually commented being impressive. But YOUR dribble ignores these things and causes others to regard ANY OBJECTIVE African achievement.

          Why I talk to him when I can do it on my own? Look at a few of his post on Blacks, look in the comments sections. Look at all of those who have little patience with crimes BLACKS COMMIT TODAY. NOT GENOCIDE WHITES DID DECADES AGO, BUT TODAY.

          I don’t waste my time with a lot of them, but I have hurt myself avoiding the truth behind things of the past and excuses. I actually found a way to make things better in a way that Blacks did, but you are just spewing denialist bullcrap.

          But let me get it through your head like this. I do what I do not to shut up racists or what you call “albinos”, I do it because I don’t want to see people get hurt, I’m sick of seeing young teens doing stupid things, I’m tired of seeing single moms with nowhere to go and nothing to do. I’m sick of seeing people of Black, white, Asian, young, old, male, female killed.

          Your sensitivity and ignorance is a spit in the face to all those people.

          I work and learn from Robert Because he is among the few “albinos” who won’t hide the truth but won’t shun me, someone who gets to know me, and support my movement.

          I do have my intellect that I use and I give myself credit for all I have to tolerate from racists comments, but for all my flaws and personal issues it was not only Blacks like my family who put up with me, but Albinos too who I revere to this day and I respect.

          You think I still hate myself after rewarding Albinos? I’ll give it to you like this, I have learn AUTHENTIC African Studies because I learned that while I may not always like what I find, Nothing could replace the feeling of a true achievement that I could share with admirers of history who could appreciate it, So I don’t go for that Diop propaganda.

          I’m not saying you can’t be proud to be Black, but if this is your way to be proud then you are not just a fool, but a racist punk who gives Blacks less credibility in objective research.

          Now, for an example of my intellect I study people’s comments when I find an opponent. From what I can tell from your comments you are capable of taking in a quantity of knowledge and understand coherent concepts (though capacity limited).

          I’m not asking you to “love the albinos” but you actually have the intellect to be who you think you are, but your direction is a weak path that I steered to close too for my own liking in the past.

          So I’m giving you one chance, you can spend the rest of your life as a counterproductive racist troll or you can embrace a true pan-Africanist concept based on West African teachings as a guide to success and actually be able to help people and represent something worth the energy.

          Choose your next words carefully, I want you too as one Black to another.

        • Santoculto

          Phill,
          i have a relevation to say for you

          Gulliver is my cousin, he’s retarded, sorry for its lack of education!!!

        • EPGAH

          Thank you for helping put Gulliver straight.
          Thank you for not accepting history rewrites to make yourself feel better, but actually accepting real history.

          Though I have to admit, it IS funny when Afrocentric rewriters claim to be the “original” Native Americans. If a D student signs his name to an F student’s homework, it’s not really cheating, right?

  6. http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:648320/FULLTEXT01.pdf
    Anyways this is yet another nice piece which supports my theory.

    It details how Igbo political institution were indeed erased due to British reforms. I actually remember reading on Wikipedia how the chiefless societies actually were replaced by chiefs appointed by the british, easily causing deterioration.

    While somewhat siding with the Igbo, it does take notes on imperfections on Igbo society. While their judicial system was actually more impressive than I thought based on this paper, it confirms my speculation that Wife beating was permitted except on holidays of peace, thus leaving the main character of “Things Fall Apart” exiled.

    Figured so, but the society was still impressive for what it was.

  7. Santoculto

    revelation, sorry, i’m retarded too.

    • I figured someone would intervened. Also, hello.
      I’ve seen your comments around this site And I must admit I was looking forward to see you here!

      Anyways, I’m sorry for the case your cousin has but I must admit his mental capacity and reasoning is impressive for someone who’s even functionally retarded. To bad he runs on propaganda.

      Despite the intensity I may show in my comments, I try to be fair with him but assertive with his nonsense.

      Anyways are you aware why he has such an intense anger towards white people, aside from Afrocentric stupidity?

      • Santoculto

        I’m kidding, he’s not my cousin.

        I do not know, it may just be a troll.

        You should despise the things he says, he just repeats the same things. I have explained to him that there are clear differences between albinos and white and more, there are albino whites !!! ” white-white ” ***

        I’m trying to understand, I know many black people, some of which are just spectacular, and I’m not talking about ” intelligence ”, this term so complicated and subjective causes exaggerated emotions between people and ”justify” absurds. I speak of character when you look into the person’s eyes and sees something really good, pure, pure in his eyes, that’s not slush, it’s just the truth.

        The reason for that blacks, i mean, the most numerous groups that have evolved, and do not know since when, for a greater predisposition to violent behavior, is only or primarily because of the higher proportion of low-functioning sociopaths, especially men. As I have spoken several times, it is not the physiological race is the ” mental race ”, which determines the behavior. You have many physiological phenotypes entering in combination with mental or psychological phenotypes.

        The average albino behavior tends to be the same for ALL races, it takes some of the myth that white skin enhances intelligence and improves/better behavior. That may happen in some regions in Africa, but it is not proof that happen everywhere. Even if it does in some respects, this is not a final proof of any universal causality between both attributes.

        When we talk about people, we are basically talking about statistics OR quantitative proportions.

        • Interesting, though sadly I must admit tha Albinos get little respect in Africa. In Mali, one is the descendant of THE DYNASTY THAT FOUNDED THE KINGDOM FROM WHICH THE COUNTRY IS NAMED, and despite being successful he still gets shit.

          Also with your explanation towards Blacks and pathology you indeed share my thoughts as well, though I must admit that even one like me have self destructing behaviors despite people calling me “smart”.

          Even then, I’ve seen darker Black friends who may not be as smart as me but are far more chill. That I think is where the Extrovert succeed occasionally over the “(angry) introvert. Angry introverts (like me) are arguably more “psychotic” than the average extrovert. Extroverts’ pathology stems from being very expressive with emotion though with little deep thought, though with people like me they put too much deep thought with emotions driving them.

          Sadly I think this would be the demographic of smart Blacks that are falling into gang influence, Robert Beck (Iceberg Slim) being among the most Famous of them. This definitely doesn’t help in the project I’m trying to raise.

        • GulliverFredrich

          These days I don’t have time, so I am going to have late responses to things and comments. So be patient and hopefully I will respond to you in time. It’s clear that Phil is a very naive African moron, who doesn’t understand the complicated stuff in life, and doesn’t understand the albino European man. It’s his attitude that illustrates why Africans are behind because gullible afro-idiots like him are too stupid to seperate CAUSE AND EFFECT! That being said, I will deconstruct and prove that Whites are albino’s.

          Just wait and I will get back to you folks later on…..

        • Santoculto

          In communities where ” study ” is seen as a woman thing, will not thrive, there’s no way.

          Yes, I know a family of mulattoes, one was my teacher who tried unsuccessfully to help me learn more than the basics in math. He worked in an atomic power plant in Germany, and is very smart, unfortunately he has no children and is slightly alcoholic. He has two or three brothers, a math teacher and a doctor.

          When you have as demographic epicenter of a population with socially pathological behavioral predispositions, then unfortunately you will have a population where these characteristics will be more dominant because of the large proportion of carriers of these genes and/or combinations of these genes. There seems no other way but to create a culture of separation between these most problematic types than those who are behavioral functional, but found the way to ”eliminate” humanly this predispositions of pool gene. Do what the Europeans and East Asians have done. There appears a problem, a paradox. The genius tends to be correlated with criminal behavior, not all of course, but it seems to me that a number unreasonable. It appears that some types of ADHD are geniuses, or within the spectrum, which in turn tends to relate to anti-social behavior.

        • Santoculto

          Gulli is so terribly stupid that he hate a people (albinos) who have very sensible skin. He should have shame about it, but not.

        • Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not going to put this in on a raw society immediately, if it would work I KNOW I would have to be selective.

          My concept of the “Negro Vulgus” would encompass both those who are unchangeable and those who act like them when undisiplined but has the capacity to be better.

          The women in Blacks societies are probably going to be easier because they are more often more disciplined and have higher IQs more often then men.

          The culture root you described is EXACTLY what I was planning to do because the current is inefficient to effectively utilized potential. How I would “exterminate them”, the best I figured was to be there destiny with the police and community militias (Like Nation of Islam ones, they act as guards at stores and other places to protect the citizens and stop thieves, I just admit it’s impressive). So how does this compare to what the Eurasian did?

          Also for the tip that I’ll do for pathology, it’s actually not as complicated as many would believe. I don’t disagree with inborn behaviors, but what I do believe in is that there is a gradient and how they are expressed can be controlled by discipline. Now I don’t mean modern softer form of discipline, I mean like more elaborate and penetrating ones that won’t hurt them nut sends the message. The key is that it has to be EARLY.

          For example, to function in a successful precolonial community the child was pressured into initiations and followed disciplines in speech, behavior, learning your trade, etc.

          The problem is you have a lot of parents who don’t hold nearly as much responsibility nowadays.

          I’ll admit to you that with my negative traits I am easily angered often and sadly fought others before, but now I reflect and I’m ashamed of what I did.
          That Introvert thinking made me beneficial.

          But what of extroverts? Well, honestly with the extroverted Blacks I met they were indeed pretty decent and fun to be around. It’s Ironic in away that despite the pathology, there comes a coherent positive trend of sociable behavior.

          Well, that serious violent stuff stems from testosterone, so if I can learn how to direct testosterone to a different form of expression in the “culture” I’m thinking off, that could help. However the Igbo won’t leave any leads because domestic violence was permitted so I’m going to have to be original.

          Or I could go with Robert’s Pill plan which I saw no one object in the comments, though these would be reserved for those who really need it.
          Anyways feel free to analyze and criticize because I want this to be as efficient of a plan as possible.

        • Santoculto

          The problem of the use of discipline in the modulation of behavior that in fact actually works, is that it is a excessive and constant effort, while we may have people who are more naturally predisposed to understand what is being proposed.

          Sorry for the rudeness but who are you *

        • My solution to the “more dependent” who saidly can’t be discipline would either aid in another method if I obtain one, or let them live there life and let the learn on his or her own.

          Who am I? Well, what you need to know is that I’m an amateur in subjects like HBD, Black pathology, history, etc. but I’m determined to figure out something.

          I’m a young African American who was raised from a Southern Family who were both Graduate students. The Mother was always diligent as a child and throughout her life, while the father had experience screwing up but became successful and is part of the Greek Fraternity for African Americans, Alpha Phi Alpha.

          Good aspects, was raised in a good spear of influence. Bad, became extremely disappointed in learning that Egypt was actually Caucasian (Alphas express Egyptian symbolism).
          However, I compensated by learning about precolonial Africa. Ever since I read of Ibn Battuta’s description of Mali, the Ashanti’s law system, the Yoruba and of course the Igbo I was seeing a trend.

          It was confirmed by both Robert’s experience by meeting an Nigerian Man and the customs of his village (if you wonder why he was different and had those customs, traditional custom were probably passed down in clans or families to preserve it) and his detailing on what environments make Blacks more stable made me eager to learn more.

          So I learned that there exists a trend of African Stability, but how can that be achieved. Answer, religious influence.

          Religious influence is consistent with many of these placed that I sites, but it’s not just simply there belief in God but how the Culture was tied so close to there cultural cohesion and efficiency. So I guess it would be more of culture rather than religion, but I state religion for a specific purpose.

          Jared Taylor sites how Blacks reverted after Hurricane Katrina, however Priest Jamal Bryant managed to lead a crowd of Black AGAINST the Violence of the Baltimore riots. So am I saying that a culture can turn a thug good? Not REALLY, but based on how the culture works it creates a filter for the functional members of society. If I could achieve that and find a way to fortify by a new institution of culture that they would comply with along with this could create a stable community.

          However, something that I urge strongly, is how important being selective in this process works. In a sense, it’s eugenic. So far, just letting the criminals meet their fate would probably make a larger a larger divergence between the populations if the “Vulgus” portion doesn’t die out. However, their fertility will be a problem. The Police could probably assist of bordering them as well as community watches like I said before.

          Then once the border or elimination is made, the return of African style of efficient discipline and culture could arrive.

          However this seems to quixotic despite it seemingly elaborate to me, so I expect a readjustment of my goals. Overall, a separation of the decent and the criminals along with a fitting culture for the decent would be my base goal.

        • EPGAH

          Also, why does Nwanze say it’s “bad” that the World Bank punishes Welshers, but in another article, admits that it’s a bad thing to be welshers, so much so that only Djibouti would make loans to a Government-run Nigeria Air?

          Secondarily, “Culture Of Separation” — how would that be implemented, without returning to 1950s Segregation — or are you advocating a return to 1950s Segregation?
          It was EFFECTIVE, economically, socially, culturally — and nonwhites could earn their way onto our side with meritorious behavior (This is forgotten in modern narratives about how HORRIBLY UNFAIR the 1950s were). So why suddenly give that up?

          Santoculture talks about the “mental race” rather than physical, which is harder to see at a glance, but easier to see at a rapsheet. I like this idea.
          There are a lot of whites who don’t “Act White” and so should be relegated to life among their fellow savages. And some nonwhites who are well-behaved, well-spoken, so to put them among fellow nonwhites would pretty much kill them. Emotionally at first, then physically when their uncouth “neighbors” find out how much more they earned than the savages.

      • To EPAGH, I would like to say that I do admit segregation had it’s benefits, but I couldn’t help but to feel that biases towards certain groups would arise but that’s not to say that it wouldn’t happen without segregation.

        So whatever your beliefs I’m sure you have good reasoning. I personally think that what should be done is the segregation of the Black statuses and the Vulgus population.

        One would think that Blacks would’ve already done this, right? Sort of, but in black areas you would still have many who have potential but are tainted by the culture. Robert Beck, once a pimp, later became a decent salesman and had written vivid accounts of what his culture did to him.

        Honestly, from what I’ve seen, some Blacks don’t need a High IQ to be amicable and non thuggish around Whites, they just need discipline here or there in a method and intensity like in precolonial times (though nothing TOO extreme.)

        Really what make Black communities in America suck relative to Segregation was that the iq distribution was worst than now and you have lesser roles to make them even half decent. Back then teachers were way better than now, you may’ve not have a lot of bookworms but they had a school system or a chance to get into trade skills.

        So far homogeneity, while efficient, will be a difficult role for America to take. What I would rather propose is a “Eugenic” project to be done with the minority populations in which the segregate and fight against scum. perhaps not “homogeneous” but perhaps “Complementary”. Since it discriminates on the basis of an actual person’s potential rather than blatantly his or her race, it could be more “ethnical” to a sense and less controversial as “deporting”.

