The 115 IQ Person: A View of the Type

Alfredo writes:

I also have a 147 IQ and I do think that some people with 115 IQ’s I can communicate quite effectively. Yet, I know someone who has a 128 IQ and I think his brain is not connected correctly. Great article!

Yes, I have had friends and lovers with IQ’s around that range. Although the theory supposedly states that decent communication is not possible when you have 30 IQ points difference, I do not believe that is correct. However, once you get to 45 IQ points and especially 60 IQ points, communication starts running into some serious roadblocks, and I often find myself frustrated in relationships with these people.

The 115 IQ Type

I could communicate well with all of the 115 IQ types that I have known, but with some of them I had to explain things fairly often. With others, I didn’t have to do a lot of explaining. These 115 IQ types always shocked me with their occasional brilliance and even genius. I was surprised because honestly I assume most people are morons and expect nothing of them, so when someone says or writes something very perceptive and bright, and they don’t have an extremely high IQ, I am always taken aback.

But these types take me aback quite a bit. It is an interesting IQ range. They are just close enough to average to get along well with mainstream society without seeming like the freaks that the commenter and I appear to be, yet at the same times, they are bright enough to converse with us folks.

What is funny is that people in this range often do not think they are very smart.

Some people in this range have stunning psychological skills in analyzing other people, often to perfection. They are like little psychologists who can look right into your mind and figure it all out.

Psychological problems are not uncommon, especially anxiety disorders and mood disorders. Depression is common, as are the more complex anxiety disorders. However, these types understand psychology very well, and they often diagnose exactly what is going on with themselves. They often seek help for their problems via psychiatrists who usually give them anti-anxiety drugs or antidepressants. Quite a few are in therapy, and they do very well there.

They also catch on pretty quickly, and they are very interested in new ideas or brilliant or ingenious ways of looking at the world. A lot of them are quite funny too.

Psychologically, they are often “complex” or “complicated,” and they often describe themselves this way, especially the women. They often say, “I live in a dream world. I live for my dreams.” Many of these types are surprisingly creative, and some are brilliant artists.

A 115 IQ is absolutely enough to graduate from college, and most of them do. Is it enough to get an advanced degree? I would say that it is enough to get a Master’s Degree, but at that range, getting a PhD might be a challenge, and at the very least, they would have to work very hard for it.

Incidentally, two of the brightest commenters on my blog had IQ’s of 113 and 117. The 117 IQ guy was fantastic at philosophy and other forms of abstract thinking. The other fellow was into genetics and anthropology, but he thought in much the same way. A few of these types are so bright that you almost think that their score is wrong. I am not sure what is going on except maybe they are working their brains extra hard, or they have filled their brains up with all sorts of goodies.

With regard to the fellow with the 128 IQ slow guy, my father had a 129 IQ and in most respects, he was a very bright man. He was a better reader than I am. At the end of his life, he was reading a book a day.

However, one peculiar thing about him was that he was rather concretist in his thinking sometimes, and he could not seem to branch out into the higher realms of abstract thought. There were more than a few times when I tried to explain some abstract concept to him, and he just couldn’t get it. He kept pounding his fist on the table and emphasizing some stupid concretist way of looking at the concept.

Granted these were tough concepts, and the concretist way of thinking seemed intuitively correct for most of these concepts, but of course it was wrong. The concretist view was usually something like, “What a stupid idea! This means nothing at all! Dumbest idea I’ve ever heard! It makes no sense! Completely irrational!” You had to stretch your brain quite a bit to figure out why the abstract view of the situation was actually the correct one and that the idea indeed had some merit.

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28 responses to “The 115 IQ Person: A View of the Type

  1. Kelly Ba.....

    I am a 122. Nothing spectacular. Analyze that please. Do you ever do any personality profiles…MBTI, Enneagram analysis? I came to your site because I love reading about bigfoot, but IQ and personalities intrigue me

    • No I do not know those personality types well, even though I work in mental health.

    • big g

      In my opinion a human with 122 isin the range of iQ where everything is done right. Social skills and intelligence are balanced. Smarter people can imagine better things but lack the social skills to gain help to achieve it.

      • Rahul

        Exactly. A 122 IQ man with good social skills can be far more entertaining than a high IQ nerd. But any society will need those high IQ “nerds” at some point of time. Robert is an exception though he’s one with a high IQ and is thoroughly entertaining as well, which is a gift I suppose.

  2. kevin

    When taking an IQ test,there are alot of factors involved.Pain meds, emotional stress,PAIN etc, thay all can have an effect on the results.As we get older our IQ diminishes.So if you had your IQ tested when you were young, then in your older years you are not the genius you thought you were.

  3. I usually find it tough to be friends with ~115. One of my oldest friends is likely around there, but I don’t feel quite as close to him as a others. Sharing hobbies is a good friend-maker, but if there is still a large IQ gap, conversation can be awkward.

