New Author: Afrosapiens

Nok culture terracotta, Nigeria (1000 BC – 300 AD)

Dear Robert,

I realize that I took too much advantage of your tolerance, I failed to take your warnings seriously and I apologize for having surpassed the limits too many times. I know that many commenters did not benefit from your patience as much as I did. However, I believe with great humility that my contributions to the conversations are generally positive. I try to bring objective and articulate insight in the discussed topics and I do everything I can to stick to the best conduct standards in spite of all the expressed opinions that hurt my sense of morality and rationality.
If you wonder why I got near-emotional when commenting on some posts, the first thing I must say is that many mentioned my name, quoted statements of mine or were clearly derived from discussions I took part in. But that’s not all.
As you noticed it, my interest in the posts about blacks and especially West African blacks is linked to my ethnic background. I’m an Haïtian Black adopted by White Gallo-Roman Catholic parents which in France stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant in the USA. It means more than white, it means the native ancestral dominant elite stock, “la crème de la crème” in other words. If you want to make an analogy with the US, I don’t react here as a black person but rather as typical liberal New Englander.
The story of my life has doomed me to become the most leftist among the Leftists, not the pro-welfare kind but the pro-self empowerment kind, giving people the opportunity to do the best for themselves is what true liberalism is to me. I know where I come from and I know where I ended up, I see the contrast and I realize how much life is not only about merit.
I was born in the worst slum of Port-au-Prince and now I’m just starting a professional career at 23, I’m starting as a lawyer by September. I don’t do it for money but for self-fulfillment, I don’t need to earn money because I’m already wealthy, not by birth but by adoption and it feels totally different as I know how short I fell of living a life of slum dweller. Now I have a master’s degree and I grew up in an environment that engineered me for excellence.
Now you will ask what is my relationship to West Africa. Until I went to high school, my environment was almost 100% White native French, that’s only when I went to the elite Lycée of my city that I met West Africans who were almost the only minority alongside the Vietnamese in an otherwise still 95% White native French environment.
Acknowledging the link between Haïti, my birth country and West Africa, the region where some (a minority) of my best friends’ parents were born, I developed a deep interest in the culture, history and society of this region of the world. This interest gradually extended to the wider West African diaspora with my focus on African Americans recently reaching its peak in a context of increased racial tension in the USA.
After high school, I enjoyed a gap year to do volunteering across West Africa and Haïti, it then became an annual holiday hobby and these volunteering experiences in the 4th world are the most valuable parts of my life. In addition to that, I travel to other places as well, I’ve stayed two months in Toronto, went to Chicago, New York City, the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain for cultural trips. So I believe I have solid knowledge of different parts of the world.
You said I did quite well in keeping my cool on your blog and I can’t agree more. Scientific racism doesn’t only insult me, some of the most formidable persons I’ve met and millions more for nothing that we deserve, it is a great lie supporting a genocidal agenda and I can tell you I’m in a crusade against HBDers, race realists, hereditarians or whatever you want to call them. Even though I often feel targeted by these theories, I don’t lose my sense of objectivity and there is no truth that I avoid.
If you give me one last chance, I promise I never break any rule on the blog and keep the standards of intellectual quality I impose to myself in my comments.
Regards,
This is an edited version of the petition for reinstatement that I had to send when Robert banned me as a commenter posting under the pseudonym “Anti-Hereditarian”. Now as you can see, our relation has improved a lot, much more than my English. Robert has not only forgiven me, he has promoted me to the status of author and gave me a second reason to thank him. It’s already all said in the above letter, I’m an anti-racist liberal young black Frenchman, no one is perfect. I won’t be a very prolific author and most of my posts will deal with the controversy over race, the controversy over intelligence and the controversy over race and intelligence. I hope you will enjoy my post and have great conversations about them.

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86 responses to “New Author: Afrosapiens

  1. Sam

    “…Scientific racism is doesn’t only insult me, … it is a great lie supporting a genocidal agenda…”

    Please explain how Blacks are being genocided by Whites ,(HBD), when any cursory look at population figures shows drastic decline in White populations compared to Blacks.

    “…I’m an Haïtian Black adopted by White Gallo-Roman Catholic parents…”

    It’s been said by swank and afrosapiens that all we have to do is provide an enriched environment and all will be well. Let’s look at afrosapiens back ground and right off you realize this must have cost a LOT of money. Why is it incumbent on the French people to support kids from Haiti? After all the Blacks killed all the Whites and ran them out of Haiti. If you say they owe them for slavery just EXACTLY what is the value and time limit for this repayment for slavery? Will afrosapiens ask the Jews, who were the major slave traders, how much they will pay for this?

    Why with the limited resources, partially due to the Jewish central banks running everything, should the French people not concentrate on the French? If you say it’s for slavery or colonialism then what effort have you made to get your recompense from the Kings, Queens, Earls and what not of Europe as they were the people who profited?

    It’s my belief that all this talk about White people providing enriched environments and helping others and etc. is nothing more than a never ending demonization of Whites. If someone could say…well it’s going to cost so and so and this will be how we’ll measure it and etc. then at least we could see what is demanded. From my perspective the only thing they demand is that we die and pay as much as possible on the way down.

