Are the People of India Caucasians? Yes

A visitor, apparently a Black man, questions whether Indians are Caucasians .

All the people of India are Caucasian? Really?

Your post is not making any scientific or anthropological sense. For how can anyone say that a transient people occupying an area of landmass, which is by far not genetically isolated, could all fall into one indefinable racial group, i.e. Caucasoid? It is obvious to almost anyone with a discerning eye that second probably only to Africa proper that the demographics that make up India or sub-continental Asia is very genetically diverse.

Genetically speaking, there in no such thing as a ‘unique Caucasoid racial group’, let alone any evidence that the genetic and phenotypical dominant features observable amongst many so-called “white Europeans” predates any similar or almost identical genetic phenotypes observable or expressed in most of Asia or Africa.

And besides skin color, which in the case of the so-called “white European Caucasian” is the absence of melanin, basically making their skin literally translucent, all other features are easily phenotypically observable amongst other people who have an older and more diverse genetic variation that has been relatively constant for tens of thousands of years (predating that of so-called “white European Caucasoids”).

At best, the so-called “Caucasoid” who are actually a minority of nomadic people that developed in Western Asia, should, as mentioned previously, be a sub-group of some other more ancient people, such as Dravidians, Australoids, or of course Africans.

The archeological evidence shows that the anomalous phenotype of the “white Caucasoid” is not the earliest found even in Europe proper, or better yet Western Asia, and is one of the most recent derivations of Homo sapiens.

Indians that have a broad phenotypic appearance and range of skin color that is similar to that of sub-Saharan Africans, do not have to identify with Africans, that’s their choice.

But it is sad that these same Indians who post here, being some the earliest to migrate out of Africa, acquiesce to European folklore to allow white Europeans to thrust upon them their erroneous and nonscientific racial standards.

These standards subgroup and defines Indians via of an obscure geographic region, the Caucasus Mountains, a region chosen to define the mythological origins of all “white people”, who in all actuality, are actually the Indian’s former colonial masters (what a coincidence).

This is a typical comment we receive on the Indian race posts. This person may be a Black person from his tone.

The question of the race of the Indian people can be determined in a few different ways. One way is to look at their genes. If we do, it is clear that most Indians have genes that line up fairly well with the rest of the Caucasian or Caucasoid group.

If we have to put Indians into different major races – Asian, Caucasian, Australoid, or Black, we are forced to put them into Caucasian. And there is no smaller major race that they can be lumped into either – Negritos, Oceanians and Amerindians won’t suffice. They are closer to Caucasoids than they are to any of those other groups, so they must go into that category by default.

It is true that Indians are one of the most divergent Caucasoid groups out there. The others are the Kalash, a group from Pakistani Chitral that is sometimes considered to be a major race of their own and the Berbers, a Caucasoid group that is so divergent that they are barely into the Black quadrant on some charts.

Indians are divergent in the direction of Asians. If we plot them on graphs, Indians will look like Caucasians, but they will be at a far end of the Caucasian spectrum heading over towards the Asian end.

We can also look at skulls. Looking at skulls, we see that the vast majority of Indians have Caucasian looking skulls, that is, their skulls look more Caucasian than anything else. Some South Indians such as Tamils actually have Australoid skulls, but their genes are Caucasoid. What race you put them in depends on the system you use.

There are people in Northeast India who are clearly Asians and not Caucasians. In this part of India, Asian or Caucasian can best be determined phenotypically. Looking at genes and skulls, many Northeast Indians will indeed plot as Asians.

In the northwest of India, one can also see some Asian genes, though the people are mostly Caucasian. Punjabis have ~14% Asian genes in them, probably from the Stans and possibly from the Tibetan region.

Nepal is a very mixed bag racially, with many both Caucasoid and Asian types and a lot of mixes.

The visitor does make an interesting point – he suggests that Dravidians may actually be “ancient Caucasians.” I believe there may be some truth to that. The classical European White man is a pretty new model bipedal vehicle.

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383 responses to “Are the People of India Caucasians? Yes

  1. Actually, the question “Are the People of India Caucasians” is like asking “Are the People of Europe Slavs?” The answer is, “It depends on what ethnicity they are”. Sure, a Caucasoid looking Punjabi could be classified as a Caucasian but could you say the same for a Mongloid looking Naga or Mizo ‘Indian?

    • Most Indians are Caucasians. Yes, there are some Asians in the northeast. I mentioned that in the post. Almost all Indians outside the northeast are actually Caucasoid on genes. I have seen the genetic charts.

      • Mike

        you are correct that north region Indians are caucasian but the word Caucasian does not mean white as the brown Caucasian is not European white at all. the brown Caucasian is the first Caucasian and the word Caucasian never meant ethnicity of racial identity as there is European Caucasian, and north African Caucasian, the word Caucasian meant bonestructure similarities. it wasn’t until the year 1785 a german philosopher by the name of Christopher meiner changed the definition making the word Caucasian mean exclusively white European and excluding north east Indians. that’s why in western countries like Canada and the u.s their government uses the term Caucasian to mean white European in passports ,census statistic reports, online dating etc.

      • mick

        but they are not white European. hope you know Caucasian doesn’t mean white European .

        • Indian Woman

          Exactly Mick. We are far from white european

        • Akira Sadonabe

          The Ancestral North Indians are European alright (not geographically but phylogenetically and phenotypically.) Ty came from Anatolia and the Kartvellian region about 5,000 years ago. They are pretty closely related to Persians linguistically (Farsi and Hindi amounting to Indo-Iranian). Dravidians are related to those Andaman Islanders; as far as I can tell. However those islanders are heavy carriers of Y-haplogroup D, which is what Ainus and Yamato Japanese such as myself carry. My older brother tested D-2a1b3 for the iGENEA test.

          It seems almost Aboriginal (Australian) in nature and origin. That is my theory.

      • False. Most Indians are Austronesian mixed with “Caucasian” (Central Asian) ancestry. Also, “some Asians in the northeast”? Indians are Asian. People from Asia are Asians. I think you mean Mongoloid.

        • No, they are not Austronesian. Austronesians come from Taiwan. Indian skulls for the most part look Caucasian and Indians genes look Caucasian on many gene charts.

        • fauxall

          Nope. You are incorrect.

        • michah

          The first indians were Black. Christopher columbus thought he was in India and named you guys indians. You were black then and you are black now. You dont know who you are.Lol. thats sad. You can’t see whats going on.

        • another Afrocentrist who steals other race's history

          HOL UP
          *smacks lips
          We wuz Indians, we wus native Americans, we wuz Thor, we wus Egypt.
          WE WUS KANGS!
          HOL UP
          We wuz space gods, mayne.

      • pepperroncini

        I’d say virtually no Indians and Pakistanis are Caucasoid. Sure from a pheontypic POV some look Caucasoid but not from a Genotypic POV, because virtually all Indians and Pakistanis have considerable Ancestral South Indian genetic component.

        ASI (Ancestral South Indian) is its own unique cluster that is not particularly related to any other cluster though it is closer to East Asians than to West Asians.

        • varun choudhary

          Where would u put the Indians who have blue eyes, extremely pale white skin, and a good avg. height of 5’9”, 5’10”??? I study in college, and there r many Kashmiris and Himachalis who r like that. I myself am Himachali, not very pale white, but I’m much fairer then the rest of the Indians, and my Mom’s side of the family is very White with green and bluish eyes. My aunt has hazel eyes. As u know dominant genes trump recessive, that means we north Indians should have ASI traits, but we don’t, hence the ANI. Check Wikipedia.

      • jhumi77

        I agree with Varun Choudhury. Even I am choudhury and i am from North East India. I had blue eyes with brown spots ( these brown spots spread and are now my current brown eyes or else i was born blue eyes) when i was born. I had light brown/dark blonde hair with red all over, you can say strawberry brown hair. I still have bright auburn hair. Am i a mongloid or caacasians. Red hair is said to be originated from Ireland or Scottland. I am quiete fair than rest of the indians.

      • Vishwamitra

        Indians are not Caucasians. We are Desis. I for one as a Desi have had numerous bad experience with Caucasians. I never experienced any brotherhood with Caucasians.

        I can say I am Asian alongside the Oriental or colored alongside the Black or Indian alongside the Hispanic but with the Caucasian I just do not see any common ground. Also, mixing with Caucasians is very tricky because they tend to be anti-human. The Europeans are known for racism. The Russians are known for communism. The Jews are known for Zionism. The Arabs are known for Terrorism. All are examples of xenophobia in one way or another.

        It would be nice to have a common ground with caucasians but I see myself as a Desi. I think it is high time Desis be recognized as a separate identity from Asians or Caucasians and allowed to stand on our own.

        • Pyewacket

          What rot. Indians ARE Caucasians, and you are NOT Desi unless you are of Indian DESCENT but not living in India. It is a CULTURAL, not a genetic or “racial”, identity.

          My son is Desi. My ex is Desi. Whether or not YOU are Desi depends entirely on whether or not you are an (Asian) Indian living outside India. In fact I would go one step further and insist that “Desi” really only applies to first and second generation Indian immigrants, seldom progressing into, let alone past, the third generation after leaving India. My son actually does NOT consider himself to be Desi, as he has chosen to retain NONE of his Indian cultural heritage. I am more interested in India and things Indian than he is.

          Caucasians are no more “anti-human” than any other group of humans, which is clearly – VERY clearly – indicated throughout history as this or that group or culture reached ascendancy (and then was replaced). Whoever is in power has historically been the “in” group. And the “in” group varies wildly with location, even now.

          Very recently this has started to change across much of the world. You would have us take giant strides BACKWARDS from that.

          Arabs are NOT known for terrorism. Jews are NOT known for Zionism. Those are tiny minorities within each community, as all communities have violent minorities. All US citizens are not the Unibomber. Not all peoples native to New Guinea are cannibals. Your so-called “examples” show your own extreme xenophobia.

          It must be awful to hate yourself so much that you deny your own genetic heritage. One hopes your next life will be a bit less fraught and that you will be more comfortable within your own skin – whatever shade it may be, and regardless of its genetic makeup.

        • Vishwamitra

          Being a Desi has nothing to do with the generation you are from. If you are South Asian you are a Desi, no matter which generation you are from. Desis are a race unto ourselves. Desis are not Caucasian. The White people or Caucasian people are seperate and distinct from Desis.

          It just boggles my mind on how you can proudly claim you are Caucasian when you are not and then spin the Desi identity as some type of 2nd generation American invention. This is total nonsense. If you take a survey of 150 Whites, which is a valid statistical sample size to establish truth, and ask them if you they think of Desis as Caucasians they would undeniably claim Desis are not Caucasian. I say so because I did that kind of survey.

          So spare yourself the hurt and simply be of the Desi race and not the Caucasian race. Not only that how can you claim Caucasians are not anti-human when every form of atrocity is attributed to them. Genocide, holocaust, slavery, caste system, indenturement, inquistion, ethnic cleansing and so on are just a few of the atrocities perpetuate by Whites. Whites are the most notorious when it comes to atrocities like the holocaust or caste system. Never once in my two years of study of world history did I encounter non-Whites to have committed atrocities as the holocaust and the caste system.

          So get out of you Caucasian fantasies and wake up to reality. Get over it.

  2. Xera

    There is a theory that the Dravidians are actually from the Levantine, and may have been an original form of North African/Middle Eastern types that originated there; I keep hearing this. What is your take on that Robert Lindsay?

      • A-Man

        So arent south indians like the people who came from levant or elam + indigenous negritos (probs resembled andaman islanders). So the south indians are like a 50/50 caucasoid-negrito mix. North indians are like indo aryan+south indians so they are more like 75/25 caucasoid-negrito mix. Do you think my theory is correct and accurate after what i saw in the onge component(australoid),south asian component(west asian) and N.E Euro (Indo-Aryan Central Asians).

    • Dravidian is a language group, not an ethnicity.

      • raulbrammin

        I find you funny….. you are actually some freak who is talking out of his arse just based on what you think you see superficially and are arguing with people who are studying , researching and dealing with genetics and intimate research …. grow up you silly man !

      • lol

        yes!!you are correct…

    • Husayn

      It is true they are a straight haired Canaanite race who original Sumerian and Mediterranean people , they mixed with semitic amorites (imliq) and Akkadians . They were in crete and umbria with the indo aryan Lydians who are the minoans and etruscans . The deity of shiva is dravidian

    • nayaj pun

      Dravidians (the caucasoid type not the autraloid) are from Eithiopia/Somalia. Compare the looks and one will see the similarity. Also the Ethiopians/Yazidis have religious and cultural links with the Tamils. (Murugan)

  3. Xera

    I have seen Egyptians that strangely resemble Indians by a long shoot actually

    • Check out the Mozabites. Very primitive looking Berber people. They look something like Indians. I think they are very ancient Caucasoids.

    • It is more than a physical remsemblance. They even have the same thought process and personality types, in spite of having different sets of gods and different cultures.

      • Egyptians and Indians. From a Sociological perspective, both the people of Misr and Hindu India have river civilisations, agrarian cultures, ethnocentric outlook and a strong religious fervour.

        On a more personal observation, I find that people of the Middle East in general have an outlook and attitude towards life and people that is uncannily similar to Indians. Cultural puritanism, xenophobia, a tendency to pull down their own,a tendecy to look down at other ethnic groups to feel better about themselves, a strong disdain for liberal/secular ideologies, a pre-occupation with BC era ‘glories’ and such. They are pretty much from the same ‘mental box’ seperated over two geographic regions.

        • Dota

          @ AI

          Many of your observations regarding these 2 groups are basically the result of a post colonial hangover. Traditionally Hindus have never been too puritanical or history obsessed, these are merely responses to the humiliation of imperialism. Same for the Arabs.

          If I were making a cross civilization observation, I’d say that the Indian culture of antiquity bore a resemblance to the culture of Iran. Both cultures had an introverted artistic style where art was used as a form of decoration (instead of representation as in the west), and both cultures placed a large premium on telling the truth. I think it was Herodotus who noted that telling the truth was the ultimate virtue in the Achemenid domain. This was also the case with the Aryans of India and the Mahabharat cites several examples of the Pandavas deceiving the Kauravas without technically uttering a lie. Truth was an intrinsic good in both cultures.

        • Xera

          True but something I have noticed is that unlike India, people in the Middle East have a sense of fecal hygiene rights, and the sense that one needs privacy when defecating. Indeed they even have the uncanny notion that people need toilets and paper towels so that their entire population have somewhere to defecate appropriately. Even the ancient Egyptians had toilet papers too, can’t say the same for this sub-continent.

          So did Iran have toilets or did they have people openly defecate on roads and fill their path ways with ditches? Iranians seem pretty keen on hygiene & fecal rights.

        • Iranians seem pretty keen on hygiene & fecal rights.

          I am a very strong supporter of fecal rights.

        • Some people at Stormfront are like that.

        • Dota


          The people who crap out in the open are generally peasants or dalits, the lower castes. They behave like animals because they have always been treated like animals. I’m disgusted by their behavior but my anger is not directed at them; but against the religion that refuses to acknowledge their humanity. I’ve said this before but in Indian culture the individual on the rung below you is not quite as human as you. He may possess human form, but no substance. A simulacrum. This is how caste has shaped Indian culture.

        • Xera

          I was arguing with some Indian lady the other day, about Indian poverty in that region and the lady started raising her tone at me just for asking why that sub-continent is a shithole (not literally saying that word but still). I was given the usual bullshit of blah blah blah Indian its too poor and they don’t have enough money to construct a sewer system. But then I mentioned that some of the richest people in the world were Indians (no doubt leeched by those people) so they should have money to actually build a proper sewage system. I was given more and more bullshit about there being too many people so they can’t actually build anything to sustain that. Bullshit why are they having so many fucking people and how can they have many fucking children survive, then she gave me some crap about the human body able to adapt to one piece of bread and soup so they can survive.

          I was getting pretty annoyed by her tone, then she went on to the usual Indian BS of saying “oh other countries were and have the exact same problems as India in it’s rural parts” BS, where she thought Chinese rural towns were as big shitholes as Indians. It was so much crap for me to take, because I have been to Chinese rural towns and they are light years ahead of garbage Indiot run villages thought they are far from being paradies. China is actually going somewhere, has the technology and are doing a far better job of modernizing it’s country then India, yet this moronic women couldn’t accept that they’re was something wrong with that idiotic society. Then she went on the usual BS of saying no country is rich other then Western countries, and those other countries are facing the exact same problems as India and in the same position.

          Holy shit, I cannot stand Indians or people from that sub-continent, they are the most arrogant, ugly, close-minded, self-denying, pathetic, self-loathing, childish worthless people on this planet. Just nuke and bomb that entire sub-continent already and Indians can start fresh again.

        • @ Dota
          You have a point. A lot of the cultural hangups among Indians does appear to have something to do with the colonial rule. However I am not too sure about the “Hindus weren’t puritans” part. Most of the social taboos and puritanical aspects of both Indian and Middle Eastern cultures were pre-British in origin. As an example, I doubt that the Indian practice of Sati or the Egyptian practice of FGM has anything to do with British imperialism.

          The popular history of both these regions, which focus on the wealthy and nobles gives an impression of wealth and extravagance, but the life of the ordinary people was anything otherwise.

        • @ Xera
          It was ancient Chinese who used toilet papers, not Egyptians. The idea of toilet paper went to the Middle East in the 6th century AD after Arab explorers travelled to China and observed that the Chinese used papers to clean their derrieres, instead of sand as the people of Middle East did.

        • Xera

          Athiest Indian
          I am pretty sure the Egyptians had a paper cleansing method of their own, they didn’t need the Chinese to figure out how to cultivate the papyrus. The whole Chinese thing is just more factual modification by the recent ethno-pseudo China rising scholars, for example China never did come to America but it was the Vikings, but you would be told otherwise in this day and age. Please stop the factual inaccuracies, like you did with your previous post which I didn’t really have the inclination or patient to respond to. The Egyptians used the same material to wrap their mummies, which is one evidence that they didn’t need the help of anyone else.

        • Xera

          That’s completely irrevelent to the fact that modern Egyptians don’t shit out in the open and have a sense of fecal rights and privacy. Nor do they shit in rivers and act like slumdogs.

        • @ Xera
          Irrelevant or not, you DID claim that ancient Egyptians used toilet paper, which they didn’t. Speaking of factual inaccuracies, when was the last time you actually sprouted a fact, Xera. So far all I have seen from you is unsourced and uncredible bullshit that no amount of Egyptian tissue can clean up.

        • “I am pretty sure the Egyptians had a paper cleansing method of their own…”
          Yeah, right. Facts, anyone?

        • Hi Xera, 1% of Egyptians shit in the open right now. That’s mostly all in the rural areas AFAICT. 20 years ago or so, the number was a lot higher. Egypt has made tremendous progress in this area. Three cheers for toilets!

        • Take a shit and wipe your ass with sand? LOL. That sounds so terrible. Oh well, at least they wipe their ass. I don’t think sand would clean it up very well though.

        • @ Robert Lindsay
          Using sand or dried clay is rather common in the Muslim world. It is considered a ‘farx’ (obligatory) if water isn’t available and ‘sunnah’ (optional) if water is available. I agree, it is better than not cleaning at all, which is very common in the Hindu states of India.

        • Pepperoncini

          I agree with your 2nd paragraph.

          Re. the 1st paragraph; rivers were the lifeblood (and to a good many, still is) of ancient civilizations, without which intensive agriculture might not have arose. So being a river civilization isn’t really a peculair similarity shared just between Egypt and India.

          As far as Indians’ racial type goes. I am familiar with the general consensus and Carlton Coon’s assesement of India being predominantly caucasoid. I am Dravidian and disagree. While there are many among us who exhibit features that range from caucasoid looking to sort of maybee caucasoid admixture and some other race that can’t be defined exactly, I tend to picture Caucasoids as in addition to having certain features, also having fair skin generally across the board.

          Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis are supposed to be a mixture of Ancestral South indian and Ancestral North Indian. Neither term applies to a particular linguistic group, and there is no reason to assume that ANI refers to 1 race/ethnic group.

