More White Nationalist Idiocy and Lying

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From Gucci Little Piggy.

The familiar scenario that so many of us are used to is playing out on Chuck Rudd’s blog.

Chuck is a White man, a reactionary, a Libertarian, an MRA and a racist. All of this is quite clear from his writing. As he’s also a member of the Alt Right sphere, all of these things are pretty much par for the course.

We won’t discuss Chuck’s economic views much except to say that they make no sense on a personal basis. Chuck is a young working class man who hates the working class. How do we know he hates the working class? Because he’s a Libertarian, and all Libertarians hate the working class by definition.

Now there are all sorts of working class folks. Every employee is pretty much a working class person. Highly paid workers and workers in management have typically aligned with the bosses and ruling classes against the workers.

In many cases, this is rational thinking, because the top 20% of wage earners get cut in pretty nicely via free market economics. The bottom 80% often fare badly, but that’s no matter if you make over $75,000/year.

Workers in management simply ally with the bosses no matter what their income is. In some cases of low paid management, this is almost like the way that lower caste Indians line up with their upper caste oppressors. The workers in management do get a better income for siding with the bosses against the workers, so it seems like a good deal for them to be a class traitor.

Now, Chuck has none of these excuses. He’s just a young man – young, dumb and full of cum and delusions of future grandeur. He’s currently working a waiter bussing tables in a restaurant, which is a working class job if there ever was one, but Chuck doesn’t see this as part of his identity.

Chuck sees himself as a member of the ruling class/upper middle class (although his true membership in the group will not appear until the future) who is currently biding his time in a pseudo-Preterite working class job until his higher calling, ordained by the Elect he was born into, is realized.

So Chuck is a man who is actually living in a future time. I assume that all of his blog posts are somehow being posted from the future too. Don’t ask me how that works.

This is an extremely common delusion among Moronicans. Fully 50% of Moronicans say they expect to be millionaires at some point. Fully 25% of Moronicans say that they are in the upper 1% of the income bracket, which of course is physically impossible. We live in the Lottery Society. Everyone’s going to win the jackpot someday, but almost none of us is going to win it, and they’re both true at the same time.

The jackpot is dead! Long live the jackpot!

This could be the motto of US society.

In addition, Chuck is a White racist (against Blacks at least), as are 31% of US Whites according to a recent survey, so he has plenty of company.

As an open White racist, he has suffered the flocking of swarms of White nationalists (WN’s) coming to his site in pursuit of the delusion that he is one of them. But he’s not. He’s just a racist. A racist and a WN are two separate things entirely. Of course, all WN’s are racists, but not all White racists are WN’s. WN’s are too fucktarded to ever figure out this equation for some reason.

After a while, the many scarecrows Chuck set up to keep the cawing WN’s away quit working. Then, as many racist White non-WN bloggers do, Chuck began taking out his shotgun and shooting down the WN idiot birdbrains flocking to his site. This aroused the WN avian cerebrums, who screamed and cried, “But you’re one of us! But you’re a racist, so therefore you’re a WN too! Wa wa! Boo hoo!” Just like they always do.

Chuck then made a couple of posts showing just exactly how fucktarded White nationalism is, and the flapping and cacophonous WN avian swarm was on. The fowl minded WN’s swooped down on his site in huge numbers that nearly blotted out the sky while they littered his blog with 234 pages of WN bird crap comments.

The comments were predictable.

“So….WN! What’s your plan anyway? How are you going to pull off this White state thingamajig anyhoo?” The sane people inquired.

This was met with the usual crap, lies, bullshit, nonsense, evasion, dishonesty, melodrama and diversion.

Although this time they do seem to have a plan. They plan to publicize the idea that they are seeking a White state far across the land. WN’s currently argue that their plan is suffering a media blackout, which is actually correct.

Once they get the idea out there in the media to Whites all across our fair land, a large number of Whites, perhaps even a majority, will sign onto the plan as a good idea. Many Whites may even decide that they would like to move to the White state should it ever come about.

This is a very interesting argument, and they ought to try it out and see how it goes over. How many Whites would be open to the idea? No one knows, but it might be interesting to find out. It’s fascinating that no one has ever even bothered to poll the question of how many Whites support a White state or would move to one if one existed.

If you talk to WN’s about this, it becomes clear just how insane they really are. Most WN’s have openly told me that a majority of US Whites support White separatism. I ask them for polling numbers, and all I get is bluster, crap and BS. They also tell me that they have anywhere from 30-50% support among Whites; in other words, that 30-50+% of US Whites are already White nationalists! Wow! I ask them for proof, and all I get is the familiar WN bird shit.

The plan is that they are going to get at least a few US states to simply declare themselves White states and secede from the Republic on that basis.

There are so many problems with this. For one thing, it appears to be unconstitutional on its face. We fought a Civil War over some states unilaterally declaring secession like that. I can’t see how the federal government would allow it. You would probably need to amend the Federal Constitution in order to even allow state secession in the first place, and how would you ever get enough votes to do that?

Pressed further, WN’s admit that they need to sell their project to a majority of Whites at least and probably even the vast majority of Whites. Beyond that, they would probably need to sell it to a lot of minorities – not necessarily a majority, but at least a lot of them.

I have had WN’s tell me with all seriousness that they think a majority of Blacks would love to set up their Nigger State or Nigger Bantustan or whatever in the Deep South. Why, it would be paradise with all that free fried chicken and waddymelons and dancing and shucking and jiving. I mean, what nigga in his right mind would not want to move down to Niggerlandia (formerly Mississippi and Alabama).

WN’s tell me that Blacks hate Whites and all other races and that Blacks really do prefer and want to live only around their own people. This is actually contrary to all available evidence that shows that Blacks tend to flee heavily Black areas just as much as any other sane person might.

When you press the WN’s tards over and over, finally they tend to break down. I have had a few of them finally break it to me: “Well, there’s going to have to be a war.” Of course there would be. You won’t be able to set up your White state without a war. And a war, if successful, could surely set up the White state. This is why so many WN’s pine for the Great Race War that will settle the Question once and for all. Quite a few WN books have actually been written on this subject.

There are many other WN lies that were not dealt with in GLP’s thread.

“We are not racists,” is one of those. The typical WN line is that WN are not racists at all. Why, of course they aren’t! How silly of us for thinking that! Silly wabbits! I have known countless WN’s. Every one of them that I have ever met was a serious, hardcore White racist. They don’t all hate all non-Whites, but most of them to. Some of either tolerate or actually like Asians, Jews, Amerindians or mestizos. But all WN’s are virulently racist against Blacks. This is a common denominator.

Another lie is, “White separatism and White nationalism are not the same thing.”

But of course they are. All White separatists are de facto White nationalists. And all White nationalists are White separatists in one way or another.

They just differ on how they intend to carry out their separatism. Most want to form a separate White state in the US and then secede from the union. Others wish to conquer the US nation as a whole and then implement White nationalism in the whole of the US via evicting most to all non-Whites from US territory. As the latter is exceedingly unlikely, the former is currently the plan of choice.

I will have a bit more to say about this thread later, but this post has gone on long enough.

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124 responses to “More White Nationalist Idiocy and Lying

  1. Bay Area Guy

    I only have one question regarding the survey used to assess white peoples’ racial/racist attitudes.

    What did the white people of the survey in question say/do to qualify as “racist?”

    Having read Tim Wise’s articles long ago, one thing you should know about such surveys is that simply subscribing to one negative stereotype about black people is enough to qualify a white person as a “racist.”

    If that’s the case, that number should be 100% of all Americans, as opposed to 31% of white Americans.

    Are we talking hostile/bigoted racism, or the kind of “aversive racism” that the anti-racists/CRT’s always rail against?

    • Oh no, it was some pretty serious racism all right, not CRT Tim Wise Abagond aversive colorblind bullshit. This was the real deal, and that’s why I mentioned it.

      But the same survey also found that by the same scale, 34% of Blacks were racist towards Whites! LOL, they hate us more than we hate them. I’ve always known this was true. Of course there are more Blacks who hate Whites than there are Whites who hate Blacks. Hang around Black people long enough and that becomes utterly clear.

      • Mr.E2ME

        “But the same survey also found that by the same scale, 34% of Blacks were racist towards Whites! LOL, they hate us more than we hate them. I’ve always known this was true. Of course there are more Blacks who hate Whites than there are Whites who hate Blacks. Hang around Black people long enough and that becomes utterly clear.”

        Truer words never been spoke. After moving to L.A. from the great white north, this is one of my great epiphanies. 34% seems a little low though.

      • Lana21

        There may be more blacks hating whites than the reverse. I doubt that because on the flipside who worship whites more than black people? lol Black people can’t function properly because everything we do evolves around us being accepted, validated, wanted, and led by white america. When I say “everything” I literally mean EVERYTHING. Yeah black people might very well have a deep seated hate for white america but they also have a deep seated worship for it. There’s a phrase that self-aware blacks use to describe the mindset of other blacks like this and it’s “if it ain’t white, it ain’t right”. There’s also a name for them, Uncle Toms. They don’t want to work with other blacks, don’t want to work FOR them, don’t want to be serviced by them, don’t want to live near them, don’t want to marry another black, don’t want their children to look “black” or “too black”, they think blacks aren’t intelligent, they view their own race as low class AND will gladly berate, denigrate, & belittle their own race in the presense of whites or nonblacks. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Blacks went from slavery to dependency. There’s such a thing called “black fear” that keeps blacks in a crippling state of victimization. They have absolutely ZERO belief in their own abilities regarding ANYTHING even black children. That’s why African Americans look crazy to others because of they way we operate in our community. Why are we the way we are? Self-hate is why. They DON’T want to build for their own community, become their own superpower and sustain on their own. The ultimate goal is be accepted and intergrated with white america. Which why everything is about “whites need to do this, whites need to do that, why don’t they include us?, why do they ignore us” wah wah waaaah. So yeah white america might have their own hate club in the black community but you also have plenty enough of us willing to kiss your a**es too and they do. We were your slaves but now we’re just your freaking pets. This might just seem like an extreme rant to you but you won’t believe the truth behind all of this. Why am I saying all this on this blog? I don’t know. I’m a young black girl frustrated with her people venting in a very unlikely odd place.

        • WmarkW

          As a lot of White advocates point out, how many blacks emigrate from white-run to black-run countries to escape all this racist oppression?

        • Hacienda

          “I’m a young black girl frustrated with her people venting in a very unlikely odd place.”

          Angry young black girls become wise black women.

        • Hacienda

          ?As a lot of White advocates point out, how many blacks emigrate from white-run to black-run countries to escape all this racist oppression?”

          It’s not “oppression”, it’s two states of being at odds with each other.

    • Ichigo Kurosaki

      yes x) another popular post where i can leave an anime trace as a reference with both my username and in some cases the content of my posts as part of my promotion, plus living my honest opinion about the subject too, i am excited to image how many people here will know anime reading my posts and username,anyways, all i have to say to white nationalists is: don’t discriminate east asians, since the european union will fail because Italy, Spain,France and maybe United Kingdom; all of you need China,Korea and Japan ,this is the 2013, year of the crisis in the european union,and thats all x)

  2. Bay Area Guy

    I still fundamentally agree with WN’s on many issues regarding immigration, diversity, etc.