    I have direct evidence that this is the game plan from former Rhodesia and South Africa. In South Africa there is no doubt the Africans are genociding the White people there. You may say the White South Africans deserve this, I of course disagree, but if White South Africans fate is White people’s fate then White people need to resist to ANY level of violence necessary to keep this from happening to them.

    • Afrosapiens

      What you can’t understand is that my life is not a story about race, it’s a story about humanity. Yes it’s cliché but it’s the way it has always been for me and everyone around me. I won’t discuss your comment any further.

      • Santoculto

        When Haiti was french colony, french people were also slave of their ”government”. Were***

      • Sam

        “…my life is not a story about race, it’s a story about humanity…”

        I bet you won’t. When it’s a Black problem it’s all about what Whites owe. It’s all about how all these miracles will come about if “Whites” will just open their tight ass wallets. Yet when asked who owes who, what and how? Well it a humanitarian problem. It’s only a Black issue when Whites can be made to feel they owe something to Blacks or Jews or whoever. Let’s ask another question. What do Blacks owe to Whites in a Western society. Your words “it’s a story about humanity”…well why the hell can’t we get that? Ooppsss……now we get right back to how the Evil Whites and their tight ass wallets and racis and what not are the problem. You think maybe they could stop murdering Whites for say a week or two as some kind of down payment on all these things we’re supposed to do for them “In the Name of Western Civilization”, which I’ll remind you I’m perfectly willing to throw in the ash heap to save Whites.

        You said nothing about South Africa and any mention of racism in the White countries can not be complete without talking about the situation of Whites there. Either we treat humanity as a whole and make the facts known straight across the board or you might as well just stop your “humanity” jive. If you will only discuss “racism” that exist against non-Whites and pretend that there is none against Whites then you are a charlatan, anti-White and a propagandist. South Africans are part of “humanity” don’t you agree or are they not? If not then my advice is for Whites to ruthlessly as possible remove everyone who WILL NOT recognize Whites humanity while lecturing them about what Whites should do for “humanity”. I wish to remind you before you say White people don’t belong in Africa that the majority of Blacks there don’t either. They are Bantus from the North that came in great numbers to work in the civilization that Whites built. If you say Whites don’t belong in Africa then what may I ask are you doing in France? If you want a country for everyone and keep it that way I’m fine with that but don’t play this game that Whites must get out while everyone else should be free to crowd Whites into extinction.

    • Jason Y

      I have direct evidence that this is the game plan from former Rhodesia and South Africa. In South Africa there is no doubt the Africans are genociding the White people there. You may say the White South Africans deserve this, I of course disagree, but if White South Africans fate is White people’s fate then White people need to resist to ANY level of violence necessary to keep this from happening to them.

      The situation in South Africa is an isolated example. In most other parts of the world, whites can easily move away from ghetto blacks. No doubt ghetto blacks would make life hell for whites if they could, but it isn’t possible in the US. Those who are tortured by ghetto blacks have usually been asking for it, mainly by living near ghetto blacks.

      When I say ghetto black I mean it universally to mean “bad black people”, which doesn’t represent all of them.

      • Jason Y

        You said nothing about South Africa and any mention of racism in the White countries can not be complete without talking about the situation of Whites there. Either we treat humanity as a whole and make the facts known straight across the board or you might as well just stop your “humanity” jive. If you will only discuss “racism” that exist against non-Whites and pretend that there is none against Whites then you are a charlatan, anti-White and a propagandist.

        It’s a tricky issue. In a lot of parts of the world the anti-white bullying can be quite severe. Those doing the bullying believe they have a right to do so as revenge or justice. Can’t say complaining does any good. Better just to leave, unless you want to be some Christ like hero.

        • Jason Y

          The best move in South Africa for whites would be to leave. However, I could be wrong, has the situation been improving over there? I know the economy has improved since the World Cup.

        • Afrosapiens

          “The best move in South Africa for whites would be to leave.”

          Whites can’t leave South Africa because they have no other place to call home, it’s the same thing for US blacks. The Afrikaners would not feel at home in the Netherlands or Belgium, the British would be a little less homesick in Australia, the Indians in Mauritius. History produces post-colonial natives whose homeland is not supposed to be the place from where their ancestors came centuries ago.

          “I know the economy has improved since the World Cup.”

          South Africa’s economy has always been mediocre, it appeared blooming in apartheid era because they had access to a mass of slave-like workers (I’m not exagerating anything) so it’s like they were on pills. It’s not even a race problem, the Afrikaners are a backward people, they are like super-rednecks, not very precious human capital to make a prosperous and inclusive economy flourish. They could be replaced by skilled migrants from other parts of Subsaharan Africa and the economy would stay the same.

        • Jason Y

          Usually the bullying is tied in with left wing people movements. In South Korea for instance, a politican named DJ died and so many mourned, mainly cause he was Anti-American (not a ass-kisser). When schoolkids mention DJ, they think of America, and many jokingly pull out a middle finger. 😆

        • Jason Y

          My guess is that in South Africa no blacks want to be seen as ass-kissers to whites, so they favor communist or leftist type politicians and these guys, as in South Korea, hate white people.

        • Jason Y

          On the other side of the South African debate, as also in Korea, Latin America etc.. The right wing is equally insane and psychotic bordering on Nazi. As the left wing “cool kids” are unreasonable, so would be your typical far right wing guy in South Africa. Neither group is pleasant to be around at times, best to avoid politics, but they always bring it up.

