Euro Nationalists – Pro or Anti-Zionist?

Aaron, an Israeli, says:

My hypothesis is still that it’s a matter of structure. Parties representing stateless nations (Basques, Scots, etc.) or nations identifying with irredentist states (Irish in Ulster) will tend to be anti-Israel. Those on the other side (BNP) will find it easier to be pro-Israel.

With the BNP and the rest of the Euro nationalists, it is more of a “we hate Muslims” thing. Plus they are generally aligned with far right and fascist nationalism. Far right and fascist nationalists typically align with Israel, because as I have been saying forever on here, Zionism is fascism.White nationalists and Arab nationalists don’t, but there are special reasons for that. It makes perfect sense that Hindu nationalists love Zionism. And at the same time they love Hitler. I guess that makes sense in some strange way.

Sinn Fein and the Basques have long been on the Left. They formed links with Palestinian nationalists long ago on anti-colonialist grounds. Recall that both the Basques and the Sinn Fein feel that they are being attacked colonialism or imperialism – Spanish colonialism – imperialism in the case of the Basques and British colonialism – imperialism in the case of Sinn Fein. The Palestinians also say that they are fighting against Zionist colonialism and imperialism.

All three felt that they were natives to the land whose claim to the land was usurped by foreign colonizers. None of that is going on with the rest of the Euro nationalists. They are just anti-immigrant, that’s all. It’s not the same thing. Never mind insane White nationalist who claim that Europe is being “colonized” by Muslims. It’s not! Not not not not not . Whatever else it is, Muslim immigration to Europe is not colonialism, not in any sane sense anyway.

On the other hand, fascists always say that the immigrants to their lands are “foreign colonizers.” There’s a long tradition of this Nazi type thinking, but it’s simply not the same thing as true de jure colonialism.

Yes, White nationalists hate Zionism, but that goes against their pro-nationalist stance. Zionism is simply White nationalism for the Jews. It’s nothing else. Further, it’s an excellent model for White nationalists. White nationalist anti-Zionist is all about anti-Semitism and not about anything else. Think about it.

White nationalists hate all non-Whites. So they love these swarthy Arab niggerized mongrels? Forget it. They hate them just like they hate all non-Whites. They only use the Pallieniggers as a club to beat the Jews with. Now that their hero Hitler is dead, they don’t have a lot of good weapons against Jews. The Pallies will have to do.

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31 responses to “Euro Nationalists – Pro or Anti-Zionist?

  1. Bay Area Guy

    So they love these swarthy Arab niggerized mongrels? Forget it. They hate them just like they hate all non-Whites. They only use the Pallieniggers as a club to beat the Jews with. Now that their hero Hitler is dead, they don’t have a lot of good weapons against Jews. The Pallies will have to do.

    Agreed. Alex Kurtagic warned his fellow WN’s against this.

    My opposition to Israel and Zionists is to the extent that they fuck up this country’s foreign policy and interests, as well as the hypocrisy of Jews like Abe Foxman who support Jewish ethnonationalism abroad while promoting multiculturalism at home.

    I’m certainly not going to shed crocodile tears over the Palestinians. I wish others would follow my lead.

    Nothing annoys me more than self-righteous crocodile tears.

    Jews can be assholes towards Arabs all they want, so long as they don’t screw up this country’s interests and get us involved in their mess. Problem is, Jews being assholes towards Arabs more often than not screws up U.S. foreign policy, so I wish they’d quit it.

    • nazbol

      @BAZG
      WHat’s the point of being consistent with people like these? I say people should play their game and shed tears for Arabs.

      • Wade in MO

        ” I say people should play their game and shed tears for Arabs.”

        I completely agree. The jews don’t really give a shit about blacks or native americans but they have been crying about them for decades because it helps them politically. Frankly, this strategy has worked quite well for them. We need to use this “crisis” to demonize them in peoples minds. I always think it’s a joke when some republican neocon douchbag says that he’s going to be “politically incorrect” and defend the jews and Israel. That just shows the massive extent to which the american “right” are massive tools. Not only is defending the jews and Israel politically correct, it’s the most politically correct thing you could do. neocons = tools

        Besides, there are other perfectly good reasons to be anti-semitic. Even if one is not the craziest about the arabs, there is another interesting civilization that jews seem to love defaming: Iran. Not to mention Europe for most of it’s history.

        Whatever one thinks about the JQ, one thing must be admitted: they are clever in some ways. They have shown themselves to be prolific and talented liars and cheats. We can learn from their methods.