    I just don’t respect them as a movement/group. Most of them would rather preach to the small choir than reach out to the white masses. They would rather whine about Jewish power (which, to be clear, is indeed negative) keeping them down than actually forming powerful white organizations to counter such power. They articulate the problems white America faces, but have done nothing substantive to remedy such problems, whether it’s forming groups to encourage white women to have more kids, teaching the white masses how to politically organize on a racial level, etc.

    Frankly, I have little use for WN’s anymore.

    As I told Dota on another thread, lately I’ve been engaging a liberal Republican white friend of mine in debates regarding immigration and diversity. Around some of my other white friends with center right leanings, I adopt a similar approach.

    Even when they don’t agree with me, they still have open enough minds, and are able to see my point of view to an extent.

    I can tell you that discussing these issues with flesh-and-blood white people in the real world has been a far more rewarding experience than dealing with a bunch of online WN’s, who care more about empty rhetoric than anything else.

  3. Ken S

    The WN’s should be selling their “idea” to the hipsters. Black people today get a history month, their own Entertainment Network, and a bit of affirmative action now and then. An all white nation coming out of nowhere would be totally ironic and non-mainstream! It won’t be a tough sell either because apparently hipsters are all irredeemably racist anyways.

    • Xera

      Really? There is a DJ by the name of Steve Aoki who is Japanese, that emulates and flashes hipsterish fashion and lifestyle and they seem to accept an Asian in that regard although it might have to do more with his money.

  4. AndrewV

    You do realize Robert that in this PC culture world you are considered a racist yourself?

    • You must be a WN right, Andrew? LOL. If so, this is your argument. Give it up, Bob! You’re a racist yourself. According to PC bullshit, you’re a racist too, therefore, Bob:

      1. You have no right to call anyone else a racist, even though I can define racism any way I want to, and I do.

      2. You need to become a WN, because as long as you will forever be called racist by PC idiots, you might as well just leave the oppressive PC world and come on board with WN, where your heart is anyway.

      Guess what? I DO get to define racism anyway I want to. And I don’t think I am all that racist (though see the exceptions on my About page). To me, racism exists, but it ain’t me, and I don’t really dig White racism. White racism is simply White people who have taken racist attitudes way too far. And we, the White liberals, do indeed call those people racist.

      And yes, Chuck Rudd is a White racist. He dislikes Blacks at the very least, not sure about the rest. Why is this so controversial? So he’s a racist? So what? MILLIONS of Whites are racist. I’ve been dealing with them my whole life. So you’re a racist? It’s no big deal. Just relax and enjoy it. It’s not the end of the world you know.

      • Xera

        Why all the dislike of Blacks? They aren’t even reproducing like field animals unless you count those war torn african states but then most die at an early age anyway. Blacks have played an integral role in U.S history and society unlike other minorities; wasn’t it the Blacks that built most of the U.S for free, invented the genre’s of rock and jazz, the tango, Salsa, lingo etc?? If I were a WN, I would be more concerned with the Hispanization of America, the White elites, the Jewish bankers and their thieving of the U.S, and of course the Indian parasites trying to go into western countries and destroy them from within. Not to mention it’s that population group that breed like locusts and destroy entire civilizations like locusts and then there is the Chinese who are even more problematic with their breeding habits sometimes.

        Come to think of it, I think it’s beneficial to the White elites that there isn’t a White majority population because you could replace the U.S with a Brazillian model, where a tiny group can exert all the power because of their “whiteness” and historical control through the U.S power structure; then you have the sea of foreign masses who deserve their fate while this tiny group exert all power through walled and gated fortresses with the useful idiots from other ethnicities keeping their power to somehow win their approval/acceptance.

      • AndrewV

        Ouch! Sounds like I touched a nerve.

        FYI … under our PC governance I can not be a racist, nor can I be a WN as they would not accept me (part Jewish, with relatives with the right to return, and a cousin who lived on a kibbutz).

        I just am not a very good leftist Robert, and as far as I can see neither are you under the PC rules.

        Here is my score:
        Economic Left/Right: -5.75
        Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92

        Take the test and see what yours is by comparison:
        http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

      • Bay Area Guy

        wasn’t it the Blacks that built most of the U.S for free

        Picking cotton on a plantation doesn’t exactly constitute “building a country.”

        The people who built, and ultimately made the great cities of New York, Boston, most of the country for that matter, what they are, were whites.

        (judging by the success of the U.S’s northern neighbor, Canada, another white settler country, which did not have black slaves)

        The North, which relied mostly on free white factory workers, enjoyed a tremendous advantage over the South, with its abundance of slave labor, and which relied on imports from Europe to fight the Civil War (while the North supplied its own clothing and weaponry).

        So many people act as if slavery is somehow a magic wand that magically makes wealth appear, when it isn’t. If all it takes to get rich is enslave a bunch of black people, why isn’t Brazil the world’s #1 superpower? After all, a plurality of the slaves in the Transatlantic Slave Trade went to Brazil, and slavery in Brazil even ended around 25 years later than in the U.S. Why aren’t a whole bunch of other places wealthier/more powerful?

        • Xera

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but the White house was built on Black slave labor correct? Another thing is that the trans-atlantic slave trade led to such a big economic surplus boom on the behalf of European colonial powers, that it eventually paved the way to the Industrial revolution, which allowed the development of countries like the U.S and other post-Industrialized societies around the globe, or am I wrong here? So it would be completely disingenuous to down play the role that Blacks played in U.S/Western society and they did play a large role in Western music/culture.

        • Southern cotton made New York City the financial capital of America. Similarly, it was Southern cotton that fueled the New England textile industry.

          American capitalism led to regional specialization: the South produced the export crops, the Midwest grew the food, and the Northeast specialized in banking, shipping, and manufacturing.

          The South was by far the richest section of the United States at the time. In the American Revolution, South Carolina was the richest colony, and the West Indies were worth far more to Britain than all the mainland American colonies combined.

          The idea that “free labor” was superior to “slave labor” is nothing more than a Yankee conceit. Wherever abolition was tried whether it be in Dixie, Haiti, Barbados, or Brazil, free labor was found to be vastly inferior to slave labor.

          The Mississippi Valley used to be the wealthiest region in America. There were more millionaires in Natchez than in anywhere else in the Union.

          That the Mississippi Valley (like Haiti) is now synonymous with poverty just goes to show that “free labor” was a total failure and abolition produced exactly the dire result that had been predicted by people who knew better.

          In the Northern war effort, Midwestern food and Northern arms proved more useful than Southern cotton; Northern manufactures were still vastly inferior to their European counterparts, and Southern cotton was still more valuable to the world economy.

          Of course, the free trade fallacy in Britain and France led to crop failures and shortages than made Midwestern food a more valuable commodity than it otherwise would have been.

        • Pepperoncini

          Agriculture be it picking cotton or tea or harvesting other crops, was crucial to the formation and wealth generation of the US (ofcourse same is true for most all other nations).

          IMHO,a large part of South America being screwed is simply due to the Catholic church. The Catholic Church had a penchant for supporting nepotism and elitism in the Western hemisphere while Protestant North America didn’t allow the Church to play as central a role in governance as South America did. The Catholic church was not ameable towards Secularism, Meritocrasy and rights of the individual like Protestantism . Catholic church was more concerned with playin a leadin role in governance and influence of the daily lives of its flock than Protestantism.

        • tulio

          @BAG, regarding Brazil, it is the powerhouse economy of Latin America, and recently overtook England in economic power. So I’m not sure what point you’re making. Not that I’m saying slavery is the reason for that per se.

          As for who built America, well I’d say that was quite a collaborative effort. Blacks headed north after slavery and worked in factories and industry and shipyards. As did whites of course(many of them poor immigrants).

        • “So many people act as if slavery is somehow a magic wand that magically makes wealth appear, when it isn’t.”
          Exactly. It is ironic that South Asians and Middle Easterns are the strongest critics to claim that the US economic success is a result of slave labour even though both these regions used massive slave labour for centuries without building the utopia they imagined they’d build.

          On top of that, the US boosted itself to become the economic powerhouse after the World War 2, when the Marshall Plan stimulated the American economy more than any precedant. There was no slave trade to speak of. The Middle East and South Asia on the other hand, were more concerned about political and military cock fights, that totally left them an economic wasteland which they now attribute to the ‘Evils of American/British Imperialism’.

        • At least the Chinese learnt something, that the constraints and irrelevance of their 5000 year old culture was holding them back. Once they accepted that, it was the start of their progress and the entire China growth story. However, Arabs, North Africans and Hindu Indians are unwilling to accept that it is their (ancient) cultures that is holding them back and would rather sing and beat drums about the glories of their 2000 B.C. heritage while their present is a shithole they’d take the first chance to escape from.

  5. georgeo

    A good book to read…..”No crooked death, the lynching of Zacharial Walker “.

  6. i don’t “dislike blacks”. you should correct that in your comments above. i’m critical of the culture, values, and behaviors which many blacks embrace because they hold it as the central component of their black identity.

    also, i work as a waiter. i choose that work. i may do it forever, who knows. but nobody is taking advantage of me. i do it by choice. i quit an office job because i didn’t like the restriction of it. so i scrape by waiting tables so that i can write and do whatever fuck else i want. i’m content with the knowledge that if i really, really wanted to make more money then i could. i’m not sure how my libertarianism conflicts with this.

    • I think you are racist towards Blacks. You really have a lot of animus towards them. That comes across pretty strong. You say you like them just fine, but that’s not how it comes across in your writing. So I’m not going to change that. Any working class guy who is on board with Libertarianism (a ruling class, elite and upper middle class philosophy) simply needs to have their head examined.

      • The truth of it is that I don’t have animus towards blacks as much as i just marvel at the way that the relatively monolithic culture has developed. I think that culture is in many ways decrepit and is supported by a fear of criticizing anything that black people do. I seek to understand how and why. I oppose the justifications for the culture the same way I oppose justifications for all other radical/leftist grievances. My opposition to the leftism that undergirds this large facet of black culture is greater than my personal feelings towards black people.

        I know that some people will think someone like me is a racist no matter what, and I don’t really mind being called that. But sometimes I like to clarify where I’m coming from.

        • Ok, but if you have no animus towards Blacks, that feeling is not coming across very well. You might want to work on your approach.

        • AndrewV

          Chuck to his credit, apparently omitted to mention here about being related to a black man, though he has mentioned it in the past on his own blog

          Personally, I believe that says something about his character.

          http://glpiggy.net/2012/04/11/my-take-on-the-talk/
          “But I have just a quick family anecdote on this one, and it involves my adopted black grandfather that I’ve mentioned before”.

  7. Pepperoncini

    To Robert
    I agree; White Nationalist, White Seperatism and White Supremacism are essentially all the same thing (as it pertains to the US) , just a matter of semantics.

    Now I didn’t make this post to discuss WNism/WP etc.. but to comment on Workin class people who are rabidly against socialism and regurgitate the Socialism bogeyman bullshit the right wing media feeds them.