        Essentially you would just self segregate and let the police do their job. The crime may take time to diminish but you wouldn’t need a to go through the trouble of Blacks defending scum. You may have a problem, but at least more will by your side.

        With Blacks you’ll find a fraction who will not associate with certain people, but then you have others who are clueless about. However when you have those who start to be in what I call a “grey area” it starts to get tricky. I mean you have dumb blacks who wouldn’t psychopaths but then you have smart blacks who are.

        I like the Idea of “mental race”. Goes along with what I experience and would like help in making a society with homogeneities’ advantages.
        So your style of thinking there is pretty on point with mine. Hell I had more Asian fan white friends than Black ones in terms of “clicking” mentally and I’m not even Mulatto, only 20%.

        Also, with your comment towards Afrocentric writers, I think it’s even funnier when they try to associate with Australian Aboriginals, I mean at least Blacks traded and had Agriculture.

        I heard Aboriginals didn’t even know that babies came from sex, but rather spirits. I mean I’m not trying to beat them up, I’m just curious why do Blacks want to associate with them so much.

        Oh and concerning Nwzane I’m not sure, but this is a case where can I see the articles so I can figure it out.

        • not “ethnical” but “ethical”

        • EPGAH

          As to those prejudices you mentioned, they come about because of the perceived aggregate behavior of a group. We have the stats to prove it now, Robert Lindsay has reprinted a few of them on this very site (If you check the Archives), but back then, it was just a guess that happened to be correct more often than not, and self-selected for because if you acted as if it were true and it wasn’t, you could apologize, but if you acted like it was false and it wasn’t, you’d be robbed/raped/dead!

          If that behavior changes, the prejudices will eventually discard.
          If there are laws to “forcibly remove prejudice” like the SJWs push for, that actually creates a Protected Class, then resentment of said Sacred Cow.
          Take Affirmative Action, or Hate Crime/Hate Speech laws in America, PLEASE!

          Or take how Black Judges VERY MUCH interfere on the side of the criminal — as long as it’s Black!
          http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/27/need-a-reason-for-mandatory-minimums-meet-one-of-the-worst-judges-in-america/
          A thug causes a lifelong phobia in a little girl… And that gets it probation?!

          Take a wild guess where the idea of Blacks as a monolithic bloc comes from!

          However, we’re seeing some hopeful cracks in the monolith. That Spring Valley schoolgirl that attacked the cop and got the cop fired? WHITE AND BLACK students are all protesting FOR HIM TO GET HIS JOB BACK!

        • Damn, also I heard somewhere in the Midwest a White Cop and rookie Black partner got killed about a year back……didn’t hear much afterwards.

          Thanks for being optimistic for those Blacks youths who know justice!

        • EPGAH

          Look at all the proof whites or blacks have to bring for ID for anything, but illegals get it because demanding ID is “racist”…Or the furor over Voter ID, even though we need ID for any other transaction, from a bus ticket to a credit-card purchase?

          Pundits here are even saying this year’s election will be decided by the MEXICAN VOTE! What other country gets its vote decided by an enemy country?

        • EPGAH

          I’m optimistic, yes, but I’m also worried when I see things like Clinton meeting with Thugs Lives Matter leaders–the epitome of the ones you mentioned that value criminals over their victims? Yeah, those ones.

          I hope Trump wins.

          The Optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds.
          The Pessimist fears he may be correct.

          Sorry if I’m talking too much about American politics, but America seems to be going out of control, and what the dumb violent ones — white, Black or Other — don’t get is if America collapses, we ALL go with it, no immunities!

        • EPGAH

          And sadly, you’re right, cops can get killed, the media will kind of drop the story, a thug ATTACKING a cop gets killed, and it’s all you’ll hear about, 24/7 for months afterwards!

  8. Santoculto

    Phill,
    what ”Igbo contact” was so impacttul*

    • Oh, are you referring what caused it to deteriorate? Well the thing was ever since Europeans studying Igbos before colonialism they never saw the point in having a chiefless (or kingless) society. I personally think the problem they had with it was that it made things harder for European to make economic gains off of them.

      Anyways, during colonialism they replaced their customs of life, trade, and organization with their new ones.
      Now, I urge the point that I don’t think the new culture was horrible. A matter of fact, they made them more “civilized” by abolishing many horrible acts of archaic tradition but on the other hand the second link I posted deals with how when the made new institutions they didn’t consider what worked in the older systems like their status customs, judicial customs, economic customs, etc.

      Of course, missionaries didn’t care and now the Igbo became more and more bare, though the British State probably maintained things despite of this.

      Where “Things Fall Apart” was when the State left and due to a poor ass reinstitution of “Democracy” and discipline the “Negro Vulgus” portion of the population increased and you know the story behind Blacks and criminality with their fertility rates.

      Of course, this isn’t meant to point blame at any one or say colonialism contributed nothing, or to gloat about precolonial Africa, but rather to note a significant contrast between the societies.

      • Santoculto

        Yes, it is interesting to think that the progress that colonialism brought African societies was significant and saved many lives being snuffed out by these archaic and abhorrent practices and some are still visible such as superstitions regarding albinos.

        I’m trying to understand about the Igbos. I have noticed some of them similarities to the Jews in the West in terms of behavior. Sure, it’s totally superficial observations, I have very little knowledge on this subject, but I hope I can contribute something.

        • Yes, that’s a trend about them since precolonial observation! However I originally dimissed the idea as part of a Eurocentric theory of the “Hamitic Hypothesis” that advanced Blacks, like the Igbo, descended from Whites.

          The Mathilda Blog even confirmed my thought by comparing them to a black group that actually would fit the description called the lemba, that shown little correlation.

          Now regarding the H.H Theory, I do believe in Outside influence and genetic ties but not in a place like Nigeria in precolonial ages.

          However, their recent trend of Entrepreneurship and International success makes me want to reevaluate the idea.

          As far as ancestry is concern, Nigerian Groups do show West Eurasian markers but they most likely came from Nilotic expansions that predated the Bantu Expansion. I believe this due to Cultural similarities between the Nile Valley Nilotic populations and the Igbo and Yoruba ones.

          However, ones who I think are definitely Jews of Central Africa are the Bamileke, because unlike other groups they succeed in Capitalism.

        • Santoculto

          Yes, that’s interesting. As I said, I hope you every success in this endeavor, and I am here to help you in what I am most useful.

          What is the frequency of the Western European markers in these populations *

      • EPGAH

        Well, the Civilized World was based on having a leader who could negotiate with outsiders and make treaties or economic deals on behalf of them.
        Look what happened with the savages in America, when they negotiated treaties–but some OTHER chief decided they weren’t covered by it?

        Or worse, when they sold land, but then decided they could take it back for free by force. Without Russia giving them weapons, that kind of failed.

        • True, but what the Igbo style had at it’s advantage was that political roles and status did exist without leaving it vulnerable to an aristocrat or poor chief bringing it down like other African chiefdoms.

          Basically it was lead by those of the village that were raised to take the responsibility of the village head along with others having responsibilities as well.

          The British replaced it however with chiefs who basically acted as foremen for the Igbo. But like I said they did bring better things for disposition and civilization, but the point I was emphasizing that the institution they already had was admittably a great lose in which the people who once had more active roles in society have degraded.

          This wasn’t really do to racism however, but ignorance in which they weren’t aware about the system’s importance because they only saw that they had no leader. (However I’m actually surprised they didn’t see the Parallels between what they had and Greek Democracy, Though I’m not trying to compare the two in which one was better but it makes me think about how much they regarded that form of Democracy compare to how many praise it now.)

        • EPGAH

          Democracy is reviled by most and only praised when politicians want the WORST of our population to do something/vote for something, particularly to outvote the responsible.

          Are you familiar with the Founding Fathers’ rather…splenetic…views about democracy as Mob Rule and even less complimentary Statements?
          And 230 years later, they’re proven right in the worst way.
          People who suddenly gain power, praise it.
          Those who realize in horror that we’ve turned the candy store over to everyone BUT Charlie, fear it. (Obscure cultural reference to be sure, but I’m sure you’ll get it; you seem pretty well-read.)

          Just to be clear, your belief is that Igbo society degraded because only the Top Men had anything to do, and everyone else was freed to work against society?

        • EPGAH

          Also remember, there’s an African politeness refusal, “I Will Consider It For Eternity”. The British probably considered, “I have to consult with the other chiefs” to be a variant of that, and wanted yes/no answers immediately.

          I used to sell and repair computers for a living, and you’d be surprised how many THOUSANDS of people never said NO, but had to “Ask Their Wives” — and never came back.

          Or of course, you could compare it to finding a file nowadays, some out-of-print app or game, and having to pore through Torrents and praying the Seeds don’t quit, rather than 10 years ago, you could go to MASSIVE download sites — including MegaUpload — and get whatever you felt like at whim? Decentralization breeds inefficiency and bureaucracy!

        • Well, essentially it worked like this.

          In Igbo society, people were given power BUT they were disciplined in there responsibility to work in it. So you didn’t really have as much of a chance for some political monopoly to gain it way to ranks. Situations however did occur with the Ekoi people under the Etki society (predecessor of the modern Nigerian local government) in which police brutality and corruption did occur…..because the people stated how they were dependent on the Ekti to get stuff done. They didn’t have political momentum amongst the people.

          You were basically assigned your place and worked as a part.

          However when the British assigned new Chiefdoms, other political practices for the people vanished thus the people lost momentum to actually take part in poltical activity and maintainment once the British state left (those who actually did stuff).

          This leaves you with a modern Feudal System. Rich political figures swindle the poor, thieves run amok, corrupt polices officers and the people just take it or don’t organize by efficient means and just become militia recruits.

          So what the Igbo lose was their will to be politically active and responsible in your community.

          Actually, the Democracy you’re describing is quite similar to what is going on NOW in Nigeria.

          So you’re sort of getting my picture, that political responsibility was deeper throughout Igbo culture but was lost during colonialism due to the British being unaware thus ALLOWING such things to happen like you described under independence.

    • Hhhhhmmmmm…….Well in people Like the Yoruba the Neanderthal levels are at 0.5 percent, so if a European is at 4-5 percent then I would (crudely) estimate……..10%?! Now that doesn’t seem right….

      Well, whatever the percent is it’s obviously not enough for them the population to independently free itself from it’s crime ring they have for an infrastructure.

      Actually their Western Eurasian markers, so they likely cam from Semitic/ Berbers populations rather than European (Well, the admixture that was precolonial rather than the admixture dureing contact.)

      • Santoculto

        How we can know that this ”western eurasian markers” are genetically foreigner OR not***

        • Santoculto

          i mean, genetically intrinsical of native african populations*

        • How, well I think it due to them being of an early group of Eurasians that doesn’t match “Colonial Europeans”. You could learn more on dienkes blog about it

          http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/10/west-eurasian-admixture-throughout.html

          The Yoruba apparently have 6-7%. Not quite my estimate, but rather large though…

        • Santoculto

          Yes, i already follow this blog in the past but today i start to avoid ”deep genetics”, i’m not specially good in genetics and no have motivation to learn more about it.

          My question is about ”how geneticists know that some ”genetic marker” or ”haplogroup” are western european or african** What is the technical mechanisms they use to identify and separate this markers*

        • I believe they look for phenotype genetic sequences that are unique mutations to certain locations, but beyond that I’m just as confused as you.

    • Santoculto, some interesting news. Remember that article I told you about with West Eurasian genes throughout the Sub Sahara? Well, it turns out their was some over estimations according to the erratum in the update.
      http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/10/west-eurasian-admixture-throughout.html

      What’s weird though, is that I’ve read about the features of Yoruba being negroid but less pronounced being described very often in old reports but I believe I know why. One kingdom, named Ife, what usurped by the Fulani and many joined Islam afterwards. However, I’ve also read of Oyo, a different one, being said to have the traits as well though they were tributaries to the Hausa kingdoms as well so perhaps some mixing happened there as well.

      Then again, I think the erratum may be talking about the spread of west Eurasian genes in general rather than the record levels of admixture.

  9. Santoculto

    I’ll admit to you that three years ago, more or less, I had a prejudiced vision for Africa. It always looks very close and all perspectives to avoid this kind of lazy and dangerous thinking.

    The most important is to give the right weight to things, without overdoing it.

  10. Jason Y

    White people are actually the result of inbreeding and incest since they are race of fixed albino’s. By inbreeding you keep traits like blonde hair and blue eyes or brown hair and blue eyes, look up OCA albinism-2. The reason why whites look the way they do is because of incest and inbreeding albinism.

    Also this is the same reason why Whites by default are 1/3 black African and 2/3 thirds Eurasian. That black DNA in White Europeans prevents the spillover effects of inbreeding as we see in the Muslim world and the Arab world and elsewhere.

    Ummmm, no. 🙄 Your trying to imply imbreeding is good. The case of the the Muslim world shows it clearly isn’t. What’s there to argue, when the science and statistics are all there for anyone to see.

  11. Actually, the Igbo possibly committed to eugenics, at least the centralized ones. The Aro Confederacy for example, while they did do slave raids, traded mostly there criminals.

    Following that, Igbo Slaves were mostly of Negro Vulgus and took part violent rebellions and suicide (a taboo in Igbo culture).
    So these would hardly be representative of Igbo people due to that. However Other Igbo Slaves were debtors or capture people as well.

    Regardless, I think it wouldn’t be accurate to give them the blame fot US Black pathology because Southern ones were mostly from Rice growing groups, Nigeria having few, plus the Igbo slaves’ reputation preceded them and which made them even more undesirable though Mixing likely did occur when the slave trade ended.

    • Though the Caribbean actually has higher amounts which could explain overlap in Murder Rates despite having the advantages of more updated cultural influence.

  12. http://armchairprehistory.com/2012/06/29/why-nations-fail-and-the-fate-of-lele-and-bushong/

    This could display differences in terms of ethnic groups in Africa despite linguistic and geographical similarities.

    • What I mean is that many would argue how is it that People like the Edo or Igbo could vary so different to similar groups or differ so much today?

      Well, this example shows significant difference could occur with African to such a radical degree, and this also give insight into a optimum African commoner traits to exist in precolonial times.

      One of them is the “hard working trait”, which was a description in that Ashanti book Robert mentioned ,which like the Kuba described in the Link had an ancestral kingdom.

      Along with traits like standard customary discipline, sense of organization, ability to understand technique, and the ability to interact within your group and share amicability with others this could explain what traits existed in populations that achieved these standards of society.

