Bermudian Blacks Close the Black-White IQ Gap

Recent impressive scores on testing that can be seen as either an achievement test or an IQ test by Blacks in Bermuda has brightened the picture for those opposed to hard hereditarianism. In 2003, Bermudian Blacks matched Bermudian Whites at the equivalent of 100 IQ on the test. Bermudan IQ was 91.5 in 1978 and 1980, so the 2003 score represents a complete closure of the Black-White IQ gap in Bermuda along with a Flynn gain of at least 8.5 points. This is very impressive.

However, the question is raised whether Bermudian Blacks are very Black. I am only aware of two genetic tests done on Bermudians. One tested Bermudian “Indians.”  It turns out that “Indian” is a nonsensical category in Bermuda as the “Indians” are only 1% Indian. The “Indians” are 50% Black, 49% White and 1% Indian. This is nearly identical to Bermudian “Blacks.”

The other tested Bermudians who identified as “mixed.” Mixed is a new category. Previously all of the people now identifying as “mixed” were called “Blacks.” Prior to that, all those now called “Blacks” were called “colored” due to their extremely mixed race heritage. As we shall see below, “mixed” is a completely arbitrary category and the “mixed” group are simply part of the “Black” group who have arbitrarily identified themselves as “mixed” for no reason other than identity. All evidence shows that the “mixed” group and the “Black” group are one and the same. For that matter, the “Indians” are the same as the “mixed” and the “Black.”

A recent study showed that Bermudian “mixed” people were 51% Black, 45% White and 4% Indian. Compare this to the “Indian” group at 50% Black, 49% White and 1% Indian. As you can see, the “Indian” group and the “mixed” group are essentially the same, except that the “Indians” are even Whiter than the “mixed” group!

If Bermudian Blacks really are mixed race people with ~50-50 White -Black ancestry, the 91.5  score on the IQ test in 1980 is to be expected and is in line with hard HBD theory which suggests that such a group would score ~92 on an IQ test based on their ancestry.

However, the excellent news is that the recent testing seems to drive a stake into the heart of Hard HBD theory which states that due to their 50% Black genes, Bermudian Blacks would never be able to score about 92 IQ average and would never close the 8 point gap between Blacks and Whites in Bermuda.

The great news is that a half-Black population completely closed the B-W IQ gap, which is highly unexpected and completely contradicts hard HBD theory which says this is impossible. All in all, this is good news for the Nurture side of the debate and also for soft HBD, which seems more sensible than hard HBD as soft HBD gives a lot more room for environment to drive IQ.

US Blacks have a 15 point gap to close between Blacks and Whites. That is quite a bit more than the 8 points that separated Bermudian Blacks and Whites. However, if Bermudians could close the gap by 8 points, perhaps it is not beyond the capability of US Blacks to close the gap by a similar amount. US Blacks would certainly function a lot better at 93 IQ than at 85 IQ.

Bottom line is the news out of Bermuda is very hopeful for Black people.

Below I will prove that Bermudian Blacks are 50-50 White-Black.

All the blocked text below is from Wikipedia. My comments follow.

Deeper ancestral demographics of Bermuda’s population have been obscured by the ethnic homogenisation of the last four centuries. There is effectively no ethnic distinction between black and white Bermudians, other than those characterising recent immigrant communities.

Black and White Bermudians are basically the same people except for a label.

Despite the banning of the importation of Irish, and the repeated attempts to force free blacks to emigrate and the owners of black slaves to export them, the merging of the various minority groups, along with some of the white English, had resulted in a new demographic group, “coloured” (which term, in Bermuda, referred to anyone not wholly of European ancestry) Bermudians, gaining a slight majority…

Colored a majority by the 1800’s.

Any child born before or since then to one coloured and one white parent has been added to the coloured statistic. Most of those historically described as “coloured” are today described as “black”, or “of African heritage”, which obscures their non-African heritage

Nearly all Bermudians described today as “Black,” were historically called “colored.” These were Black-White mixed people who arbitrarily changed their ethnonym from colored to Black only recently.

The ancestry of Bermuda’s black population is distinguished from that of the British West Indian black population in two ways: firstly, the higher degree of European and Native American admixture; secondly, the source of the African ancestry.

Bermudian Blacks are different from all other Caribbean Blacks in that they have much more White ancestry.

The racial makeup of Bermuda as recorded by the 2010 census, was 54% black, 31% white, 8% multiracial, 4% Asian, and 4% other races, although these numbers are based on self-identification, and the majority of those who answered “black” have any mixture of black, white and indigenous American ancestry…

The term “Black” has no meaning in Bermuda. A “Black” person may be any mixture of Black, White and Amerindian.

During the course of the 18th century, Bermuda’s population was boiled down to two demographic groups: White and Coloured.

As early as the 1700’s, there was no such thing as a “Black” in Jamaica. There were only two groups – White and “colored.” Colored meant mixed race.

This included the multi-racial descendants of the previous minority demographic groups (Black, Irish and Native American)…

In the 1700’s, there were no “Blacks.” The “colored” population were described as multiracial Black – Irish – Amerindian mixes.

It was largely by this method (mixed-race Bermudians being added to the number of Blacks, rather than added to the number of Whites or being defined as a separate demographic group) that Coloured (subsequently redefined in the twentieth century as Black) Bermudians came to outnumber White Bermudians by the end of the 19th century.

Black Bermudians only appeared in the 20th Century. They were the same people as used to be called “colored” except they changed their name from “colored” to “Black” in the 20th Century.

In the twentieth century, those with any degree of sub-Saharan African ancestry (which was virtually everyone who had been defined as coloured) were redefined as Black, with Asian and other non-White Bermudians defined by separate racial groups…

A “Black” Bermudian in the 20th Century referred to anyone with any degree of Black ancestry at all.

