Who Hates the European Christians More – Hindus or Muslims?

Mohit writes:

“RL: If Whites were so horrible and evil for India, then why don’t Indian Muslims and Sikhs hate the West too? They don’t; it’s a Hindu thing. By the same token, if Indian Muslims are so evil, then why don’t Sikhs hate Muslims too? ”

So you need a proof that Indian Muslims hate the West? OK.. Here it is..

“Mumbai: Although the US has withdrawn the military course that was instigating anti-Islamic sentiments among military officers, anger among Muslims over the issue is growing in India. Raza Academy, an organization of Barelevi Muslims, conducted a protest demonstration against the US for the idea of bombing Mecca and Madina, the holy cities of Muslim world.

The protestors also expressed concern at the silence of Saudi Government over the issue.”

Yes, Muslims do hate the “war on Islam” crowd, but as I am not part of that crowd, it’s no big deal.

Well, we have Dota on here. He’s very pro-Christian and pro-West, and he’s an Indian Muslim. Also we have some Pakistani Muslims in my town, and they are the friendliest South Asians around here. Every encounter I have had with South Asian Muslims and Muslims in general has been quite positive.

I also have or had some Pakistani Muslim friends, including one female. She didn’t really hate the West at all, except she felt the US was attacking Islam. She had no general beef against infidels, the West or Christians.

I have also made friends with some Afghani, American, Yemeni, Egyptian, Moroccan, Indonesian, Thai, Turkish and Palestinian Muslims. Pretty much nothing but good times and good vibes all around.

Although some of the Pallies did throw me out of their friendship circle accusing me of being an Israeli spy LOL. They were extremely radical and to be honest, they were not even Muslims at all. They were ultraradical Palestinian Communists.

Also, I fought it out a bit with a South African White guy, an anti-Semite and convert to Islam. He was a Salafist, and he accused me of hating Muslims or something.

I have never known any Al Qaeda or radical Islamist types who hated Christians, infidels or the West. I’m sure they exist. Just never met any.

However, I should edit to say that after I published the Mohammed cartoons, I got a couple of phone calls from Muslims that could have been seen as death threats. I did not worry too much about them.

Generally, with Muslims, if you don’t hate them, are kind and good to them are not on board with the war on Islam crowd, they are very friendly to you. Like most people, they don’t take too kindly to being attacked. I always make it clear that I am not down with the war on Islam crowd, and they are generally quite friendly to me.

Your average Muslim always struck me as a fairly moderate type, males and females included.

Indian Hindus have far more hatred for the West, Europeans and Christianity than all the Muslims I have known put together. Really there is no comparison.

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97 responses to “Who Hates the European Christians More – Hindus or Muslims?

  1. Dota

    Non South Asian Muslims have no beef against the west but resent the war on Islam as you correctly pointed out. As far as South Asians are concerned, I believe that most of them resent the west, regardless of religion. The only reason Indian Muslims don’t seem to resent the west is because they are relentlessly targeted by the forces of Hindutva and hence their energies are spent resenting Hindus instead of the west. But give these South Asian Muslims some space and they’re as nationalist as any Hindu patriotard. BAG once pointed out that he had a Muslim Bangladeshi friend who was completely into the “”India = supreme civilization”” crap. From my experience, the wealthier and more secure the Indian Muslim is, the more nationalist and anti-west he becomes.

    • Bay Area Guy

      BAG once pointed out that he had a Muslim Bangladeshi friend who was completely into the “”India = supreme civilization”” crap. From my experience, the wealthier and more secure the Indian Muslim is, the more nationalist and anti-west he becomes.

      Spot-on, Dota. By his own admission, the family of this Bangladeshi Muslim friend of mine (although, to clarify, he is not actually a practicing Muslim) was the elite/bourgeoisie back in Bangladesh.

      His family seems to be very economically privileged, to the point where they had absolutely no problem with him taking off several years from college, even though he only was ready to graduate (as an undergrad!) by the time he was near 30 years old. Can’t imagine too many other desi families would be cool with letting their kid finish their undergraduate education by the time he’s in his late 20s.

      Don’t get me wrong, he’s generally a cool, loyal, and generous friend, and he and I got along well on a personal level.

      I just couldn’t stomach some of his “India is the greatest civilization, Europeans just ripped everyone off” crap. I mostly held my tongue when he went on those rants, but every now and then I mildly rebutted him.

      Also, if you look at the profiles of many Muslim terrorists, they tend to come from the wealthy and bourgeois segments of their home countries, and tend not be even really practice the religion of Islam. My desi friend in many ways fits the profile of a terrorist, LOL. Young, bourgeois, educated, non-religious Muslim.

      But of course, a few angry rants notwithstanding, he’s definitely not the violent anti-West terrorist type.

      • “My desi friend in many ways fits the profile of a terrorist, LOL. Young, bourgeois, educated, non-religious Muslim.”

        That is a very good point. Religious people from any religion like Hinduism, Muslims, Christians and Sikhism can never go to extreme. They are mostly good-hearted people with ‘don’t-care-what-others-worship’ attitude.The intellectuals, rich and educated types who want to be the savior of their religion are the one who become terrorists. Take the case of Osama. Rich, educated, non-religious and became a pain for the whole world.

        • prashant

          ”Take the case of Osama. Rich, educated, non-religious and became a pain for the whole world.”
          He was a leader merely, consider who were those people driven by him then you will understand from where real ‘extreme’ come from.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Apologies for a a few grammar mistakes. It’s sometimes hard not to make mistakes when you write such a long post.

  2. Well, I gave proofs and evidence. If that is not enough. I can’t seem myself succeeding in convincing you that Hindus hate west as much as Muslims do. No more no less.

    As I provided evidences, I would also request you to give evidences on you claim that Hindus are full of hatred for Christians and West.

    I am sure, you won’t find many.

    See, its a country of 1 Billion people and unfortunately is a democracy. There may be some people and organization which may have some misinformed disliking towards west for cultural and economical reason but as far as average Hindu is concerned, they really don’t even think about hating anyone other than Pakistan for obvious reasons.

