Someone is *Going* to Rule – Either Men or Women, Take Your Pick

Beatrix writes:

I’m still wondering why it has to be either ‘men rule’ or ‘women rule’? Seems the best of both would be a better idea.

Steve doesn’t seem to understand. It’s not a matter of what is better or worse, or what moral or not. One sex or the other is going to rule the other. Either men rule women, or, if they don’t, women will rule men. There is no and will never be equality in the sexual realm. One must dominate, and the other must be submissive.

I reached that conclusion painfully. I long felt, as a feminist and one who came of age in the various Liberation movements, that the world would be better if ruled by women than by men. I now realize that that is wrong.

Male rule is natural and normal and produces functional societies. It is unfortunate that women are often treated poorly in these societies, but at least they work on some level.

And my observation is that in patriarchal societies, both males and females are very happy in their respective roles. This is because men want to be masculine and women want to be feminine.

This is the natural order, and people are happiest when obeying the dictates of nature as their bodies and minds are cognitively, culturally and evolutionarily evolved to be happiest in the natural order. Violations of the natural order will feel unnatural to most humans on some level and will result in mass unhappiness.

Further, violations of nature cause chaos. Commenter Justin said that male rule is natural and female rule only causes chaos. This is my position. Female rule, whatever it’s moral or theoretical benefits, simply doesn’t work. The end result is some sort of chaos.

It is this chaos that people are talking about so much in the Manosphere and on the MRA and PUA blogs. The PUA are attempting to make lemonade out of the sour lemons of this chaos. The others are bitching and complaining, probably to no avail in the long run.

What do I mean by Female Rule and Male Rule? I mean the views, ways of thinking, world view and sexual philosophy of each group will come to dominate society. In Female Rule, those views and philosophies are the female way of thinking. In Male Rule, those thinking modes and opinions are the male way of thinking.

A commenter named Richard Smothers wrote a long piece about a crazy woman, a girlfriend he was living with. She threw him out of the home without giving him 30 days or even 30 seconds to get his stuff. When he tried to get back in to retrieve his stuff, she said he had hit her. He had not, and he had never hit her the whole time he had been with her. Then she got a restraining order against him.

The cops told him that if he went back in the house, they would have to arrest him as she said he had hit her. Those were the rules. The cops also that they were dealing with a tidal wave of women abusing the new rules about domestic violence with false claims of men hitting them.

The case went to court and the judge forced them into arbitration. Once again, the court was dealing with extreme abuse by women of restraining orders against men who had never harmed them in any way.

We are also seeing a tidal wave or false reports of child molestation filed by women against ex-husbands and ex-lovers. The women say that the men abused their children. In a huge percentage of the cases, the charges are simply false.

The problem here is that I have heard stories like Richard’s so many times that I can’t even count all of them.

Women bait men into hitting them. Women invite two men they are involved with over at the same time to try to bait them into a physical altercation, in which case she will call the police. Women wrestle with their sons of the floor, all for the purpose of getting little bruises all over them, then when the man comes over, try to bait him into hitting her (and using the bruises as evidence of the attack) or claim he was the one who caused the bruises.

All of this is an example of female thinking ruling society.

As I said before, men make rules and women break them. To women rules are tools to be bent in wichever way they want to bend them towards whatever ends she needs to use them for, morality be damned. Men think that rules are hard and fast and not to be violated. To women, rules are potential tools and even weapons in their arsenals, to be possibly used if the day arises.

In a recent case, a man had falsely paid child support for years for a child that was not his. He finally went to court and got a lab to prove it was not his. The court argued that the man had to keep paying child support for the child until the child was 18 because this was “in the best interest of the child.” The real father had to pay nothing. This is an example of female thinking ruling society.

We are also dealing with epidemics of false sexual harassment charges, mostly against men who women feel are undesirable or “creepy.” Creepy just means that the guy is omega or maybe even beta in some way. If an undesirable guy shows interest in a woman, that’s “creepy.” I know guys who have been accused of this for merely checking out young women. If you’re a “creepy” omega or even beta, you don’t even have a right to look at women anymore.

I know another guy who got accused of sexual harassment for asking out a woman at work. That’s all he did. He asked her out. She didn’t really respond, and he dropped the matter.

This is also female thinking. The notion that undesirable guys have no right to have sex or even attempt to have sex or even look at a woman is a female notion. That millions of males, otherwise harmless, are “creeps” simply because females don’t like them is female thinking.

There is more to write on this subject but I will save it for another post.

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173 responses to “Someone is *Going* to Rule – Either Men or Women, Take Your Pick

  1. Dota

    Men are just as likely to violate or bend stupid rules as women; however I feel that women are more likely to violate conventions than men. Historically men have been better suited to rule, and the drive to create is built right into our biology. Feminism mimics religion by completely discarding biological differences between the sexes in favour of a rigid ideology. Men have always served as the architects of society and women have contributed almost nothing to the domain of philosophy, which requires only a pen and a mind, no fancy equipment needed. Feminine women perpetuate culture through child rearing and no where is this more obvious than in India. John P Jones pointed out a 100 years ago that the Christian missionary’s most formidable foe in India was the Hindu wife.

    • Dota

      ” But that doesn’t mean that all men should rule.”

      Naturally, however men display a natural aptitude for the job. Women can do it as well, but men are just naturally inclined to it.

      “”An unfortunate (and now somewhat passé) part of modern feminism (and some ultra patriarchal societies) regards child rearing & home making skills with contempt & disdain with little value. That’s a mistake I’d say. “”

      I agree with you here. Women can self actualize with child rearing, this disdain which you speak of goes back to Jew Betty Friedan’s book The feminine mystique. A woman’s work at home is supremely important. Women play a huge part in the survival of a culture and even India’s rotten culture is sustained by women, many of which participate in honour killings themselves. The future of civilized and uncivilized cultures alike rest in the hands of women.

      “”Although I feel that certain checks & balances need to be in place to insure the ‘benevolence’ of this patriarchy or we get the excesses you see with the Saudi mutawa, clitoridectomy as in the Sudan & north Africa, and the gross misogyny you see in the Asian subcontinent (bride burning, dowry killings, etc).””

      Since my future lies in the west, the practices of the savages on the other side of the Atlantic no longer concern me. I do know that if you subtract popular culture western societies will revert back to their Victorian values in just 2 or 3 decades. It’s healthy behavior. The rot that has infected western societies has an upkeep. As Kevin Macdonald points out, Western societies are just naturally benevolent towards their women and western marriages are generally based upon mutual love and compassion. In south Asia, the patriarchy is so extreme and hierarchical that it erodes away companionship between husband and wife. The Victorians had the right idea, and while many scoff at their sensibilities, this was the society that produced Watt, Mill, Bentham, Dickens ect… It was hardly averse to progress and intellectualism.

      • Ishmael

        Great comment on Victoria. Elizabeth II is another great figure; I just watched her on TV a few hours ago, and she strikes me as dignified, motherly and powerful all at the same time.

        Many posters have said this and I’ll say it again. The problem is birth control, specifically abortion. That is why we are at a record level of single parent households. It promotes irresponsible behavior, and the few responsible people that know how to use birth control are overshadowed by the lower classes that don’t. Women were more careful before birth control – the PUA culture and the females that participate are just mutually sharing sensual pleasure. Men used to go to saloons or taverns to get their fix from prostitutes. It’s the same thing. That solves the ‘social’ part of this issue.

        In terms of changing laws to suit a patriarchal agenda, that’s a tougher issue to tackle. But I am not in favor of keeping women out of certain leadership positions. If a woman has masculine characteristics and is not shrouded by the cloud of feminism, she can lead. But one thing is clear, we live in a society where anybody can physically survive fine in terms of food, shelter and safety. I think Patriarchal societies developed when the certainty of getting food on the table or when safety was an issue.

        Welfare therefore is a problem because it reduces the dependence on a man.

        Conservatives DO have a point in this, Robert.

      • Ishmael

        Banning contraceptives and abortion will stop female finickiness in the social scene. Either that or Purdah/Victorian modesty which is an impractical goal given the mass media feeds on sensory desires.

      • Ishmael

        That’s fine because the prostitutes will fuck anybody, therefore reducing this ‘creep’ thing Robert is talking about.

      • Ishmael

        If there are only sluts that run the risk of getting pregnant every day, there will be no social prestige in fucking them. PUA treat women like trophies, preferably with a girl that is very picky. It gives them social capital. Fucking a whore gains nothing, and keeps power away from these types of women.