On Census returns, only in recent years have Bermudians been given the option to define themselves by more than one race, although there was considerable opposition to this from many Black leaders who discouraged Black Bermudians from doing so.

Only very recently have Bermudians been able to mark themselves as mixed. Black Bermudians oppose this because all Black Bermudians are mixed anyway and this will arbitrarily divide the Black community for no reason.

Most academic books on the subject emphasise the characteristic multi-racialism of Bermuda’s Black population.
Slavery in Bermuda, by James E. Smith. Vantage Press (1976).

All scholars agree that Bermudian Blacks are heavily mixed.

…and it has been pointed out in other publications that, if those Black Bermudians who have White ancestry were numbered instead with the White population, the Black population of Bermuda would be negligible.

The number of relatively pure Blacks in Bermuda is essentially zero.

…and the global economic downturn, all of which many Black Bermudians perceive as hitting them hardest, there is little sentiment today amongst people who have long been obliged to think of themselves as Black, in opposition to being White, to identify even partly with their European ancestry.

Black Bermudians do not wish to identify with their considerable White ancestry.

Despite these concerns, small numbers of Black Bermudians have chosen to describe themselves on census returns as mixed-racial, and the Native American demographic, which had disappeared for centuries, is slowly re-emerging, as more Bermudians – especially on St. David’s Island – choose to identify to some degree, if not exclusively, with their Native American ancestry…

That Bermudian “Indians” are only 1% Indian shows the nonsensical nature of Bermudian ethnic categories.

There is similar pressure on Black Bermudians (most of whom are multi-racial) not to self-identify as mixed race as there is in Blacks in the USA where President Barack Obama, raised by his single, white mother, sparked debate when he identified himself on the census as black, rather than mixed race.

Almost all Bermudian Blacks are better described as multiracial. Bermudian Blacks are compared with Barack Obama. Barack Obama is 50% White. The suggestion is that Bermudian Blacks are like Obama racially.

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104 responses to “Bermudian Blacks Close the Black-White IQ Gap

  1. EPGAH

    They get the benefits of white ancestry, but don’t want to identify as being white…What is the stigma about “Being White” that Blacks want to avoid so hardcore?
    Having a shitload of kids they can’t afford, and burning down whole cities are somehow preferable to “Acting White”–WHY?!

  2. swank

    This is nearly identical to Bermudian “Blacks.

    No it isn’t.

    Black and White Bermudians are basically the same people except for a label.

    Only if you believe the same is true of African Americans and White Americans.

    The term “Black” has no meaning in Bermuda. A “Black” person may be any mixture of Black, White and Amerindian.

    Like African Americans.

    The suggestion is that Bermudian Blacks are like Obama racially.

    You don’t have any evidence that they possess greater admixture than African Americans do.

    There’s no explanation for why populations with greater white admixture score lower than Bermudan blacks. No explanation for the fact that the admixture hypothesis itself isn’t even supported by what few experiments there are on the subject.

    The reality is that the data as it stands disconfirms global HBD, just like the data in the UK, and within a decade, the data in Kenya.

    • EPGAH

      In Bermuda, you can CHOOSE what race you are, almost like you can choose gender here in America!
      In Brazil, they don’t use “Black” or “White” to describe endogamous races, they use it to describe behavior patterns–but even THERE, Black refers to the murderous, thieving underclass. Is that just a local also, just a coincidence how it meshes with our observations around the world about Black behavior?

  3. swank

    All in all, this is good news for the Nurture side of the debate

    There is NO nurture side. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_social_science_model is NOT my position.

    • Swank you keep saying your argument isn’t on the nurture side, but everything that comes out of your mouth proves otherwise.

      Just please state your theory about human and genes once and for all.

      • Swank has been lying like a rug ever since he showed up here. This guy has sophistry down to an art. It’s all just PR talk, half-truths, diplomatese and lawyerese with this guy. He’s so slippery you cannot pin him down.

        Everything that Swank has said is that 0% of the variation in human intelligence and personality is due to genes. He also says there are no genes for human intelligence or personality. In addition, he says that no mental illnesses are caused by genes. They are all caused by environment. He doesn’t even believe men are more aggressive or violent than women, and he says testosterone has nothing to do with male aggression or violence.

        Swank, along with Afrosapiens and Alan, are all hardcore anti-hereditarians and 100% Nurturists or Environmentalists. These guys are some of the hardest Nurturists I have ever had on my board. Afrosapiens was a massive liar too. He is one of the biggest liars I have ever had on this board. He’s as slippery as Swank, talks out of both sides of his mouth, contradicts himself constantly, and you can never pin him down. He’s going to a lawyer. Perfect job for Afrosapiens, an expert liar and massive sophist.

        The truth is that in the last couple of decades, this sort of hardline Nurturism has been utterly destroyed. There’s not much left of them. They are pretty much discredited. On the other hand, science is not buying into hard hereditarianism either. Scientific consensus supports soft nurturism and soft HBD and rejects both of the extremes.

        • “Scientific consensus supports soft nurturism and soft HBD and rejects both of the extremes.”

          That’s good. Not even I believe everything is 100% genes. It doesn’t have to be black or white. All or nothing.

        • swank

          Science rejects the nature nurture distinction altogether….

        • Yeah I read that and I have read carefully every single comment you have written on here which denies a genetic role for any sort of “ranking” in human beings, denies any genetic role in personality, denies any genetic role in the variation of IQ scores (you stated the variation was 0% genetic), denies any genetic role in mental illness, and states that humans are more or less similar genetically. You also denied that males were more aggressive or violent than females and denied any role for testosterone in male violence and aggression.