        • Jason Y

          It’s not even a race problem, the Afrikaners are a backward people, they are like super-rednecks, not very precious human capital to make a prosperous and inclusive economy flourish.

          I’m wondering if people here in Tennessee are like that. They seem incredibly resentful of anyone with an education, assuming they’re arrogant. They go around flying the Confederate flag, trying to be all macho. 😆 Is all this show really helping them as a people though?

        • Jason Y

          Regarding South Africa again, the Afrikaners might be rednecks but they are minority unlike in the south USA where they are the majority. It’s easier to see why they would want to be rednecks in SA. On the other hand, the rednecks in the south USA are not motivated by real persecution.

          Well. they (South USA rednecks) feel the establishment is against them (banning the rebel flag and all), but the government isn’t really controlled by blacks (other than the president) and they’re not really threatened by blacks. Even if they are, they can move away. Most parts like Appalachia where I live have few blacks.

        • Afrosapiens

          True, but first we must keep in mind that there is always a lot of irrationality in folk beliefs about society and politics. I mean at every end of the spectrum and among the moderates, interests and feelings often take over true facts.

          What’s amazing with the Afrikaners and the Rednecks is how mediocre they stay after years of institutionalized privilege. They would have been better if they had to compete in a fair game in which they already advantages compared to the blacks.

          Now about their feeling of persecution, I think it’s increased by their acknowledgement of how much harm they have done and their experience of human right violation as perpetrators gives them a clear idea of what life could be as a victim.

  2. Sam

    I might add I’m in no way convinced that you’re a Black Frenchman. You could be very well be a Jew using the persona of being Black to deflect criticism.

    • Afrosapiens

      Sam, do you realize how much stuff you’re making up from what was initially a private letter I sent to Robert ? I just chose to put it in my introduction as I thought it contained everything the visitors had to know about me, but it was not supposed to become public at all. I was banned and I wanted to come back to the conversations and be true to Robert, that’s it.

      • Sam

        “…Scientific racism is doesn’t only insult me, … it is a great lie supporting a genocidal agenda…”

        Your quote. All the questions I asked follow if you take the ideas of scientific racism rationally. Also if you disagree with scientific racism.

        If scientific racism is rational then it’s pointless to provide all this enriched environment when we can just as easily raise the character and IQ of our country by doing nothing and do even better by deporting all Blacks with some kind of pension.

        If scientific racism is not rational then in order to make your case for immigration to the West you need tell us why what we have done so far does not seem to work. White people are evil is not an acceptable answer. Why? because if all we get is continuous cry’s of “racist” then at some point the only logical thing to do is cut your losses. Especially since a GREAT deal of Blacks are commenting every day on online media on how they are going to kill Whites. If what we’ve done already is “not enough” then just what will be “enough”? How much will it cost? What will Whites have to do to keep Blacks from robbing, raping and killing Whites? These are serious questions and if you’re going to convince anyone that immigration to White countries from countries that are not White is good idea then screaming diversity and sticking your fingers in your ears when they ask why is hardly in the manner of “Western Civilization”. If we can’t discuss things in the manner that made “Western Civilization” great then just what advantage should the people in “Western Civilization” expect of those that reject open discussion of ideas which a major cornerstone of “Western Civilization”?

  3. This is good I guess. Anti-Hereditarian is actually a very good writer. Even though I disagree with almost everything he says it’s nice to have new people join the club.

    I just hope to god Swank doesn’t get promoted. He lies and always back tracks and never answers direct questions. Do you have the power to ban people Anti-Hereditarian or is that right only reserved for our lord and savior Robert Lindsay?

    • Afrosapiens

      No I don’t ban people, I don’t have that authorization.

    • Afrosapiens

      “Even though I disagree with almost everything he says”

      It sounds bad to me as a debuting lawyer who has been trained for convincing people and evaluating evidences within an (almost) fixed set of rules…

      • swank

        the translation: “he is not mean to me.”

        • Afrosapiens

          lol yes, you know when I read some hardcore hbders I happen to have a compassionate feeling about them, just thinking “poor guy, I would hate to be you” so it makes it harder to be mean.

        • swank

          yes but being polite ive found just lends legitimacy to something that isn’t legitimate. it’s tarot cards and psychics and treating it like anything but isn’t necessary IMHO. but YMMV.

        • Afrosapiens is probably supposed to be more polite to commenters than you are as an ordinary commenter, swank. Unfortunately, we prefer authors to operate on somewhat different level than ordinary commenters. So while Afrosapiens was free to act one way when he was a commenter, he is now sort of required to act in a more professional manner as an author. This isn’t much of a restriction, we just prefer that guest authors take the high road most of the time when debating commenters.

          You commenters are under no real restrictions at all except you can’t advocate certain rightwing memes and positions. This is a socialist blog, so I think that is ok. I don’t really censor any Left positions here though. I will even allow Left crazies to come here I guess. We allow Afrocentrists to come on here and bash Whites. As you are a liberal swank, I do not think you will be advocating any rightwing positions soon.

          One more thing: You might want to be careful though. We are very democratic here and Alpha and I are mostly only allowed to ban commenters who violate strict rules, and Alpha often overrules me! Mostly we have to both agree on the ban. She runs this site more than you think. What this means is that there are commenter who I absolutely despise but I cannot throw them off because they are not violating any rules. That’s how democratic we are here. I even limit my own self.