          I think it is too simplistic to just go by Caucasoid,Mongoloid,Australoid and Negroid classification. Andamanese can’t be put into any such category. What would proto Mongoloid ancestors of Amerindians , Siberians and possibly the Sami be considered. What I am getting at is that races today diverged at different times and evolved their look from a proto ancestor that we couldn’t really pin point accurately as Mongoloid or Caucasoid. The Solutreans much bandied about in some far right spheres as White European who were the first in America, can not really be called White as at that epoch we don’t really know what they looked like and how similar they are to modern Euro Whites.

        • Very naive, and unnecessarily caustic comments. If Indians have xenophobia i don’t know how such diversity could ever exist here.
          Disdain for “secular”? again too simplistic given India treats “religion” different from “Dharma”.

          Taking pride in oneself is different than denigrating others.

          If you want to understand this better, i can help.

        • Just wanted to respond to Dota who claims that only ‘lower caste’ indians defecate in the open. NOT TRUE. India has a long standing culture among ALL classes including upper castes. ‘Caste’ has nothing to do with it – it is a cultural thing. Although ubanisation and exposure and economic upliftment has changed things for a minority of Indians, for the majority ie. 70% of all Indians – there is very primitive culture of sanitation and hygiene related to human excretory functions (apart from the universal Indian ‘right hand vs left hand’ taboo) and waste/sewage management and disposal.

          I say this as an Indian who has experienced personally, researched and seen first hand the condition in both urban and rural areas.

        • Rhona

          Xena you are a fucking cunt and I hope you die a miserable painful death. You must be a fucking nigger, the way you talk about Indians. Bloody slut, go fuck your own father you inbred piece of shit.

        • sync

          Xena You racist piece of shit .Indians had a working sewer system when you were shitting in a pot and living in caves. Indus valley civilization?? WE INVENTED the zero , were advanced in surgery and had calculated the distance between the sun and earth while you were living in caves. The Pythagoras theorem ALGEBRA , the size of an atom have you heard of vedic maths?? Were tolerant peaceful unlike the barbaric west thats why syrian christians ,jews , Zoroastrian parsis sought refuge here just cause now you have managed to steal all our wealth and knowledge which you claim as your own doesn’t make you superior.

    • sccott

      Reading some of your comments on Indians, you sure are a crazy racist bitch! FYI Indians are the most well do community in the US.

      • Pandeet

        Actually the Nigerians are ahead of the Indians as far as education. Indians here live fairly well because only the best and the brightest come, just like Nigeria. Very few come here to be trash men. Its becoming pretty obvious that race is not the determining factor as far as success. At one point even the African Americans were rapidly progressing, but to be fair the racist society crushed their every move in the right direction, so they festered in the ghettos until they became cancerous.. Latinos are finding some of the same obstacles, but they are a hearty and united bunch of people. Successful African American accomplishments are brought down by their own highly problematic poor communities where Indians run the stores and shops now.

        • Passerby

          Pandeet you’re a real dumbass traitor. This is how black people enrich india.

          Skip to 2:30 to see how intelligent your nigerian friends are

        • Cov1

          Cancerous? Where the hell are you from? There are upper and lower class through out the world, this is nothing new…. So watch your mouth!

        • TRASH

          PANDEET Immigration/Caste System interacted to bring Baniya caste and South Indian dork techies to the U.S. in addition to a few Parsi entertainers like Mercury or the Star Trek chick (Persis Bambhatta).

          Canada and Britain have the lower castes with expected results: gangs, drugs, pimping, prostitution, mafia, stealing, fraud, domestic abuse.

      • pepperroncini

        Only because the Indian American community is highly selected. Almost all the Indians who emmigrated to the US came on student visas and got jobs here. Others who came were from relatively affluent classes.

    • Johan

      Many indians has settle down in North Africa , including Egypt and middle east. Latest groups most be the Roma/Gypsys. (Gypsy means from Egypt) They came out of Rajastan,

    • Jai

      You are such an asshole you know nothing about india yet you are writing bullshit about our country. Before 18th century only place where diamonds are found is may be from any country but ancestors were leading nomadic life when our civilization perished

    • fauxall

      Mediterranean gene.

    • Husayn

      Dravidians were also in North Africa , they did originate from there , the migration came from the East

  4. Xera

    But why would these Dravidians go all the way to India? Did th y use sail boats or did this migration happen because it was when the continents were connected closely?

    • They probably just walked from the Levant to India.

      • Xera

        Yeah that’s like a really long way, you would have to cross parts of Russia, Europe, Iran, various other lands just to get there by foot, which is really a long way. Why go through that huge distance and trouble to get to this worthless [place. This must have happened long time ago when the temperature and climates were different.

        • Just walk across Mesopotamia, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan and there you are.

        • Xera

          Robert what do you think about Indian immigration to the U.S? Honestly I’m terrified these third worlder’s might turn this country into a open sewer cesspool and implement their retarded moronic “values” and “views” so that one would never be able to actually fix an open sewer. Another problem is that they are not assimilating or intermarrying with other groups, thus they are carrying this rigid darwinistic shit system here, but also forming a separate entity that pretty much is unacceptable and goes against the cohesiveness/fabric of the country. You think the existence of the Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians will dissolve and neutralize any form of Indian existence and cultural takeover in the Western world?

        • sukhraj sandhu

          why do you hate Indians and india so much??? a quick answer… were talking about nuking India?? you cant do that bitch!!! stop bitching shut your ugly mouth. India was the most ancient civilization and it will remain on the world map forever. nothings gonna destroy us so keep dreaming

        • Pradeep

          Worthless Place, Very nice explanations, congratulations, Europeans tried the sea route just to get trade for the spices and other valuables, dont forget that. literacy and wealth were common and abundant in indian subcontinent. Before speaking of anything just learn few things. Thankyou

      • What I am familiar with and believe to be the case (not just based on genetics but also displayed via language, history, culture and religious-mythological beliefs and records) is that the original inhabitants of India were ASI race (ancestral south Indian or Dravidian) and that they were INDEGENOUS. There people are NOT the same race as aboriginals or any other – they are a unique racial group. (Whether they can be considered Caucasian or not i’m not sure).

        The Dravidian people originally founded the first civillisation in the Indian subcontinent ie. Indus Valley, and over time genetically intermixed with the lighter skinned Caucasians who were from more northern regions. This resulted in the entire Indian subcontinent being so intermixed that the people of the region became a different type of Caucasian – just as the Semitic peoples, or Aryan peoples, or European people are all different type of Caucasian. (Indian people should be called Indo-Caucasian or Dravida-Caucasian)

        The ASI Dravidians are completely different from Australian aboriginals or the inhabitants of Andaman and Nicobar – who not only dont share language or physical features with Dravidians (Andamanese are either an isolated tribe of migrated from regions in South Pacific or Southern Indian Ocean in ancient times) they also lack the complexity and sophistication of Dravidian culture.

        The ASI Dravidians have an extraordinarily rich, ancient, complex, sophisticated and highly advanced culture (be it music, literature, art and architecture, science, mathematics, philosophy etc.) – far MORE so than the lighter skinned Caucasians/Aryans culture of Northern India. It is a fact that South India is far more culturally rich than other Northern parts of the Indian subcontinent (with some exceptions which arose due to Mughal rule influence).

        It is in fact the ASI culture which seems to be the foundation and root and very identity of the entire subcontinent’s culture – from the food (spices used) to the clothes (flowing draping type) the architecture (sculptural representation of the human form) etc. These are different from northern Caucasian culture (more bland food, more tailored clothing, little or no sculptural representation of the human form in architecture incl temple architecture).

        Over time the two intermixed and became one culture BUT the South of India is a very clearly Dravidian culture even today and different from rest of Indian subcontinent.

        • Pyewacket

          My gosh what an outpouring of ignorance and bigotry. From so many posters.

          Here’s the deal – Humans are not actually “indigenous” ANYWHERE outside Africa. We are ALL descended from a common genetic ancestry originating in Africa.

          “Dravidians” are still Caucasians, despite sporting a handful of phenotypically Austroloid traits. And until about 5,000 to 10,000 years ago, Caucasians were still “browns”. It’s only in the past 10,000 years or so that SOME of them lost their melanin.

          As for dietary differences between the north of India and the south – different things grow in different regions. People are most likely to eat what grows near them. The north of India is generally colder and much drier than points south. That’s like saying people living in Canada are a separate race from US Southerners because US Southerners eat way more chitlins, black eyed peas, and red velvet cake than Canadians do.

          I am reminded of a short short Science Fiction story that has always been a favorite of mine. A spaceship is approaching earth, broadcasting a joyous message, which was basically:

          “We are your brothers. We had to desert you on this benighted planet thousands of years ago because of a plague. But we are coming back now, because we have found a cure for the disease that turned you white!”

        • Chi

          Hey Pyewacket,
          Could you guide me to a reference for this statement:
          “And until about 5,000 to 10,000 years ago, Caucasians were still “browns”. It’s only in the past 10,000 years or so that SOME of them lost their melanin.”

  5. Xera

    This makes the Aryan invasion even more interesting, because what you have is one differently Caucasoid group enslaving another different colored Caucasoid group where two of the groups think they are entirely unrelated to each other. Along with the British and those Muslims rulers formerly enslaving a group that they think are below them and are not related to them genetically when they actually are and were. What’s more interesting is that these same Berber ancient Caucasoid Dravidian types ran the Barbary pirate white slave trade for half a century and raided all the way to Scandinivia, Imperial vessels and fought off the Vikings when their relatives in another continent were being colonized by the very white people these people were enslaving and raiding.

    • Actually the British were well aware that the Indians are Caucasians.

    • “…those Muslims rulers formerly enslaving a group that they think are below them and are not related to them genetically when they actually are and were.”
      The Muslims rulers enslaving Indian people is actually a Hindutva myth, to foster a hatred among Hindus for Indian Muslims. Most of the Muslim invaders either left the country after a pillage and plunder session or stayed back and integrated with the people. The concept of races and genetics as we understand today didn’t exist at those times.

      • Again, judgmental piece of comment from you!!
        Learn about Sikhs and their origin and you might want to re-visit your contention.
        Maharana Pratap, Prithviraj Chouhan, Hemu, Rana Sanga, Shivaji etc etc

        • India_LandofRapes

          Most of them may be considered as great warriors as per indian standards , but they are actually cowards who ran away in womens clothes like shivaji did,,,

    • Guest

      there is no Aryan invasion pls show some proof which Europe never had.aryan has nothing to do with white European whatsoever and the solutrean is a whitemans theory.just like the Aryan invasion theory led by max Mueller which got debunked longtime ago by non biast scholars.also Asia did not share any linguistics towards Europe. there is none.there is no such thing as proto indo European.the rig veda is only found in northern india and mentions nothing of Europe.

      • Pyewacket

        The proof is in the genetics. Quite easily proven. And while there have been many invasions of India (and everywhere else on Earth where humans have managed to live), the mixing of peoples and cultures occurs most often more slowly and over long periods of time as people move around, engage in commerce, look for more fertile lands or move away from natural disasters (such as climate change) and do what people always do – get them some strange. There is no such thing as racial purity, unless you accept that we are all primarily HUMANS belonging to the human race, in which case we are all 100% racially pure humans.

        “The Rig Veda is only found in Northern India and mentions nothing of Europe”.

        Firstly it isn’t “found only in Northern India” because its a major component of the Hindu religion (though having little actual relation to modern Hinduism as it is practiced now) and is found throughout India and other nearby nations that were strongly influenced by or even a part of various Indian dynasties/governments throughout the history of the subcontinent.

        And secondly – being a product of poets native to the region – it would naturally NOT concern itself with areas OUTSIDE that region. Silliness.

    • Pandeet

      Only in the scientific world do White Americans view Indians as “White”, minus Silicone Valley. 99% of White Americans see Indians as being an entirely different race, and in fact an enemy. They do not appear to be White, but seem to go out of their way to ally themselves with Whites. Indians were once basically slaves in the United States and many African Americans carry their DNA. Being Indentured in Colonial America was WORSE than slavery. The master took better care of those whom they actually had invested money in versus those ordered by decree. They were like rented mules and were often beat half to death. Most of the Coolies who came to the U.S. were men and White women would have nothing to do with them. They were basically “Negroes” with straight hair and treated as such. Just look at the “Weaver Settlement” of India for example.

    • sync

      Bitch the aryan invasion was a MYTH aryan is not A RACE. It means enlightened or noble another word for sir in sanskrit what if we started a race called sirs?? go spread your nazi propaganda somewere else.

      • Blonde

        Where’s your evidence? Horses, sanskrit, soma, ect. were not native to India. Aryan invasion is universally accepted outside of delusional Indian nationalist circles. That you have to resort to name calling is telling.

  6. Xera

    You sure about that? They only thought a sizable portion of them were

  7. AlanJ

    Many Brahmin reformers from ages have tried to reform Indian system, some have succeeded, and most have failed. All blame is put on Brahmins, but Brahmins have tried failed to reform the society. Some reformers that are popular as Basweshvara, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Rajaram Mohan Roy. People associate Hinduism with Sati, Child Burning etc. All of these social evils are eradicated. These practices were practiced at times when we were beseiged Barbarians. Great Civilizations from Middle-east has been pillaged and ruined startiing with Alexander, and the Mongols.

    Most crime is done by lower castes, they are more rigid castists, sometimes a love affair between a Brahmin and a lower caste person can lead to the Brahmin being lynched. Most corrupt politcians are from lower castes.

    How do you reform a lazy, drunkard[ who drinks illicit liquor] does not shower and beats his family everyday.

    People quote Brahmins as poor. Our way of life expected is to be poor, not work for money, dedicate life to spiritual, religious and intellectual pursuits,. But modernity has changed many things.

    Brahmin by definition is one is seeking or realized the impersonal God [GodHead] known as PARAB-BRAHMAN. Realizing God is not for the faint -hearted..

    Many times one can physically distinguish a Brahmin from the general population. Most Kashmir Muslims were once Shavite Brahmins, foir that matter, Pakistanis, and for that matter Afghans were Buddists.

    • Pyewacket

      Bull bull bull bull bull bull bull. Have I mentioned bull?

      Most crimes are committed by POOR people who are desperate or have been cut off from opportunities to advance and kept “in their place”.

      Look to the caste system as the culprit, not some fault of the people you are repressing.

  8. Damien

    Its not what u are that matters, its what u are considered that matters. If an Indian was to claim to be caucasian, everyone would laugh. Lets be honest, they hate brown people including Indians, Iranians..etc.. Any Indian that thinks he is of european descent…LOL @ U! The Aryans were brown as well, they were Persian! Any Persian that considers himself European….LOL @ U! Brown people are just brown people, we are one race!

  9. rndratck

    If “Caucasians” are people of West Eurasian descent, the answer to the question is that the people of India are Caucasian *in part*. Autosomal DNA analysis indicates that South Asian ancestry is composed in part from SNPs that are most frequent in West Asia (e.g., Turkey, the Caucasus) but also in part from SNPs that are most frequent within South Asia itself (referred to as “Ancestral South Indian”). Ethnic groups located the further south have greater ANI ancestry, and those further north, especially in Pakistan and Afghanistan, have greater West Asian ancestry. So basically, they’re West Asian/South Asian hybrids.


  10. Cody B

    @ Xera. I am Trinidadian (West Indian btw)I have read all your post and it is based off uneducated and racist answers. You are an ass hole. There is no difference at all from the dark skin Indian and the blonde hair blue eye northern Europeans. The first Europeans to come to Europe looked just like an Indian person. Even today there are many Indians who look “white” they are mostly in Northern India and Pakistan, now what’s your opinion on white blue, green eye Indian, that in fact look just like you. I suggest you stay off this post and put your money where your dirty mouth is, you are just talk, and you are not going to do anything to an Indian person or else you will be arrested and ass ##$% in jail for the rest of your misery life on this planet. You are a poor soul, an internet thug. I bet in real life you will never do what you say. So I suggest you find something to do with your spear time instead of posting mean comments and degrading the Caucasian race. Some people on here need to do there dam research instead of posting false information and go back to school too. Yes, I have interacted with whites and they told me I am one of their own, treat me as such and look out for me as well. I live in Georgia the deep south where there is open racism, and they are not racism towards me at all, neighbors, friends and associates alike. I have also racial communicated with whites as well, and it was awesome! You probably don’t know what that is, if anyone knows what I am talking about reply back to me, cause I would like to know more about it and how to perform it as well, cause I can’t “activate it”!


      that’s not true I am north east indian and we are NOT white at all but we are Caucasian and Caucasian doesn’t mean white as the west changed its definition meaning racial identity when that’s not what it meant at all it means bonestructure and bvrown Caucasians were the first Caucasians and were not European nor white at all.the Aryan invasion theory is bs as max Mueller died in 1899 making that theory up when Aryan culture has been around in 75 bc e.there was no outside invasion and the rig veda Sanskrit mentions nothing of a outside intruder at that fact Christianity and Judaism ,ilsamic religion is recent compared to Hinduism.aryan culture is hindu culture and is the opposite of Christianity.

    • Guest

      we hate trinidadians you coconuts are a mutt breed and are not indian

    • Danny Mcgauley

      Love it lol everyone coming up with mad reasons as to corcasian and brown origin migrating, wars, climate evrn regional movement… sorry I have to chuckle because while they may be valid theories thats all they are because facts is facts and on a 100 percent factual we now know that all genes including the colour gene work in the following way. Your dna phsyically chooses to sequence itself and your colour and features are genetically programed by its own dna database to create a person/colour shape intelegence before you are even a fully formed singlar cell basically yr whole being is desided by yr dna and then the cell builds itself into what colour sex intellenge it so chooses all life is build this way so to sum up everything about you is the sole choice of the dna gene and what it desides . Nothing can alter the path your dna chooses so FACT WHATEVER COLOUR U ARE THE DNA IN UR BODY WANTED TO BE THAT COLOUR

      • Pyewacket

        FACT – DNA doesn’t “want” anything.

        Also you can have genes that are never expressed via the mechanisms of epigenesis and gene switching. Probably other mechanisms as well.

        Since we all started out African and “black”, the whole argument is ridiculous. It’s like arguing that people with red hair are a separate race. All human forms are normal variations. The amount of melanin in one’s skin isn’t indicative of anything except where your ancestors settled 5,000 years ago. And maybe not then either.

        I’ve always been appalled at the way Indians discriminate based on skin color even WITHIN India. Seriously. Who cares. But that just shows that people are people all over the world. Sadly its one of our worst characteristics.

  11. Shubhrojyoti Mukherjee

    Just look at some of the faces of Indian celebrities like Hrithik Roshan, Nafisa Ali, Adhitya Pancholi, Mandakini, Aishwarya Rai, Celina Jaitley, Katrina Kaif, Pooja Bhatt, Fardeen Khan, priyanshu chatterjee, John Abraham, tulip joshi, swastika mukherjee.etc.

  12. ehsan

    what about the bangladeshi people? It is located on the north-eastern border of India, and most of the people look caucasian to me, their skin color varies from pale to yellow to tan, and only the tribal people looks different such as asians or blacks. What do you think robert?

      • I think most of mixture of Australoid Negroid and Caucasian race..

        they not pure ones, the composition of Mitochondrial DNA varies along the caste lines

        But no body is 100% pure like in Scandinavia or North Europe

        The Caucasian element in most indians is less than 5%,most are Australoids and Negroid race..