          You and the other two stooges are the hardest Nurturists I have ever had on this board. The Almost Blank Slate is as empty as the Black Slate. These are just social science morons lying like they always do about what they believe in.

        • swank

          And my enumerated theory I’ve laid out a few times matches the science. Plus, it follows from basic evo-bio principles.

        • swank

          I’ve said several times that genes are hugely important, just not in the way HBDers think.

          I also never stated that variation was zero percent genetic. I said the variance was low, which follows from natural selection, a low mutation rate, and adaptations generally exhibiting low heritability.

          And please quote where I said that about males and females. I never did.

          Again, what I said was that the female male difference in both test and crime suggested that the supposed racial test gap had little explanatory power for different crime rates between the races.

        • Matt

          Paradoxically, he (and Afrosapiens) must have verbal IQ so high only Neil Degrasse Tyson can measure it,.

        • Swank and Afrosapiens are masters at arguing. Alan was too. Swank’s posts are often very intelligent too, even though he is almost always wrong.

        • Matt

          Paradoxically perhaps, I stand in awe of his obviously stratospheric verbal IQ.

        • swank

          The only time I am wrong is when you misstate something I have previously stated.

          I am right about black Bermudians…both about their IQs (which you now have come around to) and their likely ancestry (I found data from an actual black population).

          I am also right about the nature-nurture split. And the entire “these extremists on both sides should get in the middle already” is just http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoldenMeanFallacy.

        • swank

          “For Bahamas and Bermudas, a 13% European ancestry was documented in British African-Caribbeans.”
          http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2005.01441.x/full#ss14

          So there’s direct data, and it supports me. R.I.P. HBD.

          In addition to the data I cited below, there are plenty of good reasons to assume they are more or less similarly admixed as African Americans; the blacks in the region all hover around 80%.

          “We have genotyped these markers in two population samples with primarily African ancestry, viz. African Americans from Washington D.C. and an African Caribbean sample from Britain, and in a sample of European Americans from Pennsylvania. In the two African population samples, we observed significant correlations between estimates of individual ancestry and skin pigmentation as measured by reflectometry (R(2)=0.21, P<0.0001 for the African-American sample and R(2)=0.16, P<0.0001 for the British African-Caribbean sample).”
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12579416

      • swank

        I haven’t lied once.

        And I’ve stated it several times. Over and over and over.

        I analogized it to muscle memory…

        …and it still is misunderstood.

        And Robert misstated my position again. I stated that the trait likely exhibits low genetic variance which is why no genes have been associated with variation in the normal range. Instead, only genes causing mental disorders have found. Basic bio and evolutionary principles, here.

        I also never said men aren’t more violent than women…lol. I said that the test and crime differential between men and women strongly implied that the test crime difference between, to the extent it even exists, likely had little explanatory power.

        Robert is wrong about consensus because he still believes that heritability = genetic. So he thinks traits like IQ are 50% genetic. Its another misunderstanding, which feeds into this entire perception.

        It’s ok. In time it will become clear.

        • swank

          *between races

        • EPGAH

          Lawyers are in awe of your ability to explain away your previous wrong positions — oh, wait, OUR wrong interpretation of your previous explanations, right?

        • Don’t call Obama a bum please EPGAH.

        • swank

          EPGAH…

          QUOTE me on one of these allegedly wrong positions.

        • EPGAH

          “Whenever the enforcement of any law fails to comply with the constitution, that is the end of the inquiry.”

          You didn’t point out any case that you even BELIEVED violated the Constitution, or even what part of the Constitution you thought was violated.
          All thugs have the RIGHT to a Speedy Trial OR a Trial by Jury. SOME States still have Trial By Combat and even DUELS on the books. So when a thug invokes these, that’s its right. The cop should not get fired for that.

          You don’t discuss that the modern “juries” violate the Constitution every which way but loose!
          Between Nullification and Sequestration, there’s not ONE knowledgeable peer in the bunch!
          I mean it’s like trying to invoke the Magna Carta in American law!

          I also noticed NO LIP SERVICE given to the violation of the Constitution by the Sons of Anarchy in trying to railroad an innocent man into a murder conviction for killing a thug that attacked him in his own neighborhood?

        • swank

          You didn’t point out any case that you even BELIEVED violated the Constitution, or even what part of the Constitution you thought was violated.

          It’s usually the 4th amendment, when it comes to police officers. And when an officer uses excessive force, that is also a 4th amendment violation.

          All thugs have the RIGHT to a Speedy Trial OR a Trial by Jury.

          And the right against unreasonable searches and seizures. And the right against self-incrimination.

          You don’t discuss that the modern “juries” violate the Constitution every which way but loose!

          No they don’t. Jury nullification is part and parcel of the common law history and further testament to the genius underlying the entire system.

          I mean it’s like trying to invoke the Magna Carta in American law!

          I’m not invoking it for legal authority, I’m invoking it to demonstrate when and how the modern West and “white” people turned the corner toward building a civilization that could sustain an industrial revolution and progress society. That is the document. Due process is the West’s legacy; so people like you, who don’t take it very seriously and don’t mind “thugs” being denied it, do not represent the West.

        • EPGAH

          4th Amendment is search and seizure. FIFTH Amendment says the scum don’t HAVE to incriminate themselves, but ironically when they DON’T incriminate themselves, THAT can incriminate themselves too!

          You forgot it can choose to cooperate fully with the police rather than attack them like a cartoon rhino?
          Or did you MEAN to say that and it was AutoCorrected out?
          Attacking the cop like a cartoon rhino IS self-incrimination–just a form our Founding Fathers never thought of!