    • The Hindutvadi philosophy is based on hatred for the European Christian West. The Indian nationalist philosophy is based also on hatred for the European Christian West. Most Hindu intellectuals I have known really hate Christians and Christianity and they really hate “the White man.”

      I think this is all about British colonialism, but I am not sure. For sure, they think that Dharmic India is superior to the European Christian West.

      The Hindus who feel this way were all intellectuals. I do not know how your average Hindu feels.

      • First thing first.

        There is no such thing as “Hindutvadi”. Its should Either be “Hindutva” or “Hindutva-Vadi” or Simply Hinduism. Just like we say “Atank-Vadi” to refer to ‘Terrorist’.

        Let me explain you this in detail. Which is the biggest Hindutva or Hindu-Nationalist organisation in India. RSS. I hope you have heard this name before. Some Muslims consider it a terrorist organization.

        if you say that Hindutva philosophy is based on the hatred of European Christian west than leader of this organization must be hating west and Christians. But that’s not the case. Yes there are some clashes because of conversion issues but that doesn’t necessarily extrapolate in to any hate towards west or Christians as such.

        British colonialism is just 200 years old but Hindutva or Hinduism has been there for thousands of year at least. So Hindutva or Hinduism can not be the outcome of British Colonialism. In any way when British came in to India It had a Muslim Rule. So by your logic Muslims should hate west more than Hindus. Right?

        My average Hindu is very humble, God-fearing, a bit conservative, family loving and hard working person, who generally respect and accept all religions and generally adore western countries for their economical success. He is no doubt proud of his heritage and culture. But respect other cultures also. But there is no way he would hate west or Christians until he has some personal bitter experience.

        On the other hand, Indian leftist s are the ones who simply hate America and west.

        • Bhabiji

          “On the other hand, Indian leftists are the ones who simply hate America and west.”

          Mohit is right. To the leftist, or cultural marxist, America and “the imperial west” represents “the white man” who all us POCs, “people of color” are supposed to rally against in a common cause, as if the amount of melanin in one’s skin is enough create solidarity.

          This is taught in leftist academia as identity politics.

        • @ Mohit Gupta and Bhabiji
          Bullshit. My alma mater was a bastion of leftist movements in India and in my three years there, I never encountered a single instance where racial identity politics was played.
           
          Most of my left leaning professors were actually very positive of the British Raj, which they felt has been unfairly vilified by Indian nationalists in the Congress and BJP. The socio-political issues discussed were very India centric, there wasn’t any dimension to play the racial identity politics that you speak of. If the US was (ever) discussed, it was in light of the American neo-imperial foreign policy and its economic practice of predatory capitalism.
           
          Both of you self satisfied ignoramuses are utterly clueless about what Marxism is about or what kind of politics is played by the Indian left. Hell, you idiots actually believe Congress is a left wing party. I feel rather sad for the two villages who have been deprived of their (potential) idiots.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Most of my left leaning professors were actually very positive of the British Raj, which they felt has been unfairly vilified by Indian nationalists in the Congress and BJP.

          Interesting.

          I guess the West can be more anti-West than the non-Western world at times.

          Needless to say, I don’t think any white professor in a Western country would dare say come out and publicly say that British rule over India was a positive development.

        • Atheist Indian,

          “Most of my left leaning professors were actually very positive of the British Raj, which they felt has been unfairly vilified by Indian nationalists in the Congress and BJP. ”

          That’s another evidence of hypocrisy of Indian leftist. All are self-hating creature just like you.

          ” If the US was (ever) discussed, it was in light of the American neo-imperial foreign policy and its economic practice of predatory capitalism.

          I think that’s waht we are talking about and you prove my point, thanks. We were not talking about the race-based disliking but socio-economic policy based disliking. But its too much for your anti-Indian brainwashed mind.

          “Both of you self satisfied ignoramuses are utterly clueless about what Marxism is about or what kind of politics is played by the Indian left. Hell, you idiots actually believe Congress is a left wing party. I feel rather sad for the two villages who have been deprived of their (potential) idiots.”

          The kind of politics Indian leftist play is disgusting. I don’t need another self-hating Indian leftist to know that. You guys were those who opposed nuclear deal with US. Congress need not to add “marxist’ or “maoist” or “communist” to their name to prove that they are leftist. That reflects in their character and action.

          I feel happy for the village who are saved from a self-hating ignorant like you.

          Its all stated now and balanced.

        • “Needless to say, I don’t think any white professor in a Western country would dare say come out and publicly say that British rule over India was a positive development.”

          It happens only in India because Indian leftist are self-flagellating and Anti-US people.

        • @ Mohit Gupta
          “That’s another evidence of hypocrisy of Indian leftist.”
          It is a sign of security, more than anything else. The profs are secure enough to criticise the British on a neutral level rather than the “the goras looted us!!!” identity politics that INC and BJP plays with. The British did contribute a lot, in terms of civilising the cow belt Hindus and developing the infrastructure of the whole region. Only a desi with a racial inferiority complex would deny it.
           
          “…but socio-economic policy based disliking.”
          So where does identity politics come in here? Perhaps you and your Hindutva ilk should have been a bit more coherent.
           
          “You guys were those who opposed nuclear deal with US.”
          I didn’t. Left wing politics, like any other poltical school of though is flexible and varied – to reflect actual human thoughts and ideals on the subject. Just because a bunch of Kolkata Marxists oppose something doesn’t mean I do or I care. Politics mirrors human nature, which is perhaps way too fluid and diverse for your desi engineering mind to grasp or understand.

        • Bhabiji

          “The British did contribute a lot, in terms of civilising the cow belt Hindus”

          Rubbish! The cow belt is the bastion of the joint family living structure and those lallus never individuate from their mothers, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Atheist or othewise.

          “civilized” my ass. its sexist as hell.

        • @ Mohit Gupta
          “It happens only in India because Indian leftist are self-flagellating and Anti-US people.”
          I am actually against several neo-imperialist and neo-liberal aspects of the US economic and foreign politicies. But that doesn’t translate to a hatred or dislike of the Americans, since I understand that US politics =! US people.