      Another topic would be the common trend of the most advance pagan kingdoms of Africa often having councils. This is likely due to the village base being communal. Unlike man Eurasians who are probably more adapted to independent function, the Africans are more adapted to collective functioning but once you have the institutions of statuses while maintaining the collective nature you could give rise to something democratic-like.

      I draw this conclusion from the Jola. They’re society has no caste and egalitarian like the Igbo, but they have some formation of initiation and awareness of clans, and likely aware of who were the heads of those families. This formation can be thought of like an “early stage” before the age grades the organizes the Negro Minors and council of family heads of the Igbo.
      And when you factor in the variation of African ethnic groups the development of these democratic societies doesn’t seem as unlikely as one would think. Though most of these types exist in West Africa, and the communal nature may not always develop into a council. It could develop to simply a chief who is very close to the people like the Mande Kings of Ghana or Mali. Not only that, but they could also develop into societies like that of the Ekti society. Basically it was the predecessor of modern Nigerian corrupt functioning and police brutality was very common. Basically anti-missionaries when you consider them still holding archaic practices such as cannibalism.

      So the process of political development in Precolonial Africa could from communal foundations.

    • Santoculto

      Bad ”elites” explain MOST of problems in any nation. I no have more doubt about it.

      • You said “I no have more doubt about it.”
        I thought you were referring to my argument above explaining how the governments of precolonial times developed.

        If that wasn’t what you referring to, what else?

        • Santoculto

          I don’t understand your question.

        • Santoculto

          It’s a general/universal conclusion. Bad elites in any country will have as result more problems.

        • Oh! Now I see. Now that I think about it the Ekti people were probably those “chiefs” that stole from the population that Robert talked about earlier.

        • Santoculto

          Phill,
          what your estimatives for ”genotypical iq-intelligence” among africans, igbos and other populations* I mean, African with an modern european socio-economic environment (look disastrious, industrial revolution is super bad for enviroment… whatever just a hypothetical bad example).

        • Though I think areas that are near and have mixed with other populations have more of likelihood to create high achievers, it’s actually Nigeria that has gotten a lot of attention with it’s geniuses.

        • Santoculto

          ”Though I think areas that are near and have mixed with other populations have more of likelihood to create high achievers, it’s actually Nigeria that has gotten a lot of attention with it’s geniuses”

          I’m preferring wises than geniuses, see the ” West ”.

        • EPGAH

          Which geniuses would those be, exactly, the scammers or the pirates?
          The last thing the world needs is smarter thieves!

        • EPAGH, I was reffering to successful immigrant who were still distinguish among screened African immigrants as well as business owners in Nigeria.

          Scammers are mostly punks or graduates who couldn’t find work.

          Now I ‘m not trying to get into a debate with you, but I must be honest your comment doesn’t contribute much to this topic. I am well aware of the various failures and display of pathology of Blacks, hell I’m an angry introvert which would be the flaws in even smart blacks, however I made it clear at the bottom of introductory comment that political ideals of Blacks in the comment section would be counterproductive in objective discussion.

          I’ve seen your opinions, frustrations, and perceptions towards Blacks and I can’t place you wrong on too many so i deem you justified to an extent but i can’t ignore this obvious baiting.

        • Santoculto

          EPGAH,
          is obvious that Phil here don’t want to refer about ”scammers of pirate” when he talk about nigerian genius.

          Phil,
          i read a little text of a nigerian feminist activist and impressed me agreeably. One of the best writings on SANE feminism I’ve ever read.

        • EPGAH

          Is it baiting when I point out a certain pathology that Nigeria as a nation is known for?

          Robert a few months ago pointed out you don’t have bad people in a good culture, so to have a whole NATION known for being bad, it’s a systemic failure of the culture. Making them smarter without fixing the culture makes them more capable to do harm.

        • EPGAH

          Let’s get their BEHAVIOR in order before we start commending their abilities, and don’t upgrade that until they behave, otherwise we’re helping them rob us.

          If thieves were stupid, we could recommend the next Nigerian scammer contact our good friend Poe Leece and turn themselves in!

        • Santoculto,
          Feminists in Nigeria, compared to those to the left, I must admit would likely have more credibility and a more authentic sense of what prejudice is and what form of Justice should be undertooken due to them practically living in the worst hub of human rights violations.

          The sad part is that I think precolonial Igbo were better than many Nigerian Husbands NOW, because according to “Things Fall Apart” they had one week to devote to non-violence and violations would result in exile.

          Damn, I mean on one hand it seems Nigerian sort of advanced in predisposition due to the type of culture they live in now due to colonialism but the problems lies in stable institutions of society.

          For example, one Igbo from a village could be helpful on his own but probably as well as an educated on of today but back then community functioning was there forte.

          I had to get that straight because I was seeing too many inconsistencies in my observations.

        • Oh BTW I’m actually African American of slave decent, not an immigrant.

          However I did live next to a nice immigrant family from the congo for about a decade. Smart family.

          I’m just well read on the studies, but I always make a habit of fact checking before making am assertion.

        • With Feminism in mind, Yoruba may’ve been better.

          I’ve read on a feminist paper that they didn’t have the “role of women” in their societies. This is often titled “The Yoruba didn’t know what Gender was.”

          I mean likely they did have a conscience of gender differences, but not assigned gender restrictions. I did hear of the Fon, a similar people, of Dahomey actually having Females act as assistants to male political figures.

          Makes sense for their case, the women soldiers dubbed “the Amazons of Dahomey” were given much praise from a European perspective.

        • EPAGH, my point was not to commend abilities or talk about progress without pointing out flaws.

          My point was to observe the process via an established institution and observing possible potential that caused such in both the past and present.

          Look, Like I said before I’m not ignorant of the current state Nigeria is in, nor am I saying that “given them a better culture” will solve everything.

          As a matter of fact, my point was that it would have to be selective with the individuals who would function under the system. I even encourage discipline to established to make them prompt for society just like the precolonial strategy because they won’t be “good” without it.

          Also, a WHOLE nation? I think what you mean is that it has a high percentage of scum, because if you are actually suggesting that every last one, that I know for a fact you haven’t met (nor is saying “I met enough of them” a valid answer), is scum that is unrealistic.

          I’ve read articles by an ACTUAL SMART NIGERIAN who has complained about the problems and issues of his society. He is aware that the solution is up for the people to take power against corruption but they don’t He did mentioned close moments but they ended unsuccessfully. So I’m logically going to take his words over yours. His name is Cheta Nwanze and I suggest reading this for his insights.
          http://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/156402-will-never-revolution-nigeria-cheta-nwanze.html

          As far as the criminals getting smarter, if you mean the actually Vulgus population, I’m not sure. However I am aware that Smart Blacks are indeed capable to be criminals due to “angry introvert” personalities. I even ADMITTED IN MY FIRST REPLY TO YOU that I am one because I have done stupid acts due to my tendencies that were borderline pathological. So if you want to take advantage asking someone with “pathology” on what it’s like or what experiences I had or how do I work on it feel free.

          So it’s a possibility based in on those principles that you could have smarter criminals, but if it’s actually happening I’m agnostic to such an occurrence.

          You may’ve not been baiting, but nonetheless your statement is not a concern because your belief that behavior will ruin the potential and result in worst effects is not beyond my understanding and discipline was already a principle of my “solution”.

          If you feel unsatisfied in me answering your questions then please elaborate what you do want from me, because from my view I already took account of behavior + potential = a more efficient thug because my father was one, plus Robert’s mentioning of white Drug dealers.

        • To EPAGH, I’m actually planning on writing more, and while this one won’t be next, I’ll be actually doing a list of African Leaders who brought Blacks closer to civilized manner. This would include leaders who were either adopted European Influences to restructure their society or those who introduced their own form of Advancement.

          This would be added to show precolonial examples of what type of figures African Leaders should be and what sort of people would take the step to “remodel” a society to higher standards.

          Hope that interests you. Though I must admit, I can’t shake off the feeling that such a post would symbolize failure but actually it should symbolize those who made the first step.

          Based on Robert’s speculation he thought Africans made great strides relative to the past and while I’m sort of yes and no about some aspects, I believe these people who embraced it deserve credit where it is due.

          My #1 candidate might surprise you with his feats.

        • EPGAH

          I am interested, although I have a disturbing “feeling” of whom you’re going to Name, which will provoke a whole spiel of whether ends justify means…

        • Who do you think I’m going to put? I’m interested if you have such a controversial figure.

          I didn’t want to spoil it, but for things to be settled it was going to be Khama the 3rd.
          But I’ll keep his exploits secret for now.

          As well for those prejudices. You seem pretty accurate in your assessment.
          Personally I don’t like Affirmative action because it makes me question my ability to make it on my own and it puts talented whites at a disadvantage.

          Plus Hate Speech Laws and Hate Crime, to me I don’t feel that any forms of prejudice should be inflicted onto any group, but noting serious criticism towards a group’s actions and labeling it as “hate” or creating what you call a protected class I must admit is ridiculous.

          If Blacks commit a form of illegal prejudice towards whites, such a slurs, crimes, etc. they should face the same consequences. However if this can’t actually take place, reevaluation of behavior is at hand.

          If a group causes a social disturbance that should be noted but should dealt with carefully because many people can’t seem to handle addressing this seriously or taking it realistically. Some would deny it, others would go overboard to unrealistic proportions, but only few could actually grasp it at first. This due to our nation’s weak ability in modern day America to Grasp that.

          Let me tell you something, what really hurts is when the society around you has made it setted up that I must feel sympathy for a thug rather than the decent who are already dead.

          I must fight for the stupid, violent and amoral, but not feel sympathy for those who I share a “mentality” with merely because of Liberal Media or else I must be ashamed of being Black.

          Now I found keys towards advancement that are authentic and of Black history in which they separated from the criminals, now I will find those who I have seen who don’t tolerate this behavior but not self haters who can stand up and say “We are better than that!”

          However, such individuals are often Brainwashed and I feel alone.

        • EPGAH

          Oh, I had thought you’d name Mugabe, who despite massacring half Rhodesia’s population — INCLUDING BLACKS OF THE “WRONG” TRIBE — claimed to have raised Rhodesia’s literacy rate to over 90%.
          Thing is, he won’t allow outside auditors to check if that’s true. As Castro “proved” (and illegals from Cuba later disproved), if the dictator says so, your country can have a “100% Literacy Rate”™ — It will just be debunked later, and make you look like a bigger fool when the truth comes out!

          You know, like when Afrocentric history-rewriter Blacks claim to have invented anything from air conditioners to computers? Except someone like me who actually KNOWS about computers knows this is a HUGE LIE, and takes it a bit personally, being perhaps a bit more vicious than I have to in putting the liar in its place!

          Yes, the media — and apparently much of the populace? — have to feel sympathy for the thugs rather than the victims, or we’re “racists”. Blacks who think for themselves are not only racist, but “Uncle Toms” to boot! (By people who’ve never read the book! He was actually a good, responsible, long-suffering Christ-like figure.)
          And “racist” is an AMAZING stop-thought word in and of itself! Sort of like “heretic” was in the 1600s, or “Commie” was — with far greater cause — in the 1960s (The Verona papers and later bragging-confession by Yuri Bezmenov showed that McCarthy was not only RIGHT, but didn’t go far enough! But I digress.)

          There’s a joke on the Internet that RACIST is actually an acronym. It stands for Rather Annoying Communist Inspired Silencing Tactic to shut down any discussions related to the scientific study of race and its implications. Have you heard that one?

          Are you a fan of Tommy Sotomayor, one of the few blacks on YouTube who points out “This behavior is BAD! We can do better! WE HAVE TO DO BETTER!”? He gets a LOT of hate for that!

          Kudos on pointing out that Rockwell and Muhammad DID make a brief truce — although one based on separation of skin-color rather than separation of IQ Levels. (Or how do you measure capability?) Not only that, Rockwell gave $20 to his cause ON STAGE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE! Back then, that was a lot of money…And this was Elijah Muhammad, the guy who said — ON CAMERA — to kill all white babies!
          You and I both know if ANY white guy said to kill all Black babies, he would’ve been beatdown by the thugs, THEN jailed by the Law. IF there was enough left of him.

          That’s the Sacred Cow Double Standards I was hinting at before.

        • TO EPAGH, Ha!
          Trust me I still have plenty to choose rather than him. Besides, I was actually going for precolonial ones anyways during the early age.
          BTW, I actually have that Uncle Tom Book in my house.

          I keep a lot of unread books that my family has read. I’ll take a look!

          However, with that in mind with the concept of an “uncle tom”, I do believe in those who would just hate themselves and suck up to Whites, but I don’t confuse it with amicability towards whites.

          Blacks who hate themselves I dislike because they are actually better than many people in general, especially Blacks, because they can recognize their flaws. This is arguably the biggest threat to Blacks, the inability to see their imperfections and work on them. So wasting you time about your “Blackness” is stupid if you already know about it. It would be tough to fight urges but I managed. These people while wasting their time with that could actually become better.

          Also I would like to share how I came up towards all of this. During the Baltimore riot, Priest Jamal Bryant organized a crowd of his Black followers to fight against the violence.

          He’s been caught up in a infidelity controversy a few years back, but I’ll give him this that he does recognized the effect that gang violence gives his community and doesn’t go with that “oppression” crap.

          What he did was bring Blacks further during such calamity as opposed to Katrina the Jared Taylor cites. From that moment on I saw a trend of light for Blacks that I began to notice through their history. With a religion that recognizes crime of murder and lack of diligence, they follow the filter towards a positive culture.

        • EPGAH

          Yes, that’s true, inability to recognize — or sometimes even ADMIT THEY HAVE FLAWS (Like the history rewriters, “It is not US, but the WORLD that is wrong!”) — is why some won’t improve, but the other end is beating themselves up over flaws instead of improving.

          Yes, I remember that preacher, and there was also a Vietnam War Veteran who tried to SHAME them out of rioting? He met with success — but only briefly.

          Yes, I DID find them much more inspiring/unifying than the Katrina “Bush Doesn’t Care About Blacks” whiners. Bush DID care, but he didn’t want to fight both the Governor AND Mayor who had told him in no uncertain terms to butt out — then returned to jurisdictional squabbles rather than helping the citizens. There is an aerial photo making the E-Mail rounds of a MESS of buses that could’ve been commandeered and gotten everyone out safely. The count varies, but the point is still valid. They squabbled so much about WHO should save them, they didn’t get saved!
          Like I said about the Igbo governmental structure, decentralization causes bureaucracy and inefficiency…and inefficiency KILLS!