    Somehow ‘Socialism’ has become an epithet, interchangeable with Marxism and Communism, all thanks to Fox, Beck,Limbaugh,Breitbart et all. No society can exist as a society without socialism. Without the socialist defense forces (tax payer funded), the socialist public roads (tax payer funded), the socialist police (tax payer funded), Fire service (same) , the judicial system and many other government services; the US would not be the superpower and industrialised world’s top dog.

    The likes of Joe the Plumber and all these working and middle class Whites rabidly decrying socialism and accusing Obama of takin America towards Socialism (a very very bad thing accordin to them) are like middle and lower caste Hindus who are hoodwinked and bamboozeled by the elites to support policies/ideologies detrimental to them (working and middle class).

      • Pepperoncini

        To Robert
        When I made the above post, I was thinkin of the below article with a statement from Joe the Plumber.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/joe-the-plumber-white-house-_n_1472283.html

        “Your burdensome and punishing regulations made sure that job-creating small businesses suffer like never before. And yet, through it all, your friends, bundlers, and campaign contributors seem to be doing just fine. Thanks to your “spread the wealth” message, we’ve got people “occupying” legitimate businesses and industries, terrorizing the children of business leaders in their own homes, and calling for government control of everything and everybody. I thought you’d like to hear how all that is working out for us out here in the real world.

        Mister President, I think it’s time you and I continued our conversation.

        I tried early and late, but you weren’t home and I couldn’t find anyone to take a message. Perhaps you had a good score at the golf course today? Any luck getting more campaign donations? I’m sure that’s taking up a lot of your energy.”

        Joe the Plumber has received welfare, but he has no problem calling for and working towards reduction of the social safety net for others. What punishing regulations is he talkin about? Anyone can throw out non specific and vague accusations.

        http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/joe-plumber-welfare-queen-too
        This hypocritic douche deserves his own thread.

        Does this guy and people like him just want to gut OSHA and the EPA? Such folks should see what the libertarian mindset has in store, by working as a labourer in the Arabian gulf or China or India.

  8. odds

    Am I supposed to feel bad about being called a racist anymore? I can’t really tell the way people like to use it so much. It’s like “nigger.” Even the black people call themselves niggers so it must not be that bad. So I guess the white people “racist” has become a word that describes exactly what a white person is, even though it is politically incorrect to say it around minorities. I guess I should start owning it.

    I’m a racist.

    Now what?

  9. Aaron

    Well, Robert has insisted that I’m a white nationalist, so maybe I should feel insulted. I never accepted that label, though, and I agree with this post: White nationalists are mostly a bunch of kooks and retards, and many of them are kooky and retarded. (Hunter Wallace, who commented above, is on the kooky side, but part of his game is to point out the extreme kookiness of those farther out on the kook spectrum than he is.)

    Here’s my list of white nationalists who are neither kooks nor retards. If you say that any white nationalist is a kook by definition, then I mean not otherwise kooky.
    1. Matt Parrott
    2. Richard Spencer (if he calls himself a WN)
    3. Jared Taylor (doesn’t call himself a WN but others do)
    4. Kevin MacDonald no, strike that, MacDonald has become a total retard in recent years, Ph.D. or no. Typical scientist who’s clueless about anything outside his narrow specialty.

    So I count three white nationalists who are both smart and sane. Did I leave anybody out? There are also a few commenters at those sites who fit that description, but when you look closer it’s doubtful whether their beliefs are really white nationalism, even if they use that label themselves.

  10. tulio

    There are already are de facto white territories. The whole region east of the cascades and the northern plains. You can even include the adjacent parts of Canada. Other than a scattering of Amerindians(who obviously have the right to be there since it’s originally their land), there are virtually no non-whites. Why don’t all the WNs just shut their traps and move to the hinterlands of Montana or Allberta?

    • Pepperoncini

      There is a movement within Wnism to create a Whites only homeland in the Pacific NorthWest (Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Montana). There is also a movement called PLE (Pioneer Little Europes) which seeks to create White enclaves.

      The NorthWest front isn’t going to work as non Whites aren’t an insignificant minority in Washington and Oregon . Portland and Seattle are also major cities and liberal / left leaning.

      PLEs will work as all it takes to create an enclave is owning some land and building a town with like minded folks. But while there are religious communes and Wnist compounds like Elohim City, I’ve never heard of WNist creating a bonafide town.

    • WmarkW

      Cold weather produced whiteness, and evolutionarily selected us for brains. But we still like living where the babes wear their skimpies.

        • Xera

          Tulio I have a heard time believing those ridiculous stories on Roosh about Asian men scoring better with scandinivian chicks then taller scandinivian men; actually I have a hard time believing any Asian men have any sort of success with a higher caliber chick of any other race given how they look; it’s really hard believing that a Persian/Pakistani/Lebanese/Icelandic 9 would suddenly fall for an Asian guy when she has MUCH more better looking options. Half those stories on Roosh sound made up, especially ones with Asians or other minority races suddenly having great success just by dropping off the plane in a certain country! Can you explain to me how this “suddenly” works and why you even bother going to a forum where half the members are making shit up and in the case of “minority” members, making shit up to cover their small penies?

        • Tulio

          What proof do you have that people are making these stories up? You seem to be basing that only on your willingness to believe it isn’t true. I have no idea how well Asian guys do with the ladies in Scandinavia. There aren’t tons of Asians guys on Roosh’s forum. There were a couple who claimed to do pretty well there, but maybe they happen to be particularly good looking Asian guys with good game. I dunno. Black guys there seem to fare much better. While I think some of these claims can be exaggerated, I’ve personally known black dudes that have been to places like Sweden and Germany and found themselves quite popular with the women. If you have the Google predictive search feature enabled, type “why do Swedish women” and “why do German women”. You’ll find the results interesting.

        • Xera

          Tulio
          One thing I have realized in life is that logic does not wholly require empirical verification. I can’t pin point this one exact story, but there was one “field report” where an 5.9 guy Asian guy who is not even good-looking at all just average as was written, went to the Baltics. Without speaking the actual language of the Baltics, he suddenly charmed the hottest “local” girls there, had random guys shaking his hand for visiting their country and then supposedly lied about studying energy development in the Baltics to the girls where afterwards he was given “rockstar treatment” by everyone there and was fighting one neo-Nazi after another. All of this happened without him actually speaking the language or knowing a freaking shit about the places or the locals there. Given the fact that people from these regions and Scandinavia tend to be pretty good-looking, pretty tall and well-built (6.0+), I don’t understand how 8′s and 9′s of this region would suddenly hang their panties for an average member of a race that has piss poor genetics and are one of the least attractive in the world with known small-man parts. Please stop using “Asian guy” and “good-looking” in the same sentence, you and I both know that’s an oxymoron of the highest order.

          Plus another person on that forum complained that all of the supposed elite members of that site lied their asses of and in one occasion, asked him for names so that they could make new accounts and make more shit up for a reason I can’t fathom.

        • Tulio

          “Plus another person on that forum complained that all of the supposed elite members of that site lied their asses of and in one occasion, asked him for names so that they could make new accounts and make more shit up for a reason I can’t fathom.”

          Hadn’t heard about this. Not denying it happened, I know guys always lie and exaggerate their sex lives. I’m sure it happens there and elsewhere. Do you have a particular member you’re referring to, or a thread link? I’d love to see what you’re referring to.

        • Xera

          http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2011/12/about-models-and-models.html
          Comment number #10 and #11

          Of course you wouldn’t hear about it, why would you hear about it if you only go on Roosh? The lying thing was from someone from a different forum, can’t remember which one but it was one of those Punjabi Indians, was describing the racism towards his particular group; apparently he used to be on the upper levels there and had guys send him a messages on ideas relating to new account names so they could make stories more stories and get “known” on the forums. There was a particular member named Mixx, who was saying that Indian/Middle Eastern guys could not get Puerto Rican girls, an Indian guy posts an actual picture of himself making out with a pretty Puerto Rican girl and Mixx goes crazy and angry and guess what happens? The Indian dude gets banned from the forums; really Tulio I thought you were like a smart guy to not fall for Roosh and his cohorts of scumbags.

        • Tulio

          I clearly remember the thread where that Indian guy was posting pictures of women he supposedly made out with. But when a reverse google image search was done, it turns out the photos were of random women he pulled off the Internet. Indians have gotten a bad name on the forum because they keep trolling race issues. Mainly asking how can Indian guys get white women. Although race gets discussed there, the mods try to keep the race posting to a minimum as it always turns into a shitstorm. The Indian guys keep coming back over and over making race posts, all of them complaining that they can’t get white girls. That’s why they are not very welcome there.

        • Tulio

          Looking at the link you posted from the user “younglobalmobile”, I don’t see what’s so unbelievable about the story? He didn’t even say he got laid. He said he got some makeouts in the club. I see makeouts in clubs all the time? Why is that so hard to believe? And he said twice skinheads tried to pick a fight with him for being Asian.

          Given that the guy is completely anonymous and isn’t selling books on how to get girls, I don’t see what he has to gain from fabricating reports in such a way.

        • Xera

          Clearly if you were a smart guy you would known that in the Baltics they don’t speak English there and the fact that the guy was feeling like a “rockstar” which is not possible since he could not have communicated he was studying energy development in the Baltics; given how men of that region are pretty well-built and good looking compared to an average looking asian guy, a guy that is a member of the least attractive race in the world with small manparts, it just doesn’t add up!!!! Plus if you look at some of the guys posts you would have known that guy indirectly sells stuff on that forum. Surely you would have picked up on that man.

        • Xera

          Well this wasn’t just another “indian troll”, the guy actually verified he was going out with an actual “Puerto Rican” girl, with actual pictures and this wasn’t the case where it was a random google picture. The kid was 17 but apparently he was too much for the guy Mixx to handle. BTW that Asian dude was lying out his ass or exaggerating beyond relief, the guy is 5.9 and an average Asian for christs sake!!! Guys from that part of the world are pretty well endowed and pretty fucking good looking compared to your average Asian which this guy was; so it seems extremely implausible he would be scoring 8′s and 9′s in competition to the guys there and attract attention, plus he couldn’t even speak the language which make this story more glaringly false.

        • Tulio

          Maybe I’m not sure who the Indian guy you’re referring to is. I may be thinking of someone else. What is your fixation with how supposedly ugly Asian men are. There are decent looking Asian guys out there. And from what I hear, E. European mean are not known as particularly good looking or stylish. As for the English thing, it’s pretty commonly spoken throughout Europe by anyone under 30. They grow up on the same Hollywood movies, rap music and MTV that American kids do. Plus that’s usually everyone’s first second language to learn as it’s the most globally useful. Older folks probably speak none however. In much of Northern Europe, all of Scandinavia, Holland, much of Germany, English is as well understood as their own native native language.

          From an Estonian guy:
          http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110124143910AAbEHwP

          “But I would say that over 90% of people between 12-35 can speak English. I personally don’t know anyone who is in that agegroup and can’t speak English. People over 35 don’t speak English very well (because they were taught during the Soviet occupation and speak Russian better than English).

          Estonias largest social networking site (rate.ee) has data of over 300,000 people, where 71% of them have marked that they speak English.

          As long as you stay in places, where there are a lot of tourists, you’ll be fine.
          Source(s):
          I’m Estonian.”