          However, I can see how a mind that operates on 1.5 volt battery power sums it up.

          Indo-US Nuclear Deal.

          Mark US.

          QED

          Against Indo-US Nuclear Deal = Anti-US

          As for self-flagellating, I wouldn’t even comment. I prefer to think of white people as people like the rest of humanity while North Indian blokes like you categorise white people on a different level of humanity altogether. Which probably explains why you resent it if someone has something nice to say about Brits, because in the deep recesses of your subconscious, white people have already been put too high on the pedastal.
           
          I read your blog and it appears that you care way too much into what random ‘goris’ think of you, your culture and your country.
           
          @ Bhabiji
          ““civilized” my ass. its sexist as hell”
          Hindu cultural problem. Prohibiting Sati and the uniform code of law was the British contribution to civilisation while sorting out your family dynamics is your perjorative.

        • *Prohibiting Sati and codifying a uniform code of law

        • Random Gori

          If you’d like to read more of Mohit Gupta’s poorly written idiotic rants on random Goris & his clueless viewpoints on a few other issues, check it out here-

          http://aryabhoomi.wordpress.com/

          He’s your typical boy from Uttar Pradesh!

        • “The British did contribute a lot, in terms of civilising the cow belt Hindus and developing the infrastructure of the whole region. Only a desi with a racial inferiority complex would deny it.”

          You racist ! Only a anti-Indian self-hater like you would be happy to accept this. I am no harldliner nationalists but if you say that British ‘civilised’ Indians then I would have to say that Indians are doing well in civilizing North Eastern tribes so much so that one is even fighting the election for President.

        • “I read your blog and it appears that you care way too much into what random ‘goris’ think of you, your culture and your country.”

          Only my dick would care. It’s first and only post of such nature on my Blog. Please have neutral look at your blog which is so prejudiced against Hindus in particular. Baat karta hai..!!!

        • “So where does identity politics come in here? Perhaps you and your Hindutva ilk should have been a bit more coherent.”

          Though you like to call youself ATHIEST but you behave hardline muslim and call anyone who disagree with you “HINDUTVA-VADI” without even knowing the meaning of the term.

          OK. So I am hindutva-vadi because I am born Hindu. Now how does thae make me bad. I respect all. I live my life with honesty. I help poor. I don’t explode myself or I don’t spread hatred for any.

          If you are proud to be an athiest, I am proud to be a Hindutva-Vadi. Simple.

        • Yes, Mohit is pretty much a Hindutvadi. He also says that anyone who is a Hindu is a Hindutvadi. That is a very interesting question. However, I have met some Western neo-Hindus who definitely are not Hindutvadis in any way, shape or form. And I have met some Indian Hindus who were not really Hindutvadis, but they did not practice their religion much as they told me. “We are not very good Hindus,” is what they said. Very upper middle class types.

        • Let me tell you a little anecdode Guptaji. Yesterday was the first of a couple of days break from work, so I decided to take my girlfriend up on a train ride in my homeland. (A land whose beauty and humanity I like to show off. So much for self-hate).
           
          To save time, we flew to Dimapur (Nagaland) and then took a morning express train to to my hometown in Upper Axom. Once the train entered Mariani, I was struck by a something I have forgotted how it was like. Unlike the railway stations in the Hindi belt, there was no litter, no strench and absolutely no filth of humanity that is common in your Hindi speaking paradise. It was clean stations after clean stations, with clean trains cruising through scenic tea gardens with the misty Naga hills in the backdrop. No gawking, leering groups of ape like males ‘undressing’ my girlfriend with their eyes, no moralists trying to dictate what she wear or how she should behave and no one to ask me if we are married (and draw judgements from my answer).
           
          My hometown, the bastion of the ULFA and anti-Hindi riots of 90s, has spotlessly clean streets. Women walked around – alone and unmolested and there was no slum or beggars in sight – the neglect of the Union of India notwithstanding.

          Now tell me, what have you got to civilise us with? As I said before, it isn’t an act of charity that the BJP backs PA Sangma. If the BJP had a choice, P.A. Sangma would have gone like the last presidential candidate from Meghalaya, Prof. G.G.Swell.

      • prashant

        An average hindu never ‘hates’ any specifics of European Culture (because if he does, there regularly exists hindutvavadi driven hate crimes against christian, but yes he obviously takes over precautions and criticizes where different ideologies conflict with his own sacred beliefs which he thinks to be based upon non violence principles and some rooted values (may be superstitious but due to ‘suspension of disbelief’ they don’t care for it well).I don’t mean to say that every hindu holds that ideal degree of patience of non violence, so some people lose it before.There is propaganda of hindutvavadi leaders to expand attitude of dislike west or otherwise islamic caliphate for its own or social religious political interests in hindu supremacy in india as it is land of hindus but certainly not for hate purpose.

        • prashant

          Hindus were under oppression from Muslims for ten centuries. In their own country they were treated as second class citizens. The British gave the Hindus their self-respect back. Under the British, Hindus thrived. They felt that finally they were living in their own country again. So why shouldn’t they have co-operated with the British

      • NW IndiaN

        yes we do hate you that you are correct we hate white people who also altered the bible scriptures in Christianity which is a non white religion . ashkenazis khazars are not true jews semites are not white. whites are devils

      • puneet


        well many of us certainly hate christianity and the crimes it committed on “heathens/pagans” i.e. on us hindus. how those who murdered us brought inquisition on us are “saints” of christianity. christian proselytizers are creating demographic changes in many parts of rural india where the population is poor and uneducated to see beyond the lies of christianity.
        u might not know this but we have christian insurgents in north eastern india.
        as far as hatred for europeans is considered,it is baseless. most of us actually admire the great work free thinkers of europe have done.

  3. Bhabiji

    I’m not fond of Christianity or Islam but I do like individual christians and muslims.

    Do I like “the west”? I like the world and the west is in it so why not? I love to travel and there’s something I like about everywhere I go.

    So Bobby, in your view am I an “Indian nationalist” “Hindu nationalist” or “Hindutvadi”?