      • Ishmael

        I’m just arguing how to create a society that’s patriarchal and one that doesn’t isolate the betas and omegas that don’t get any. Solutions to the problems articulated in the article.

        Yes, marriage is important for social order.

        And two, please flip the coin to give a feminist perspective. It’s simple biology Beatrix (another great queen btw!) women have a LOT more to lose when it comes to sex.

      • Ishmael

        He would not sit next to you so proudly if you were an ugly whore. If you are an alpha, you are beautiful, intelligent and you don’t open to your legs to any guy. He gains social capital amongst the guys he hangs out with because you are someone his friends envy.

        If you were loose, he would not be so proud sitting next to you. And he would not inspire envy amongst his friends, because whores don’t inspire envy – they’re objects.

      • Ishmael

        I used to play these stupid pick up games, Beatrix. (I’m 40 and married and loyal)

        My view of alpha in these depraved environments (clubs/bars/parties) was of getting the most beautiful, hard to get woman and use her. Looking back I know my real intention was to gain social capital among the men I was with. They envied me because I got beautiful women. That envy means they were less powerful than I was. I was ‘alpha’ of this bubble.

        What a stupid term anyway, alpha – everybody links it to sex, but any environment where there is people and hierarchy there is alpha. In the bubble of a Hospital, doctors are alpha. In a company, the CEO.

        That insecurity among those on the lower rungs cause people to motivate themselves to move up the ladder. It causes the poor factory worker to start his own company, free from his alpha boss that determines his salary. When this insecurity is on picking up women, like in High School or College – no productive work is done. And when women, protected by birth control, become finicky, sexual frustration among beta/omega populations will spill over and cause much bigger societal problems as articulated in the blog.

      • Ishmael

        “The notion that undesirable guys have no right to have sex or even attempt to have sex or even look at a woman is a female notion. That millions of males, otherwise harmless, are “creeps” simply because females don’t like them is female thinking.”

        That ‘game’ is the spark that gets people married. And when there’s:

        Contraceptives
        Abortion
        Sperm Banks
        Welfare w/ pref. to single mothers

        It essentially ruins the vast majority of the ‘creeps’ of this world. It also ruins families. I’m done for the night 🙂

      • Queen Victoria was a female ruler who enforced male rule. It’s not about who physically ruled society, it’s about whose ideas rule society. I am all for 50-50 rule. I would love to have Congress 50% female. I would love to see goals in the Executive Branch making the Cabinet 50% female. I don’t have any real issues there. Women can enforce male rule. Males can enforce female rule.

      • Dota

        Exactly Robert, the British Empire was left in the capable hands of men like John Stuart Mill and Lord Macaulay (one of my idols).

      • Bhabiji

        Ishmael, I share your concern for the future of children and family. But your ideas are not the way to go about it. In fact, they will have the opposite effect to what you intend.

      • Gay State Girl

        “I am all for 50-50 rule. I would love to have Congress 50% female. I would love to see goals in the Executive Branch making the Cabinet 50% female.”

        Oh come on. Even I wouldn’t go that far.

      • Ishmael

        How will it be disastrous? Birth Control and abortion has never been this extreme. Aside from sheepskin condoms or pulling out, most of human history didn’t have this kind of ‘luxury’.

        Exceptions to the rule in history are Romans that used a now extinct plant for birth control or killing the baby by inserting sharp objects. Ouch.

      • Bhabiji

        Yeah you are right, the Victorians were pretty vile, Beatrix. They invented BDSM. Weird lot.

  2. Bhabiji

    Bobby Ji, women and men are ruling conjointly together and will continue to do so.

    Also, what about finding and linking to all my comments here over the last 7 days for me? Thanks! Much appreciated, Ji, or Ju 😉

    • Why the fuck should I find and link all of your comments on this site in the last 7 days? That’s a big job.

      You can do it yourself anyway. Just search “Bhabiji” and I think all of your comments should just show up right there.

      • Bhabiji

        I was under the impression you were jobless, bored and looking for timepass.

        By the way, in the MRA-sphere the Aurora massacre is being blamed on women.

        Another call for assembly line girlfriends and sexual marxism.

        Fuck that shit! Bobby Ji has better things to do, like search for and link all my comments, right bro? 😉

        • Dota

          Why Robert hasn’t banned you yet is beyond me

        • nominay

          With all due respect, your impression is shit. This blog takes a lot of work. That Robert doesn’t have to have a conventional job is to our benefit, and we ought not belittle him for it. It takes a lot of hard work, discipline, and more to know as much, write as much, research as much, and respond to as much, as Robert does.

        • Steve

          But why should he be expected to find your comments? This is absurd.

          Leave his employment status out of it!

        • Dota

          Bibi

          You are certainly intelligent enough to realize that Bhabi is not your typical desi female. She’s about as Desi as Julia Roberts. Outside of her pop Om Shanti Om spirituality (she never did respond to my post on Ram’s amorality) she has no access to Indian culture or values whatsoever. She tries to construct Indian reality along the lines of the reality she perceives in the west (Indian Congress = left wing). Women of colour make some of the most radical feminazis on the planet. I’ve seen many of them in my first year social science electives. It’s like they think they’ve discovered Kryptonite and practice their feminist religion with the same zeal as a white convert to Islam. I doubt she sees herself as a typical Desi woman herself, thinking she’s unique, however she sounds like a banal feminist 101 textbook.

        • mott 69

          DOta: DITTO

        • Dota

          Aren’t you in the teaching business Mott? I vaguely recall you mentioning it. What’s your experience with this?

        • mott 69

          DOta: Have Bachelor’s in Poli Sci , minor History- w/Single Subject Social Science credential being worked on. Trying to get into credential program- pain in ARSE! Gotta pass the background check…damn!

        • Dota

          I see. I thought you were teaching at some Uni and I was wondering what your experience was with non white feminazis. One of the most rabid feminists I’ve met was this Pakistani girl at York years ago. She reminds me a lot of Bhabi. For an institution dedicated to fostering intellectualism and individualism the modern University sure does churn out its share of drones.

        • mott 69

          Dota; Just had to endure 4 years of P.C. Femi-Nazi torture at the most liberal, diverse Uni under the sun…Every class: HAtred of White Anglo Saqxon Protestant Males 101…They are poisoning their minds w/ Political Correctness… Women, minorities RULE- males DROOL…Capitalist Classical Economics 101 nonsense…

          then…had the displeasure of being a “teaching observer” at a Prison for Kids- a local bourgeois high school. Different thing there. They are bombarding them with INFO- Q: what will stick?

        • Gay State Girl

          Mott
          The first time I met a young woman who espouced feminist rhetoric was a Japanese assistant lecturer in my Psychology 101 class, and most of the white girls rolled their eyes in response. When I was growing up, Girl Power! was already obsolete.

          Got to pay Jews if you want to print the news and you know it don’t come easy. How do you like that, Lindsay?

        • mott 69

          GSG- Femeninsm is like a lot of stuff- a little = good too much=bad just enuff= maybe ok.

        • mott 69

          GSG- Wasn’t Girrl Power in the 90s and early 00s?

        • Bhabiji

          “The first time I met a young woman who espouced feminist rhetoric was a Japanese assistant lecturer in my Psychology 101 class, and most of the white girls rolled their eyes in response. When I was growing up, Girl Power! was already obsolete.”

          Obsolete because those who rolled their eyes were riding the 3rd wave of feminism in their country. There are countries out there that haven’t even had their first wave yet. While Feminism may be passe in your culture, in mine it may not have even gotten off the ground yet. With globalization and the internet all of us different women are coming in contact with one another.

        • mott 69

          Feminism isn’t passe here in the U.S.A. you stupid twat.
          What planet are you on?

        • Dota

          Feminism’s just internalized to the point of becoming invisible. Sort of like caste in India. Casteism is alive and well despite most Hindus never having heard of the Manusmiriti. Same with feminism in North America despite most women never having heard of Gloria Steinem.

        • mott 69

          “Feminism’s just internalized to the point of becoming invisible. Sort of like caste in India.”

          Yep!

        • Gay State Girl

          I’m guessing that Girl Power! was all the rage in the late ’70’s through ’80’s but didn’t go over so well with younger girls.

          I am optimistic that the coming crisis will force 90% of universities to eliminate their cream puff majors (and d2 and d3 sports teams) and alumni and professors will be forced to get menial jobs that they previously considered beneath them. I don’t wish them to be housewives, as that is too easy, but maybe have psychology and sociology grads work as care takers for aging boomers, and have the Race/Class/Gender folks applying their knowledge in inner city ghettos and Indian reservations.