          I assume it’s the same for other Baltic countries.

        • Amusing, interesting discourse and a little up my alley. First a little background info. I worked as an SF3 first officer for the aircraft leasing wing of Saab AB, located in Gothenburg, Sweden. I flew for Estonian Air when Saab leased two Saab 340A prop liners for the Summer and Winter operations in 2008-09. So I have a fair bit of social and professional experience in the Baltics, Balkans, Nord and Central Europe.

          From what I have observed in the year and a half I lived in that part of the world, most Central and East Europeans speak English. At least, the upper class, school and college educated types do. It is pretty much impossible to get through a university program in East Europe if you don’t have a decent grasp of English language.

          Also, there are a lot of Japanese, Chinese and other East Asians working all over the region, mostly in telecommunications, electronics and related fields. One thing I’s say is that one needs very tight game to score with women in that part of the world. Most EE guys have done a year or two in the military and they are the alpha-iest as they come around, not the American self-styled ‘alpha’ types like Roosh defines; but real world alpha. Very confident, sharply dressed and very protective of their ‘assets’. Of course, I am talking of the educated, urban types.

          I wouldn’t imagine an average Asian guy with mediocre game having a good playing field, unless he picks the Kawai subculture (which is quite a popular subculture in that part of the world and the women are absolutely into East Asian men, subject to meeting the ‘good looks’ criteria). Having said that, if an East Asian/Mongoloid guy has very good game, is good looking, in shape, high status, confident and has a good dressing sense, he wouldn’t have much of a problem scoring with the girls there. It is more up to the individual more than the race.

          I have encountered a lot of the Indian types you mention. This is a common quirk I have noticed both among Indian and Middle Eastern types – an obsession with laying white girls. Most of these guys are virgins past their 20, because their women won’t put out before marriage and they can’t marry unless they have ‘settled down’ professionally. The extended celibacy puts a toll on their sense of masculinity and makes very sexually desperate. A white woman is probably their only hope and redemption since she has lower inhibitions; except that they don’t have the style or game to score. Hence, they want to find out if a white woman would go for an ‘Indian’, ‘Egyptian’ or guy because the race card is their only hope. Most of them are very OCD like about race so of course, it is very difficult to reason with them that it is not race thats the primary value in the dating market.

        • Xera

          But the field report was not referring to the Upper class at all, he was specifically talking about the local girls and I am not sure they would speak English at an adequate level. The Baltics region was specifically considered a region of the Russian Empire and I highly doubt of all the people that reside there, an average looking ASIAN Guy would somehow just by visiting for couple of weeks, get past the cultural nuances and suddenly have 8′s and 9′s dropping their panties. The Baltics is actually part of Northern Europe, not Eastern Europe and Russia where most of the ugly ogre-pretty girl pairings match up as once again seen on Roosh. The story sounds way too fabricated and unrealistic for it to happen and of course the guy HAS sold stuff on that forum but apparently you didn’t find that out.

        • Xera

          I was specifically attacking Roosh and the ridiculousness of some of his followers. Lets face, a lot of the people on there are lying scumbags but the most tragic thing is that even smart people like you actually fall for him.

        • Xera

          “score. Hence, they want to find out if a white woman would go for an ‘Indian’, ‘Egyptian’ or guy because the race card is their only hope. Most of them are very OCD like about race so of course, it is very difficult to reason with them that it is not race thats the primary value in the dating market.”

          Nice try AI, but none of that applies to me or has applied to me in the past; I have gotten PLENTY of interest from White girls and attractive ones at that that I don’t have to take “vows of celibacy”, I’m not a slumdog or south east Asian mutt like you, I actually am well endowed and am tall enough that I don’t have to carve out a pretentious caricature of myself on the internet. You on the other hand I’m willing to bet, happen to be pretty short, and not so well-endowed, I would love to see you how much “style” you have unless it doesn’t involve throwing money around.

  11. And by the way, my above comment is addressed to Tulio. I have absolutely no desire to get into a camel dung slinging contest with an internet tough guy.

    • Xera

      Of course why would you? After all you just demonstrated you really don’t know about what you are talking about but pretend to, which time and time again you prove to do so. For example you just illustrated why you don’t know absolute shit about U.S history: THE MARSHALL PLAN was specifically the aid that the U.S gave to EUROPE to rebuild from the AFTERMATH of WWII. It did not get the U.S into a superpower; ROOSEVELT and TRUMAN were also not the sole reason why the U.S got out of the great depression, if you had researched or knew anything close about U.S history you would have known that.

      Also it’s hilarious you are pairing Egyptian’s with lowly Indians dude stop being an insecure hybrid chink-Indian faggot. It was already said and stated by me and others countless times, that Egyptians are a multitude of a mix of races not a singular “Arab” race; but you again demonstrate the “Indian thinking” by saying stupid shit like “Camel Jockeys”. I’m Egyptian and i’ve NEVER had problems picking up white chicks in an upper middle class area of America; I’ve KNOWN other Egyptians that had little if any trouble integrating with other “white frat kids” and picking up upper-caliber sorority White chicks in college/mainstream settings. One of the biggest players I know here is an Egyptian kid and he OUTGAMES good-looking white kids on a daily basis; I can’t really say the same thing about your “Indians” here though, Girls usually don’t really like them. You don’t know shit about what the hell you are talking about and you have never lived in Egypt or been with Egyptian families/older kids in the U.S.

      Also LOL at Asian having no trouble given those characteristics; explain to me why exactly that would be the case when 8′s and 9′s of the region have the choice of the upper-tier men of their own race or other better looking races then Asians. I have seen hot Persian/ME/White girls reject these so called good looking Asian guys left and right, regardless of how buffed,talented or well-off the Asian guy was, so I have a hard time believing they could “pull”. I mean dude for the last time please stop pulling crap out of your ass, it’s getting more tiring arguing with a pretentious annoying pseudo-intellectual idiot who can’t seem to admit wrongness but wants to pathetically give an image of self-inquiry on the interwebs.

    • I don’t understand why you keep warbling like a kindergarten kid. I said nothing about the US being a superpower. Put on your reading glasses. Buy one if you don’t have one. Read again. The US become an economic powerful AFTER World War 2, replacing the position of the British Empire. US AND World history, kiddo.

      Your pathological obsession with bad mouthing other races and their physical attributes is not a sign of insecurity at all because all successful, masculine and confident upper class guys who pick up ‘white chicks’ like to play the tough guy on the internet. It is their favourite past time. Please continue with your stories, they are *absolutely* believable and I am VERY convinced, not to mention, entertained. We don’t even need evidence or sources for whatever you say, because you words, sir, is the ultimate source of all facts on earth.

      I am sure Egyptians are made of gold. Could you please tutor my lowly lowly self your supreme Egyptian pickup tricks? I am absolutely dying to get laid with one of those chubby Egyptian ‘chicks’ with with mutilated genitals. Must be a heavenly experience. Perhaps, I should rejoin VSV and start flying charters to Hurghada.

      • Xera

        Good to see that you are throwing aroud words and then denying them all together Mr.Hybrid Chink fag. Now lets look at your words real carefully:
        “On top of that, the US boosted itself to become the economic powerhouse after the World War 2, when the Marshall Plan stimulated the American economy more than any precedant. There was no slave trade to speak of. The Middle East and South Asia on the other hand, were more concerned about political and military cock fights, that totally left them an economic wasteland which they now attribute to the ‘Evils of American/British Imperialism’.

        • I see where you camel brain missed it. The Marshall Plan stimulated the US economy. Stimulated, kid. Even if the beneficiary was Europe, the aid given by US created a pan-European market for American products and services. The US market extended beyond the American hemisphere.

          Stick to camels, Mr. Xera. The nuances of economics, history or social dynamics are way too much for your low IQ brain. I really hope you have an extra large dick, because there is very little hope otherwise.

        • Xera

          I’m sorry I was in the middle of posting a huge paragraph and I accidentally posted half of it on this post, everyone please venture towards the bottom post, by mistake I posted a broken part of my post on here. It seems AI just can’t stop being an ugly nasty little dog, especially when it concerns matters where he gets owned or just SLIGHTLY proven wrong.

        • Xera

          I think you should stick to your little backwards India village AI, that hybrid chink-Indian think doesn’t seem to work out. You should stick to being some sort of ugly ass tribal without actual logical reasoning methods to discern between entire peoples and English sentence structures while getting owned by a bunch of slumdog’s w/ sticks and WWI weapons.

          “I see where you camel brain missed it. The Marshall Plan stimulated the US economy. Stimulated, kid. Even if the beneficiary was Europe, the aid given by US created a pan-European market for American products and services. The US market extended beyond the American hemisphere.”
          That is incorrect and this is exactly what I was saying was wrong and which proves you are a fucking moron who doesn’t know much about U.S history. No U.S stimulus actually got the U.S out of the depression but you just can’t seem to fucking get a clue or grasp U.S history because you don’t know absolute SHIT about this topic. BTW please stop proving your dumb and that you are a childish insecure little faggot, the whole Camel jockey thing really is getting old. Yes I do have a giant ass cock, in all likeliness bigger then yours or any of your ugly relatives for that matter; I think it comes from that superior partial black genetics of mine in some distant past combined with Libyan/Greek blood.

        • Xera

          Once again AI. the U.S didn’t need a “pan-European” market dumbshit, they already had access to a global market including Europe’s, and a DOMESTIC one of their own, it was the Europeans that destroyed themselves and AMERICA had to come and save them you moron. The only reason why AMERICA interfered in WWII was because they blockaded Japan which resulted in Pearl Harbor and because of Japan’s alliance to NAZI GERMANY, the U.S had to interfere in Europe. Atheist Indian, for god fucking sakes you don’t know absolute shit about U.S history or about anything you talk about outside your specialty (Indian slumdog locusts), please stop it’s already draining my brain cells arguing with your consistently factually wrong and stupid arguments.

          I think the complications and nuances of certain topics such as U.S history and the dynamics of it, is way too much to handle for you AI or ugly tribal man; stick to being an ugly tribal and slaughtering those Indians here and there please.

      • Xera

        Good to see that you throw words around and then deny them once someone points them out. I think it’s your “formal english” thing where your mind is actually processing words and then the Indo-chinkness suddenly comes into action where you don’t have an awareness of certain English sentences you are putting down and the actual meaning behind it. But then again processing information in the formal English sense seems to be quite a fucking challenge for you but then you resort to all sorts complicated mental gymnastics to cover up your deficiencies. I understand blatant denial and propensity to cover up mistakes is something really common in Indians, now combine that with the fact that you are a hybrid between that and a chink, a worthwhile combination.

