Bigfoot News January 25, 2012

Apparent photos of a real Bigfoot examining and then licking a trail cam. First DNA-proven photo of a Bigfoot ever revealed! In the summer of 2009, a Bigfoot apparently approached an Olympic Project trailcam, examined it, and then licked the camera, leaving a large amount of saliva. The OP retrieved the saliva, stored it and sent it in Dr. Melba Ketchum’s DNA project. A source has just informed us that this saliva sample from a Bigfoot licking a camera tested presumptive for Bigfoot by Ketchum.

We then went back to the Olympic Project and searched for photos of a Bigfoot examining a camera. We found this set of photos that we believe represents photos of the Bigfoot that licked the camera and left the Bigfoot-positive DNA on the camera. So the photo below is apparently the first published photo of a Bigfoot that has been proven by DNA. The Matilda the Sleeping Bigfoot photo is from a site where positive Bigfoot DNA evidence was obtained, but we do not know if that evidence was from Matilda or another one of the Bigfoots at the site.

A photo of a Bigfoot looking at a trailcam placed on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state. This is apparently the first photo of a DNA-proven Bigfoot ever released. Photo by the Olympic Project 2009.

The photo above was taken by the Olympic Project. A few Bigfoot footprints had been found in the area before the camera trap was set. Apparently the Bigfoot started licking the camera soon after the photo above was taken. The photo series was taken on July 25, 2009 from 4:23:07 to 4;23:23 AM on the east slope of the Olympic Mountains. The Bigfoot apparently approached and then licked the camera for 16 seconds. The camera was a Reconyx RC60 trailcam.

When the team returned to the site to retrieve the film on August 22, 2009, they found that the camera had been moved about four inches, apparently by the Bigfoot.

In the photo above, the Bigfoot’s right arm is up near the face as if it is scratching its head wondering what the camera is.

An artist's rendering of the photo of the Bigfoot looking into the camera above. Drawing by Chris Gunter.

Revised Ketchum study tally. Earlier we reported that the DNA study had received over 100 samples and 28 of them had tested presumptive for Bigfoots. Now we have new data that over 200 samples were received, and over 100 of those tested presumptive for Bigfoots. Of those, anywhere from 20-28 represent separate Bigfoot individuals. We also heard about a new successful submission from the Olympic Project where a Bigfoot left a large amount of saliva when it licked a trailcam (see above).

Samples submitted: Over 200
Presumptive for Bigfoot: Almost 100
# of Bigfoot individuals represented: 20-28

Details of samples:

5 hair samples from Golden Ears Provincial Park in British Colombia, representing 5 separate creatures, gathered by Erickson Project.

1 toenail from Larry Jenkins in the Grand Canyon area of Arizona.

1 blood sample from JC Johnson in the 4 Corners area of New Mexico (skunk in a drainpipe sample).

1 blood sample from Crittenden, Kentucky, gathered by Erickson Project. Sample was obtained by gluing glass shards on a feeding plate.

1 hair sample from David Paulides’ NABS known as the Ulibarri sample from Hoopa Valley, California.

1 hair sample from Larry Surface in southern Ohio. Surface shot the controversial nighttime Bigfoot video that was pulled from the web recently.

1 hair sample from Joe Black in the Great Smoky Mountains, Eastern Tennessee.

1 slice of Bigfoot flesh from Mount Haskell, California from the adult Bigfoot shot dead by Justin Smeja.

1 large sample of saliva from the Olympic Project obtained via a Bigfoot licking a camera.

1 hair sample from SE Oklahoma collected by TEXLA Cryptozoological Research, whoever they are. Description here.

That is only 14 of nearly 100 successful samples. We have no idea about the rest.

Best samples: Smeja’s Bigfoot steak and JC Johnson’s skunk in a drainpipe blood sample.

Ketchum DNA paper has definitely passed peer review. We can now conclusively state that the Ketchum DNA paper recently passed peer review, possibly by December 31, 2011, and will apparently be published by a journal soon, probably some time in the next nine weeks. We don’t have a date, and we don’t even know the name of the journal. There are a huge number of folks speculating that there is no paper and that no journal will publish it, but that is absolutely not true.

Justin Smeja Bigfoot steak is “90% human.” According to a source, Justin Smeja was informed by the DNA project that the DNA results showed that the Bigfoot steak from the Sierra Kills is 90% human. What exactly that means, I have no idea. We made inquiries around to various folks, including Smeja, and he had no idea what it meant either. Chimpanzees are 94% human or share 94% of their DNA with us.