        Some north east indians from Assam and Sikkim have mongoloid and Caucasian admixture

        Most indians are Hybrid race,with very less Caucasian R1a Gene

        • According to the traditional physical anthropological point of view, the Indo-Aryan people of northern India were considered to be members of the Caucasoid race, albeit on its outermost peripheries; on the other hand, the peoples of southern India were seen as belonging to both an indigenous and biologically distinct Indo-Dravidian race, also variously known by anthropologists as Veddoid, Australoid, or Palaeo-Indid. Although there existed visible Australoid influence in terms of dark pigmentation and hair coloration amongst northern Indians due to a subcontinental gradient of miscegenation, it was argued that in terms of cranio-facial structure and limb proportions, they were metrically Caucasoid and of Indo-European origin (based on the available linguistic/philological evidence). In the same manner, it was also argued by a number of late nineteenth and twentieth century anthropologists, that the peoples of the Horn of Africa, such as Somalis and Ethiopians, were substantially Caucasoid in terms of racial stock; for example, the great American anthropologist Carleton S. Coon argued that North eastern Africans were only partially of Mediterranean origin, with some individuals being of full Caucasoid race. However, despite Negroid influence in terms of skin pigmentation and hair texture, these North eastern African tribes also possessed cranio-facial features and body limb proportions similar to those of other Indo-European and Semitic peoples, meaning that many of these people could be classified as members of the Mediterranean sub-race. In The Races of Europe (1939), Coon writes, in a section entitled “The Mediterranean Race in East Africa”:

          It may be well to state that all of the peoples of this “Hamitic” area, whether Hamitic or Semitic in speech, represent a blend in varying proportions between Mediterraneans of several varieties, especially of the tall, Atlanto-Mediterranean group, and negroes. Other elements include, of course, the Veddoid brought in solution from southern Arabia; there is also a possibility of traces of dilute pygmy and Bushman blood in southwestern Ethiopia and Somaliland, although neither of these has been proved. Needless to say, the Gallas and Amharas have mixed with each other greatly in the regions in which they have been in contact; both the Amharas and Gallas have absorbed the earlier Cushitic agricultural peoples in great numbers. The most important single influence has been the infiltration of negroes, through the slave trade, into the entire Ethiopian plateau region. So extensive has this infiltration been that it is unlikely that a single genetic line in the entire Horn of Africa is completely free from negroid admixture; but individuals may be found among the Amharas, Gallas, and Somalis who show no visible signs of negro blood. These individuals are extremely rare. On the whole the negroid element in the Hamitic cannot be much more than one-fourth of the whole, but it has penetrated every ethnic group and every social level. Just when this penetration had become complete we do not know, but one suspects that it had already occurred by the sixth century A.D., when the Ethiopians ruled the Yemen. The Gallas, despite their tradition of descent from white men, were already partly negroid at the time of their arrival in Ethiopia.

          Coon also argued that northern Indians were also partially of Mediterranean Caucasoid race, with strong Veddoid or Australoid affinities. In 1958, Coon wrote:

          Our area, from Morocco to Afghanistan, is the homeland and cradle of the Mediterranean race. Mediterraneans are found also in Spain, Portugal, most of Italy, Greece and the Mediterranean islands, and in all these places, as in the Middle East, they form the major genetic element in the local populations. In a dark-skinned and finer-boned form they are also found as the major population element in Pakistan and northern India.

          As to the specific racial affiliation of South Asian populations, Coon remained uncertain, as this 1962 passage from his writings demonstrates:

          [T]he racial history of southern Asia has not yet been thoroughly worked out, and it is too early to postulate what these relationships may be… shall leave the problems of Indian physical anthropology in the competent hands of Guha and of Bowles.

          Nevertheless, the latest evidence of modern genetic research indicates that the peoples of both north and south India are of mixed Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Australoid racial ancestry, consisting of an autochthonous sub-Gangetic base which has been gradually combined, through a series of population expansions and the historical migrations of various immigrants, with west Eurasian and East Asian elements.

          In the The history and geography of human genes (1994), Cavalli-Sforza et. al. argued that the peoples of the Indian subcontinent were genetically Caucasian, with some Australoid-Negrito admixture; he determined that they were about three times closer to western Europeans than to east Asians. This was directly challenged by Kivisild et. al. (2000), who argued that although the admixture studies and genetic distance trees based on classical genetic markers of Cavalli-Sforza et. al. had previously ascertained the underlying Caucasoid genetic structure of the peoples of the Indian sub-continent, the complete absence of mtDNA macrohaplogroup M amongst Europeans, a series of lineages which comprise over 60% of Indian mtDNA (Thangaraj et. al., 2006), contradict the notion that Indians should be classified as members of the Caucasoid race. However, it must be noted that Indians do share mtDNA U and R1a1 in common with Western European populations; another lineage, Y-DNA haplogroup L, is shared by Indians with other Central Asian populations, but is found in very low frequencies amongst European Mediterranean populations. According to Kivisild et. al. (An Indian Ancestry: a Key for Understanding Human Diversity in Europe and Beyond, 2000):

          The absence of haplogroup M in Europeans, compared to its equally high frequency among Indians,eastern Asians and in some Central Asian populations is inconsistent with the ‘general Caucasoidness’ of Indians. Any relationship between Indians and ‘Caucasoids’ must therefore be based on qualitative and quantitative data on genetic markers common to Europeans and Indians.

          Bamshad et. al. (2002), in Human Population Genetic Structure and Inference of Group Membership, indicated that after genotyping at least 100 Alu polymorphisms in southern Indian caste populations, the vast majority of Indians were found to be more related to East Asians and only a small minority to Europeans in terms of underlying genetic structure. The authors of the study write:

          To test whether samples from India could be distinguished in an analysis of samples from all three continents, we added samples from Africa and reanalyzed the data. This time, the best estimate of K was 3, and the assignment to the correct population was >98% for samples from sub-Saharan Africa, East Asia, and Europe. The samples from southern India were assigned predominantly to the cluster of East Asians (84%), though some of them (16%) were assigned to the cluster containing Europeans.

          In a 2003 study by Watkins et. al., Genetic Variation Among World Populations: Inferences From 100 Alu Insertion Polymorphisms, 100 Alu polymorphisms from 30 populations located in Africa, East Asia, Europe, and India were examined. It was determined by the authors of the study that Indians were a genetically intermediate population located between Europeans and East Asians:

          A two-dimensional principal components plot of the 31 populations (Fig. 4A) demonstrates clustering of the African, E. Asian, and European populations, with the Indian caste populations located between the E. Asian and European populations (as in the network in Fig. 3).

          Cordaux et. al. (2004), in a paper entitled Independent Origins of Indian Caste and Tribal Paternal Lineages, examined both Y-chromosomal variation in both Indian castes and tribal populations. They found that upper caste Indians are similar genetically to west Eurasians, but that lower caste Indians have more in common with (central and east) Asians:

          The evidence shows that Y chromosome admixture was limited in north Indian caste groups and more pronounced in south caste groups. A possible explanation for nous this geographic discrepancy is that the caste system comprised four classes in north India, whereas a fifth class was introduced in south India to integrate local people (those formerly called “untouchables”) in the caste system. This view finds support in that in south India, lower caste groups are more similar to Asians, whereas higher caste groups are more similar to west Eurasians.

          This has also been confirmed by the recent Watkins et. al. (2008) study , Genetic variation in South Indian castes: evidence from Y-chromosome, mitochondrial, and autosomal polymorphisms, which examined Y-chromosomal SNPs, mtDNA, and autosomal STRs in Tamil caste populations. In terms of autosomal STRs, higher Tamil castes showed greater genetic affinity to Europeans than lower Tamil castes. The study also affirmed that in terms of Y-DNA, the southern Indians were more similar to Europeans than East Asians, whereas in terms of mtDNA, they were more similar to East Asians than Europeans:

          For 32 lineage-defining Y-chromosome SNPs, Tamil castes show higher affinity to Europeans than to eastern Asians, and genetic distance estimates to the Europeans are ordered by caste rank. For 32 lineage-defining mitochondrial SNPs and hypervariable sequence (HVS) 1, Tamil castes have higher affinity to eastern Asians than to Europeans. For 45 autosomal STRs, upper and middle rank castes show higher affinity to Europeans than do lower rank castes from either Tamil Nadu or Andhra Pradesh.

          In a study conducted by Yang et. al. (Examination of ancestry and ethnic affiliation using highly informative diallelic DNA markers, 2005), it was argued on the basis of a few hundred ancestry informative markers (AIMS) that had been analyzed using a Bayesian clustering algorithm (STRUCTURE), that South Asians (people from the Indian sub-continent) are a racially admixed population who are much closer genetically to Europeans than Asians:

          At k = 4, the South Asian subjects appear to be an admixed population with the major contribution from cluster 1 (predominant in European Americans) and a minor contribution from cluster 4 (predominant in East Asians).

          Another 2005 study, Large-scale SNP analysis reveals clustered and continuous patterns of human genetic variation, conducted by Shriver et. al., examined over 11, 000 single nucleotide polymorphisms in 12 different human populations. They determined that there had been continuous gene flow between both South Asians and Altaians, a Siberian Mongoloid people, however upper caste Indians were determined as being much closer genetically to Spaniards than Indians of lower caste:

          In addition to the Burunge, the South Asian Indians and the Altaians have relatively short population-specific branches, consistent with gene flow between these groups and other populations. … Notable are the near separation of the Indian sample into lower and upper caste, with the upper caste individuals positioned closer to the Spanish.

          In a 2006 study conducted by Rosenberg et. al., Low Levels of Genetic Divergence across Geographically and Linguistically Diverse Populations from India, over 1,200 genome-wide polymorphisms amongst Indian immigrants living in the USA. In this study, Indians were much closer to Europeans than East Asians:

          Comparing allele frequencies in the groups from India to those in other geographic regions, allele frequency correlation coefficients are highest for the populations previously studied in Central/South Asia, followed by those of Europe and the Middle East and of East Asia. This similarity with Europe and East Asia has been seen in smaller-scale autosomal studies that have incorporated India; however, these studies, along with one study of more markers but a smaller number of populations, have disagreed somewhat about whether the similarity of India is greater with East Asian populations, greater with European populations , or about equal between these alternatives. We found that allele frequencies in India showed detectably greater similarity to populations in Europe and the Middle East than to those in East Asia.

          However, Rosenberg et. al. cautioned that their research maybe methodologically flawed and characterized by certain structural limitations:

          Although our sample is likely to be reasonably representative of first-generation individuals of Indian descent currently located in the United States, such individuals likely do not provide a random sample of the source populations in India, as urban and relatively mobile populations and populations of higher caste and socioeconomic status are overrepresented among immigrants. Thus, if variables such as caste and socioeconomic status do play important roles in producing genetic structure, more genetic differentiation would certainly be expected for a sample of the same linguistic groups in India compared to what we have seen in the United States. Additionally, if higher caste is correlated with a European or western Asian component of ancestry, a sample in the United States may be biased towards finding a greater similarity of populations from India to those of the Europe/Middle East rather than to those of East Asia.

          Kashyap et. al. (2006), in a paper entitled Genetic structure of Indian populations based on fifteen autosomal microsatellite loci, analyzed the microsatellite markers from 54 diverse Indian populations and noted that whereas most regions of India were homogeneous in terms of allele frequencies, being characterized by extensive racial admixture, with each population exhibiting membership in multiple clusters, considerable genetic substructuring and differentiation was detected amongst the inhabitants of north eastern and southern India. The authors of the study write:

          The distribution of the most frequent allele was uniform across populations, revealing an underlying genetic similarity. Patterns of allele distribution suggestive of ethnic or geographic propinquity were discernible only in a few of the populations and was not applicable to the entire dataset while a number of the populations exhibited distinct identities evident from the occurrence of unique alleles in them. Genetic substructuring was detected among populations originating from northeastern and southern India reflective of their migrational histories and genetic isolation respectively.

          The authors also affirm that traditionally, the population of India can be divided into four major ethnicities or races:

          Anthropologically, the populations are grouped into four major ethnic categories, which include the Australoid, Indo-Caucasoid, Indo-Mongoloid and Negrito populations and linguistically broadly classified as Indo-European, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic and Sino-Tibetan speakers. The complex structure of the Indian population is attributed to incessant, historical waves of migrations into India, the earliest, by the Austric speakers around 70,000 years ago, followed by the Dravidian speakers from middle-east Asia and the Sino-Tibetan speakers from China and southeast Asia around 8000 to 10,000 years ago. The last major migration is believed to have occurred around 4000 years ago by several waves of Indo-European speakers.

          That India can be divided into a number of races/ethnicities has also been confirmed by Bhasin (2006), in the study Genetics of Castes and Tribes of India: Indian Population Milieu:

          India has been peopled by human groups carrying a diversity of genes and cultural traits. We have almost all the primary ethnic strains Proto-Australoid, Mediterranean, Mongoloid, Negrito and a number of composite strains. It is homeland of over 4000 Mendelian populations, of which 3700 endogamous groups are structured in the Hindu caste system as ‘jatis’.

          In short, the older view that north Indians are mainly Caucasoid whereas southern Indians are mainly Australoid is incorrect. Indians, both from the north and the south, seem to be a racially admixed population with each individual genotype exhibiting membership in multiple gene clusters, albeit in varying degrees in terms of Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Australoid admixture ratios. South Asian populations consist of an indigenous Australoid base combined with both Caucasoid and Mongoloid racial elements; Indo-Caucasoid (Indo-Aryan speakers and Coon’s hybrid Mediterranean strain) peoples tend to be concentrated in the east and west of India, Indo-Mongoloid (Tibeto-Burman speakers) seem to be concentrated in the north eastern region of the country, and Proto-Australoid/Indo-Dravidian peoples (Austro-Asiatic and Dravidian language speakers) are mostly found in the south, with peoples of full Australoid or “Negrito” origin located on the archipelagos (e.g. the Great Andamanese and Jarawa) surrounding the southern tip of the subcontinent.

          To repeat, most of the major Indian populations are so racially admixed that they exhibit membership in multiple gene clusters and are therefore homogeneous genetically on a subcontinental level. Moreover, higher castes tend to be more related genetically to Europeans than lower castes, who are more related to Central and East Asians.

      • Rawr

        You sound like everything is caucasian. Oh brother Lol. Next you’re gonna tell me that every race originated from caucasians. This sounds like theory more than fact.

    • Guest

      they aint white at all what the hell you talking about. nobody from i9ndia are white from any caste.

  13. IamYourDaddy

    You are wrong Gandu.
    I am a Bengali Brahmin. The North European component in my DNA is 15%.
    Cry you motherfucker. Your lie is Nailed
    Y DNA R1a1a
    Suck it

  14. Indian

    Xera, you’re a racist Idiot. You claim to know a lot, when you don’t even know that the Aryan invasion theory is bullshit. It never happened. About poverty in India you are forgetting about a corrupt government; corruption is rampant through out the sub continent of India. Bring up China as an example but remember that they don’t have a corrupt government. Stop bashing/attacking other countries and the Indian lady had every right to raise her tone, you’re a condescending asshole. I’m gujurati I do agree India is backward and has rural areas but that gives you no right to hate on India, the caste system maybe bad but we are working to get over it. You really need to go out and get another hobby.

    • Guest

      there is nothing wrong with the caste system and why do westerners care anyways? its not like east Indians with or without a caste will make a difference anyhow because they wont marry nor interace anyone who is European white or western white.india is conservative and doesn’t like anyone whos race like whites have infidelity no monogamy and alimony golddigging.whites have the highest divorce rates

    • Newton Rajkumar

      I agree with Indian. His comments are unbiased and polite. In present day scenario, the South Indian and Western Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra, Kerala, Maharashtra, and Gujarat are populated by people whose Ancestral south Indian genes are the Major contributor to their respective genetic profile. They may be speaking Dravidian or Indo European language/Dialect. Once the Baloch component of their ancestral admixture (Dravidian Or Indo European) is resolved, we may see the light of the day. However at this point of time pointers are more in favour of categorizing the Indus Civilization as proto Dravidian. India is a country of Diverse genetic patterns of expression. Phenotype (External features like color of the skin, eyes, cranial morphology are all inherited by their genes. Genome studies may accurately pin point one’s ancestral history back to any number of generations and show the admixture results of ancient migrations and interactions in evolution. But the linguistic affiliation is never passed on from one generation to another. Genetically speaking. Hence, it is absurd to impose your language/culture or tradition onto some one else and that will not stand the test of time. So are the impolite outbursts of fanatical nature, like bullshit , bitch in a scientific forum. This is a frontier thats evolving. Your beliefs may or may not be proved right later. So lets be polite in our exchanges.

  15. Paolo Scarpelli

    Indians are not Caucasian but actively encourage this false notion due to their inherent inferiority complexes vis-a-vis race and color. They Should infact be categorized as Dravidian which should be at par with African/Negroid races. While they have adopted some Indo-European traits (language/culture) etc there phenotypic features clearly show them to be more similar to sub-Saharan Africa. Sorry but only stating the obvious.

    • Dravidians are not Negroids or Africans. If anything, they are Australoids. On skull and most gene charts, Indians plot Caucasoid.

      • Bobby Budnick

        Australoid’s are just a type of early African with similar DNA to what would later be considered Caucasians.

        Doesn’t it seem obvious that the people of India are a mixture of Semitic Caucasians (Arabs) from the north and Australoids from the south of India (they’ve even found Boomerangs in India). Australoids have similar DNA to but are not Caucasian. I believe they became proto-Caucasians but they themselves aren’t.

        In layman’s terms: Indian’s are mostly mulattoes composed of Arabs and blacks(and some east Asian). It’s not that complicated. They’re not European at all and should accept that. They’re not even a pure race in the least. They seem to be a mixture. Are Dominicans now considered Caucasian?

        Joking aside, to sum up why black people disagree with you, you imply that Austroloids are genetically Caucasian people but they’re not. Austroloids are just really, really ancient Africans that don’t share perfect DNA with modern Sub Saharan blacks but look exactly like them. They just black, dawg.

        A white, or even a Caucasian India, is a post-colonial fantasy. The purely Caucasian Indians are very few and even then those can rarely(if ever) pass for any kind of European. It seems that the “best” an Indian can ever hope for in terms of looking white, is looking Arab, which isn’t very white at all.

        • Passerby

          semitic? you are a moron

        • Bobby Budnick

          @Passerby, So you disagree that the few light-skinned Indians in the north are more closely related to Arabs than actual whites?
          If so, you just might be mentally challenged.

        • Bobby Budnick


          Allow me to repeat myself:

          “A white, or even a Caucasian India, is a post-colonial fantasy. The purely Caucasian Indians are very few and even then those can rarely(if ever) pass for any kind of European. It seems that the “best” an Indian can ever hope for in terms of looking white, is looking Arab, which isn’t very white at all.”

      • A-Man

        Yeah i agree robert i think australoids are just black africans who migrated from africa long ago but remained the same due to same climate and also were unmixed but due to convergence they genetically mutated

  16. harsh facts

    Indians have always been white wannabes, as the idiotic caste system places fair skinned complexion at the very top of this sub-human social construct, which the moronic Indians follow religiously.

    Hence Indians love to place soo much emphasis on themselves being racially Caucasian. In other words, Indians find self-worth in reassuring themselves that they are from the same race as their white enslavers.

    Does it really matter if Indians are Caucasian or not?
    Because Indians will always be a race of lazy, useless, cowardly, immature, stupid, shameless, good for nothing, beggar-like losers with an enslaved mind.

    Plus on average, the Indians are an ugly people whether they are Caucasian or not.

    Harsh facts.

    • Reality Check

      Harsh Facts needs to get a reality check. LMFAO

    • Guest

      ya right that’s why whites came in 1498 and 1849 pestering east Indians right and stealing their Kohinoor diamonds. and also misappropriating their culture by marketing yoga we all know who the real wannabes are as they also tried stealing indias swastika and Aryan culture and claiming it for themselves when it belongs only to north Indians now get a life .white people are not Aryans nor was the swastika yours or anything to do with Brahmin hindus.quit reflecting your own flaws towards other races which has no relevancy to

      • sukhraj sandhu

        good reply

      • snowisfun

        Since I’m Indian, here are my thoughts. I don’t know. There could be some intermixing. But what is past is past. Yes, Whites did things for their own benefit but once a dispute is over, it is over. There is no need for the Portuguese, British and other Europeans to apologize for colonizing India because 1947 Independence (India), 1954 Pondicherry and 1961 Goa makes all disputes a moot point. Let the British honor Queen Victoria and let the Portuguese honor St. Francis Xavier and Vasco da Gama. They are not disputes anymore.

        If you wonder why I’m not bashing White Christians though I’m not Christian, it’s because it’s wrong for Hindus to send their kids to Christian schools and then turn around and say how evil the Christians are. I went to a British school when I was 11 to 14 years old (almost 2.5 years) from 1981 to 1984 when I lived in Madrid Spain-King’s College. It’s wrong to ask White Christians for help such as education, jobs and then to turn around and say how bad they are.

        Yes, the British, Portuguese did what they wanted to for their own benefit. But that is history and not happening now. Rather than complain about how life was during colonialism, it’s best to enjoy the independence 1 has. Now I can understand the conflicts between Indian Hindus and Muslims because that has happened for hundreds of years and still happening, though I don’t go to extreme. I can understand the India-China dispute, but it is useless to complain about something once a dispute is over. It is wrong to bash Whites yet have no problem sending Hindu kids to Christian schools to be educated by the very Christian whites you bash because of disputes which ended so long ago. Those are my thoughts. If there was intermixing between an Indian and Whites, then that would explain genes.

