Bigfoot News January 2, 2012

Sorry there has not been any news for a while, but my sources have all pretty much dried up. They’re still there, but in general, they are no longer feeding me any more information. Yes, we have sources close to most of the major players in Bigfootery, with multiple sources in the Ketchum, Erickson, etc. camps and other sources in the Olympic Project, NABS, BFRO, etc. People have leaked confidential stuff to us from all of these camps for a long time now. But lately, it’s all drying up.

Melba Ketchum report may be nearing release. On her Facebook page, Ketchum released a statement that implied that publication may not be too far off. It said, “Yes, it will get really exciting before long, LOL!” In her Texas American dialect, using “before long” instead of “soon” means that something is going to happen quite soon indeed.

Ketchum deserves to be supported on this report 100%. She’s going to go down in history as one of the biggest names in this field, for whatever it’s worth.

Max Plank Institute. There is a lot of speculation about the Max Plank Institute and whether or not anyone is trying to get a study done there. Apparently they might be interested in a new hominid. I can confirm that there are some lower level people at the institute who are indeed very interested in the question. Is a Stubstad parallel Bigfoot DNA project going on at the Max Plank Institute? No it is not.

Source for the Nature rumors. There is much speculation about whether or not Ketchum’s paper was at Nature magazine for a while. Matt Moneymaker said it was there, but it was “handed back” for a couple of reasons. One reason was “no testable hypothesis.” Another reason was “no zoologist on the paper.” The not having a zoologist is a major failing, but I doubt Ketchum is going to correct that oversight either.

We were the ones who initially started the rumor that the paper was at Nature magazine. Ketchum then said that the paper was not at Nature. She was correct – it had been at Nature, but Nature handed the paper back. Moneymaker confirmed this later on.

So I suppose you are all wondering who our source was for the Nature rumors? The source was ultimately none other than David Paulides, who is about as closely associated with Dr. Ketchum and her project as anyone could be, if you catch my drift. Paulides apparently hates us and orders people not to link to us, and he has written a few articles attacking irresponsible bloggers (us among others apparently) and what not.

Skeptics keep hammering away that we have no evidence that the paper was ever at Nature in the first place. On the looks of the evidence, it appears that it was very much at Nature at least for a while.

David Paulides, evolution, the Bigfoot-UFO connection and the Massacre at Bluff Creek. Granted, Paulides is a former executive and private investigator, a narcissistic, mercurial and vindictive control freak who has made a ton of enemies in Bigfootery and whose own friends are even afraid of him, a disgraced cop investigated for police brutality and forced into retirement for corruption, but this is all so boring, as you know all of this.

On the other hand, let’s face it. Paulides did get the DNA ball rolling with Ketchum and a few early submissions. He lived with the Hoopa for years while researching his book, Tribal Bigfoot, which is an excellent book by the way. He worked with a world famous police artist to produce groundbreaking drawings of Bigfoot that show how human they really are.

He is a good investigator, and his word on controversial parts of Bigfootery is often a credible and respected word. He doesn’t toss out judgements lightly. Paulides has stated that he thought the Sierra Kills took place, and he was there in top secret helicopter ride that only we reported on many months before others showed up.

As you can see, like Ketchum, Mr. Paulides is a controversial, polarizing and complex character. But he’s getting stuff done in one way or another, so give credit where it’s due.

Unfortunately, Paulides also believes that MK Davis’ completely insane “Massacre at Bluff Creek” theory warrants investigation. That theory states that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin killed a family of Bigfoots at the Patterson film site on that day in 1967. MK Davis’ theory only warrants investigation by a mental health professional. That Paulides lends credence to this silliness is disturbing.

Paulides also, for whatever reason, does not believe in Evolution. Apparently he is a fundamentalist Christian then, though he doesn’t seem the type. This is sorry, as he is a major Bigfoot researchers, and science is continually highlighted in his investigation, yet in an important sense, he is very unscientific.

Paulides also believes in the Bigfoot-UFO connection, and has written an article in a UFO mag saying that it worthy of investigation. This caused so much upset in NABS that some longterm members left the group in anger.

Ketchum paper at a new journal. Yes, it is at a new journal, and it looks as if it may be published soon. We do not know the name of the journal, but we may be able to give you a guess soon.

Skeptics and Henry Gee, Nature editor. Gee wrote an article a while back after the discovery of Flores Man suggesting that relict hominids may well exist on the planet. Now that Ketchum’s paper has been handed back, skeptics suggest that the paper must be terminally flawed in some terrible way. The main hypothesis is that the paper shows “human DNA.”

The paper does not show human DNA. How many times do we have to tell you this? The NuDNA is, in terms of polymorphisms, about 1/3 of the way from a human to a chimp. This does not mean that a Bigfoot has chimp genes anymore than a human has chimp genes or a chimp has human genes.

Let us say that chimps share 94% of their genes with man. Then Bigfoot shares 98% of its genes with man. 1/3 of the way from a human to a chimp. Get it? It’s sad that so many people misunderstand this. An animal that shares only 98% of its genes with man cannot possibly be human in the way human is defined on this Earth.

The skeptics also said that Gee would have to be a complete idiot who made the mistake of his lifetime to have turned back a good Ketchum paper with the conclusion of the century. Well then, that must be correct. Gee apparently is a complete idiot, and he just did make the mistake of his lifetime. He’s only human; why is that so hard to figure out?