      • Bay Area Guy

        The jews don’t really give a shit about blacks or native americans but they have been crying about them for decades because it helps them politically.

        Yeah, Malcolm X pointed this out. Jews don’t really give a crap about blacks or their plight, but use them as a buffer or tool against white gentiles.

        Once Jews got what they wanted from the 60s and the Civil Rights Movement, they abandoned blacks, and as Malcolm X pointed out, they were always among the first to flee neighborhoods that blacks moved into.

        We need to use this “crisis” to demonize them in peoples minds.

        Oh, I completely agree. I think we need to specifically point out Jewish hypocrisy by highlighting the fact that they self-righteously support diversity and liberalism at home, while supporting Jewish fascism abroad.

        Whatever one thinks about the JQ, one thing must be admitted: they are clever in some ways. They have shown themselves to be prolific and talented liars and cheats. We can learn from their methods.

        Co-sign. WN’s and white gentiles in general would do well to study the history of Zionism and the tactics they used to ensure success. Let’s just say that as far as nationalistic movements are concerned, WN’s fail miserably compared to Zionists, and have nowhere near the same organization, dedication, or PR spokespersons that the Zionists had.

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Wade

          I do believe in doing whatever it takes to succeed, and I’m not constrained by ideological purity. If it takes shedding a few crocodile tears over the Palestinians to successfully demonize Jewry/Jewish power, then I’ll do it. I’ll out-Jew the Jew, so to speak.

          Still, I’ve got to say, there’s something sleazy and dirty about shedding crocodile tears over Arabs. It just feels wrong.

          Granted, like you said, if one is unwilling to sink to the ADL’s level, it will not achieve its power, but there’s got to be a better way. It’s not like I’m eager to get in bed with PSM types (especially considering the fact that they support other movements, and tend to have friendly relations with groups such as the Black Student Union).

        • Bay Area Guy

          Besides, there are other perfectly good reasons to be anti-semitic. Even if one is not the craziest about the arabs, there is another interesting civilization that jews seem to love defaming: Iran. Not to mention Europe for most of it’s history.

          We have a winner!

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060304287.html

        • Bay Area Guy

          Kevin MacDonald with a more thorough analysis of Krauthammer.

          http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=2130

    • Gay State Girl

      Gay Area Guy
      The America First Movement needs to divorce itself from the Palestinian Solidarity Movement. The PSM certainly does not have the interest of whites at heart. It would just create divisions between different segments of the WN movement. How about taking a neutral position to unite the Euro nationalist movement?

      I’m quite the opposite of these leftist jewish types. I have no problem with those who criticize the lobby and other influential jewish groups but I will shed no tears for the Palestinians. I find it amusing that these idiot leftists will rush to support and ultimately devote their whole lives to a group who is at complete odds with them ideologically simply because they are a people of color. Finkelstein is fag for Christ’s sake and he is a tireless advocate for a race which persecutes his kind. One has to wonder what the Palestinians have ever done in return for him and other like minded jews. I’ll be honest, if I do something for someone, I expect them to return the favor and I don’t think I could rely on the Palestinians to do anything for me in return, therefore I have no interest in supporting them. It’s sad to see children or innocent adults die regardless of race, but in an alternate scenario, I could envision those same Palestinian children persecuting me.
      On the other hand I can understand why dinosaurs would jump on the PSM bandwagon even though it i a stupid move. Aside from using it to bash jews, they have a lot in common with Arabs, who are some of the most bigoted people on the planet.

      • Bay Area Guy

        Finkelstein is fag for Christ’s sake and he is a tireless advocate for a race which persecutes his kind.

        Hehe. Yeah, I watched a video of him speaking at Georgetown, and his mannerisms and the way he spoke kind of triggered my gaydar.

        The PSM certainly does not have the interest of whites at heart.

        Exactly. Also, as a college student, what needs to be pointed out is that you get the full package with the PSM. By that, I mean that they tend to align themselves with other organizations such as the BSU (black student union).

        They may be attacking Zionist Jews one day, but they might be criticizing whites (or overall Westerners) the next.

        Speaking of which, Israeli Apartheid Week at UCI will be coming up before too long.