        • mott 69

          GSG_ WRong…

          the Girl Power and Riot Girrl movement was in the 90s.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_grrrl

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_power

        • Bhabiji

          “I am optimistic that the coming crisis will force 90% of universities to eliminate their cream puff majors (and d2 and d3 sports teams) and alumni and professors will be forced to get menial jobs that they previously considered beneath them. I don’t wish them to be housewives, as that is too easy, but maybe have psychology and sociology grads work as care takers for aging boomers, and have the Race/Class/Gender folks applying their knowledge in inner city ghettos and Indian reservations.”

          Excellent ideas. American academia appalls me with all this nonsensical foo-foo like “whiteness studies”. WTF?

        • mott 69

          FUCK WHITENESS STUDIES!

        • Gay State Girl

          Mott
          I remember that slogan from the early 90’s and it was considered dull by 2000.

  3. AK

    Robert and I are kindred souls in some sense. We are both Leftists (kind of, in my case) who have had to swallow some red pills and make accommodation with undeniable biopolitical and psychosexual realities.

  4. AK

    Betas are the builders of civilization. You just can’t do without them. If their interests aren’t catered for society devolves into a tribalistic jungle.

    Due to various factors, betas are now taken for granted by women. Omegas need not apply. This is what happens when traditional mores, i.e. the masculine rules that underpin civilization, collapse, and female hypergamy is unleashed, leading to soft polygamy.

    Becoming a player, or PUA, is a natural adaptation of the rational beta to his environment. To remain in the sexual market he is going to mimic alpha traits, which is really what “game” is all about. The reason self-proclaimed alpha women (not that they actually exist LOL) like Beatrix consider players to be “creeps” is because game is a form of reproductive cheating.

    This is completely natural and to be expected. Of course one should not blame or resent women for following their misplaced instincts. It’s not something they have any control over and doing so would just be omega. The alpha response would be to just learn game and go a-banging.

    Arguably, the very survival of civilization depends on more betas doing that, to avoid the dystopian outcomes that a surfeit of alphas and “independent women” inevitably leads to.

    • mott 69

      “The reason self-proclaimed alpha women (not that they actually exist LOL)” ROlling on FLorr Laffing Azz Off!

      • Aakash

        Actually they do. Leaders of cheerleading teams are a good example. The quarterback always gets them remember?

        • Xera

          Leaders of cheerleading teams and quarterbacks are never Indian srs.

        • mott 69

          Cheerleaders are Alphas? And Quarterbacks?

          Thinkin’ “no”… Most cheerleaders go on to become housewives and most quarterbacks go on work at a gas station or factory (at least this used to be the case).

          They may be Alphas within the school setting- but that is not reality. Alpha implies intelligence (and earning power) as much, or more than looks.

        • Gay State Girl

          “Thinkin’ “no”… Most cheerleaders go on to become housewives and most quarterbacks go on work at a gas station or factory (at least this used to be the case).”

          You referring to amateurish high school, college, or professional sports?

        • Ishmael

          You guys are just picking away at all the wrong things. “oh Im married so Im alpha” or “oh this game thing is for losers”. or “yeah, those guys are alpha in their bubble”

          When it comes to dating women, everyone is competing with each other, and with feminism, pussy is only doled out to a very small sliver of men, like an Inca king. And high school/college/bars/parties is a good way to showcase this because that is where people spend the most fertile years. The first third of their life. That’s how it is in the West. Remember how I said men used to go to saloons? It’s now an overdrawn, intricate game of chess between the sexes, and a small small minority of men get the majority of women.

          Even if you got a salary job and go up to a woman to ask her out- she has support from the government and contraceptives that essentially block the beta’s advances. Woman: “I’m making my own money now. I don’t want to mate with you – I would rather go with that alpha and get sexually pleasured instead. I have nothing to lose, because I have birth control, and if it goes wrong, I can just abort the baby!”

          Birth Control
          Abortion
          Sperm Banks

        • mott 69

          Referring to high school and lower college- perhaps not the big colleges and big leagues, etc. Any rate- cheerleaders do not equal quarterbacks. Also, top athletes are not necessarily true alphas, not at all!

    • Steve

      ‘Due to various factors, betas are now taken for granted by women’

      So most men are taken for granted by most (all?) woman? Taken for granted how? what are you talking about?

  5. AlanJ

    This “irrational exuberance of chaos” [Feminism, Globalization, Materialism etc] in the world will end, when the God’s gift of “Oil” will end soon. It is back to “Surviving the hard life, where one is meant to experience again”.

    Patriarchy, order, Religion will take hold, there will chaos ofcourse, how will you feed 9 Billion without chemical fertilizers etc.

    Hindus have always believed, the purpose of Human life is to find “Path to Heaven on Earth”, and not “Heaven itself” on Earth.

    There is this Urdu saying “Allah ko Pyari Qurabani” [ God Likes sacrifice] ignorant Muslims Slaughter Animals following it. The true meaning is to suffer soul stirring experience which strengthens your bonding with God.

    There is another Hindu saying ” Your true relative is God” the rest is just temporary.

  6. Anonymouse

    This post was nothing but omega-male rage. Rules are abused by men and women alike. Undesirable people (male OR female) will always be hated for wanting to have sex. Nothing new here.

    • Look I am banning you kiddo. I am not an Omega anyway.

      • Bhabiji

        Bobby Ji, if the comment doesn’t apply to you then why ban him/her? Anyway, we can all desire sex from whomever we want, but nobody is obligated to give it to us. To all the Sexual Marxist MRAs out there – NO, OBAMA DOES NOT “OWE” YOU A GIRLFRIEND!

        • Gay State Girl

          Bhabiji
          But I do forsee the NHS distributing free sexbots and VR.

        • Bhabiji

          GSG, sexbots and VR, 3D holographic technology will, if anything, be dominated by a female driven clientele because sex toys for women do not have anywhere near the same stigma that they do for men. In fact, for women its considered liberating, empowering, there’s even a party circuit. But sex toys for men are creepy and loserish.

          That’s why men will stick to porn over sexbots. Porn is easier to hide but where you gonna hide a damn robot? Its a neon sign to the world that you are a creepy loser who can’t get laid.

          Something that crazy desi TFH who wrote the “Misandry Bubble” and posts MRA flyers in mens public bathrooms simply doesn’t get. He thinks bots and VR are gonna “take all men off the market” and make women hut-to, do an about face, and beg to married off to the nearest possible undesirable chump.

          LOL, Desi, puh-leeze. Such technology will have the exact opposite effect.

  7. Steve

    BEATRIX WROTE IT.

    And this was my reply:

    “Trixie,

    yeah, one would perhaps hope for that from a advanced human civilisation. I wouldn’t want us to miss out on Janeway or Kirk…

    However, I think we should ensure equality of opportunity rather than forcing equality of outcome. If men, on average, are more driven to powerful positions or more interested in mathematics, then there wont be equality of outcome in leadership or math departments. Buts that’s fine as long as everyone has a fair shot who wants it.”

    I guess you thought that was like something I would say.

  8. sweetsusiq

    Yikes Twice! I’m a happily married female with a brilliant alpha hubby who watches over me and our children with an eagle eye, and I love it. I know, absolutely, without a doubt, that if he thought anything could or would harm me or our children, hubby would handle that situation immediately.I run the house, and take care of the children, he handles everything else, and watches over us while holding down a very stressful job of running a hospital lab and working as a full time physician, but if I should need him, hubby comes home immediately. Marriage works if everyone knows their places, and no, I am not undervalued, but cherished by my hubby, whom I also cherish. There is joy in being in my God given position.

  9. Steve

    “I mean the views, ways of thinking, world view and sexual philosophy of each group will come to dominate society.”

    Can you explain the ways of thinking, worldview and sexual philosophy of men and woman please? Is this constant and the same in all time and places?

    Sorry to be slow to catch on but what is the sexual philosophy of woman that has apparently come to dominate society?

  10. Aakash

    Robert

    While it is obvious that male rule would be ideal, I see no reason as to why a number of women cannot “make the jump” and obtain positions based on the male way of thinking which is characterized, at the very least, by the following:

    1) Create objectives.
    2) Focus on the objectives. No vacillating.
    3) Demonstrate altruism at all times. No pissing contests or me-me attitudes. No derogatory behavior.
    4) Show genuine empathy.
    5) Minimize jealousy. Channel any jealousy towards self-improvement as opposed to converting it to spite. Bitches are notorious for spiteful behavior borne out of jealousy. When they start pulling in others into their games, the world is fucked.
    6) Make decisions based on logic as opposed to emotions. This is obvious. Women are capable of logic (especially if it is in their genes) but will they invoke it all the time? I’ve seen a few remarkable women (engineers/scientists/computer geeks) that do it.