          Jury Nullification ensures you won’t have a peer or anything like one on the jury.
          Jury Sequestration ensures you won’t have even someone who can TALK to a peer.
          So they’re literally picking strangers who have nothing to do with the case.

        • EPGAH

          I’m still waiting for you to rebut or walk back that bit you said about cops provoking the thugs, as if VERBAL provocation makes up for a PHYSICAL assault.
          1.) There’s a reason verbal provocation is not allowed in AMERICAN jurisprudence. I’m sure some corner of the world allows “He Said Mean Things!” as exculpatory, but AMERICA — not the West, not the Magna Carta — DOESN’T!
          2.) Cops KNOW these are animals, they WANT the human facade to drop, so they can be treated as animals. It’s a game of wits between the cop and the animal. If you want to say that’s not “fair” because the animal is unarmed, or any other excuse that relies on thugs having impaired capacities compared to humans, isn’t that HMD?

        • swank

          You forgot it can choose to cooperate fully with the police rather than attack them like a cartoon rhino?

          You forgot that police officers can lie, police officers intentionally provoke citizens for no reason, police officers stop and harass people for no reason, and that police officers often create hostile situations through their own antagonizing actions.

          Your solution is that people should “cooperate” with all of this behavior.

          ironically when they DON’T incriminate themselves, THAT can incriminate themselves too!

          Also wrong. Silence cannot prejudice the Defendant in a criminal case.

          So they’re literally picking strangers who have nothing to do with the case.

          Because impartiality is part and parcel of due process.

          As usual, the people who are up in arms about “thugs” are often clueless about what makes the civilization and society they live in great.

        • EPGAH

          The whole idea of civilization is that we agree not to attack others, in exchange for not GETTING attacked. More recently, we’re supposed to give up our guns and PRAY that the State actor gets there in time to stop the thugs. I repeat, I AM NOT UP IN ARMS ABOUT THUGS! If a thug attacked me, I would gladly put it down without State “help”. I have had to TWICE in my life, and both times were MEXICAN thugs. I thought they were “Only Here To Work”? Cue Laugh Track

          Seriously though, if you’re going to vote away my ability to protect MYSELF, then I demand State protection that is AT LEAST as good as that I can provide for myself — and you don’t want to provide that either!

          COPS are going to lie? THAT is your excuse? More like SCUM are going to lie, to avoid responsibility, or more precisely punishment. The best way to stop these lies or at least trip them up, is to rattle the animals’ cages, get them so angry and stupid they BRAG about what they just did. Twitter often helps in this even BEFORE the cops get involved!

          And no, silence cannot prejudice decisions, BUT an explicit refusal to answer questions is a Suspiciously Specific Denial. Much the same way REFUSING to take a drug test before employment counts as failing it miserably! Ignorance is necessary for impartiality? That has implications you haven’t fully considered, right? Or worse, you’re fully comfortable with those implications…Which is it?

        • EPGAH

          My “solution” would be for criminals to fess up and accept full punishment, instead of attempting to lie their way out, flee, or fight the cops, but they’d have to have some blood in their Sodium Pentathol stream for that to happen. Until then, we have to either protect ourselves, or if THAT is taken away from us, then rely on the State to protect us “for” us, since we’re clearly too st-st-stupid to handle it ourselves, right?

        • EPGAH

          TLDR: The cops strategy to get the truth out of the thug is sufficiently advanced that it looks like “cheap tricks” to thugs and their supporters.

          But it must work, otherwise we wouldn’t have a complaint-worthy number behind bars, they’d be out robbing, raping, and murdering their betters.

        • swank

          The whole idea of civilization is that we agree not to attack others, in exchange for not GETTING attacked.

          Wrong. The whole idea of civilization is distributing surplus resources and justifying why some people get more and others get less. Warfare roughly tracks the beginnings of civilization.

          “Paleolithic warlessness” persisted until well after the appearance of Homo sapiens some 0.2 million years ago, ending only at the occurrence of economic and social shifts associated with sedentism, when new conditions incentivized organized raiding of settlements.[5][6]
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare

          I demand State protection that is AT LEAST as good as that I can provide for myself — and you don’t want to provide that either!

          Police have wide latitude under the constitution to provide protection.

          COPS are going to lie? THAT is your excuse? More like SCUM are going to lie, to avoid responsibility, or more precisely punishment.

          Once you hold those sworn to uphold the law to the same standards as scum, you have disregarded due process.

          BUT an explicit refusal to answer questions is a Suspiciously Specific Denial

          More anti-due process ranting.

          Ignorance is necessary for impartiality?

          Sometimes.

        • EPGAH

          Wait, wait, wait. You lost me at “surplus” resources. Who defines whose resources and how much thereof are “surplus”? Did you EVER look up the Great Leap Forward? Bureaucrats “accidentally” over-reported how much grain their area harvested, so the “excess” was confiscated–leading to the starvation-murder of 50-80 MILLION of China’s OWN PEOPLE?

          Warfare doesn’t need civilization, in fact civilization ENDED warfare.
          Look at America, no civilization, plenty of warfare, tribes invaded each other for anything from water to hunting rights to male&female slaves to personal affronts. America came in, civilized the place, no more streetless street gangs raiding each other. Our States don’t attack each other either, despite some Cough California acting like a separate country in all butt name, even now having separate citizenship processes for the illegal scum pouring into THEIR borders as opposed to the rest of the country.

          Or we could look at Africa. No warfare while the Civilized World ran countries there. Now Under New Management, it’s a fucking warzone.
          Put more technical language in if you think it deserves it, maybe “the removal of civilization brought the removal of civilization”?

