New Movie on the Fake Holodomor

Some idiot Hollywood filmmakers, some of them Ukrainians, are behind Holodomor: The Movie, a new documentary about the fake Holodomor of 1932-33, the fake deliberate famine that never even happened.

Looking over the story line, there are problems already.

Worst genocide in the history of mankind. Not true. First of all, it wasn’t a genocide. Second, the figures are wrong.

7-10 million died, presumably all Ukrainians. Not true. There were probably about 5.4 million deaths, most actually due to disease and not starvation. People weakened by lack of food fell prey to disease epidemics, particularly cholera. Sanitation was still rudimentary in the USSR at this time, and the antibiotic era only began after WW2. Before the antibiotic era, those afflicted with epidemic diseases often just died.

The movie implies that only Ukrainians died. This is not true. There was a famine over the entire land. People died in Moscow and Siberia.

The movie implies that Ukrainians as a people were deliberately targeted for genocide. Not true. As noted, starvation occurred throughout the land. In particular, the Russian regions near the Ukraine had death rates as high as the Ukrainians. If the Ukrainians were specifically targeted for genocide, why was the death rate just as high among the Slavs of the Lower Volga?

The movie tells the usual lie – there was a bumper harvest in 1932-1933, but the USSR confiscated the crops in order to kill off the Ukrainians, many of whom were protesting collectivization. It’s not true. The famine occurred because there was a famine harvest. The harvest simply collapsed in those years. Some of it was due to weather, but mostly an epidemic of wheat rust spread throughout the land. The Ukrainians also were destroying many of their own crops, setting them on fire, or harvesting them and then leaving them in piles to rot in the rain.

Anti-government guerrillas were rampaging through the Ukraine, attacking collective farms, killing collective farmers, raping women. In early 1932, there were multiple armed attacks occurring every day. For several years prior, the Ukrainians had been killing their own farm animals. They had destroyed about 50% of the livestock in the USSR. This contributed to the famine since many of these animals were used for food, but also, the horses were used to plow the fields.

The government did not “confiscate the bountiful harvest.” It was a real problem with the Ukrainians destroying the food and farm animals, so it’s true that the state sent soldiers and agents down there to seize grain before it could be destroyed. The grain unfortunately was needed to feed the cities, in particular the army. Ukrainians died disproportionately because this was where the crop failure due to wheat rust was the worst.

It’s not true that the Ukrainians were locked in a prison to starve. It was a very difficult time. The crop had failed, with a famine harvest. People were desperately trying to flee the Ukraine to go to other parts of the USSR. In fact, people were on the move all of the USSR, mostly looking for food. It was a great big mess, because workers need to stay in one place for any work to get done.

If the Ukrainians all left the Ukraine, there would be another famine harvest the next year since there would be no workers in the fields to grow crops. So, yes, they did try to prevent people from moving around, but people kept moving around anyway.

Fortunately, the next year was a bumper crop.

There were no 7-10 million deliberate killings (genocide) in the Ukraine in 1932-33. It’s true that there were 390,000 state killings associated with dekulakization in the Ukraine in 1932-33. If the Ukrainians wish to play that up, they can be my guest. But they seem to have an intellectual hard-on for that juicy 10 million dead number.

How did the “7-10 million” figure pop up?

The figure kept going up, because the Ukrainians kept raising it. After WW2, it was decided that the Nazis had killed 6 million Jews. The Ukrainians were upset about this because it made their Holodomor seem lesser.

Plus, the Ukrainian nationalists who play up the Holodomor were deeply involved in Nazism and mass Jew-killing genocide in the Ukraine after the Germans invaded. The Ukrainian nationalists had Jewish blood of the Holocaust all over their hands, and now the Holocaust was beating their precious Holodomor in the numbers racket too. Something had to be done.

The 7 million figure was tossed out. Why? To outdo the 6 million of the Jewish Holocaust and beat the Jews at the numbers game. Also, to play up the “Stalin was worse than Hitler” card, since the Ukrainians were so deeply in bed with the Nazis, this was meant to minimize Nazism as a lesser evil.

To this day, Ukrainian nationalist groups are some of the nastiest anti-Semites out there, more or less unrepentant Nazis. The fake Holodomor thing is part and parcel of their Nazi anti-Semitic project, since supposedly a bunch of Soviet Jews are the ones who “genocided the Ukrainians.”

Over time, they kept adding onto this, and now we have this inflated 7-10 million figure.

One would think that the Ukrainian nationalists could come up with at least one document showing proof of this Holodomor of theirs. The Soviet archives have been opened, including the secret archives of the KGB. It’s all out there for anyone to look at.

With the Nazis, researchers have been able to go over their documentation scrupulously and find documents showing that the Nazi leadership was behind the Holocaust, as much as they tried to cover it up with euphemisms. That the Ukrainians can’t come up with one piece of paper to prove their case is telling.

What’s strange is that the collectivization project is probably what saved the world from Nazism. The USSR of the 1930’s was involved in breakneck industrialization, since Stalin knew that the Nazis and or the West were going to attack them. They had industrialize quickly or be destroyed. The buildup of the USSR during that period was one of the greatest and most extensive national developmental projects in history.

Collectivization was needed to feed the workers in the cities and to free up workers from the fields. Previously, Russian farmers farmed small, unproductive farms that barely grew enough food for one family. This wasn’t going to feed an industrial society, so collectivization was done. The result of this world-shattering developmental project was that the USSR was able to defeat the Nazis. 89% of Germans killed in the war were killed by the USSR. For all intents and purposes, the USSR won the war for us and saved the world from Hitler.

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139 responses to “New Movie on the Fake Holodomor

  1. John Kil

    Nowadays, the Holodomor thing is more likely to be blames on the Russians than the “chosen ones.” Personally, I don’t think the Holodomor really occurred, but I can sympathize with Slavs not liking the Jews in their midst.

    • U guys need to get a life an real facts

      It did get real facts I was born in Ukraine my gradnparents were in it they told me so don’t give me bullshit the it didn’t why would my grandparents make something up and tell there 5 year old son a lie grow balls and facts

      • kulchycki

        I believe you some things never change such as “Propaganda”

        • thelonelycamel

          I am shocked to see that it is actually, truly believed to have never occurred.

          But I sympathize, I really do feel for the Ukrainians who must be boiling to read accusations like this, as if the whole thing never happened. Understand that people who write these types of articles and do these types of ‘research’ have never experienced war, have never been pillaged without reason, and have never experienced unfair dictatorship. They are unaware, blissfully unaware, and so let them feel in their ignorance.

  2. Observer

    With the Nazis, researchers have been able to go over their documentation scrupulously and find documents showing that the Nazi leadership was behind the Holocaust, as much as they tried to cover it up with euphemisms. …

    And just what exactly were the documents found that in fact documented the Jewish holocaust?