        • Gay State Girl

          We already had Israeli Apartheid Week in Boston back in March. Hillel organized a “Israel Peace Week” the same week and they stood across from each other. More people came to speak with the Palestinian Solidarity Activists though but I’m not happy about that either. While I abhor the role the Israeli lobby plays in US foreign policy, I find the PSM equally repulsive. I have a lot of respect for Walt and Mearsheimer who expose the doings of the lobby without delving into Antisemitism and I hope to God that they don’t appear on stage with Thomas, Nader, and Abourezk at Move Over AIPAC. Many of the people who join the PSM are incredibly naive particularly other angry blacks or non Arab Muslims (particularly Pakis) who support Palestinians with every fiber of their being without being promised anything in return. I do have the greatest sympathy for Pakistanis though.

          Norman seems gay but I think he is a sexy bastard.

        • Gay State Girl

          I’m not usually into Jewish guys. Must be the German in him. his Mom was a Nazi fucker.

  2. Bay Area Guy

    What’s the point of being consistent with people like these? I say people should play their game and shed tears for Arabs.

    For me, doing that would be distasteful. If nothing else, I believe in consistency.

    If I’m going to support white nationalist aspirations both here and in Europe (as well as Canada, Australia, South Africa, etc), then intellectual consistency demands that I support Jewish nationalist aspirations.

    True, organized Jewry doesn’t exactly deserve to be honorably dealt with, but I’m not going to sink to the ADL’s level.

  3. AWolSCO

    Just thought I’d chip in with a few observations from the European side.
    I’m a Scottish nationalist and want to walk away from an England that has lost its way. As has the USA. The reality is that both have been subverted. Scotland, to a lesser extent, simply because it is not seen as of much value or importance. I can’t outline all the reasons for wishing for separation here, but the main thrust is the preservation of Scottish culture, including the Gaelic language and keeping Scotland white, simply because that is the way it has always been.

    I have no hatred for blacks, muslims or jews or asiatics and indeed welcome friendly contacts with all. However permanent residence is a different matter entirely as is foreign ownership and control of media and national assets, and independence should allow controls to be put in place.
    Along with that comes the opportunity to regain control of foreign relations
    and forge links with countries motivated only by mutually beneficial trade without it needing to be linked to strategic interests as is the case with the current British Government. Incidently those strategic interests seem to be more those of Israel than they are of Britain.
    Where 20 yrs ago one would have looked to forging links with the USA and Canada, of that I am now less certain, because of the dominant position of jewish business in those countries. As the example of Iceland shows, the risks of ensnarement and financial assault are high. The lessons are clear…that great vigilance is required, not least amongst one’s own people who may be subverted by cunning outsiders.

    So where would we find allies and trading partners? We would look east, as we did before we joined with England(for the record England asked Scotland to join with it , not the other way around). The Baltic, eastern Europe and Russia were the old stamping grounds. Given that Russia and Siberia are at best partially developed, it is clear where opportunities lie.
    For that reason a keen eye should be kept on Russia, especially the way in which it handles coloured immigration. There is hope. the Russian neo-nazi movement is a force, and one to which, at least to this outsider, Putin appears to be partially sympathetic. Let’s hope so. For if , in time, Putin, can make a Russia for Russians, then once again Scots may have the opportunity to make their way in a friendly country on their doorstep.
    This was the case in the time of the Tsars. When the Jewish bolsheviks took over, for obvious reasons, emigration by from Scotland to Russia ceased abruptly.
    Reading up recently on the history of the bolsheviks,they experienced a huge uprising by workers in the shipyards at Kronstadt which shook them to the core. The success of the revolution hung by a thread. Sadly, for the Russian people, it was suppressed.
    The Kronstadt shipyards were virtually a Scottish fiefdom at one time.
    I just wonder whether some of that Scottish fighting spirit lived on in their descendants.

    Unfortunately I don’t see much hope for white Americans. The process of disintegration is too far advanced, and if you do contemplate some sort of last stand, I fear your guns won’t be up to much. See what’s being used in the middle east. Not many pop-guns there.
    When the time comes for emigration, which it will, my bet is that you will choose a white nationalist Christian country, the very thing many at present denigrate.
    I do have to agree with the Jews’ assessment of the goyim. They are thick and deserve everything that’s coming to them.

  4. Gay State Girl

    Lindsay did my comment go in the spam bin?

  5. johnUK

    Good summary by Griffin as to why Islam is the major concern/issue.

    If Palestine were to become independent it would just be like Jordan a welfare state financed by the US and kept in line by a police state with various Islamist groups running around.

    If Muslims and Arab states are so bothered about Palestine then let them use their influence and billions of dollars and trillions invested in the US economy to do something about it.

    Why should we give a damn what the Palestinians and Israelis do to each other.