    Anyway, the bottomline is that the world has to be governed by male characteristics at all times. Otherwise, we all will be spun in such a capricious, indecisive, spiteful, tormenting and denigrating web that eventually it will lead to disorder and jungle empires all over.

    Do I want to live in a Jungle Raj? No. So women need to know their place.

    • Steve

      Aakash,

      “I see no reason as to why a number of women cannot “make the jump” and obtain positions based on the male way of thinking which is characterized, at the very least, by the following:

      3) Demonstrate altruism at all times. No pissing contests or me-me attitudes. No derogatory behavior.
      4) Show genuine empathy”

      Are you fucking crazy?

      • Steve

        *I’m not questioning whether woman can do that. I’m asking if you are crazy for thinking that altruism and empathy characterizes the male attitude and behaviour in this world.

        • Steve

          ‘altruism at all times’.

          In this world? Men?

        • Aakash

          Maybe not in these times Steve but historically, yes. The consumerist culture of nowadays is fueled by women and their desires. Even the men are turning into pussies. Skinny ass jeans, gel heads, etc are a direct result of that.

          Also, it is true that research has shown women in general to be more empathetic: emotional and cognitive. However, acting on the empathy (otherwise what’s the use of even empathizing?) is what lacks in women. A woman will never go against her interests. Plenty of men have. Women need to be kept in a figurative rules-based “cage”. Don’t let them escape out of that. Otherwise its mayhem.

        • Steve

          Nonsense. In what period of history were men altruistic angels? Let me give you a clue: never!

          ‘A woman will never go against her interests’.

          I don’t know a greater altruism than motherly love. Lots of woman have great hearts.

          You’ve got warped beliefs my friend.

        • Bhabiji

          Steve
          July 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM

          Nonsense. In what period of history were men altruistic angels? Let me give you a clue: never!

          ‘A woman will never go against her interests’.

          I don’t know a greater altruism than motherly love. Lots of woman have great hearts.

          You’ve got warped beliefs my friend.


          Steve Jaan, remember I explained how Desi dudes copy and paste whatever they read in the western manosphere, sans any context whatsoever?

        • Steve

          ‘Steve Jaan’

          lol.

        • Steve

          You don’t smell bad. Noted.

      • Bhabiji

        “A woman will never go against her interests.”

        The entire Indian culture is women going against their interests. Which is about to end soon, by the way.

    • Bhabiji

      Go give the following advice to Desi mama’s boys boyfriends and husbands who know how to do nothing but vacillatate when it comes to their personal lives;

      1) Create objectives.
      2) Focus on the objectives. No vacillating.
      3) Demonstrate altruism at all times. No pissing contests or me-me attitudes. No derogatory behavior.
      4) Show genuine empathy.
      5) Minimize jealousy.
      6) Make decisions based on logic as opposed to emotions.

  11. Aakash

    Also for bitches, pussy is the only chip that they have to play their games on men. Why give it all away?

    Men: I got a career, nice possessions, am a decent guy etc.
    Women: I got pussy. You can’t get it. I’ll never give it to you. You are a creep.

    See?

  12. Steve

    So there is an epidemic of false sexual harassment and rape and domestic violence charges?

    Isn’t the manosphere where men who have been hurt by woman go to talk about it? It is an unrepresentative sample!

    What if there was a womanosphere where used and abused woman went to compile negative stories about men? There would be thousands and thousands. But again, an unrepresentative sample!

    Generalizing about the moral integrity of woman based on hundreds or thousands of anecdotes in a population of 300 million is no better than generalizing about the moral integrity of men.based on the same.

    This is not rigorous thinking.

    Bad behaviour perpetrated by a minority can produce seemingly endless anecdotes in in a population of 300 million. Imagine 1 in 100 woman out of 100 million falsely accused a man of rape. That is 1 million cases of false accusation of rape! But 1 in 100 woman does not represent woman!

    1 in 100 men actually doing a rape does not mean men are rapists.

    Furthermore, one country does not represent the whole of humanity. Rapes are extremely common in South Africa. That doesn’t reflect on all men in the world. Its a situation in one country.

    Also, I will reiterate that the ‘creeper’ phenomenon is American and no equivalent word exists in the UK and probably the rest of Europe. It isn’t some universal phenomenon that results from woman’s lib. Also, as other commenters have said, men can be very nasty to unnatratcive woman.

    There has to be sexual harassment and domestic violence laws but they have to be evidence based. Plain and simple. Maybe there has to be some reform. If there are stupid law that allow bad behaviour, there will be bad behaviour from selfish people who can gain from it.

    Show me some evidence or give me a logical reason to believe that a majority or even a large minority of woman are making false accusations. Then talk about what woman are like.

    Reactionary woman hating is just as bad as feminist man hating.

    No woman in my family would behave like this.

    • God bless the women in your family, then. I’m glad your life experiences have not directly put you on the receiving-end of this epidemic. Make no mistake, my friend, this is not something I want to believe or acknowledge, the inescapable fact of it forced on me by my own experiences and by having witnessed those of others doesn’t allow me the Pollyannic luxury of denying what I has been forced down my throat. I do not think all women are like this, but enough clearly are to have caused me to be very, very careful and selective about any women I even so much as speak to, let alone sleep with.

      Of course, sharing stories about the wonderful women I know would be extremely boring, here. But I have to say that they aren’t as ubiquitious, in my personal experiences, as I would wish. Kudos to any of you men who do not share my experiences or conclusions, I’d trade places with you gladly.

      I love women, I need them, just like any man. Otherwise, I wouldn’t give a shit, I’d just go around lying and hate-fucking, which is not my bag.

      • Steve

        hi Richard,

        I appreciate your sincerity. In the end, I can only make judgments based on my own society because that’s all I have direct experience of. I don’t believe it is like you describe here (I’m from the UK). I think most men will never encounter false accusations to the police from a woman. I can’t say it more simply than that.

        Also, the crap you read about 15% of men, the so called alpha males, monopolizing all the woman is nonsense in the UK context. A much higher percentage than that of men in their 20’s and 30’s have girlfriends. And the vast majority of men have had sex by age 25. You see average guys with girlfriends and getting laid all the time.

        Anyway, good luck meeting the right kind of woman you deserve. She is surely out there, even in America 😛

        • NO! This is not true. I have a friend in the UK. He has Social Anxiety Disorder, and he had two insane sisters. The sisters brutalized him for much of his life. Totally out of control psycho bitches. They hit him all the time too. I think one time or so he hit them back, and they flipped out and called police. Police came and it was a gigantic mess. The law in the UK has been co-opted by the Feminazis and men have zero rights anymore. They were always hitting him and saying if he lifted one finger to defend himself, they would call the cops and the law of course would be 100% on their side.

          They are both sluts and heroin users who have spent their whole 20’s chasing bad boys and getting knocked up as usual. The father is weak and the mother is mentally ill.

          The way this guy describes it, all UK society is pretty much like this now. I believe him!

        • Steve

          Here is a story my mum just told me from somebody she worked with:

          A young woman was the victim of domestic abuse but she didn’t want to tell the police because she felt her boyfriends would get away with it as he always had. One day he had her on the floor, strangling her, as she was trying to hold on to her baby, and she passed out. She was taken to the hospital and she decided that it had gone too far and she would prosecute.

          She was receiving threats from the family of the man. Then she spent two days on the stand, being character assassinated by his barrister. This was a working class girl who probably wore a a low cut top and shortish skirt, which they used against her. There were photographs of the marks on her neck but the barrister argued that the photos were taken the next day so there was ‘reasonable doubt’ that he caused the marks. She could have done it herself or somebody else could have.

          The man was acquitted. Next time she wont tell the police.

          Most woman who are abused are too scared to tell the police and feel it wont help.

          In the UK, if the police are called out to a domestic incident, they will use their discretion. If things have settled down, they will often do nothing. If an accusation is made, the incident will be logged in a database that is not public and therefore can’t affect the man if he applies for a job or something. The more accusations that have been logged, the more seriously it is taken. (If the man has been accused falsely so many times and not left her, he is a mug).

          Only if a conviction is made, after a trial like the one I described, will he get a record. Obviously, high standards of evidence are required in the trial.

          Most woman are making accusations to the police? Firstly, nothing would really happen. It usually would just waste everybody’s time. Secondly, there’s no way in hell that most woman are doing this. Are they threatening to? Doubt it. I haven’t heard of one single case.