        So let’s look at what you said really carefully:
        “On top of that, the US boosted itself to become the economic powerhouse after the World War 2, when the Marshall Plan stimulated the American economy more than any precedant. There was no slave trade to speak of. The Middle East and South Asia on the other hand, were more concerned about political and military cock fights, that totally left them an economic wasteland which they now attribute to the ‘Evils of American/British Imperialism’ ”
        To this:
        “I don’t understand why you keep warbling like a kindergarten kid. I said nothing about the US being a superpower. Put on your reading glasses. Buy one if you don’t have one. Read again. The US become an economic powerful AFTER World War 2, replacing the position of the British Empire. US AND World history, kiddo.”
        See there is a huge difference between the first paragraph and the second paragraph mind you, the words the “Marshall plan stimulated the American economy” is false as I had just pointed out but then you resorted to your 6 year old egoic mental gymnastics petty insults. In the second paragraph you don’t refer to what you even said previously, instead you cover what you said and instead make a generalized sentence about the U.S becoming economically powerful AFTER World War 2. I wasn’t referring to whether or not the U.S became an “economic power” AFTER Word war 2 but the thought and sentence of “the marshall plan stimulated the American economy more then any other precedent” and “America boosted itself up”, which is completely untrue. The statement, “US become an economic powerful AFTER World War 2, replacing the position of the British Empire. US AND World history, kiddo.” is also false

        The Marshall plan didn’t stimulate the U.S economy, infact it wasn’t even an economic package to even boost the U.S economy at all but apparently your genius mind didn’t grasp this fact; it was a direct aid to Europe to counter Soviet domination in Eastern and Central Europe. No president in the U.S actually got the U.S out of the great depression that’s a huge big misconception that most novices to U.S history seem to make; but then you are not even a novice you are just a fucking pseudo-intellectual annoying retard. So let’s further look at what you said real carefully. First the U.S was already becoming a world economic power in its own right, there were accounts by the British that America, particularly the city of New York was rising and was the “next place to invest and be”. Secondly if you knew anything about U.S history, which I’m sure being the annoying little pseudo-intellectual faggot that you are don’t know much about, you would know that the U.S went around to countries such as Panama, the Phillipines, Texas and New Mexico (parts of then Spanish Mexico),purchased Alaska from the Russian Empire, acquired Spanish Puerto Rico, Guantanamo and Pacific Hawaii+Samoa for economic/financial gain, forced their way into Japan for the exact same reason and their interference in opening up China. The precedent was clear that the U.S was becoming a major economic force and player in the world alongside the then British Empire, Germans, Russians etc. So the statement “the US become an economic powerful AFTER World War 2, replacing the position of the British Empire. US AND World history, kiddo.” is false and also GRAMMATICALLY incorrect. Firstly as we saw, the Soviet Union was the only contestant to the U.S in the aftermath of WW2; they were also an economic force of their own particularly towards their formers col/colonies such as Finland, the Baltics, the Far east and of course the countries in Central Asia and China.

        The statement “There was no slave trade to speak of. The Middle East and South Asia on the other hand, were more concerned about political and military cock fights, that totally left them an economic wasteland which they now attribute to the ‘Evils of American/British Imperialism’ ignores the major context of WW2 and the fact that Europe destroyed itself over cock fights which involved much of the Middle East and North Africa (then being attacked by the French+British+Germans+Italians) and AMERICA had to save them from Soviet domination. So in retrospect America ALREADY had the Industrial, military and economic base as well as colonies of it’s own to dominate the world and become a major player. They DID NOT NEED THE FALL of the British, Ottoman, German empire etc to become an “economic powerhouse” or a superpower of it’s own. The fact that the BRITISH EMPIRE fell apart due to BOTH WWI AND WWII has little relation to how America became a world player despite her interference. But because the BRITISH EMPIRE fell does not mean that AMERICA replaced the BRITISH and THEN became an Industrial power/player but that AMERICA became a world SUPERPOWER AFTER the fall of major European powers which includes the British in the context of the WORLD. Secondly the statement that slavery didn’t even exist is ALSO FALSE because slavery existed in multitudes of other forms but that’s another argument for another day. So we come to your statement once again: “I said nothing about the US being a superpower. Put on your reading glasses. Buy one if you don’t have one. Read again. The US become an economic powerful AFTER World War 2, replacing the position of the British Empire. US AND World history, kiddo.”I said nothing about the US being a superpower. Put on your reading glasses. Buy one if you don’t have one. Read again. The US become an economic powerful AFTER World War 2, replacing the position of the British Empire. US AND World history, kiddo.” As was shown, everything in that statement was false; you just said that the U.S wasn’t a superpower, which it is and was, and then you just said that the U.S replaced the BRITISH EMPIRE which was a superpower. So indirectly you just said that the U.S IS a superpower AFTER the fact that they REPLACED the British and World history. So basically you can’t really understand what you are even saying let alone the meanings and word structures of the English language to what they actually mean and how they are connected and syntax in sentence structures. But then you deny even the most silliest petty mistakes and cover it up for your own little ego, another trait really common to Indians.

        So now that you have demonstrated your “formal logic and english skills”, I think you need to do some work such as getting reading glasses, not being a stupid-pseudo pretentious intellectual faggot, and actually somehow, getting a functioning brain that is capable of processing the complexities of the English sentences and it’s language plus actual logic.

        “Your pathological obsession with bad mouthing other races and their physical attributes is not a sign of insecurity at all because all successful, masculine and confident upper class guys who pick up ‘white chicks’ like to play the tough guy on the internet. It is their favourite past time. Please continue with your stories, they are *absolutely* believable and I am VERY convinced, not to mention, entertained. We don’t even need evidence or sources for whatever you say, because you words, sir, is the ultimate source of all facts on earth.”

        I don’t have a “pathological obsession” with insulting other races, however there are people on this particular blog who are even far far worse then me when it comes to “bad mouthing” other races. Just look at your Chink cousins Hacienda, Huax and various other peoples who have said some pretty nasty stuff to Tulio and others about Blacks and other minority groups to people’s faces online. I myself have NEVER said bad anything about Blacks or Hispanics, Polynesians etc but I REALLY wouldn’t be surprised if you dislike Blacks since you really hate yourself for what you are as you should and have NEVER objected to the certain treatment the above people get from others, even from your own, why am I not surprised by the double standards behavior there AI? Now we had a discussion about this before but the fact that you are pin pointing me like a person that is UNIQUE when it comes to discussions about races on this particular blog shows how much of a pathetic childish faggot you are. I mean this is a blog about RACE and touchy topics, what do you EXPECT discussions here to be about? Also don’t forget the huge argument that Huax, Cyrus, Robert, Tulio, Bay Area guy, Wade, Hacienda got into which devolved into racial epithets and slurs that could contest and was far worse then what I am saying here now; but then again you have trouble with English sentence structures, syntax and coherent reading comprehension skills with understanding thought processes on how to properly connect them. You should like try to install some sort of logic drive in your brain man.

        Also I’m not playing “tough guy”, I am a man of truth and inquiry. However what I’ve said about the “white chicks” is true, I have also seen with my OWN EYES, so called “upper class masculine successful” ASIANS get rejected left and right because of their race. Since I actually live in an upper class area of the United States, possibly ranked the best place to live and raise a child in the U.S, I have witnessed firsthand “Asian supremacy” in the form of rejection from “Caucasian chicks”, white-wannabe backstabbingness and the ultimate triumph of small dickiness Asian loathing behavior. Of all the girls that “upper class masculine Asian successful” could get, all of them were left overs and WERE NOT top-caliber/upper caliber girls of those other races. I have NEVER seen a Persian/Lebanese/White 8-10 that went out with a “upper class masculine Asian successful” guy no matter how much “game” he had and the chicks that went out with them that weren’t of their race were chicks that were pretty much up chicks I could get/pump and dump all the way not eye magnets. So based on my experiences, Roosh’s own confessions on his race totem pole thing, it makes those whole faux Asian guy success stories seem like a fucking pipe dream and unbelievable. Especially when it concerns a male race that has been STATISTICALLY rated the least attractive race of males by other race females on a world wide basis in a formal University survey.

        “I am sure Egyptians are made of gold. Could you please tutor my lowly lowly self your supreme Egyptian pickup tricks? I am absolutely dying to get laid with one of those chubby Egyptian ‘chicks’ with with mutilated genitals. Must be a heavenly experience. Perhaps, I should rejoin VSV and start flying charters to Hurghada”

        Damn son, I just OWNED and raped the shit out of you above and in the previous post, how does it feel like getting burned so horribly? Now it’s good to see that you have to display your insecure little fucking ego and resort to childish racial epithets when you are cornered, AI. It’s pretty fucking pathetic but sort of hilarious and funny at the same time. Oh boy oh boy, I sure wouldn’t want to see the heavenly blessed beauties that are the perfect race of Assamese, they sure do get owned badly by a bunch of slumdogs and the WORLD CARES SO MUCH ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!! Now that you posted horrible examples of my race of people, should I post pictures and videos of Indians slums and the poverty of Assam? Now about the thing with chubby Egyptian chicks, the thing is that that’s only type of Egyptian girl that you will get and will get no matter now much you try AI, since you are in all probability an ugly ass motherfucker. The upper tier Egyptian girls, and they are pretty ugly given the fact that a couple have won international beauty contests here and there, don’t even fall for Western White men, so it’s really unlikely you will even get 6 feet near them. But then again my good chap, I say good luck to you and your cock enlarging goals in the future!! Oh by the way, your such a “tough guy” beating up homeless muggers that anyone could physically handle including an average 15 year old, way to “prove” your an “internet keyboard warrior”, don’t pull that shit on me bro you are scaring me!!! You are scaring me!! You are scaring me!!! Don’t throw stones in glass houses now!!!!

        “By the way, my apologies for putting up all those ‘pretend’ facts, Mr. Xera. It must really hurt, to have all your unsourced alternate reality history challenged by a lowly lowly guy like me on the internet. What a tragedy! So what shall we talk about now, how Egyptians developed the Ark of the Covenant that Indiana Jones stole to America? Or perhaps, Egyptians not only used toilet papers in 3000 B.C. but electric grids, liposuction and commode bathroom systems as well.”

        Yes it must really hurt, when someone has to resort to mental gymnastics, childish insults, and egoic little drivels when he is proven wrong even in the slightest way. This same person doesn’t have the balls or the guts to admit he is wrong. You don’t know absolute about what the fuck you talk about, especially U.S history and my country for that matter. You were proven to be FACTUALLY wrong on a number of occasions and make/mix shit up as a response to that and then you go around saying stupid shit such as I live in a “alternate history and reality”, please man stop and GTFO, you are just way too embarrassing and really fucking stupid & arrogant to handle.

        • Aakash

          LOL.

          You better be jobless or have a job that allows slacking for hours at a stretch.

        • Xera

          Don’t worry, I’m just a kid remember? Atheist Indian told me so

        • @ Aakash
          Don’t be surprised. If you haven’t been here a while, Xera might be a bit too much to take. It gets his jollies off to troll random blogs and talk about how glorious his motherland is, while he insults people of races/ethnic groups he has a personal vendetta against.

          When something gets his goat, he comes online, makes essays insulting Indians, Asians and any race/ethnic group that he feels in the mood to strike. Doesn’t insult whitey, because that’ll get his e-arse kicked out of blogs. He also visits Body Building and PUA/Game forums a lot, which speaks of a desire to get buff and a need to get laid.

          Probably works in something humdrum, like a cab driver and lives a relatively asocial life in an Arab ghetto. This would explain his rigid notions about race and social dynamics; when real world social/dating dynamics are far more nuanced and less predictable, given the fluidity of human nature.