          Des Moines Iowa had a flood far more recently, but rather than whine that “Obama Doesn’t Care About White People”, they rescued each other, and rebuilt on their own!

          I also tried to contact you on your YouTube page, but I understand if you don’t want to talk there?

        • To EPAGH, you know….I often find myself independently having ideas that people in the past that I never learned about already did.

          With what that Youtuber said is very close to what I believed from reading about how precolonial Africans who separated from Criminals.

          I even Thought of a Brief speech,

          “In Medival Mali, a Man called Ibn Battuta who thought we were Backwards commended us on bidding the law.

          In the Ashanti Empire, we saw crimes as disrespect to our ancestors and were holy crimes,

          In the society of the Igbo, murders and thieves were not defended unless proven just in law, not because of them being our ‘kin’.

          We Negroes of America must’ve truly gone Backwards, because apparently back in the past we had an understanding of right or wrong, we had a set of standards, in the early years a community could say ‘We are better than that!”

          Granted this didn’t go for all Precolonials, but still you could find more people who would have no sympathy for thug nature than in today’s culture.

          These principles that I learn from the past I don’t use to make up for today, but to use as roots to build for tomorrow.

        • EPGAH

          Me too, I keep thinking I have “original” solutions, but people before me had them already, and phrased them far better than I ever could.
          So I’m the Unintentional Plagiarist.

          I like your speech.

          Which YouTuber were you pointing at? One of the vids I linked you to, or someone on my Profile, or whom?

      • That’s something that’s actually being discussed. From what I heard, the Edo (Yoruba sub set) were said to have larger skulls than Igbo, though Igbo’s are really succeeding along with the Yoruba.

        So I’m honestly not so sure in terms of IQ estimates, but Robert speculated in his “black intelligience” posts that nigerian college student average IQ could be 85, but I’m not sure.

        But what I am sure about is that the Bamileke are sure to be IQ outliers in their country, they also gain a reputation too plus their breeding style different from other Africans so that gives them more of a eugenic explanation.

        But Now that I remember, someone did state how Sierra Leone had a higher National IQ than a few Eastern Europe and Middle Eastern Countries based on Richard Lynn’s findings.

        The I could say right Now is that SS Africa could have more potential in IQ than many people would believe.

        • Santoculto

          Yes, interesting, by logic, areas with high genetic diversity, tend to have higher phenotypic variation, but then we do not know whether it can be applied to all the features.

          You are an African immigrant who is living in the USA * Of which tribe you belong *

        • However, if I could roughly reconstruct my African composition though…

          I’m part South Eastern Bantu (this is due to Mozambique slaves sent to the Caribbean where my grandfather is from or South Carolina where most of my heritage comes from) that would also carry Horner DNA too surprisingly along with Khoi San traces.

          Congolese, perhaps from the actual Kingdom of Congo, with Pygmy mixture (my father’s family is rather short, so they are likely the Candidates)

          Yoruba, Ashanti, Mandingo, and possibly a variation of Fulani due to many Southern Slaves coming from Sierra Leone.

          My European ancestry is speculate is a somewhat Alpine.

          My Native American Ancestry being somewhat close to Cherokee, or whatever Lumbee Indian’s Native heritage is (they are essentially a tri-racial group in North Carolina who are a mix of white, red, and black, similar to some Central American modern populations.)

          I’m Roughly 60% West African, maybe a little closer to 70%, about 10% ofother parts of Africa, maybe about 15% European, and about 4-5% Native American based on my understanding.

          Though If I have to Admit, I come off as something between a Mandinka, Ashanti, or Yoruba based my African Features.

        • Santoculto

          You say you have a personality disorder *

          interesting about their knowledge regarding their genealogical racial composition. I even had some interest, but since I began to delve into the philosophy that lost the will to know more about me in this regard. For the rest, I am looking almost completely white, but I’m interbred, especially from mother. It is a recurring pattern in Brazil, which was settled by white men and their non-white women.

          I have 2 Portuguese great grandparents on the paternal line, and a possible Italian great-grandmother on the maternal line. I do not have any information about my relatives not white, but it seems they were successions of crossbred lines, the typical Brazilian mestizo who does not have a well-marked phenotype.

          I also believed that I had a personality disorder, but realized it are the people who usually have, my only ” mental disorder ” is to be too sincere. It bother most people and increase the chances of being considered as a ” mentally ill ” too. Perhaps by some perspectives, be very realistic, can be considered as a ” mental illness ”. For example, just now I discussed on facebook with a man on eating meat, I’m a vegetarian. I get very angry when I see a person trying to justify the unjustifiable, I wonder where was that human evolution has gone wrong.

        • Santoculto

          In 2008, when I entered college, I had a liberal phase, in terms of politics. I remember that when I became interested in studying about Italy, I was sad that this country is not as multiculti as Sweden and France, and was flushed they treat ill immigrants.
          So I remember reading the text of a Canadian Jew, Stein surname on the future of Europe and its similarity to the fall of the Roman Empire. I came to imagine films in which American scientists come to the depopulated Italian villas in a dystopian future.
          All my suspicions as to what was happening around me, through the media and the suppression of free debate on issues ” sensitive ” within my social circle, took shape and I became a quasi-neo-Nazi. However, this was a response regarding an internal conflict within my mind, acceptance of my sexual condition. This conflict has always existed, will remain until my last days of life, it’s part of me. Now, what has changed is that I’ve been noticing a number of things that until then had not realized.

          I was ideologically polluted. To understand the world you need to see without these blurry glasses.

          You’ve done some qi test * How do you define intelligence * I got tired of this term, I got angry. I see so many smart people, friends, acquaintances, who despite their large capacities, are all atomized in their simplistic lives, giving little value to life around.

        • Oh regarding my disorder, I don’t know what to call it, but basically I get angry quickly if I feel threatened and sadly have violent thoughts, the most harmless of them being vivid threats to people.

          There’s so much more to explore but I’ll leave at that my weakness made me stronger. I believe that someone who could master their issues are capable in being leagues ahead of others despite IQ, I believe this could be EQ perhaps.

          For Example, in my old days when I would chastise anyone who would “disrespected Blacks or Africa” by stating the truth like EPAGH I would’ve went ballistic but then I learned that you can’t do this, it will leave you weak looking like a fool like Gulliver.

          What you have to do is KNOW your opponent. You need to investigate is arguments, his tone, and try to figure out what kind of guy you’re talking to.
          I learned in a communication class that noise can be produced if your messages aren’t clear, so I try to refrain from being emotional.

          From what I could tell from EPAGH he was not only educated but had a good grasp of the situation with Blacks, though he had unanswered questions about why allegedly “good Blacks” don’t segregate from scum.

          If I were to be an Idiot like Gulliver, I would’ve missed that he shared the same Ideas as me. As much as I see WN’s say and do ignorant things, my REAL problem isn’t the ideas but what kind of person amongst them I could talk to. That was what hurted me the most, of I could find just one of them who could be reasonable I would befriend them instantly and explain my cause. With EPAGH whenever I see he’s serious, I wonder what it would be like if I present myself.

          I was inspired when Elijah Muhammad was able to not only form a coalition but a subtle friendship with a white separatist leader who actually praised him which caused his followers to be disgruntled. While I would say I’m not that extreme as Elijah, I realized how far my ability to “KNOW your opponent” could take me.

          Originally I didn’t like EPAGH because he seemed against Blacks, but then I started to know what he really wanted and to be honest it’s not unreasonable.

        • Santoculto

          I write ” I’m inbred”, lol, well, all of us is the product of incest😉 but the right word is ” mixed “.

          Yes emotional intelligence seems to be extremely important.

          About ad hominem
          When someone start attack you personally, accept all this insults because you will be building a common connection with these person. You need put in the same perspective and try to see what this person is seeing. Change their thoughts by its own perspective IF were the correct to do.

        • To Santoculto

          Exactly, you indeed understand wisdom. Great minds think alike!

        • Santoculto

          Thanks, my idea about intelligence is that this term is very variable, but wisdom is the otherwise, very homogenous, what is right, is right.

          i think black people (and others, amerindians for example) seems retain more ancient good sense (different than common sense) than many or even most of white people who are deeply in their civilization ilusions, like ”christianism” and ”communism”.

        • To Santoculto, I looked up the Sierra Leone average and it turns out it was a biased sample size, the number was 91 and I knew that it was fake due to it being so distinct. I though miscegenation could explain it, but the ratios of Blacks to Eurasians was too low.

          It was picked up by a group of school children who ages weren’t recorded, so the methodology was bad.

          The Good news however is that the Igbo are indeed displaying cognitive attributes different from other Nigerians based on the research of their culture I’ve been looking up.

          Also I’ve seen your blog and I must admit I’m impressed by your insights.

        • Santoculto

          ”To Santoculto, I looked up the Sierra Leone average and it turns out it was a biased sample size, the number was 91 and I knew that it was fake due to it being so distinct. I though miscegenation could explain it, but the ratios of Blacks to Eurasians was too low.

          It was picked up by a group of school children who ages weren’t recorded, so the methodology was bad.

          The Good news however is that the Igbo are indeed displaying cognitive attributes different from other Nigerians based on the research of their culture I’ve been looking up.

          Also I’ve seen your blog and I must admit I’m impressed by your insights.”

          Phil,

          people put emotion where should have rationality where emotion is important too. Is completely expected that some black groups will be different than others, than the current average black that WN know well how are.

          Intelligence, creativity and specially wisdom aren’t exclusive for one group, ‘they’ are universal traits, specially intelligence.

          Thanks, i do my best!

          I know Sierra Leone was one of african nations founded by ex-american slaves but this group become a elite of this country and seems mingled less with natives.

  13. Santoculto

    “egalitarian yet complex,”

    How it could work*

    How was the participation of Igbos in slavery *

    • Well the decentralized Igbos were likely slaves caught in raids.

      The ones that were centralized townships were the ones who took part in the capture and trade. The Major one was the Aro Confederacy who I mistaken for the Akwa of Nri in the article.

    • By “egalitarian yet complex” that was how many described the system in my sources.

      Basically a clear organization of status was held in terms of age and political role, but no one was real “above” the limits of the general public. The Priest in the decentralized format was just a judicial figure and the councilmen were heads of regular families so it was rather plebian thus there was relatively lower risk of, say, an aristocrat taking advantage of the people’s rights.

      However, in the centralized Version like the Aro would be less efficient in such precautionary measures.

    • Also, in Awka, it was actually noted that their indentured servitude was not as forceful such as the Slavery in the West Indies.

      Basically what they had was segregation between Freeman and Slvaes when they eat.

  14. Jason Y

    Of course, albinos are picked on in Africa, just like big eyed Asians are picked on in Asia. It’s just human nature, though cruel. I wouldn’t think too much of it. Maybe if they became Christians or something, they would repent and feel bad about being such assholes.🙄 Otherwise, we always have hell.😆

    • Jason Y

      Of course, in an advanced society, the people doing most of the “picking on” are either kids or retarded, so I wouldn’t make too much of it.🙄 Seems to be more a case of immaturity.

    • EPGAH

      Actually, the problem with Africa, albinos are chopped up to sell the pieces as Magic Charms.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215949/The-albino-tribe-butchered-feed-gruesome-trade-magical-body-parts.html

      Or is that what you meant by “picked on”?

      • Did you see m comment of how one will still get shit even if the descended from a King?

      • Jason Y

        My guess the tribe chopping up the albinos has a low IQ coupled with savagery.

        • Jason Y

          Isn’t it true that in medevil times, Europeans were just as savage, torturing people with various devices, beheading them, and burning them alive.🙄

        • EPGAH

          Ah, the Spanish Inquisition. I was wondering when you’d bring that up!
          Please remember, the Europeans in the medieval times retreated into walled cities and castles, the areas in between being bandit wastelands.
          SOMEONE — whether Jews or not — smuggled weapons inside the walls and gave them to Moslems who pretended to be peaceful UNARMED traders. These suddenly armed “traders” slaughtered the guards and took over the cities. Then Europeans were slaves of terrorists IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES for over 700 years!

          Once they threw off the terrorists’ yoke, and kicked the terrorists out — even if they refused/failed to wipe them out — they scourged their own for more of these sleeper cells.
          If you knew you HAD to wipe out traitors in your midst who would arm your enemies, and you knew the alternative would be dying or slavery under terrorists (Remember they neuter their slaves!), wouldn’t you do “Whatever It Takes”?

          If you think they lost perspective, they were slaves to terrorists for 700 years! Blacks have “lost perspective” and can’t forgive being slaves for 150 years, even though OUR OWN DEATHS bought their freedom, and due to price or our innate mercy, our slavery was a lot lighter than theirs AND we didn’t even neuter them!

        • Jason Y

          Ah, the Spanish Inquisition. I was wondering when you’d bring that up!
          Please remember, the Europeans in the medieval times retreated into walled cities and castles, the areas in between being bandit wastelands.
          SOMEONE — whether Jews or not — smuggled weapons inside the walls and gave them to Moslems who pretended to be peaceful UNARMED traders. These suddenly armed “traders” slaughtered the guards and took over the cities. Then Europeans were slaves of terrorists IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES for over 700 years!

          Are you saying the torture of the Spanish Inquisition wasn’t done by Christians?

        • EPGAH

          It was COMPLETELY done by Christians. But they had a good reason: 700 years of slavery under Moslem terrorists! They didn’t want to get betrayed into slavery again!

          Think of McCarthyism — it was proven right by the Verona Papers and now Yuri Bezmenov confess-bragging that Mother Russia started the Political Correctness bullshit that ruined America!

          I already asked you: If you knew you HAD to wipe out traitors in your midst who would arm your enemies, and you knew the alternative would be dying or slavery under terrorists (Remember they neuter their slaves!), wouldn’t you do “Whatever It Takes”?

  15. Jason Y

    Savage behavior is something common to all cultures, Has anyone heard of snuff videos. White people among others with normal or higher IQs will actually pay to watch this. There is a market for it.🙄

    Maybe the root cause in many cases of evil is just the fact people chose evil, were possessed by the devil or some other reason.

    • EPGAH

      The difference is, in Civilized World societies, savage behavior will be punished. Every one who made those snuff videos has been pursued, and the ones they caught, they brought out the actress to show it was FAKE! We went to war to stop Hitler when he got out of line.