          Lastly, your sources sisters are skanks and your source is unreliable. I never said there were no skanks.

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skank

          Once again, the MRA guys are on a different planet.

          They should focus on divorce and child access. That’s possibly the area where woman are favoured. Woman are probably more likely to get custody of children. But then again, those guys think woman should be the child carers so maybe they shouldn’t go there.

        • mott 69

          @Steve: Are in England? Have you ever been to the U.S.? Or other countries?

        • Steve

          *boyfriend

        • Steve

          Change that to:

          If an accusation is made, the incident will be logged in a database that is not public and therefore can’t affect the man’s reputation or job prospects.

        • Bhabiji

          Steve, that story about the abused woman was horrific. There is a golden rule that ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE should follow. If he hits you once LEAVE – no matter what. Because if he hits you once, he will hit you again, guaranteed. That’s the way to put these abusive bastards out of commission.

          And like I said before, there’s a lot of lunatics out there roaming the streets and getting jobs as if they were normal people, since the government did away with crazy houses.

    • So there is an epidemic of false sexual harassment and rape and domestic violence charges?

      Fake domestic violence? YES! Fake sexual harassment? Almost ALL sex harassment charges are FAKE, so YES.

      False rape? No idea. I’ve been accused of rape myself though, and it was never reported to the police. I didn’t rape her.

      Isn’t the manosphere where men who have been hurt by woman go to talk about it? It is an unrepresentative sample!

      It’s not just on the Manosphere! I hear this in my personal life, and I have experienced some of it myself. Yeah, it’s an epidemic all right!

      Generalizing about the moral integrity of woman based on hundreds or thousands of anecdotes in a population of 300 million is no better than generalizing about the moral integrity of men.based on the same.

      Women didn’t use to do this shit, so there’s no moral integrity argument. But the problem with women is that they are going to see these new laws and empowerment decisions as TOOLS to be used in whatever way possible, morality be damned. To women, rules are TOOLS. We just handed women a bunch of fancy new tools and told them to be careful and only use them where in a morally appropriate way. Well, that ain’t going to happen! They are going to use them any way they see fit!

      • Steve

        “Generalizing about the moral integrity of woman based on hundreds or thousands of anecdotes in a population of 300 million is no better than generalizing about the moral integrity of men.based on the same.

        Women didn’t use to do this shit, so there’s no moral integrity argument.”

        You are accusing woman in general of being immoral or amoral in certain ways. You are portraying them as vindictive and opportunistic, using rules to get their own way. You are questioning the moral integrity of woman in general.

        My point was that a tiny minority of woman acting like this in a large population can generate thousands or even over a million anecdotes. But this does not justify statements about the moral integrity of woman in general.

        There is a big problem with male aggression and violence towards woman but it is only a minority of men who do it and it shouldn’t reflect on all men. In fact, probably most men despise violence to woman. I know I do.

        “To women, rules are TOOLS.”

        I’ve seen no evidence that there is a gender difference in attitudes to rules.

  13. Steve

    “It’s not a matter of what is better or worse, or what moral or not. One sex or the other is going to rule the other. Either men rule women, or, if they don’t, women will rule men. There is no and will never be equality in the sexual realm. One must dominate, and the other must be submissive.”

    Why?

  14. mott 69

    Trixie: You’re not addressing the question. The question isn’t who’s the smartest, most stable, who can be nastier, etc. The question is “who should rule”, and whether sex is a right or not. You disagree? Then go fuck yourself!

    • Bhabiji

      mott 69, Go watch Magic Mike, learn some dance moves, work out, get some muscles and a tight, cute butt and you most likely won’t have any problem getting sex, provided your face is not totally busted.

      • Ishmael

        That’s the male version of makeup.

        Overly concerned about these aesthetics proves that men are not ruling.

      • mott 69

        Butt-Face Babble-Goo- I do work out, I have a nice butt, and I can dance like James-Fucking-Brown (i’m black from the waist down). My face? I got carded the other day and I’m 49. I’m prettier than you, bitch!

        Might have to miss “Magic Mike”- not really into dudes!

      • Bhabiji

        @mott 69, “Butt-Face Babble-Goo- I do work out, I have a nice butt”

        Pix or GTFO!

    • Steve

      oh God, ‘Trixie’ is catching on already.

  15. Thanks for the acknowledgement, Bob. To provide a tiny bit of balance and without going into detail, I was once stabbed in the chest with a fork at a Denny’s by a woman I was involved with. I went back to my place a couple blocks away and called the sheriffs without describing any details, just to ask them if they could give her a ride home because she was a bit out of sorts aqnd I didn’t think, under the circumstances, that it’d be a good idea for me to offer to give her a ride home. An hour later, the sheriffs at my door said they had her and that she, lo and behold! claimed I had hit her. They asked me to come out to the car to ID her, which I did. However, he added, since he couldn’t see any marks on her but could see the 4 tiny holes in my chest trickling blood (as well as having received a statement from the waitress at Denny’s who had literally dropped her tray full of dishes when she saw this woman lean across the table and stab me) that they though it best that he leave the cuffs on her and continue driving her to the police station. At least this time, the asshole went to jail instead of me

    The fork attack did not, fortunately, leave any scars.

  16. Bhabiji

    Attention Bobby Ji!

    https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/what-androgyny-is-and-what-it-is-not/#comment-102175

    For all the prophets here predicting the future, here’s what’s going to really happen. Men and women with the natural capacity to lead will continue to lead, working conjointly for a better world. The rest of us will become less materialistic as the finite resources run out, return to an agriculture based society, as we turn our front yards into organic gardens instead of having them lie there empty with manicured green lawns to impress the neighbors. Many of us will start hunting and gathering again. Its already happen. As we get back to nature our religions will become more nature based, gods and goddesses that represent different aspects of nature will return to the collective lexicon as the male dominated god of the desert regions recedes to the background, as is already happening in the West. The Middle East will catch up with that. You can expect to see more syncretic forms of Islam sprouting up in the most Wahabi-ed out desert lands.

    Call me an optimist. I think the future holds promise. Not a Utopia, but a more reasonable, natural, and energy efficient planet than the one we have now.

    • Steve

      In an age of science, people aren’t going to suddenly start literally believing in ancient gods that represent and explain different aspects of nature.

      ‘The rest of us will become less materialistic as the finite resources run out’

      Assuming that we don’t manage to generate enough energy from non-fossil fuel sources as fossil fuels decline. Even if we don’t it should only be for a period until non-fossil fuel sources are providing abundant energy again. Maybe in that period, what you said will start to happen. People growing ones own veg en masse could be a good idea. A decline in the rampant materialism of our age and a time of soul searching and a return to the real sources of happiness could also be healthy.

      Relationships are more important than things. I think we are made happier by community than we are by luxury, which is a lesson I learnt from the poor of other countries.

      • Bhabiji

        “In an age of science, people aren’t going to suddenly start literally believing in ancient gods that represent and explain different aspects of nature. ”

        Not “beliefs” – archetypes. They are very much popular in the western new age scenes. People are rediscovering the Divine Feminine in the form of archetypal goddess and loving it.

        And yeah, that’s what I’m talking about – renewable technologies. Those along with getting back to localized organic farming, gardening, hunting and gathering, home births, orgasmic birthing, clothing optional dances around the fire, kumbaya.

        Such communities are sprouting up everywhere on my side of the Atlantic.

        • Steve

          “Not “beliefs” – archetypes.”

          Fine I guess if they want to understand it metaphorically or something.

          Orgasmic birthing sounds a bit wacky though.

    • Steve

      “Call me an optimist. I think the future holds promise. Not a Utopia, but a more reasonable, natural, and energy efficient planet than the one we have now.”

      A lot of turbulence and shit will probably happen along the way. Just look at the last 100 years. I do believe that we will eventually become wiser though. I am an optimist too.

  17. John R.

    Modern political structures are an outgrowth of the inherent hierarchy of male society. Female society is less hierarchical and more collaborative by nature, more properly it can be considered a network. When radical feminism seeks to deconstruct the political structures and feminize them, in some fundamental respect they are subverting both the male and female nature (though they may also be clearing out centuries of stilted gender role underbrush that grew out of the disparities and distortions of power). This state of affairs is inherently transitory.

  18. James Schipper

    Dear Robert
    What you call female thinking sounds more like psychopathic thinking to me. Falsely accusing someone of a serious crime is not something what morally sound people do, male or female.