    • I am not interested in having a debate with Holocaust Deniers on this site, but if you go to the Nizkor site, they have all that stuff there. Or go to alt.revisionism on Usenet and ask them and they will direct you to the evidence.

    • Observer

      Wow, what a strange comeback there, Robert.

      You make an assertion that the Germans ‘documented’ their supposed ‘holocaust’ of the Jews, yet when I ask just what and where is the documentation, you give me a typical Jewish response that you don’t ‘debate’ ‘holocaust Deniers’. (Oh, and by the way, Nizkor is just another establishmentarian site – nothing special there.)

      C’mon Robert, you can do way better than that — considering you come and read/debate with us over at Occidental Dissent.

      Isn’t it also amazing that you, of all people, give the Jews such respect by capitalizing their (H)olocaust (and capitalizing (D)enial — but show nothing but contempt for the Ukrainians and Russians who died at the hands of the Soviet regime, whether you want to call/refer to it as a “holocaust” or not. How unfortunate and disrespectfully gratuitous — no matter how high the actual death toll of it was.

      Well, ‘mere mortal’ Slavic peasants can never compete for (self) ‘righteous’ morality with people who think they are the center of the universe.

      Sad though that so many other people actually believe and support this. (Well, I guess when you control the media, anything is possible. :/)

      • Danushka

        Observer,

        Thank you for expressing so well what many of us feel. It is pathetic how some people can’t first and foremost consider we are all of the same human race and what a tragedy Holodomor was. I find it very uncivilized. Since childhood I was told stories of the Holocaust and Hollywood reminds me of it every chance it gets. I had never met a Jewish person until I went away to University because none lived in our county, yet I still felt compassion for the victims of the Holocaust. I told myself I would speak up if I ever witnessed such horror. It taught me how wrong it is to oppress, try to eliminate or have disregard for humanity. It prompted me to speak up against the apartheid in Palestine. I am astonished how some preach the horrors of the Holocaust yet show complete disregard for other cultures tragic horrible loss of lives. I can only imagine the soles of Holocaust victims rolling over in their grave in shame of the behaviour of some of their descendants. Holodomor is recognized as fact by the government of the USA, Canada and many other countries. There are still witnesses to testify too. I find it inhumane that some desperately attempt to distract people from acknowledging the horrible events that happened to the Ukrainians and deny the basic respect their soles and loved ones more than deserve by attempting to confuse people by trying to instil doubt in their minds. This is an old technique. Lawyers use it to try to get a guilty man off the hook, politicians have tried to suggest people doubt global warming even though we can clearly see the climate is getting warmer. Please do not doubt your basic common sense and humane instinct. People may try to confuse you by throwing in lost of figures because they know most people don’t have the time to individually do a full private investigation. If this doesn’t work they may try intimidation. For God sakes, Lindsay speaks of events like it were just sports match , his side against the other and he wants his team to win at any cost. It is sickening!

        God bless the soles of the victims of Holodomor. My heart goes out to you and your loved one who miss you and whose lives were as a result changed forever. May your story be heard! Peace! Will humanity ever learn from the horrors of its ugly history and stop repeating it!?

      • Helga Hegly

        Isn’t it also amazing that you, of all people, give the Jews such respect by capitalizing their (H)olocaust (and capitalizing (D)enial

        That would only be true if the Jews were the only victims of the Holocaust.

      • Jacob

        “You make an assertion that the Germans ‘documented’ their supposed ‘holocaust’ of the Jews, yet when I ask just what and where is the documentation, you give me a typical Jewish response that you don’t ‘debate’ ‘holocaust Deniers’. (Oh, and by the way, Nizkor is just another establishmentarian site – nothing special there.)” Ad homenie: https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/best-explanation-yet-for-the-holodomor/#comment-245666

    • Prole

      Nizkor, LOL.

      All their ‘evidence’ is just the, um, ‘testimony’ of some German POW’s in Allied captivity after the war at the Nuremberg Trials (who we are all so certain were treated with impeccable ‘fairness’ and without vengence in getting their ‘confessions’, right?).

      This whole thing is rather ironically amuzing. First, it is alleged that the Nazi’s, with ‘typical Prussian thoroughness’ (mit der preußischen Gründlichkeit) supposedly, and meticulously, kept all sorts of records of their deeds.

      Yet, OTOH, many also say, when pressed for the evidence, maintain there is no hard evidence or documentation from the Third Reich on the ‘holocaust’ since, they claim, Hitler was too ‘crafty’ and ‘clever’ to put it all ‘in writing’… or leave a ‘paper trail’… hence it was all done on a ‘wink and a nod’.

      Gee, which is it?

      (g) oy vey!

    • Prole, not one of those Nazis has recanted their confessions, not a single one. Anyway, they were not all tortured. Many were not even tortured at all. Quite a few were never even arrested! They could not arrest everyone involved in the killing. Many people testified for decades afterwards to interviewers that they had been a part of the execution scheme.

      It’s all there, they wrote down everything, there’s a paper trail, but a lot of times they were using code words. They were trying to keep it a secret but not doing a very good job of it. We have photos, mass graves, the whole nine yards, you name it.

    • Emmanuel Goldstein

      I am not interested in having a debate with Holocaust Deniers on this site.

      That’s right, because you know you’d get the smackdown laid on ya!

    • Emmanuel Goldstein

      We have photos,

      Several of which are fake. Like this one:

      Do you see a rope to hold them in place? Nope.

      Or how about this one:

      Can you match up every pair of legs to each soldier in the background? Good luck! One of the soldiers doesn’t even have legs, but is walking!

      mass graves,

      You don’t have that. There’s not enough space for them at Treblinka. Other graves were very small and were just typhus victims, not gassing victims.

      the whole nine yards, you name it.

      Do you have a Jewish inmate’s body showing evidence of cyanide or carbon monoxide poisoning? Nope.

    • I do not believe that that famous second photo has been proven to be a fake. If it has been, link to it.

      Mass graves have indeed been found, and there were the remains of apparently 10,000’s of victims there. It’s hard to tell though, 50 years on.

      Not really, it just that the Denier NAZIS (who just coincidentally happen to be White nationalists, hmm, now why is that? Why is just about every White nationalists a NAZI? They have all these fake arguments and lies lined up, and I’m not expert enough to go at them. However, there is a Usenet group called alt.revisionism where the White nationalists, um, NAZIS, do debate with believers in the Holocaust. I watched that group for months, and I never saw the Deniers win one single argument. You’d best take your arguments over there and debate with them.

    • I don’t debate with NAZIS. That means you guys. Congratulations, you’re a Nazi. Way to go. Way to fuckin go. Of all the things to advocate in this world, you advocate NAZISM.

      Because Holocaust Denial, at the end of the day, is really just Nazism.