          One sided wars DID increase, but that was just kicking aside savages — the danger to ALL our safety/property — to make civilization possible.
          Organized raiding of our settlements became REALLY disincentivized when they thought THEIR asses might be the ones kicked instead of ours.
          On the contrary, when savages thought they could get away with it, why wouldn’t they?

          How long did the Indians, Mexicans, and Japanese fuck with America?
          What stopped them? (1/3 of this is a trick question)

          I’m all for “due process”, but in times of war, the law should shut the fuck up. There was some Latin code for this, but the sentiment NEEDS to be expressed bluntly!

          WHY do you think ignorance is necessary for impartiality? That’s almost as stupid as evidence being suppressed because it’s “too prejudicial”.
          “We have a smoking gun here WITH the thug’s fingerprints AND a signed confession, but it’s TOO PREJUDICIAL, so we won’t let it enter a court of law”
          That’s how people get away with murder!
          OJ confessed THREE TIMES — but took it back — then CHARGED for the fourth one!

          They had the DNA evidence, should’ve been a negotiation of which jail it went to — but it got off because LAPD is “racist”? Now THAT is ignorance, and I defy you to call it “impartiality”!

          Luckily, we only catch the stupid ones, and OJ was STUPID enough to celebrate its newfound immunity to American law…by committing ARMED ROBBERY!
          This is what I was saying about recidivism. To make a cute soundbyte of it:

          “If you don’t kill’em, they won’t learn nothin’!”

        • swank

          You lost me at “surplus” resources

          Complex societies thrive on specialization and stratification, which can only occur in the presence of surplus resources. It’s a basic feature and necessary requirement for civilization.

          Warfare doesn’t need civilization, in fact civilization ENDED warfare

          Laughably wrong.

          WHY do you think ignorance is necessary for impartiality? That’s almost as stupid as evidence being suppressed because it’s “too prejudicial”.

          More (unknowing) arguments against due process. Now you’re attacking the rules of evidence.

  4. Santoculto

    Maybe, many white bermudians are really white, without greater mix, but many light coloured bermudians identify themselves as ”white”, like happen in almost latin american nations or better, undeveloped american nations. This fact may reduce average scores among white bermudians.

  5. Jason Y

    Because of it’s very small size, the government can pay attention to the whole country and eliminate poverty.and lack of education. That’s one theory. In the US, the poverty ridden black areas are like Amerindian reservations, neglected by the government, except for some weak government programs which don’t really help.

    • EPGAH

      Then where’s their science programs?
      Their great contributions to everything from semiconductors to leisure products?
      Their space program?
      Maybe just something as banal as the Snack-eez or Snuggie?

      I’ll take dumb products that were WAY too popular for $200, Alex!

      Did the Bermuda Triangle eat it?

      • Jason Y

        A small naton like Bermuda with a space program? Please 😆 Even assuming it has a smart population.

        • EPGAH

          Why not? Iran has one, even if it’s just a paper-thin disguise for launching ICBMs at the Civilized World, it still has to get SOMETHING into space and make it hit SOMETHING other than their own asses!

  6. JM8

    Chuck on his occidentalist site a while back had data Caribbean scores. I recall one for the Bahamas (mostly black) was also about the same(90). The site is now down. I’ll try to find the original source.

    • JM8

      The Bahamas is much less mixed than Bermuda

    • JM8

      correction: “about the same(about 90-95)”

      The country is 85 percent Black.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bahamas#Ethnic_groups

      Secondary school attendance/enrollment appears to be about 90 percent(of the relevant age groups) in the 80’s and 90’s (specifically ca. 1984-93), so the sample should be fairly representative.
      https://humanvarietiesfiles.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/1988-johnson-otis.pdf

      “Pandora Johnson organized a large and representative sample of Bahamian secondary school children in 1987 (Johnson, 1988 ). Johnson collected data for 2nd and 3rd year students from 20 of the 36 high schools in the nation. In all, 694 adolescents were given the Otis-Lennon School Ability Test.

      The average IQ of the 20 different high schools was 95 (p 72). The scores were converted on test norms from 1979, requiring a -2 point adjustment for 8 years of norm inflation. This gives us an IQ of 93 for The Bahamas.”

      http://humanvarieties.org/2013/03/12/hvgiq-the-bahamas/

      • swank

        Ah.

        Another data point that disproves HBD. Neat.

        • EPGAH

          Great! Any way we can kick out our ungrateful rioters and bring in these smarter ones? Or does smarter!=better behaved?

        • swank

          When you learn to stop blaming society’s losers for problems in the society, you will realize why that isn’t the solution.

        • Jason Y

          Just as I thought, a small nation like that can pay more attention to it’s population, hence better education. Plus plenty of tourist dollars for revenue. On the other hand, Jamaica (another tourist hot spot) is a bit bigger and cannot easily create some sort of a welfare state, at least not under capitalism.

        • EPGAH

          What problems do we have in the society that aren’t caused by the ones even YOU finally admit are losers?

        • Jason Y

          What problems do we have in the society that aren’t caused by the ones even YOU finally admit are losers?

          Losers are created partly by choice, but partly by the environment.

        • Jason Y

          Perhaps Bermuda is more religious, and this has a cvilizing effect. Note, though, just cause a country is Christian, doesn’t mean the population follows their religion strictly.

        • swank

          I never said they weren’t losers.

        • EPGAH

          Incorrect, in another thread, you not only explicitly said they weren’t losers, you said we needed to “fix the system” for their benefit! Otherwise they won’t buy into it, or something like that…

          Anyways, if you finally admit they ARE losers, then doesn’t that mean the system is Working As Intended, and protecting ourselves form their kind is a FEATURE, not a bug? And judging by recent events, that feature needs to be increased!

        • swank

          or something like that…

          And there’s your biggest problem. No, I did not say that they “weren’t losers.” I said that they reject the system, which is true.