  4. Ishmael

    Internal divisions between India aside (no comment on that), both Hindus and Muslim Pakistanis are anti-US to a far higher degree compared to other Muslim nationalities. In fact, many older Afghans blame the incursion of Pakistani influence on their ranks as a plague.

    The Taliban were pretty much propped up by the Pakistani government to stop the emergence of a Pashtunistan nation that was going to take away Pashtun lands in Pakistan. It goes back to the Durand Line debate. Pakistanis also harbored Bin Laden and routinely work with radical Islamic groups.

    I believe this hatred for whites come from the Mother-land itself. It’s a sick evolution.

    The Pakis I have met personally in the US are westernized and are an ambitious people. I have a close Paki friend, and they’re fine people. But my friend in London begs to differ, telling me stories of ‘Sharia marches’, radical preachings and abuse of welfare. Most of the people in those marches are overwhelmingly Paki.

    • Bhabiji

      Ishmael, the paki muslims in the UK have been Saudi-ized. Plus that demographic is such that if you keep them separated and spread out over a large area, like in the States, they can be kept benign. But have them clustered in a small area like UK, they quickly ghettoize and radicalize. That’s why small European countries are having so much difficult with them but the US is not, yet.

      Bobby, you live in California right? What’s the latest with the Shaima Alawadi case? Where’s her daughter now? Anymore “million hijab marches”?

  5. Bhabiji

    And forget a “war on Islam”. They are not threatened by it, they thrive on that kind of attention, live for it in fact. What needs to, and is in fact happening, is a softening, new-age-ification of Islam. Remember, Islam is not a religion but a political ideology for one world government and one world culture. The only Muslims who practice it as a religion are those who mix it with other religions such as HInduism and other pre-Islamic practices. “Islamic syncretism” is the only way to prevent radicalization, Saudi-ization.

  6. India’s growth is inevitable: YES, because there is scope for development
    India can help contain China: Why should It?
    Tensions with Pakistan have eased: Yes and Not
    India will be a good global citizen: Perhaps: That is not needed.
    India will have serious power projection capabilities: Not required
    Hindu-Muslim tensions are history: Mostly, except some fundies
    India can be America’s most useful ally: It depends on America

  7. Aakash

    Robert

    Hindus may hate the European Christians but they are mostly limited to the upper caste. The other castes do not give a crap. To be fair, I am disgusted with Christians too: especially the bible thumping protestants. Most of them are a bunch of low IQ dumbasses anyways. And then they try to convert others. Its hilarious.

    The myth of Jesus or the Cult of Muhammed is no better than all the myths of Ramayana or Mahabharatha. It tickles me for people to claim that their religion is superior when in reality, nobody knows shit. Time to junk religion and move on.

    • Yes, the two Indians I knew and became friends with were both Brahmins. Their resentment against European Christians could only be described as extreme. But they were both good to me.

      • Aakash

        Robert

        I would resent the Christians too if every now and then, a bunch of them came to me and claimed that I am going to hell, Jesus is the only guy etc etc. Thankfully, that bullshit has not happened to me more than twice. I’ve always lived in the bible belt in the US (Houston and Atlanta) and it always strikes me as to how unreasonable Christians can be. Then I realize thats what you get out of “universal” religions. You will have your fair share of morons, imbeciles and just plain dumb mofos.

        But having said that, I think black Christians are incredibly cool. Simply because they do not have the arrogance that goes with a lot of whites here in the US. Christianity may well end up “saving” blacks all over the US: and be saved by them too!

        • Yeah but most Muslims, Sikhs and Buddhists don’t Christians. This Christian hating this is a Hindu thing. They hate Christians worse than Muslims hate infidels (which I have seen little evidence of frankly). Let me tell you, I know some Yemeni Muslims. They know I am a Christian, and they think that is really cool! They like it if you are religious, because then they figure they can convert you easier LOL since you are already religious. Muslims will respect a Christian much more than an atheist. At least you are a believer!

        • Bhabiji

          “But having said that, I think black Christians are incredibly cool. Simply because they do not have the arrogance that goes with a lot of whites here in the US.”

          You’ve to be fucking kidding.

          “Christianity may well end up “saving” blacks all over the US: and be saved by them too!”

          Oh lordy lord!

  8. AlanJ

    You Idiots are already in Hell. Nothing Smart about the West or Muslims. I am being very Honest here. I have proof. No Pity, No Mercy. I am from a place where there is no Time. Which means I know exactly what happens a Million years from now. Hindu Gods are infinitely smart. As I said No pity, you reap what you sow. Blabbering here ain’t changing the Truth.

    See ya all in Hell

  9. Barani

    How many acts of terrorism have been committed by upper caste Hindus against white xtians and compare with how many acts of terrorism have been committed by muslims against white xtians ?

    In the west, almost no violent crime is committed by upper caste Indians.
    Indian xtians are disliked much more than white xtians.

    We do like white neo-pagans

    • Those are Al Qaeda types attacking us here, and there have been only a few attacks on our soil except for 9-11. All attacks were by Al Qaeda types. I’ve never met a Muslim who supported Al Qaeda. I’ve hardly ever met one who hated the West.

      I have met and read stuff by MANY Indian Hindus who dislike the Euro-Christian West. To me, I FEEL that Indian Hindus hate me and my culture much worse than your average Muslim does.

      The Muslims in my town are FRIENDLY. They invite me to their mosque, sure to convert me, but still…

      I have met a few Hindus around here, and I didn’t like them all that much. As soon as you ask them anything about their culture or land, they get extremely weird and suspicious. And one couple were real Muslim haters. I wasn’t too impressed with that.

      • Bhabiji

        “The Muslims in my town are FRIENDLY. They invite me to their mosque, sure to convert me, but still…

        I have met a few Hindus around here, and I didn’t like them all that much. As soon as you ask them anything about their culture or land, they get extremely weird and suspicious. And one couple were real Muslim haters. I wasn’t too impressed with that.”

        Let’s address this. Orthodox Hindus can appear very stand-offish.