      Out of curiosity, just how many anti-Semites are NOT Holocaust Deniers anyway?

      • freebuckdeer

        I’m very sure there is lots of evidence that Holydomor was deliberate genocide. It don’t seem RL is getting anyone angry. Not competant at doing “his job”.

        • This guy is a jew fake, hes a heeb who is probably contracted to be a “holodomor denier.” I grew up with UKaine people Marqtte pK in the 60’s. they all said the same tning, “Commie jews did us!” dont believe this shitball. case in pont: when i was a teen in the 70’s, a UKrain 60’ish man told me about how the NKVD, a very jewish police force, came and confiscated businesses from Ukrain people, all JEWS!.

        • All right Nazi, you’re banned.

  3. Lafayette Sennacherib

    Gilad Atzmon’s latest essay once more promotes the holodomor myth – the worst genocide in history, perpetrated by jews. I wish he’d get his head write.

    Like Observer I too am still looking for this documentary evidence of the ‘real Holocaust’, the one that matters, the one where the people that matter got a hard time – not the other 24 million or so jerks but the you-know-whos. I love this thing where, when it comes to the HOLOCAUST (stand and salute), it’s proven beyond doubt because the Germans documented everything because they’re obsessive wire-rimmed spectacle wearing sadists, but when it comes to the gassings (i.e. the HOLOCAUST (peace be upon her)) the Germans didn’t document anything and spoke in euphemisms. Cunning bastards.

  4. Marina_Ukraine

    I think in todays language, we should refer to them as Nazis, rather than Germans, yes, I know they were German, but today the German people are as much ashamed of the Nazis that sprang from their nation as anyone could be. Perhaps in the same way we must say Muslim extremists and not just say Muslims.

    It what I think, but other people as they wish.

    Sincerely,

    Marina – Ukraine.

  5. Observer

    I guess Slavic peasants will never get any sympathy from tv-addled, ‘pop’-culture Americans until they start buying up more of the media –

    Why would any writer make up stories about the Holocaust? – The Independent

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/why-would-any-writer-make-up-stories-about-the-holocaust-1803275.html

  6. Emmanuel Goldstein

    With the Nazis, researchers have been able to go over their documentation scrupulously and find documents showing that the Nazi leadership was behind the Holocaust, as much as they tried to cover it up with euphemisms.

    I hope this video puts to rest the “Holocaust” myth for you once and for all. If it doesn’t, may God help you:

  7. Eman

    “since supposedly a bunch of Soviet Jews are the ones who “genocided the Ukrainians.””

    Recently released documents prove that to be the case — Soviet Jews intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians because they posed a risk to their collectivize/industrial/urban schemes:

    + “Jewish group objects to ‘Great Famine’ case” (June 15, 2009)

    KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) — A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the “Great Famine” committed in the 1930s.

    The nation’s security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.

    Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was “a farce” to press the case.

    “All organizers of the Great Famine are dead,” he said.

    Last July, the Ukrainian Security Service released a list of high-ranking Soviet state and Communist Party officials — as well as officials from NKVD, the police force of Soviet Russia — that essentially blamed Jews and Latvians responsible for perpetrating and executing the famine because most of the names on the list were Jewish.

    The Ukrainian Jewish Committee called on the secret service to revise the list, which incited interethnic hatred, in order to clear up the “inaccuracy.”

    Feldman believes there is a danger that the “Holodomor Affair” materials are being used for political purposes.

    In late May, security service head Valentin Nalivaychenko claimed at a meeting with representatives of the World Congress of Ukrainians that “Ukraine has collected enough evidence to bring a criminal case regarding the famine, which was artificially created by the Bolshevik regime and caused mass death of citizens.”

    Through the World Congress of Ukrainians, Nalivaychenko turned to leading foreign lawyers with a request to help find out the circumstances connected with preparing and committing the genocide.

    http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit

  8. Lafayette Sennacherib

    I think you’re being unfair to Leuchter, Robert. I’ve never heard even the zionists call him a liar. The usual assessment is that he stepped beyond the boundaries of his competence in some areas, supposedly out of over-enthusiasm arising from innate anti-semitism. I think he himself admits to his mistakes. But not everything he said has been refuted. I read up on all this a while back, but it’s not fresh in my mind. The state of play currently is the argument between Pressac and Germar Rudolf. It would be nice if that argument could be conducted without one side risking imprisonment, and I don’t much like Rudolf, from what little I know about him.
    Personally I don’t rate people as nazis unless they advocate an ethnic supremacist state. I don’t know of any of the more prominent ‘revisionists’ who advocate this, unlike the other side who are rather keen on it, at least in Israel. So, they’re mostly rather right wing – so are most Americans, most Trotskyists even. I don’t think German nationalism is any more reprehensible than the US or British variety.

    • They used to make mincemeat out of that Leuchter guy on alt.revisionism all the time. He’s clearly out of his league. Whether he’s lying or not I have no idea, but he’s just wrong. And I think some of his major contentions were recently proven wrong by some amateur scholar, a family man in the US.

      If you retrospectively support the Nazis in WW2, well, you’re a Nazi. What else are you? The Holocaust Deniers are all supporters of the late Hitlerite regime, correct? Of course they are. Sure they’re all rightwing. Nazis are rightwingers.

      You know why these White nationalists are all Holocaust Deniers? Because they’re all Nazis! They’re all supporters of the former Third Reich state.

      Holocaust Denial is one of the ridiculous and sinister projects around. Don’t you realize what it’s aims are? Deny the Holocaust so we can do it again, and do it right this time.

      • tykoberge

        This thread is just wrong from the beginning! Check your sources my friend on Holodomor! Millions of people die and you are saying “probably and maybe”? I wish that your children never experience the same that happened in Ukraine. You are far from reality when you say that people died in Moscow during that time. Of course people did die, in Moscow, in NYC, just in other parts of the world, but Moscow was the one to create Holodomor. Check your sources! When you are talking about millions of starved to death people, you check your sources!

    • Prole

      Robert,

      First of all, relax. Your virtually always a decent guy, even when you disagree with others.

      Secondly, calling everyone a “Nazi” who questions the ‘holocaust’ is being a bit overreactive, to say the least. What if everyone who calls those who disagree with the dimensions and numbers of Soviet mass-murder a “Commie”…, or an ‘anti-Slavic bigot’…, or ‘a supporter of the late Stalinist regime’…’ or, even better a Soviet (H)olocaust (D)enier (all capitalized, no less).

      Would that be fair, even though many of these people may indeed be all of those things?

      Some people really are looking to get to the facts of the matter, especially considering what is at stake for the world (especially the persecuted Palestinians) with the Jewish-favorable interpretation of their holocaust. As even Jewish professor Norman Finklestein says: “There ain’t no business like Shoah business”.

