We are currently in the midst of a moral panic or mass hysteria about “pedophiles” and “pedophilia.” The definition of a pedophile is a man who is exclusively or preferentially attracted to minors age 12-under. The ages vary – some put the age at 11 or less and others all the way up to 13. If you don’t fit that definition, you are not a pedophile. The definition of pedophilia is the condition whereby a person’s sexual orientation is that they are exclusively or preferentially attracted to minors age 12-under. If one doesn’t fit that definition, one is not a pedophile. If one’s condition doesn’t match the definition above, then one does have pedophilia.
One thing is for certain, attraction to or sex with minors aged 14-17 is never pedophilia under any definition of the word.
There are actually several conditions, which are really sexual orientations:
Pedophilia: Exclusive or primary attraction to minors age 12-under. Can be either homosexual or heterosexual. Exclusive and nonexclusive forms exist, but the exclusive form seems more common.
Hebephilia: A controversial diagnosis whereby one has an exclusive or primary attraction to pubertal individuals around age 12-14 (note the age overlap at age 12 with pedophilia above.) Can be either homosexual or heterosexual. The truth is that many pedophiles are actually hebephiles. Michael Jackson was actually a homosexual hebephile. I think he had an attraction to boys aged 12-14. There was a recent proposal to include Hebephilia in the DSM book of mental disorders used by clinicians, but it was voted down by the committee on the basis that:
- It is not a mental disorder for adults to be attracted to minors aged 12-14.
- It is not even abnormal for adults to be attracted to minors aged 12-14.
There was also a worry that the state would use this diagnosis to lock up sexual offenders forever, even after they finished their sentences, with a fake diagnosis of Hebephilia.
However, some do think that this is an actual disorder, and the debate goes on. Actually, I think it probably is a valid condition in that there does seem to be a subset of men who are in fact hebephiles (they score in between pedophiles and normals in the lab), but many men who are arrested for sex with 12-14 year olds are probably not even hebephiles. They are just men with a normal orientation who are committing what usually boils down to the crime of statutory rape or illegal intercourse.
Nowadays hebephilic behavior is referred to as pedophilia, but it isn’t. And as far the attraction goes, it isn’t even abnormal.
I probably should not talk about this, but I have known a few men who were hebephiles.
One of them was a single man who got a good job making a lot of money. Then he roamed the world presumably looking for opportunities to have sex with teenage girls, especially ones 12-14. He was also attracted to older females, and he had sex with adult females in these places too. Apparently in a lot of Third World countries it is fairly easy to have sex with girls this young with little risk of arrest. He told me that in his travels he met quite a few other men who were also in the Third World looking for not only women but also for teenage girls.
He told me, “You know, you have no idea how many guys will pay good money to have sex with a Lolita, a girl aged 12-14.”
I don’t know what to think about that, but I assume he is telling the truth. I do not believe he has ever been arrested, and I do not consider him to be pedophile.
I know more, but I really shouldn’t write about it right now. Let’s just say that this man isn’t the only hebephile that I have known!
I always thought it was a odd to be all wrapped up in little Lolitas and to prefer a little Lolita to a real grown woman, but it takes all types to fill the freeways. I suppose I just don’t get it.
Ephebephilia: This is the latest in the Orientation Wars. Ephebephilia involves exclusive or preferential attraction to teenagers aged 15-19. This obviously isn’t a disorder, and of course it’s not even abnormal. Indeed, studies of gay men have showed that the age group that they respond to most are males aged 16-20. For straight men, maximal attraction was for females age 20-25. So in effect, most homosexual men are de facto ephebephiles.
I knew a man who may have been an ephebephile. He was an investment banker in Switzerland aged 35 with a wife and young children. He periodically took off for Thailand where he indulged in his taste for teenage girls. I think he liked Thai girls around age 15 or so. He also liked to film his exploits and put photos of his dirty deeds up on the Internet. I didn’t know what to think of the guy, but he wasn’t a pedophile. He was never arrested.
I don’t really understand why a grown man would preferentially want teenage girls to the exclusion of grown women. Why? What will you do when she gets older? I’m not sure if I get it.
Unbelievably, ephebephilia, which is 100% normal in all males in terms of attraction, is now insanely conflated with pedophilia. So if you get a woody by looking at a 15-17 year old hottie, you’re a Short Eyes who belongs in the Pen. Logically this makes no sense whatsoever, but that is the nature of moral panics.
Teleophilia: I believe that teleophilia means an attraction to mature persons, aged 16 and up. Probably the vast majority of males are really teleophiles, and repeated lab studies have proved this endlessly. I suppose I am a teleophile.
We have studied male heterosexual attraction by age in the lab for quite some time now, and we keep getting the same results. They look something like this:
Attraction to females 16+ Maximal 15 90% of max 14 80% of max 13 70% of max 12 60% of max 11 50% of max 10 40% of max 9 30% of max 8 20% of max 7 10% of max
A number of other studies have also been done along these lines, but those look even worse from the Pedophile Moral Panic point of view.
The two that I am aware lumped all females into a category called 12 and up, and found that all males reacted maximally in the lab to this category of females. Unfortunately, they did not break it down by age, but you get the impression. They also had some very shocking findings about females aged 2-12, but I won’t even go into those now, and they look terrible from the Moral Panic POV.
The research shows that all normal males have a maximal sexual attraction towards females aged 16-17. For the younger teens, it is not as strong, but it is still high. So if being attracted to girls aged 13-17 is pedophilia as the dominant lunatic notion in society says, then there are only two types of men who are not pedophiles:
- Gay men
- Dead men
How do most normal males deal with this attraction? Most men past a certain age probably regard teenage girls as “dangerous.” This is where the expression jailbait comes from. They bait you, and if you take the bait, you go to jail. Our society is in the midst of a moral panic about men having sex with teenage girls, so past a certain age, only insane men will mess with them. I have no problem with men aged 18-21 being with teenage girls, but the law is starting to hammer some of these young men too, so you might want to watch it.
Of course, normal and natural urges can be suppressed. If all normal males are attracted to teenage girls but society does not approve of that, the natural reaction would be to suppress that urge. I suppose most men out in public try not to look excessively at girls who look too young. Most of us probably try to look the other way. Most men definitely try to avoid talking to them, since nowadays, any man over age 18 is apparently not allowed to talk to any underage teenage girl. It seems as if people will almost call the police if you try to strike up a conversation with one. It’s really nuts.
I have discussed the studies above a few times with folks, and they sometimes get very upset. Females, particularly older ones, often react violently, screaming and yelling and trying to shut down the conversation. Many times I have been told that they simply did not believe the studies.
“Who did they study? Pedophiles? Well if they only studied pedophiles, of course that’s what they came up with!…Where did you read that study? The American Journal of Pedophilia?” and on and on. You get the picture.
This is interesting because normal liberal folks simply refuse to accept actual scientific facts because they conflict with the Moral Panic that they have set up in their head.
- Nagayama Hall, Gordon C; Hirschman, Richard; and Oliver, Lori L. 1995. Sexual Arousal and Arousability to Pedophilic Stimuli in a Community Sample of Normal Men. Behavior Therapy 26, 681-694