The Snellgrove Lake blood sample. The skeptics are going nuts about this finding. First of all, only MtDNA was tested, and Bigfoot MtDNA is human. Further, only ~300 markers were tested. No unusual markers were found. The cabin is indeed fly in only, with frankly no access period by any other way. It’s about 40 miles from the nearest human settlement, 40 miles of the roughest swamp, bog and forest land you can imagine. No way did a person step on that nail.

Further, mixed in with blood on the nails was hair. So this person had hair on the bottom of his feet? No way. In addition, 17 inch footprints were found nearby, with the classic Bigfoot signature. A barefoot human with 17 inch prints? No. The third point is that many guests had written in the guestbook about Bigfoots bothering them while at the cabin. So an Indian stepped on those nails? Uh uh.

Are Bigfoots part-Erectus? They may well be part Erectus. The final result may look something like Heidelbergensis, which was late Erectus transitional to archaic or early Sapiens. Heidelbergensis was huge, often over 7 feet tall, and he had an occipital crest on his heads. They date to 11,000 YBP in China.

Flores Man and Erectus DNA. It is dubious that we will get good DNA from either any time soon. Erectus may have gone out way too long ago, and no DNA was extractable from Floresiensis samples. It is dubious that we will find more Floresiensis samples anytime soon. Keep in mind that there is no way to get DNA out of remains older than 47,000 years with present technology.

Ketchum in Tribal Bigfoot. Paulides has written an excellent book in Tribal Bigfoot. Towards the end, he prints two letters from labs that were sent possible Bigfoot samples by Paulides from the Hoopa area.

One letter from the lab is on page 253 for a sample provided from Gasquet, California dated Dec. 19th 2008. The sample was determined from morphology exam to be from an unknown primate with no DNA result at that point. It was suspected there was inhibitors that were interfering with amplification that sometimes occurs with feline hairs. The lab said that further testing was warranted and that they were developing “novel extraction protocols and kits” to get a pure DNA result.

Another letter is on page 372 & 373 from the Hoopa Valley “Ullibarri” sample. and dated Mar. 21, 2009. They had sequenced nuDNA and were
analyzing X/Y chromosome markers. (Amelogenin Locus). The result indicated was not normal for humans.

The Ullibarri sample is said to have made it into the study as presumptive for Bigfoot. Paulides also had another sample, a very large bone from a streambed in Oregon. I know nothing of the Gasket sample.

Ketchum did indeed have a lot of trouble getting primers to use to extract Bigfoot DNA with as implied above, and eventually they had to make a lot of their own primers. The human primers would not work properly on Bigfoot DNA. That’s because the DNA in Ketchum’s study is really human, right skeptics? It’s so human that human primers don’t even work on it.

The mysterious labs mentioned above by Paulides appear to be nothing other than Ketchum’s lab itself.

Josh Gates Yeti sample. This was tested by Ketchum in 2008, and the result was “non-human primate.” This is supposedly the result that got Ketchum interested in doing the DNA study.  Josh Gates has also casted what looks to be a genuine Yeti footprint from the Himalayas.

Justin Smeja on the radio for the first time. In what must be one the most amazing initial radio appearances of the new century, Smeja, the man who shot and killed two Bigfoots in California’s Sierras in October 2010, appeared on the radio for the first time.

The show was hosted by three different stations all at once: Crpyto 4 Corners Radio, with G-Streaming network hosted by JC Johnson; MNBRT Radio of BlogTalk Radio hosted by Abe Del Rio; and Squatch-D TV by the Paranormal TV Network.

Smeja’s driver, a neighbor whose name remains unknown, also appeared on the show towards the end of the video.

There was nothing much new in the report, but it’s interesting to see Smeja go on the radio for the first time, and it was nice to hear the driver’s voice. Both did reveal that they are willing to take a polygraph.

Kudos in particular to the great Chris Noel, one of the most standup guys in all Bigfootery, for making the show into a Youtube video in less than a day. They don’t make them much better than Noel.

The report continues in audio only for another 1.5 hours, but I have not listened to that part of it yet. One interesting thing that was discussed later on was that the California Department of Fish and Game made a trip to visit Smeja as part of an investigation. We reported a long time ago the CA DFG was investigating the incident, but we were ridiculed for reporting that. We were ultimately proven right once again.

This show will go down in history. The show is here:

Transcript of the Justin Smeja radio show. Via the awesome Chris Noel, we have a transcript of most of the Smeja interview. This version underwent a considerable style edit by us, but nothing of any substance in terms of meaning was changed.

Justin Smeja: It was October 8th of 2010, and we’re going bear hunting up by Golden Lake. It was just another day. We’d hunted most of the day – unproductive. We found one small buck, and we said,  “It’s a young deer, let’s let this one grow up,” so we passed on that deer.

Then we ended up going into another area, and we’re coming around the corner. It’s probably 5 o’clock. We came around this corner…well, it’s not really a corner – it’s kind of like an open field, but it’s a blind corner because you can’t see past these trees. So it opens up into a field. We both look, and we see this thing at the same exact time.

The truck stops. I pointed my rifle at it, and I could see it through the scope. I had my scope on 16 power. I could see it pretty clearly. Everybody asks me, “Well what was going through your head? Did you think it was a bear?” I thought a lot of things. It wasn’t that I was a skeptic. It was more that I didn’t know that anybody believed in Bigfoot at all.