        • Thank you my Hindu friend!

        • Bobby Budnick

          I agree with you’re overall sentiment.
          But history must be properly chronicled and put into perspective. When the British abolished African slavery they legalized slavery in India. I believe their historians(good PR folks) have re-branded this as debt slavery to soften it’s impact, but I’ve done some research into this time period, which lasted until 1920(!) long after African slavery had been made illegal, and from what I’ve read mortality rates were very high, which means that they were working these Indians to death, many didn’t even survive to ever see freedom.
          A lot of their descendants today live in former British colonies like Guyana, the poorest country in South America. Whenever the subject of slavery comes up and I bring this up people get shocked and are completely unaware that this even happened. So yes, I agree with your forgive and forget attitude but you also have to tell truthful accounts of history and have some respect for your ancestors and what they went through.

        • sync

          You IDIOT . They destroyed our gurukuls and replaced it with their racist teaching of the bloody aryan invasion. A LIE. they took our wealth and caused famines in bengal. They destroyed and butchered our history for their benefit they took a beautiful symbol like the swastika and used it to propagate their own agendas stole our knowledge and used it to make nuclear bombs and now they make movies like slumdog millionaire.

  17. Guest

    xera what race are you because if you want to know something if you aint indian you aint indigenous to north America by the way dalits and adavasi are from india and are aboriginals so if anything you need to go back to your country wherever the hell that is. go and type india aboriginal pics and see what you get on google and quit making a fool of yourself because before the word race was introduced there was always tribes and people in india are 500 tribes in that country alone so go study that and leave aboriginal land you don’t belong here if anything .

  18. Guest

    the true Aryan culture is found in north india .Europe doesn’t have any proof nor any artifacts as india does. by the way the word ‘arya varta’ comes from india. just so you people know.

  19. Tajinder Sharma

    Indians are in no way shape or form Caucasian. They are Indian and that’s just it. When comparing them to Caucasians you have to look at the totality of all physical attributes. Indians have excessive hair growth all over their bodies especially their back, legs and forearms.The texture of the hair is also different from that of Caucasians. When Indians sweat they also secrete a pungent bodily odour that is even hard to mask with cologne.

    An Indian person is closer to an African American because the skin tone of Indians also contains melanin and is not found in the skins of Caucasian. So to say Indians are closer to Caucasian without looking at the all of their physical attributes is just a little shy of wishful thinking. Indians are and will always be considered ‘Indian’ in North American society(not even bollywod can change that opinion). Bollywood also does not do anything to bolster your position of wanting to ‘fit in’ with Caucasians and/or be classified as such. Everyone is a minority where Caucasian are concerned – even INDIANS. And BTW I am not Black or White, I’m Indian myself born and raised just outside Bombay.

    • 1. Indian skulls cluster with the Caucasian group.

      2. On a number of charts, Indian genes fall into the Caucasian group.

      That’s enough for me.

      • Tajinder Sharma

        Indian genes do not fall into any charts. They are Indian and their genes are particular to their race. Every ethnic group will have people with features of resemblance of other races, it does not mean it be it should be interpreted as them being ‘close to’ or ‘more of’ another race. Indians do not fall into the Caucasian category because they do not have blonde hair and blue eyes. Our skin contains melanin while Caucasians don’t and therefore in terms of skin colour we are more closer to African Americans or Africans. Even the geographical location of India alone disproves your theory of Indans falling into the Caucasian category. India is located closer to AFRICA than it is Europe or even Australia for that matter which would men by location that, Chinese should more considered hence the name ‘Cauc-asian’. Anyway not gonna sit here and debate a very stupid and non sensical issue such as Indians falling into the ‘Caucasian’ category, any idiot can see that based on numerous physical differences and primarily the existence of melanin found in Indian skin ( maybe not as much as black people) that Indians are closer to Africans or African Amreicans Do your research and present with some facts before making idiotic non factual comments such as ….. ” Indian skulls cluster with the Caucasian group.
        2. On a number of charts, Indian genes fall into the Caucasian group.”

        You got to do better than that when spreading meaningless biased propaganda online for the world to see.

        But someone once told me never to argue with fools because ordinary people cannot tell the difference from afar. So have a nice day Mr Lindsay.

      • snowisfun

        Robert Lindsay, while I am from a Hindu family, I am now a secular person. Other than me being a vegetarian (I have no problem with food hunting as long as the animal hunted is humanely and swiftly killed and there is no poaching, etc.), I do not follow that much what happens in India-have not been there since 2002 and as an American, care more for what happens here.

        But since you discuss Indians being Caucasian, as you know, there are Indians with White skin and Indians with dark skin. Some intermixing I’m guessing happened so long ago-perhaps during Ice Age? We know of Solutreans in the Americas which has been found in DNA. Incidentally, I have family who lives in Great Britain who are 1/2 English and 1/2 Indian so there would be Caucasian genes. I have not seen Indians with brown hair unless there was intermixing. I think intermixing would be the best answer I can give, but I don’t know.

        • Dave Mowers

          It is in your mythology that Aryas invaded India. In fact the name of your country, which is said to be based in Indra, is Sumerian and would mean either, “The Lord God” or “Godhead” extrapolated into modern English. The ancient Egyptians claimed to come from there, the Land of Punt, which meant, “Land of Gods.”

          And isn’t it interesting that India is indeed a “Land of Gods” who believe in a “Godhead?”

          There is another story that relates an invasion from the north that was countermanded by invaders from the sea written on the Iron Pillar at Delhi which corresponds to a battle between Sargon and Phoenicians, most likely Jews who saved your land from utter destruction.

          Sargon, Naram-Sin and Menes all claim the title of, “King of the Four Quarters” which must mean Egypt, Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and India which is exactly the empire Alexander recreated showing that Greeks were aware of this former “empire.”

        • Sukhraj sandhu

          My nephew had blonde hair when he was a kid… Yes golden blonde hair… But when he grew up he turned brunette… No one from our family has ever gone out of India… All our family has fair complexion and sharp features with males having an average height of 6 feet and above…

      • nayaj pun

        You reckon high nosed people are superior to low nosed people. After the ape is low nosed……an also look at the achievements and accomplishments of the High Nosed Races ( basically Caucasian)

    • Pyewacket

      OMG, you think Indians “smell”? LOL!

      I have never met an Indian who “smelled”. They “smell” just like everybody else when they sweat. Maybe there is some component of the diet that can make a difference for a short while – like eating garlic. But that’s true all around the world. Its not a “genetic” thing.

      You’re Caucasian, dude. Deal.

      Married to a guy from Vijayawada who never “smelled” any different from anyone else.

      Also as to the “excessive body hair” – this does not seem to be generally true. It seems to occur in India about the same as it occurs all over the world (except China et al for at least some groups). EG it seems to occur with the same frequency it does for ALL Caucasians, INCLUDING Indians.

      My husband had “excessive body hair” (which frankly no one outside of India would have considered “excessive” anyway, at least not among most Caucasians – lots of people of European descent are WAY hairier). It was a source of embarrassment to him and his entire family. Certainly NOT par for the course in India.

  20. What a load of bull. Indians are not Caucasian. Some of them may look similar – just the way some Indians may look Oriental – but they’re not the same. Indians come in different colors – people from the north are light brown-skinned with straight hair and people from the south are dark-skinned with curly hair. And another thing, not all Caucasians are white skinned.

    I’m sure the next statement will be, “Caucasians built the Taj Mahal.”

    • aryan bharat

      sorry bro….indian are aryan ,not Caucasian/ ===>

      • Sphinx

        None of the H1B code coolies from India that I have seen look remotely like that. What are they?

        • Lugur

          european lunguro ko ….sabse pahle espana/italia/norway/others Field of europe me …….naak ragad ke dekh lena chaiye…..tum kis race ke ho ………….white lunguro……………pure aryan olny live india(north-india/pakistan/afghanistan/iranian) hai ………..tumko arya kahna aryo kaa apmaan hai ……chutiyo saalo ……real aryans north indian /iranian/afghani…..not u lugurs of euo+netives americans

        • Newton Rajkumar

          There is no pure Dravidian or Aryan in India as on date . India is a hybrid population of ASI and ANI genes. Built on Dravidian stratum. Sumerian,Harappan ancient Dravidian legacy should not be taken for granted. Those of them who are speaking an Indo Aryan language now were in reality speaking a Dravidian language before the Language shift. This is a serious matter that should not be a Addressed emotionally. Everyone in India today have ASI genes that’s the maximum contributor to their individual genome map. European Y hallo group rape victims should not overlord natives.

        • coolise

          u!!know coolise …..dont belong to”””” ARYA”” i have blue eyes with very white feature………if u see me ……….i can used coolies word for u!! …….u need a clean india in 2060 ! can u come this time.

        • johndoe

          human!!!!!!! peace-full better than ur!!!hip-hop culture

      • Pyewacket

        Aryan is not a racial group. You are Caucasian. Get over it. LOL!

  21. Sphinx

    It is intellectually dishonest to claim that indians belong to the caucasian race when it is a known fact that practically every single one of them is mixed race. The ASI or black aboriginal component in indians ranges from ~25% in the northwest (a very small percentage of indians) to over 80% in central, east and south India. The great majority of indians are more black aboriginal than swarthy west asian caucasoid.

    • Historia Nerd

      Though they are quite mixed, the majority plot close to Caucasian’s in terms of features and skull size. However, if one were to look closely, we can see the Northerns are more likely to be fully Caucasian, whereas the North East and South and South East are more diverse.

    • Lugur

      mostly european have been mixed with non-aryan people( afro-netives and many race with fair skin color) in europe ………it truth of european ……..looks in espana/italia/norway/others Field of europe ..and now all europe………mostly indian feature looks like nordic with brown /dark skins than europeans and meny european like half afro or non-nordic race …it”truth of all humanity “………..who are aryan .its depend on your behavior and feature …..mostly indian have peaceful with nordic feature (its not for dravidian/australoid …)……

    • Pyewacket

      We are ALL mixed race. The only racially pure group is the Human Race.

      Given that, as far as phenotypically related groups of human beings go, Indians are in fact Caucasians.

      Bigotry is what is intellectually dishonest.

  22. I do not know why Brown Indian like me wants to associate with Caucasian race. I do not think this is right and an absolutely nonsense. You will see in Wikipedia; there is a distinction race in several categories which is in fact totally untrue. Wikipedia is edit by some random people who have no actually proof or knowledge and they just edit whatever they wish. I have PHD in anthropology in human race and I have many years of experience. The fact is all human race came from one origin which is from south of Africa. For now, 99 % of Indian are Australoid race and have has also most of them has a little mixed blood of mongoloid since it was ruled my muguls for 2 centuries and more. I would say more in North Indians who are Australoids; are mixed with Mongoloid then south Indians. Indians are unique by itself and does not belong to Caucasian race at all but all are Australoid or Australoid with who has Mongoloid mixed blood – We call them Punjabis and Haryanas and UP, Himachal people. There are few 1% Indian who features looks like Hungarian Gypsies; those are likely their ancestries got raped or had sex with British people when they ruled India for 200 years. That’s how they got those features. But my real point is Indian are Australoid and also Australoid who has mixed blood with Mongoloid and the most important point is that all human race came from one origin which is Africa later they spread in different places. I am Brown Indian and I approve this message.

    • Sameer

      Nope Indians are a mix if Australoids and Caucasians with some Mongoloid thrown in . There are many Caucasian looking people in India, however nearly all Caucasians including North Indians and upper caste Indians are mixed upto some extent.

      • nonsense everywhere

        lie only!!!!!!!!!north indians no half obama/jinping of china if they have mixed with australoid or mongolian ??

    • Bilal S

      @Ravi Sharma

      You’re a fake indian imposter from africa haha!.

      Indians are mostly caucasian with a mix of the indigenous “australoid” if that group even exists. But caucasoids are the most recently admixture into the indian race. Classifying any indian as australoid is like classifying every human as african because some african negro theorists like to say every human came out of africa, whether white,brown, or black.

      At the end of the day, Indians are MAJORITY caucasoid. Caucasoid doesnt mean blue eyes blonde hair. Caucasoid is a major class and Indians skull types, the genes found in samples, ARE ALL CAUCASIAN. Lookup “genetics of south asia”. You can see we share many DNA with Arab countries who are classified as caucasoid and even some southern arabians look very indian/pakistani.

  23. John

    Indians are more closely related to Africans than Europeans. Look at their features. Especially those East Africans. Same as many Africans migrated throughout Europe. Regardless we are human & the same species. I think its completely moronic how Whites who believe they are the true caucasians have created this system. The original Caucasians of the Caucasus Mountains were NOT white. They were not a race either they were an ethnic group mixed with Africans & Asians. Europeans migrated to those areas. Thats already been proven just by history alone in addition to the scientific data. You can’t use bone structure cause its already been proven there are only minor differences between the bones of an African & a European. We are all homo sapien sapien. If you wanna emphasize on race then at least make claims that have actually been proven.

    • MY3000

      “Type B blood, high in Asia with a maximum in northern India, is low in Europe and in Africa.” This also goes to show that the Aryans of India did not migrate from either Europe or Africa.

      • pepperroncini

        I don’t know the veracity of your claim on blood type B but there is no evidence the Aryans are native, to the contrary all the evidence points to them being intruders.
        It is well accepted and undisputed in Academia that Aryans are intruders and not native.

        • indra

          they lived in central asia was part of ” jambu island” like “aryavarta” of india.
          i do !!no!! that what is intruders ?

        • djs

          nope ! aryans===north indians= not whites
          although indians are mixed but still ani varies upto 70% in north indians which goes on decreasing as we move down to the south. the same ani feature is not very remarkable among the europeans or iranians, suggesting that aryans were the original inhabitants of india

      • pepperroncini

        ANI does not suggest that Aryans are native. ANI is a genetic component. It is not an Aryan identifier. ANI is just a component that has affinities to West Asia. Indo-Aryan would just 1 of the groups making up ANI but not the only group as other ANI groups precede the Aryans.

        North Indian aren’t racially Aryan. They have some genetic ancestry from Aryans but they are mostly non Aryan. The only reason people keep thinking they are Aryan is because they speak an Indo-Aryan tongue. It’s like saying the Turks of Turkey are from Mongolia because they speak a language that came from Mongolia.

  24. Phantasy star

    This Caucasian taxonomy is archaic and absurd. It tries to group people that dissimilar. The sub-continent people are unique.

  25. coolise

    u know white lugur mixture of “netive ( they wrere close to netive american)+ indian” ………..nordic feature /blue eyes came from hindu aryans from indian indus valley ……….but some stupid european callin “we are westrn aryan”……….its realliy joke only upper cast hindu/iranians/afghani/north west pakistani are real aryan with fully pure aryans blood.

    european white lugur think they are western aryan “pure” ……….lugurs see in your europe who have been mixed with ugly white netive+ aryan from india!!!!!!!!and in india 70% people have been mixed with autsraloid.

    • johndoe

      i dont know about south indian/east indian …but north-west indian ( rajasthani,punjabi,kashmiri ) are fair “white” brown with fully nordic features , color eyes are common in rajasthani/kashmiris
      some dravidian( ASI) lower caste (i mean worker/adivasi/mama)came from south/east india after 1989.(its should be stopped )..they were not hindu.hindu word used only for “ANI” ( BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT A DEFINITION OF WHITE I THINK IF U HAVE EUROPEAN / if u have fully white nation or u have not Mystery of both-race ) If u see in europeans .. half euro people have dark eyes dark hair ..some maybe brown …! why north indian likes fully nordic than many europeans
      “south-indian/east indian very different race i think they mixed”

      • Indians are not nordic

        There is nothing Nordic about Indians.

        • johndoe

          your correct.. That had to say!!! ….caucasian and aryan both different race .so how …indian are caucasian??
          caucasians mean “nordic” or may be “anymore” !but …aryan mean only arya !!and different race to the caucasian.
          (aryan people were different to the caucasian).

          :most race in world .
          1st. Aryan(indo-aryans) kazakhstan,pakistan ,afghanistan ,tajikistan ,(hindustan)northwestern india ,(aryasthan)iran ,etc)

          2nd. caucasian.
          3rd. mongols.
          4rth. nigger .

        • Dave Mowers

          Except etymology and linguistics suggest an affinity with Scandinavian languages and German-Celtic.

          Let us not mention the similarity between mythological narratives, numerology, astronomy and astrology.

          Then leave out the actual written words of the people also and you might get where you’ve stated.

  26. aki

    i saw your picture even an indian is an albino they have much wider noses which is an african feature and their structure is different the only thing is their hair . So people say i look african american because i have nappy hair and a wide nose but my brother has straight hair and cant pass off as african.
    so indians might have some caucasian features such as the eyebrows but they also have negroid features.

    • A-Man

      Yeah those albinos dont look european its the straight hair thats throwing ppl off. I photoshopped an african albino with straight hair and he looked kind of like the indian albinos just with wider skull and rounder face. I think the australoid mix definetly shows in indian albinos(especially dravidian) like look at their noses and lips. I even put nappy hair on some dravidian albinos and they resembled african albinos.

  27. mez

    Ethnic groups in india: Indo-Aryan 72%, Dravidian 25%, Mongoloid 2%, others.

  28. real

    yes !!! i get answers…..south indian have been caucasian by features etc. no doubt !!they are caucasian . same to all caucasian family
    northwestern indian,iranian,some afghan, some kazakhstanis have,some tajikistanis etc. have Aryans feature . they are indo-aryan .but not caucasian.

    • Newton Rajkumar

      Its sad that no one wants to acknolwledge that most of the entire landmass was speaking a Dravidian language at the Sumerian and Harappan era. Subsequent to Aryan migrations/ invasion there was a lot of language shift and phenotypical change of features depending upon the hoarders who mixed mostly with ru
      ling elite of those times The result as evident today is an array of phenotypes with features resembling the invaders and the original Dravidian in another end of the spectrum. Still in spite of vast differences in the external features of today’s Indians, the Dravidian ASI genes are the single most contributing genes in all of them. Caucasian, mangloid, negritoid or not basically all Indians are Dravidians and others have inherited their external features from later invaders’s blood. They came not with their women. So nothing to gloat about colour and features of skull and phenotype.

      • real

        you have dravidian feature/ASI blood call “all dravidian ”
        There was no use of the “caste “

        • Newton Rajkumar

          Every Indian has ASI genes as the major contributor to his genetic stratum. If one does not possess ASI Dravidian base genes , he/she is not Indian in the first place.

  29. Mamaliga

    Caucasoid race consists of Europeans, Middle Easterns, Northern Africans and South Asians (Afghans/Pakistanis/North Indians). We are the best race. Cheers.

    • Newton Rajkumar

      Caucasian is no more a scientifically tenable racial entity. Where will you place the Dravidians then? Dravidians are an unique entity as on today. Most of them are brown , half of them speak a Dravidian language. All of what you term as North Indian , Who speak an Indo Europeon language today were speaking a Proto Dravidian Language Originally and subsequently due to language shift they are speaking what they are speaking today. However thanks to the science of Genetics, now we know that even UP Brahmins have more than 40 percent ASI (Ancestral South Indian Dravidian ) genes. Features of external appearance were modified due to successive admixture of maurauding tribes that their features are no more Dravidian from outside. But inside, they are genetically Dravidians first and Caucasian last.

      • Most Dravidians are Caucasians on skulls. A few like Tamils are not. On some gene charts, South Indians look Caucasian, on others they look Australoid. Dravidians appear to be an Australoid-Caucasoid mix.

        • A-Man

          Yeah i looked at pca mapping average south indians are like 30 percent onge 5 percent east asian and 65 percent caucasoid/west asian. So i would put them as mixed, but if i had to choose of all the four races id have to lump them into caucasoid, but like really divergent caucasoids heading off in the direction to oceanians and east asians kind of like berbers who plot into african in many charts as south indians plot australoid in many charts. I dont know if thats a good comparision.

      • real

        Mr. Newton Rajkumar jee …..It wanted to speak ..UP Brahmins/bihari brahmin are not” pure” (our history says ). so i call east indian and south indian both are related by genetic /feature.
        if you look northwestern area like( haryana ,rajasthan,punjab, ). they are much more like caucasian/eastern european or aryan than other part of north india/east india.
        modern south indian have admixture of ANI+ASI .( you can says aryan-dravidian ) so “ASI” NO ..i say no way caucasian.they (ASI)are not caucasian.
        “i think …” south indian = north african/muslims iranian(not for parsian)/Arab country .(they are mixed blood )

        if you have don’t trust me .You can find ?.