          Anyways, if you finally admit they ARE losers, then doesn’t that mean the system is Working As Intended,

          And this comment proves that you didn’t even get the point I was making.

        • EPGAH

          Then say it more plainly. I don’t think there’s anything I said that you could POSSIBLY misinterpret, is there?

          My point is our system works if it filters out the losers.

          Especially when they’re only invading our country to see what they can steal, but that’s a secondary point, right?

          Tertiary: If they don’t like it, LEAVE! Except there’s too much stuff here for them to steal for leaving to even cross whatever passes for a mind, right?

          If you’re a hardcore Nurturist, then why not accept this:
          They made their environment, it caters to their loserhood.
          We made our environment. It caters to US!
          Why do they invade our environment, KNOWING it’s not made for them?
          Why do they DEMAND we make OUR environment more suitable to our enemies?

      • How black are these Bahamians? Do you have any idea? I suspect they are quite a bit Blacker than the Bermudians. If they are as Black as US Blacks, it is a good data point. It would be quite impressive if a Black group as Black as US Blacks scored 93 on an IQ test.

        • EPGAH

          Yes, but that would just mean that OUR Blacks are…lazy!
          Wouldn’t it?
          That would blow away half a century of excuses about being politically disadvantaged somehow making them stupid and violent!

        • If the Bermudian data is good, and I suspect it is, then US Blacks ought to be able to close the Black-White IQ gap for 8.5 points. They’re not doing it.

        • JM8

          I could only find one paper. It estimates about 83% African for Bahamians in new Providence, the most populous island(page 21) and similar amounts for other Bahamas islands. This is not far from the 86-90% Black fractions usually found for Barbados and Jamaica.

          “The New Providence and both US African American populations share similar admixture proportions (16.3%, 15.9% and 14.6%, respectively) from Europeans “(page 22)

          The Bahamians overall seem to have mostly African Maternal mtdna and Ydna lineages; 85% of the latter. African Americans have more Euro male lineages because of “founder effect” but range from about 70-85% African. One Bahamian island(Long Island) has more Euro Ydna than average (they propose) because of British Loyalist settlers.

          “The G-test results (Supplementary Table 7) reveal statistically insignificant genetic differences between the Bahamian collections and several of the continental African populations (i.e., Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Guinea-Bissau and the Bantu group from Kenya) either before or after application of the Bonferroni correction. In addition, Abaco, Eleuthera, Exuma, Grand Bahama and New Providence were not found to differ significantly from the other New World groups of African descent (Haiti, Jamaica and the two US African American collections),”(page111)

          “Results of the admixture analyses (Table 5) indicate that the largest genetic contributor to the Bahamian gene pool is continental Africa, with Long Island, Abaco, Eleuthera, Grand Bahama and Exuma sharing approximately 65.4%, 75.0%, 80.3%, 86.7% and 90.4% of their autosomal component with the African collections,”(page113)

          http://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1455&context=etd

        • JM8

          The paper I referenced on Bahamians:
          Divergent genetic strata in five Bahamian islands
          by TM Simms – ‎2012

        • Cool! An 83% Black population is scoring 93 on an IQ test in the Bahamas! Yay!

          There’s some really cool Black IQ news coming out of the Caribbean.

        • JM8

          Sorry to correct myself again, but the Bahamian paper I linked to is actually
          “The Peopling of the Bahamas: A Phylogeographical Perspective”
          T M. Simms 2012

        • EPGAH

          Black failure, when viewed through the lens of (enforced) racial equality IS Black Power.
          If they worked at full potential, they would RAISE EXPECTATIONS, and would be EXPECTED to perform at white-normal Levels. THIS way they can get all kinds of freebies and accommodations based on the failure–and MORE if they blame the failure on white oppression.
          Have you read Coates’ book yet?

        • EPGAH

          Also, it would mean the countries controlled by savages are being fucked up BY THE SAVAGES, not by white oppression, and I think they’d rather eat nothing but light bulbs for a year than admit they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing!

    • These Black Bermudians were scoring 90-93 for some time I believe. They had four tests in that range. And then this latest test came in at 100. There is some argument about whether this is an achievement test or an IQ test, but I am not sure if it matters. It seems that you can judge this test as either an achievement test or an IQ test. Linda Gottfredson says this particular test measures the g-factor very well. That’s as good as an IQ test for me.

      Because there were four ~92 scores and one 100 score, Jason Malloy, hard hereditarian, decided to throw this test out as anomalous. Furthermore, the ~92 scores are about what we would expect given the genetics of the group.

      I disagree with his decision to do this. The ~92 scores were all recorded some time ago. The 100 score is from 2003. Two of the 91.5 scores were from 1980. Closing the gap from 1980 to 2003 over a 23 year period apparently due to a massive Flynn gain is not out of the realm of the possible.

  7. Jason Y

    A lot of these bright blacks all thru history, Frederick Douglass would be one, got their brains via the environment, not white admixture. Your telling me that field hand is going to be smarter than Thomas Jefferson’s personal secretary?

    • EPGAH

      Even ordinary parents can have a genius child!
      And from what I have personally seen, even if I somehow forget every last stat I ever read, high intellect is a mutation in Blacks–UNLESS it was forced into their genepool by something else….Aliens? Or whites, which are MUCH more readily seduced–I mean ACCESSIBLE!

      If high IQ is the norm among Blacks, why have they consistently underscored on IQ tests? Are they holding back to keep expectations low and life easier? Why haven’t there been more Frederick Douglasses, Booker T Washingtons, and Thomas Sowells, fewer Emett Tills, Trayvon Martins, Tyrone Harrises?