          However! Since we are democratic, we have decided that the commenters themselves can vote people off the board. I am not going to tell you how many commenters need to vote someone off the board, but it tends to be a certain number. So if you or anyone else piles up enough haters on here, you can be voted off the commenters. This may seem sort of weird, but it’s my way of allowing to the commenters to sort of “own” this space democratically.

        • Swank writes “hunter gatherers were taller, ate better, had more leisure time, and lived longer than “civilized peoples” until very recently. there’s even evidence that warfare did not precede civilization.”

          Ok what about the Egyptians, you’re telling me that they were looking at hunter gatherers with envy? PFFFFFT

        • swank

          i don’t know if they were or not. what I do know is that HGs fared better on those indicators until recent history.

          Robert:

          i don’t think my comments are Afrocentric. i rely on evidence and mainstream science for my views. the attitude is just pepper on the dish.

          but if I gather a lot of haters and “downvotes” for pointing out facts and not entertaining prejudice that masquerades as science….that is the price to pay I suppose.

        • Afrosapiens

          Robert, can I get a veto right over a ban action against swank ?

        • Swank is probably not going to get banned anyway. Alpha and I can veto when commenters want someone thrown off the board. We have to think they are screwing up too.

        • You are not an Afrocentrist. Do you know the lunatic Black Afrocentrist nutcases that I refer to? That’s not you.

          I mean if you drive off 80-90% of commenters, I might consider a ban, but I doubt if that will happen. We have had some people who drove off almost all other commenters, but they were acting really terrible, not like you at all. You are being very good.

    • swank

      i’ve never backtracked, and when you ask irrelevant questions, they don’t require an answer. your reaction to me citing a paper by geneticist Alan Templeton on human race is typical.

      the difference is that i don’t feel the need to be congenial to astrology-spouters; AH actually is very polite.

  4. Jason Y

    Some of these interesting facts would make good reading on Stormfront. Good answers to comments you hear on there like “IQ is 80 percent genetic” etc.. Of course, though as always, they will have a comeback.

  5. Lion of the Judah-sphere

    Cool, yet another black guy into discussing HBD (I’m African-American)! Although I think our view points about the topic will be totally different in most respects, it’s interesting to see someone of color at least have awareness of the issues.

    PS I’m trying to learn French right now (I’m enrolling in an online class next month). I’m hoping someday my French can be good as your English (it’s very good for someone speaking a second-language!)

    • Afrosapiens

      And as an African-American, what are your main positions about race and intelligence ?

      French is a very hard language compared to English, I hope you will make your way through this real gramatical, orthographic and phonological maze.

      • Lion of the Judah-sphere

        My views are developed from real-world experience, reading blogs like this one, and reading books like the G-Factor written by Arthur Jensen written for lay audiences. I have no academic background in psychometric or behavioral genetics research, so that probably impacts understanding of the topics. Most of my views aren’t that radical for the HBD-sphere, but I do differ in some regards.

        My views are as follows:
        1. Racial differences in intelligence are largely genetic in nature. The brain is a physical organ like a lung or kidney, so this shouldn’t be surprising. Different aspects of the brain, like size, density, amount of white matter, neural efficiency, connectivity, etc. are all highly genetic in nature so I expect IQ to be also (which I also believe is just a measure of overall brain health). Elementary cognitive tests like reaction time tests prove that IQ tests are testing something inherent in the brain, not something that’s the result of culture

        There are also significant differences in intelligence between social classes and between different populations within the same racial group. I saw a study showing that southern Japanese score about 5 points lower than their northern counterparts. A Stanford Fellow by the name of Chanda Chisala recently wrote about the Nigerian Igbo in England and their strong performance in academics there. This doesn’t contradict that racial differences exist. It’s possible that intra-racial (sub-population) differences are probably as big as inter-racial differences
        Most environmental explanations for racial differences in outcomes are pretty much silly and stupid in my opinion, and a product of modern European society’s obsession with egalitarianism, and minorities trying to find excuses for their failures. On the one hand, modern Western/European societies are obsessed with intelligence, but on the other hand, they want to believe everyone is equal, so they develop convoluted explanations for why some groups are obviously stupid (blacks, Gypsies, Aborigines, some Indian castes, Native Americans) and others aren’t.
        Granted, really extreme forms of deprivation, like severe malnutrition or severe infections in childhood, may have lasting impacts on IQ, since they obviously impact height of those from 3rd world countries. I believe maybe even very severe forms of physical/sexual abuse may have lasting impacts on the brain, though I’m skeptical.
        I’ve had experiences in ghettos in America (not that I grew up in one myself), and most black dysfunction is a result of the extreme levels of violence and criminality that occur in these places (on top of a general lack of trust). Which is funny, because most black people are pretty nice when you initially meet them, but they can get angry fast for almost no reason. If black violence disappeared, then it wouldn’t even matter that much if they sucked in schools or if their communities looked shitty; much of the hatred towards blacks from other racial groups is a result of their criminality.
        Which leads me to my next point: Although some writers believe that most variations in criminality are explained by differences in IQ, I believe black populations have other contributing factors that cause their high crime rates. Other crime rates of other racial groups like Hispanic and Asians can be explained in terms of their IQ.

        I have more coming, mostly this is just me ranting…

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          Aww man, my formatting got messed up.