      In savage societies, savage behavior is either accepted or even REWARDED!
      Iran FUNDS HAMAS, Palestinians aren’t turning in the terrorists to live in peace with their landlords, Mexicans aren’t turning in drug-dealers or punishing the scum that invades America, etc.
      In the international scene, Russia FUNDED the overthrow of Iran, South Africa, Vietnam, etc., and even gave Cuba a NUKE to threaten us with, rather than trying to stop it, and just what has China done to rein in their insane protege North Korea? If Chinese hadn’t DIRECTLY interfered in the Korean War, North Korea would be something one of us made up!

      The difference isn’t whether you choose evil, the difference is whether those around you will clap or clap you in irons as it were, when you do.

      Do you see the difference?

      • Jason Y

        The solution is to bomb the source, but nobody has the balls. However, lefitsts don’t want to bomb leftists nations. Robert doesn’t. I won’t comment if that’s good or bad.

        Anyhow, bombing Russia could have risked World War III and nukes. Bombing Iran has it’s special problems. Of course, all WNs hate Jews, so they don’t want to bomb Iran, and put Palestinians on a pedestal. But the palestinians like other Arabs are incredibly disfunctional due to first cousin marriage.

        • Jason Y

          Sorry mean to say “so they don’t want to bomb Iran, and they want to put Palestianians on a pedestal.”

        • Jason Y

          The US actually did have a massive ground war with Red China (in the Korean War), but they were unwiling to fight them 100 percent. That’s why MacArthur was fired.

        • EPGAH

          I thought MacArthur was fired because they didn’t want another War Hero becoming President.

          But look back at history. Wasn’t he right? And why WERE we afraid to beat a pre-nuclear China? It would’ve nipped in the bud a lot of problems we’re facing NOW.

          As to bombing Iran, that was popular on both sides among the non-Government people, it became several memes!
          What “special problems” with bombing Iran, other than that Russia backs the bad guy…AGAIN?

        • EPGAH

          And yes, I already said China pouring in the troops was why we “lost” Korea. The Communist terrorists of Korea had already lost, but China didn’t want to have a free country on their borders, so they pushed us back with hundreds of thousands of CHINESE troops to where the border is now. Once again, our halfassness in war instead of Total War, made another enemy country.

          If we had fought WWII with the same lack of fervor we did all subsequent wars, we’d be having this little exchange in German, as Germany would decide we were weak and should be conquered, rather than allied with!

      • Jason Y

        So your saying the land reform of the south didn’t encourage the south Koreans to favor the south, rather than the more nationalistic anti-Japanese Communists? When I was in South Korea, the people are incredibly nationalistic. That’s why they side with North Korea all the time. They don’t give two shits about American ideas of freedom. Everything is about honor and “not being somebody’s bitch”.

        I guess your right though, the US could have went in, assuming they had balls to, and wipe out the North, forcing all Korea to be non-communist, whether nationalist Koreans liked it or not.

        • EPGAH

          Wait, if they’re so damn nationalistic, why not just flow into North Korea and starve together? Why does South Korea keep getting illegals from North Korea?
          For that matter, why does China keep getting North Korean illegals? Better to be a slave than starve? Where’s that “Nationalism”?

          We DID wipe out the north, China put it back. Where’s the honor in that? You start a war, someone else has to fight it for you?

          There’s no question the country wants to be back together, only question is under whose rule? Or to put it your way, who gets to be whose bitch?

        • Jason Y

          Quote by Ep-gah

          Wait, if they’re so damn nationalistic, why not just flow into North Korea and starve together? Why does South Korea keep getting illegals from North Korea?
          For that matter, why does China keep getting North Korean illegals? Better to be a slave than starve? Where’s that “Nationalism”?

          It’s all about pride. That’s one reason why Trump’s future plans to deport illegals will launch a race war, middle east conflict etc..

          Nobody wants to go against their group. No way. They (liberal elite) did get some more left wing whites to do so for a certain time. However, PC is fading fast on the world stage.

    • EPGAH

      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/dylann-roofs-manifesto/#comment-243901
      Here’s another example: Bad Blacks will NEVER condemn their fellows for robbing/murdering their betters. “They need money” makes it OK, right?
      They’ll even burn down whole cities to punish us when the thugs get what’s coming to them!

      THAT is the difference between punishing and standing in solidarity with, savage behavior. Even if you think it’s common to all cultures, the CONSEQUENCES are quite different!

      • Jason Y

        Why is that unique to blacks? Didn’t the French do the same in the French Revolution? Almost every Communist revolution was about common people taking property and rights from rich owners. At least a million or so Chinese landowners were killed, and who knows how many in the Soviet Union.

        • Jason Y

          What ep-gah says is criminal behavior is often interpreted by the persecuted as justice and retribution. Why would the persecuted care about those persecuting them? What do they have to gain licking the master’s boots?😆

        • EPGAH

          Well, if they wanted justice, then they could just turn themselves in.
          What you call “persecution” is enforcement of rules.
          Only children whine about enforcement of rules.
          Thugs are very tough when attacking their betters, but then if they take the worst end of it, they bitch about “genocide” and “Hey, what about the RULES?”

          If they cooperate, they get food, shelter, clothes, a better Standard Of Living than they can attain on their own. America ALONE has rebuilt Haiti 5 times, and it hasn’t “stuck”.

          Here’s a better question for you: If Might Makes Right for the savages, then how much MORE does Might Make Right for the Civilized World?
          You keep saying right-wing Government is against human nature, what about adapting to kill parasites?

          TLDR: If the savages can kill their betters and call it “justice”, why don’t the civilized kill the savages and call that “justice”?

      • Jason Y

        Do the rich have a right to their property? How about in Haiti, where the people themselves were property?🙄 They rebelled and killed the owners. The owners were angry cuase they lost their property which was worth millions, as well as the millions more lost cause that would be no crops.🙄

    • Santoculto

      This is just a typical dishonest comment made by ”Jason”.

      You look my father when he try argue/protect subconsciously the ”good image” that he had about Brazil, a desilusional ”good image”.

      ”In every place is the same”.

      Japan have less than 1 assassination per 1000 person while Brazil have 25.

      He continue arguing ”but in every place is the same”, or ”Brazil were colony for exploitation”.

      Of course, in every place there are bad people but is extremely important to know how is the proportion of bad people. ”Even” in nonhuman natural world there is morality, the difference is that nonhuman animals will be less conscious about its attitudes, a instinctive world, without reflective thinking. It’s doesn’t mean that they are imoral.

      • Jason Y

        Some people with high IQs are just scumbags whose addictions to evil have went overboard. Take the serial killer Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer for instance. You can’t say all people with high IQs are naturally good, just like you can’t say all with low IQs are naturally bad.

        • Santoculto

          I said that??? 😞
          Most of smarter ones look inutile as you Jay. Smarter ones like to use every smart excuses to defend some pseudo-noble absurds.
          Change good sense ( different than common sense) for abstract wrong explanations about reality don’t look smarter or even understandable.
          Example of ” abstract” explanations:

          “Brazil –is– a bad country for blacks”

          what most of lib people not just believe but without any development or little deep investigation. They interpret it on average in a literal way.

          ” more young blacks are killed in USA than white. What is the cause??? Racism”

          Average lib reasoning level.

          I’m far to be conservative but they are right about many things. It doesn’t mean that they are completely justifiable. Again more reasoning please.

        • EPGAH

          No, I think the argument is about the reverse: Better cultures create higher IQs, worse cultures select for strong&stupid.
          Noone argues that there aren’t smart criminals, indeed, I think we should make scum behave before trying to raise their IQ, and thus their capabilities.

      • Jason Y

        In response to Santo Culto,

        The gangs and proverty stricken people in Brazil, just like in the US are huddled into “black Indian reservations” called the projects and left to rot. In Brazil, the situation is even a million times worse, as at least in the US they try to provide civilized housing.

        Anyhow, I see all this as a case of neglect as the government is unwilling to go in and finish off the bad guys. The only people willing to do that would be communists, assuming they could take over as in Cuba. Otherwise, the non-communist goverments of the US and Brazil will just let the “dumpster people” rot in the ghetto. 🙄

        • Jason Y

          Fascist govenments like ep-gah favors, and are prevelant in the third world, don’t care about the poor. They let them rot in a very inhumane fashion. Why would government like what ep-gah favors be the ones most people should support? They’re definitely not the best governments, but the worst.

        • Jason Y

          India is a good example of a place where the lower caste, poor dumpster people are let to rot, especially the untouchables. Did anybody hear of the recent story where two lower caste children, one 8 months old, and the other 2 years old were burned alive.🙄 ?

        • EPGAH

          Where did you get I favor a Fascist Government, or that I’d let anyone rot? The only people rotting would be outside the borders. Mexico’s trash would be rotting in MEXICO’S borders, instead of ours.
          Or we could shoot them at the borders, but wouldn’t that be…Fascist?

          And actually, wasn’t our republic better before we opened the floodgates of voting to EVERYONE? Don’t you think we NEED criteria for voting again, lest we end up with…well, the Wacky Races our political race is turning into?

          And since when did Communists finish off their poor? What do you think Gulags were, or the saying, “Send them to Siberia”? They let them rot too, just out of sight.
          Hell, all major Communist uprisings went through a period of STARVING THEIR OWN PEOPLE! That’s the most inhumane way of killing ever, right?
          If you’re going to do that, do it to the enemy, not your own people!

          So where do you get the best/worst rankings again?

        • Santoculto

          “communists” show “empathy” about “ghetto people” just because they desire change them in permanent dependent electoral market.
          “capitalistic” ones AT LEAST to be realistic about them special the very bad apples and not DANGEROUSLY DELUSIONAL/ completely ignorant like most of libs.
          Libs say autism is a real/ inportant/ dangerous mental condition, I mean, many them who are very pro social or sociable. On other hand most them treat psychopathy/ sociopathy among blacks ( specially ) and other ” minorities ” as nonexistent or understandable, in other words, they “think” both are not truly pathology in a advanced human context just because the perpetrators of suffering are non white and specially black. Why??? Because their masterminds say for they think like that. Innocent People are being killed by futile motivations and this idiotic ( you are like that Jay?? 😆) with their pseudo “rationalizations” just interpret a tragedy of commons where the victim is completely despised.

          Other fallacy about lib supposed superior morality. Libs say they are pro environment but to be pro environment you need at least accept that many people specially lower intelligence AND consciousness are unable to internalize empathetic routine to preserve and improve human relationship with environment. I know because I teach lower IQ students. You need TRY teach us firstly that study may be a good thing, they on average live in a apathetic world and around the world we see that they tend to be negligible with environment and nonhuman animal care. Why expect better behavior for most them if even majority of whites and northern east Asians don’t do it?
          I’m not saying ” whites and east Asians are super better than populations with lower intelligence”. Smart people should understand and interpret it as
          ” whites seems have higher PRO POR TION of subgroups of people who are zealous and very empathetic about nature”

          Of course people with this noble traits there are in other populations even is possible to find certain populations specially those with buddism religion or with amerindian cultural background who are so devote to establish and sustain a good relationship/ understanding with natural world than modern whites or westerners with same cultural/ natural disposition.
          Look Jay. It is a truly analytical approach and not your slight as hominem and cowardice to say ” I’m a independent thinker and not a lib…but my usual narrative in the comment sections are not super independent and look very liberal”.
          People become rich, comparatively speaking, specially because they start reduce their fertility. Delay gratification and reproductive planning explain half of poverty cicle, why some people become poor during their adult life and why other people improve their living standard.
          I’m not denying usual/habitual government hereditary incompetence. Good elites is very likely to make a good countries. But is much better when “you” have a good/ learnable people.
          Your try to make me guilt by “Brazilian incompetence” don’t worked because I’m not Brazilian government. 😂

        • Santoculto

          Jay
          You are putting words in the Epgah mouth. I not see where he defend this kind of bad government. It’s seems a real case of intellectual dishonesty.

        • EPGAH

          Hey, did you hear the bitch who put her own baby in the freezer and killed it is pregnant again?

          Why is it considered “bad” when right-wing people want to put these scum out of everyone’s misery? The alternative is to let them “rot” but worse, keep killing OTHERS in their decay!

  16. Santoculto

    Correcting, it doesn’t mean that ALL OF THEM will be imoral.

    I had a stupid theory about why SOME black people are soo violent. Black skin absorb more sunlinght like black (color) clothing become hotter after sunlight exposure. Sunlight also cause mutations in every living being all the time. How sunlight may affect our brains. Better, how it affect us.

    I read recently that ”warming period” seems to be related with historical violent periods. But there are other probabilities like hotter period be correlated with greater demographic density (and it cause more conflicts) or with dry period and also cause more conflicts for water and food.

    Just thoughts.

    It may be correct but always will be exceptions and just a dozen individuals is likely to prove that this kind of universalistic determinism will be predominantly wrong.

    • Santoculto

      ”I had a stupid theory about why SOME black people are soo violent. Black skin absorb more sunlinght like black (color) clothing become hotter after sunlight exposure. Sunlight also cause mutations in every living being all the time. How sunlight may affect our brains. Better, how it affect us.”

      Also, we have vestige traits like appendix, the same may happen with this kind of ”logical” physio-behavioral correlation, black skin and aggressive behavior, but look, men are more aggressive than women and they tend to have darker skin than women. Aggressive behavior disposition is not exactly a ”black thing”, but by logic, the darker the skin, the short-term aggressive behavior seems likely to be MORE common, different than PREVALENT.

      Maybe we can to say, in a natural world that will be the trends that darker skin correlate strongly with impulsive aggressive behavior.

      Modern western is just the reversion of civilized inculcated man into a natural man where r-selection have by mathematically logical reason greater advantage because archaic impulse to have kids before build a good environment for them (K-selection). In other words, cultivating future dependent slaves.

      WN accuses blacks to be on average more aggressive and they are right about it, just a blind und ignorant to deny it, specially in Americas or western hemisphere. But, they are predominantly wrong when they say that ”black physical phenotype”, despising muscle development potential, is the cause for more impulsive aggressive behavior.

      WN who are zealous about their masculinity, should think about it.

      • Santoculto

        PEGAH is right when he said about women ”liberation”. Most of women look to be instinctively irrational (but not in emotional responses).

        Civilization is basically the suppression of instinct and select those who are better to supress their instinctive responses.

      • “despising muscle development potential”
        this is the reason why I don’t like a lot of them.

        EPAGH I like and perhaps same because they have some form of intelligence compared to others who take a lot of there time to “discredit” blacks.

        One that I’m tired of id the “wheel” argument. The only people on earth who didn’t have the wheel through diffusion were ancient Mexicans and it was used for TOYS.

        I just read an old Stormfront forum (a short one) discrediting GWC.