We saw this creature. It was walking on two legs, hairy. The best way I can describe it is it looked like a person in a suit. Probably 3 or 4 seconds had gone by, and it started to walk towards us, between 80 and 100 yards away…It had its arms in the air and was waving them, almost like, “Don’t shoot, don’t shoot!” Kind of a universal thing in any language. Anybody raises his hands – sign of surrender.

I didn’t know what it was. To me it was just a monster. I’m looking at this monster. By this time I have the bullet in the chamber, my finger on the trigger, and it’s coming towards us, slowly. It’s taking steps, waving.

A lot of people are saying I shot it in the back, but if you have a deer, and you shoot it behind the shoulder, then you’re going to penetrate both lungs. On a person it’s a hard area to describe, but it’s basically right under the shoulder where the lungs are located.

So maybe 5 seconds had passed, and my buddy says, “Don’t shoot, don’t shoot! It’s not a bear. Do not shoot.” And I’m still kind of locked in on this thing. To me it was a monster, that’s all it was.

You know the gun’s getting ready to go off. We’ve hunted together a lot over the years, and we both knew what was going to happen. Normally when we see something, the truck stops, both of us get out, and we’ve got our rifles on it immediately.

Well, my buddy was still using his binoculars because he didn’t know what to think. I didn’t know what to think. I’m looking at this thing, and I’m pretty close to pulling the trigger. I’ve just been squeezing this whole time. And he’s getting louder and louder. He’s like, “Hey bro, don’t shoot! Don’t shoot! That is not a bear! That’s a person in a suit! That’s a person in a suit! Don’t shoot!”

And I’m thinking, “Well, if that’s a person in a suit, then we’ve got a real problem here, ‘cause they’re walking around during bear season with a fur suit on.”

Something doesn’t add up about this. I’m halfway thinking in the back of my mind that somebody’s going to pull around the corner and it’s going to be like a film crew or something like that. I don’t know. My mind’s going a hundred miles an hour.

But I see this animal – this furry thing – and we’re here to hunt. We’re here to kill animals, and it was just a monster. So I pull the trigger, and you could see dust shoot off the side of it, like it obviously made a really good hit, definitely got it in the lungs. And it took off running.

Just then we see two…I guess you’d call ‘em kids or cubs or something, I don’t know. The big one’s almost out of sight, and these two come right out, and my buddy’s like “Holy fuck , really? There’s more of them!”

So we drive the truck into the field as far as we can, maybe 30 yards. Then we take off running. We heard the thing crash though. It crashed; it sounded like a car wreck. We knew we made a good hit. It’s very normal to shoot a deer and have it run 50, 60, 70 yards and expire. So we run up there, and my buddy doesn’t even grab his gun.

I mean we’re just running, trying to run over to this thing, and the cubs are just out of sight. And we run over there, and now we’re face to face with these kids – probably 10 yards away or so, and we can’t find the big one. So I decide I’m going to going to shoot one of the kids, and my buddy’s like, “No, do not shoot! Do not shoot!”

“Okay, okay, alright. We’ll find the big one, we’ll get it and we’ll leave.”

So we end up looking for 15 minutes or so.

Meanwhile the kids…they’re looking for the parent obviously. They are walking around looking for their parent. We knew we were looking in the right area then…I’ve made the mistake of shooting a sow, and then the piglets come running out, and they always know right where their mom is. They take you to the body. So we knew that it was right there; we just couldn’t find it. It’s an extremely brushy area. I mean, we could have looked for 2 weeks and not found it.

So there’s blood on the ground. We’re kind of looking at the blood.  We’re walking around. We split up probably 10 or 15 times. He’d go one way, and I’d go the other way. And the kids would do the same thing. They’d walk into the center of the open field, and they’d say something to each other. It sounded like deaf chatter. They’d say, “Wawwa Wo!” They’d say something to each other, then they’d split up.

Then about a minute later they’d come back, almost like they were saying something like this to each other: “You see anything? No, okay. Did you look by that tree? Did you look by the stump? Yeah I looked by the stump. Did you look by the tree? I’ll look by the other tree.”

They didn’t care that we were there. They were not alarmed at all. They were just there. And so, maybe 15 minutes goes by or so, and I keep deciding that I’m going to shoot one of the little ones. I say, “We’ll shoot one of these, throw it in the back, and we’ll figure it out.”

And my buddy’s like, “No, no that’s terrible. Don’t do that. There’s no reason for that. There’s absolutely no reason to do this.”

So at the time everything’s running through my head, I’m thinking if we don’t get one of the little ones, nobody’s ever going to believe us. It’s just going to be a crazy story. We just need to find the big one, and we need to get out of here.

So eventually me and my buddy are split up, and I’m down this hill, and the little one is almost straight uphill maybe 15 yards away, maybe 20. It’s is starting to approach me.

It’s getting closer…it’s getting closer, starting to make some noise, like the deaf chatter thing…it’s getting closer, and I was thinking, “I don’t know what’s going to happen here, but he’s going to get too close. It’s way too close for comfort. Screw it, I’m going to shoot.”