I think it shows though that Bigfoots are not Homo sapiens sapiens. However, the source said that the previous figure that Bigfoot DNA is 37% of the way from a human to a chimp is incorrect, and the new figure is nearly 90% human, whatever that means.

Other sources told us that testing of the steak revealed that it is “non-human, but in the Homo line.” In other words, it is a non-human hominin.

Adrian Erickson Bigfoot documentary project apparently being worked on in Hollywood. We reported earlier that a junior studio tech had twitted on Twitter that he had to cancel plans for December to go to a studio to work on the Erickson Project. One of our sources found this tweet and contacted the man, asking him, “What is an Erickson Project?” He wrote back asking, “Who R U??” She replied, “A nerd.”

We found the original tweet here:

mrheatleighton Austin Leighton
So got a call for a job interview at 3 today… But told them i couldnt go cuz i gotta go to fuckin Beverly hills for erickson project at 3.
19 Dec

Originally, his description was “studio technician in the film industry,” but after the source inquired about the tweet, he changed it to a more personal description as if he were trying to keep a secret.

Randy Brisson then posted on the Net that what I wrote was a lie and that the EP was not in any Hollywood studio right now. We do not believe that Brisson is telling the truth, and we do not feel that he is a credible person.

The account belongs to: mrheatleighton Austin Leighton @Austin Leighton. We believe that Leighton was telling the truth and that Hollywood has been working on Erickson’s video since December. We also believe that this being done in secret and that the EP is not going to be forthcoming about this studio work at the moment.

There is always a possibility that he could be referring to some other “Erickson Project” that is not the EP that we know of, but that seems dubious. Another source told us that as far as Hollywood is concerned, this is only one “Erickson Project” at the moment, and that when a production worker is tweeting about an Erickson Project, they can only be discussing Adrian Erickson’s Bigfoot video.

What is also interesting is that it seems that Hollywood started working on the EP video on December 19. That was only four days after Ketchum released Erickson from his NDA, allowing him to release his video whenever he wants to. Within a mere four days, it seems that Erickson was down in Hollywood and had a studio working on his movie. This is a man who works fast!

The source told me:

The fact that he was a junior studio tech indicates hard money has been committed. If it had been a director or producer then the activity could have been speculative, but technicians are not engaged unless specific work is ordered.

What is interesting about this is that big money has been committed. From where? Erickson is broke. He’s near bankruptcy, and that very fancy house of his will be going into foreclosure soon. I don’t get it.

Facebook conversation between Smeja and a taxidermist, Chris Sink, clarified. We reported earlier that a cryptic comment left on Smeja’s Facebook page by a taxidermist could have been a reference to the juvenile Bigfoot that Smeja shot being taxidermied. The comment said: “Thanks for the stuff, Justin. That’s one ugly kid!”

It turns out we were at least partly correct. The comment did indeed refer to the young Bigfoot shot in the Sierra Kills. However, there is no evidence that it has been taxidermied, and Sink did not taxidermy it. Instead, Sink was commenting on drawings of the baby Bigfoot drawn by a professional artist who is working with Smeja on a book that he and the Olympic Project are writing about the Sierra Kills. The source said that the rendering of the baby looked “exactly like a chimpanzee except it has huge eyes.”

The source also said that he had seen a similar drawing of the adult Bigfoot shot at the Kills. The adult was said to look almost exactly like Todd (Fraud) Standing’s latest hoaxed video of a Bigfoot head. In fact, Fraud’s head looked so much like the drawing of Smeja’s Bigfoot that the source felt that that Fraud must know what Bigfoots look like, possibly because he has seen one.

This apparently hoaxed photo from Fraud Standing is said to resemble very well the artist's rendition of the adult Bigfoot killed in the Sierra Kills. The artist is working with Justin Smeja as part of a book project.

Fraud Standing is one of the worst hoaxers in the Bigfoot world. He has charged both big money to rich folks for the rights to his fakes and chump change to average Joes for DVD’s of his lies, frauds and fantasies.