        Granted the Peanut Butter myth was worth mentioning, but they were ignorant of his research, what he actually did, and only talked about “research that is common knowledge” or stuff like “awards”.

        Those comments weren’t just insulting to his work, but insulting to EVERY NON-FAMOUS OR NON-NOBEL PRIZE WINNING INTELLECTUALS.

        He helped poor cotton workers and developed many uses from farm materials. He was man born a slave who used his potential to help society.
        I have a friend, and I think he knows who I’m talking about, who is very creative and intelligent and is using his skills for new designs but he’s down on his luck. He’ll pay off someday but he has already contributed to society and if his story was told he deserves recognition.

        It’s like reading the words of high school drop out arguing that political figures are only important if their faces are on cash.

        • This is a description of what many do, rather than relating to your discussion, so ignore it if it seems pedantic.

          It’s just that I see so much deep thought and reason from whites, and it’s stuff like that makes me feel embarrassed for their voice in oppression when they have people like them amongst the movement.

        • Santoculto

          Yes because half of meritocracy system is not even slightly meritocratic but socially via income unequal intergenerational transmission. And because most of jobs are not for creative people but for people with bureaucratic skills, read = tolerance,😉 In other words, few jobs will be for creative/problem solvers, increasing the competition for this jobs. The jobs for problem-avoiders is practically nonexistent. And a lot non-pure merit will pollute perfection of meritocratic system, education for example. Education give privilege for people who have similar cognitive profile of teachers, conformists and cognitively smart, Smart enough to improve ”system”, not enough to understand it deeply and critically.

          The conservatoid argument that capitalistic societies are near to be meritocratically perfect is pure product of mental laziness.

          But it still don’t prove that ”whites are taking jobs from blacks or other”, because this injustice is universal among all groups, less with CERTAIN groups, but still universal. The better is likely that will not be selected to occupy certain job, because many times the better will fight against imperfection, or what they define as imperfect. And system need imperfection to exist. Severe unequality is one of this product of induced imperfection.

        • Well that explains my friend’s troubles, and sadly, unless something economic changes, Innovation is going to be harder to pass.

          From reading about Edison, Einstein, Ford, and GWC they all were during a time of economic shifts.

          I remember reading a book that, while mind is one thing, timing is very important because certain events in history leaves the advantage to make a success of off.

          So I guess timing is my friends key.

        • Mimi

          I do not usually comment or partake in discussions online. Purely by accident I landed here on your discussion. As i was reading along, i was paused to remember my great grandmother’s words. The only difference between black and white folks is the skincolor. This is no clever or quippy phrase… But given the time period and our location, rather forward thinking on my great grandmother’s part. We were by no means wealthy but my family were not hungry and worked and hunted enough to eat well enough and enjoyed a good life. Nearly 40 years ago, I was not raised to hate… nor to think myself above anyone. I look back and can truthfully say I had a perfect childhood, filled with love, wonder and adventure-oh and work hard work! These things have served me well-especially the last one! Anyway, I am am artist and paint what I encounter that is beautiful that I see or feel. I noticed as I read that everyone in your worlds are strictly in this group or that group. This or that. I do not write to offend or even disagree- I accept the world as I find it. I would only like to say that in my world view all people are just people…. The only real division that is important to me is good or bad. We are all just people, where we differ is what interests me. I guess if I had to state my purpose, i would say I’m here to make beauty where it doesn’t exist and where it does exist-bask in its glow and paint it so that someone else might! I was taught many good life lessons in the work that we did… Planting and maintaining garden and the hard work and care you put into it, you get back many times over when harvesting. Hunting with my grandfather i learned much…. he stressed importance of taking only what you need and we are stewards of the land… take care so that my grandkids might enjoy the moments i had. I could go on, but if u are thinking on what kind of people value land and live in harmony with it, i would offer the answer those who were shown its many fruits and beauty and taught to love it. Anyway, I don’t know who or where u are…. Maybe you might read this and smile-possibly just point and laugh… worst scenario I will land in some category and be dismissed altogether.🙂.
          If I do, do let me know which one!

  17. Santoculto

    Yes, i think there are a lot of talented people, but the system just give visibility for those who are ”in the timing” of the moment, today for example, technology.

    A key word called ”convenience”.

    • Well, though you have a point, what I mean by “timing” is the general period in time where innovation is at it’s greatest oppurtunity, such as creations spawning while entering a Golden Age or Creations spawning from climbing out of Decadance.

      This could be applied to various fields for creative people, but true that nowadays technology would be the major focus of creativity nowadays.
      That’s actually were my friends specializes in.

  18. One of my latest finds in would be this research paper that again adds to the concept of Igbo practicing outbreeding since precolonial times.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/the-igbo-the-japanese-shame-justice-and-inbreeding/#comments

  19. Jason Y

    Blockquotes by santo-culto:

    ”To Santoculto, I looked up the Sierra Leone average and it turns out it was a biased sample size, the number was 91 and I knew that it was fake due to it being so distinct. I though miscegenation could explain it, but the ratios of Blacks to Eurasians was too low.

    Perhaps incest explains it as much of Africa is a closed society.

    I write ” I’m inbred”, lol, well, all of us is the product of incest😉 but the right word is ” mixed “.

    Sure we are, but rural closed societies have more of it. Anywhere on the globe where the IQis are below the northeast Asian or white average, probably incest is to blame. The climate and/or natural selection had little to do with it.

    hanks, my idea about intelligence is that this term is very variable, but wisdom is the otherwise, very homogenous, what is right, is right.

    i think black people (and others, amerindians for example) seems retain more ancient good sense (different than common sense) than many or even most of white people who are deeply in their civilization ilusions, like ”christianism” and ”communism”.

    More far right baloney. We all know the far right wants to portray any group coming out of a hot climate as being monkeys, sub-human etc..

    “The nobel savage?” Come on. That’s the first time I heard a far right person support the idea. Usually, the far right portrays the so called “lower races” as savages, using an evolved low IQ as being to blame.

    • Jason Y

      It’s not hard to see why third world nations have a large occurance of low IQ, given that few people have the money to travel. For instance, in medevil times, few Europeans traveled more than 30 miles from where they were born. Unless genetic variety was brought in from the outside,(by the owner of the estate), I don’t see how people had much to choose from, other than close relatives.

    • Jason Y

      Communism and Christanity? What’s wrong with those things? For instance, the Cuban government was the first Latin American government to really try to help the people. The right wing ones wouldn’t do jack.

      Christiainity? In it’s practiced, but not given lip service, it can do wonders to improve any place, even ones with low iQ.

      • Jason Y

        Sorry meant to say, “Christiainity? If it’s practiced, but not given lip service, it can do wonders to improve any place, even ones with low iQ.

      • Santoculto

        Christianism is a jewish idiocy lie as well communism, both working for globalism, the master ideology of ”weshtern elites”.

        What is the problem to deceive people and become a sanguinary dictator**

        What is the problem to force people by emotional blackmail to engage in subjective and potentially conflictuous morality via religion**

        I don’t know…

        ”the Cuban government was the first Latin American government”

        I think you forget other countries like Paraguay in XIX, Costa Rica…

        Just with this piece of your sentence i already can stipulate your knowledge in latin american history.

        If cuban government really wanted to help so why not helped **

        Castro clan are one of the richest families in Latin America, no Jay ( amazing to have to say it ), it’s not a real socialism.

        • Jason Y

          Iv’e not seen the Latin American right wing governments have done diddly squat to help anyone other than the rich, and Robert Lindsay can back me up on this idea, as he’s written a lot about it.

          Check out his article about Chile and Pinochet.

        • Jason Y

          A lot of your Stormfront types are from Latin America, and they REALLY hate communists. However, can’t they see though the governments there don’t help the poor? Or maybe these fascist fan boys want to work for the drug lords etc. as butlers or cleaning people? I guess if it pays the bills.🙄

          Wouldn’t though someone who sells out to ultra-rich to maintain a good lifestyle for himself or his family be a sell-out?

        • Jason Y

          One good take on the Latin American rich would be the drug dealer. Though he makes tons of money, he makes does nothing for the poor of the nation. However, he can always get anyone to sell out to his operation, either getting someone for security, or someone to do low level production and transport of the product.

          Nonetheless, you can be sure most of the people of the nation won’t get any of the vast wealth coming from the illegal enterprise.

          So how would the Jews play into this scenario? Considering right wing Latin American nations hate Jews, (cause they tend to be white nationalist sympathizers), then how come this “hatred of Jews” hasn’t lead to some paradise for all in Latin America? 🙄 It should, right?

          Aren’t Jews to blame for poverty everywhere?

    • Jason Y

      Robert did bring up that traditional African culture, and traditional culture in any other third world place, did do wonders in controlling crime etc.. However, that’s not a condemnaton of Christianity (which has been introduced lately, kind of post-traditional culture).

      Ultimately, the new Africa, among other “new third world places”, has been introduced to the modern way of doing things, which is seperate from Christianity. It has overwhelmed the places, and now people are running wild.

      Again as for the Christian fath. Just cause a place is Christian, doesn’t mean people practice a strict version of it. For it to have any effect on society, people would have to strictly follow it, especially rules regarding crime, rape, murder etc..

      • Jason Y

        Perhaps people don’t strictly follow Christianity because there is too much emphasis given on “forgiveness.”. A lot of people would only take a religion like Islam seriously, where people are treated like 5 year olds, and every transgression gets you a beating, mutlation, or death.

        Again perhaps a incest related low IQ in different areas makes religious discipline a hard thing to do. Therefore, religions like Islam are the only ones that can control the population.

        • Beheading is painless

          But only the extreme left wing can control Islam. A good example being in Central Asia.

          Once again while others flounder the extreme left wing has already shown the way.

        • Optimus Prime

          Farting??

        • Jason Y

          Someone could just as easily fart in response to white nationalsim’s cliche statements.🙄

          They have no real answers to critics of white nationalism. All they can do is fart, falsely making it seem that their opponents are stupid.

          Ok, let’s look at some real data from real scientists etc.., then let’s see if white nationalists are right, or if they aren’t.

          Ok, even Robert Lindsay, has come out massively against white nationalism, because he’s made countless articles attacking right wing regimes in Latin America, and also white nationalists.

          Someone brought out some study by HBD chick. Well, that would just be just one study out of many.

    • “Perhaps incest explains it as much of Africa is a closed society.”

      Actually, HBD chick actually did a study with mating of ssa and incest wasn’t widespread enough to explain the lower IQ.

      To Santoculto, I actually read that something that could describe what you call “ancient good sense” would be how blacks, though I speaking in terms of average, have a sense of spirituality in them that while in some cases could leave them to be “gullible or uncivilized” but can express a very raw sense of passion and energy.

      Rather than focusing on stuff like manipulating there environment like people give Eurasians credit for to advance, Blacks on average seem to focus more on community functioning and culture. They didn’t really struggled for food like how Eurasian did but like other homo sapiens they had language to they focused more of expressing aspects of emotion and interaction without restrictions.

      However, this leads to cases like violence and many archaic impulses to persist due to lack of direction that deeper thinking that introvert tendencies would give, however you then have people like the Igbo and Yoruba who had rather deep forms of Religion aside from their savage aspects.

      Have you heard of a guy named Wole Soyinka? He a Nobel Prize poet who adheres to Yoruba pantheon. His only flaws that I know of would be some arrogance, but only moderately, and he’s a bit Afrocentric (but he actually adheres to it in the sense of Africa giving it chance to tell history rather than to be like Gulliver) but at the same time he criticizes the government for what it does, discriminates the moderate Muslims he knows from Boko Haram, and he encourages that the people are the ones who decides Nigeria’s future. He has one much respect from Nigerians.

      I recommend you look him up, he seems interesting.

      • Jason Y

        Incest in the past in Africa (and other low IQ spots around the world) perhaps polluted the gene pool, and so now the struggle is to get out of that gene pool. However, it was incest that probably caused it, not natural selection.

        • Jason Y

          Note the hills of Appalachia were filled with incest at one time, and the stereotype, and this was before the “anti-white” movement, was that people from there were dumb. It’s not the case as much now, as the gene pool is more diversified, and travel and the internet open up the world.

      • Jason Y

        quote by Phil:

        Rather than focusing on stuff like manipulating there environment like people give Eurasians credit for to advance, Blacks on average seem to focus more on community functioning and culture. They didn’t really struggled for food like how Eurasian did but like other homo sapiens they had language to they focused more of expressing aspects of emotion and interaction without restrictions.

        I really believe a lot of this stuff is anthropological BS. I don’t think Africans are any different than Europeans, or any different than Asians.

        I also believe Africans and other non-white people, given a gradual turning away from a incest infected gene pool (which may be a relic of the past that hasn’t went away) and a better environment could even do as well as the Japanese.

      • Jason Y

        Actually, HBD chick actually did a study with mating of ssa and incest wasn’t widespread enough to explain the lower IQ.

        She did a study? Who is she? Is she an expert? What’s her degree in? Are there more studies to back up what she thinks?

        • https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/cousin-marriage-in-sub-saharan-africa/
          quote by Phil:

          “Rather than focusing on stuff like manipulating there environment like people give Eurasians credit for to advance, Blacks on average seem to focus more on community functioning and culture. They didn’t really struggled for food like how Eurasian did but like other homo sapiens they had language to they focused more of expressing aspects of emotion and interaction without restrictions.

          I really believe a lot of this stuff is anthropological BS. I don’t think Africans are any different than Europeans, or any different than Asians.

          I also believe Africans and other non-white people, given a gradual turning away from a incest infected gene pool (which may be a relic of the past that hasn’t went away) and a better environment could even do as well as the Japanese.”-Jay

          Lets just say this pathetic excuse of what you claim to be a valid hypothesis was true, its still a weak argument towards my statement.
          My statement is supported by the fact that Blacks score more moderately on Musical Intelligent quizzes (typically in the 80’s-90s but with rhythm it’s above 100 depending on age) and Verbal Quizzes while things like Spatial Intelligence, what you need to make tools de novo, they lack in on average.
          http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/01/black-musical-ability.html

          All you are attacking is the reason what the cause with your Incest Hypothesis rather than what is expressed ON AVERAGE based on Historical development and Data.

          Your theory could EXPLAIN why it occurs but doesn’t dispute my statement.

    • Santoculto

      Your capacity of text interpretation is not your strenght, Jay,
      i never said that i support noble savage ”theory”, come on baby.
      Stop use a mirror to reflect yourself.

      Generally less cognitively smart people tend to have better good sense than most of academic elites or liberal students as you Jay. They spend less time thinking in most of excessive abstract bullshit because they no have time to do it and no have neurons enough to to do it.