  9. John Kil

    Robert, the Third Reich was the ONLY major Western nation to fight the evil, parasitic Jew in the entire 20th century. The British Empire, the U.S., the USSR before 1945, all owned by the Jew bankers you seem to love so much. Personally, I can’t have sympathy for a people who pretty much control this corrupt, degenerate USA and are now pushing for a war of genocide against Persians.

  10. John Kil

    Before you get all teary-eyed over the Jews’ persecution, remember that they consider all non-Jews goyim, or cattle. They would like to do to the rest of the world what they did to Russia after 1991, when kike oligarchs such as Berzovsky looted the post-Soviet Russian economy and moved their wealth to Israel and London.

  11. make

    the Holodomor in Ukraine was NOT fake. It was not a “famine harvest”. if russians have been trying to destroy Ukrainian exsistence since the 17th century why would they not be responsible for the famine? there is living proof that russian communist activists came to ukrainian villages took everything not just all of the food, but all their belongings. the only way someone would survive was if they hid food from the activists. there is also living proof that the russian soviet soldiers patrolled villages and checking for dead bodies as well as spying on villagers to see if they had any hidden food. and another thing, ukraine used to be the bread basket of Europe, everyone had something to eat, with such a good life why would someone burn THEIR OWN CROPS?!! thats retarded! i could go on forever about this
    review your sources or stop making SHIT UP!

    • heg

      and another thing, ukraine used to be the bread basket of Europe, everyone had something to eat, with such a good life why would someone burn THEIR OWN CROPS?!! thats retarded! i could go on forever about this review your sources or stop making SHIT UP!

      ===
      heg: Ukraine did not use to be the breadbasket. Ukraine IS the breadbasket of east Europe. You can NOT have a “naturel famine” in a breadbasket!!!

      A COLLECTION OF REPORTS On BOLSHEVISM IN RUSSIA 1917-1920

      http://jewise.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/a-collection-of-reports-on-bolshevism-in-russia-1917-1920/

      The highest worldly power you can get is to control the state. And it’s the elite that controls the state. What the jews did in Russia 1917 was that they took the phone book, because if you could afford a phone in Russia 1917 you was the elite.

      What the jews did then was to go to every single name in the phone book, take man, wife, all your children, uncles and aunts and take you to the forest and shot you in the back of the head into massgraves. The jews more or less killed the entire old russian elite over night.

      What the jews did next was that the jews moved into the now empty houses of the old russian elite, hence the jews replaced the old russian elite with a New Jew Elite, hence the jews was now the elite that ruled Soviet-Russia.

      Communism is a jew fraud. Communism is an updated quick version of the jews talmud judaism.

      • heg

        This is what the jews do to America:

        Justice Department Statistics About Black On White Race Violence
        ‘The Race War Of Black Against White’ by Paul Sheehan
        The Sydney Morning Herald , Australia, 20 May 1995
        The longest war America has ever fought is the Dirty War, and it is not over. It has lasted 30 years so far and claimed more than 25 million victims. It has cost almost as many lives as the Vietnam War. It determined the result of last year’s congressional election.

        Yet the American news media do not want to talk about the Dirty War, which remains between the lines and unreported. In fact, to even suggest that the war exists is to be discredited. So let’s start suggesting, immediately.

        No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 years a large segment of black America has waged a war of violent retribution against white America.

        And the problem is getting worse, not better. In the past 20 years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the population. Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young whites.

        Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves, have not been reported in America:

        • According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

        • Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims”, published in 1993.

        • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

        • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

        • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

        These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960’s, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement.

        Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.

        When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse).

        When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II.

        All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist by the American news media. It prefers to maintain a paternalistic double-standard in its coverage of black America, a lower standard.

        http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

      • Helga Hegly

        Pray tell, Uncle Hegxter, what did they do to the Jews who were in the phone book?

      • Helga Hegly

        Please don’t keep me waiting, Uncle Hegxter.

      • Helga Hegly

        Uncle Hegxter, you forgot to tell me what happened to the Jews in Russia in 1917.

    • tykoberge

      Spot on, make!

  12. Are we to believe that only one person has managed to plumb unheard depths of genocide denial all by himself?

    How is that argument working for you?

    “Not 10 million” – you are probably right since Duranty and the Italian Consulate in Ukraine estimated it as closer to 14 million.

    http://genocidecurriculum.org/curriculum-resources/general-archive/united-states-congressional-commission-on-the-ukrainian-famine/1report-to-congress/cover-page-3/

    “Not Genocide” – hmm, that is a tough row to hoe given that the fellow that coined the term “genocide” said that the Holodomor was a “classic case” of genocide (and yes, he was Jewish).

    http://www.holodomoreducation.org/news.php/news/4

    “Not only Ukrainians” – Right you are again. The Russians in fact did commit genocide against other groups like the Amish and Mennonites who fought with the Ukrainians against the Bolshevic monsters.

    http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/order/nd_sd/vossler2.html

    BTW, there were a disproportionate number of Jews in the ranks of the genocide troops…

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    …and as the Holodomor raged to its height in the winter of 1932-1933, Hitler took advantage of the hysteria to gain the plurality needed to seize power.

    His Bolshevic Famine posters were the most effective.

  13. nignogger

    I am convinced Lindsay is ‘the chosen.’ Many ‘chosen’ utter ‘holdomor’ denial because the same tribe, as Bolsheveks and Cheka (all the leadership were aetheist jews) performed this genocide. Also, no genocide is one unless its the holohoax. i grew up with ukranian immigrants (70’s and 80’s)and all these males, many who were ww2 vets, concur one thing: jewish communists deliberatly starved their countrymen. That is why many ukrainans took revenge on these filthy communist jews during ww2 for this reason. Also, many young ukranians joined ss units/wehrmacht polizei units to root/stamp out jewery/communism in the Ukraine. Of course jews like this Lindsay guy and his tribe who control the media and education in US and much of europe will deny and or give little coverage. I took the time to write this because i just finished talking to a 86 yo Ukranian from the old hood and he reinforced the staement of how jews (always khazar communists) ravage his country and its wealth.

  14. Piotr

    Robert Lindsay is most definitely a jew.

    Anyone who defends red filth like Kaganovich in such a beastly and Zionist fashion is. But I am sure he would be the first to froth at the mouth and scream “nutzi, nutzi”, if somebody said that the holohoax/lolocaust is nothing more than a jewish lie and scam.

    “The government did not “confiscate the bountiful harvest.” It was a real problem with the Ukrainians destroying the food and farm animals, so it’s true that the state sent soldiers and agents down there to seize grain before it could be destroyed. ”

    This is quite possibly the most staggeringly idiotic thing I have read in my life. I would love to see which source you pulled this out of (though I suspect that it’s your port, so maybe you shouldn’t answer that question).