    We should distinguish between power in society and power within a marriage. Call me a naïve fool if you like, but I think that power in society should go to whoever is most skillful in gaining it by legitimate means, which in practice will be mainly men. In a marriage, both spouses should be equal. In about 80% of marriages men will be more dominant than women even with formal equality, but men should be able to dominate because they have a certain personality, not because women should have a duty to obey them.

    Regards. James

  19. Ishmael

    Problems:

    Unqualified women through ‘affirmative action’ get in jobs they cannot do.

    Feminist politicians promoting ‘woman’s privacy’ through birth control.

    Solutions:

    Only allow the most competent woman to get a job. Let sex not be an issue in terms of ability.

    Block Birth Control/abortion to unmarried couples or allow abortion in cases of rape.

    Outcomes:

    Good, competent woman in leadership positions

    Strong families because women will be forced to marry due to lack of birth control. Stronger, well brought up children. More productive society.

    I’ll say it again (I’m getting annoying here)

    Birth Control
    Abortion
    Sperm Banks

    • Ishmael

      I’m pretty much an atheist, and I don’t give a damn about what the church says, but aside from the ‘gift of life’, the church is against contraceptives and abortion because it destroys communities and doesn’t allow for people to get married and create productive societies.

      • Steve

        I once got a girl (I should say woman as she was 34, while I was 24- go me) potentially present. She was going to take the morning after pill. Since I am anti-abortion and it is one of the strongest and surest convictions I have, in an attempt to talk her out of taking the morning after pill, I told her if she was pregnant I would marry her. I meant it too.

        However, these days I am not so sure that a man getting a woman pregnant would necessarily result in marriage, not to mention a stable and lasting marriage.

        There has to be additional cultural factors that encourage marriage and monogamy. They came from religion and some of those values are very much breaking down now. In the UK, a baby outside wedlock was a controversial thing only 50 years ago and not the done thing only 30 years ago. Now couples just don’t find it necessary to get married, even if they have a kid. And there are so many single parents and so little stigma about it that a guy saying ‘I’ll support the child but I don’t want to be with her’ is considered a decent attitude.

        The UK, bear in mind, is a far more irreligious society than America. Not many Christians around anymore.

        • Steve

          *I’ll support the child but I don’t want to be with the mum

        • Steve

          A counter argument to the vital importance of marriage given by my sister is that a stable couple having a child necessarily implies and involves long term commitment, so a piece of paper saying they are married is meaningless. Thoughts? Why is marriage important?

        • Steve

          *potentially pregnant!

        • Ishmael

          Good point Steve,

          But – since women have a lot more to lose during sex (pregnancy) you’ll see a lot less of this picky attitude displayed by women that weed out the betas. From my interpretation of the last 4 or so articles on this blog, TLDR: Betas/Omegas can’t get any and only a small alpha population have access. Without birth control, Women will go in relationships for the long term, because somebody has to care for the baby.

          However, if programs are overdone and gives women a sufficient safety net to fuck freely, we’ll create a society not unlike the urban ghettos in our cities.

        • Ishmael

          Like I’ve said in previous comments – that alpha label men will get will wither away too. Since a woman is risking a lot by sleeping with many men, she won’t be seen as a trophy. Alpha males want women that are hard to get (beautiful and picky) because it inspires envy amongst his peers. Just like how women are jealous if one of the gals is going out with Wayne Rooney.

        • Ishmael

          If birth control is out of the picture, people have two choices: marriage or saloon. We cannot change the human nature of envy or jealousy or alpha or beta. But since more women will be up for marriage, more men will have long lasting relationships. Men that simply want their physical needs met will go to a depraved whorehouse like old and not deal with that PUA chessgame nowadays (which keeps 80% of men out of the picture). Remember, whores have no social capital.

        • Steve

          Ishmael,

          what’s the point of advocating something that has no chance of happening. Contraception exists now and its not about to be abandoned..

          I get your point- woman are fucking alphas because they can do so with birth control and not get pregnant but if they were risking pregnancy, they’d be forced into a relationship with a beta.

          First problem with that is even in the age of contraception, most woman want and have kids. So why don’t they get into a relationship with a beta?

          Well, my answer to that is a lot of them do.

          “From my interpretation of the last 4 or so articles on this blog, TLDR: Betas/Omegas can’t get any and only a small alpha population have access.”

          Yeah but that’s not true, is it? What percentage of the population are alphas? 15% 20%? The fact is that a far higher percentage of men are in relationships. You see average looking guys with average looking girls all the time. Furthermore, a very large majority of men in their 20’s have had sex, in the UK and Europe at least.

          I just don’t believe this PUA mythology that only alpha males (whatever they are) are getting regular sex. Sure, they get the most woman but so what? The best looking, most confident guys get the most woman. Shock. Horror.

        • Ishmael

          I’m simply brainstorming solutions to the problems cited in the article, that is all. Robert is right.

          Banning abortion and contraceptives for unmarried couples is the only solution. The actual process of getting these things banned is a whole other debate. But it’s the only solution if we want this to stop.

          Birth control keeps women away from betas/omegas. The problem is that betas and omegas don’t get any because of it. Therefore, banning birth control is the solution.

          If you disagree, that’s fine. What other solutions are there? purdah? Disagree with the article, not my solid opinion on how to stop the problem.

        • Ishmael

          If Birth control is banned, betas will have a much better shot at getting in a relationship with a woman. As you noted, Steve.

        • Steve

          “Birth control keeps women away from betas/omegas. The problem is that betas and omegas don’t get any because of it. Therefore, banning birth control is the solution.

          If you disagree, that’s fine. What other solutions are there? purdah? Disagree with the article, not my solid opinion on how to stop the problem.”

          Your opinion on how to stop an imagined problem is of no interest to me.

          Its false that only alpha males are getting into sexual relationships with woman. Its just not true. Its not a matter of opinion.

          However, if it were true, you would have a smart idea, so some credit for that.

        • Bhabiji

          “A counter argument to the vital importance of marriage given by my sister is that a stable couple having a child necessarily implies and involves long term commitment, so a piece of paper saying they are married is meaningless. Thoughts? Why is marriage important?”

          I agree with you sister. There is no need for legal marriage but there is a need for a longterm stable commitment, for the sake of the children. Marriage was not invented for adults but for the sake of the children. Adults don’t *need* longterm relationships, kids do.

        • Ishmael

          Well, case closed if you disagree with the article. Can’t really agree to the solutions if you disagree with the whole concept. Like you, I want healthy relationships for all people. But those relationships are not healthy and not possible when birth control shifts the power dynamic to females.

          We disagree, that is all.

          You made some excellent points.

        • Bhabiji

          Alpha, beta, omega, schlomega. Men have it better than ever. Eat right, work out, get a hot bod with a tight, cute ass, learn some dance moves and you too can move out a few points on the 1-10 scale and attract younger, hotter, tighter women. Some smarts, a little humor and a hobby or two won’t hurt either. Its not rocket science, mate.

          What the f*ck are you complaining about?

        • Ishmael

          You don’t strike me as intelligent, sweetheart. Think of something more constructive to say. I smell penis envy from a mile away.

        • Steve

          Ishmael,

          interesting point about contraceptives giving more power to woman. I’m sure it has increased promiscuity and allowed woman to have more casual sex.

          However, if you doubt that a majority of men are getting laid, look into it. For example, look up what % men in their 20’s and 30’s are married and what % are unmarried but cohabiting. There are stats on these things if you look hard enough. Then consider all the others who are in relationships but not cohabiting. I bet you it adds up to a majority.

          There’s also research (for example, by condom companies) on average numbers of sexual partners people have had etc. Its not only 20% of men who are getting laid.

          It can be hard at times but make an effort with your appearance, exercise, get out and meet people, and you have a much better chance of meeting somebody and getting sex or a relationship. If you want to get laid, you would do better to listen to Bhabiji’s advice on this thread than the bitter theorizing of the MRM guys or whatever they are called.

        • Steve

          “I smell penis…… envy from a mile away.”

          Unfortunate choice of words.

        • Ishmael

          Well I’m married with a kid. I’m content. Look at my conversation with Beatrix earlier in the thread. I had plenty in terms of getting my needs met.

          Why does it have to revert to personal attacks like labeling people as omega if they have an honest opinion on the issue.

          I’m arguing how to create a stable, patriarchal society. We’re just scratching the surface. The problems are clearly set in the article. You disagree with it, I get it.

        • Bhabiji

          “It can be hard at times but make an effort with your appearance, exercise, get out and meet people, and you have a much better chance of meeting somebody and getting sex or a relationship. If you want to get laid, you would do better to listen to Bhabiji’s advice on this thread than the bitter theorizing of the MRM guys or whatever they are called.”