        Bobby, realize that many people who do not belong to one of the Abrahamic faiths are very suspicious of them because of the bullshit those religions pulled, endeavoring to wipe out all indigenous idol worshipping relgions from every corner of the globe, destroying cultures, and in many cases succeeding in doing just that. Islam and Christianity get no pass for me for this crap.

        That being said, because Hinduism is not a proselytizing system you want find us eager to invite you to our places of worship and make you into one of us. You should appreciate that!

        At the same time it can come off as unfriendly, closed, arrogant. I know what you mean.

        I do my part to make non-Hindu, non-South Asian men feel welcome 😉

        • Bhabiji

          Should be “you WON’T find us eager to invite you to our places of worship and make you one of us”

      • “I’ve never met a Muslim who supported Al Qaeda.”

        That’s a news for me. Because there are Osama supporters right here in India.

        • Well, here in the US, in general, you will never meet such a person. And I have met many Muslims online too. I cannot recall if I ever met a supporter of Al Qaeda in all my conversations with many, many Muslims. Of course Al Qaeda types would not talk to me anyway, I would imagine, and I don’t have much to do with Islamists.

        • You would never meet because they would never support Osama your face. Only when they have done their work you would know about them. I am not saying it about all Muslims but only for those who are real supportes of such teerorist group.

          David Hadley, Mastermind behind the 26/11 Mumbai Attacks, is an American of Pakistani Origin. He befriended son of one the dicrector in Bollywood. And gathered all the information about places in Mumbai where he could have attacked westerners. And he choose Taj Hotel, Oberai Hotel and Leopold cafe. All these places generally have large qauntity of westerners.

          The innocent son of Mahesh Bhatt got in to troubles because of him. He came to know only when this thing happened.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Headley

          And you say that we Hindus hate America/West/Etc..

        • I haven’t even met that many hardline Islamists here in the US. Nor have I run into many overseas either in my talking on the Net. I don’t think they are very common if you ask me. Your average Muslim is simply not a hardline Islamist. It’s that simple. They tend to be more like Dota. I’m serious.

      • Barani

        At a deep level, most Hindus are muslim haters, Some disguise it better
        There is a continuum of behaviors. At one end, are BJP voters, But even Congress voting Hindus will not rent to a muslim or let their daughter marry a muslim.

        If you look at Europe, you can compare Hindu behaviors to Muslim behaviors
        Hindus become educated middle class and non-criminal. Muslims commit 75% of all rapes in Europe. Pakistani muslims sexually groom hundreds of white girls in UK. All over Europe, muslims have created no-go zones / Eurabia for whites. Creating Eurabia is a muslim thing, and even non-Al-Qaeda types do it. No Hindu does that. Many Hindu and Sikhs even support BNP in UK, because it is anti-muslim.

        Hinduism Today is run by white neo Hindus and they are accepted as brahmins

        • Chachi

          “Hinduism Today is run by white neo Hindus and they are accepted as brahmins”

          LOL! Like who? While there are many white (and brown and black and yellow and a few red) people who are favorable to Hinduism, practicing some aspect of it (like our blogger Robert here and his Kundalini Yoga) or joining Hindu sects, WHO are the “white neo Hindus” who are “running” Hinduism????

        • Bhabhiji

          “Hinduism Today is run by white neo Hindus and they are accepted as brahmins”

          LOL! Like who? While there are many white (and brown and black and yellow and a few red) people who are favorable to Hinduism, practicing some aspect of it (like our blogger Robert here and his Kundalini Yoga) or joining Hindu sects, WHO are the “white neo Hindus” who are “running” Hinduism????

  10. Nikhil

    Robert,
    reading from all your posts it seems like your opinions are based on few experiences here and there. you need to travel more and meet more people before you judge them. I am not sure which hindus you are talking about that hate christians or anyone else!!
    it seems like you really hate everything Indian on this earth …lol!!

  11. Nikhil

    i was not talking abt the commenters here but Indians you meet in day to day life. it seems you happened to meet indians who are the minority when it comes to an opinion about the west/christianity. (or maybe i am too naive). Most Indians actually like the west and their standard of living (not necessarily their culture). otherwise you wouldn’t have so many Indians in the US or europe!

    • What we have here are Punjabis, some Pakistani Muslims and Christians and a very few Hindus. Mostly, they are not that nice. They are just businesslike. Some are friendly. Most of them won’t allow you to get to know them in any way whatsoever. They let you shop in their stores, but if you try to engage them in any conversations, especially about their country, they just shut it all down. They only want to be friendly with their own kind. They don’t want to get to know any of the rest of us at all.

      The anti-Western Indians are all online. However, most of the Indians here are fervent Indian nationalists. Even the Sikhs are! It’s pretty amazing really.

      Of all of them, the Subcon Muslims (around here, Pakistani Punjabis) are by far the friendliest.

      • Dota

        There is another reason why South Asians resent the Brits. Aakash said that it was primarily the upper castes that despised the west and he’s right. Hindutva, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, is a Brahmin movement. Its founders and ideologues were all Brahmin. The Brahmins, as I’ve pointed out in the past, despise the Brits and Afghans because every time a foreign power came to power, the Brahmins would lose their privilege. The other castes were not affected as much. The foreign rulers never recognized Brahmin supremacy. The lower Hindu castes were traditionally never anti Muslim or Anti Christian. These hostile attitudes have filtered their way to the lower castes via the Hindutva ideology, which is essentially Brahmin rage.

        Indian Muslims, like their Hindu neighbors, are also inclined towards ultra Nationalism and hence harbour a certain degree of anti west sentiment as well. There is however another reason they despise the Brits. Prior to British imperialism, the Muslims of the Subcon were a privileged minority. When the Brits arrived, they shut down the Moghuls and replaced Persian with English. This robbed Subcon Muslims of their literacy and political power. Again, these attitudes have filtered their way down to the average desi Muslim from his elites. Indians as a whole never resented British imperialism because they never possessed a common national consciousness. The Marathas couldn’t care less about what was happening to Mysore. It was every kingdom for itself.