    “Not true. As noted, starvation occurred throughout the land. In particular, the Russian regions near the Ukraine had death rates as high as the Ukrainians. If the Ukrainians were specifically targeted for genocide, why was the death rate just as high among the Slavs of the Lower Volga?”

    Russians constituted about 5% of all the deaths of the Holodomor. Ukrainians over 80%. It is stupid to even consider comparing them. Here, try even the first, best source:

    http://www.magtudin.org/Holodomor.pdf

    I mean, it has information, official letters/memos, photos, eyewitness reports etc. no different from what the kikes have about the Holocaust, which you claim to be some sort measure by which you justify that the Holocaust actually did happen in one of your replies to one of the posters here.

    “Not true. There were probably about 5.4 million deaths, most actually due to disease and not starvation. People weakened by lack of food fell prey to disease epidemics, particularly cholera.”

    This is actually retarded. You say they died of disease and not starvation, yet you acknowledge that starvation caused the diseases that killed all these millions of people? So what’s the big fucking difference then???

    Oh, and 5.4 million deaths is indeed nothing compared to 7-10 million. Mm-hm.

    That most definitely is proof that this is not a genocide, huh? I guess that means that if 6 million jews are supposedly wiped out, then it is genocide, or what? I mean, it’s only 0,6 million more.

    “But they seem to have an intellectual hardon for that juicy 10 million dead number.”

    No, that bastardly behaviour is practiced by another particular race of people, though the number they seem to claim is 6 million people.

    And their obssession with this fairytale goes far beyond hardons.

    “Holocaust Denial is one of the ridiculous and sinister projects around. ”

    And yet the jews (including yourself) have the audacity not to recognize either the Armenian or the Ukrainian Genocide. Good God, is it any surprize that you are the most hated race on earth?

  15. Adrian Horodecky

    Despite overwhelming evidence of the Holodomor, Robert Lindsay remains a denier. He may be the most ignorant wannabe revisionist historian on the planet. His unfortunate rant on the denial of the Holodomor must be a cry for help. Let us all pray to Jesus so that He may restore Richard’s mind to its original protozoic proportions.

  16. scott

    6 million jews did not die during ww2. the holocaust as you kikes claim it happened did in fact not happen. get over it ,shut the fuck up, cause no ones cares but you filthy kikes.that is ancient history that i don’t fuckin’ care about.

  17. johnUK

    @Robert Lindsay

    I would make amendments to the points you posted Robert.

    7-10 million estimate 7 million usually referenced based with on an average from the lowest estimate to the highest not based on any real facts with the only evidence being census data that does not take into account deaths due to disease after the civil war, falling birth rate and Ukrainians that listed themselves as Russians.

    Most of the people that died were in the Russia pro-Soviet eastern Ukraine not west that was largely unaffected by the famine, not limited to Ukraine as you say also effected the Volga region and Kazakhstan and effected agricultural centres that’s why Ukraine was hit hard.

    Good harvest areas were preserved to prevent criminals from looting the good harvest and selling it to Ukrainians at massive amount of interest, an economic base to finance the USSR and to feed the USSR. International aid agencies were prevented from entering Ukraine as they were suspected to include foreign agents as we the case with the Red Cross under Wilson during the civil war.

    Important point is that there were near yearly famines since the civil war up until 1933 which did not have a famine again until after WW2.

    Also add Robert the actually origin of the engineered famine narrative is based on the pro-fascist Hearst media and Nazi propaganda which was debunked at the time which was repackaged in the 80’s during Reagan’s anti-Communist crusade with Harvest of Despair based on Robert Conquests Harvest of Sorrows who worked for the British Foreign Offices Information Research De anti-Communist propaganda unit with the eyewitnesses in the film being Nazi collaborators and photos used are mostly of that of the Volga famine and doctored pictures used at the time.

    http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/vv.html

    Volga famine pictures.

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302/thread/1275332918/Povolzhye+Famine+%28Volga+famine+1921-22%29

    Tootles 87 book Fraud, Famine and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard.

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

  18. nignogger

    the Holdomor was a very true event. Here in Chicago, when growing up with immigrant Ukrainina nationals, they all said the same thing: “The Bolshevik Jews from the kremlin came done and did it!” Why do you think Ukraininas joined the germans in wiping out communism/jewish control of the Ukraine? Why do you think the Ukraininas have resentment toward the jews. The Holdomor! The Communist/bolshevik (mostly Khazar jews) leadership deliberately starved millions of Ukrainian kulaks because they would not submit to collectivization and agricultural wealth transfer to the jewish communists (and many cases lining their own pockets). The Ukrainian leaders/politicians were rounded up and shot by the jewish run NKVD and the rest of the populace starved out of existence. Hunger was so bad that mothers ate unborn fetuses. Mao Tse Dong did this in china in the 50’s, learning from jewish commisars sent there in the 50’s. Same events like this happened in African nations; starving african nigs into strvation; deliberatly. Some of the graves of murdered ukrainina nationals and leaders discovered years later during and after WW2 were blamed on the “nazis’ by the jewish run media ( shit like Katyn forest lie hyped by the jews saying “Nazis did it!”) We know now the jews controlling the media lied (katyn)to us for 50-60 years. This Linsday guy who runs this website is obviously a jew who is protecting his tribes’ crimes during that era. He is a “Holdomor Denier!” His facts in holdomor denial supporting sound factual, but many are slanted/ are easily disproven. Their was no widespread wheat rust in the 30’s, some happened in the early 20’s. Farm animals were killed because of pending stealing/confiscation by the bolsheviks How many starved? Hard to say because of poor recoreds. 3-7 million. Some estimates as high as 10 million. Remember, Communist jewry and their tyranny in USSR killed almost 50 million russians/christians from 1917-1986.

    • Wade in MO

      “Why do you think the Ukraininas have resentment toward the jews”

      The Ukrainians hated the jews long before the time when the Holodomot was supposed to have occured.

      • Santoculto

        Ukrainians hate jews as well other central and oriental europeans just because as always happen, jews, on average, act like jews, like a predators of ”ordinary” people, their position as ”intermediary” between ”elites” and ”people”.

  19. nignogger

    hello, “Wade in MO”, yes there was resentment toward the Khazar Jews by ukranian nationals/citizen since the middle ages, Why? What do you think? Their swindling (their likes, like your buddies madoff, rothstien (FL ponzier), millkin/boesky, schwartz (tyco CFO), enron (forgot the jews’ cfo’s name, sounds german but he is a jewboy); promotion of homosexuality, child molestation, relaxed criminal puishment, fiat money, attack on christanity, sexual perversion : SHALL I GO ON!
    The Russian Czars in 1700 instituted the Khazarian Jews (unsemetic) to go to the Pale of Settlement area of Belarus (Pripet Marshes); kind of a aparthied policy like white did to blacks in US and South Africa; “YOu Jews keep your cultural filth and finacial crimes in your own community!.” Like White Aparthied was a way with whites to keep black crime, violence and drugs away from white communities. It has been long ago, but in mein kampf, Adolphs book, he did address issues surrounding jewish usury on the russian/european nations and how wars were foughtbecause of this. hell, the christan church banned usury in the middle ages, the jews changed that thru WARS. (Filthy jew scum!) men had to die? cuz of jewmoney!