    • no way

      Should be Northern Africans

    • TRASH

      “Best race” I’m sure every Finn in Helsinki wishes they could be a Pakistani in Bradford.

      I love how Indians proclaim “we are the best” when they will do anything to leave India.

  30. Newton Rajkumar

    This will need a more detailed analysis of linguistics, genetics, archeology, anthropomorphology, and a more open scientific temperament to unravel the history of mankind. It’s not pure poetry. Poetry and oral traditions which have followed the era of Sumerian and IVC civilisations are masking the Dravidian Basic stratum of all Indians. Please coment on this.

  31. real

    you can get easy by “feature, curly hair,nose scale etc.” ….north africa,south indian,arabs country ,most iranian,pakisthani(because they have muslims),horn of africa etc.

    The difference is just. south indian have dark ,little curly hair , arab or muslim iranian have fair skin but they have little curly hair ,wide nose . proof by arab attack on parsian so they have been mixed blood.

    so don’t call all caucasian. it big mistake !!

  32. Newton Rajkumar

    Dear real sir/madame,
    In fact the admixture of ASI and ANI genes found in South Indians should have happened towards the end of Indus Valley Civilization before the Vedic Era. They have migrated south and Deep South and thereafter not subjected to much of genetic mixing. In contrast the Gangetic North and North West people were subjected to mixing with Scythians, Sakas, Alexander’s Army and those on the eastern corridor
    by Indo Tibetan tribes and entire North and Northwest by Tsenghis khan’s army
    and suffered further mixing. Those of them who were speaking a Proto Dravidian Language shifted to Indo European. However even in the Gangetic plains the highest genetic contributor is ASI even in Brahmins. Thanks to the strict endogamy practised. There is nothing to resent that those invaders came without women and admixed with women from higher social order as a prize from war and defaced the social fabric, divided the society into castes and erased the past Dravidian legacies. The result is for all to see. A deeply divided society with no equality and a set of values full of superstitions and ignorance. The guys are saying they are pure Indians!

    • Sudhakar

      I am bit confused by this ANI/ASI, which part of it was Australoid? SO who were the original Dravidians. Were they the resultant of the hybrid of the people who came up from the levant and mixed with those who were supposedly carrying ASI/ANI. Which component they have in higher? ASI or ANI?. If i am right, is the above post of yours is to justify what we know as India today was entirely comprised of proto Dravidian/Australoid, and Dravidian language Tamil was spoken across what we know as Northindia today. Also the majority of faith known as Hinduism minus the rituals should be native?
      Also I am bit confused when you say ” those invaders came without women and admixed with women from higher social order as a prize from war ” is it to imply whether the native stock already a caste/class system.

      • Newton Rajkumar

        Dear Sudhahar Sir,
        There are guys who eat rice. They have a tradition of several millennia.
        There are guys who eat Croissants in western Europe.
        There are guys who eat nomadic Rotis.
        You judge yourself.

      • A-Man

        Ok so ASI equals dravidians which is like 60-70% negrito + 30-40 percent west asian/med which kinda looks australoid like or abo like. ANI is like the indo aryan hordes. The average south indian is like 55-75 percent asi. Central indians range from 40-60 percent asi. North indians are like 15-40% ASI. Also tribals in deep south india and sri lanka can reach ASI values of 85-90 percent ASI as they display negrito-med/west asian hyrid features.

    • Newton Rajkumar

      I wish every one reads this article in full. This has summed up the latest findings different sciences relating to history and prehistory.
      The Vedic Aryan tribes had admixed with IVC people and the ANI or Baloch genes are in fact a mixture of both Dravidian and Vedic Aryan genes. That’s the reason why even Tamils have around 30 percent Baloch genes. But the undisputed further admixture with maurauding Greeks,Scythian, Tartar ,Mohammedans , and in the North east with South Asian genes has contributed to the phenotype differences between the North Western and other Indo European speaking Northern Indians. Indo European Language by itself has its origin far away from the Indian Subcontinent. What is native to India is Dravidian by all parameters.

  33. REAL

    it is clear :1st.indo-aryan .(caucasian)
    Northern Indians are yes,(to be casider for indo-european or caucasian)

    2nd :2nd dravidian etc.(australoid+other)
    southern Indians clearly dravid.

    3rd: aryo-dravidian etc.: clearly both races.
    most eastern part of india,central part of india and some western part of india .
    these area have admixture of both race clearly .

    note: some people who looking dravidian in “ANI” .they are clearly form dravidians.

  34. swastik

    YES! most people of India are Caucasian. 90% are caucasian(proof by facial feature/DNA etc).

    1st. North indian are aryan race from central asia.

    2nd. south indian are dravidian (origin indian) from Indus Valley Civilization.
    (Most balochistan people of pakistan have close “blood group” with dravidian ,so dravidian were not from australoid race)

    So..i think most ANI or ASI both are caucasian ,but just are difference
    North indian(ANI) related from aryan race from central asia ( vedic).
    South indian(ASI) related from “origin indian” Indus Valley Civilization .

    “Other people are australoid blood( found in south india and central india /east india) /mongols( found north-east india and himalaya)”. <<<<<modern north indian) and (2) Indus Valley Civilization (origin indian /dravidian>modern south indian).

  35. Dave Mowers

    “The classical European White man is a pretty new model bipedal vehicle.”

    According to modern convention although there is no evidence that, “white man,” was ever anything but white as all Caucasoids contain Neanderthal genes which also happen to contain the skin pigment gene expressed in modern white people. They are also the source for the gene for red hair, again, only found in white people and textiles, and civilization, and clothing, and spears, and metal weapons, and jewelry, and mummification, and clearly came from the Caucasus, and bred with at least three other hominid species all containing additional genes not found in all races and dominated Europe from a period of antiquity pre-dating all other known racial invasions, erected stone monuments, built tree ring forts, practiced agriculture, husbandry, were nomadic in most cases…

    So yes, it must be patently obvious that white man was once black man and not simply Neanderthal-Denisovan admixture which became more homo sapien. I fail to see the logic when there is no evidence except a generalized conclusion based on political correctness.

  36. SHI

    This is an interesting topic. Here’s my own analysis as a brown skinned Indian who has travelled to 16 countries.

    First thing one has to remember is that India and other South Asian countries are multi-racial – you can’t bracket Indians alongside whites, blacks, Arabs or any other race. As a unique phenotype, It’s important to study Indians on a case by case basis.
    At least 300 hundred million Indians are genetically closer to white Europeans . That’s NOT a small number but as a percentage of India’s population, that’s still considerably smaller. This holds true especially among the higher castes but also among the lower castes, and even Dalits. I’ve seen high class Brahmins who were extremely dark-skinned and not be considered Caucasian by any stretch. However if you look close enough, there are interesting facial features e.g. straight nose, thin lips, chiselled jawlines, hair texture, large brow ridges, naturally horizontal eyebrow shape that are similar to Europeans. A common DNA is further evident if you examine bone marrow donors – mostly upper caste Indians cluster alongside Europeans and vice versa. Indian/European mixed kids are extremely unique phenotype and look more white than Indian but they do have certain Indian features. Plenty of examples – Rhona Mitra, Lisa Ray, Norah Jones, Indira Varma – I believe each one is a SUPERHOTTIE.
    Hundreds of millions of Indians have similar genetics to Arabs – these are the pure breed Dravidians. This especially holds true for Western and Southern India but also large swathes of North India.

    One should remember that Caucasian-looking Indians are mixing with Dravidian Indians all the time. There’s no GENETIC PURITY or stuff like that.

    Hundreds of millions of Indians can be genetically lined up with Aftricans and Pacific Islanders. This holds true mostly for people in South India but also in Northern parts of the country.
    Interestingly many poor class Indians raised on a good diet and having good education and upbringing tend to look more Caucasian than their parents. An example would be Juhi Parmar – she’s an actress that comes from a lower caste but looks way too Caucasian to be ignored. Even Aishwarya Rai’s parents look uncharacteristically Indian and she isn’t from a high caste. But she became MISS WORLD and has been considered one of the most attractive Indian women of all times.

    • Hi I agree with most of this except for the part about Indians lining up with Africans. No humans line up genetically with Africans, not even one. On some charts, Berbers are close to Africans, but then, Berbers live in Africa! The ones in question do not really line up with Pacific Islanders either. Instead they line up with Australoids – Melanesians, Papuans, Aborgines, Andaman Islanders, Negritos, Senoi, etc.

      • mei

        Robert Lindsay . someone doing cheating with you . don’t trust on ! .
        india is diverse country.
        north ,east , south , west etc.
        this time only north-indian running as clean caucasian with you. but other are searching good food & good education to be caucasian.

      • L.

        ” No humans line up genetically with Africans”

        Not even Nigerians?!

    • pepperroncini

      “At least 300 hundred million Indians are genetically closer to white Europeans ”
      Closer than whom?

      “A common DNA is further evident if you examine bone marrow donors – mostly upper caste Indians cluster alongside Europeans and vice versa.”

      Indians form their own distinct genetic grouping. MiddleEastern peoples are closer to Europeans than Indians/Pakistanis are to Europeans.

      “Hundreds of millions of Indians can be genetically lined up with Aftricans and Pacific Islanders. This holds true mostly for people in South India but also in Northern parts of the country.”

      Do you have a link claiming there is genetic similarity between Indians, South or North, with Africans and Pacific Islanders?

      “Hundreds of millions of Indians have similar genetics to Arabs – these are the pure breed Dravidians. This especially holds true for Western and Southern India but also large swathes of North India.”

      Have to disagree here. There is no genetic similarity between Indians and Arabs. Unless you are referring to the West Asian affinity in Ancestral North Indian but that is not specific to Arabs and is from ancient pre Arab migrations.

      ASI is closer to East Asians than ANI is to East Asian. The lower castes and Southern Indians have more ASI than NorthWest Indians and Pakistanis do.

      Indians and Pakistanis aren’t Caucasians because they all have significant ASI ancestry. Phenotypically many may look Caucasoid but genotypically they aren’t.

      Indians/Pakistanis are just their own unique cluster, formed by ancient admixture.

    • mei

      Very thrown on this Point ………please provid good indian diet and good education for someone in the Andaman Island?
      see…… it do work or not ?

      • L.

        “please provid good indian diet ”

        The Andamanese are eating healthier than your average Indian on the so called “good indian diet”.

    • Vishwamitra

      Indians are a genetically mixed race group of people. Indians are a mixed race of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Australoid, and Negroid genes. The race mix is so unique we are collectively known as Desi. Desis are a unique race unto ourselves. There are only five races in this world and they are Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, and Desi.

      Desis are a unique race of people comprising of 20 percent of the world population. Desis are found in every sector of business from doctor to lawyer to cab driver to bodega owner. Desis are the most successful people in America since the 1990 census.

      Words such as Caucasoid or Aryan are outdated and lack the modality to represent the Desi people. Desi people might be part Caucasian but not Caucasian in and of itself and that is the difference. Indians are plain and simple the Desi race.

  37. amanpreet

    Wait… how do Punjabis have asian genes? I mean what do you mean with the ‘Tibetan region’ ?

    • Amanpreet, what are “Asian genes”? Punjabis are Asian. I think you mean Mongoloid genes. And I’m sure there are plenty of Punjabis with Mongoloid ancestry. In South Asia, ethnicity used to be identified through paternal ancestors so if a Punjaban had a child with an Assamese, the child would be considered Punjaban. Look at Priyanka Chopra. She’s part Malayali from her maternal side, but people just call her “Punjabi” because of her paternal side.

      • amanpreet

        Thanks for the comment but thats not what I meant. I know that Punjabis could have an East Asian ancestry but what does the author mean with ‘tibetan region’?

  38. The “Dravidians” (ethnic) are of predominantly Dravidian/Australoid race. This race has been mixed in with various invading groups. The “Indo-Aryan” (ethnic) living in the North is Aryan/Australoid. The “Indians” you are most likely referring to are the Northern Aryan/Australoids.

    I’ve always seen “Indians” as being a cheap, second-rate version of the Persians. Second-rate is too high. I would say fourth-rate. “Indians” have the same elitist, classist, aristocratic mindset the Persians do, but it’s much crappier. They are also have the same imperialist, arrogant mindset, but it’s garbage compared to the Persians.

    The “Taj Mahal” is not an “Indian” building. It’s considered Persian Architecture. Ancient Persian Architecture is considered the most beautiful and advanced second only to modern styles. Much of “Indian” architecture/culture is a cheap, low-class imitation of the Persianate one. And the Persians actually defeated the crappy Indians and sacked their crappy capital of Delhi. If you want the real deal, check out the Persians. In fact, I find the Persians a fascinating people. I pity their tragic history, since they were once a great and noble empire. Much of their science, art, and culture was stolen by the corrupt, evil Arabs.

    As for the great mathematical achievements, they are not “Indian”. They are Dravidian. Kerala is Dravidian, not Indian. Kerala is a part of Dravida Nadu, currently being illegally occupied by “India”.

    • sudalai

      indha kadhaya ellam vera engayavadhu vidu.. kerala school of astromnomy and mathematics aam dei baadu adhu kerala association of tea kadai nayars .. so moodiittu kalambu

      • The Kerala School is a DRAVIDIAN accomplishment. “Indians” are not Dravidians. “Indians” do not get to take credit for our achievements. They are not our people.

        Ramanujan was Dravidian. He was a Tamil. Not “Indian”.

        • sudalai

          Ramanujan was a brahmin and he is overrated. … Kerala school of astronomy lam ellam oru mayirum pudungala.. calculusa kandupidhomnu oora emathittu thiriyaarunuvo.. andha kalathulaye avlo kandupidichaanga naa avanunga en ippo en onnum kjandupidikka mudiyala.. ramayanam mahabaratahma mari idhubum oru kattukadhai indha madhiri summa feel good storiesa vech proofnu oora emaatharanuvo. kerala school of tea kadainnu vena nadathaalam enna adhu thaan apta irukkum. Genesisnu inooru account vecha yaarukkum theriyathu paaru, dravidian

    • L.

      Taj Mahal is overrated.

      The ancient temples of South are awe-inspiring.

  39. sudalai

    And the Persians actually defeated the crappy Indians and sacked their crappy capital of Delhi.
    Dei baadu, idhu ellam ella naatilayum nadanthathu da koomutta baadu. nee enna nijamave paithiyama illa sychova. endha eli bandhula irundha ithana naala. nee veli naatula thaana irukkara? unna madhiri sori naiga ellam veli naatula irundhuttu mallaaka paduthuttu echa thuppuveenga

    • fukers

      fuck off Jingly!!!!!!!!! Iranian are niggard nigger with white skin nothing with Indian.( so called white Arabs /white Neanderthal is donkey than Indian)
      shit!!! i don’t like links with Berber,,,dirty shit like The toilet

  40. Johan

    Everytime i going online trying to find a serious chat about race and origin. Always people come up with that black indians are different cos of skin color and they need to be afro genetics. Forget that, skin color can change very fast . I have seen black indians that has more european face than a white skinned arab for example. Look at Sri Lankan cricketer (tamil) Angelo Matews his face futures is like taken out of a WW 2 Hitler aryan propaganda (if he would be white).

  41. Mohan

    You guys can check Rajib Khan’s genetic results. He is ethnically Bengali from Bangladesh, religion Muslim but has high caste ancestors.
    He came out 53% Euro, 47% Asian and less than 1% African.
    South Asians are either a primitive Causians mixed with primitive proto Mongoloids thus Australoids or we are modern Europids mixed with Australoids (primitive Mongoloids which show up as Asians) with some traces of modern Mongoloid East Asian DNA.

  42. jxqgam

    North Indians are Aryans(Aryan race have R1a blood line ,also finds in north-Indians & in upper caste north Indian too) (N-Eastern EuropeNorth India)

  43. James

    India is one of the most genetically diverse geographies, mainly comprising of Caucasian, Mongoloid, Australoid and minority traces of Negroite. The dependence of assuming one’s genetic makeup on the basis of the caste system is not viable at all. In simple terms, most upper caste Brahmins are genetically closer to a mix of australoid, mongoloid and Caucasian genes rather than Caucasian alone so the term caucasoid loosely thrown around is rather incorrect. Though North Indians presiding the states of Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand etc are genetically closer to Europeans than those of any other region, thus more accurately to be termed as Caucasoid, although there has been a lot of admixture and thousands of years of inter breeding of people of various genetic ancestry. Indians are best classified as mixed race than any other.

    • jxqgam

      North Indian are indo-Aryan from central Asia not from Europe. Who comes from central Asia, now settled in Aryavarta of India)

      North-eastern are Indian Mongoloid and south, east, west India region are mixture of Mongoloid, Australoid, middle east elements/Muslims/Pakistani/Bangladeshi and Caucasoid/ Mediterranean so there are more diverse.

      “BULLSHIT” European are not closer to north Indian. (I WAS WRONG) matter is some R1a people had been settled IN some eastern European ONLY, other no matter!!

      • pepperroncini

        North Indians are Indo-Aryan speakers, not Indo-Aryan. Just as the bulk of the Turkish genepool is not from the Turkic peoples of Mongolia even thought they speak a Turkic language.

  44. Paul Vann

    United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind

    United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, 261 U.S. 204 (1923), was a case in which the United States Supreme Court unanimously decided that Bhagat Singh Thind, an Indian Sikh man, was ineligible for naturalization. In 1923, Thind filed for United States citizenship under the Naturalization Act of 1906 which allowed white persons and persons of African descent to naturalize. He did not challenge the constitutionality of the racial restrictions. Instead, he attempted to have Indians classified as “white.”

    Thind argued that as a high-caste Indian he was “Aryan” and therefore “Caucasian”. The Court found that “the Aryan theory, as a racial basis, seems to be discredited by most, if not all, modern writers on the subject of ethnology,” and noted that “the Caucasic division of the human family is ‘in point of fact the most debatable field in the whole range of anthropological studies.'”
    According to the Court, “Congress, by the Act of February 5, 1917, 39 Stat. 874, c. 29, § 3, has now excluded from admission into this country all natives of Asia within designated limits of latitude and longitude, including the whole of India.” Bhagat Singh Thind claimed the right to citizenship as a white person, following the original naturalization statute of 1790. The Court concluded that the 1917 statute applied to Bhagat Singh Thind and thus supported the revoking of his citizenship, per the request of the Naturalization Examiner (who had originally objected to his being granted citizenship).

    Thind’s lawyers unsuccessfully argued that Thind had a revulsion to marrying an Indian woman of the “lower races” when they said, “The high-caste Hindu regards the aboriginal Indian Mongoloid in the same manner as the American regards the Negro, speaking from a matrimonial standpoint.”[1]

    Associate Justice George Sutherland found that, while Thind, an Asian Indian, may claim to have “purity of Aryan blood” due to being “born in Village Taragarh Talawa,near Jandiala Guru, Amritsar, Punjab” and having “high caste” status; he was not Caucasian in the “common understanding”, so he could not be included in the “statutory category as white persons”.[2] George Sutherland wrote in his summary: [2]
    Case closed.

    • Pyewacket

      Wow, using an example of institutionalized racism to justify further racism.

      Way to go, dude.

      Moan all you like, but at the very base we are all African in origin. Skin color is no more important than eye color or hair color or what you had for breakfast.

      And Indians are STILL Caucasians.

  45. ind aryan

    Indians are not caucasians. A very old name for india iss ‘Aryaarvrat’ and mos t indians with changeable slin color but mostly brown are aryan race. So have no doubts, Indians are aryas, as they are called in sanskrit who have migrated to every corner of this world. even your ancestors once lived in india more 3000 yrs ago and followed vaidic system

  46. Asian

    Please someone settle this for good — ARE Indians / Iranians / Europeans related somehow genetically, coming from the same ancestors? Do they or do they not?

    • Yes the North Indians, Iranians and Europeans are all related genetically. They were all together in Southern Russia maybe 8,000 YBP. The Indo-Iranians moved a bit to the east to the area of Northwest Kazakhstan and the Far Southern Urals. About 4,000 YBP, they began to move south into Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and North India.