        • “Hindutva, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, is a Brahmin movement. Its founders and ideologues were all Brahmin. The Brahmins, as I’ve pointed out in the past, despise the Brits and Afghans because every time a foreign power came to power, the Brahmins would lose their privilege. The other castes were not affected as much. The foreign rulers never recognized Brahmin supremacy. The lower Hindu castes were traditionally never anti Muslim or Anti Christian. These hostile attitudes have filtered their way to the lower castes via the Hindutva ideology, which is essentially Brahmin rage. ”

          Where did you study such mythological history.???

      • Bay Area Guy

        @ Dota

        Prior to British imperialism, the Muslims of the Subcon were a privileged minority.

        Another good point. My desi friend likewise wasted no time in mentioning that prior to British rule, the Mughal Empire had the largest GDP of any place in the world, and that for a while Muslims were on top.

        It’s a bit ironic. Despite the fact that these anti-West, post colonial types are the first to denounce white racism and depict any kind of white resentment as “privileged whine,” it seems that much of their rage against the West is itself a form of privileged whine, that is, they feel like the West prevents them from enjoying the economic and social prestige that their ancestors had previously enjoyed.

        I think Aijaz Ahmed (Pakistani Marxist) once made this point when criticizing Edward Said’s “Orientalism.”

        • Dota

          Aijaz Ahmed is Indian. Anyhow now that you bring him up, I think I’ll look into his critique of orientalism. My own views regarding the latter are somewhat mixed. While there is much truth in what Said says, post colonial theory still offers few creative solutions to the issues faced by third world nations.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Hmm, I think he was born in India, but moved to Pakistan along with his parents.

      • Bhabiji

        “What we have here are Punjabis, some Pakistani Muslims and Christians and a very few Hindus. Mostly, they are not that nice. They are just businesslike. Some are friendly. Most of them won’t allow you to get to know them in any way whatsoever. They let you shop in their stores, but if you try to engage them in any conversations, especially about their country, they just shut it all down. They only want to be friendly with their own kind. They don’t want to get to know any of the rest of us at all.”

        Come on Desis, lets admit there is some truth in this! I experience it myself, and I’m a Desi Hindu!

        Bobby, what do you have against Indian Nationalism or any type of nationalism? Its a way for people to preserve their unique identities and cultures and I see nothing wrong with it. Most Nationalists are in favor of other people being nationalist and preserving their identities too.

  12. Bhabiji

    Indian Atheist,”Bullshit. My alma mater was a bastion of leftist movements in India and in my three years there, I never encountered a single instance where racial identity politics was played.

    Most of my left leaning professors were actually very positive of the British Raj, which they felt has been unfairly vilified by Indian nationalists in the Congress and BJP. ”

    The left uses different strategies in different cultures. Their aim is to undermine the majority mainstream culture of any place. That’s why, like Bobby is pointing out, privileged NRIs in the US hating on US “imperialism” and “the white man”. Desis are indoctrinated with this cultural marxist ideology in US universities right along with other people, browns, blacks and self-loathing liberal whites.

    In India the left subverts in another way. But the bottom line is to subvert the mainstream majority. Also, Arundhati Roy and others in India get their digs in about “the white man” aplenty.

    • “The left uses different strategies in different cultures.”
      The left is manned (and womanned) by human beings, who have differing agendas for getting into the movement, which eventually shapes how the movement in any (local) region turns out to be. Human nature and politics 101.
       
      In India, racial identity politics has very little part to play in what the movement is about. From what I have observed, actually living and working in India, it is the right winger Hindus who spit and spew venom against how ‘western culture’ is corrupting the divine influences of the ‘Great Indian Culture’ (TM).
       
      As for Indian nationalism, India is NOT a nation. Not a legitimate one anyway. So when Indian nationalists play the game of ‘national integration’ it eventually ends up forcing your Hindu culture down the throats of people who are not of Hindu stock. Hence, the opposition to this form of pseudo-nationalism.
       
      And the other thing. Since South Asia isn’t my world, I wouldn’t comment too much on it. But I’d say that much – given how emotionally damaged Hindu women are, you get the men you deserve. If you want things to turn out any better, disinfect Hinduism.

      • Bhabiji

        “But I’d say that much – given how emotionally damaged Hindu women are, you get the men you deserve. If you want things to turn out any better, disinfect Hinduism.”

        I agree with that. And since I don’t “deserve” a South Asian Hindu man, I don’t date them. When I date Hindus its non-desi Hindus.

      • Bhabiji

        “In India, racial identity politics has very little part to play in what the movement is about.”

        Dude, Bobby has never been to India. He’s talking about NRIs he’s met here.

        NRIs who attend uni in USA download the identity politics program. Some who don’t even attend uni do so.

        Desi, please.

        • I have also met quite a few from India on the Net. Those are by far the very worst ones of them all.

        • Dota

          “”Dude, Bobby has never been to India. He’s talking about NRIs he’s met here. NRIs who attend uni in USA download the identity politics program.””

          You mean like yourself? Who equates Congress with Democrats because as an outsider you reason through analogy? Whose knowledge of Indian culture and family values comes from Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Ghum? You haven’t changed at all AP, you were a retarded little bitch the last time you were here and now its time to kick your ass out of here again.

        • The said Bobby has a more realistic perspective on India and Indians than a lot of mainland Indians do.

  13. Bhabiji

    The reason why South Asians are so weird and awkward is because are men never individuate from their parents, particularly their mothers. The Indian mother uses her son as a surrogate husband.

    While its obvious this stunts his psycho-sexual development, it has implications in all other areas of life as well. That’s the reason South Asia is such a trip.