Fraud’s fakes are so well done that they have fooled many in the Bigfoot world. It is uncertain whether Fraud has shot one single video of a Bigfoot, all of his videos other than one which remains uncertain are obvious fakes, and his legendary Sylvanic Bigfoot site probably does not even exist. Fraud appears to be a liar and a con artist – basically, a criminal. The Bigfoot world is absolutely swarming with these types – they are literally everywhere.

Details on the trip to the Sierra Kills to find the bodies in July 2011. Quite a few people were present on this trip, including Dr. Jeff Meldrum and Dr. John Mionczynski, a man who lives in a cabin way off in the woods near Atlantic City, Wyoming and has been interested in Bigfoot for some time. Meldrum brought a woman who had a cadaver dog.

A team including Smeja, the Olympic Project, Bobo Fay, Bart Cutino and others was already there and had already been at the site for two days looking for the bodies. Nothing was found. The team had intended to use a small piece of the Bigfoot sample as bait for the dogs, but this plan was scrapped. The piece had been salt-dried, and Meldrum was angry – he felt that the salt-drying could have killed the scent. However, Smeja salt-dried it because he was taking it on a 3-day trip, and he didn’t want it to spoil.

The cadaver dogs were indeed deployed for a short time despite the fact that the handler felt that so many humans were walking around that the scent of humans had overwhelmed the scent of whatever bodies might be out there. However, the dogs found nothing. There are several people who were there that day who confirmed that the dogs were let loose.

Someone (the exact individual is unknown – we have received reports that naming three different people as the videotaper) was videotaping when Meldrum was shown a piece of the Bigfoot sample, and he and Mioczynski examined it for some time.

Meldrum and Mioczynski huddled together for a while discussing the sample and all of the various aspects of it. They ran down a list of things about the sample that they thought were positive for a Bigfoot. The source said that Meldrum and Mioczynski’s conversation included phrases like, “This looks really good. This is what we’ve been looking for.”

All of this, the two PhD’s examining the sample, running down the list of things that were laudatory about the sample, and uttering phrases along the lines above, was reportedly caught on videotape for all posterity. The tape is still available, and we are trying to get ahold of it. If we do, we will show it on the site.

Later, several independent sources informed us that Meldrum decided that the sample was not from a Bigfoot due to what he said is the presence of guard hairs. Instead he felt it was a piece of a coyote.

We do not believe that the Bigfoot steak has underhairs. We believe that Meldrum is incorrect in stating that it does. Instead of guard hairs, what it does have is a sort of an underfur. Underfur is indeed known in primates. For example, Japanese snow monkeys have a sort of an underfur.

I believe that the Bigfoot sample that Meldrum examined is from a Bigfoot, not a coyote.

A source felt that Meldrum was wrong in characterizing the Bigfoot sample as a piece of coyote. Multiple sources told us that Meldrum bailed out on the sample because it did not fit his Bigfoot as Ape theory that he has invested many long years and so much of his own and other people’s money in. The source described the photo he had seen of the Bigfoot steak this way:

Believe me Robert, after looking at tons of coyotes in my life, that flesh doesn’t look anything like a coyote. Not in a million years. Hell, the color isn’t even right. Apparently the bigger piece was light in some areas and dark in others. The pic I have is of the darker area. In the pic I have seen, the hair is far too long for a yote and is kinky – almost like human pubic hairs. The pic in no way resembles a coyote. Meldrum just has sour grapes.

Meldrum disagrees with many aspects of the story above (see his version here). After deep conversation with our sources, we continue to stick by the account above. Our sources do not feel that Meldrum is being entirely truthful about these events, to put it mildly.

A photo or photos of the Bigfoot steak definitely exist. I have spoken to someone who has seen photos of the steak. Apparently a number of people have seen these photos, and they are definitely floating around. We are trying very hard to obtain a photo, but they are very hard to get ahold of. People who have photos won’t give them up.

Ketchum probably keeping horses at Arla Williams’ habituation site in Oklahoma. A source told us that Ketchum keeps some of her many horses at whatever place she goes to nearby to see the Bigfoots. We believe that she is a seeing them at a cabin that Arla has access to in the Honobia region of Oklahoma. Therefore, we think Ketchum keeps some of her horses at Arla’s.

Rumors about a man in Canada who is a hunting guide for big game hunters who want to hunt the biggest game of all – the Bigfoots. Reportedly, there is a man in Canada who will set up Bigfoot hunts for you if you have enough cash. How much cash is required, we have no idea. Native Americans are used in the Bigfoot hunt, at least to track the Bigfoots. The source said that this is common knowledge with elder Bigfoot researchers who say that while it is just a rumor, they all believe that it is true.