          BINGO!

          Men have never had it better.

          Please read
          http://serpentus18.blogspot.com/2012/07/sexual-revolution-benefits-men-morethan.html

        • Ishmael

          Unfortunately, she’s not a rational debater. She’s not worthy enough to argue with unless she has something constructive to say.

        • Dota

          Yeah, I’m guessing Bhabi is autistic

        • Steve

          Ishmael,

          ‘Why does it have to revert to personal attacks like labeling people as omega if they have an honest opinion on the issue.’

          Since a solid majority of young men are getting laid and practically all of them have some sexual experience, people sometimes make an understandable assumption that the ones who are complaining that nobody is getting laid are not getting laid themselves and are bitter about it.

          “The problems are clearly set in the article. You disagree with it, I get it.”

          I never said I disagreed with everything in the article. I’m actually interested by this idea from Robert:

          “And my observation is that in patriarchal societies, both males and females are very happy in their respective roles. This is because men want to be masculine and women want to be feminine.”

          I think there might be something to this.

          What I was disagreeing with to you was the claim that beta males are not getting laid while alpha males are taking all the woman. There’s no need for us to argue about this. We can just find out. Its a hypothesis that can be checked and disproved.

          Or don’t even check. Just think about it. If the top 20% of men had access to 100% of woman, why would they bother having sex with the bottom 40%? They could spend all their days banging top 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60% of woman. That leaves 40% of woman for other men.

          If you want to make a realistic sounding claim that will be taken half seriously, at least say that the bottom 30% or 40% or 50% of men are not getting laid. You might be able to use this to convince people of your ideology for a little while, til they realize that’s probably bullshit too, or at least its not for the reason you are saying.

          FYI, the one place I know of where a quite a large percentage of young guys are not getting laid is Japan. Isn’t Japanese family life more patriarchal than in the west?

    • Gay State Girl

      “Block Birth Control/abortion to unmarried couples or allow abortion in cases of rape.”

      We’re just getting started. The male birth control has just been approved; it will help withg curbing a man’s sexual appetite as well as protecting against unwanted preganancies and all that comes with it. And you know what happens whenever the government tries to ban a product in high demand.

      • Ishmael

        How about letting mother nature do its job. How about…nothing? No abortion, no birth control, no estrogen injections, nothing. How about promoting healthy, long lasting marriages and create stable children.

        Sex should be seen as risky behavior. Birth control is the root of the problem and the reason why ‘betas and omegas’ don’t get any. Ha, ha.

        http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/19/media19/2012/Jul/22/LiveLeak-dot-com-68d603ed2ffe-classic_jim_james_holmes_adult_profile.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad3954845d2df6d95&ec_rate=300

        • Gay State Girl

          The male birth control pill can help betas and omegas as well. Prevent them from being temporarily distracted by slutty women, so that they can become more desirable mates to others.

        • Ishmael

          How about not messing with nature?

          male birth control would not help because betas and omegas will still ejaculate on their hands.

          Poor argument – think of something better.

          Banning birth control, abortion will CHANGE the whole social dynamic. Male birth control changes nothing. Look at above comments from the beginning of the thread to see why and how.

        • Bhabiji

          Ishmael, you are a sexual marxist. I am a sexual venture capitalist. Ne’er the twain shall meet. Now head to the gym so you don’t have to whine here anymore about not getting any. We women like tight, cute asses. Magic Mike FTW! Although they should have put Idris Elba in the lead role. Hot damn that chocolate is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioooooonnnne!

        • AK

          Banning birth control and contraceptives is bad because while it will improve the relative standing of betas (the building blocks of civilization) it will also increase the percentage of births to lower-IQ people who have low self-restraint and future time orientation. It will thus increase already catastrophic dysgenic trends. We don’t want that.

          The very first thing I will start is an all out campaign against obesity. Stop corn subsidies. Ban fat acceptance groups as extremist. Inculcate correct attitudes towards them, i.e. shaming. A big part of the reason why female sexual power is so huge today over beta males is that something like half of American femdom is out of the dating pool because they are fat. This means that the other half can act like they’re hot shit, even when they don’t have anything to them apart from 6-ish looks.

          Another necessary step would be to defend the Women’s Studies departments and purge academia of useless ideologues in general. Wage an ideological war against gender feminism in general.

        • AK

          “Defend”? *ugh* Defund, is what I meant to say. Hope that wasn’t a Freudian slip revealing my inner beta…

        • Ishmael

          Obesity is a problem, but it’s not linked to the issue here. I kind of see where you’re going with this. Elaborate a bit more, because I don’t see the link. Other than improving your looks to become alpha (it’s more in the attitude for men.)

          Stupid people are having babies at a much higher rate NOW, with contraceptives flooded. Trust me, ghettos have access to plenty of free condoms. Stupid people breed more. I’m in favor of eugenics – totally unrelated to the topic though.

          No birth control or abortion essentially forces women into a patriarchal society. They can no longer use their pussy as a carrot on a stick, and the betas will be in stable relationships and women will not have the ‘freedom’ to go overboard in the fucking department. Sorry, it’s biology, ladies. X # of eggs, 9 months pregnancy means long lasting relationships are important to your survival. And betas are great at long lasting relationships. In the meantime, once married, men can stop worrying about pussy and get some work done.

          Your last paragraph is spot on, AK.

          Thanks,finally some fresh ideas to work with – someone’s thinking!

        • Bhabiji

          @AK, “The very first thing I will start is an all out campaign against obesity. Stop corn subsidies. Ban fat acceptance groups as extremist. Inculcate correct attitudes towards them, i.e. shaming. A big part of the reason why female sexual power is so huge today over beta males is that something like half of American femdom is out of the dating pool because they are fat. This means that the other half can act like they’re hot shit, even when they don’t have anything to them apart from 6-ish looks. ”

          Been reading Roosh’s “Fat Girl Jihad” site, have we?

          http://www.fatgirljihad.com

          Allah HO Akbar!

      • Bhabiji

        GSG the male pill was invented decades ago and rejected because the men it was tested on, or who were interviewed as a sample study of whether it would be marketable were worried that it would mess with their ability to be fertile at a later date when they actually wanted kids. They felt it would compromise their “manhood” somehow.

        If attitudes have since changed, that’s a good thing. And if it will curb male sexual desire, as it the female pill curbs ours, then that too might be a good thing…… or not, depending.

        • Ishmael

          Feminists altering nature. Brilliant! You guys need to step back and realize men and women are biologically different. Women always had a lot more to lose for sex, because of children, because of the number of eggs they can produce. etc. etc. It’s incredible how draconian these changes have to be. Is it so hard to accept that nature did it right? Do we have to deal with all this birth control nonsense for men and women? How about accepting nature and creating productive societies?

          Madness.

      • Bhabiji

        Ishmael, its men who want the male pill. It will benefit them.

        Now off to the gym!

  20. Bhabiji

    The latest thing to send the “Manosphere” into a tizzy is Steven Soderberg’s latest film “Magic Mike” about a group of hot, sexy, buff young male strippers. Heaven forbid their imaginary wives and girlfriends take pleasure in a little eye candy every once in a while.

    Instead of seeing this movie as a boon, “gee, I too can eat right, work out, get a hot bod, learn some dance moves and become eye candy for my imaginary partner and random women in public” , these guys are whining about “objectification” and how this will “set unrealistic standards for women in men” and “create body image issues” for men.

    Bwahahahahhahahahahahahha!

  21. Bhabiji

    “Someone is *Going* to Rule – Either Men or Women, Take Your Pick”

    I pick me.

  22. Bhabiji

    Attention Bobby Ji, about “creeps” please read here. As usual crackas need to be schooled on women by brothas

    http://verysmartbrothas.com/the-difference-between-appreciation-and-objectification/

  23. Dave Coe

    One thing I will say is we do not live in a Matriarchy. I used to believe so but the men at top you refer to as Alpha Males are using feminism to keep down the common man the same way they use the diversity stuff to keep down the white prolitariate.

  24. Bhabiji

    Ishmael, I don’t know where or how you were brought up, or where you are living now, but banning the condom and other forms of birth control, as well as abortion won’t change anything here in the US, Canada and Western Europe, for the reasons that Steve gave about UK. Having a child without being married is not stigmatized in mainstream Western cultures at all. Women will continue to choose whomever they want to have sex with (provided those men want to have sex with them too) and get pregnant with no sense of shame. It happens all the time now so that won’t change in the future.