          He is actually very likeable. Very emotional and immature, in a cute way, like a lot of Middle Eastern youngsters I met/meet. Just provoke him and watch him froth his 400 word drivel, telling you with a good bit of self-congratulatory notes, of what an ugly and pathetic faggot/chink/Indian you are compared to his upper class jock self who gets laid with ‘white chicks’ left, right and center. It is his trademark insult.

          If things gets too repetetive or boring, up the ante by saying something that hits his nerve, something unsavoury about his home country (which he absolutely hates). You’ll get things like:

          “…your insecure little fucking ego…pretty fucking pathetic…bunch of slumdogs…ugly ass motherfucker…”

          Jackpot!

          …I’ll get back to my coffee

        • On retrospective, he might actually be a kid. Which is probably why he doesn’t realise how much he sounds like a PMSing teenage girl. Just a thought.

      • Xera

        [b] Everyone please refer to the bottom post, the first response was incorrect and was a piece that was posted accidentally as I was typing this brutal slaughtering of this ugly nasty arrogant dog. [/b]

        • Dota

          Xera

          “Once again AI. the U.S didn’t need a “pan-European” market dumbshit, they already had access to a global market including Europe’s, and a DOMESTIC one of their own, it was the Europeans that destroyed themselves and AMERICA had to come and save them you moron.”

          This is only partially correct. If Chomsky is to be believed (and I don’t trust him entirely I might add) then the Marshal plan was a scheme to enrich America’s elites at the expense of the tax payer. So in some ways, they needed the European markets. The aid came from the taxpayers, went to Europe and made its way back to corporate America as Europe started buying American.

        • Xera

          But we aren’t discussing whether or not the Marshall was secretly a plan to enrich American elites and it’s relation to conspiracy theories. What we are discussing is whether or not the Marshall plan was a direct aid to Europe, which it was by all accounts and according to mainstream U.S sources. Athiest Indian is wrong because he thought that the Marshall plan was an economic stimulus towards the U.S economy which it wasn’t as I pointed out and then he changed the statement and the message of his post as soon as I pointed this fact out. The U.S already had access to world markets other and also a strong domestic market system of it’s own, it wouldn’t have meant squat to the U.S, whether Nazi Germany controlled Europe or Imperial Japan controlled the far East, the U.S would still be trading and keeping itself well-off. Also the Marshall plan was not the reason the U.S became an economic powerhouse, it was already an economic engine since the days of WWI and after it it lifted it’s industrial base towards WWII. But AI can’t understand can’t seem to grasp or understand this actual historical thing.

        • What you inferred:
          “…the Marshall plan was an economic stimulus towards US….”

          What I actually said:
          “…the Marshall Plan stimulated the American economy…..”

          My statement talks of a consequence, you implied an action. They are two different implications that someone with basic English comprehension and reasoning skills can figure out. Dota did it in a snap. But I guess my statement overloaded your cognitive circuits and came up with a logical error. I can see now why you think my arguments demand mental gymnastics, you have the cognitive skills of an average 13 year old.

  12. By the way, my apologies for putting up all those ‘pretend’ facts, Mr. Xera. It must really hurt, to have all your unsourced alternate reality history challenged by a lowly lowly guy like me on the internet. What a tragedy! So what shall we talk about now, how Egyptians developed the Ark of the Covenant that Indiana Jones stole to America? Or perhaps, Egyptians not only used toilet papers in 3000 B.C. but electric grids, liposuction and commode bathroom systems as well.

  13. Bay Area Guy

    @ Atheist Indian

    Interesting links.

    There does seem to be a problem with sexual harassment/rape among Middle Eastern/Muslim men.

    Whether it’s Pakistanis in Britain, Moroccans in the Netherlands (ie. the whole “loverboy” phenomenon), or even Iraqis in Finland of all places (Iraqis are only 0.1% of the population, but Iraqi men account for 5% of all rapes , Middle Eastern/brown people seem to have a rape problem

    The rape itself is bad enough as it is, but the fact that they’re doing it in their host nations, against the local women is all the more appalling. It just goes to show that there’s a newly developed entitlement mentality among many non-white immigrants in the West, who expect all the benefits of freedom of speech, tolerance, government benefits, opportunity, etc, but at the same time don’t feel like they have to assimilate or respect the local population/culture.

    And then they self-righteously accuse white people of “racism” and “xenophobia.”

    When in Rome, do as Romans do.

    (likewise, this applies to arrogant, insensitive white tourists/expats in non-white countries. However, there is a big difference between visiting a country and living there)

    • Dúnedain

      When a country is infected by poisonous ideologies like feminism, egalitarianism, and multiculturalism combined with an open immigration policy, it’s a recipe of disaster.

      Feminism has turned European women, especially Northern European into whores. Immigrants and “asylum seekers” from third world shit holes see these women as easy prey. Feminism also emasculates men and nowhere do we see this more than in Northern Europe. So the indigenous men just sit around and don’t do shit while they’re women are being raped by foreigners. Look how angry the Iraqis get when American troops rape their women. No men in their right mind would tolerate foreign men coming into their country and raping their women.

      • Bay Area Guy

        Yeah, it’s pretty pathetic.

        Since this thread is about white nationalism, one white nationalist, James Edwards, hit the nail on the head when he said that “you can’t have a first world nation with a third world population.”

        Of course, he meant that from an HBD standpoint, while I look at it from more of a cultural standpoint.

        But regardless, as they say, demography is destiny.

        This insanity cannot last. Sooner or later, there will be a backlash. Hopefully, it doesn’t devolve into Russian style neo-nazi/skinhead violence, but SOMETHING has to be done.

        • Dúnedain

          I’ve heard that quote before. I’m not sure if it was from him or someone else. Speaking of quotes, how does one quote on this site? I noticed posters usually use italics to quote.

          But yeah, people have to be pretty deluded to think the United States will continue being a first world nation with a growing nonwhite population and an ever-declining White population. One only needs to look at what shit holes cities like Baltimore, Detroit, and New Orleans(There’s more but it would be such a long list) have become to know what America’s future holds.

        • tulio

          It’s funny how you WNs use the term “non-white” at times like this all-encompassing broad stroke. As if there aren’t tremendous differences between “non-whites” themselves. So an Australian Aboriginal and a Japanese can be thrown into the same category? It doesn’t matter the skin color of the immigrants, it matters whether you are bringing in immigrants with education and skills. Letting in a Nigerian with an advanced degree or an electrical Engineer from India isn’t going to bring about the demise of the United States. And besides, since the US is the least white of all the Western countries, it should stand to reason that we should be the least functional and have the lowest per capita income. But that clearly isn’t the case. Why is America with it’s huge non-white population better off than Russia that is probably 95% or more white?

          And as for Detroit, it is at the center of the rust belt, it has been on the decline for years with the gutting of manufacturing. You can find plenty of towns in the rust belt that are shitholes and are full of broke white people. As for New Orleans, what’s so awful about it? It’s one of the most touristed cities in N. America. There must be something charming about it or why do so many people vacation there?

        • Dúnedain

          @ Tulio

          True, not all nonwhites are the same. East Asians probably assimilate the best. In fact, they’ve assimilated better than blacks who have been in the U.S. for hundreds of years.

          Sure, there are poor White towns but they’re safer than black areas regardless of poverty. If I’m traveling through a poor White town, I don’t have to be worried about being carjacked, robbed, or murdered. I’ve also been to some Chinatowns across the U.S. during the day and at night and I always felt safe.

          We’ve seen it time and time again. When the black population increases in a neighborhood, town, or city, crime increases and the quality of life goes to shit. The same can be said for mestizos but on a lesser scale.

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Tulio

          It doesn’t matter the skin color of the immigrants, it matters whether you are bringing in immigrants with education and skills. Letting in a Nigerian with an advanced degree or an electrical Engineer from India isn’t going to bring about the demise of the United States.

          As I’ve said in the past and on other blogs (such as Eurasian Sensation or Koreabang), 3rd world immigration can work if it is highly selective.

          Indian immigrants in the U.S, for example, are highly successful, but they are part of a brain drain, and tend to come to the U.S. with money and educational already under their belt. They also tend to be few in number.

          However, if a random sampling of India’s general population were to migrate to the U.S. en masse, the portrait of Indian Americans in the U.S. would be far less pretty, and there would likely be growing anti-Indian sentiment.

          Unfortunately, what you have in places like Europe (and in the Southwestern United States with the Mexicans) is a large, poor, uneducated, random sampling of 3rd world populations, and this has indeed been problematic.

          If all Mexican immigrants were electrical engineers, they wouldn’t be a problem, and there would be much fewer of them.

          Why is America with it’s huge non-white population better off than Russia that is probably 95% or more white?

          I don’t know where you’re getting your 95% figure from. I recently watched a Ross Kemp documentary on neo-nazis in Russia, and he said that immigrants/ethnic minorities in Russia, mainly from Central Asia (whom the Russians would all classify as “blacks”) are around 1/3 of the population. In Moscow, foreign born people are 1/3 of the population.

          As for the U.S, it is just coasting on previous success from the 50s and before, back when it was over 80% white. The reason why this country is so “diverse” now, as compared to before, is because non-white masses wanted to move to a predominantly white country that works.

          As for why Russia sucks. Well, you combine a shitty climate and geography, there you go. They still were a superpower not too long ago.

        • Tulio

          “East Asians probably assimilate the best. In fact, they’ve assimilated better than blacks who have been in the U.S. for hundreds of years.”

          There’s a difference between assimilating better and “doing better.” One doesn’t necessitate the other. Blacks were assimilated upon arrival. Whether they wanted to or not. Blacks are as American as whites and they are a part of the cultural heritage of the country. W. African immigrants may have to assimilate(which most seem to do without problem), but black Americans assimilating?? To what? We already speak English, we’re mostly protestants, we mostly have Anglo/French names, we don’t have any other country we are loyal to and consider home, etc etc. That’s not the case with E. Asian immigrants. They may do better financially, but that has nothing to do with them assimilating better. Don’t confuse the two.

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Tulio

          Re: Assimilation versus Success

          At least based on my own anecdotal experience, I would say that Asian Americans have managed to assimilate very well. Wherever they live in perceptible numbers, they intermarry with whites more than any other racial group.

          (even American born Asian men have a relatively high intermarriage rate. For all that Asian men like to complain about “yellow fever” and white men taking their women, as Razib Khan of Brown Pundits and Gene Expression fame pointed out, when you control for immigration/native born status, the disparity between Asian women and Asian men marrying outside of their race narrows)

          For the most part, they speak English the same way white people do, watch the same TV shows, live in similar neighborhoods as them, etc.

          (and, of course, there are obvious differences between the two races)

          Put this way, if a white person were to speak with a random Asian American person on the phone and not know that they were Asian, they would likely assume they were speaking to a fellow white person.

          Have them speak with a random black person on the phone, and it would be a different story.

        • Richard Hall

          “Have them speak with a random black person on the phone, and it would be a different story” true but the “ghettospeak” has increase over the years most blacks in 50s 60s sound like dumb rednecks or at best like southerns(with noticeable voice differences)

        • tulio

          BAG, just because you can better distinguish a black person’s voice apart from a white than you would an Asian doesn’t mean the blacks are less assimilated. For example, Barack Obama when he talks SOUNDS like a black man. I can tell he’s black even without looking at the TV screen. That doesn’t mean he sound ghetto, of course. But I can tell he’s not white.