  6. This post implies that white nationalists such as Kevin MacDonald have nothing useful to say against Zionism, and that the latter is just a variant of white nationalism. I beg to differ. Amalgamating white identity and Zionism misses the point that whereas Zionism is supported by Western countries, white apartheid was excoriated and abolished. They are not the same: the powers that be distinguish between them; whereas they fervently support Jewish identity and ethnic cleansing, they oppose its white equivalent with almost equal intensity.

  7. Wade in MO

    “Zionism is supported by Western countries, white apartheid was excoriated and abolished”

    Which is funny because it is well known that Israel was close friends with apartheid South Africa. Must have been because of the great jewish empathy for the black struggle.

    • Gay State Girl

      Wade
      I’m not one to defend Israel but in this case Israel aligned with South Africa because the African countries turned on Israel to side with the Arabs because they are a “people of color” even though they get nothing in return. So Israel aligned itself with apartheid South Africa because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

      In her defense, Helen Suzman risked the “white status” of South African jews.

      Jay Knott
      There is nothing wrong with exposing hypocrisy on WN vs Zionism but as a WN you shouldn’t feel that you owe anything to the Palestinians.

      • Wade in MO

        “I’m not one to defend Israel but in this case Israel aligned with South Africa because the African countries turned on Israel to side with the Arabs because they are a “people of color” even though they get nothing in return. So Israel aligned itself with apartheid South Africa because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

        I know. The Six Day War is said to have changed Israel’s realtions with the rest of the world signifigantly. I’m not going to play moralist about it. There were/are some positives to both zionism and South African Apartheid. At least as many as there are with some of those black african and arab regimes. I don’t see the jews as being uniqely evil (despite what some jews like Susan Sontag have said about us), but rather as just another decietful and corrupt group of people amongst many others around the world. They happen to have a lot of influence in N. America so the are a lightning rod for criticism here. If jews were fucking up the Congo (if they built something in the Congo first) I would probably just seem it as a foreign problem without much signifigance to me.

  8. Dota-Player

    @ GSG

    “”We already had Israeli Apartheid Week in Boston back in March. Hillel organized a “Israel Peace Week” the same week and they stood across from each other. More people came to speak with the Palestinian Solidarity Activists though but I’m not happy about that either.”””

    Why so surprised? Hillel always plans a counter rally to undermine Palestinian solidarity whenever they get the chance. If the rally is particularly passionate, then Hillel’s counter rally will respond with messages of ‘peace’ and ‘love’ all the while supporting an army that kills civilians, harvests their organs, and then uses its lobbying power to shut down people like Lubomyr Prytulak who expose them. Hillel at York has pulled this stunt on many occasions so its not surprising that activists ignore their shallow motives and engage the PSM instead.

    “””Finkelstein is fag for Christ’s sake and he is a tireless advocate for a race which persecutes his kind. One has to wonder what the Palestinians have ever done in return for him and other like minded jews. “””

    He made it quite clear that he defends the Palestinians on grounds of Justice, that was the motive he declared at one of his talks at York. He’s not looking to be compensated. I support Aboriginal rights and aspirations in Canada despite numerous reports of Native gangs beating up East Indians in Saskatoon. It’s a matter of principle and I’m not looking for any kind of payback. Curious that this needs to be explained to you.

    Also I find it amusing that you feel so threatened by WN support for Israel. This is noted.

    @ BAG

    “”If it takes shedding a few crocodile tears over the Palestinians to successfully demonize Jewry/Jewish power, then I’ll do it. I’ll out-Jew the Jew, so to speak. “””

    When you put it that way you sound like a douche, however, it’s pragmatic to establish common ground with other groups who share common interests. The Arabs don’t care about White nationialism, they don’t even know what it is, but that shouldn’t prevent WNs and Arabs from helping each other out. I’ve noticed that WNs back themselves into a corner by insulting every ethnicity and race like a bad episode of family guy instead of building bridges. You’d be surprised how much you have in common with others, especially Muslims believe it or not.

  9. Dota-Player

    “””Also I find it amusing that you feel so threatened by WN support for Israel. This is noted.”””

    I mean to say WN support for the PSM

  10. nazbol

    @Wade
    Do you know of any other nation (Israhell) where it is legal to traffick sex slaves as long as the women are not jews? Where kikes lobby to stop the FBI from investingating jewish mob figures coming from the USSR in the 80’s? If that’s not uniquely evil, I dont know what is.