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          What I always like to tell people is that most people regardless of race are pretty stupid. Most people are also selfish. I guess I’m a bit of a misanthrope. But the fact of the matter is that disproportionately, some of the suckiest people come from the black race, in terms of criminal behavior and poor school performance and maintaining strong communities.

          If all blacks were genocided tomorrow, we would miss out on a lot of entertainment and sports, but civilization could still go on. I don’t think the same could be said if all whites or Asians were genocided.

          I say this not out of self-hatred, but just looking at the facts. Few blacks are qualified for the technical and leadership positions that are most needed to maintain civilizations. Most people regardless of race aren’t qualified, but the number of blacks that are capable of leading or even maintaining civilization are very small. Black societies always revert back to Africa. Even decent black societies, like the 3 Bs (Bermuda, Bahamas, Barbados) are highly dependent on white society or other cultures for survival.

        • Afrosapiens

          OK, I won’t comment on what you said here, I have other positions and my reality of race and inequalities is 100% explained without genetic arguments. But since I’m an author I will gradually develop them in my posts.

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          I think the future of HBD research will be into personality and behavioral differences between races. HBD Chick and Jayman are leading the way in research into clannishness, and how this varies significantly between different societies. Scientists like Richard Nisbett and Jonathan Haidt have also written about deeply embedded differences between different ethnic and racial differences in terms of personality, behavior, and cognitive processing. I want to see more integration between psychometric and behavioral economics and game theory also. To me this is more interesting than IQ, because IQ is only one (but important) piece of the puzzle.

        • Afrosapiens

          My post on crystallized intelligence is out by the way.

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          Afrosapien, we need more black people talking about HBD, or at least acknowledging it, because sticking our head in the sand isn’t gonna make it go away. If we want solutions to problems in the world, we need to at least acknowledge the role of genetics. Most so-called black scholars are too stupid or ignorant to even acknowledge genetics, because they have lower average IQs and were trained in the methods of the humanities or behavioral sciences which are more dependent on subjective feelings and creating narratives that make people feel good than cold, hard data. Only a few smart black people, like yourself and Roland Fryer, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams (I’ve emailed him personally about his thoughts on the role of genetics in African achievement) even acknowledge the possible role of genetics, even if you ultimately deny the role genetics in intelligence. It’s scary that people like Ta-Nehisi Coates are considered “leading black scholars”.

          On the flip side, many of the whites attracted to HBD are just hardcore racists who aren’t approaching the topic dispassionately, but rather through a lens of hatred and bias. That doesn’t mean their work isn’t credible, but everything they say needs to be looked at critically. Their anger is somewhat understandable given the mainstream narrative on race (all white men are EVIL!), but we need more dispassionate scholars studying this topic, not Stromfronters.

        • Afrosapiens

          In my opinion, the belief in genetics to explain black problems comes from an ill perception of the reality.

          Not all the black communities have the same issues, nor do they have it in the same amount, nor are these issues restricted to them in current days or across history. This first observation makes it impossible for me to argue for a genetic cause.

          Also, once you get convinced by a theory, do you try to test it, challenge it and comfront it to the most accurate reality that you can percieve or do you take it as face value as long as it seems about coherent inspite of the absence of any direct proof ? Or do you proceed in the other way, get seduced by a theory and seek for evidence to reinforce it ?

          I do a lot to convince myself of the genetic inequality of human “races” and I always failed to find satisfying evidence.

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          Ok, I’m checking out your latest post right now.

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          Also, once you get convinced by a theory, do you try to test it, challenge it and comfront it to the most accurate reality that you can percieve or do you take it as face value as long as it seems about coherent inspite of the absence of any direct proof ? Or do you proceed in the other way, get seduced by a theory and seek for evidence to reinforce it ?

          I like this statement a lot because I think this is the whole basis of scientific and rational thinking. Skepticism is necessary for rational thinking, which I think is pinnacle of all forms of human thought. One must look at both sides of the argument (or even more sides, if they exist), not just look at the side that agrees with one’s own preconceived notions. Not many people are capable of doing this.

          Over the years, I feel like I’ve wrestled all of the hereditarian and anti-hereditarian viewpoints on racial differences, and the anti-hereditarian arguments have always seemed the least satisfactory to me. Once one accepts that humans lack free will, and that we are merely agents acting out scripts programmed by our genes, the hereditarian argument makes a lot sense. Of course one can reject free will and be an environmental determinist instead of a genetic one, but no study or theory or hypothesis I’ve ever seen has satisfactorily explained racial differences using environmental causes. If environments mattered so much, then genes that impact behavior couldn’t have been selected for, because environments would change so much from generation to generation that natural selection wouldn’t work. But there’s studies that show specific selection for genes over time like Monoamine oxidase A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A); that these genes show certain geographic patterns that imply that natural selection must have been at work to create such patterns.

          I think there’s several schools of “environmentalism”:

          Childhood development/behaviorism/psychoanalysis/Freudian: Childhood experience makes you a bad or good person.
          Anti-colonialism/anti-racism/some anti-imperial schools of Marxism and postmodernism: evil white people/dominant social groups cause people to be good or bad.
          Classic Marxism: Structural inequalities between capitalists and workers prevent workers from ever being successful
          Public health: Differences in exposure to doctors, good sanitation, etc. causes differences in behavior
          Social/religious conservatives: Minorities need to end their culture of failure and pull themselves up by their bootstraps
          Mainstream educational psychology: Some children need better schools to succeed.

