Flores Man Split Off Before Homo Erectus

As you can see, this graph shows Homo Floresiensis splitting off even before Homo Erectus.

This means that Flores Man split off from the rest of the human line over 2 million years ago. The finding is stunning, and scientists have reacted with disbelief. The reason for their lack of belief is because in the 2 million years since Flores Man split off, we lack fossils for it or its predecessors for most of that period. We only have fossils for the last 200,000 years or so. Until very recently, we had no fossils at all for this Homo. Therefore, until a few years ago, a Homo existed for over 2 million years on Earth without leaving any known fossils.

One reason for believing that Flores Man is pre-Erectus is due to a chimpanzee-like feature in its wrist.

This also means that Flores Man must have left Africa at some point as part of a separate wave than the rest of the Homo types that left Africa. It’s not known when Flores Man left Africa. Who is Flores Man’s ancestor? This is unknown. Possibly Homo habilis or Homo Gautegensis.

Here is Homo habilis, the first human. Or one of the first. Pretty monkey-looking, but starting to get human.

The austropithecines came first. These then evolved into Homo around 2.5 million years ago. Homo probably came from Australopithecus garhi.

Eee eee! Here is Garhi, one of your grandparents. A pretty monkey-looking dude! Or is a chick? How can you tell anyway?

The implications for Bigfoot and other relict hominid studies are important. This means that relict hominids can live on the Earth for over 2 million years without leaving a single fossil that we have found.

The truth is that fossils are rarely found. On Flores Island, they were only found in caves. The jungle will eat everything else up. Chimpanzees have been around for 6 million years, but we just found the first fossils a few years ago. Nothing lasts in the African jungle.

Only certain types of landscape features retain fossils at all. Caves have the correct microclimate, but caves are not common. The Gobi Desert has yielded a lot of fossils due to its dry climate. The Rift Valley in Ethiopia is very dry, and it has also eroded in the proper way to reveal fossils embedded in its walls. Along the same lines, fossils were reportedly found in the vast eroded walls of the Grand Canyon.

It is estimated that only 5% of all species that have ever lived are represented in the fossil record. The other 95% are completely missing. That is why we have so many missing links and gaps in the fossil record that the Creationists love to gloat about.


Filed under Africa, Animals, Anthropology, Apes, Asia, Bigfoot, East Africa, Ethiopia, Mammals, Physical, Regional, Science, Wild

12 responses to “Flores Man Split Off Before Homo Erectus

  1. Amy

    Where did that graph come from?
    I thought there was still considerable disagreement among scientists as to whether h. floresiensis was a species in its own right or not.

    • Nope, the debate is over.

      But those are some of the guys who are saying no way did they split off 2 million years ago because there are no fossils. They are saying it’s not a species. They are just deformed humans.

      • Amy

        Who says the debate is over? Where did the graph come from?

        I thought those who disagreed re: new species just interpreted the existing evidence differently–some have concluded that these were people with iodine deficiencies and etc.

        Personally I’d love for them to be a separate species, but wishful thinking doesn’t prove anything….

        • Read the Wiki article. The debate’s over. The Flores Man types won. The others can’t prove their case. Their still arguing, but the majority of scientists now believe it’s a species.

          It came from the Bigfoot Forums. I think from some pdf about Homo Erectus.

        • Amy

          What, the Wikipedia article? I did read it. If the debate is over, no one’s updated the h. floresiensis page (still dubs Flores Man a “possible species”).

  2. Read the article. They lost.

  3. I found it here. The guy copied it from a paper that he has now lost the reference to. But at any rate, I agree with him. Flores Man is very primitive, definitely pre-Erectus. Look at the wrist bone.

  4. I agree with the graph. There’s good evidence that Flores Man is pre-Erectus. Read the article on Wikipedia.

    • Feel free to leave, Davey. Traffic is superb on this site at 5,000 hits/day. You’ve been skirting awful close to a ban warning for some time now anyway.

      That Flores Man may be pre-Erectus is a valid theory and has been widely discussed on the scientific press. The wrist bone is pre-Erectus and resembles an Australopithecine.

  5. Amy


    Maybe you’ve already seen this page; you already mentioned Weber’s site in an older post, but it’s worth linking to here. Supports Flores Man as a separate species—very nicely-organized, lots of visual aids, not too hard to follow for dilettantes.
    The graph (scroll to just past a third of the way down the page) showing possible relationships between various homo species labeled “The speculative and invevitably [sic] controversial tree of the genus Homo,” provoked a lot of chuckling, given the kerfuffle re: the one you posted above.
    (The graph reflects both the theory that Flores split off earlier and the theory that Flores split off more recently.)

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