      Then of course, we have this fearsome foursome of Blacks who were intelligent, but used it to ruin society instead of advance society.

      Thomas Jefferson’s secretary, I have no way of knowing…but what about Jefferson’s bastards? 😉

  8. JM8

    My casual impression (from looking at Bermudan crowds on google images and elsewhere) is that many Bermudans look quite black rather than mixed, though significant numbers like mixed too.

    images search results for “Bermuda school children”:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=black+bermudans&biw=1083&bih=828&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIpLvE8MenxwIVRBY-Ch24Qgot#tbm=isch&q=bermuda+school+children&imgrc=EkdPgb6pkWtzBM%3A

    and for “Bermuda locals”:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=black+bermudans&biw=1083&bih=828&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIpLvE8MenxwIVRBY-Ch24Qgot#tbm=isch&q=bermuda+locals&imgrc=lcbSsJbFLlX-5M%3A

    I would guess the commentator at the site bellow was close to the truth who guessed them(at least the “Black” Bermudans) to be about 65-75% Black

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/39693-Bermies(people-of-Bermuda)

    • JM8

      correction: “though significant numbers look(not “like”) mixed too”

    • What are you talking about? They are mixed all to Hell. That is one of the most mixed groups of Black people I have ever seen in my entire life.

      The “Indians” are apparently just typical Black Bermudans. They are 50% Black, 40% White and 1% Indian. They only call themselves “Indian” because of that 1% Indian.

      The “mixed” group is a brand new census designation. The “mixed” group was called “Black” for the entire 20th Century. Before that, they were called “Colored.” Apparently 8% of the former “Blacks” decided to call themselves “mixed” on the new census. All indications are that this group is no more mixed than the rest of them. It’s just a group of Bermudian Blacks who arbitrarily decided to adopt a new ethnonym.

      We have only two genetic studies out of Bermuda. They show for Bermudian non-Whites:

      50% Black, 49% White, 1% Indian.
      51% Black, 45% White, 4% Indian.

      Those two genetic studies of Bermudian non-White are awful close to each other. That’s the genetics of non-White Bermudians at this point in time.

      • JM8

        What percent of the population are the so called “Indians”? If they are the same group I am thinking of, they claim descent from a tiny group of US natives brought as slaves in the 1600’s, now much diluted, and are very small.
        Also it seems unlikely that a larger number of known white ancestors and/or a whiter phenotype (or the perception thereof) than average(for Bermudan “coloreds”) is not at least a part in the decision of some in Bermuda to classify themselves as mixed rather than Black.

        • What percent of the population are the so called “Indians”? If they are the same group I am thinking of, they claim descent from a tiny group of US natives brought as slaves in the 1600’s, now much diluted, and are very small.

          Your history is pretty much correct. I think the so-called Indians are 4%. They are most of the population of St. David’s Island.

          Also it seems unlikely that a larger number of known white ancestors and/or a whiter phenotype (or the perception thereof) than average(for Bermudan “coloreds”) is not at least a part in the decision of some in Bermuda to classify themselves as mixed rather than Black.

          I do not understand this double negative sentence. Way more than 8% of the non-White population looks mixed to Hell.

          Yeah but there’s no evidence that that is true, and the “Indians” look exactly like the “mixed” people genetically. I doubt if the “Blacks” look much different. The Blacks opposed the mixed category because they said the people calling themselves mixed were no more mixed than anyone else.

      • JM8

        “I doubt if the “Blacks” look much different. The Blacks opposed the mixed category because they said the people calling themselves mixed were no more mixed than anyone else.”

        You may not be able to take that that claim at face value. Some US Blacks have made similar arguments against a separate mixed catagory by claiming that they are are in general mixed and thus essentially undifferentiated from those that claim a mixed identity(generally inaccurate as US Blacks are on average more African than not.
        But Bermudan history may be quite different, so who knows.

        • JM8

          All new world slave societies(and many colonial ones) have historically had a mixed race group, whether officially recognized or not. It would be surprising if Bermuda did not as well.

        • The Bermudians are the most mixed Blacks in the Northern Hemisphere.

          If you read the Wikipedia article on Bermuda Demographics, it goes into great detail about the Bermudian “Blacks” and it’s obviously just a totally mixed race population. They only got called Blacks in the 20th Century. Before they were always called “Colored” because hardly any of them were not mixed.

          In the discussion about why thoroughly mixed race Bermudian Blacks identify as Black, Wikipedia said they could just as easily identify as White and it would make about as much sense. This implies that they are 50-50 Black and White. Then Bermudian Blacks were compared to Barack Obama in the US (50-50 mulatto) and the proposed “mixed” category in the UK for heavily mixed mulattos (mostly 50-50 mulattos).

          The way the article talks about them continuously notes that they are not all that Black and that the term is a misnomer, that they are mixed race people, and that they are best compared with other 50-50 mulatto persons and groups.

          Anyway, we don’t know who National Geographic measured. It said they measured “mixed race” people in Bermuda, but that’s how you talk about any non-White over there. It did not say they tested those who checked “mixed” on the census. They could easily have tested mostly Bermudian “Blacks” and just referred to them as mixed race since that’s obviously what they were.

          What’s the point of this discussion? Are we ever going to resolve it? Is there any good hard data out there regarding DNA testing of Bermudian Blacks? And how do we know the Nat Geo group was not testing Bermudian Blacks and calling them mixed race?

          If we can’t 100% prove the genetics of the Bermudian Blacks, then let’s just give it a rest. Arguments are settled with data. Where there’s no data, discussion is pointless speculation.