Report that Yeti finger tested human dubious. Skeptics had a field day as a purported Yeti finger from a monastery in Tibet was tested for DNA and tested out as human. However, a source told us that when they read through the report, the testers only tested a small part of the MtDNA to come to that conclusion.

If Yetis are like Bigfoots and are hybrids between modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) on the MtDNA side and something different on the nuclear side, then just testing the MtDNA would not be enough. In order to solve the mystery of the Yeti finger once and for all, both full nuclear and MtDNA testing should be done on the finger.

So we see once again a case similar to the Snelgrove Lake sample from Northern Ontario, Canada, where a probable sample of a Bigfoot that stepped on a board with nails in it and left blood on the board was determined to be human only by testing a small segment of its MtDNA.

Has Ketchum tested the Snelgrove Lake sample? There are rumors that Ketchum has run full testing on the Snelgrove Lake sample as part of her DNA study. The results are not known, assuming the testing was done in the first place.

False alert on Dr. Melba Ketchum movie about her DNA paper. A search of the US copyright office found this notice filed by Ketchum about a movie discussing her DNA results. The movie was slated to be released on February 15, 2012.

Link .

Type of Work: Preregistration

Type of Work Preregistered:
Motion Picture
Literary Work in Book Form
Advertising or Marketing Photograph

Preregistration Number / Date:
PRE000003852 / 2010-09-16

Application Title: Sasquatch: The Tribe Revealed

Title: Sasquatch: The Tribe Revealed

Copyright Claimant:
Melba Stinnett Ketchum.

Creation of Work Began:
2008-04-07 (Approximate)

Date of Anticipated Completion:
2011-06-22 (Approximate)

Projected Date of Publication:
2012-02-15 (Approximate)

Authorship on Application:
Melba Stinnett Ketchum.

Application Title: Sasquatch: The Tribe Revealed
Title: Sasquatch: The Tribe Revealed
Copyright Claimant: Melba Stinnett Ketchum. Address: P O Box 455, Timpson, TX, 75975, United States.
Creation of Work Began: 2008-04-07 (Approximate)
Date of Anticipated Completion: 2011-06-22 (Approximate)
Projected Date of Publication: 2012-02-15 (Approximate)
Authorship on Application: Melba Stinnett Ketchum.

Description of Work: A film and/or documentary, narration or audio book, supporting photos and literary paper/document/book that will follow the The Sasquatch Project, the scientist and the scientific testing and proof for the existence of Sasquatch/ Bigfoot.

Information will include discussion of results including A New Tribe of Living Humans, the complete Sasquatch mitochondrial genome sequence and nuclear DNA variations and text will show complete mitochondrial (mt) genome sequences were identified from DNA, analysis of the assembled sequence unequivocally establishes that the Sasquatch mtDNA falls inside the range of modern human mtDNAs and discussions of the origins thereof.

The proof that the Sasquatch is not only the closest living human relative but is actually a contemporary living human. Also discussed is nuclear DNA testing performed on the same samples and the variations found in various genes including MC1R gene RUNX2 and FOXP2 as well as other targets genes involved in the perception of sound, transmission of nerve signals, the production of sperm and the lactase gene.

Also discussed is how testing has ruled out ape cross and any ancient contributor and that Sasquatch is indeed a modern human with some genetic mutations accounting for their physical appearance. Also included are discussion of the history of samples and circumstances surrounding the acquisition, their testing, the circumstances surrounding the entire Sasquatch DNA Project. Documentary stars Melba Ketchum, et al
Type of Work: Text. Registration Number / Date: TXu001766114 / 2011-07-19. Application Title: A New Species of Contemporary Feral Homo sapiens. Title: A New Species of Contemporary Feral Homo sapiens. Description: Electronic file (eService). Copyright Claimant: Melba S. Ketchum, 1955- . Date of Creation: 2011. Authorship on Application: Melba S. Ketchum, 1955- ; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: text, photograph(s), editing, Data Tables. Rights and Permissions: Maureen A. Doherty, Doherty Legal, 10777 Westheimer, Suite 1100, Houston, TX, 77042-3462, United States, Names: Ketchum, Melba S., 1955- ===========================================
=====================================Type of Work: Text. Registration Number/Date: TXu001776703 / 2011-09-12. Application Title: A New Contemporary Feral Species of Hominin. Title: A New Contemporary Feral Species of Hominin. Description: Electronic file (eService). Copyright Claimant: Melba S. Ketchum, 1955-. Date of Creation: 2011. Authorship on Application: Melba S. Ketchum, 1955-; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: text, photograph(s), compilation, editing, Data Tables. Rights and Permissions: Maureen A. Doherty, 10777 Westheimer, Suite 1100, Houston, TX, 77042-3462, Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence. Names: Ketchum, Melba S., 1955- ===========================================