So I shoot it directly in the neck ‘cause I didn’t want to mess up the skull or the face. And it rolled down the hill and actually…it hit my feet and started bleeding on my boots. It’s still alive. So I pick it up, and I’m sitting there looking at it, and I’m starting to feel bad. I’m starting to realize, “What have I done, what have I done?” And…that went on for a couple minutes. There was a lot of stuff that happened then, but to summarize and make a long story short, it died.

And then my buddy walks up and he’s like, “What have you done? Seriously, really?” And I’m like “Fine, forget this,” so I throw it on the ground, and I start walking back to the truck. Then I look back, and my buddy’s holding it, just holding it, sitting there staring at it.

So…I walk back to him like, “Dude, we gotta get out of here. Somebody just heard a shot. You know that somebody’s going to show up –  Fish and Game. We’re going to get in so much trouble. We’re going to go to jail. We need to get out of here. This is crazy. Let’s go.”

He says, “Okay, okay, let’s hide this, and we’ll come back for it later. We’ll come back.”

So we take it into the bush, get it as deep as we can, throw a bunch of stuff on top of it, and then we leave, not saying a word. We actually drove out of there probably 60 miles an hour on that dirt road. It doesn’t make sense, but we were afraid we were going to get caught or get in trouble, something like that.

We drive down to Sierraville, and we stop there. Both of us quit smoking in like the last 6 months. Gross habit. But we both walk in, get a pack of cigarettes without saying a word, and we drive all the way home without saying a word. We both smoked the whole pack. Then he dropped me off.

A couple days later I get on I’ve got a few friends on there, and I’m trying to think if there’s some way I can talk about what happened, so I make a post titled, If You Saw Bigfoot, Would You Shoot It?

That’s all I said, and everybody’s going back and forth. Taxidermists are outdoor people. They’ve got a fascination with wildlife. They’ve hunted all their lives. There’s a bunch of guys on there who were like, “Oh no, I seen one, I seen one, I know they’re real.” And it turned into this really long topic, so maybe 20 pages goes by. And I get on there, and I say, “I’ll tell you what. You can call it bullshit if you want. I don’t care. But I shot something that walked on two legs.”

[Word soon reaches Derek Randles, long-time Pacific Northwest Sasquatch researcher and co-founder of The Olympic Project. He got in touch with Smeja.]

I end up telling Derek the whole thing, and he says, “All right, I need you to get back up there, and I need you to get either the body of the little one or the big one. We’ve got to get this done.”

And I’m like, “I don’t think so, man. I don’t think I’m going to go back there.”

And he’s like, “You don’t understand. We’ve worked so hard for this. We need your help. We need to get up there. I’m going to drive down there. How ‘bout I’ll drive to your house? I’ll drive you up there.”

“What, you’re going to drive 12 hours?”

And he’s like, “Yeah, this is really important. 27 years of research, and this is as big as it gets. This is the holy grail.”

So eventually I end up saying, “All right, fine, I’ll drive up there, and I’ll get it, then you can drive down and pick up the body.”

So I put it off, maybe a week or so. I’m busy with work. I didn’t really get what had happened, and Derek’s calling me up every day saying, “Seriously, you’ve got to get up there. You’ve got to get up there. Just call in to work. This is so important. There could be money involved. But more than that, we’ve been looking for this thing for so long, and now there’s one sitting there.”

So I talk to my buddy, and we’re like, “Well, let’s go get this thing.” So we get a bunch of trash bags – black contractor bags. We get up there, and there’s freakin’ 3 feet of snow on the ground. So…we couldn’t find it. I had my bloodhound with me. She’s usually pretty good at tracking. She’s a hunting dog. So I take her out there, and she’s acting like she just shit the bed or something. She’s acting so embarrassed. She’s acting very timid. She’s very bothered by the whole thing.

So eventually we decided to gauge where we would dig, ‘cause we’d been digging for 5 or 6 hours…we figured out there were 2 or 3 areas the dog really didn’t like. She’d walk in a straight line, then all of a sudden she’d turn around and walk the other way. So we based where we dug off of the dog.

We find this flesh sample. It looks like a piece of hide. Some people say there’s just no way that something like that would be there that long without the animals getting to it. I say that’s ridiculous, ‘cause if I shoot a deer, take it to my house, shear it, take it back to the woods, drop it off, and a month later I’ll go back up there and you’ll still see…bones, pieces of hair, hide, blood, all that stuff.

So we find it, and end up sending a small portion of it – I don’t know, maybe an eighth of it – to Melba Ketchum. And here we are today.

If you were to weigh it, the whole sample, it might be 2 pounds, but that’s really pushing it. We ended up taking the rest of the sample, wrapping it in paper, and freezing it in a block of ice. It’ll be exactly the same 20 years from now. No air can get to it; there’s no chance of freezer burn.

We’ve probably been back up there 20 times, maybe more. We went with a group of researchers, and we looked and looked and looked, and we couldn’t find anything. I’ve heard about the theory that maybe they bury their young or something. I don’t know. I don’t know what to think. On one of my trips, we found some tracks of a larger one that had a younger one with it. I have pictures of those tracks.

The one question everybody asks me. They corner me and ask, “Why didn’t you put the little one in your truck?”