        • swank

          If there’s no data, the default position in the Americas for blacks is what I said it was…

        • Swank, your science is shit. There’s a “default” % for Blacks in the Americas! That’s some real science, Swank. Guess what, Swank? When there’s no data, you can’t claim anything. You can’t assume any default anything in science. Your science is pathetic, you lie constantly, and science has shit all over your 100% Nurture joke that you continuously misrepresent. You Nurturists are pathetic.

        • I just looked over that Nat Geo data again. Swank is pathetic and wrong like he always is. He insists that they only tested the 8% of the population that checked “mixed” on the census.

          HE IS COMPLETELY WRONG.

          That Nat Geo data apparently is for the entire genome of Bermuda. Yes it was taken from mixed populations all over Bermuda. That means they sampled everyone – “Blacks,” Whites, Asians, “mixed”, and “Indians.”

          For the entire island, the Bermudian genome is 51% Black, 45% White, and 4% Indian.

          Then we have some data from some “Indians”: 50% Black, 49% White, and 1% Indian.

          I must say that we don’t really have any data on genomics for Bermudian “Blacks”, Whites, or “mixed.” We simply do not know.

          However, US Blacks are 76% Black. Swank pitifully suggests that we are mandated to take this as default for all Blacks in the Americas. The truth is that Bermudian Blacks are apparently far more White than US Blacks. Bermudian Blacks are endlessly referred to as the most mixed Blacks in the Caribbean, the US and Canada.

          All the other data suggests that Bermudian Blacks are similar to Barack Obama and the “mixed” category in the UK. Wikipedia says it would make as much sense for them to identify as White than as Black. All of that points to a population that is 50-50 Black-White.

        • swank

          Yes…

          It’s about 80% give or take.

          btw…
          “Here we used a panel of 28 AIMs to examine the genetic ancestry of 298 individuals of African descent from the Caribbean islands of Jamaica, St. Thomas and Barbados. Differences in global admixture were observed, with Barbados having the highest level of West African ancestry (89.6%+/- 2.0) and the lowest levels of European (10.2%+/- 2.2) and Native American ancestry (0.2%+/- 2.0), while Jamaica possessed the highest levels of European (12.4%+/- 3.5) and Native American ancestry (3.2%+/- 3.1). St. Thomas, USVI had ancestry levels quite similar to African Americans in continental U.S. (86.8%+/- 2.2 West African, 10.6%+/- 2.3 European, and 2.6%+/- 2.1 Native American).”
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17908263

          /fin.

        • swank

          The document you’re referencing states mixed populations were sampled. There is a mixed population in Bermuda. The document is a genome specific “results” document. Whoever was sampled likely had a lot in common with a mixed Bermudan.

        • swank

          So, if Bermudan blacks, who approximate US blacks in admixture, closed the gap? R.I.P. ALL HBD.

        • swank

          In other words, my default position is based on very good evidence. The blacks in the region hover around 80%, and none of your evidence measures an actual black population.

        • swank

          Tropical Medicine & International Health:Volume 10(7)July 2005p 627–639 … Additional references on admixture between populations …. For Bahamas and Bermudas, a 13% European ancestry was documented in British African-Caribbeans

    • Forget it. No way are those people 70% Black. US Blacks are 76% Black and these people are way more mixed than US Blacks.

      I do not believe I have ever seen a more mixed group of Black people. Maybe in Brazil.

      • JM8

        Not all the people in the pictures are necessarily classified as”Bermudan Blacks”. Some/many likely belong to the other classifications. They are not a random sample of the ” Black group”, but they do at least show that some of those classified as Black are much more African than mixed looking

        • JM8

          Correction: “They are not a random sample of the ” Black group”,”
          should be :
          “They are not a sample of the ” Black” group alone.”

        • Almost all of the non-Whites are called “Blacks.” The “mixed” people were called Blacks for the entire 20th Century. Only 8% of the population identifies as mixed and there is no evidence that they are any more mixed than anyone else. The “Indians” are just 50-50 mulattos with 1% Indian in them.

          I will grant you that there are heavily Black Black people in Bermuda, but most of them are recent arrivals from other Caribbean islands. Those people could be quite Black, maybe up to 85-90% Black.

  9. Jason Y

    Yeah definitely this is a case of improved envionment bumping up IQ scores. In other words, the “brain” is being worked, much as an athlete works a muscle.

    With such variables as these controlling IQ, then what nonsense is race realist ideas the so called “unchangeable nature of IQ”.

    • Jason Y

      Also note as Swank said, that the people of Bermuda are similar to African Americans, a group traditionally known for a lower iQ, higher than Africa, but lower than whites. But black Bermudians are closing in on the 100 IQ mark.

      • Swank was WRONG about that, and he was very dishonest about it too as he was with so many tings. Swank was a great big liar.

        Bermudian Blacks are about 50% White I believe.

        • Jason Y

          So considering that, do you think the enviornment or race admixture is at work in Bermuda?

        • Jason Y

          Your quote pretty much sums it up, to my pleasure:

          However, the excellent news is that the recent testing seems to drive a stake into the heart of Hard HBD theory which states that due to their 50% Black genes, Bermudian Blacks would never be able to score about 92 IQ average and would never close the 8 point gap between Blacks and Whites in Bermuda.

  10. Chuck

    Bermudans also take the GED. Based on the “Black” and “White” pass rate differences for 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, there is a 0.5 SD gap — granted, sample sizes are small. Results are ambiguous, of course, since recent immigrants constitute 1/3 of the population.

    As for admixture, you would want to know the “Black”/”White” %European difference. Are Bermudian Whites 100% European or are they more like Brazilian Whites. What were the 2 genetic studies by the way?

    • I forget. The studies were found online and were posted as links in my comments threads. You can probably find them online. One was looking for Amerindian ancestry in Bermudians but they found very little – 1%.

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