      Their relatives, the very same people, began to move into Europe 6,000 YBP as the Indo-Europeans.

    • This is a break down of east Indian genetic composition
      Caucasoid and Aboriginal…more Caucasoid in the north more Aboriginal in the south

  47. Hi Robert, I`m srivatsan from south India, chennai and I speak tamil, english and little espanoel and I have a resemblance of europeans……my skin tone is light brown..I have very sharp nose, broad forehead beautiful small lips and eyes, can you tell me do I belong to Caucasian race ? wanna know out of curiosity haha……..I agree that Indians are caucasians except for their skin tone all other features mostly resembles the europeans. I noticed this and I have a friend in chennai tamilnadu who exactly resembles rowan atkinson (Mr.Bean)

  48. mike

    a lot of indians have facial features that are different from other european caucasians especially northern europeans and would look different even if they had fair/white skin and hair/eye color. there’s just something about them that looks very different – the big nose, big brow bones, big deep sunken eyes bordering more like neanderthals. same applies to many middle eastern/arab people.

  49. johndoe

    what you guys ……

    There are only four primary races,
    namely ( in India )
    (1.Indo-Aryan = 20% of Northwest India)
    (2.Dravidian [+Negroloid & Austroloid] (80% part)
    (3.Mongolian ( North- east india etc)

    Both the Aryans and Dravidians are related branches of the Caucasian race generally placed in the same Mediterranean Sub-branch. The difference between Aryan & Dravidian. their root so-called Aryans of the north and the Dravidians of the south & East ,west or other communities of Indian.

    yes great dravidian & Aryan all belong to caucasian race.and all Indians


    about me …..I’m Aryan race lover because my caste belong to them. anyway.

    cheer ..

    Great race in The World 1 .Negroloid 2.mongoloid 3 Australian 4 caucas. etc


    • johndoe

      Reality come out.( I also wrong) ……

      DNA evidence confirms : that Northwest Indian are mainly a mix of indigenous Australoids and little Caucasoids. They’re composed of two genetic components, one related to Andaman Islanders .

      which is
      higher in upper castes ,all admixture between the two are consistent with the introduction of Indo-Aryan & Dravidian .(australoid /Andaman and little caucasoid etc)

      I believe ..dravidian speaking an Indo-Aryan/indo-european Language in India.
      ( facial feature look so mix of Australoid/ Negroto)
      all Indian have mixture of andaman islander +Australoid+little Caucasoid from west Asia.etc.

      types —of Indian race or mix from different races (Australoids,Mongoloids and little Caucasoids).

      result: Every Indian have multiple- Racial blood .in their body.

      Please accept Racial reality of India. dravidian living in North west/North. of India.

      proof ugly facial feature like mix race.

      Indian have” own damage Race”. different than caucasian/Negro/australoid/mongoloid.

      Every one mix in India .

      accept reality ……India is: Indian race.

      • Spicy Xpress

        The more I read your paragraph I realized how dumb you sound, did your kind just regressed back to the monkey age. You have convinced me of your low IQ in understanding about the people of the Indian region. Through trade and commerce you had foreigners who lived there. However most who came were refugees from Afghanistan and Persia and they are mostly concentrated in the North western part of India. Successive war campaigns to their home land led the parsees, Afghani Hindus and Sikhs, and various others to make India their new home.

        Now lets fast forward to the colonial times. Due to the systematic plunder by the colonialists taking over India’s food and resources, read about the Bengal famine, you had thousands of Indians left to starve until death. The colonialists left their legacy of poverty to the region that was once the most prosperous region in the world. Let me ask you this when your wealth is stolen and you don’t have any funds to buy food and you resort to worms and bird nuts for the next 20 years, your race is gonna be as damaged as any other race. You crack me up with your wanna be intellect opinion. One more thing ARYAN and DRAVIDIAN ARE NOT RACES!!!

        • Lie vs Truth

          dumb!!! your.IQ. These guy are saying about Realty of India. i mean “Indian people different than Caucasian/Negro/Australoid/mongoloid because mixed race or own race. really Indian can pass??? as european white/Arab/African or also as pure Australoid (mostly origin from). where can pass as Punjabi? or Bengalis? Tamils? Kerala Lung? = Indian. lol…they can pass as white or Caucasian? Indian don’t look white/Caucasian or black/Negroid. Johnny is first parson “saying true” about people of India and Pakistan = “very own race”

        • Mohan

          India had a very low per capita income even beforre the British came. Per capita income in Great Britian in 1600 was much higher than that of India, indeed India only overtook thei per capita income in 1981! in its history. Most Indian people were butt poor and miserable, only the kings and aristocracy and some merchants (Jagat seths) were rich. the average Englishman was way richer than the average Indian in 1600s when the first Brits came to India

        • Actually the JohnDoe your replying to is right on one thing…East Indians are a combination of mostly Caucasoid types and Aboriginal types

          The science is solid but JohnDoe is so wrong on another…mixed race people are beautiful…and genetically more diverse = greater genetic health

  50. Kerala Lungis

    I hope you people are aware that Aryans and Dravidians are not a race. Anyone who distinguish people in that context are dumb and need to do a better job in learning about the human race.

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  52. i have been reading all these comments and can’t believe the racist bullshit theories of some who i can clearly identify as jealous niggers who want to drag indians down with them to the gutter because there are some dark skin ones, rednecks like the david koresh type who think off themselves as some superior race that was never responsible for the creation of any civilization more than what they plundered and robbed e.g. british and india., some sounded like black dravidians who have an inferiority complex and some sounded like the taliban pro muslims who does not belong to india , who invaded india and is responsible for the murder of ghandi, these suffer a bad inferiority complex because the truth is these muslims were really low caste indians who converted to muslims to free themselves of the low class people they are. Xera sounded like a tramp that some handsome rich indian man fucked and dumped. i would also like to address some who commented that indians were treated badly in the british colonies in the west indies. they spoke about guyana being one of the poorest countries in south america, they did not mention Trinidad, an oil rich island where the population is half indian and is the New York of the caribbean. indians never came as slaves to the colonies, they came as indentured laborer where many worked for a period of time , some returned to india and many stayed and made these islands their homes and were paid with a parcel of land. the niggers in these countries make it very hard for indians in these countries somewhat like what was happening in south africa. the niggers have no brains to deal with finances or run a country yet through deceitful tactics they always managed to win elections putting them in a position to steal and mismanage the countries money. indians form the major part of the private sector owning large and small business enterprise. the niggers as everywhere else rob indian businesses and kill their children , same situation in guyana. indians are blessed people where ever they go. they are similar to jewish people. they work hard , they don’t intermarry, they know how to survive in hard times, they save , leave a legacy for their children unlike niggers who eat and drink everything they work for in one day. there is nothing similar between indians and nigger, get that straight for some of you niggers who are associating indians with themselves. even if there are dark indians , their hair are not nappy. indians have straight beautiful hair that is in high demand among american blacks. please don’t associate indians with you people. you are akin to monkeys, you look like them , indians have straight noses and high cheekbones. even monkeys have straight hair. now for the facts about the ancestry of indians. Noah had three sons, SHEM, HAM, JAPHETH. the ancestor of the semetic and middle eastern people was SHEM, THE NEGROID AND AFRICAN TRIBES CAME FROM HAM, don’t know how true but it is even believed that the chinese people were also descendants of HAM, who let me remind you that HAM was cursed by his father NOAH. the indians, scythians, celts, slavic, russian and most european people were the descendants of JAPHETH. so YES , if europeans are considered caucasions , then indians are caucasians because they have a common ancestor , JAPHETH. I do believe though that indians are very mixed , with other tribes from their ancestry e.g. the greeks invaded india as well as the hungarians, persians, turks , portugese, scythians and ghengis khan, so there is also an element of the mongoloid race in a lot of indians but don’t tell me they are niggers or close to niggers. not all dark skin tribes are nigroid. the dravidians were dark skinned but their ancestor was ELAM the son of SHEM. indians therefore have a mixture of all of NOAH’s three sons but their main ancestor was MADAI son of JAPHETH WHO IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE FATHER OF THE WHITE RACES. indians are very noble people who were not nomadic. the aryan invasion theory is pure bullshit. even the bible account says that the nations and tribes moved from the eastern country and travelled west. some of the sons of JAPHET left INDIA , their original homeland and traveled north west into europe, they are now known as indo europeans. when the british occupied india, leant the language and was able to read the hindu texts, the vedas, mahabarat , puranas etc. they realized what a noble stock they lived among and realized their own inferiority to this ancient people and a civilizations that thrived in abundant riches until they came, they concocted the aryan invasion theory so as not to lose face. i don’t care a fuck what anyone else thinks this is the truth , go back to the bible , it has a very good account for the genealogy of the races of the world today that everyone could identify with. the hindu texts also have it but not everyone would be able to relate to it and understand it.

    • this is a great example of schizoid thinking. In one breath you say “can’t believe the racist bullshit theories of some” and in that same breath you conclude- ” who i can clearly identify as jealous niggers” you say this so effortlessly as if your very statement is not racist….thats pathological ..we humans have so much work to do ridding our selves of the base mentalities of truly racist types

    • Pyewacket

      There were no such actual people as Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Noah, Ham, etc etc etc. That’s all some bronze age mythology of one tiny tribe in a particular area that couldn’t manage to govern themselves or maintain an actual country, but liked to pretend that they did.

      Christianity was just a particular flavor of Judaism until long after the death of Christ, when in order to increase temporal power and influence SOME early church leaders decided to drop Mosaic law and allow uncircumcised unreformed Gentiles in – whereafter they quickly took over the whole shebang and like to pretend there was never any “Jewish”-ness involved.

      Nobody sane considers Japheth to be the father of anything, let alone the “white race”. There IS no “white race”. We are ALL of African descent. ALL.

  53. Robert I’d have to ask you how can all of India be classified as Caucasoid when all Indians contain at least 30% Black Aboriginal dna?
    I toatlly see lumping some north Indians into the Caucasoid group but many Tamil and Dravidians visibly are not Caucasoid.

    • Nope, all Indians who are non Asians are from 65-90% Caucasoid on DNA. Also the aboriginal component is not Black; it is Australoid.

      • lol nope is right….ive never seen such high % claimed to be Caucasoid. I said at least 30% is Austroloid but to be exact all Indians have 39% to 77% Ancestral northern Indian dna or ANI. This ANI is the component refered to as Caucasoid. If an Indian has say 39% ANI this means he/she had 69% ASI or Ancestral Southern Indian dna. ASI is the component refered to as Austroloid.(but im sure you know this) As for my saying “Black Aboriginal” Robert im sure you know what I meant. You say “the aboriginal component is not Black; it is Australoid” as if Aboriginals have never been referred to as Black. Im not sure if your American or from accross the pond but if your the later you “really” know but if your an American heres a little cultural updating on the using of the term Black for Aboriginal peoples.
        Black in this case doesn’t mean Black African or Afro American but Aboriginal thus “Black Aboriginal” Black being used as a discriptor. Also ASI is akin to modern Adaman Islanders. Have you seen Adaman Islanders? -lets just say their not Caucasian

        • 61% not 69%. I just ran a long piece by an Indian guy who is obsessed with proving that all Indians are Caucasians. He made some case that ASI was really Caucasian but that cannot be correct. You are right, ASI is clearly Australoid. As long as you are not saying that Australoids are Africans like Black people, then it’s ok. They actually are a completely different race. Whites are much closer to Blacks than Australoids are!

          Andaman Islanders are definitely Australoids. Look at their skulls. The skulls are Australoid.

          I don’t get it. You are a bit of an Afrocentrist and you are sane and nice. Most Afrocentrists are lunatics and they are mean as snakes. Well, anyway, thanks for being an anomaly. Nothing wrong with being sane and pleasant.

        • I do my best to be rational. Many times I find myself side presented arguments made by Afro-Centrics because people assume im advocating the exact same theories. I consider my self world centric but when necessary or disired i do look at history from an Afro-Centric perspective such as looking at the history of civilization in north east Africa as an African development not something imported from the levant or researching Black presence in medieval,renaissance or even colonial age Europe like Abram Hannibal or Alexander Dumas & his father (whos 1st name escapes me). I try not to be prejudicial & usually researching academically valid sources with an eye for supporting evidence is all one needs. Many Afro centrics claim theories that lack full proof as facts & Eurocentrics toatally disregard the possibility a Black non Caucasoid people could have ever created any contribution to human civilization so they regurgitate whats been in Eurocentric history books for years & look at subjects through that lens. Unfortunately in this world Black has been associated with subjugation, stupidity & all things ugly & sub par. For example East India had this attitude doubled because the history of their own Varna (color) caste system was compounded by colonial attitudes towards Blacks & all non White peoples. East Indian attitudes toward color strikes a familiar uncomfortable cord with Afro-Americans. We too have a color complex & we see those East Indians who eagerly clamor for recognition as purely Caucasoid as attempting to deny their ” Black Aboriginal” roots.

          To qoute
          Mari Marcel Thekaekara

          “Indians rarely perceive beauty in black or far-eastern women. In fact, most Indians look for pale-skinned brides for their sons. Bridal ads ask for ‘fair skinned’ girls. So skin colour is important and you can’t be beautiful if you are not fair. Prospective bride seekers swarm into the girl’s house to ‘see the bride’. They have no compunction about saying, in front of the bride and her family, ‘she’s too black, we don’t want black grandchildren.’” – See more at:

          One could see why Afro-Americans & other African peoples eyebrows raise up at hearing the term Caucasoid being applied to “all” Indian peoples. Just as many see the term Black to mean of African heritage the word Caucasoid is still firmly attached to Europe
          African Americans come from a culture were most anything resembling Black is labled Black by the wider society. This is the lens we see race out of & we do take pride in just seeing a people who may only resemble us having acomplished feats that have been claimed only by white & lighter skinned peoples. I claim all of Africa(meaning Egypt also) as cultural heritage just as a German claims all of Europe including ancient Minoa.
          Just explaining how & why many Afro centrics may think the way they do.

          Despite the Adaman Islanders skull shape if you dressed one in RockAwear gear & dropped him in the middle of Brooklyn Americans (White or Black) would see a “Black” person. I understand stand genetically they are Austroloid/Austronesian so I argue accordingly. Most Afro centrics don’t bother to make these scientific destinctions. I even wrote a blog about an Austronesian Melanesian type in early Asia many Afro centrics label “The Black Shang”

          yeah technically they were Black but not as in African. They’d diverged genetically enough to have become a different group.

          I do Agree many Indians would fall under the grouping of Caucasoid but to label then all as such would be to deny the high % of Aboriginal dna-dna of the founders of the Indus Civilization

        • Thank you! I have always wondered who the Black Shang were. I always thought they might be Negritos, but instead they seem to have been Melanesians as you said. I think maybe they were proto-Austronesians living inland in South China, correct?

        • Yes it seems the Polynesian and Melanesian types evolved on mainland Asia before taking to the sea and populating Islands. Before leaving they created complex cultures and civilizations pointing to the fact civilization has more to do with what area your ancestors happen to be have settled in not who they biologically are. Genetics are crazy I mean like the remains of the dark skinned European with blue eyes that still possessed African gene mutation for skin color for lack of a better term this guy seems the closest thing we have to the missing “link” between Africans and Europeans. It would be great to find the in betweener for the Han Chinese mongoloid type…and thank you Im always learning from your page and as a result of what you write about.

        • You are actually one of my favorite commenters on here Hucipher. I am actually not racist at all. I do not know why people call me that so much. I just tell it like it is, that’s all. I want nothing but the best for Black people, and I mean it from the bottom of my heart.

          I would like to do a lot more research on these Melanesian types who seemed to be widespread throughout Southern China, Indonesia and SE Asia until a quite recent transition to Neomongoloid. The transition happened 4-5,000 YBP in Southern China and as late as 2,300 YBP in Vietnam. Hence quite a few SE Asian Mongoloids have residual traces of this Australoid Melanesian element.

      • A-Man

        So on average south asians are something like 65-90 percent caucasoid,0-5 percent mongloid and 5-35 percent australoid. There can be some more or less as this is average estimate range. Is this a right average in your opinion

  54. Duniya

    Indians are black skinned from North to south except some have light skinned. These is no such thing as North Indians and south Indians cuz all are same. People in North India think they are beautiful and possess fair skin but honestly I met more dark skin people from North with not attractive face features than south. So in general doesn’t matter how far you run you can’t change your reality. People from Pakistan, iran,Afghanistan do not fit in Indian category of dark skin but Indians love to pull them with them because you need support to prove your not what world sees.

  55. I was just noticing this interesting similarity between caucasians and people from India (many areas). Many assume due to the differences in skin colors that they are two different “races” (vs. species), but the structure of the bones is very similar, and not similar to other races I am familiar with (major races). Thanks for confirming my thoughts.

  56. Katherine Schwartz

    Very interesting study

  57. Negroess Negroess

    Indians are seen as monkeys by western people who call them curry niggers. It is only natural to dream a little. It softens the pain of monkey looks. Even this consolation is deemed as something to criticise.

    Since nothing Indians can do do improve their PR indians need to embrace their monkeyhood and their curry niggerhood. We can learn from black people who have embraced the word nigger.

    Call me curry nigger and call me monkey and critique any softening of the pain of life in silly daydreams that one dreams in a spare moment and you have the disaster that is third world India to the world.

    White women in contrast have superb PR. I believe this is probably the best PR in the world.

    Indians, Muslims and blacks face the face the difficulty of the worst PR. I am not sure who has the very worst PR. I give credit to western femenists who actually show sensitivity to the problems that others in the world face. Femenists in the west are right thinking and sensitive people. It shows their moral superiority.

    • Pyewacket

      I actually cannot tell what your point is supposed to be, so I’ll just make mine.

      ALL human beings are “niggers”. We came out of Africa. At one time we were down to less than 2,000 human beings in the entire world. We’re about as inbred a bunch as is possible. And that wasn’t the ONLY population bottleneck we had to squeeze through – just the worst. That we know of.

      We all “look like monkeys” – because they are our distant cousins. (We are much much more closely related to apes rather than monkeys, in actuality, but whatever).

      Going back to the idea another poster made (maybe even in another blog posting, I may be confusing them at this point), wherein the poster stated that he/she found it “confusing” that the Indian population is so similar across the entire subcontinent when there was so much “enforced” endogamy (which the poster attributed to a caste system that doesn’t seem to have actually existed in the rigid modern form until fairly recently).

      There’s no confusion there. If you think that the caste system, even if it actually HAS been rigidly enforced for thousands of years. was more than a minor speed bump in the road to various people throughout the history of our entire race gettin’ it on with their neighbors, you’re incredibly naive. Heck, gettin’ some strange is responsible for the 1% – 4% of Neanderthal genes in the human genome – and that’s from a totally different SPECIES, not just cross-caste hanky-panky.

  58. A very interesting study.The most intelligent comment (though his English and syntax could have been better) appears to be by the ‘gentleman’ above (Negroess Negroess , 10 Jan 2016).

  59. No. They are NOT “Caucasians” They are CAUCASOIDS. Caucasoids consist of caucasions (Europeans), Arabs, Mediterraneans and Indians. The main groups of homo sapiens today are Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids and Australoids.

  60. SHI

    Robert, it’s a controversial subject but still worth examining: whether Indians have inferior genetics compared to other races and nationalities of the world.

    While Indians show a great genetic diversity among themselves all the way across from Kashmir to Tamil Nadu, they have much more in similar with each other than they do with neighboring countries of Central Asia, Iran, China, Russia etc.

    Even white people with some observation skills, can easily tell an Indian or a Pakistani apart from a Turk or an Arab. For the most part, Pakistanis are racially similar to Indians and should be treated as one for this discussion.

    There’s literally no way to disprove this theory, so many facts and figures that literally jump out to stare at your face. Now why haven’t Indians exactly won the genetic lottery, let us see:

    A greater propensity to lifestyle diseases, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure and more Indians are among the most insulin resistant people on earth – this is a well-documented fact. As a result they have high body fat % and very low muscle mass when compared to other ethnic groups. Even with absolutely identical diet and exercise the average Indian will end up significantly less athletic than the average non-Indian. It does show up as the most poor physique development.