    The best bet for what you term “beta” (by the way, beta is Hindi for son, heh, how appropos, all things about Desi guys considered), and “omega” guys is to do what millions of them are doing already – self-improvement, self-empowerment. Move on up the 1-10 scale and make yourselves attractive to the women you want. That’s what “game” is all about. Most PUA gurus of 5-10 years ago have moved into the general self-help genre. Improving themselves for the purpose of getting laid or getting a girlfriend has segued into improving themselves in general, for the sake of a higher quality life, and when people do that, you general find that people becoming attracted to them anyway.

    Like attracts like.

    • Bhabiji

      In addition one would think that women with higher education, money and stable homes would be the ones most likely to have kids without husbands but that is not the case. It is more often younger, poorer women and often kids themselves (teens) who do this. So the argument that the costs, financial and otherwise, would prevent women from having sex and babies out of wedlock with whomever they please, if abortion and contraceptions were banned is not true. They have access to abortion, and they have access to birth control, and the costs of a having a baby are huge to these women, and yet they still go ahead and do it, at very high rates.

      • Ishmael

        I know it will be hard to completely change our culture. It will be hard to ban birth control and abortion. Feminism is entrenched into our culture for the last fifty years. But none of us really have the power to change laws here; I’m just looking for the causative agents of this revolution.

        What is this creep thing Robert is talking about? You define it for me. I thought creep=beta. You’re saying that guy deserved to be fired for asking a girl out but was rejected because he was a creep (beta)?

        I’m simply giving my opinion why and how this labeling started. Ofcourse some playboys were better than others throughout time, but this labeling is pretty extreme now. Plenty of examples. I claim it’s because of abortion and birth control because it gives women too much freedom from male sexual control. I’m debating that those are the causitive agents from a social level that cause this feminist control in the first place.

        I’m just pinpointing on an issue. Aside from AK, I HAVE NOT SEEN any specifics from commenters regarding this issue. Not one. Nobody can explain to me why this feminism is so prevalent and not 100 years ago.

        Jeesh, I know it’s impractical in this day and age. Mom’s from Sweden and I was born and raised in Connecticut. And I know down trodden betas should go ahead and improve themselves. That’s what I did – mostly through not looking like a slob, having some spending money and not meekly standing in the background with a dixie cup like 90% of everybody else. But that is not the point of these articles, not at all. We’re talking about something much larger.

        • Bhabiji

          Ishmael, birth control pills are a hellofalot cheaper in South Asia as well as available over the counter at corner pharmacies for a mere 1 ruppee per pill, at least in India, yet India does not have a baby momma epidemic, not anywhere close. Abortion is also very easy to obtain, and is mostly utilized by married women (google “sex selective abortions” its not pretty). Birth control and abortion are patronized by married women in that culture.

          Here in the US birth control and abortion are patronized by educated and affluent women, while poorer women who are the ones to suffer the most by having unprepared for kids are the exact ones to have those kids.

          In short, your entire premise is wrong.

          I don’t know what your whole “creeps=betas” thing is about. Drop the alpha/beta dichotomous lingo because there is no definitive definition of either in the “manosphere” from which you are borrowing it. Alpha and beta means simply whatever random commenter decides it means at any given moment, for them.

          “You’re saying that guy deserved to be fired for asking a girl out but was rejected because he was a creep (beta)?”

          I have no idea to what you are referring here.

          Different companies have different rules and I suppose some have a “no asking co-workers out on dates” rule. If that’s the case one would be wise to review all the rules of a company before deciding to work there.

        • Ishmael

          Lose the lower classes get more babies thing, that’s not what I’m getting at.

          I’ve never been to India, but women know their place. I assume they’re more submissive than women here. It has to do more with income inequality and prejudices with women in the workplace, I assume. Religion too. They don’t really have the safety net, and need a man. They have lower divorce rates, I assume. America and Europe has passed
          that. With sperm banks and abortion it perpetuates an amoral culture.

          No problem with married couples using abortion – good for India (!).

        • Bhabiji

          sex selective abortions are not “good”. and they are not decided upon by “the couple”. in india there is no “couple”.

        • mott 69

          Q: Ballba Goo- Why do youse make sense some time & not otherS?

        • Dota

          Ishmael

          I’ll admit your contraceptive/birth control argument is fairly interesting and I recall a feminist Prof of mine would often say:”never underestimate the power of the pill.” She did not elaborate on it as you have done. I’m not sure what to make of your theory, but I will say it merits some serious thought. You;re observations on India are also correct and once again Bhabi ignorantly assumes that the cultural dynamics of the States can be applied to reading India

  25. Diablo

    Wait a minute…there are actual people who don’t realize that asking co-workers for sex at work is incredibly inappropriate and grounds for sexual harassment?

    This site his HILARIOUS!!!

  26. @ Steve
    Anyone who spent most of their childhood with a conniving and emotionally abusive stepmother would attest that there is nothing such as ‘altruistic motherly love’. Mother’s love is just a biological drive drive coupled with the attachment that people have for a cause or object when they invest a lot of time, effort or money to realise it (a psychological phenomenon).
     
    Coming to the issue, the biggest problem with female rule is not the supposedly inherent amorality of women per se, but that radical feminism fosters a sense of personal irresponsibility, which as Dota explained, comes from a victim mentality. When people see themselves as perpertual victims, they see whatever they heap on their supposed oppressors as morally and ethically justified. Most radical feminists go around with an attitude that men perpetually owe women with ‘what they had to put up for centuries’ as if the men of today are reborn from the men of yesteryears, just to fulfill this ‘debt’.

    • Steve

      @ Atheist Indian

      with all due respect, how would somebody who spent most of their childhood with a conniving and emotionally abusive stepmother know anything about motherly love?

      Ask somebody who spent their childhood with a mother absolutely devoted to their welfare at any cost.

      A good mother has such compassion for her child that she would take the child’s pain and suffering onto herself if she could, even if the child’s pain were extreme, nay, especially if the child’s pain were extreme. She would die for her child. She would go through any stress and danger to secure the welfare of her child.

      Its is a psychological phenomenon that is experienced in the universe, I guess, but that doesn’t devalue it. It is an incredibly powerful force.

      If your heart opens and you experience love purely, it is unconditional, blissful and devoid of fear. You can philosophize about the kind of universe we live in and whether or not its possible but I felt it once. It wasn’t an ordinary experience, for me anyway.

      But don’t listen since you’ve got it all worked out.

      • Steve

        It is an intense feeling of affection and cherishing others. Quite wonderful. If you felt like that, you could forgive other people for hurting you, only with thought for their welfare.

        • Steve

          and you probably wouldn’t call somebody an absolute dickhead like I did on the other page. I seem to have adopted an eye for an eye philosophy on the internet and I hit back instead of listening to the better angels of my nature.

        • Steve

          ‘instead of listening to the better angels of my nature.’ well the higher ethical teachings anyway.

  27. Having said that, I am all right with female rule as long as they females in question have good personal integrity, character and sense of responsibility. These qualities, from what I have observed, are pretty much gender-neutral. Most men, in my observation have as much a tendency to be amoral as women, if given a free rein. The best example would be the Hindu mainland India, which is rife with corruption and a general lack of ethical behaviour, which is often defended and justified using circular reasoning and ‘karmic’ docrines.
     
    I also don’t think that the dystopia of ‘female rule’ is likely, considering that women getting to rule the world or any society without any transformation in the balance of power, is unlikely. A lot of traditional matriarchal societies in are moving towards patriarchial setups, as a sign of ‘progress’, if not necessity.

    • Having said that, I am all right with female rule as long as they females in question have good personal integrity, character and sense of responsibility.

      Any woman ruling with good personal integrity, character and sense of responsibility would for all intents and purposes be ruling *as a man*.

      Also, Female Rule doesn’t mean females in power politically. It means whose ideas are going to rule society – the ideas and ways of thinking of men or the ideas and ways of thinking of women? Female rule means the ideas and ways of thinking of women come to dominate society.

      Which, frankly, is a total catastrophe.

  28. As we can see with patriarchal, male dominated governments, it is men’s fierce competitive instinct that dictates how men behave when they rule. In matriarchal, female dominated governments, it will be women’s nurturing instincts that will determine how a female government will behave. Because of women’s maternal instincts, the main focus of any matriarchal government will be children. No female dominated government will want to see any child in the country they rule, live in poverty and ignorance. They will devote more of the resources of the country into caring for children, than any patriarchal government, which means maternal care and education will take priority over other aspects of government spending.

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