The first application is for a documentary about her DNA project, and the second is for two papers about the project.

This news provoked a flood of speculation on forums about the conclusions, which were that Bigfoots are a tribe of modern humans with some funny DNA. This is going to be a very hard conclusion to swallow for all sorts of reasons. The skeptics were already having a field day ripping it to shreds.

It turns out that this copyright notice was filed a long time ago in 2010 and was based on preliminary and incomplete DNA results which showed the MtDNA to be 100% human and a few nuclear genes to be quite close to the human range. Based on those early results, Ketchum felt that she was dealing with a very strange tribe of humans with unique mutations that result in their strange appearance, capabilities and behavior. It was not an ape, and there was no known ancient ancestor.

This theory has more potholes that I can count. As it turns out, Ketchum’s later findings caused her to revise her views, and now she believes that they are not modern humans at all, but some sort of non-Homo sapiens hominin.

Soon after this news made the blogs, Ketchum posted this retraction and clarification:

To address the recent hype and misstatements concerning my paper, please be advised that the information pulled off the US Copyright website for a 2010 preregistration for a proposed media project is not an accurate summary of our scientific testing and data and does not reflect the current conclusions of our scientific paper.

The contemplated media project was never produced and no update was ever made to the short description on the preregistration statement. Instead of working on proposed media projects, we have been focusing our time and energy on our ongoing scientific testing and data which will be accurately summarized in the final version of our scientific paper.

The final paper presenting our data, analysis and updated conclusions will be published in a peer reviewed scientific journal but we do not have a publication date at this time.

As you can see, Ketchum says that the documentary and papers were based on early results, that those results have since been overturned by new results based on further testing, and that the documentary was never made and the papers were never written up either. So the whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.

Unfortunately, there may be more to this story, and Ketchum and company may be engaging in damage control. A source told us that the Ketchum DNA report will discuss “a wild race of hairy people running around in the woods.” However, this is the same source who said that the Bigfoot steak was “almost 90% human.” Almost 90% human is not human. If you’re almost 90% human, and I am talking to you, I am not talking to a human being as we generally know them.

Please note that Ketchum’s rejoinder she only made reference to the 2010 copyright. She did not comment on the following titles from 2011 for her papers to be published with the documentary:

New Contemporary Feral Species of Hominin.

New Species of Contemporary Feral Homo sapiens.

We believe that this is what Ketchum is driving at. What is being called “a wild race of hairy people running around in the woods” will actually be described by Ketchum as a new “species” altogether of Homo sapiens.

Perhaps new species is not the correct term. Perhaps she meant subspecies? Something like Homo sapiens bigfootis (a new subspecies of Homo sapiens) or Homo bigfootis, a new species more or less in the Sapiens line. So we are going to be looking at either a new Homo sp. or a new Homo sapiens ssp., not just some new tribe of Homo sapiens sapiens that likes to run around in the woods, is covered in hair, stands 8 feet tall and weighs 600 pounds.

Ketchum’s website, the Sasquatch Genome Project. Ketchum’s webpage is the Sasquatch Genome Project (SGP). Other than Ketchum herself, Paulides and his organization, North American Bigfoot Search (NABS), are part of the SGP. The website is blank except for a self-congratulatory page on NABS written by Paulides himself which includes offers to buy Paulides’ books. The reason it is blank is because a web development team is currently working on the page and the current page is being used as a placeholder.

The SGP page is located on the webpage of Janice Carter and Tom Shirley. Janice Carter is famous as the woman whose story was made famous in the book 50 Years with Bigfoot by Mary Green. However, Ketchum’s webmaster informed me that Carter’s page was only used because it had been vacant for some time and was therefore convenient to use. In the meantime, it is being used as a placeholder to while the team works on the webpage behind the scenes. When the page is finished, it will be moved to a new location.