      White working classes political affiliations is a good example that can be extrapolated for other similar populations, despising intelligence levels difference.

      Less complexity generally tend to produce natural realism that produces conservatism. Higher intellectual complexity also may can produce realism.

      Less cognitively smart people look for familiar and explicit patterns based on logical pragmatism and tend to relatively influenced by culture. On other hand, people with above average intelligence and neurotypicals tend to be attracted for intellectual gym and many them, now, in the post modern weshtern context, become left-oriented in politics and some behavioral dimensions.

      Wisdom is the basis of intelligence, real factor g and they have little more disposition to engage in simple rationality (wisdom) than academic people, specially those in the humanities.

      What made ”socially poor” people more prone to disfunctional behavior can be observed among schizophrenics where those who ”lower iq” (cognition) will be more prone to have severe behavioral complications than those with ”higher iq”. Many ”socially poor” and presumably ”lower iq” people are very hard working, conscious and little wises than most of hbd crowd could imagine.

      • Jason Y

        Since, like my right wing friend of the family who has passed, many white nationalists won’t listen to my drivel, seeing it as dumb and something to fart about,🙄 why not attack the owner of the blog, but of course in a polite way ?

        He has made countless articles attacking white nationalists, attacking right wing Latin regimes, attacking India (which according to white nationalists, is a place where the lower caste deserve their fate), promoting black/white relations (to some extent), promoting feminism to some extent, promoting pro non-white causes to some extent.

        Robert Lindsay, while supporting pro-white causes to some extent, is no friend of white nationalism as preached by santo-culto and ep-gah.

        • Jason Y

          Not trying to drive a wedge on the blog between certain people, but there needs to be some comments on Robert’s posts (which are cynical about white nationalism), rather than just attacking Swank, or me, or some other left wing bozo.

      • Jason Y

        quote by stano-culto

        Generally less cognitively smart people tend to have better good sense than most of academic elites or liberal students as you Jay. They spend less time thinking in most of excessive abstract bullshit because they no have time to do it and no have neurons enough to to do it.

        Possibly they engage in deep though cause they’re bored. I mean, if you can play the guitar well, then why would you stop with some chord progressions, when you can expand to complicated classical pieces?

  20. Santoculto

    Phil,
    thank you, i will search for him, i’m a ”poet” too, just for pass the time,😉

    Yes, i see it too, perfectly well explained, what differentiate eurasians than non-materialistic peoples is exactly the cognitive specialization to manipulate the matter and create cities, aka, ”civilizations”.

    Schoppenhauer metaphor to explain social relations is spectacular, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog%27s_dilemma

    I think when you have strong personalities living together you will have problems.

    • That is actually a good model, but unlike relatively more introverted populations the one of ssa don’t move away as a precaution and clash more often thus leading to the issues occurring then and now. However, I feel that this may’ve caused to select not for introversion but rather for more in group cohesion and less sociability towards alien people until given a reason to trust. So it’s logical to believe that they may’ve selected for traits relating to culture emulation more densely than with other people.

      I want put emphasis on the part about they often don’t just assimilate to just any culture, for Blacks in the U.S score lower on average for comprehension, meaning that they would not assimilate to “white culture” do to it not being there’s. This is another trend I see in history that even when they do adopt a new culture they don’t completely change, like in the Kongo or in the Mali Empire based on Ibn Battuta’s records. In those cases, they changed culture due to advantages to society rather than simply giving up old ways. Some did have better senses of what to adopt and what to keep though.

      While introvert traits may not be as common in ssa populations to efficient produce authentically wise people in a large scale, I’ve read of how even blacks in precolonial Africa despite being called “dumb” and lazy were noted to have an ability to be disciplined and hardworking if giving proper administration. Once they were, they were described as passionate and fluent in speech despite their relative lacking in ingenuity.

      Also, when reading about chiefs and individuals of distinction they were mostly specialized in culture by either learning literature or religion as their field of study.

      There is even a saying in the Black South that the most successful were “preachers and teachers” from what my father told me.

      So from at least the appearance of the trends this making sense.

      • Jason Y

        There is even a saying in the Black South that the most successful were “preachers and teachers” from what my father told me.

        Such verbal genius is NOT the result of low IQ, and neither is the superior drumming skill. Well, your all saying IQ is about solving problems. But why does that matter? Why couldn’t people with high verbal or musical knowledge create a highly functioning civilization?

        • First of all, you need to understand the Verbal intelligence in Blacks is basically relatively well, not extraordinarily distinct. I mean it is useful and evident but you’re overselling it. There are a lot of other thing to build a civilization rather than just “words and music”.

          BTW, Superior drumming? While the study I sent you suggests that Blacks do have a relative strength of Rhythm, stuff like Jazz actually has a European foundation by combining different folk styles. When it came to America Blacks were trained with European instruments with some tinkering here and there to adapt it to their music traditions in a more advance format but still having European influence. Blues would be a more “African” modernization compared to Jazz.

          How those “intelligences” work is not how “superior” they are but how CENTERED. Meaning that those population like have a higher percentage of people who invest in those type of skills rather than being superior.

          No one (sensible) would dispute European music being more developed, however it is more likely for them to thinking that at least certain Black populations focus more on music than others.

          Also PROBLEM SOLVING would be like “hey, if I dig a series of ditches that’ll lead to my crops, that can farming more efficient.”

          While someone with more cultural focus would be better at expressing what they now at a cultural value. I mean problem solivnng wasn’t COMPLETELY absent from Africa, but de novo methods of such were less on average.

    • Beheading is painless

      The unicorn’s dilemma is how it is referred to in lesbian Zulu land.

      A group of unicorn riding Zulu Lesbian’s love to meet anually at rainbow ranch. But their proximity to each often leads to pain due the horns of the unicorns etc as the riders huddle together discussing the latest femenist happenings. But soon they tire of this by dispersing, and so the cycle of closeness and separate longings continues ad infinitum.

    • Hey Santoculto, have you scene pictures of African Scarification? Basically it’s tattoo-like body art using scars that I’ve only seen SSA people do natively.

      http://www.randafricanart.com/Scarification_and_Cicatrisation_among_African_cultures.html

      On one hand it seems very primitive and gory in the process, but I would be lying if I said that, from an aesthetic point of view many of the symbols and designs they produces along with different type of scars they’ve wasn’t fascinating, at least in an extreme exotic way.

      How they managed to do this in a way makes me wonder what was going through their heads.

      • Santoculto

        Scary and look painful but beautiful, very symmetrical!!

        Much better than pseudo-art today.

        Sometimes i think older humans were much more smarter (in many dimensions) than us, it could help us to understand colossal achievements like Egypt pyramid!!

        Perfect, enormous and still very resistent. (or aliens,😉 )

        Today ”we” build graceless building while 500 years before people made beautiful and resistance (today) architectural constructions like Sistine Chapel.

        I think (seems) some fake informations had been spread about reminiscent hunter gatherers like ”aboriginals don’t knew the causal relation between sex and pregnancy”. Europeans just don’t knew the language of this people. Seems impossible to be true.

        • The reason why Architecture back then seemed more grand was because many of the major ones we refer to today were often religiously connected to something, so in a way it was a form of art.

          Buildings today are more often done for function rather than aesthetic.

          Have you seen pictures of Zulu Royal Kraals? The Celts and Native Americans did better in terms of function with wooden structures, but the way the beehive huts look along with the wooden fences, an aspect of South Bantu architecture that I love, it gives of a stronger “artistic” feel to me. I think it’s the way the Beehive huts are woven unlike other huts, though even with other huts I like the way the roofs look when they have great diameter and they remind me as of they were huge fans.

          In regards to Aboriginals and child birth, that may be just a rumor. Also, I looked it up, Australians actually do scarification too but I haven’t seen them do it as overboard or elaborate as Blacks. I’ve also read pygmies doing it too, so it must be an old hunter gatherer thing and probably doesn’t include those like Eurasians.

          I think that the wave of people to make Eurasians may’ve had it but it became a lose tradition. So far I’ve seen Sub Saharan do it better, though people like the Maori and I think a few Native Americans doing some nice looking tattoos.

          Body art is a very exotic and spiritual practice, so it makes sense that it would be a skill that Africans would be good at.





          That also doesn’t exclude hair styles as well.

          Granted, while looking these up, I’ve seen very elegant and somewhat abstract hairstyles from the Japanese and Flavian age Romans but admittedly not as bizarre as these accept for some beehive/bun hairstyles.



        • I’ve tried twice now to give you a few more examples of some rather obscure looking hairstyles but for some reason it failed.

          Basically the work of this guy would be examples of some work.
          http://gossip-moms.com/omg-my-hair/16-stunning-photos-of-natural-nigerian-hairstyles-from-the-1960s-and-70s/
          and this

        • Though I think she wins

        • Santoculto

          Fashion is a interesting source to understand human culture and history, thanks for sharing this profusion of very interesting hairstyle throughout the world. I’m ”working” with the idea that creativity also have many dimensions as happen with intelligence. In other words, we can have many types of creative skills disposition, material-utilitarian to cultural, self-expression. Gardner think in ”multiple” intelligences, i think in ”multiple” creativity types.

          Seems is common among blacks what i called ”bohemian creative personality type”, generally common among musicians, people on arts and other cultural jobs.

        • Yes, I think there is a type of creativity amongst Blacks, though may not be exclusive to Blacks, that basically the have towards cultural aspects of the natural world.

          On one hand Australian Aboriginals are said to be stupid, but when I see their art they actually have utilized a creative representation of the Human body via art translation.

          I’ve looked up possible foreign influence on hair amongst the Yoruba, but from I’ve seen from North Africans the only ones with borderline similar hairstlyes were at least Brown, leaning towards the Idea that it was possibly acculturation from Blacks or utilized a mindset that was more common amongst Blacks.

          When not centric towards their own culture, Blacks creativity seem to be on the realms of Obscure sense of understanding that more “civilized” people usually don’t tread, however a consequence of this is often backwardness and savagery.

          While they may not possess completely ingenuity from their very foundation what they can do on a foundation and cultural knowledge (on a population level) in rather interesting.

          When Robert commented on Blacks and socialism, I think he was more on to something then he may’ve thought. I’m lead to believe that for quite a collection of these population they they’ve developed to be more efficient on a group level thus evolving to be “best fit” to group thinking as one huge brain in a sense. What make blacks unique is that I don’t think there was a group anywhere that reach there level of development while still clinging to the mentality at such a strong state.

          But now that I think about it I think some ingenuity may’ve came from women. In America they have more high IQ’s and in Africa they were forced to do more work relative to men, so that may’ve selected them to have better independency skills relative to men that may be linked to IQ.

        • Santoculto

          Yes, i agree partially with you because i think the ”herd mindset” is universal even among populations with dominant/strong personalities, is extremely complementary to sustain social networks and their macro-systems.

          Aboriginal art impress me too, i like every non-sacrificial human cultural manifestation, is a strong way to say ”i’m human, i’m living”. And still very good at aesthetic value.

        • Santoculto? I came back here in response to your “they didn’t know their language” thing.

          Now, somewhat motivated by the recent articles regarding Aboriginals and child treatment, this makes me think about some things on the literature on primitive people as well as a dealing with perspectives.

          One, while the recent article is likely true, I had a similar experience in terms of reading of Black Africans in Negroes in Negroland…..however I then had a different experience with reading the Black section of John Baker’s “Race” as well as this on SSA Natives
          http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/04/negro-entry-in-1911-encyclopedia.html

          While both the recent article and the Negroes in Negroland would indeed have accurate occurrences in regards to the populations, this link that I have here does the same though it’s not quite as scarring in reading.

          This isn’t necessarily due to whitewashing as much as being more comprehensive with a population’s attributes.

          The mistake many make is to use things like Negroes in Negroland as a complete representative reality rather than an aspect.

          When reading it I was doubtful of what occurred, but some parts were deeply routed in a European mindset in some respects. In opposition, John Baker’s race section on Black Africans keep in mind in certain parts that in order to be objective must not be biased in such a way.

          It’s not to say that these bias have no reason to be there, why they are there makes sense, but they still play a roll in obstructing objectivity.

          As well as a comprehensive view for certain Australoids, Aborginals are only one type of the race which technically extends all the way to the Ainu.
          Plus, even when focusing on just Aboriginals there child rearing behavior wasn’t everything about them.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_culture

          Still, I by no means saying that Pathology should go unnoticed or without criticism. It just that the treatment of how to apply it to a population is sometimes skewed by people.

  21. Santoculto

    Black music seems to be generally quick, spontaneously fluid while european/white music tend to be more elaborate, ”lazy”. Put Jazz in low motion, what you will have** A foxtrot ballade**

    On average i don’t see enormous difference between talkative capacity between blacks and whites. But seems to be clear in vocabulary, what people determine essentially as ”verbal intelligence”.

    I remember to see in a brazilian tv show, a mulatto woman who live in ”favelas” talking about their new job, a restaurant. She impressed me because she use uncommon and presumably difficult words during your interview. But i no have doubt that she will have a relatively lower vocabulary/verbal intelligence. Many if not most of humans that scores two digits in iq tests are not really bad in the ability to talk. They on average is likely to commit vocabulary/mistakes at least 40% while this percentage will decrease with people who scores three digits in verbal cognition.

    Capacity to learn how to talk human languages, specially those who were familiarized since first childhood, seems to be earlier than memorise/internalize words AND to be aware about the correct way to write it, in evolution timeline.

    • Also, a variation of Jazz that was done by illiterate musicians were seen by both trained white and Blacks as “degenerated”, however I imagine of one had a taste for African Traditional music it would sound great.

      In regards to your sense of language, I’m not sure how to describe Verbal intelligence for Blacks but Richard Lynn did record them scoring a few points higher however when you control for “g”.

      Basically I think this correlates with the type of Oral Society many Black societies were due to not being able to write, though I imagine they would be restricted due to not adapting to writing.

    • Santoculto, I’ve accidentally sent you too many post that were repeats, they didn’t show up originally so I’ve tried again. Just ignore a few, sorry.

      • Santoculto

        Ok, no problems!

        • This one comes from the Igbo, a group that is very diverse in it’s cultural traits and development. In other words, it wouldn’t be unsual for one traiditional Igbo town to change traiditions decade after decade despite the reputation Africans get for being stagnant. So far from what I’ve seen they produced among the more chaotic art in their region.

        • You know, when I was searching for pictures, I noticed that only a few were like the Igbo and were obscure, at least in sculpture with wood.