          I’m sure there some schools I’m leaving, but I find all of those pretty absurd to some degree or another. I think the public health argument has some plausibility for 3rd world countries.

          My point is that I’ve looked at different view points, and the HBD argument has the most validity for explaining differences between races.

        • Afrosapiens

          I think there are enough demonstrated proofs originating from each environmental school. Also, remember that groups are not monoliths but millions of individuals each variably affected by a variety of factors. For instance, some blacks are really handicaped by internalized racism but most are only moderately affected while others are not at all but suffer from having no father whereas some others do perfectly well without it. Then the big picture is influenced by the amount of negative factors that may affect members of a group

          Any theory that presents itself as the single most relevant in explaining all this complexity is dogmatic by nature.

          Also just to say, I’m a lawyer so I know how our little intellectually vicious world plays with evidences and with the way to present them to an audience. When I told Robert about keeping standards of intellectual quality in my comments, I did it because I kind of know how to turn many people’s mind around and I don’t get fooled by other’s flawed attempts.

        • swank

          consider that all of this discussion and pontification about “the field” may be angels on the head of a pin:

          “to date, not a single polymorphism has been reliably associated with any psychiatric disorders nor any aspect of human behavior within the “normal” range (e.g., differences in “intelligence”).”
          http://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/still-chasing-ghosts-a-new-genetic-methodology-will-not-find-the-missing-heritability/

          “Reproducibility is one of the main principles of the scientific method.”
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducibility

          here is what robert plomin, one of the leading BG guys who also uncoincidentally has ties to eugenics organizations and is insistent on not abandoning an additive independent effect model (which is convenient for eugenics), takes from these facts:
          “t would be useful to administer genetic tests to children to identify those with verbal learning disabilities and other cognitive disorders. He has further suggested that this type of testing occur before a child enters school in order to intervene appropriately prior to enrollment.”

          “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

        • Holy shit lion, you summarized my beliefs 100%. Its a perfect 1 to 1 representation of my views. Especially about the racist parts, HBD gets a bad name when people from stromfront get their hands on this info. They’re retarded anyways though.

        • It’s crazy if you think about. South Africa has Black Economic Empowerment which is a program created by the government to practice affirmative action towards blacks. Even though blacks are 85% or more of the population. This has caused a lot of white south Africans to become homeless, granted the majority of the wealth is still held by white south Africans.

          So what did the poor white people do? They bought private property and created a small nation with whites only. Sam might be smiling right now. Anyways they have their own economy, their own currency! It’s like a ghetto for whites but it’s actually functional. Chinese ghetto’s are functional, white ghetto’s are functional. And yet black ghetto’s aren’t, why? Like I said people create culture not the other way around.

        • swank

          not sure what’s absurd about the class explanation.

          all iq gaps around the world that have closed, have closed when the groups in question gained political, social, and economic parity.

          if iq tests test prior acquired knowledge then by design some groups will score lower than others.

          native Americans, redlegs, and U.S. Blacks share similar iq and behavioral outcomes, despite hailing from three different races. All have a cultural and economic history of deprivation in common.

          several factors separating the groups above have been empirically shown to affect iq. not a single gene has been found, so….

        • Let’s just use common sense here. Swank what do you think would happen if all whites and Asians disappeared? This is good news right Swank? All the evil oppressors were to just disappear, what would happen? Do you think civilization would just keep on going. Would the standard of living be the same? Answer this honestly swank, haha I know you wont.

        • Afrosapiens

          “Like I said people create culture not the other way around.”

          Talking about people, have you ever been interested in studying the quantitative instead of the qualitative aspect.

          Things like historical demography, age structure.

          You know that in pre-industrialized times, civilization required a lot of human capital in a limited space due to non-motorized transportation to be able to find a sufficient amount of brilliant minds and a sufficient labor force to sustain them and turn their abstract plans in factual realities.

          Have you ever wondered why civilization emerged in crowded places?
          Do you know how does a place become crowded?
          Do you know which places in the world are crowded?
          Do you question the Inuits’ intelligence?
          Do you question the Maoris’ intelligence?
          Do you question Native North Americans’ intelligence?
          Do you question the Native Argentines’ intelligence?
          Do you think that relative to others, Africans had an equal, a better or a worse natural environment to develop a civilization and a culture to sustain?

          One day I would appreciate to have an HBDer’s view on what is the climate in tropical Africa, how it feels to get malaria, to grow food there.

          You know, when you don’t understand something, the problem is your own ignorance and not the other’s stupidity.

        • swank

          it’s not about whites and Asians clearly if the Redlegs are in a place with a black majority.

          and the problem with the question you asked, as usual, is that the answer you’re looking for wouldn’t harm my point at all.

        • swank

          exactly right. the best available evidence suggests that favorable and specific environmental conditions drive the creation of civilization.

          and i repeat, civilization only became a better bet than hunter-gatherer society in the last 200 years.

        • swank

          “You know, when you don’t understand something, the problem is your own ignorance and not the other’s stupidity.”

          exactly. this is why my points are misstated and misinterpreted constantly. and arrogantly so.

        • Swank writes…”and i repeat, civilization only became a better bet than hunter-gatherer society in the last 200 years.”