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40 responses to “Bigfoot News January 25, 2012

  1. mitchw

    On guard hairs and Meldrum. I have difficulty believing Meldrum rejected the Steak because it had guardhairs. In his book on Bigfoot, Legend Meets Science, he tells a story about how a prominent scientist initially thought the Pattersen film was a hoax since the figure had hair on her breasts which primates “don’t.” But then a species of monkey with hairy breasts were discovered,and the same scientist changed his mind. So let’s wait and see what Meldrum thinks.

  2. apehuman

    Remarkable reporting. it’s 5:30 am and not enough coffee for this yet! A blog on Shawns site this morning by a contributor makes a case that the Finding Bigfoot show was “punked” by a known attention seeking witness. Is the blog correct? I imagine we will know eventually, but it speaks to two things: the obvious hoaxing (why? I still don’t get it) but also the Scrutiny by BF lovers..or skeptics.
    A small TV cable show….to this study?. The scrutiny will be intense. When it comes out hopefully there will be many of stellar credentials to help tell me what to think….as I have kept most of my BF opinions based on personal experience, and it had limitations.
    On the OP photos: I had seen those and in fact there are many groups and individuals with similar type photos, the differenence here the collection of saliva. Lets hope they filmed the collection of the trail cam, etc.
    Looking at the dates on the CR apps and the view we have had on the sidelines, it is as probable the move away from that effort is due to personal/business relationships as data…but, it doesn’t seem that thiese need to be mutually exclusive from a peerreview’s just, well it foils an Embargo and also I thought Journals owned the copyright for papers they publish? it does speak to a certain sloppiness if “dead,” and not withdrawn..coming out in the Public record at an inopportune time? If not, then we can still expect these?

    again, given the scrutiny at this stage by just “Fans” gives a hint of what I shall have to read by April Fool’s?

    thanks Robert..

    an aside..Shawn ran an interesting video of a young Asian boy with blue eyes, that glow with reflected light at night, and who can see quite well in the dark, and struggles with headaches in daylight. I found that encouragin in that the genes for this ability do reside in us….really can’t wait to get the data and review for myself…..,

  3. apehuman

    Decided to stop by BFF as I am new there and find the continuing arguments on the Ketchum thread sometimes interesting. It appears to have melted down a bit last night (or early am) and the topic is locked?
    Anyway, the arguments there are intense and without actual data…I think they are preparing the site for a server upgrade….for this “release!” Interesting the reprimands to those who speculate in advance anything but roses….personally, I see it as a start, not difinitive..but that’s just me. I have watched excellent peer review work torn apart until the wieght of the evidence lays with the pradigm shift… think of Global Climate Change , the concept started as the “greenhouse effect” in the 70’s and fought with “junk science” scientists and their many “papers” and now finally 30 years later it seems everyone can accept “Climate Change” (over “Global Warming.” )
    but the causes are still debated.

  4. grammy97

    Just this morning I read of an hypothesis about the Neanderthal possibilities. Theory by Wm. Harcourt-Smith, at the American Museum of Natural History. Article by Natalie Wolchover at msnbc. If my attempt to type the link fails, those names might help others find the article.

    And if the genetics of development of physical characteristics interests you, search for Kimura’s adriatic lizards. The lizards in question developed brand new features in their digestive tracts, and it took them less than 20 years of isolation.

  5. buckhunter1969

    The trail camera photos from the Olympic project are indeed interesting to me. I cannot be sure that the pictures are of a BF, but I feel that they are not any animal that I have EVER seen. I first thought, great …. another group of “blobsquatch” photos, but I can see some detail in them bofore looking at the drawings. I think that these photos and the DNA from the saliva will be more supporting evidence when the Ketchum paper is released in a credible scientific journal. I feel that the national media will run with this story as soon as it is released. DNA does not lie and this evidence is not from eyewitnesses. If a movie (or documentary) is actually released from the EP, it too will be supporting evidence. I am new to believing in these creatures and I feel that true PROOF will convert most people across the world into believers. I think that the new evidence will end all debates on the existence of BF. There will be hundreds if not thousands of eyewitnesses that have validation to their sightings and encounters. I am VERY excited for those who have been teased and ridiculed for their claims. Maybe one day I will be able to see one myself!