          This issue about blacks being assimilated is redundant. What blacks(or at least the ghetto ones) have always been is a permanent underclass in America. Don’t mistake being an underclass within a society for being non-assimilated. Are the Dalits in Indian not assimilated into Indian society?

        • Dota

          BAG and TULIO

          Both of you make some interesting points and I just wish to add a bit to your discussion. I agree with Tulio that Blacks are fully assimilated and that this point is not worth discussing. Blacks have been on the continent before the formation of the US as a soverign entity. They are far more American than my cousins who play football and sound like whites when they speak. But I also see where BAG is comming from. I think Asians project the illusion of being more assmilated than Blacks because they tend to adopt the norms of mainstream white culture. Whitness is normalness in North America (not that this is a bad thing) and so to outsiders/immigrants this is the default culture of the land. When I first arrived in Canada I hung out quite a bit with blacks at York U. They were the first western friends I had ever made. However at the back of my mind I still realized that this is a white country and that is the culture I aspired to assimilate into. Ofcourse I was also reprimanded for refering to canada as a ‘white country’ by my peers at school but I digress. Appart from behavioral and speech patterns I don’t see a fundamental difference in values between Whites and Blacks (correct me if I’m wrong). This is why I’ve always been perplexed as to why Whites seem so inclusive of Asians (including Subcons) but maintain a distance from blacks.

        • Alpha Unit

          I agree with your assessment, Dota. Once I referred in one of my blog posts to “unassimilated Blacks,” and this is what I meant: unassimilated into the mainstream culture. There are plenty of people in this country who are thoroughly American but are not assimilated into mainstream culture. Some are Black, some are White. They are of various ethnicities.

        • Bay Area Guy

          This is why I’ve always been perplexed as to why Whites seem so inclusive of Asians (including Subcons) but maintain a distance from blacks.

          I think Mark Mathabane, South African born black man and author of Kaffir Boy can provide some insight on this.

          He was describing how white Americans were relatively friendly towards him, and seemed to be more at ease with him than they were around black Americans.

          Mathabane, puzzled as to why this was, pointed out to those white friends of his that he knew American blacks who spoke English just as well as him. His white friends would respond with the typical, “oh, we’re not racist.”

          Mathabane then said that his theory was that he did not approach white people with the same hostility or anger that they saw black Americans as harboring.

          I think that explains a lot of it. I even notice this among certain white people today. My mom, for example, has a very low opinion of black Americans, and is always telling me to be wary around them, since they feel disrespected/slighted, are edgy, rude, hostile, etc, but is very comfortable around/has no problem with 1st generation black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean. They’re seen as being friendlier, less edgy, less aggressive, etc.

          I think some of it is the historical anger and grievances that many black Americans carry with them, whereas most Asian Americans (and to a smaller extent, even black Africans/West Indians) are either recent 1st generation or 2nd generation Americans (and for the most part, highly selected ones at that), and have more of a fresh start (ie. less bitterness and baggage) in this country.

          I think some of it is also cultural, the way that Asians tend to assimilate more into white culture (although, I have noticed more and more Asians putting on the ghetto/wannabe black act. I’ve witnessed several Asians saying “nigga,” for instance), as Dota pointed out. I think this fact makes white people more comfortable around Asians. On the flip side, they tend to see blacks as a bit of an alien subculture (even as some of them emulate it) that deliberately chooses to reject white cultural norms and is a bit separatist even.

        • Bay Area Guy

          For perhaps another theory, I turn to Malcolm X. He once said that there was a lot in a name. Because of slavery, blacks have lost their African heritage, and now have anglo surnames, in addition to first names like DeShawn and LaMarcus. Honestly, who’s going to respect a DeShawn, or even a black American with a “normal” name but who’s lumped in with such people.

          Malcolm X, in his autobiography, discussed how white Americans at places such as hotels, upon hearing his full Muslim name, tended to treat him with greater respect than they would a typical black American. Why? Because with his “ethnic” Middle Eastern sounding name, he appeared to have a heritage, a history, a proud identity, etc. He wasn’t just another ghetto negro named Tyrone, in that sense. Likewise, Angela Davis once described going into a white store during the Jim Crow era, and how by pretending to be an African immigrant, she not only was served, but even treated with dignity and respect by the store’s employees.

          Paradoxically, blacks having anglo names/non-African names has made them less respected. White people, for all that they’re seen as being xenophobic, seem to respect people who have a solid heritage.

          It’s probably no coincidence that Mestizoized Hispanics, who are predominantly of Amerindian origin, but who have Spanish names, are not regarded with respect (in addition to their low socioeconomic status). It’s also no coincidence that out of all Asians, Filipinos, with their Spanish surnames, are among the least respected.

          (I’ve heard Filipinos referred to as the “niggers of asia” by one black person even)

          While Asians are seen as having strong family values, a rich history, heritage, culture, etc, blacks are seen as a rootless underclass with poor cultural values, in addition to being aggressive and hostile in a way that Asians aren’t. Not to mention that white men find Asian women a lot more attractive than black women! ;-)

          Sorry for the long responses, but that’s my take on it.

        • Bay Area Guy

          It’s funny how you WNs use the term “non-white” at times like this all-encompassing broad stroke. As if there aren’t tremendous differences between “non-whites” themselves. So an Australian Aboriginal and a Japanese can be thrown into the same category?

          Well, I don’t use the term “minorities,” since I’m a white person from the Bay Area, and we’re the minority there, and I’ve always been a white minority in most of my social/peer groups. I also don’t use the term “people of color,” since that’s the preferred term of the white hating anti-racists/Critical Race Theorists, and I’m not about to use the term preferred by my ideological enemies.

          I know that you think such terms are foolish, but let’s say I do need to refer to the general non-white/non-Western population in any given Western country, what term would you have me use?

        • Tulio

          “Paradoxically, blacks having anglo names/non-African names has made them less respected. White people, for all that they’re seen as being xenophobic, seem to respect people who have a solid heritage.”

          I’m not so sure about that theory. Notice how bigoted whites kept playing up the foreignness of Barack Obama’s name during the election. That played a huge factor into why many viewed him as “un-American”. If his name was Brad Smith, he’d have been given less flack, at least w/ regards to his Americanness.

          I do think you may be onto something regarding the way whites treat black Americans vs black Africans. There is a lot of bad blood and racial hangups between black and white Americans. It’s not a surprise that they may treat blacks from outside of this relationship differently. It’s the same in Latin America. Black Latins may be treated like shit in their respective countries. But when they found out I was American, I was considered like a different race or something.

        • Hacienda

          “White people, for all that they’re seen as being xenophobic, seem to respect people who have a solid heritage.”

          “seem to” that’s the important part. Whitey in N. America respects Black anger, because that’s the heritage of the Americas. “Black Gold”.

        • Hacienda

          “But when they found out I was American, I was considered like a different race or something.”

          For the first 20 years of my life I thought all blacks were like the ghetto blacks in Chicago’s South Side. Angry, “Kill Whitey”, closet rapist. Then I discovered that I was wrong. The truth is everyone is angry, wants to “kill whitey”, and is a closet rapist. This is true of all races.

        • FG

          @Tulio
          “I do think you may be onto something regarding the way whites treat black Americans vs black Africans. There is a lot of bad blood and racial hangups between black and white Americans. It’s not a surprise that they may treat blacks from outside of this relationship differently. It’s the same in Latin America. Black Latins may be treated like shit in their respective countries. But when they found out I was American, I was considered like a different race or something.”

          I definitely think this ethnoracial dynamic exists in the US and that some immigrant groups have picked up on it. Hispanic migrants from the Caribbean (e.g. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic) are a case in point. Many of these folks appear to be (and are) predominantly African in descent but deny that they are “black ” in any sense, preferring to identify themselves by their home country. They restrict use of the term “black” to those of African American slave ancestry and actually adhere to the one drop rule based on this criterion. They want the term “black” to represent an outcast American ethnic group, rather than an all-encompassing racial category which would include them as well, in the hopes of improving their odds of assimilation.

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Tulio

          Yes, I do think that not being part of a bad relationship/dynamic plays a key role.

          To go back to Malcolm X, he discussed how the white Muslims he encountered during his Hajj to Mecca saw themselves as human beings, harbored no racism, and that Islam had taken the “white attitude” away from them.

          I think there, Malcolm demonstrated great naivety. Those white Muslims (who presumably would be from places such as Albania, Bosnia, or other Muslim parts of the Balkans), to the extent that they were non-racist and tolerant of blacks, weren’t somehow noble or saintly, and Islam hadn’t made them colorblind.

          Because they came from relatively homogenous societies without any blacks, they had no reason to really hate blacks, and black Americans such as Malcolm posed no threat to them.

        • Dota

          BAG

          Islam itself does not cleanse racism because ultimately culture and race have the last word. However it aspires towards universal brotherhood (the story of Adam and Eve is interpreted to highlight mankind’s common ancestry) and it’s this ideal that some black converts find appealing, or so I was told. I suspect that Malcolm x understood this at some level.

        • Tulio

          I also read the blog of this black American woman who was visiting Paris. The French cab driver started complaining about Africans and Arabs in the country. And then she said, “you realize I’m black too right?” And he said, “it’s not the same, you’re American.”

          I think this happens everywhere. Gypsies may be hated all across Europe. But people in America don’t relate to any of that.

      • Gay State Girl

        Gay Area Guy
        That doesn’t make sense. Read Stephen Dubner. Black people only started giving their children crazy names in the late ’60′s after Malcolm X was assasinated. Then they started bastardizing English, French, Arabic and African names to suit their tastes.

        • Bay Area Guy

          GSG

          I was writing a pretty long post, and yes, I do recognize that the dumb black names we associate with black people today was a legacy of the 60s/70s black power era. Not only the names, but black ghetto English/culture has ironically grown even more distant from white America since the days of the civil rights movement.

          However, had they not lost their African heritage in the first place, such stupid names would never have come about in the first place.

          No way an immigrant from Nigeria would name his kid DeQuan.

        • Gay State Girl

          http://takimag.com/article/a_trayvon_by_any_other_name_steve_sailer#axzz1ubweRV5R

          Frankly I don’t know why White Nationalist publications even bother getting involved in internal black issues. What’s it to them?

          Do you think the tendency of celebrities to compete for ridiculous names for their children was motivated by that?

    • Xera

      I don’t disagree with anything on what you said at all however you are forgetting how White tourists go around raping little girls and whores in South East Asia. Your also forgetting how they pretty much raped and looted during the Vietnam wars and in some cases, during the fall of Japan.

      • Bay Area Guy

        @ Xera

        White tourists go around raping little girls and whores in South East Asia. Your also forgetting how they pretty much raped and looted during the Vietnam wars and in some cases, during the fall of Japan.

        There is a huge difference, Xera. Keywords include “tourists” and “soldiers.”

        While I am ashamed of the behavior of such white tourists, and particularly the atrocities of white soldiers in places such as Afghanistan, they are soldiers, our tourists.