  20. Truth Sayer

    Some interesting history:

    Lets see how they owned the media and the banks (simple version):

    1649: Jews finance Cromwell’s beheading of Charles I. Cromwell reciprocates by allowing Jews to return to England.

    1694: William of Orange, King of England, asks Jews for financial help to keep the Stuarts at bay. Jews issue bank notes on interest to William of Orange and first central bank has its beginnings…. See More

    1697: London Stock Exchange becomes the world’s largest “purse.” Twelve ruling seats are reserved for Jews only.

    1750: The Jew, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, becomes prime money lender to the Crown. The House of the Red Shield is established.

    1753: King George II, a pawn of Mayer Rothschild and Amsterdam Jewish bankers, passes a Naturalization Bill allowing Jews to become British subjects.

    1808: Napoleon becomes master of Europe. He issues a decree which the Jews termed the Decret Infame (Infamous Decree). The Decret Infame placed many justifiable restrictions on the Jews. Jews plan their revenge.

    1814: The Battle of Waterloo signifies the end of Napoleon’s heroic anti-Jewish rule & the Christian domination of Europe. Both James Rothschild of France and Nathan Rothschild of England finance Wellington’s victory over Napoleon at Waterloo.

    1815: James & Nathan Rothschild order European rulers to assemble at the Congress of Vienna. The Rothschilds draft a plan that would make it impossible for another Napoleon to rise to power by creating a European “balance of power.”

    ~ Thus if one European nation became too powerful, the other nations would rally and attack it. This meant that a nation that the Jews considered their enemy, would undergo punitive measures from Jewish “pawns.”

    1848: Jews demand that the Gentiles turn over their property to them through the book The Communist Manifesto written by Rothschild-agent, Karl Marx.

    1890: The largest munitions factory in the world, Vickers of England, is established by the Rothschilds. The stage is set for the Rothschild’s engineering of World War I and all future wars.

    1906: Guglielmo Marconi’s invention of the radio is marketed and taken over by the Jew, David Sarnoff. Sarnoff establishes the Marconi Company in England and RCA in America. Thus begins the Jewish control of the media.

    1910: Jews take over the office of Minister of Finance throughout Europe. Louis Klotz becomes Minister of Finance of France; Michael Luzzati of Italy; Bernhard Dernburg of Germany; Rufus Isaacs of England; and Djavid Bey of Turkey. All Jews.

    1914: The Vickers Munitions Company, owned by the Rothschilds, engineers World War I.

    1916: Germany is winning the war. Zionist Jew, Chaim Weizmann invents a deadly poisonous gas and promises England its use and American intervention if they will support Zionism. Prime Minister Lloyd George accepts the offer.

    1917: Lord Balfour makes formal Lloyd George’s capitulation to Weizmann in a letter to Lord Rothschild known as The Balfour Declaration. The Zionist theft of Arab lands is made “official.”

    1919: Jews insure Germany’s humiliation with their Treaty of Versailles. The Jew Bernard Baruch advises Wilson at the conference. The Jew Phillip Sassoon, the Parliamentary Private Secretary, advises Lloyd George. The Jew, Georges Mandel, (aka Louis Rothschild), French Minister of the Interior, advises Georges Clemenceau…………………………………….

    Goes on and on and on in much more detail.

    Shall we get into their involvment behind the scenes in the Boer Wars (and the Rothschild funded rape of South Africa), WWI, the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, the Holodomor Holocaust of Armenian Christians by the jewish ‘Young Turks’, WW2, the King David Hotel Bombings, the illegal creation of israel and illegal confiscation of Palestine, the SS Liberty, JFK assassination, Hendrik Verwoerd assassination, Rhodesia’s stab in the back by zionists, 9/11 etc…etc…???

  21. Truth Sayer

    FROM THE JEWISH HOLY BOOK
    THE TALMUD
    Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer, Directory of Intereligious Activities of the American Jewish Committe wrote concerning the role of the Talmud in Judaism: “The Talmud consists of 63 books of legal, ethical and historical writings of the ancient rabbis. It was edited five centruies after the brith of Jesus. It is a compenduim of Law and Lore. It is the legal code which forms the Basis of Jewish Religious Law , and it is the Textbook used in the training of Rabbis.”
    “The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe-whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, or merely spasmodic sentimentalists-we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.” – Herman Wouk, This is My God.
    ____________________
    Nedarim, 23a-23b: “And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, every vow which I make in the future shall be null (1). (His Vows are then invalid) providing that he remembers this at the time of the vow.” (A footnote relates:”…The Law of Revocation in advance was not made public.)”
    Baba Mezia, 114b “The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.”
    Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b: “The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs.”
    Zohar (I, 160a):”Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Cezkia]: ‘He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel , and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them. ‘Rabbi Chezkia asked, ‘How must we fight against them?’ Rabbi Jehuda said, ‘By wise counsel thou shalt war against them’ (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6). By what kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau – by deceit and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them.”
    Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan 9ruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348. “A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.”

    Babha Bathra (54 b): “All things pertaining to the Goim are like a desert; the first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own.”

    Midrasch Talpioth, p 225, Warsaw 1855: “Even though God created the non-Jew they are still Animals in human form. It is not becoming of a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form.”
    Schene luchoth haberuth, p 250b: “Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew as a monkey to a human.”
    Coschen Hamischpat 405: “A pregnant non-jew is no better than a pregnant animal.”
    Babha Kama: “The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi by saying: ‘I gave something to your father, but he is dead; you must return it to me,’ as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying.”
    Schulchan Aruch, Jore Dia. “A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself; but he must take care that he is not found out, so that Israel may not suffer.”
    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Via 17.”A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.”

    Abhodah Zarah, 22b: “Why are the Goim unclean? Because they were not present at Mount Sinai . For when the serpent entered into Eve he infused her with uncleanness. But the Jews were cleansed from this when they stood on Mount Sinai; the Goim, however, who were not on Mount Sinai were not cleansed.”

    Midrasch Talpioth (fol. 225d): “God created them [Jews] in the form of men for the glory of Israel . But Akum were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him.”
    Biur Hetib, a commentary on the Schulchan Arukh: “A woman must wash herself again if she sees any unclean things, such as a dog, an ass, or People of the Earth; a Christian (Akum), a camel, a pig, a horse, and a leper.
    Ereget Raschi Erod, 22 30: “The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture says to honor the dog more than the non-Jew.”

    Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b: “If you eat with a non-Jew it is the same as eating with a dog.”

    Jore Dea 377: “If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: “God will replace ‘your loss’, just as if one of his animals had died.”

    Boda Sarah 37a. “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”

    Shas. 2:2. “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.”

    Maimonides, Jak. Chasaka 2:2. “A Jew may misuse the non-Jewess in her state of unbelief.”

    Sepher Ikkarim III c 25: “It is permitted to take the body and life of a gentile.”

    Coschen Hamischpat, Hagah 425: “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.”

    Bammidber raba c 21 & jalkut 772: “Every Jew who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.”

    Aruch Hoszen Haniszpat 227. “The Jews are strictly Forbidden to cheat their brothers and it is considered cheating already if one sixth of the value has been taken away from him. Whoever has cheated his brother has to return it to him. Naturally all that only holds towards the Jew, to cheat a goy he is permitted and he is not permitted to return to him what he cheated him out of. Because the Bible says: ‘Thou shalt not cheat thy next brother,’ but the non-Jews are not our brethren, but as mentioned above, worse than dogs.”

    Choschen Hammischpat (183, 7): “If you send a messenger to collect money from an Akum and the Akum pays too much, the messenger may keep the difference. But if the messenger does not know about it, then you may keep it all yourself.”

    Babha Kama: “It is permitted to deceive a Goi.”

    Tosefta, Erabin VZZ, 1. “On the house of the goy one looks as on the fold of cattle.”

    Chuichan Qruch, Orach ChaiD 539. “At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of business is forbidden. But it is permitted to cheat a goy, because cheating of goyim at any time pleases the Lord.”

    Choschen Hamm. (156, 5 Hagah): “If a Jew is doing good business with an Akum it is not allowed to other Jews, in certain places, to come and do business with the same Akum. In other places, however, it is different, where another Jews is allowed to go to the same Akum, lead him on, do business with him and to deceive him and take his money. For the wealth of the Akum is to be regarded as common property and belongs to the first who can get it. There are some, however, who say that this should not be done.”

    Choschen Hamm. (183, 7 Hagah): “If a Jew is doing business with an Akum and a fellow Israelite comes along and defrauds the Akum, either by false measure, weight or number, he must divide his profit with his fellow Israelite, since both had a part in the deal, and also in order to help him along.”

    Iore Dea (159, 1): “It is permitted, according to the Torah, to lend money to an Akum with usury. Some of the Elders, however, deny this except in a case of life and death. Nowadays it is permitted for any reason.”

    Babha Kama: “Our teaching is as follows: When a Jew and a Goi come into court, absolve the Jew, if you can, according to the laws of Israel . If the Goi wins, tell him that is what our laws require. If however, the Jew can be absolved according to the gentile law, absolve him and say it is due to our laws. If this cannot be done proceed callously against the Goim, as Rabbi Ischmael advises. Rabbi Akibha, however, holds that you cannot act fraudulently lest you profane the Name of God, and have a Jew commited for perjury.” A marginal note, however, explains this qualification of Rabbi Akibha as follows: “The name of God is not profaned when it is not known by the Goi that the Jew has lied.”

    Pesachis F. 113B. “When you go to war do not go as the First, but as the last, so that you may return as the first. Five things has Kanaan recommended to his sons: ‘Love each other, love the robbery, hate your masters and never tell the truth.’ ”

    Pesachim (49b) “Rabbi Eliezer said: It is permitted to cut off the head of an ‘idiot’ [one of the people of the Earth] on the feast of the Atonement when it falls on the Sabbath. His disciples said to him: Rabbi, you should rather say to sacrifice. But he replied: By no means, for it is necessary to pray while sacrificing, and there is no need of prayers when you behead someone.”
    Choschen Hamm. (425, 5): “If you see a heretic, who does not believe in the Torah, fall into a well in which there is a ladder, hurry at once and take it away and say to him ‘I have to go and take my son down from a roof; I will bring the ladder back to you at once’ or something else. The Kuthaei, however, who are not our enemies, who take care of the sheep of the Israelites, are not to be killed directly, but they must not be saved from death.”

    Iore Dea (158, 1): “The Akum who are not enemies of ours must not be killed directly, nevertheless they must not be saved from danger of death. For example, if you see one of them fall into the sea, do not pull him out unless he promises to give you money.”

    Maimonides, in Hilkhoth Akum (X, 1) says: “Do not have pity for them, for it is said (Deuter. VII, 2): Show no mercy unto them. Therefore, if you see an Akum in difficulty or drowning, do not go to his help. And if he is in danger of death, do not save him from death.

    Sanhedrin (74b) Tosephoth: “The sexual intercourse of a Goi is like that of a beast.”

    Kethuboth (3b): “The seed of a Goi is worth the same as that of a beast.”

    Zohar (1, 25b): “Those who do good to the Akum . . . will not rise from the dead.”

    ____________________
    “The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud.” – Michael Rodkinson, in preface of Babylonian Talmud, page XI.

  22. Truth Sayer

    The Russian Revolution was not Russian at all. It was Jewish.

    In 1920, Churchill wrote a full page article for the Illustrated Sunday Herald on 8 February 1920 detailing the Jewish involvement in the revolution.

    “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews…”

    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

    Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust

    [How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and Still Hide It From Us…]

    Archived for Scholarly Study
    From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
    By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor

    As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
    In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
    Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
    When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions.
    But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass starvation.
    All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
    OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
    When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
    During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
    The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
    Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
    While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty. Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
    Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
    Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
    None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state pension.

    A table made up in 1918, by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the
    London Times in Russia, shows at that time there were 384 commissars
    including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians
    and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number 264 had come from
    the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government.

    The six leaders of the revolution
    1. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Real name Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (mixed Jew on his mother’s side, the Blank family).
    2. Leon Trotsky, real name Lev Davidovitch Bronstein (Jewish)
    3. Grigory Yevseevich Zinoviev, real name Ovsei-Gershon Aronovich Radomyslsky, also known under his Jewish name as, Hirsch Apfelbaum, (Jewish)
    4. Anatoly Vasilyevich Lunacharsky (Gentile)
    5. Lev Borisovich Kamenev, born Rosenfeld (Jew)
    6. Yakov Mikhaylovich Sverdlov, (Solomon), (Jew)

    How many Christians did they kill, List?
    First leader of the Cheka secret police? Moses Uritzky. (Jew)

    Soviet Propaganda minister during WWII, Ilya Eherenburg (Jew)
    The one who said, “…The Germans are not human beings…nothing gives us so much joy as German corpses”.

    How many Christian Russians were killed List? Between 20 and 40 million.