  6. apehuman

    Yes, I agree, in fact I think most of the push for proof comes from those so maligned…but, I also know many, even myself, who took a differnt path. the resistenace to my evidence was, perhaps not curiously, myown adult sons…and without any education on the subject beyond popular Myth they continued for almost two years to refuse to really study the evidence! It was the most amazing experiment on social behavior in a nuclear family that I can imagine! I won eventually, because as the first summer turned to the third and I am bringing home evidence that used to excite me and now was routine (and frustrating,..why was I doing this? being there, sharing in the wilds yes I got that! But, why insist people believe me?)…
    they began to open, and look. The oldest announced, based on the data, these are just Feral Humans! LOL I resisted then, Homo something I said, yes….he might be right…dang that boy!
    In that time I tried to go to University, Governemnt and BFers….and as I took all those hits, stoically (LOL), I continued to grow..and return to my forest friends. Lots of time to think over 30 trips alone…and read and think….

    And today (I expect to change and grow still..Thank God!) I have this theory..Uncletancred understands:
    I called it Bigfoot Fever…everyone who comes close to a BF gets it…or looks deeply into evidence. But the ones in the field REALLY get it..the fever….like Gold has all the promise of discovery, mystery, personl effort to riches etc..and for those of us more Anthro takes us back tot he beginning of civilization to our wild and wonderful selves (well..romanticized.. I do understand the violence of the food chain..long time farming family)…. but eventually, if one is really deep on the topic, and comes to understand the Life of Bfs a bit mire intimately, the fever goes away wrt to fame/discovery and even informing others….I can’t explain it for me, but my excitment and eagerness to share with others did evaporate eventually…and I had to face my own motivations harshly. Anything that felt or sniffed of that Fever I actively tried to wioe out….and so it is continual.
    I had made my “exit” from telling sometime in 2010…only to find your blog and the Sierra Kill story…and it ignited that passion, a protective feeling this time, and it seems secrecy isn’t up to me as others are more bent on proof…so, that opened for me a reason to join the discussion again….I won’t be guilty of the “outing” and I can work to help us understand the ramifications? Lol well, that’s too big, but I don’t see why my opinio can’t be thrown in! But, somewhere the Fever ended and I feel I am in a bit more disspassionate place..maybe. Wr’ll see..

    For those innocent and frighten by unexpected encounters I hope proof brings a formal reporting and education system to ur Government agencies!

    my wirelss connection is weird this am and the laptop not allowing me to scroll back to sorry, hope it is not too riddled with typos!

  7. buckhunter1969

    I think that there are MANY people like you that have had the “fever” and have either lost it or are tired of ridicule from others to share thier beliefs. If the upcoming evidence PROVES the existence of BF, I feel that the reports of sightings will DRAMATICALLY increase because people will not have fear of this scorn. I believe that there are thousands of sightings and experiences that do not ever get reported because of the fear that they will be labeled “crazy”. I also believe that most scholars will have issue with the DNA evidence because it will question beliefs related about the taught ideas of mankind. I truly believe (if the evidence dictates) that we are on the cusp of a sceintific discovery unlike any we have ever seen. I pray that the evidence actually is what we think it is and the question of the existence of BF is finally put to rest. If the evidence proves that BF’s are so similar to humans, our government agencies will ahve no choice but to protect them.

  8. I enjoyed the comments above. I, for one, can not wait for Bigfoot to be “discovered.” I agree that we should have many more reports of the animal once this happens. Best regards, Linda Newton-Perry of the online bigfoot magazine, Bigfoot Ballyhoo

  9. Nice post Robert ! Thanks for your efforts.

  10. Surveyor

    The word is “hominin” instead of “hominan”. Instead of the genus Homo, I would start by looking under the subfamily “Ponginae”, based on 1) the genetic profiles of blood samples from a freshly wounded BF I am aware of (event happened several years ago, though), and 2) the only great apes besides humans to ever inhabit the continent of Asia, which appears to be the only area to have a proven past route to North America.

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  12. Ed Smith

    A post from the MABRC forum posted two day:

    [quote=”Ed Smith”][b][color=#FF0000]Just to clarify things we (orig-6) do not have samples in ketchum’s study.[/color][/b]

    We have an interest in one of her samples that we tested from the same supplier, because the target matched, which most on the NTO list were aware of for the last 7 or 8 months now. We are just as conserned about the studies stability as others are perhaps more so.[/quote]

    Bolding mine:

    R.Lindsay do you have a reading or comprehension problem In your latest post you again refer to us as having a sample in the Ketchum study we do not have a sample in the ketchum study. Please Lindsay get your facts straight, you like to call your self some kind of journalist then act like it.