        It is a far different cry from being an immigrant and permanent resident. If you’re going to permanently live in a country, receive generous welfare benefits (I’m looking at you, Somalis in Sweden), sire kids there who will have the right of citizenship, and overall take advantage of that country’s opportunities permanently, then the burden of proof is on you to assimilate, respect the natives, and do your best to integrate into society.

        As deplorable as the actions of certain white soldiers and tourists abroad is, they at least are not intending to permanently live there, and unfortunately, such behavior is common among soldiers.

        If those same white soldiers were to decide to permanently live there, then that would be unforgivable.

        • Bay Area Guy

          The native Afghanis, Southeast Asians, and other people would be fully justified in showing those white American assholes and rapists the door.

          Likewise, indigenous white Europeans are fully justified in showing the door to turd world brown rapists residing in their countries.

        • @ Bay Area Guy
          Exactly. While the actions of American soldiers in Vietnam were deplorable, it was still a war. Rape is an act of aggression and violence AND in conventional wars, violence is a given. Put the two together, take into account the psych of soldiers fighting in Vietnam and we get a situation where rapes happen. It was the same when the Japs invaded Manchuria, Soviets invaded Germany or further back in history, Muhammad’s forces conquered the native Arab/Jewish rebels.

          During the course of Indo-China War, over 4000 American MIA were ‘sold’ to Soviet Union as a part of the Surface-to-Air missile exchange program, so it wasn’t particularly a clean war, even from the Vietcong side.
          [Source: The Soviet Union And the Third World, Korbonski & Fukuyama]
          [Cold War archives in the Senate House Libraries, University of London]

          While I dislike sex tourism of Thailand or Cambodia from an ethical point of view and I dislike the North American base that pretty much made Thailand a global sex destination, a lot of countries are equally guilty for boosting this market at the present. Indians, Chinese, Japanese, British, you name it. It is more of a humanitarian issue than a race issue.

        • Bay Area Guy

          While I dislike sex tourism of Thailand or Cambodia from an ethical point of view and I dislike the North American base that pretty much made Thailand a global sex destination, a lot of countries are equally guilty for boosting this market at the present. Indians, Chinese, Japanese, British, you name it. It is more of a humanitarian issue than a race issue.

          Agreed.

          Likewise, there’s a lot of female trafficking/mail order brides throughout Asia.

          South Korea, for example, imports a lot of mail order brides from Vietnam and other Southeast Asian countries.

  14. amspirnational

    Chuck is not a racist or racialist. He’s a bigot. Elsewise, yes, to be any kind of racialist implies more socialism than has any libertarian worthy of the name libertarian.

    • Yes, he is a bigot. You are correct.

      • Xera

        I’m so confused by this blog post, I thought that you were yourself a racist not in the bad sense but in the way that you understood how different races behave and contribute to society and their group dynamics/their actual history and the truth behind them. You are saying this guy is a white racist but you are accusing him of being a racist white guy when all pan-aryanists (sometimes you) sort of fall along the same lines as him. To ask bluntly why is it bad that he is a white racist? It’s the new thing to be

        • Not really. Racism is animus. I’m not into racism. I’m a liberal, remember? We don’t do the racist thing. Chuck’s a bigot. We liberals don’t do the bigot thing either. I’m opposed to White people being racist, especially towards Blacks. I’m not really into expressing racism towards any particular group on this blog, to be completely honest.

          Chuck’s bigotry against Blacks is just really extreme and way over the top. It’s way beyond anything we do here.

    • Exactly. Whether he racist or not is debatable, but he is a bigot nonetheless. Bigoted racists are often confused between racism and race realism – one is prejudice, the other is pragmatism. Because of their low IQ and lack of intellectual depth (=low education), they think both are interchangeable and often use a false consensus effect to justify their own bigotry towards a race, using race realists as their moral crutch.

  15. I always am honest in telling people I use/ally with libertarianism when utile only to weaken, hopefully, the Police State. Joe Cannon has a fetish for transmogrifying it into a Monster by misdefining it …into an International Libertarian Conspiracy.

  16. You are priceless, Xera. All I have to do is post a two paragraph post and boy flies off his handle, with a word salad to make bad joke book. You are a living case of Arab projectionism and insecurity. Please carry on. You must have been Jaipal’s bastard twin. The same ultra-nationalist rage, the same unsourced alternate reality mumbo jumbo and the same tendency to throw words like ‘fag’ as insults. I was tempted to read your entire jumbo essay but I guessed a quick skim would suffice. I am really not interested to hear how it was actually Egyptian scientists who sent the first man to the moon.

    And by the way, don’t project your hatred of blacks on me. Don’t start going around with something Dickensian like “I don’t hate blacks but AI thinks you should be lynched”. I am amivalent about blacks. I find that unethical and ridiculous to hate people for their race. You never said anything bad about blacks? Oh heavens, I absolutely forgot! Racial prejudice is never selective. You insults hurt, Xera. Ouchies! I am pwned. Go, get a nice sleep now.

  17. @ Xera
    And desert boy, don’t project your own racial prejudice on Robert Lindsay or other posters. With the exception of Hacienda, Jaipal and yours truly, most people here are civilised and their discussion on race or racial issues reflects that. Now your intolerant and bigoted verbal diarrhoea against some ethnic/racial groups…congratulate yourself that you’re playing tough guy behind the safety of an electronic screen.

    @ Bay Area Guy
    I haven’t met Pakistanis in Pakistan, mostly educated elites. They are all right – progressive, secular and none of that Wahhabi/Deobandi crap. No idea about British Pakistanis, though. The only Moroccan I knew about was Mohammed Bouyeri. No degree, lots of internet letters to salvage his insecurities and a pseudo-western pretense that disappeared after he realised his race isn’t getting him laid with Dutch chicks (who weren’t as gagging for North Africans as he believed). Hence he goes bonkers and ends up murdering Theo Van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker (Jihad in the West: The Rise of Militant Salafism, Frazer Egerton).

    Highly selective is the key, at least for Europe and if it [ever] comes to that, Asia as well. Immigration shouldn’t be treated as charity. I have seen a lot of Egyptians, Moroccans, Arabs and others there who have no place being in secular and liberal societies. Arabs and North Africans have a particular problem with rapes and radicalism, despite of their pseudo-western views which they wear when they want visas, job or a chance with ‘white chicks’. One just needs to scratch the surface and all their projectionism comes to the surface – the rage, that xenophobia and that desperation to get their dicks wet, at whatever cost.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Arabs and North Africans have a particular problem with rapes and radicalism, despite of their pseudo-western views which they wear when they want visas, job or a chance with ‘white chicks’. One just needs to scratch the surface and all their projectionism comes to the surface – the rage, that xenophobia and that desperation to get their dicks wet, at whatever cost.

      Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      As I said before, they demand jobs, visas, opportunities, welfare benefits, etc, but at the same time refuse to truly assimilate or respect the local population/culture.

      And you’re right. Immigration should not be an act of charity. Immigration is a privilege, not a right, and sending illegal immigrants back to their country of origin is not some horrible “human rights violation.”

      • @ Bay Area Guy
        With illegal immigrants, I am more inclined to consider it on a circumstantial basis. If it is an asylum seeking Saudi atheist or homosexual who faces an imminent threat to life is case of a deportation, I think a case should be made. It goes against ethics of humanity to deport back such a person.

        As a sociology major, I was rather involved studying immigration patterns in Europe, Russia, China and several other countries. I have observed that radicalism comes not from the illegals, but a small section of legal North African and Arab immigrants, the ones who slip in with a facade of westernisation under the cover of Taqiyya (or some similar practice in Sunni Islam).

        Most illegals are often low on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, they don’t care all that much about Islamism unless they are radicalised or pushed into it by the aforementioned Taqiyya practitioners. The average Libyan cab driver in New York is safe, till some Asad Khalil on a tourist/student/immigrant visa decides to pick him as a foot soldier for his jihadi crusade.

  18. *I have met Pakistanis in Pakistan…

    @ Dota
    Exactly. The Marshall Plan, while it helped Europe rebuild its economy, was also conductive in rallying the US markets and expanding the market base of US corporations. At the taxpayer’s cost, of course, like it has always been.

  19. Jaipal

    @Atheist Indian,

    Its funny how Xera who comes from shithole Egypt talks so much about other races.
    Egyptians are nothing. Xera talks about strenght and what not but look at Egypt’s
    history of 2000 plus years of foreign domination. He even admits that he’s a mutt,
    a product of multiple rape by outsiders! He should have some shame!
    But as you pointed out quite correctly, he’s a low-IQ sand-nigger with sand for brains!

    One of their ex-Premiers, Anwar Sadat, observing Egypt’s history sarcastically
    remarked that he was the first genuine Egyptian to come rule Egypt in more than 2000
    years!!

  20. Pepperoncini

    Bay Area Guy

    Re. your post on names and heritage ; you have climbed into my head and extracted my seasoned thoughts. But you didn’t credit me!

  21. Gay State Girl

    It may have something to do with the fact that Asians tend to be more blunt about their fear/hatred of blacks than whites. American born Asians know the drill, but immigrants are less careful and have no problem using direct language to describe their fears, rather than evading it with innuendo associated with blacks like “dangerous neighborhoods,” “welfare queens,” or “hostile youth.”

    • Perhaps immigrants’ attitude has something to do with the fact that most East Asian countries live in mono-racial societies and haven’t developed the cultural maturity to deal with multi-racial societies. I find that true for a lot of rural Koreans, Chinese, Indians, etc. People fear what they don’t understand.

  22. Pepperoncini

    Tulio : ” I’m not so sure about that theory. Notice how bigoted whites kept playing up the foreignness of Barack Obama’s name during the election. That played a huge factor into why many viewed him as “un-American”. If his name was Brad Smith, he’d have been given less flack, at least w/ regards to his Americanness. ”

    Obama is a special case as he is the president but I don’t doubt that Whites predisposed to viewing African Americans negatively will also harbour similar feelings towards recent African immirants BUT the intensity might be less and not linger around as much.

    African immigrants simply not being in the exact same group as African Americans is enough to afford them some slack. I think in America’s case , it is a case of X (X = non African American group) not being Y (Y = African Americans) that works in X’s favour. An analogy utilizing politicians would be people voting for anyone not “insert derided incumbent politician” , where people vote against a specific candidate rather than for a specific candidate.

  23. Pepperoncini

    WmarkW said
    ” As a lot of White advocates point out, how many blacks emigrate from white-run to black-run countries to escape all this racist oppression? ”

    Thats true of many ethnic groups, from Chicanos to Arabs to South Asians to umpteen other groups. Arabs claim there is discrimination in the West but they don’t return to the MiddleEast and they have more rights and liberties here than back home. Several decades ago East Asians faced some discrimination in America but they came to the US willingly and didn’t return. Even in the case of White ethnic groups, Italians and Irish faced some discrimination when they arrived in America from the WASP but they choose to stay rather than return.

    It isn’t just a phenomena applicable to the West, South Asians in Arabia routinely face discrimination and abuse (in the case of the working class), but the poor from South Asia still put themselves in massive debt for an opportunity to earn some crumbs in Arabia.

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