          Other were actually quite sophisticated in the geometry of the would so I began to realized, from a significant art of Africa, some are chaotic while other possess a type of centralized elegance (Yoruba) probably reflecting the different type of the societies characteristics.

          Some have a bright vivid sense to them (kuba art), other are more mild an gives a subtle sense of awe (mande/Igbo), though others just have an abstract sense to them that can be striking (Congolese nail art and Igbo forms).
          http://www.randafricanart.com/Kongo_Nail_Fetishes_Chiloango_River_Area.html

          I particularly like the ones towards the bottom of the page.

        • Santoculto

          Savant-like skills are a universal trait.

        • Oh I know,=. I wasn’t really talking about skill but more along the lines of how they style reflects diversity between Black groups in Africa, just an observation I made when looking through.

      • Santoculto, are you okay?

        Typically you would debate again with Jay but you’ve been quiet.

  22. To Santoculto, for now I’ll be taking a break concerning Black cultures for now, however if you want to learn about two that I think would be nice to learn about look up missionary descriptions of Khama and Moshoeshoe.

    The second one in particular was famous for his philosophy that he learned from his teacher that “A chief is a Chief by the will of his people.”

    • Jason Y

      I hate it when white nationalists try to act like there a friend of non-whites.🙄 It’s so phony, because moments later they start calling them “monkeys” and every other name in the book, If not out loud, at least subliminally.

      I guess they’re trying to seem like “not so bad” people. That will fool some.

      • I couldn’t help but to view your last two comments and ponder “what relevance does this makes?”

        If you’re referring to Santoculto, his views clearly shows that he isn’t the typical and stated that while he agrees with their claims on certain issues he described some or even many dumb (Santoculto, if I ascribed a false claim to you, I’m sorry). His view of capitalism is certainly different, his view on Blacks is more honest, and his views on intelligence is actually quite different than that of HBD which WN’s view as gospel to their superiority.

        Anyways, in regards to your comments on incest let me ask you something…..how do you explain the case of African Americans?

        When you compare the Children of upperclass Blacks and Compare them to Children of Lowerclass whites they score equal to or less then them due to Regression to the mean according to Jensen.

        Are you suggesting that BLACK UPPER CLASS fuck their cousins?

        But you know what…….show me a fucking data table. You can’t call this a racist tactic or whatever, I gave you a study and you gave zilch. You may reference the effect incest has on population IQ, but show me one that shows it happening in Black populations with low IQ. Without one you’re making an empty claim.

        • Jason Y

          It’s still racist crap with santo-culto, no offense. It’s like a slightly milder version of jalapeno sauce.

        • Jason Y

          When you compare the Children of upperclass Blacks and Compare them to Children of Lowerclass whites they score equal to or less then them due to Regression to the mean according to Jensen.

          IQ is more than just genetic, it’s also environmental. It’s kind of like that stupid remark I heard from FadingLight on Stormfront, who claimed IQ was 80 oercent genetic.

          The same thing would go with African Americans and thier IQ problem. Also, how do we know some incest wasn’t going in among African Americans back in times past? You know just like incest was going on in West Virginia or in some typical Mexican village.

        • Jason Y

          I’m sure HBD chick did a good study. The guys making the “Bell Curve” book did a good study also. However, it’s good to seek a 2nd, 3rd, or even 10th opinion on the matter, kind of like when you see a doctor.

          Nothing can be taken at face value, commenters like Swank etc.. in times past on this blog were making an effort do debunk claims by WNs.

        • Jason Y

          his view on Blacks is more honest, and his views on intelligence is actually quite different than that of HBD which WN’s view as gospel to their superiority.

          Ha. So what?😆 It’s such a wimpy alternative to WN. It isn’t really any different than the WN gospel. A WN wouldn’t fear santo-culto, cause his views doesn’t pose a threat to the WN gospel, but rather supports it.

        • Jason Y

          The stuff going into making an IQ are highly complex. The slightly alternative WN view of santo-culto,or the hardcore WN version doesn’t give a true picture of IQ.

          You got nutrition going in there, You got massive environmental factors playing a role. I mean, can you really say someone raised in a dumpster is going to do as well as some prissy guy going to a prep school?🙄 You also genetic factors like incest which WNs underestimate.

          No, Iv’e not seen that santo-culto is offering a “kinder gentler WN”, not in the least bit.

        • “The same thing would go with African Americans and thier IQ problem. Also, how do we know some incest wasn’t going in among African Americans back in times past? You know just like incest was going on in West Virginia or in some typical Mexican village.”

          Okay……then that goes towards one of my other arguments on other threads, on how INCEST CAN AFFECT IQ, but it WON’T SKYROCKET WITHOUT SELECTION!.

          You have stated that it could’ve been in the past…okay they aren’t fucking their own family anymore and that doesn’t derail from the point that now currently they IQ’s are lower and need to select!

        • “You got nutrition going in there, You got massive environmental factors playing a role. I mean, can you really say someone raised in a dumpster is going to do as well as some prissy guy going to a prep school?🙄 You also genetic factors like incest which WNs underestimate.

          No, Iv’e not seen that santo-culto is offering a “kinder gentler WN”, not in the least bit.”

          He does agree with environmental factors like nutrition, but he thinks it won’t fill the gap.

        • Jason Y

          Quote by Phil

          Okay……then that goes towards one of my other arguments on other threads, on how INCEST CAN AFFECT IQ, but it WON’T SKYROCKET WITHOUT SELECTION!.

          An incest ridden gene pool has little to select from. 🙄 There isn’t enough smart people for the population to “dig themselves out of incest.”

          Perhaps though, with more exposure to non-incest gene pools. the gene pool can be cleansed.

        • Except en masse race mixing ( I’m assuming you are suggesting that’s where the genes will come from) will solve it but Ben S. in another thread explains why that’s undue itself.

          Also, if you claim that such a gene pool is now tainted, you’re saying THAT won’t fit WN Gospel.

          Oh sure, saying climate and historical pressure in environment and lifestyle is racist and unscientific but saying it’s because they fuck there own cousins and are now stuck that way and NEED to mix with us to be smarter, now that logical and dignifying.

          Maybe you should’ve bought Watson’s Nobel Prize.

  23. Jason Y

    The white nationalist obsession with power is similar to the “get rich scheme” person’s obsession with becoming a millionare. In other words, everything is about power and domination, period, nothing else.

    Doesn’t that seem shallow, or perhaps a flawed philosophy?

    • You know what else is a flawed philosophy?

      Adhering to ad hominem tactics and denouncing anything against your ideas as racist according to your thoughts as opposed to objective reasoning. Then you claim others to be racists or associate them with racism by stating claim with coherent reasoning and actually displaying civility towards non-whites.

      “I hate it when white nationalists try to act like there a friend of non-whites.🙄 It’s so phony, because moments later they start calling them “monkeys” and every other name in the book, If not out loud, at least subliminally.

      I guess they’re trying to seem like “not so bad” people. That will fool some.”

      Seriously I could rearrange this and make it look like a racist’s

      I hate it when niggers try to act like there a friend of whites.🙄 It’s so phony, because moments later they start defending their own kind by blaming us when they burn down their own community, at least when the Jews get it on TV.

      I guess they’re trying to seem like “regular” people. That will fool some.

      Doesn’t that seem…..I don’t know…shallow

      • Jason Y

        I hate it when niggers try to act like there a friend of whites.🙄 It’s so phony, because moments later they start defending their own kind by blaming us when they burn down their own community, at least when the Jews get it on TV.

        😆 That’s funny cause they all do that. All your ethnic groups do that.

        Or it could be that certain people like some of another ethnic group, but not the ethnic group in general.

      • Jason Y

        I guess I was just commenting on how vulgar and crude WNs come across. So one minute, the more progressive ones (santo-culto) makes friends with a brother (African), and then later, just like other WNs, he massively bashes non-whites, portraying them as sub-human.

        Of course, santo-culto is at least engaging with non-whites.

        • Except he stated clearly in other comment that he categorizes physical race from mental race. So when he’s basing not whites, who do you think he’s talking about?

          Even then, he also stated about how higher IQ population loses what he calls “good sense” that he says Blacks have.

          Lets even compare EPAGH, HE believes in good blacks and told me about old thugs who turned new leaves at construction.

          I know what you mean with many white nationalist being stupid and rather repelling, but many don’t ask for much concerning the situation of immigration and black crimes rates.

        • Jason Y

          quote by phil

          Except he stated clearly in other comment that he categorizes physical race from mental race. So when he’s basing not whites, who do you think he’s talking about?

          Even then, he also stated about how higher IQ population loses what he calls “good sense” that he says Blacks have.

          Lets even compare EPAGH, HE believes in good blacks and told me about old thugs who turned new leaves at construction.

          I know what you mean with many white nationalist being stupid and rather repelling, but many don’t ask for much concerning the situation of immigration and black crimes rates.

          I don’t think being high IQ always translates into being a dreamy liberal, rather than a “construction worker” type.

          Perhaps an abandoment of traditional values, particuarly Christianity, you know like we saw in the US 1950s, has negatively affected all IQ ranges.

          Also, a lot of low IQ people have also bought into the liberal mantra.

          Let’s look at Koreans. They have a high IQ, but they’re very conservative, in fact too much so.

  24. Jason Y

    quote by ep-gah

    Oh, I had thought you’d name Mugabe, who despite massacring half Rhodesia’s population — INCLUDING BLACKS OF THE “WRONG” TRIBE — claimed to have raised Rhodesia’s literacy rate to over 90%.
    Thing is, he won’t allow outside auditors to check if that’s true. As Castro “proved” (and illegals from Cuba later disproved), if the dictator says so, your country can have a “100% Literacy Rate”™ — It will just be debunked later, and make you look like a bigger fool when the truth comes out!

    RobertLindsay would disagree with you in regards to Cuba, as his posts would indicate.

    So did Cuba really raise the literacy rate or not? My guess he did. Well, for one thing we’re just talking about literacy, even ghetto blacks can be taught to read.

    So again ep-gah, santo-culto and the like are shown to be fools, as they’re not being truthful.

    As far as Rhodesia goes, that place is pretty bad, ep-gah etc.. might be right about that one. Maybe he was lying about literacy, as he was a terrible leader, despite his putting on the “socialist” name.

    • Jason Y

      Yeah, one response I heard on RevLeft.com about Mugabe was that he was a terrible leader who put on the “socialist” label. His crappy reigme doesn’t invaldiate socialism or left wing causes.

      However, WNs love to show Mugabe as a poster-boy for the “superiority of WN thinking” and the “failure of socialism/communism”

  25. Jason Y

    Santo-culto means well. But then again a lot of supporters of slavery and segregation back in the day, wern’t really “bad people” so to speak. However, thier thinking was wrong, and thier “compassionate white nationalism” didn’t change the status quo.🙄 So what good was it?

    Also, despite RobertLindsay’s liking of santo-culto, they don’t really agree on topics related to race realism. They do somewhat, but not really. Santo-culto’s views only lead to the same result that Ep-gah’s do, which is harsh white supremacy and capitalism.

    • Except Santoculto disagrees with Capitalism.

      • Jason Y

        But come on😆 WN works so well with capitalism. It’s like hamburgers going with French Fries.

        • “But come on😆 Jews works so well with communism. It’s like niggers going with Fried Chicken.”

          Still doesn’t change the fact that he disagrees with Capitalism.

          It’s funny how both sentences above proves a point that, despite you continuous ranting on WN’s, you have more in common with racist than SC.

          First it would be how you dialogue is contructed based on my revision, seconf on how you falsely attribute a trait to SC in disregards to him as an individual do to the actions of a group.

          Also, I want to point out how you are sort of a half assed egalitarian of how embarrassingly PC your comments regarding intelligence have been before you learned about incest.

          “Jay means well. But then again a lot of supporters of absolute racial equality and segregation back in the day, arn’t really “bad people” so to speak. However, thier thinking is wrong, and thier “anti-pc egalitarianism” didn’t change the status quo.🙄 So what good was it?

          Also, despite RobertLindsay’s liking of Jay, they don’t really agree on topics related to race realism. They do somewhat, but not really. Jay’s views only lead to the same result that swank’s do, which is harsh anti-white supremacy and authoritarian communism.”

        • my second revision of your quote should have integration.

  26. Jason Y

    I wish I had a low IQ😆 I don’t really understand a low IQ, cause I don’t have one. Not to sound arrogant.

    • Jason Y

      Conversations with the low IQ can be boring. I do know that. Nonetheless, on the other hand, a reading of a Caclulus book reads like stereo instructions.😆

  27. Jason Y

    quote by Phil

    Except en masse race mixing ( I’m assuming you are suggesting that’s where the genes will come from) will solve it but Ben S. in another thread explains why that’s undue itself.

    Also, if you claim that such a gene pool is now tainted, you’re saying THAT won’t fit WN Gospel.

    Oh sure, saying climate and historical pressure in environment and lifestyle is racist and unscientific but saying it’s because they fuck there own cousins and are now stuck that way and NEED to mix with us to be smarter, now that logical and dignifying.

    Maybe you should’ve bought Watson’s Nobel Prize.

    Yes, and is the Watson thing a joke?😆

    Oh why would en-masse race mixing hurt anything, assuming there were some pure whites, blacks, etc.. left? Anyhow, there already is mostly a pure gene pool all over the world. Africa is full of Africans, Asia full of Asians etc… What’s there to worry?

    • Jason Y

      Oh wait, Never mind. Back track. I see the error in what I’m saying.

      Well, perhaps some race mixing would help out low IQ populations. Just enough to increase the amount of higher IQ mating partners. Too much race mixing though, would destroy the unique look of different races.

      • Jason Y

        One white in the mix of thousands of non-white genes wouldn’t change the look of a low IQ race, but might raise the IQ.

        • My point is that en masse race mxing will undo itself due to the race not being equal in advantageous genes, though in regards with on mixing with thousands could work but not to the extent in which it will close gaps.

        • EPGAH

          Look up “Regression To The Mean”, the offspring won’t have the average of the parents, but rather the average between the parents…and the average for the race!

    • Jason Y

      Note, again, I don’t believe natural selection, as far as climate goes, created the IQ of different races. However, race mixing might be the only way to climb out of the damage.

  28. It appear the SJW troll went back under the bridge with his wart infested tail between his scrawny pale legs. I say we celebrate the traditional way!

    http://www.naijapipu.com/Textarbeit/Coded/Images/osei.jpe

    Osei Tutu approves

    I shall now indulge myself with Yams and gold but I’ll skip the yams

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