[Very agitated.] I don’t know! It bothers me every day. I’ve got no idea. I’m so tired of that question. If I could go back in time…you’re telling me that I had a winning lottery ticket, and I burned it. But…I lose sleep over it. It bothers me. I don’t know. I don’t know what was going through my head. I was sitting there thinking, “We gotta get out of here. This is nuts. This is crazy.” It was like a bad dream, actually it was very much like a bad dream. We felt like once we got out of there, it was over.

There was a while where it was really, really traumatic. And then…you lose sleep enough, and you kind of forget about it. But every once in a while I’ll see like a little monkey or something in a zoo, and I’m like, “Fuck man, what did I do?” Recently, I saw this boxer dog, and it had this face that was really kind of similar to the young one’s face, and I was just sitting there looking at this dog just thinking, “Oh my God…what happened?”

The kid looked like a little black kid. Its face…human eyes, but it had the snout of a boxer, and the lips of an ape. It very closely resembled the snout of a boxer but pushed in a little bit more.

J.C. Johnson: Were the young ones walking on all fours or on two legs?

Justin Smeja: 50/50. They spent as much time on all 4s as they did on 2 legs. They were a drastically different color than the adult. The adult was the color of a pale coyote, and the kids were cinnamon-colored, quite a bit darker.

Abe del Rio: Were they faster on all fours?

Justin Smeja: They were definitely faster on all fours. They had very long arms, and they had huge heads. They basically had an adult-sized head on a kid-sized body, which is really hard to wrap your mind around. And their hands were huge. Well, they were the size of mine, but if you put that on a little frame, it looks oddly proportioned. And they were calloused. I’ve been saying that they have paws. They’re hands, but they’re so calloused, they look like paws. It looks like a pad – like two little pads on each finger and a big pad. Their hands were very cushioned.

[Justin’s buddy, the driver of the truck, comes on.]

Driver: When I first looked at it [through the binoculars], the first thing I said was it looked like a person in a bear suit. Someone that had a bear suit on, but then where’s the bear’s face would be, it was not there – instead it looked more human. I didn’t even really think it looked ape-like at all. It looked a lot more human, but it looked a lot more hairy in the face than a person.

Unknown host: You actually lifted up the little one. How much would you say it weighed?

Driver: 35 to 40 pounds.

Unknown host: And about how tall?

Driver: I would say 3 feet. The little ones were extremely vocal while we were searching for the big one. The best way to describe it is like when a deaf person is trying to talk. They were loud. They talked a lot. They would come back to each other. They would start making noises, then they would run off in different directions. And they did that probably 5 or 6 times.

Unknown host: They weren’t communicating in English, nothing you could understand, right?

Driver: Correct, yes.

The adult looked very similar to the one in the Patterson Film because it looked like a person in a suit. I personally felt like it would have been a female because of the 2 younger ones. I can’t tell by looks whether it was a male or a female.

[Compared to “Patty”] it was more flat-chested, well, muscular. I felt like it was carrying a lot of weight around with it, like it was more thick than “cut up” or “ripped.” I could tell that by the way the sides shook when it got shot.

I watched the shot enter the body of the big one, and I remember the way the side…looked like Jell-O. The shot rocked its side. You could see waves in the side of the body. And the picture that sticks with me more than anything else was when the bullet entered the big one.

BFRO and the Sierra Shootings. Many have noted that the BFRO immediately closes all threads related to the Sierra Kills, and the word is that they think the whole thing is nonsense.

However, that did not seem to be the case at the very beginning. Recall that we are the ones who broke the story.

Almost immediately, our story was linked to a secretive Tech Groups Yahoo group for BFRO moderators only. No one else can join, and no one can read the messages. I had quite a few links coming in from that group for some time, and they appeared to be extremely interested in the story and seemed to be discussing it very intensively. This gives the lie to the idea that they blew the story off from the start.

The alternate explanation is that the BFRO did not get to scoop this story and were left out of the loop for whatever reason. However, Moneymaker heard of this story soon after Ken Walker reported it in 2010. In addition, there are high ranking BFRO investigators who were involved in this case from the very beginning, and they believe deeply in the Sierra Kills story.

The BFRO is mad about this story. Someone else is getting the credit for it, they lost out, and you know what a bunch of big narcissistic, ultra-competitive babies and Matt and his child army are.

What is the BFRO about first and foremost? The BFRO is about the BFRO above all else. The BFRO is about Matt Moneymaker and his solar system sized ego and all of his hangers on who joined his gang, give him narcissistic supply and play his games.

Jeff Meldrum and the Sierra Kills. Jeff Meldrum actually made a trip to the site of the Sierra Kills, but he expressed some doubt about the story. He also examined a piece of the Bigfoot steak recovered in the Kills, but he was not sure what to make of it. I think it is amazing that Meldrum actually went out to that site.

BFRO and Ketchum’s study. We reported earlier that Moneymaker trashed Ketchum’s study. Why? It’s competition. Matt’s burned bridges everywhere in the Bigfoot world for many years now due to his controlling Type A personality and his volatile and mercurial personality. Matt has to control everything. If he can’t control something, then he has to tear it down and destroy it. Matt burned bridges with Ketchum for good already about one year ago in January 2010. Big mistake, but Matt burns bridges and starts fights everywhere he goes, so it’s to be expected.

BFRO and information sharing. With the BFRO, if you have something, they are all ears. But when it comes to giving stuff out, they are very stingy. All take and no give is the BFRO motto. We know for a fact that they are hoarding much of their best evidence for unknown reasons. They will apparently release it when the time is right. That’s not very scientific now is it?