  14. GM

    Robert,

    Indians used to hate Americans when Socialist India was under the spell of Soviet Union, but not any more. The person who is ruling India is an Italian Catholic lady. I am not sure if Italians would let an Indian rule their country. They might be, but I am not so sure. Indians have a tradition of respecting great gurus or teachers. I cannot imagine an Indian disrespecting Jesus Christ. Indian Muslims consider Jesus as one of their prophet and they will never insult Jesus. I cannot talk about Muslims in other countries as I do not have direct experience. Dharmic religions are not interested in converting people of other faith. It is generally accepted that St. Thomas, the apostle of Jesus Christ, introduced Christianity in India in AD 52. Europeans got converted centuries later. India gave refuge to Jews before that. Indians were among world’s first Muslims.Islam came to Southern India with the Arab merchants and traders. North India had a bloody history. Indian religions are tolerant to other faiths. I am surprised when you made a generalized statement that Indians hate West and Christians based on the rude behavior of some uneducated Indian grocery shop owner. India is the only surviving non-western ancient culture in the world. We still follow 5,000 year old customs, dresses and other traditions. Let it be like that as long as Indians mind their business and they don’t ram a hijacked plane into some World trade center building. Indians are very proud people like Greeks. Let multiple cultures flourish. A monolithic world (Western only) will be a dull and boring place to live.

  15. Srikanth

    Views of Mr. Lindsay about Hindus would turn Postive, if he got to sleep with a few Hindu Women.

  16. M Smith

    Everybody thinks their own country / culture / religion / political angle / etc. is the best. It’s stone age defense mechanism–be wary of strangers, they could be dangerous. Us against them. Just in case. It works. BUT the suffering and evil outweigh the defensive value. Viz Africa.

    Muslims, Hindus, and others living in America are pleasant to you, of course. This is your house, so they play nice. But it may not reflect their true feelings. Many pleasant immigrants wouldn’t be so pleasant if you were on their turf.

    • Richard hall

      I agree mostly ( BUT the suffering and evil outweigh the defensive value. Viz Africa.) if your implying that Africa should be controlled then that’s the part i disagree with. many years from now they will be happier with any development they make on there own.

      If your talking about the black violence towards whites then i have no problem.

      • Richard hall

        I have no problem with what you say. I very much have a problem with black violence towards whites. (want to avoid a argument/misunderstanding )

        • M Smith

          I meant that in Africa, tribal wars have taken a ghastly toll over the years. Recently and in centuries, no, millenia past. Nothing tops it.

          Black/white/whatever violence is just an extension of the mob-mind tribal violence that plagues our species. So are soccer brawls, so are gangs, all that. Same deal. All bad.

  17. “Generally, with Muslims, if you don’t hate them, are kind and good to them are not on board with the war on Islam crowd, they are very friendly to you. Like most people, they don’t take too kindly to being attacked. I always make it clear that I am not down with the war on Islam crowd, and they are generally quite friendly to me.”

    Similarly If you don’t hate Hindus and are kind and good to them, they are very friendly to you. Like most people, they don’t take too kindly to being attacked. Its natural instinct.

    • Hindus and Hinduized types (with the exception of Muslims) are just unfriendly period. It’s all business. They won’t let you get to know them in any personal way and they are extremely suspicious. I even include Sikhs in that. They are only friendly on a superficial business level. In my town, by far the friendliest Subcons are the Punjabi Muslims from Pakistan. WAY friendlier than the Sikhs or the Hindus or even the Pakistani Punjabi Christians.

      I find that Hindus and Sikhs in general are just not that friendly to non-Indians. Not very warm people. Very standoffish, insular, suspicious and even arrogant. I have stopped going to a lot of the Sikh and other Subcon stores around here because they were assholes. I now patronize the Muslim stores instead.

      • tera baap

        patronize muslim stores?

        i have an even better advice. try going for a vacation in the areas of FATA , swat and waziristan in pakistan.

        lets see some pakistani love for the “kaafir” (yep thats u as per them)

        i dont understand what kind of ignorant world u live in. but well that world is all urs and so is the ignorance that comes along with it.

        ur whining on internet on how indians dont like u and u have the audacity of name call us and ask for us to respectful to u?? u want us to be friendly to u while u call us “asshole”

        robert lindsay , go fuck urself.

        now ban me u dumb motherfucker!!

  18. Seriously?

    http://futurist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/03/does_the_world_.html
    This blog tries too hard, and still only manages to draw one or two angry Indians — if that.

    There is no hatred of the ‘white man,’ including even of the British, because whites aren’t special enough to warrant hating. While there’s a consistent income gap between black and white Americans, there is an even larger Indian-white income gap in favor of Indians. India’s relationship with so-called white nations is similar to that of Japan. We don’t feel threatened, and are progressing quickly enough to put history behind us.

    But I think you’ve missed a fundamental shared characteristic of Indians, so much so that this blog can never be reconciled with reality. In fact, of all the stereotypes of Indians, I think this is the only one with any real merit. Indians have a kind of “brotherly love” predisposition, which is hard to describe. The second a Pakistani, for example, shows any type of support for an Indian, he or she can expect an endless stream of positive responses, and absolutely no negative ones. Recently there was a poll done to determine India’s second (after Gandhi) “greatest” individual. India’s first Muslim president received the most votes over the likes of even Nehru, who only ranked 15th. Despite the poll’s assumption that Gandhi was bar none the greatest Indian, polls including Gandhi invariably show Ambedkar (India’s Dalit activist and philosopher) ahead, usually ranking Ambedkar first or second.

    But I guess you still may be able to twist this around to still trash Indians.

    I suspect the main motivation for this blog and the posters on here is that Indians you come across don’t consider you as great as you consider yourselves. This ends up coming across as arrogance to you; so you feel the need to react by trying to situate them further below you in the imaginary hierarchy you had before meeting them. Indians don’t react as negatively as you had hoped and so the effect is repeated and overall magnified. Combine that with confirmation bias and then you eventually reach the conclusion that Indians have no qualities whatsoever, have never accomplished anything, and are scheming to take over the world. (But you can’t afford them anything positive, so you then say they don’t have the capability to do anything special like take over the world in the first place.) It’s all pretty sad, really.