    Physically weak Of course, there will be examples of Indian Olympic wrestlers and boxers who have won medals and are considered good athletes. But, those are exceptions rather than the rule. South Asian countries have the absolutely lowest per capita medals tally at international events like Olympics, much lower than every other region out there: Asia-Pacific, Africa, Latin America, Europe, CIS nations and North America.

    The men and women of Asian countries look far robust and healthier than your average Indian. China, Japan and South Korea are among the top performing countries in any international athletic event, and the Olympics. Even Thailand wins more medals than India. I have been to Thailand, saw Thai kickboxers beat the living shit out of each other. It’s called “Muay Thai”, a no-holds-barred contest. Thai fighters can be badass, you don’t want to mess with them.

    Even Thai women are STRONGER than Indian women, and can endure much longer, you know what I mean, I speak from experience 🙂 Indian women are the most attractive in all of Asia (and possibly among the top 10 most attractive nationalities) but I tell you what, most of them are shit at sex. Well, they can’t help it, most Indian men have “tiny weenies” and according to BBC, it was found that Indian men just don’t measure up to international condom sizes

    In fact, Durex had to refabricate their condoms in India. I can vouch for that myself based on my own experience with condoms in Thailand, Uzbekistan, and a number of European countries. I’ve been always blessed with a proper manhood although there have been days when the Bad Johnson just won’t get up because it’s tired. But, when I’m turned on, I have to buy X Large every time which I feel is similar to a Medium sized in Czech Republic. Maybe I should oo a video on this?

    Indian middle and upper classes lead a sedentary lifestyle where they have to encounter little physical activity. They get around everywhere in cars and motorcycles, and thus, are not capable of walking even a 1.5 mile distance. This, I can vouch for.

    Most Indians cannot fight in self-defence, and if they get bashed up by whites, blacks, Mexicans, Pacific Islanders (in Australia, there have been several incidents where Aborigines and white kids beat up Indians), it can prove FATAL. Here’s a case in point: racist police officers in Alabama did a “Rodney King” on this elderly Indian man (a Gujarati). While the real Rodney King, being black, survived the beating and went on to do crimes in future, this poor Indian man has been left paralyzed for life.

    Here’s an example of a South Indian man, somewhere in New Jersey where there’s a large Indian population, who got knocked out cold after calling some black thugs “losers”. SHAME. I’m sure the blacks were harassing him though. Check 1;27 to 1:33.

    Poor nutrition Indians usually eat high carb food with very little protein. The sugar intake is much higher compared to other races/nationalities.

    Food and nutrition is just plain fucked up for many Indians who happen to be vegetarians. Whats for breakfast? CHAPPATIS (unleavened bread)! Whats for lunch? RICE! Whats for dinner? RICE and CHAPPATIS! And not just any rice, Its white rice which has a very HIGH Glycemic index and will 100% turn to fat once it goes into the body.

    Most Indians will not consume fruits and vegetables or proteins. This makes them even weaker than they are.

    Low intelligence Although Indians have won sixen or sev Nobel prizes so far, and they are many bright Indians out there, an overwhelming majority of this country have an average IQ of 85-90, and that’s being generous.

    A case in point: Bollywood. The most stupid, lame film industry in the world, who really watches that shit except South Asian people.

    I have seen international cinema from countries like Argentina, Chile, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even Thailand – the content is much superior to what you find in Bollywood.

    • Battleship Negro

      By your example of intelligence we see that the Jews who per capita have won most noble prizes are smarter than everyone.

      Indians are experts at analysis? By you reasoning since you are a low IQ Indian we can take the content of what you say as being NOT in the least bit intelligent.

      Actually as an Indian I am sure a chimp is a lot more capable than you. Certainly this is the case in turd flinging.

      Indeed we see this as when a low IQ Indian like youis passing a chimp he might get a turd flung in his direction. Even the chimps have no respect for you. However, a Jew would be treated more respectfully as he might have a noble prize to collect.

    • EPGAH

      Going on to commit more crime in the future is NOT a desirable trait. I would PREFER a criminal be unable to do anything to anyone else, wouldn’t you?

      And yes, Durex made a big thing about making smaller condoms for India, because they were too embarrassed to order small, so they just went without!

      • Battleship Negro

        I prefer the dumb in moment type criminals myself too. I think SHI would be an Indian example of this kind of criminal. Let’s hope the cops catch him soon!

    • Battleship Negro

      SHI if the criteria of brilliance is winning noble prizes then no on comes out on top except for Jews. So it just shows what an ignorant basis of intelligence your Indian self has come up with. Try harder. I am sure the East Europeans, Chinese, Arabs, etc who are not exactly winning noble prizes by the dozen will be not pleased with your noble prize centric view of intelligence.

      Try to be more intelligent. Try to think of intelligence as a basis for doing many things and not just one thing.

  61. Battleship Negro

    Now what does the H in SHI stand for? Stupid.

    What dies the In SHI stand for? Hungry.

    What does I in SHI stand for? Indian.

    There you have it STUPID HUNGRY INDIAN is the mysterious code behind SHI.

    It is easy to crack. The clues are all over the place in the post by SHI.

    • SHI

      Well, your posts are rather insulting, I think you must apologize. I don’t think I’m puny at all, far from it. But, I agree with the rest of your message (but not the tone), had your post been directed as a generalization about Indians rather than a personal attack, I wouldn’t have bothered to respond (I don’t care about most Indians either). But, here we go.

      While I’m not exactly thrilled to be Indian and actively distance myself from everything that this stupid culture stands for, I thank God every single day of my life that at least I wasn’t born black.

      I’m not racist mind you. I can get along EXCELLENTLY with black people, far better than the average Indian does – most of them are largely ignorant about blacks. Indian women, for the most part, are terrified of you lot. Me, I can have any black girl I want, any time I want. I did date a black girl once long back. Tell you what, I get way more attention from black females than I have to give it to them in return, including your superhotties. As for you, I don’t think you’ll get far with Indian girls, even the ones that look like a 5.0. They’re physically repulsed by you. I’ve lost count of the number of times my black “bros” have asked me to help them score with an Indian chick (in fact, I use that as a bargaining chip) but no luck really. Maybe you all have a bigger dick than I do, but it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. That’s what you will always remain, TOOLS.

      I am extremely close pals with a few black guys, we’ve hung out together at bars and nightclubs. And I say the same things to them that I just wrote you. The ones that I call friends happen to be educated, nice decent fellows and despise the ghetto types. But to stretch the whole argument, I have even hung out several times with the thug and criminal variety of blacks just to confirm if the stereotypes are true, well in my experience, they are. You all make great wingmen in nightclubs though, almost all of you can sing and dance rather well (most of my favorite artistes are black). Well that’s one thing I can’t take away from black men, you all are funny as hell.

      In fact, I’ve been told by blacks and whites alike, that I could almost “pass” for black because of my strong affinity and appreciation for black culture.

      Except I don’t.

      Tell you what I’m really happy about the fact hat I’ve never really been mistaken for a black in my whole life. While there are indeed a few disadvantages to being an Indian, for the most part, it doesn’t really matter. I have perfectly straight hair, an “Aryan” straight nose, an oval face close to what is known as a Golden Ratio and pleasing mannerisms. I could pass for white if it wasn’t for the hue of my skin but it doesn’t matter, at least I’m not a black man.

      Believe me, BOY, there are lots of advantages of not being mistaken for a black guy:

      I don’t have to watch my back every single time – No matter where they live, black men ALMOST ALWAYS get in trouble with law enforcement, drug gangs or criminal elements. They can’t help it. It’s the stereotype – people look at you, and are like “Black guy creeping along slowly = DANGER”.

      I don’t really get any of that negative attention. I did spend a lot of time in Europe and there were days when I would act like a thug negro from the ghetto (I’m so much in love with MTV version of black ciulture) but still, did not get arrested even once.

      (not America though, no idea).

      I can approach any girl I want without her fearing for her life or being raped There are certainly a few advantages of not looking as intimidating as a big black buck. Among them, women are far more at ease with me than they’l l be with you, dear Trayvon,
      If we do have a brush together with the law, the cops are more likely to trust my version of the events than yours I speak from experience again, Tyrone.
      I can pull off the business executive look far better than you do Ever heard of a black guy in a suit? It’s either a musician like Seal or some rapper.

      Me, I don’t even have to try if I want to look elegant and sophisticated.

      Well, that’s enough for today. Take care and good-bye. Class dismissed, Tupac.

      • Battleship Negro

        You thank God every day you were not born black.

        Really. In the west we have a word for that. It is called racist.

        • Battleship Negro

          In the very next sentence you say

          I am not racist mind you.

          Well there you have it good people. A master class in logical contradiction. So now we have to say dumb racist now,

        • SHI

          I only said things in response. Who’s the real racist? You are.

          I’m not racist. In fact, this April itself, I’ll be offering my own pad to a black soccer player from Europe who’ll be down here on a visit. He’s a dear friend and he knows my views about thug blacks. But, he’s practical and sensible person and has a university degree. He also played soccer for Ghana in international tournaments.

          I can’t wait to host him. I don’t see this guy any different from other people. He’s as black as it can get and he’ll be my best friend.

          As for you, “fucking nigger”, you need to revisit this whole thread again. You were the one that started with hateful personal attacks, and you accuse me of being racist. I’m not one but I don’t take kindly to personal attacks, I know most of you thug blacks are actually cowardly and turn tail once someone decides to sock it to you. But most people don’t really wan to offend you or are actually scared of your intimidation tactics, and you think you can get away with whatever you want.

          Get the hell out of here.

      • Battleship Negro

        So on your logical fantasy world you are happy to make stereotypical racist comments of a heartless vicious nature against people on extreme poverty as long you are not having any turds fling at you.

        Well logic does not work like that. Ask a chimp. He will be happy to fling a few turds in your Indian direction.

        Blacks will do the same because you make racist statements about them. White nationalist do not want your Indian chimp ass anywhere near their Aryan women. And these Aryan women think you are an Arab straight from Cologne with your brown chimp rape army.

        • SHI

          Here’s one more to you, “nigger”. I have traveled to Cologne, Germany, and was there at the exact spot (Cologne Cathedral and Hauptbahnhof station) where the New Year rape incidents occurred. Of course, it was before the incident, but not very long, only six months before

          NEWSFLASH: No one in Cologne ever mistook me for an Arab or anything else, so stop spreading lies and false rumours. I always act in a polite and civilized way with everyone.

        • Battleship Negro

          So you call me nigger. Might I call you curry nigger? So the Aryan women did not know if you was a curry nigger or a sand nigger. What the fuck were you doing in Cologne? Do you think the Aryan women want a nigger they are not sure is a curry nigger or a sand bigger molesting them? Or perhaps they would rather not be molested at all by you curry/sand niggers!

        • Sheesh.

          Niggers, sand niggers, curry niggers, wiggers, chiggers, spiggers, Mexiniggers, sea niggers, prairie niggers…

          You’re all just a bunch of nigs, you realize that, right?

  62. Battleship Negro

    Now we know why SHI is physically weak. It is poor nutrition.His poor Indian intelligence is a given being an Indian who can even not post a logically consistent piece of writing. Which leaves us with his penis. This penis is his tiny Indian manhood but being Indian manhood can he get it up. Will his poor nutrition allow it to do so? No his manhood is limp like his posture due to malnutrition.

    Now on to health. Well his main problem is nutrition but he can not afford viagra in any case. So of you see him give some food with some crushed viagra;and then a handjob would be a kindness indeed once the viagra kicks in.

  63. Battleship Negro

    Also I think the chimp like looks of Indians like SHI is one of the reasons Aryan women despise them. It is excellent to despise Indians like SHI. If an aryan woman sees a chimp like SHI on the streets they start fantasising about planet of apes.

    Such a being is briefly mentioned in the Koran.

    The devout woman of Helsinki
    sees the black shadow
    He looks like an ape and yet human too
    Perhaps an ape is too kind
    He looks neither ape nor human
    And yet he decides to piss on the floor while standing
    In the alleyway
    To go on is to risk
    To go back is safer and
    To pray to the Lord
    Of all
    For peace and safety and love in the world

    The Finnish Koran

  64. Battleship Negro

    So from the evidence we see this SHI making vicious heartless comments about blacks and Indians and he thinks he not racist. So he is stupid man who know no logic and with a vicious mentality towards those he sees as beneath his Indian self (which includes other Indians of which category in his fantasy world he not a member despite being a member according to Ayans etc)

  65. Battleship Negro

    Look at this racist SHI! Hosting a black soccer player but not showing him his racist comments of waking up and thanking his stars that he not black. Look SHI show him what you posted and let him make his mind up if you are truely not racist. The evidence is overwhelming.

    Let me see you condemn blacks and Indians as entire races and then get uptight if someone calls you racist.

    Well that could be because you are a non noble prize winning low IQ Indian. By your own logic you have hung yourself.

    • What’s your problem with SHI? This seems personal lol.

      • Battleship Negro

        Just showing you one person who claims that he is not racist actually is so;and is so by way of being a prime example of the deluded narcissistic type of psychological profile of this type of racist.

        Btw it is not personal. This is the Internet. It is full of argumentation.

        You say a whole load of non noble prizing winning idiotic trash about a race of people and do not apply it your individual imbecile self, well that is just retarded. Some one might just hold you up to your own standards.

        Besides Robert got it right when he said we are just a bunch of niggers, and that includes yours truely. In fact I am quite the battleship nigger as my commanding officer said when I cooked him a delicious trifle the other day.

        Sheesh kebab niggerdom struck in Cologne and this SHI who likes to call me nigger was part of the mix of criminality by phenotype during the New Year’s Eve celebration. Just saying.

        • SHI

          All right black boy. I might have gone a bit overboard with my remarks, but I’m not a racist person, and won’t have you keep calling me one. Time to move on if you’re finally done with your broken record.

          For the last and final time, I’m NOT racist. I don’t care if I’m called anything else but I really object to the word “racist”.

          That being said, I see nothing wrong with a healthy amount of racial awareness that drives human group behavior. As long as you’re not hating those of other races, it’s fine by me. Not my cup of tea though, I’m allergic to GROUPTHINK mentality unless it’s for positive good.

          And yes, I do believe that Nobel prizes are a strong indicator of human intellect recognition. As a Sweden based institution, it may not be perfect, and maybe a tad bit Euro-centric but still, there’s no equally internationally recognized award ceremony which may compare to Nobel.

        • We’re just one big happy family here.

          I know this picture probably makes EPGAH sick lol

  66. Battleship Negro

    Lovely picture. A religious group called jehovah’s witnesses specialises in this kind of superb non racist imagery.

  67. Battleship Negro

    Now on to SHI who is using some Interesting language.

    “I might have gone a bit overboard with my remarks” How is that for a euphemistic view of his vicious views on race?

    He is not for groupthink but then he is if it for the positive good. Right….so this non noble prize winning Indian has an enough smarts to figure out what kind of groupthink is for the positive good.

    But how does such a low IQ non noble prize winning Indian muster the brain power to assess what is beneficial groupthink? Would you trust a low IQ non noble prize winning Indian with such an important task. We should leave this important task to a noble prize winning Jew.

    He believes the noble prize is a tad euro centric. You mean as in Indian you have no fucking chance in hell of winning one. Again notice the euphemistic language as a mechanism to back peddle a slight way and then grin like an idiot as if you have accomplished something of conceptual note. I am sorry but you fail again.

    In any case the noble prize is not Eurocentric at all. It is Middle East centric as the Jews per capita receive more noble prizes than any other racial group. Again you Indian idiocy is on display.

    • dm

      you blame the guy for being racist then g on about your jewish theories again, hilarious, the main problem with the Nobel prize is who was Nobel what did he actually do! Dynamite

      • Battleship Negro

        It is Not a theory to assert a chechable fact, namely that Jews per capita lead the world in winning noble prizes.

        It is a dynamite prize in origin for sure but the noble prize can not be used in terrorist operations as it has no dynamite in it. However, when I win my noble I will insist on dynamite being given with it in recognition of its origins.

        • Battleship Negro

          I should have checked my spelling of the word checkable.

          Jews are the brainiest people and to say that is a fact.

    • Proud Bengali Brahmin

      Hey you low IQ monkey, it’s Nobel prize (not noble prize).

      Bengali Kulin Brahmins with less than half million population have won 2 major Nobel Prizes in Literature & medicine working in 3rd world Kolkata. Euro whites win 1 Nobel prize per 1.5 million-2 million population.

      In USA Ashkenazi Jews win 1 Nobel prize for 1 lakh population. Bengali Brahmins with less than 10,000 population have won 1 Nobel in Economics and 1 Nobel Laureate plaque award winner in Chemistry. We are also producing some best inventors of the world in USA. Arapan Chakraborty is the youngest inventor in USA to cross 200 patents at age of 33. Silicon Valley’s youngest inventor entrepreneur, Shubham Banerjee, is also a Bengali Brahmin.

      Even in artistic fields we have produced musicians like Ravi Shankar or his daughter Nora Jones Shankar, who together have won 14 Grammy awards.

      So you don’t mess with your superior MASTER Bengali Brahmin.

  68. Battleship Negro

    So let us look at the racism of the Nazis and hitler’s racism before his death to have a full understanding of the kind of Racism on offer from SHI. These two types of racism are distinct. Let me explain.

    Firstly the nation socialists or as a term of mockery and a shorthand for nation socialist the word Nazi. The Nazis felt that they were a kind of blonde super race. Except the leadership and hitler himself were anything but blonde. Indeed they were in fact a kind of ignorant ugly looking rabble. So the leadership were a laughing stock.

    However Hitler did have a greatness with regards to his abilities as an orator and fixer of the German economy. Despite his non Aryan looks the darkling seer of the national socialists had a new kind of racism which distanced him from the German people. Firstly he Could see the greatness of himself historically, but having lost the war how was he too view the German people? Suddenly these people lost their lustre. He felt they were useless and unworthy of so great a man as himself. They had let a great statesman and leader down. So this was the latter day racism of hitler towards his own people.

    So it is the racism of the latter day hitler that SHI exemplifies. He feels Indians are useless and he is superior to them. The flaw is obvious, like hitler, “he is of them”as the prophet of Islam referred to the infidels. “He is of them.” He is a curry/sand Nigger to the good people of Cologne. He is a paki to the British people. He is a “mud” person to the white nationalists. He is a filthy infidel to the Muzlims. “He is of them.”Take your pick.

    • Battleship Negro

      This SHI even makes cites as personal weakness people who get beat up. This is supposed to prove something. He cites this as a universal example of weakness of the physical kind for some Indians who got beat up.

      Exempt of course if the police in Cologn beat his ass for being part of the sand/curry nigger phenotype who were harassing the Aryan women then he would not be too happy. The police can knock anyone out. A determined thug who engages in crime for a living can do the same, but when it is not happening to our racist hero SHI it is down to the weakness of the person being attacked.

      I am sure the Aryan women of Cologn would not be happy with this racist analysis coming from This non noble prize winning imbecile SHI who blames the person being attacked for not being able to defend themselves.

      Hey genius why not blame the Aryan women of Cologn as well?

  69. Ultra Cool

    How many Indians actually have Caucasian features AND light or olive skin? It seems most of them are dark skinned with Caucasian features.

  70. Sahab Singh Raghuvanshi

    Hey I m from north India and I saw all the ugly thoughts here said by you all but let me remind u in Veda which we talk about say only about the region north India to Iran.This place was called “Aryawart” in in Sanskrit that mean place of Aryans. European carried other genes.Now Dravidian will say that they generally have so much Sanskrit language spoken but in North India Sanskrit extinct because of Muslim attackers that came from Turkey .And Hindi language is match so much to Turkish language.You will find north indians and Iranians carrying similar gene’s.And another thing the game or sport which we talk about is kabaddi that is famous in north India and in Iran. So hope you all got the answer.

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  72. Proud Bengali Brahmin

    Aryan invasion theory may or may not be correct, but genetic study shows we are genetically all different.

    Google – Caste is not ancestrally arbitrary. Bangladeshi American Razib Khan has posted genetics of various Indian groups. Even among Brahmins, the genetics of UP Brahmins are completely different from Tamil Brahmins or Bengali Brahmins. We are all different. The average IQ of Brahmins is 110, but it will vary tremendously among various Brahmin communities.

    The community I belong to scored even higher than Ashkenazi Jews in IQ research, and in the USA we are doing lot better than Ashkenazi Jews (Nobel Prize breakthroughs in terms of population, or number of patents in terms of population.)