At the moment, the BFRO seems to operate like a business, a capitalist enterprise. It is primarily interested in profit making in the form of a TV show and regular expeditions. Objectivity takes a back seat to the loot, as it does in any capitalist enterprise.

Randy Brisson’s photos. Randy Brisson is a very controversial researcher out of British Colombia. He has been accused of hoaxing two different photos, and people who went on trips with him to his area said they caught him throwing rocks at them and claiming that a Bigfoot was doing it. However, some big names in the Bigfoot community think at least one of Brisson’s photos is real.

Other than the dubious stuff above, Brisson has also somehow found good evidence. That evidence includes four separate samples of Bigfoot hair gathered by Randy for the Erickson Project. All four tested presumptive for Bigfoot by the Ketchum DNA project. He also gathered  more evidence from the same area for a new DNA project. All samples are from Golden Ears Provincial Park in BC, which is an active Bigfoot habituation site.

But then there are those photos.

Brisson's photos as a gif. As you can see, there are two photos, and the photos were shot from different distances. One is a bit closer and another is farther away.

Brisson claims that he merely rotated the same photo to create the new photo, but this is apparently not true. As you can see, the head does not change size in the two photos. But it has to if the photos are real. Brisson’s photo thus violates the rules of physics. In addition, the Bigfoot in this photo has a smaller head than the head of a man of the same size, 5’3. That makes no sense at all. After being told of this, Brisson then changed his story and said it was an “adolescent” Bigfoot in an attempt to explain away the small head.

Brisson also said the photo was taken at Pitt Lake in the far reaches of the park, but it was actually taken 250 yards from the main park campground in the middle of the day, an exceedingly unlikely spot for a Bigfoot.

In addition, Brisson showed another photo.

Click to enlarge. The second photo of the group from Brisson.

The second photo has a lot of problems. First Brisson said that he had seen a 12-14 foot tall Bigfoot in Golden Ears Park. The description of the Bigfoot matched early reports from that region of “true giant” Bigfoots to a T to such an extent that it seemed as if Brisson had copied the written reports on the true giants. Then he produced this photo, which shows a Bigfoot which must be 15 feet tall by the dimensions of the photo. I do not believe there is a 15 foot tall Bigfoot in this photo, sorry.

When asked for information about the photo, Brisson said that it came from a good female friend of his in Oregon. But he could not give her name or any other information about her. He could not say where or when it was taken. He also said that no one he knew knows how to use Photoshop, but this photo looks shopped to me.

The first of Brisson’s photos has prominent supporters in the Bigfoot world, but I think these two pictures are ridiculous. Sorry.

Wally Hersom’s wealth. Hersom is a very rich man. One of our sources investigated his wealth and determined that he may be worth up to $1 billion. Wally also says stays out of all of the horrible Bigfoot politics, to his credit. Hersom is one of the most standup guys in all of Bigfootery.


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34 responses to “Bigfoot News January 2, 2012

  1. Lindsay great story out of no-news! I can’t help but notice Justin refers to the “kids looking around for their mother,” which seems he sees them in a human way..or not, he claims to have shot them anyway.
    On H.erectus…my personal favorite theory. Ubiquitous and also Turkan Boy so large as teen..and a few other odd characteristics.
    I do hope, pray, this information moves forward to the likes of Max Planck, Jane Goodall, Wildlife groups, Center for Bio-divesity and so on and away from amateur hunters and researchers. I can see a future with FS service signs:
    Notice- H.indomitus Habitiat no “Bigfootery” allowed LOL or not. I wait with interest to see how the public and policy makers will eventually digest this news…if ever. I have my doubts Robert…and not for want of trying on anyone’s part!

  2. Good job once again, Robert!

    I’m STILL thinking that some salient parts of the Smeja story are missing in the above account. For example, if the “kid” weighed 35-40 lbs (I heard 80 lbs before), there is no way in hell that Smeja hid it on-site as he claims. Either he shot it and has the body, or he has become a willing fall-guy for another sasquatch murder, or murders.

    Plus — Ketchum only mentioned a single “bigfoot steak” to me on the phone, not two. She didn’t mentioned two killings either.

    Later, she was miffed because I called her “pro-kill” on this and one other site. She responded she would NEVER kill a bigfoot, NEVER !!! But I didn’t say she did kill it; I just said she was “pro-kill” as long as someone else pulled the trigger. I said that, and it was and is still true.

    I’m “pro-life” to use an abortion term and applying it to sasquatch. For abortion, I’m “pro-choice” because I’m NOT a woman, and the woman must decide her own morals or ethics, not me or the politicians.

    Actually, for sasquatch I’m also pro-choice. But it’s sasquatch’s choice, not Homo sapiens sapiens — let alone the researchers (eg. Ketchum) or the politicians.

    The “parent” in the above Smeja story made a clear sign to NOT SHOOT. I’m sorry, but I would NOT have shot under the same circumstances. Very few would have, I’ll bet. After all, it just COULD have been a man named “Patty” in a suit.