          You should tell the Chinese that they’ve been making a mistake for over 3,000 years.

        • Lion of the Judah-sphere

          You should tell the Chinese that they’ve been making a mistake for over 3,000 years.

          Hahaha…touché

        • swank

          and everyone else.

          hunter gatherers were taller, ate better, had more leisure time, and lived longer than “civilized peoples” until very recently. there’s even evidence that warfare did not precede civilization.

        • swank

          it’s called “Paleolithic warlessness”
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare#Paleolithic

          so various groups of people kept pulling the slot machine lever until finally they hit the jackpot. all the technological and mathematical precursors to the IR had been in existence for millennia. a specific cultural climate allowed for the IR.

          now the gambler wants to pretend as though this way was always superior and that it always represented the correct way to do things. and like the Romans regarded the ancient British, does this civilization regard its less fortunate and other peoples. moreover, it must find ways to justify the inequity. in the Middle Ages it was divine blood. now it’s “genes.”

        • Afrosapiens

          The Chinese have much more than 3000 years of civilization behind them but look at the state of China today.

          You can blame communism but Taiwan for instance is not doing that fine with capitalism, they’re OK but their level of development is only in southern European range, same goes for South Korea and it’s almost true for Japan.

          And even in communism, Cuba, East Germany or the USSR did better than North Korea and Communist China.

          How can that happen with genetic arguments ?

        • tulio

          “So what did the poor white people do? They bought private property and created a small nation with whites only. Sam might be smiling right now. Anyways they have their own economy, their own currency! It’s like a ghetto for whites but it’s actually functional. Chinese ghetto’s are functional, white ghetto’s are functional. And yet black ghetto’s aren’t, why?”

          @Tangy Butthole

          That white community in South Africa you speak of would be more analogous to what Tulsa was for black people? There’s no comparison of ghetto black people to any white people because black people endured hundreds of years of systematic oppression and had their culture and identity stripped away from them. No such thing has happened to whites. It’s not a fair comparison.

        • tulio

          Just saw the video on Orania. That is crazy. What I don’t understand is if they are so segregationist, why don’t they just return to Europe? I mean imagine the reverse, to see a group of blacks go to Europe, they hate the whites and hate the fact that they live in a majority white country, then build up a wall around themselves to keep whites out. Why wouldn’t such blacks just go live in Africa if that’s how they feel?

        • swank

          actually tulio, the white Redlegs in Barbados come close. and they are, by any indicator, dumber than the black majority.

          native Americans also approximate US blacks in IQ and criminality.

          all the races of man seem to respond in the same way to a certain cultural and environmental history.

          it’s laughable when people compare a nation like Japan’s short term progress with an arbitrarily carved up African country where multiple antagonistic ethnic groups occupy the same borders.

        • Tulio writes ” What I don’t understand is if they are so segregationist, why don’t they just return to Europe? ”

          I actually researched and it turns out that the European governments won’t take them at all. But Europeans will take in people from Pakistan and India. It’s so bizarre.

          There have actually been petitions that called for your idea Tulio but I don’t think any of them have been successful.

          http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/petition-calls-for-right-of-return-for-white-south-africans-to-europe/

          But then again I guess it would be weird, they’re genetically from the Netherlands but they’ve been separated for so long that they have their own culture and it’s tied to South Africa. It’s their home now just like America is home to Mexicans or Blacks or Japanese.

          I think that Europeans would prefer the Afrikaner immigrants to South Asian or Muslim immigrants though.

        • tulio

          It said that the Oranians have ambitions to form their own country one day. Isn’t it just a grand irony that the world’s first de jure whites-only country would be deep in fucking Africa? Lol.

        • Swank writes ” native Americans also approximate US blacks in IQ and criminality.”

          No that’s wrong. Native Americans has similar IQ to American Blacks but their violent crime rate is 2.5 times higher than the white average with blacks it’s 8.

        • Tulio writes “Isn’t it just a grand irony that the world’s first de jure whites-only country would be deep in fucking Africa? Lol.”

          Yeah. They should have just gotten a small island off the coast and just lived there. I don’t think they’ll ever get their wish of getting their own nation.

        • I mean look at this! The Afrikaners have so many options.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Uninhabited_islands_of_South_Africa

          I don’t like the idea of taking land from the South Africans. Actually now that I’m thinking about I wonder if the Khoisan hate the Zulu for taking their land. Because before the whites and the blacks came, the land belonged to the Khoisan. They’re like the native Americans of South Africa lol.

        • swank

          now, those are victimization rates. the problem with the official stats is that no representative study across the reservations has been done. but with victimization rates like that and extremely lax law enforcement on the reservations, the true rate of crime is likely much higher.

          note that 1) NA are more likely to suffer violence at the hands of a stranger and 2) NA victims are more likely to report an attacker from another race; that race, most often, is white btw.

          also…
          “Scholars suggest that historically, physical and sexual violence in Native American communities was rare in Pre-Colonial society. Traditional gender roles advocated co-dependence, where women’s contributions were honored and respected and where violence against Native women was heavily punished by Native justice systems.[35]”

    • Erik Sieven

      somewhere down in the comment sector you have written that you think IQ is an important aspect of HBD but thats other factors like for example differences concerning the personality. This is an important point I guess. And also up to today I am not really convinced that the races do actually have an different – genetic – IQ. I am very convinced that IQ differences with big populations are genetic, but between races I am not sure. Yet I am certain that the races differ on average when it comes to physical strength, aggression and such things. Regarding those aspects people of West African ancestry seem to be rather on the lucky side. In this way HBD has good consequences for black people in western countries. In mixed-races societies they are on average rather those beat someone up and not those who get beaten up and they are rather those who have success with women from the other races than the other way round. All in all I guess life satisfaction is higher for black people in western countries than for other people. Of course they tend to have lower average incomes. But I think that feeling-good differential between getting hit in the face and hitting the face and between getting a lot of women or not to do so is much bigger than feeling-good differential between have a five figure or a six figure income.