    • Indian

      very very well said, its the best reply so far. Whole world knows India as a model nation of “unity in diversity”, whole world knows that muslims of india are not as radical as other muslims around the world because of their contact with hinduism thus making hinduism and islam in india compatible to each other. Indians dont like people asking questions about their culture and traditions because of their conservative nature which is also because of result of theories of western archaeologists who first came to India with british aggressors and were not able to understand vedas so they called them stupid and even said that Indians were incapable of producing texts like vedas, which despite any proof was let to believe in aryan invasion theory of indian civilization and now it has been proved that there was no invasion.
      look at this:http://www.stephen-knapp.com/solid_evidence_debunking_aryan_invasion.htm

      since u foreign lot could’nt understand our vedas and ridiculed them , then average indians went into conservative nature of defending their traditions and not sharing it around or not interested in spreading or converting others like muslims or christians. Indians gave the yoga to west and what u guys think about it? that it is a spritiual conspiracy to convert christians into hinduism. What the HELL?
      see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HtUlPLuDjo&feature=related

      we never forced anyone to follow our traditions and if we give our traditions to you west people then if it gets widespread acceptance , you guys get scared and call our traditions as witchcrafts.

      NOW YOU TELL ME
      WHY DO YOU HATE US SO MUCH?

      thats why we keep our things to us only. Every teacher in west of yoga said to focus on their own god while doing yoga , nobody forced anyone to follow hinduism to do yoga.

      MEDITATION came from hinduism ,and now there are things that islamic meditation and christian meditation and blah blah.

      first you western guys came to our country as aggressors and to show ur dominance ridiculed our ancient texts which made us extra protective towards our traditions and then yoga came to ur land by “THE BEATLES” , then u guys understood the real power of vedas and started afresh to try to decipher vedas and still u can find enough “whites” in shankara ashram in puri trying to obtain holy knowledge of vedas since he showed world vedic mathematics in lecture to NASA scientists.

      And for India being super power. who cares

      if you come to India you will notice enough of white people moving around in cities and if u ask them then they will tell u that indians are most talkative of there lot and hinduism is the ONLY religion in the history of world that doesnt follow any specific book like Bible or Qoran
      and even muslims in india have hinduism as part of there culture and traditions which makes it most FLEXIBLE religion of its league being oldest of all.

      as the saying goes
      “world is mirror of what you are”
      so change yourself to see better and dont judge a country of billion people after meeting 1 million NRI.

      Namste

  19. Sambit

    Well for the ignorant blogger I would recommend to do some search of 19th century Bengal renaissance which was mainly an upper caste renaissance influenced by Anglo…The pioneers of that renaissance were as much devotee of Christ as they were of Hindu gods or idols…The father of Bengal renaissance tried to make a cognitive culture among ancient Hindu spirituality and modern western rational thoughts…Some of those men related to that renaissance were even Christian missionaries,Jesuit etc.

    Why Muslim could not emerged to the power during that time…don’t make so silly statements…I can’t say about rest of India but Bengali Hindu’s don’t hate any Christian but Muslim has hatred towards every religion be it Hindu,Christian,Sikh,Jewish…doesn’t matter to them.

  20. GrowingupIndian

    India is EXTREMELY anti-Western and anti-Christian. The sooner the West wakes up to this undeniable FACT, the better it will be.

    Indians are amazing liars. If you guys don’t hate the West or Christianity, why the need to flock in numbers to defend yourselves against one man’s opinion?

  21. bharat

    Read the profile of this Author and felt..
    ” A self -illusioned, self centered, self left , self racist, self crazzy guy” No need to give comments or argue. Because argument is with those people whose IQ is good and can understand things.. I wish, evolution should have made better humans….
    More hate spreading frusturated guy.. Get a beer and some life..

  22. Klaus Krauthammer

    Obviously self loathing liberals. American left has spent 9 decades trying to teach the young skulls of mush how dangerous those head chopping Christians are.

    • Spinoza

      Hey all Hindu friends in the comments section. Dont bother answering this “Robert Lindsay” troll. Just read his comments and understand the insanity behind them. Inane is his middle name. Luckily, such people are mostly locked up in asylums without internet access. Somebody give Robbie Bobbie stronger medication, please!! LOL

        • puneet

          hindus hate nobody except its enemies,christian missionaries are our enemy and so are muslim extremists.we hate them because they are constantly poking at us hindus either,by religion conversion by money(missionaries do this) or absolute hated against us by muslims.just because we are non muslims,these things have produced counter-hatred.

  23. Rajesh

    Hindus are the best. Christains are cocksuckers. Western nations are the beggars today. Hindu will be the king and all muslims and christains will be slaves

  24. Hindus & christions don’t hate teach thair childrens to hate some one but Muslim Do to hate Non-muslims…….Hinduism says -> God inside of each an every living thing,and every one having human right But muslim Dont care about others human rights…..If some one keep treating bad to humans even A Hindu….Hindus will fight with them

  25. Anjali

    Mohit is a white troll!!!!!!! troll alert!!!!!!.

  26. Anjali

    deport all whites back to europe.

  27. Arkham

    Robert
    Hindus don’t have a prob with Christians. They had a prob with British because they looted exploited and plundered India and increased poverty here. But that was in the past and many don’t care about it

    • SHI

      Friend, I won’t be able to post on your blog for a while as I’m writing an eBook, and traveling a bit further.

      You might be interested in the ancient Hindu spiritual discipline called Tapasya. It’s not religious just a bent of mind which is open to all. You can focus on anything Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, The Jedi Monster or Donald Trump (depends on what you found), the results of prolonged Tapasya are unbelievable. It fosters self-discipline, pain tolerance and greater self-awareness.

      Check out this link and begin your sadhna now. These are two terms that you’ll frequently come across but there’s no precise English translation.

      http://serioussadhana.blogspot.in/2012/03/tapasya-secret-fire.html?m=1

    • Halal Butcher of Lhasa

      While I don’t want to take side on the issue,apparently the hinduwadis and Christian preachers dislike each others. I’m surprised by your claim.
      http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/19/india-12-arrested-for-converting-to-christianity/
      Mind you in these days,forceful conversion,particularly from a ‘native’ religion to a ‘non-native’ one could hardly happen. I don’t think the Christian missionaries tried any tactics the hinduwadis didn’t try to revert the low caste muslims or Christians back to Hinduism.
      Israel,arabia and Hindustan are countries/civilization characterized by religion. Religious conversion is often considered detrimental of national interest.

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