  3. What got me on the Smeja story is the shooting of the small “kid” sasquatch. In the interview it was stated as being 35-40 pounds and about 3 feet tall. it should not have been killed …it should have been captured.They said that the 2 “kids” were not running away from them,but were close and pacing around. no need to kill it. I think there is more to this story than what has been told. If it’s all true then for sure there is more…like pictures and a body or at least body parts. Also unless i misunderstood…there is more “meat” for sale for DNA testing.
    The Crypto Crew

  4. Pimp

    “That theory states that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin killed a family of Bigfoots at the Patterson film site on that day in 1967. MK Davis theory only warrants investigation my a mental health professional. That Paulides lends credence to this silliness is disturbing.”

    This is a pretty horrible thing to say Robert, and you should apologize. The LAST thing that you should be doing is saying that people have mental problems for investigating possibilities that seem super unlikely on the surface.

  5. grammy97

    Pimp, horrible is as horrible does. (That’s a paraphrase of some ancient wisdom from my childhood)

    There is no reasonable evidence for MK Davis’ theory. There was never any reasonable evidence for the theory that Patterson and Gimlin had massacred an entire group of humanoid giants. There are centuries of narratives from First Nations and others, describing the hairy giants: the theories of ‘Bigfoot hunters’ are not based in that history. The people who promulgate those theories do appear to have mental problems. MK Davis, Matt Moneymaker and their ilk are not trustworthy people.

    • Pimp

      Uhhh…okay. Look, even if everything that you say is true, it still does not change my assertion that it is not okay to say that people have mental problems just because they want to research ideas that are considered to be very unlikely. You don’t need evidence to do research.

      • Sure, I was kidding. I am quite sure that Paulides is not mentally ill in any real sense.

        Whether or not he has a personality disorder though, is another kettle of fish altogether. Personality disorder is ubiquitous in Bigfootery. I haven’t seen a lot of obvious mental illness though.

        There’s a difference between being DSM unhealthy or ill and just being a kook. Paulides has been heading down Kookery Road for quite some time now.

        But really, all of Bigfootery is made up of kooks in one form or another. It’s really sad. Not that many straight up, non-kook people in the field.

        When you speak as a man of science in an evolutionary field of inquiry and then don’t believe in Evolution, you are a KOOK.

        When you talk about the Massacre at Bluff Creek, you are a KOOK.

        When you talk about Bigfoots being tied in with UFO’s and aliens somehow, you are a KOOK.

        Real simple. Believing in Bigfoot is nutty enough. Why complicate things and believe in a bunch of other wacky stuff?

        • Pimp

          Ugh…you’ve got a really bad attitude. You’re doing the pseudoskeptics’ work for them. I’m gonna stop posting here – not that it will mean much to you. This is just unacceptable.

        • I totally agree with you. The kookery does an big harm to the serious research on Sasquatch, destroying its credibility.

  6. Brian

    Regarding H. erectus/heidelbergensis as the potential precursor to modern bigfoot, I too find this very likely, at least in some populations, but when one looks at a wide range of bigfoot/relict hominid/wild man reports it seems that there are several phenotypes, with some being much more ape-like and some much more human-like. The interesting MtDNA results that Robert detailed here as relayed by Mr. Stubstad, seem to indicate hybridization with sapiens and certainly, stories around the globe speak of bigfoot creatures interbreeding with modern sapiens. It all makes me wonder if “bigfoot” is not actually a mish-mash of regional variations deriving from many hybridization events amongst several related hominids over several million years, including Australopithicenes, habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis, neanderthal and sapiens. I suspect as each new form arose, the previous forms may have bred with them, creating hybrid populations that may have then created gray area populations or were subsumed back into one side or the other, carrying a little alternate dna with them. Some of the bigfoot reports sound much more like Australopithecus/Paranthropus types, some sound very much mixed and some sound like giant, hairy sapiens. I suspect hybridization and regional isolation may be at work in the many type descriptions from the reports, as well as the possibility that different populations may have descent from different ancient populations/species/sub-species with only a tiny admixture of other, more dominant populations.

    Genetic testing is beginning to show that humans have some genetic admixture from non-sapiens (neanderthal and “Denisovan”). I have always suspected that would prove to be the case and I suspect more will be forthcoming in time. I suspect that when all is said and done, the relict hominids will be shown to be a catchall for those types we now consider different species based on the current interpretations of the fossil record, and when sapiens is added to those relict populations, you will have one big “human” (Hominid) genome with several regional variations, more akin to sub-species (cousins, so to speak), rather than true species, and hybridization will have been a major component within that overall genome for a very long time. The notion that bigfoot is descended from just one of the “species” from the fossil record to me seems far too narrow an interpretation. Reality rarely gives us straight lines and neat, book-ended conclusions. Reality is a bit more messy and hard to define than that. The need to make this big mess orderly is of course at the root of so much human pathology and myth-making.

  7. Brian:

    I agree with you 100%, particularly if we include the Yeti; Almasty, etc.

    Even with but three mito sequences, I see two distinctly different female haplotypes–one being a rare H* and the other being roughtly L1a2 — all three of these from North America alone.

    See also David Claerr’s take, which is some kind of “progenator species” that pretty much covers the genetic territory you mentioned above.

    Richard Stubstad

    • Brian

      Hi Richard,

      Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am including the whole kettle; yeti, almasty, all the mini-foot types that would seem to be similar to the “hobbit” (floresiensis), etc., the whole global kit and kaboodle of the various apeman-like creatures. I had suspected this for a long time, but when I saw your MtDNA analysis here a few months back, I knew there had to be something to my suspicions. If you got two distinct MtDNA sequences from only three samples then that suggests there must be tremendous diversity within these populations.