  6. Santoculto

    Neanderthal heritage and vaccines reactions, lol!!

  7. Jason Y

    True, but first we must keep in mind that there is always a lot of irrationality in folk beliefs about society and politics. I mean at every end of the spectrum and among the moderates, interests and feelings often take over true facts.

    What’s amazing with the Afrikaners and the Rednecks is how mediocre they stay after years of institutionalized privilege. They would have been better if they had to compete in a fair game in which they already advantages compared to the blacks.

    Now about their feeling of persecution, I think it’s increased by their acknowledgement of how much harm they have done and their experience of human right violation as perpetrators gives them a clear idea of what life could be as a victim.

    Interesting. It seems a lot of these rednecks are playing the “redneck card” much as blacks play the “race card”

    In other words, rather than seeking education or some other self-improvement, they want to claim victim status. Of course, anyone critcizing their “victim status” is a anti-white, race traitor, brown-nose, sell-out to the liberal establishment etc.. 😆

    So much time wasted with their self-pity. The same amount of time spent in a school might yield a PHD, or the same amount of time working might be enough for a biz startup.

    • Jason Y

      Of course this is true primarily in the US. In South Africa, the whites might have a real reason to feel persecuted, but nonetheless, a lot of it is “pay back” for aparthied. It’s kind of a “reap what you sow” kind of thing.

      Actually, to a lesser extend, white people reaped what they sown in the US. For instance in Jim Crow days, much as under aparthied or under some right wing regime in El Salvador, the ruling group wanted to keep the subordinates “in their place, denying them means to advancement.

    • Jason Y

      Perhaps even though a lot of rednecks are doing well economically, but they whine 24/7 on facebook about being a “white victim”. It’s quite annoying, hypocritical, and really, honestly, very weak.

    • Jason Y

      My own experience with rednecks, the hard-core variety, not the pussy type, is their very racist, vulgar, rude, hateful etc.. Being around them almost always leads to a fight, hence people have to stay away from them, much as they do ghetto blacks.

      • Afrosapiens

        Sam is one of them. We don’t have this kind of people in Europe (in France a least) we have some simple and kind minded working class people with no sociopathic and psychotic tendencies.

        • Jason Y

          Some liberals can be quite sociopathic also. Many have a chip on their shoulder. They became quite aggressive during the W. Bush years, trying to start unprovoked fights with people.

        • Jason Y

          I can handle insults on a blog, but in person such “cocking off” will lead to either a fight or flight. In other words, in person, it becomes much more serious as it’s incredibly disrespectful. In some instances, it can be ignored, but it’s tough to do.

        • Afrosapiens

          The web is the most evil place on earth, our most vicious fellow commenters would not be so assertive in real life.

        • Jason Y

          The web is the most evil place on earth, our most vicious fellow commenters would not be so assertive in real life.

          Not so sure about that. Iv’e met people just as harsh at university and on the workplace.

        • Jason Y

          Insults in real life are worse than on the web cause your not expecting them. Your caught off guard and say “What did you say?”, “Excuse me?” 😆

          It’s also harder to make comebacks, cause you don’t have time. In real life, unless your very witty, usually comebacks will backfire. Like if you said, “Ill meet you anywhere, anyplace.” An attacker could say “Ooooo I’m scared.” 😆 or they could say “What? For a blowjob?” 😆

          So usually I would just ignore punk SOBs trying to start something or get away from them. Last resort, beat them up. Said “I’ll pretend I didn’t hear that” to two women university students insulting me.

  8. Jason Y

    This has caused a lot of white south Africans to become homeless, granted the majority of the wealth is still held by white south Africans.

    If whites control most of the land, then eventually it will be taken, unless they control the government..

    So what did the poor white people do? They bought private property and created a small nation with whites only. Sam might be smiling right now. Anyways they have their own economy, their own currency! It’s like a ghetto for whites but it’s actually functional.

    Whites in the south USA did the same by sending kids to private schools rather than integrating.

    BTW: South Africa is a lost cause. Whites are not going to get respect being a minority there, much as US blacks can’t do the same as an American minority.

  9. Panda@War

    “The Chinese have much more than 3000 years of civilization behind them but look at the state of China today.

    You can blame communism but Taiwan for instance is not doing that fine with capitalism, they’re OK but their level of development is only in southern European range, same goes for South Korea and it’s almost true for Japan.

    And even in communism, Cuba, East Germany or the USSR did better than North Korea and Communist China.

    How can that happen with genetic arguments ?”

    (Afrosapiens, August 2, 2015 at 3:07 PM)

    Panda is struggling to find any of above statements true… Afrosapiens, which planet you’re from?

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