    As others have said, there are some limitations to IQ. I would estimate that my best friend growing up had an average IQ, yet he had some quirks that made for a great friendship. He was obsessive, non-dogmatic, deep-thinking: a few things you often see with high IQs. What he maybe lacked in creativity and/or reason, he made up for in effort and knowledge.

    It’s like…if you can’t figure out a problem but can read the answer and understand it, you can still be friends with someone who can figure it out on his own. Low IQs are often boring to high because they don’t offer any valuable ideas, but it can happen.

  4. Matt

    There are distinct components of performance on IQ tests, right? One could have very high verbal intelligence, but very low quantitative or analytical intelligence. I realize this goes against the idea of “g” which is central to this whole area of study (and pretty well supported in most instances), and I am sure it is probably rare or anomalous, but I don’t think it is impossible. There is actually a genetic condition where the sufferers have astounding verbal and linguistic fluidity, but are so quantitatively and analytically retarded as to be unable to function in daily life. I forget what it is called. So perhaps these individuals you refer to are those rare people who have verbal intelligence that allows them to follow verbal arguments and ideas at a level that belies their assigned IQ score.

  5. Rahul

    Good Post Robert. Sure, there has to be a difference between speaking to person with whom you have a 30 IQ Points Difference than with some with a difference of 60 Points. It saves a lot of your time in reasoning them, which might even be beyond their grasp. Is there any chance that your IQ and cognitive abilities suffers a blow, when you’re made to constantly interact with people way below your level over a long term. You’d obviously have to dumb down to their level. So is there any real possibility of that case?

  6. Jason Y

    IQ is no predictor of morality. I have a high IQ, yet my penis talks a lot of the time😆 So much money gone to porn and prostitutes. If I ever became rich, my downfall due to sex is a real threat. Money talks? So does the sex drive. Also I go into rages despite a high IQ.

    Finally, a lot of this stuff is an attempt white or Asian nationalists to FEEL SUPERIOR. They need SCIENTIFIC BACKING for thier nonsense, and IQ science gives them fuel for the fire.

    Ultimately, the stuff that puts people ahead in life is just stuff you’d learn at a church. Stuff like, controlling animal urges, being nice to people, saving money, helping out people, being kind to animals etc..

    In fact, a lot of people with a high IQ are total scumbags, at least from a church POV. They have lots of money, and they do the most so called “SINFUL” things imaginable, simply cause they have the cash to fund it.

    Imagine all the sexual deviancy, drugs and whatnot one could do with a large bankroll. So is money the root of evil? Sort of. 😆

    • Jason Y

      Another friend of mine I have, very smart, and even a deep thinker. Knows a lot about theology, psychology etc.. Hasn’t GOT SHIT. because he’s lazy, he’s a sex addict, an alcoholic, and he always lives for the moment. Never works toward the future. SO he sits around on government aid, and year after year, nothing changes.

      One time this guy got an inheritance, and as you would expect, he threw it all away on “thrill of the moment” stuff. Also, he went to college, as expected he partied the short time he was there, and ultimately dropped out. Also he was kicked out of the armed forces (during basic training) for being a bad soldier.

      So IQ didn’t help this dude. He has another problem. Has more to do with “church values” than IQ.

      Now I don’t want to bash him completely. He does work out a lot and is very muscular, but only if he tried harder in other areas of his life.

  7. snickerdoodler

    I’ve been clocked at 140 and it sucks, I don’t have Aspergers but it makes me socially awkward because a lot of my conversation and jokes are peppered with cultural references I think everybody should know, but a lot of times, like at a party, I will shout out something like “I’ll bet Goebbels might take issue with that” and I’ll get crickets and bewildered looks except from 1 guy who will chuckle because he got my obscure comment, and everybody will look at him in amazement, thinking, do you actually know what this fool is talking about? Which eventually leads to them abandoning me except the guy who got my joke and we will start up a conversation and realize we are both nerds who never get laid. Other people’s jokes I usually find too obvious and banal. I always win at trivia games, and I am constantly catching people getting their facts wrong but I let them go on in a conversation because too many times I have gotten into major arguments over details which usually leads to me sheepishly admitting I was right all along. I have a lot of great ideas for business but I always over think things and end up talking myself out of it. I am a lawyer and I work just enough to get by which is very little. I have little motivation except for golf and I think most people are dumb. Life sucks.

  8. Jason Y

    Also, people hate the high IQ, mocking them, saying they suck 😆 It happens all the time in school. People are constantly jealous of the high IQ, and think they’re arrogant. People hated me at this local community college simply cause I’m a math major, or because I ask too many quesitons in class or whatever.

    Notice, once i majored in education, and the other students were very nice to me. No resentment at all. I guess people think those who major in math are cocksuckers, not “a brother” so to speak.

  9. Jason Y

    It’s funny that Nazis are obssessed with high IQ. In reality, skinheads would BEAT UP a dreamy high IQ person, calling him a FAGGOT. 😆 Think about it.