      The idea of a progenitor species is interesting, but my guess would be that, by now, they are too hybridized over millions of years to actually be that progenitor species, anymore, but I can definitely get on board with the idea that all of us hominids may have arisen from a progenitor species and that we are all just branches or sub-species (or even more likely, regional variations representing various hybridization events between many sub-species or regional variants) of that progenitor species. Where can I find David Claerr’s theory online?

      Thanks again for your reply. I am so very excited by all that is happening on the genetic front with hominid origins/genetics, both in the bigfoot world and in the official world of sapiens research. For years I had been telling some of my research associates that humans had to have hybrid origins, to which they all rolled their eyes and spouted the out of africa only dogma…until the neanderthal and denisovan papers came out. 🙂 Now they are paying more attention.


  8. seriously?

    nice posts brian and yes..
    @Wally Hersom, I know you don’t read this stuff, but just in case? 5$ will secure and save 100 plus acres of traditional homeland isolated in middle of wilderness and slated to develope into 50 far just six, the right number for research cabins. No services, but it’s the historic riparian/pastoral “no-hunt” zone these wild people have relied on for generations and unique in these desert island mountains…Save this homestead…for BF’s, for all the species dependant on this one small zone/creek….a drop in the bucket sounds like….and what a place to begin Gombe type efforts….and several BFs already willing.

    • seriously?

      5$mill little important typo there! But, I am sure I can get that down given RE market…but’s the only privately held land in miles….
      AZ is only about 17% privately owned, the rest NF/NP or BLM or State lands.

      • apehuman

        oh – I read in BFF he was worth $110mill – explains why MM guarded that contact so,. I recently watched a 24 episode Korean Drama – Tree with Deep Roots…it could have been about Bigfootery – the universal theme of money/power vs alutruism/love The focus of that show’s conflict- the creation and publication of the Korean alphabet…imagine!….

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  10. Brian

    Hi Uncle Tancred,

    Just a thought, certainly not saying this is so, but what if they didn’t loose the ability to make fire, but gave up the use of fire as a tactic to avoid detection by H.sapiens sapiens…

    Of course, if they are based in earlier hominids, say Australophicenes/Paranthropus, perhaps they never had the ability to make fire and didn’t adopt the ability from the later hominids they interbred with. Perhaps they fear fire?…Just another thought.

    Finally, what if they do use fire in a limited capacity, strictly, say, in very isolated conditions where they are certain no H. s. sapiens are around or inside caves only, where the smoke will not be easily sighted by intruders (us)…Again, just a thought.

    I am not sure we have enough data yet to draw any firm conclusions. The vast majority of our data is currently anecdotal (which I do value and don’t discount, btw), which is hard to draw firm conclusions from, as anecdotal evidence only implies or suggests some behaviors might be possible, not that they are concretely confirmed.

    It is a fascinating time to be looking at these questions about the wildmen!

    • Brian

      Uncle Tancred,

      Also, forgot to add. I have studied hybridization extensively in a wide cross section of organisms and you are right on track that gigantism can occur through a hybridization event. In the Lyger (Lion x Tiger) it happens because genes that limit size are not passed from either parent to the offspring when the mating is made with the Lion as the male and the Tiger as the female, if I remember correctly. Conversely, the Tigon, which is made using the opposite direction (Tiger x Lion) is smaller than either parent as it receives size limiting factors from both parents. Hybridization is so interesting, and is likely a much more active factor in evolution than has been previously thought. It also does not produce as much infertility as was commonly thought in the past.

    • Anedotal reports suggest that BF’s are fascinated by fire. They like to take sticks, dip them in the fire and then run around holding the sticks that are burning at the end like a torch. But they don’t seem to know how to make one.

      There is one report of a BF family in the Harrison Lake area that had fire. A young Indian woman was kidnapped by a young BF for a bride, but then he brought her back 1 year later. She lived with them in a cave, and she said that they did have fire in that cave. Famous story, but I forget her name. Jacqueline Something.

  11. JDB

    If you would do just a little Research you might find the 2nd picture is actually from a Movie. “Devil on the Mountain” here is the actors page. I’m sure you will recognize him. just scroll down at all of the movies he has been in, it will show this picture.

  12. Randy

    JDB was right about the picture being from a movie.

  13. John Morley

    It is unfortunate that you have mistated the thoughts of M.K. Davis regarding the 1967 Bluff Creek scenario. Please show me where he claimed that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin killed several sasquatches at the time they filmed Patty? I know MK and that is not his claim.

    John Morley, Independent Biologist, Texas Hominid Research

  14. Doug

    Re: David Paulides -“As to that embarrassing departure from the San Jose?
    David Paul Paulides was an Officer with the San Jose Police Department until 1996. He was charged and indicted for a misdemeanor crime that involved falsely obtaining autographs while fraudulently misrepresenting his position within the police department. His tenure fell short of the requisite 20 years required to retire and he was forced to leave with only 16.5 years. His last duty assignment was in the Court Liaison Office. Most likely he left voluntarily in lieu of being prosecuted and given an option to quit.”

    There’s much more. He is not the super cop George Snoory would have you believe.
    Forgive the lateness of my reply.

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