  73. Varun

    Every topic on racial origin of Indians would degenerate into a mud-slinging battle. This comment section is yet another example of this fact. First, a recap of Indian history.

    Early European traders (not invaders) of 14th century noticed similarities between Indian and European languages. With the advent of East India Company, it became certain that some 20 Indian languages and their Indian mother, Sanskrit, was related to old European mothers, namely Greek and Latin. At first, Europeans thought Indians to be proto-Europeans, i.e. Dark-Caucasians, who migrated to Europe and became light-skinned after they settled in Europe. This view led to lots of cultural exchanges between India and Europe.

    Portuguese colonials often supplied young Portuguese brides to the land-lords of western part of India in an effort to build diplomacy. Later, British called Indians their long parted cousins, i.e. Asiatic Aryans. Indians also praised the British rule in India and joined Christian schools, learned European languages, and got jobs. This period was a period of Indophile (Europeans) and Anglophile (Indians). But honeymoon was soon to be over and to turn into Indophobic (Europeans) and equally Europhobic or anti-Christian (Indians). So let’s go back to language and religious studies.

    Languages do not fly. Indo-European language family, as they call it now, is the most distinct family of all languages. Unlike all other language families, Indo-European family is very tightly related when you consider the fact that it encompasses almost 2 continents, Europe and subcontinent of India. Yet, India was home to many other language families. So the tables were turned. Indians were no longer ancestors of Europeans, rather European Aryans conquered poor local Indians and subjugated them in a series of migrations or invasions into India over 2 millennia.

    Christian missionaries tried to use this fact against high caste Hindus (Indo-Aryans) to spread Christianity among masses of lower castes. At the same time, many Europeans started looking down upon Indians as lowly mixed-race breed of Aryans who were then close to those Indians who defecate in open. So came the rise of Hindu nationalism. High caste Hindus started resenting Christians as far as they could and feared that their religion and culture was threatened by the European Christians, mainly the British and its missionaries.

    This led to the Great mutiny of 1857, a violent armed struggle by the mighty Indian army against the East India Company. The mutiny, also called ‘first war of independence,’ shook the British Empire. Later, Indians, led by the Mahatma, started calling Britishers alien invaders and slave owners who had no right to rule India by force. The rest is the history of love turning into hate.

    Few points must be noted here. British only colonized India much the same way once the Hindu Aryans did. Under the British, high caste Indians worked for the British and got paid quit good, at the least, it was a case of British outsmarting high caste Hindus and Muslims. The major sufferers were once again those who defecated in open. The arrogant high Hindus still have a lot introspection to do.

    We still live in India as foreigners, ignoring the plight of those who we ruled for 3000-5000 years. And when an ignorant racist Westerner points fingers at us, we behave as if we are innocent and absolved from all guilt. Yes, British were bad enough, but when did we prove that we are so noble? Also, Aryan was clearly an ethnonym originally. Even Buddhists had an Aryo-Dravid high class and lowly beggar class of masses. And this is why we still look more Caucasoid than Australoid.

    The only culprit here is ‘evolution.’ It allows for the big fish eat small fish routine which is so striking in India, more so than Africa or South-East Asia or South America.

    The good news is that evolution is also relative. In other words, lowly Australoid or Negroid castes have the same potential to evolve to a stage, where Europoids are now, in a few decades or century. But for that to happen, my European cousins and Hindu brothers must first have some evolving to do. This is to first recognize and acknowledge the facts mentioned above without being too lofty or insulting or defensive. After all, Hindus too belonged to the land of Buddha, the enlightened one. So when exactly did we start evolving backwards?

    • Its seems you began by jumping way to the 14th century and skipped over the Aryan invasion/migration epoch. I am just asking,do you look at yourself as a foreigner in India or were you just being a little dramatic? I mean you South Asians are pretty well jumbled. The ancient invader and the original creator are thoroughly mixed in all of you

      • Varun

        If you know a little bit of Indian history, well, not exactly history, but rather a sort of theory, then you would know that 14th century is the time when all new invaders and migrants had settled in India. It was unnecessary to mention them all as they didn’t leave any great impact on India as much as Aryans (and British) did. We speak two sets of major Aryan (Indo-European) languages, English and Sanskrit-derived. We also follow two major cultures, Sanskritic and Anglo. There are many more small languages and cultures, but they would take me a life time to talk about.

        Now to answer your question. We look at both. We are both the invaders and the natives. We are invaders patrilineally, and in every sense of snobbish high cultures (Anglo and Sanskritic). But we also had native mothers and have many local traits only found within subcontinent. It is these local traits that Robert often criticizes, but these traits are so lost in us that we don’t know what’s what. It is like selective amnesia from the classic movie Memento. You wake up and remember only a few random things with little chronology and coherence.

        • TRASH

          Aryans came from the Ukraine to India 3,500 years ago. That’s a long time ago. Nobody even knows specifically where the Aryans are from.

          Goa is probably the most mixed place in India.

          Punjabi people might never have been Dravidian in the first place.

        • interesting. i had to ask because i never heard a South Asain regard himself as an invader. i can definitely understand a person identifying with the conquer in the family. In America there are a group of people called Melugeons
          & for the most part they identify with the conquers blood they have too. I think youll find their phenotype interesting.
          Im reading about the Vedas & their historical content & it seems just like the Judeo-Christian bible its spiritual symbolism & history are intertwined. Krsna defeats Indra cosmicly but it seems Indras followers eventually won the land & water

        • GulliverFredrich

          The Aryans did not migrate from Ukraine that is a lie, they migrated from Siberia which is the actual original proto-indo-european homeland as recent genetic and archeological evidence has come to surface, to indicate. The Aryans were basically the huns and Mongols of the BC period, they were just one contingent of a vast nomadic array of Indo-European tribes that occupied the steppes.

          They never created a single civilization of their own, they were illiterate and barbaric and brutish, they did not practice formal farming, they did not build standing towns or cities, they were basically nomads like the Mongols, never had any sophisticated engineering or architecture, did not even create their own basic reading or writing script or alphabet. But they were absorbed and they assimilated into the Indian population, and they were not responsible for the caste systems, because all societies and civilizations in ancient times had caste systems of various types.

          The Indo-europeans were actually just south asians who migrated to Siberia and created a homeland there, during OOA. But they returned and migrated back, and they spread in all directions and called themselves different names from the Zhou (china), to the Parthians and Aryans (Iran), to the Ionian and Aaecheans and Dorians (Greece) etc etc. They did not really have a culture and civilization of their own, and simply assimilated and adopted whatever they came across.

          The whole Aryan-Dravidian thing is a big scam and a lie, there were many migrations from the eurasian steppes into Southern Asia from the Aryans to the Scythians, to the Kushans, to the Parthians, to the Turks to the White Huns; whenever these barbarian peoples took over and managed to take control over a civilization they assimilated into a upper and middle classes of the societies they took over. Thus it seems as though the caste thing is racial based in some parts of India when it’s actually not. It’s just that the upper and middle classes of parts of India/Pakistan etc received recent admixture and geneflow from the Siberian/Eurasian steppes via barbarian movements and conquests…..

        • Varun


          The reason South Asians don’t regards themselves invaders are for two reasons.

          Muslims are clearly recent invaders, at least some tribes. But if they openly regards themselves invaders as such, they may get chopped up and become someone’s curry. So they keep silence.

          Non-Muslims are heavily mixed with natives or some ancient tribes, so they won’t know who is insider and who is invader. But small differences among us point to an outside origin.

          Third reason is ignorance. We don’t encourage history or religious studies. So people are ignorant about their histories except few bits and pieces of mythological stories. However, this proves that we were outsiders. If we were not, then why don’t we analyse our history? Because we are scared that the country will fall apart as many of us are invaders, with Muslims being the biggest culprits of all.

        • Varun


          Your Siberian hypothesis is possible, but not very likely. Why? What connection do we have between Mongols and Sanskrit? Mongol languages are Nostratic as far as I know. Aryans (Proto-Sanskrit) is Indo-Europeans (IE). This means Aryans had been already diversified from Mongols long ago, only retaining some Proto-Mongloid features. Just because you have little bit of Proto-Mongloid feature doesn’t mean you are a Mongol. Mongols are at best second class Aryans. Then, what you call barbarian languages today have all the advance knowledge the man has ever created. Just two languages, English and Proto-Sanskrit cover half of brilliant minds the world has ever produced in last 10,000 years. So the English are barbarians? Yet, you have to write a comment in their language?

          Just because I speak English doesn’t make me English. But then again, who is English after all? Just a language propagated by certain people who acculturated more people and these people acculturated even more people. Now they all speak it. Same story with Sanskrit as well. Few brilliant minds acculturated more brilliant minds from everywhere. That is it. This phenomenon drives all cultural, racial, and linguistic SHIFTS.

  74. TRASH

    You say “tomato” I say “tomato”. Aryans are Slavs from somewhere in Russia or Eastern Europe.

    Huns migrated 1,000 years after the Aryans. Scythian warriors who became Jat Sikhs also immigrated long after Aryans formed the caste system.

    Black Dravidian people probably never lived in the Indus Valley. That’s too far North for tropical people.

    • Varun


      There are three issues that need to be separated: race, culture, language.

      Now when I say Aryan, I mean either Aryan high culture or language (Proto-Sanskrit), never a race, in Indian context.

      Now Huns were also mongrels. Some of them were Asiatics, while others had green-eyes and lighter hair. Indians epics, such as Mahabharata, mentions Huna tribes living in Western China, where there were also Buddhist kingdoms.

      Slavic population also lived in Western China, as they found some mongrelized skulls. We also have Wusun/Yuzhi/Kushan tribes who settled (who could also be my ancestors) in Punjab/Rajasthan/Gujarat from 3rd century BC to 3rd century AD. They could be Slavic mongrels too. Then we have Tokharian language, one of the lost IE branch, found in Western China. So some of my ancestors could well Tokharian with some Asian admixture.

      Now culturally and linguistically, all these polulations are Indo-Aryan today because they all speak Indo-Aryan languages, and follow Indo-Aryan culture more or less.

      So majority of non-Muslim hordes in India must have been IE peoples, else you would see more language families in India. For example, Hindi soon became Urdu, due to Arabic influence. Hindi also emerged as Hindustani, which was due to Persian influence. Today, we have three forms of the same language. Standard Pure Hindi from Sanskrit. Turko-Arabic-Persian influenced Hindi is Urdu. And if you exclude all Turko-Arabic and only retain Persian influence, then you have Hindustani. Note all have grammar derived from Sanskrit. All are still Indo-Aryans, but imprints of invaders exist clearly in our languages.

  75. Gujarat is named after Georgia, Russia. Most likely you trace your ancestors there.

    Gujarat is really near to the Arab Gulf and there has been so much back and forth trade between them that a great deal of Gulf Arab influence is felt in Gujarat and vice versa. Many Gulf Arabs trace their roots to Gujarat Muslims.

    Parsi people landed in Gujarat so we can assume that other Iranians showed up there to.

    • Varun

      And who told you that all Gujaratis are homogeneous? Some of my ancestors were Buddhist. Was Georgia Buddhist? Large number of Gujaratis also come from Hindi-heartland. Other have Dravidian roots. What linguistic similarities do Gujarati and Georgian languages have? Nothing except a few ambiguous terms, like Gurjar. Sure, some Georgian tribes must have been in India or Gujarat. But thanks to our caste system, we know that some people came early and others late, so they were not all the same 1000-2000 years ago. Even some Maratha had Gujjar admixture. But natives of Maharashtra (Marathi people) were Dalit tribes, the most prominent being Mahar tribe, from which the name of Mahar-rashtra comes. Of course, Mahars are minority today, much like how Gujjar are in Gujarat.

      • Varun

        Yes. I admit Iranian connection, but there are also other connections. Note that I mainly focus on language before anything else. So Iranians had Georgian Province, so these Iranian speaking tribes could have landed in Gujarat, surely, after Parsis. Linguistically, Gujarat is Indo-Aryan with previous Dravidian influence, and some Persian as well. But it is very close to Hindi, a sister language.

      • Shvili

        Actually yes, there has been Buddhist influence in Georgia.

        Kalkmykia is a region in the Caucasus (Russian side) where Buddhism is the predominant religion.

    • Sagar Thakkar from Gujarat

      No, not true. Like that you can make a connection out of anything. At the time of our Gujjar ancestors, Georgia did not even exist. The name Georgia comes from Persian/Arabic, the name Gujarat comes from Sanskrit.

  76. Gujjars showed up from Georgia in Gujarat long before the 7th century when Parsi sailed from Iran.

    • Varun

      Huna invasions started around 4-6th century, it was followed or matched by Gujjars probably. But well before that, we have Wusan/Kushans who also came to India via Iran-Afghanistan around 2 century BC. Wusan/Kushans are more likely to be IE. Gujjars are lower castes mostly. They may look like Sikh. Kushans/Wusan probably mixed with Brahmins later.

  77. Sagar Thakkar from Gujarat

    यहां कहता हैं की हम उनके यूरोपीय जाती के ही हैं। लेकिन ये ऐसे लेख भी लिखता हैं:

  78. Pushpendra Singh Rathore

    We are a mixed race. Like Blended whiskey, colourful and most peaceful in the world.

  79. jhumi77

    I am from North Eastern India and still according to my DNA Ancestry test, I have Caucasians ancestry in me. It is not that all North Eastern Indians are like that.

  80. Abhinav

    Indians are highly mixed people of different races in ancient world but have some how adopted the indian climate and environment to survive and that has some genetic variations of its own kind and being more distinct in future after some more thousads of year.

    • Shvili

      And other peoples are not highly mixed? Other cultures haven’t adapted to their new climates.

      There is no such thing as a homogeneous people.

      Even /definitions/ of what constitute a “peoplean ” change within a century or two. The “Near East” used to mean Turkey, Bosnia, Dalmatia (Croatia), Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria, and the rest of the Balkans; now it refers to the Levant, mostly.

      About 100 years ago, the lay definitions of “white” or “Caucasian” meant Northern European (in the U.S.), to the exclusion of Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans; now it includes them all, plus Hispanics and Middle Eastern peoples. Who knows? In 100 years, Kumar Patel might be totally Americanized and seen as any other white guy.

  81. Shvili

    My husband is Gujarati. He took a DNA test through 23andMe. His paternal, Y-DNA haplogroup is R1a, which is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup in Russia and Eastern Europe. His male ancestors are therefore also the ancestors of Russians and other Slavic peoples.

    In linguistics, Gujarati and Hindi are members of the Indo-European language family, meaning they share a linguistic ancestor with most European languages, including English, French, German, Greek, Russian, and others.

    The Indo-European language family can be divided into two large factions: (1) the centum (i.e., “Western”) group, including Germanic-, Romance-, Celtic-, and Hellenic languages; and (2) the satem (i.e., “Eastern”) group, including Slavic-, Baltic-, Albanian-, Iranic-, and Indic languages.

    There is some evidence that many gods of European mythology (Greek, Roman, Celtic, Norse, Slavic) and ancient Hinduism (Vedic, RIgvedic) have common proto-Indo-European names. The king of the gods, per ancient Greek mythology, was known, as we are all familiar, as Zeus (or Zeu Pater). The leader of the gods in Roman mythology was known as Jupiter (or Dis Pater). In Vedic culture, it was Dyaus Pita. See this page for more examples:

    The godly battle with “the serpent” is featured in many Indo-European mythologies, from Celtic traditions, to Greek mythology, to modern Hinduism.

    Indians are “Caucasian” in the historical context, based on genetic-, linguistic-, and religious evidence.

    • caucasian my ass cleaners

      its beyond nonsense.lady we are indians not caucasians.these caucasians were criminals of the past.step out of these propagandas.anything which divides indian society shows the cleverness of fraud british peoples.they fooled us for years and even now ,by publicizing these false knowledge of aryan invasion blah blah,all that non-sense to break our unity and to make us racists (i see racism as a disease which kills creativity) and to divide us into north south etc.

      • caucasian my ass cleaners

        its very humorous to realize that some of my own indians are trying to be caucasian.these white skin stupids themselves applauds that they are beautiful but i never found any white women as beautiful and sexy as our desis.even i found african women to be beautiful and sexy but white women does not attract me at all. believe me its leave these nonsense and laugh at these.
        the muslims burned our learning institutions and the britishers taught us false information in their universities to divide us to the extent of killing each other so that they can control us and use our resources for their own benefits.even they exploited us as slaves in british era.i also fell prey to these nonsenses but now i know the true fact. believe me friends come out of these non-sense.

      • The Hindu-Malayalam line existed long before Britain or Portugal set foot on Indian soil.

    • Gujji is the Hindi word for Georgia, in Russian. This is where the Gujji tribe trace their roots.

      However, there would be Arab and Iranian in them because they are very near the Arab peninsula.

      • Don Henry

        In that case Gujji will be Semitic now since Arabs are SEMITIC people and not Aryans. I thought you North Indians are so called Aryans? Now North Indians for example Gujjis have changed their minds and decided to be Semitic instead? Duhhhhh…..

  82. John Muhleisen

    I always thought East Indians were Mongoloid, but it turns out they are Caucasoid, because of their genetics and because their facial features are similar to that of Caucasoids.

    • Not really, they are predominatantly caucasoid but they are still racially mixed.. Indians on average are a 70-75%caucasoid-25-30% australoid mix.

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    • Anushka Sheity

      Wrong! Indians are MONGOLOIDS! Caucasians have large bone frame, Mongoloids have small frame.

  83. This depends upon the proximity to China.

    Gujarat is interesting because a tribe from Georgia Russia migrated there thousands of years ago and lent the peninsula its name. Here they intermarried with local Indians and later Arabs.

    How or why Georgians chose to migrate to the barren desert of Western Indian or Aryans from the Black Sea is odd.

  84. nayaj pun

    Wiping after a crap is so dirty. One just smears the shit all over the bums. Washing is the best. Do the Chinese wipe when they bathe/shower? The washers of this world have left their Freuds anal stage. The wipers, (chinks love their sticky bon bons), still have psychosis and neurosis because they are still stuck in anal stage.

  85. nayaj pun

    indians crap everywhere. Chinks eat everything. so which is the lesser race? Chinese of course

  86. nayaj pun

    indians wisely know that toilets are germ traps. Chinese talk big about their toilet. But have you seen their toilets? They are so bad, you would vomit when you go in. Their paper after wiping they dont throw into the toilet. they dispose in bucket. is a wonder they come down with SARS? google it

  87. nayaj pun

    And now the chinese want thrones. why because these low nosed twits want to feel white. lol

  88. nayaj pun

    and why do the chinks feel so offended when their low noses are referred to?

  89. Yes, Indians are Caucasians and some people Asians in the northeast. North Indian including Punjabi have Asian genes.

  90. Chan Rao

    Interesting conversation. I remember Spencer Wells work showing through genetic markers on the y chromosome of isolated populations that some “Indians” are direct descendants of some of the early migrants out of africa, and are closely related to the aboriginal population of Australia. They certainly look extremely similar.

  91. Barbara Domino

    Is hair strand used for identification of ancestry … Caucasian Negroid or Mongoloid classification??

  92. Kalpesh

    There is a debate going on in India regarding the original population of the India. Like the natives… And the Sudras or the Dalits or the untouchables consider themselves the native people of India. Can you elaborate on this issue…

  93. Anushka Sheity

    Wrong! Indians are MONGOLOIDS! Caucasians have large bone frame, Mongoloids have small frame.

  94. no talk about genetics of indian population is complete without considering the invasion by aryan population in to indian mainland around 4000 years ago.
    aryan invasion is a fact well supported by archaeology, genetics and linguistics.
    as a clear as it can be, the main language of aryan hindus, the sanskrit is much closer to the russian language than any dravidian language.
    in fact, linguists believe sanskrit and russian shared a common ancestral language a few thousand years ago.

  95. Driana lochan

    People from India with straight hair, slender facial features, tender skin texture, Caucasian like skull ARE of the Caucasian race…. If ur skeleton were found , ur bone structure would place u in the CaucAsian race. As, ONLY the skin color of Indians varys from very fair to dark brown. All other features r of the Caucasian race!! These r the facts! No need to argue, the facts! U were born in a certain race category, & this cannot be changed , just because you may not be happy with the race u were born into! Sorry!

  96. Driana lochan

    I did ! & sent it! What happened to it???

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