  10. Sam

    A problem with intellectuals,

    “Opium of the Intellectuals” Raymond Aron

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Opium-Intellectuals-Raymond-Aron/dp/0765807009

    and a link. Click on
    “Libgen.in” at bottom to download. Mirrors are to the right.

    http://libgen.in/book/index.php?md5=469283d2667af7db4450993dec160402

  11. Jason Y

    A problem with intellectuals,

    “Opium of the Intellectuals” Raymond Aron

    If your some poor person in the third world, say India where mining companies are taking your land, or Colombia, where farming companies are taking your land, your not concerned with the deeper aspect of Marxism. The deep things seem to appeal to middle class Americans, who generally support right wing movements.

    • Jason Y

      If a non-Marxist goverment is so great, then from the POV of some poor third world farmer, then what do I have to gain from it? We see such right wing government are of NO benefit to the poor. They keep them in their PLACE much as in pre-1950s USA south or in present day India.

      • Sam

        “…non-Marxist goverment is so great…”

        Not true. The government of the US is non-Marxist and it sucks. Intellectuals believe that since Marxism is a planned economy that they will be the ones running it. Psychopaths or other super aggressive types will run it though. Same as our autocratic monopolistic capitalism.

  12. You just described me. Well, if my scores in IQ performance reach 115, which I doubt. However, I think I’m much more creative and wise. I do not have a great intelligence, but I use it correctly, rational and systematic. Unfortunately, my very high moral sense, stifles my ability to adequately adapt to society of criminals and stupid, which is outlined in this great country of the south.

  13. P.S. I would like to have this comment deleted ASAP.

  14. julie

    Interesting article. I have often thought that IQ level is a quality, not just a number, and I once guessed the IQ accurately to one point of somebody I was chatting to online just from a few exchanged emails. He had an IQ of 171 and had to do specialised tests, and worked as a scientific researcher, with Dr in front of his name, not something I knew when I began chatting to him from a dating website for goths. I don’t really know what my IQ is, we were given a test on starting secondary school and were initially sorted into six streams of 35 to 40 kids per stream, and then given an IQ test to re-arrange people in the streams. I was initially put in the top stream, and the results of our test were just told to us in name order, with the top name read out last. Mine was the name read out at the very end. I thought they had just forgotten me. So I came one in about 200 or so.

      • julie

        No way. If you look at one in 200 of the population, I think that comes somewhere around the late 140’s on the bell curve. I have never been told my actual score on a properly administered IQ test, the best I have is my position in my class and year group at school.

  15. julie

    There definitely seem to be personality qualities to the different levels. Somebody said there is a criminality sweet spot around IQ 80. I have noticed that there can be a heavy put down quality in some people with IQ in the mid 130’s, very middle class (in the English sense of the word). People with IQ’s around 168-171 can be very generous with their intellectual time and encouraging to others, giving you a hand up. I think you are right about the slightly above average range around 115 being people people who often come across as very very smart. They don’t put others down, but neither do they reach into your depths. They are the health workers and teachers who really care. People with very high IQ’s would struggle in their jobs, and doctors will leave their people jobs to work in lab based jobs.

  16. oops I did it again

    Incidentally, two of the brightest commenters on my blog had IQ’s of 113 and 117. The 117 IQ guy was fantastic at philosophy and other forms of abstract thinking. The other fellow was into genetics and anthropology, but he thought in much the same way. A few of these types are so bright that you almost think that their score is wrong. I am not sure what is going on except maybe they are working their brains extra hard, or they have filled their brains up with all sorts of goodies.

    Myers-Briggs (Jungian) type, life experiences, economic status, degree of neuroticism (“Work their wits hard”), the brain faculty we call “sensitivity”, the other we call “phantasy”, all are factors.

    A 115 IQ is absolutely enough to graduate from college, and most of them do. Is it enough to get an advanced degree? I would say that it is enough to get a Master’s Degree, but at that range, getting a PhD might be a challenge, and at the very least, they would have to work very hard for it.

    Are we talking of Black-Studies and Social Work Ph.D.’s? :))
    Jokes aside..A mindful person wants a Ph.D if they can be real researchers.
    My IQ is 115-125 (different scores at different times, but on average: 110 spatial, 125 numerical/logic, 130/135 verbal), I could have achieved a Ph.D. but I would have felt it was “fake”, or just a title to boast.

    Granted these were tough concepts, and the concretist way of thinking seemed intuitively correct for most of these concepts, but of course it was wrong. The concretist view was usually something like, “What a stupid idea! This means nothing at all! Dumbest idea I’ve ever heard! It makes no sense! Completely irrational!” You had to stretch your brain quite a bit to figure out why the abstract view of the situation was actually the correct one and that the idea indeed had some merit.

    I wonder how the thing people are best at is describing their selves in picturing what they believe be others.

  17. oops I did it again

    What socialists are not “elitist”? Aside from the “revolutionary masses”, all those who fancy leading/instructing them are and must be “elitists”.

    It’s people who need a mission, something that will make them heroes, and are too intelligent to find that kind of gratification doing jobs even for 120 IQ people.

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