  11. Gay State Girl

    Dota-Player
    “You’d be surprised how much you have in common with others, especially Muslims believe it or not.”
    That’s for sure. I could not have said so better myself…

    “WN support for the PSM.”
    I’m not intimidated by it. Actually I think it deligitimizes the Palestinian cause. I want Hamas to meet with David Duke or Tom Metzger. What I’m worried about though is that it deligitimize the pro white movement particularly the non zionist America First Movement. There are still WN’s who support Israel and those who hate both Jews and Arabs. If one segment openly supports the Palestinians, they will create unnecessary divisions in the pro white movement. I am a non zionist jew. I can not justify suppoting a foreign country at the expense of my own and I support the pro white movement because that is how non whites view me as white and hostile minorities (Arabs included) are more of a threat to me than mainstream WN’s.
    Finkelstein claims he supports justice yet he devotes his life, jeopardizes his own reputation and career for a race that oppresses his kind to make himself out to be some sort of superhero. That just doesn’t sit well with me These leftists are truly retarded.

  12. heg

    heg @ Robert:

    You want to read this little book by an ex-communist.You can start at chapter ten. She was right in the middle of the jew run “american” communist party for 20 years. ln the late 40s she saw what the jew run communist party really was – except she never understood it was jew run.

    What all non-jew communist have in common is that they are all the riffraff, the most dumbfucked street thugs ever born. And this is what the jews do, the jews use retarded non-jews to do the jews bidding. Just read it “Comrad” Robert. Communism is a jew fraud that is all about the jes taking control of your country.

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/school-of-darkness-an-ex-communist/

  13. Aaron

    Robert writes:

    All three felt that they were natives to the land whose claim to the land was usurped by foreign colonizers. None of that is going on with the rest of the Euro nationalists.

    That’s largely what I mean about it being a matter of structure. The Indian and Ulster affinities to Israel are based on another aspect of that structure: opposition to a national minority that identifies with an irredentist state.

    Of course Muslim immigration is behind other nationalists’ recent cozying up to Jews and Israel. Before, the nationalists were anti-Semitic because European Jews, as a national minority, naturally opposed majority nationalism. That’s obvious. But it doesn’t explain why some nationalists identify with Israel and others with Palestinians.

    White nationalists are almost all morons, but their anti-Israel stance is understandable, often even rational. If they think ZOG is somehow based in Israel – a crazy premise, but some of them actually believe it – then it makes sense to see themselves as at war with Israel as well as with American Jews.

    Speaking of which, I’ve heard all these white nationalist talking points before – and they’re as much talking points as those of any Democratic or Republican hack who thinks that he’s thinking originally. Except there’s one I hadn’t heard before: what’s all this about Persian civilization? First of all, what does Muslim Iran have to do with Persian civilization, anyway? Or Muslim Egypt with the pharaohs and pyramids, for that matter? Muslims are famous for burning out whatever traces they can of conquered foreign civilizations: they’re not like the Catholics adopting pagan customs. Second, I don’t know much about Jewiness, but I think in Jewish tradition the Persians are like the best goyim on the face of the earth. The Hebrew Bible refers to the Persian King Cyrus (Koresh) as “God’s messiah.” That’s rather a compliment coming from Jews. Hebes have loved Persians for the past 2500 years.

    On Robert’s “Zionism is simply white nationalism for the Jews,” there’s a white nationalist who said something like that. Matt Parrott, one of the handful of white nationalists who’s both smart and in solid contact with reality. He said, “White nationalism is just Zionism for crackers.” Brilliant!

    • Wade in MO

      ” Except there’s one I hadn’t heard before: what’s all this about Persian civilization? First of all, what does Muslim Iran have to do with Persian civilization, anyway?”

      The jews have been trying to defame (and divide) Iran for quite some time.
      1) http://www.fravahr.org/spip.php?breve338
      2)http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0618/Does-Israel-suffer-from-Iranophobia

      ” First of all, what does Muslim Iran have to do with Persian civilization, anyway”

      Other than the fact that it is full of different groups of Iranians (including persians)? Odd question….

      ” Second, I don’t know much about Jewiness, but I think in Jewish tradition the Persians are like the best goyim on the face of the earth”

      This isn’t thousands of years ago. This is 2011. And equation the ancient israelite states with modern Israel would be quite a funny joke if so many people didn’t actually think it was a legitimate equivalence.

  14. heg

    This is when the jews holohoax false flag op was born in the USA, in the late 70s. MANDATORY video.

    http://incogman.net/04/2011/talmudic-judaism-must-watch-video/comment-page-4/#comment-104773

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