  13. Joerg Hensiek

    hi robert,
    100 per cent sure that the Ketchum paper passed peer review?


    • A source told me that it definitely passed peer review. Then they said, “But he probably knew that already, right?” I believe it did, but I don’t have it straight from a good source close to the study itself, no.

  14. Gertrude

    Wow, Robert,
    you have really been burning up the wires. Or more likely, someone has been burning yours. Seems like the Ketchum revelation is causing some panic amongst those folks (I’m lookin’ at you, Olympic Project) who seemingly were told that their specimens (I’m lookin’ at you, Sierra Steak) had tested out as bigfoot. Now it seems that Ketchum’s results are good ole Gertrude-type human. Yipes. Makes somebody’s story sound more like a crime than an advance of modern science.

    I’m guessing the phone lines between the Olympic Project, Justin Smeja, and Timpson TX were hotter than yours.

    We’re all on pins and needles waiting for the next installment.

  15. Caz in BOS

    I had guessed the acceptance letter for the paper came in late Dec, from the incidental rumors, plus the commonality in the language used in the rumors. Very suggestive of a formal letter circulated among many people.

    May I ask how you know what happened during the hunt to recover the kill? It sounds like you have seen the video you describe Smeja shooting. Correct?

  16. Gay State Girl

    Why you so obsessed with Bigfoot?

    • I am not obsessed with Bigfoot. I have risen to the top of the heap of Bigfoot bloggers somehow, so this is important work for me to do for other reasons. I am getting kind of famous for this BF work.

      Plus I do believe they are real, yes.

    • nominay

      Because next to aliens from outer space, this is as big as it gets. Isn’t there a Fox Mulder soft spot in you GSG?

  17. nominay

    If this pans out, it’ll be the biggest development since the advent of agriculture. 🙂

  18. Gay State Girl

    From the Occidental Observer:

    “Don’t let Catholic apologists, most of whom are actually Jews, mislead you.”

    Wow that’s a new one.

  19. Sally Ramey


    In your next column, I would greatly appreciate it if you would provide a clarification about Dr. Ketchum’s Web site. I am writing her Web site content and collaborating with a designer who has worked on other Bigfoot-related sites, including the old Bigfoot Reference Guide. It is common practice to park a new Web site in a hidden location while it is under construction. This is done for a lot of reasons, but it allows access by people who need to review it remotely and it keeps it out of the public realm until it is ready for launch. You can only find it if you know its specific url.

    Because Janice Carter’s Bigfoot Reference Guide site has been inactive for quite some time, the designer felt it was a safe place to park Dr. Ketchum’s site while we worked on it. So we can continue to work on it in private, we are moving it elsewhere.

    I think this clarification is necessary so people do not jump to conclusions that this arrangement means anything significant. It was merely convenient

    Thank you,
    Sally Ramey

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  21. Joerg Hensiek

    “If Yetis are like Bigfoots and are hybrids between modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) on the MtDNA side and something different on the nuclear side, then just testing the MtDNA would not be enough. In order to solve the mystery of the Yeti finger once and for all, both full nuclear and MtDNA testing should be done on the finger.”
    I am not totally sure if I am right, but I think that Ketchum mentioned on a radio show in October 2010 that her study included samples from Bhutan, given to her by TV presenter Josh Gates, and the results for those were very close to those of the North American specimen. I guess therefore, if the study will eventually be published, we will not only have a clue about the identity of bigfoot, but also of the Himalayan yeti.

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  23. Surf Doc

    Two questions (I apologise in advance if they have been asked before):

    1) How did Ketchum get involved in BF DNA testing? Did someone ask her/pay her to do it?

    2) Is there a shortlist of likely journals in which the proof article will appear? If so, then maybe we need to monitor when the editions of these are published. Let’s not forget, the issuing of a future ballpark publication date could quite easily be a smokescreen to deflect attention from the *real* publication date – which might be later, but might indeed be earlier. And who would want to miss the real scoop because they didn’t do their homework …

  24. Ron

    Where is the Ketchum paper?, I believe 9 weeks have passed…

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