    • johnUK

      Margolis who is half Jewish is an anti-Russian bigot who supports anything anti-Russian like cheerleading the Islamic terrorist genocide of Serbs and Russians and support of Bosnian, KLA, Chechen and other separatists in the North Caucasus even supported Canada’s decision to support independent Kosovo and Basayev and Khattabs invasion of Dagestan in 1999 massacring local ethnic groups and causing 30,000 refugees.

      And it is not like he doesn’t know Chechens were being trained in camps in Afghanistan under the Taliban and were training to make chemical weapons as that is the region he reports on.

      I doubt in Margolis original article he made any reference to Jews.

      http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit

  23. Truth Sayer
    WBSG NOTE: The below article is not authored by WBSG, it is a reproduction of a booklet containing a well known-of Interview that shall absolutely shock the average Christian who is unaware of this kind of information. The article contains the text of a most revealing and shocking interview of a Jew by the name of Harold Rosenthal, an influential Jew learned in the Jewish ways and involved in the workings of government in Washington, D.C., explaining the Jewish involvement and cause of the major problems we face today. Mr. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, age 29, the Administrative Assistant to Senator Jacob K. Javits of New York (who was since defeated in the 1980 election) was killed, a month after giving this recorded interview, in an alleged sky-jacking attempt on an Israeli airliner in Istanbul, Turkey, August 12, 1976. Did it have anything to with his revealing sensitive Jewish programs? God knows. We supply it here on our Website because you should know how the Jews think of you, what they plan to do to you, and what they have already accomplished (by 1976―one can but only imagine how far their plans have progressed in the intervening 28 years!). To date (Sep, 2004), I have heard of no refuting of this article (recorded & transcribed in 1976) by Jewish activists, apologists, or so-called watchdog groups. What follows below is the transcript of the July, 1976 interview, preceded by an introduction from Charles A. Weisman, circa June, 1992. Hold on to your seats! ——————————————————————————– The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976 The Hidden Tyranny INTRODUCTION This booklet contains the text of a most revealing and shocking interview of a Jew by the name of Harold Rosenthal, which was conducted in 1976, by a concerned patriot, a Walter White, Jr. Mr. Rosenthal, an influential Jew learned in the Jewish ways and involved in the workings of government in Washington, D.C., explained the Jewish involvement and cause of the major problems we face today. Rosenthal, in exposing certain aspects of the ‘inner invisible world of Jewry’, revealed the modes and tactics Jews have used in destroying Christian civilization and covertly attaining control over our lives and governments. The result has been a ‘hidden tyranny’ upon us like the tyranny waged against the Saints by the red beast system of Revelation referred to as ‘Mystery Babylon’. But how could such a small number of Jews enslave so many people and gain such an overwhelming control over their governments, especially without their being aware of it? The answer to this may be found in Christ’s parable of the unjust steward, which represents Jewry. They are able to prevail in the world despite their ungodly ways because of their cunning and shrewd ways. As Christ said “For the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.” (Luke 16:8) In other words, the Jew, with his worldly mind set, is wiser than God’s Christian people. When you read the words of Mr. Rosenthal the reality of this statement will come to light. This problem was so prevalent and important for us to overcome that Christ had instructed us to “be wise as serpents”. (Matthew 10:16) America and the world is now covered in political, economic, moral and social problems which need to be acted upon by Christian people. As Edmund Burke stated: “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” But before we can properly act we need a proper (not just a superficial) understanding of the problem. This booklet will help provide the reader with that understanding. Charles A. Weisman June, 1992 ——————————————————————————– In a highly confidential interview with a Jewish administrative assistant to one of this nation’s ranking senators, he said, “It is a marvel that the American people do not rise up and drive every JEW out of this country.” The Jew, Mr. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, made this statement after admitting Jewish dominance in all significant national programs. He said, “We Jews continue to be amazed with the ease by which Christian Americans have fallen into our hands. While the naive Americans wait for Khrushchev to bury them, we have taught them to submit to our every demand.” Asked how a nation could be captured without their knowing it, Mr. Rosenthal attributed this victory to absolute control of the media. He boasted of Jewish control of ALL NEWS. Any newspaper which refused to acquiesce to controlled news was brought to its knees by withdrawing advertising. Failing in this, the Jews stop the supply of news print and ink. “It’s a very simple matter,” he stated. Asked about men in high political office, Mr. Rosenthal said that no one in the last three decades has achieved any political power without Jewish approval. “Americans have not had a presidential choice since 1932. Roosevelt was our man; every president since Roosevelt has been our man.” In a discussion about George Wallace, Mr. Rosenthal smiled and suggested that we note where Wallace stands today. When the U.S. foreign policy was mentioned, the bedroom confidence of the interview was all but set aside. With disdain and mockery he sneered at the American stupidity in failing to see through the entire scope of Kissinger’s foreign policy. “It is Zionist-Communist policy from beginning to end. Yet the citizens think this Jewish policy will benefit America.” He cited “detente” and Angola as examples of Jewish diplomacy. The credulous nature of Americans drew only contempt from him. The interview continued on an almost omniscient plane. “We Jews have put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we promote both sides of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eye’s fixed on the issues, they fail to see who is behind every scene. We Jews toy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse.” As the conversation went on into the late hours, one could sense that perhaps America deserves the reign of terror being planned for her. The Jewish mind pits every ethnic group against the other. “The blood of the masses will flow as we wait for our day of world victory,” Mr. Rosenthal said coldly. For hours after this incredible discussion, a sense of inadequacy prevailed. Is it possible that another group of “human being” could be so treacherous in spirit, so evil in intent? Yet, the words heard and the evidence at hand are real. Is it possible that the American people can remain docile, even while their life’s blood is being drained from them? It seems so. JAVITS, Jacob Koppel, 1904-1986. Late Senator, N.Y. Harold W. Rosenthal, died at (29) Aug 12, 1976. Adm. Assist. to Sen. Javits. WHAT DOES ALL THIS SAY TO US? Since what you have just read plus the lengthy interview that followed, Mr. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, age 29, the administrative assistant to Senator Jacob K. Javits of New York was killed in an alleged sky-jacking attempt on an Israeli airliner in Istanbul, Turkey, August 12, 1976. It would appear that Mr. Rosenthal might have “talked too freely” because although four people were killed and some 30 injured during the sky-jacking attempt, Rosenthal was not killed by a random bullet as were the others. From reports secured at the time, it seems amazing and strange that of all the people involved in this incident Mr.. Rosenthal should have been fatally wounded. Meanwhile, I Walter White who conducted this confidential interview, can now state after much investigation, expense and travel, that Harold Rosenthal was undoubtedly murdered at the Istanbul Airport, in what was to appear as a hijacking probably by his own people We had no desire to hurt anyone and especially members of the Rosenthal family who had suffered enough in this tragedy. We corresponded with his mother and father in Philadelphia and his brother Mark David Rosenthal who is attending college in Northern California. In fact, it was he who advised me that Harold’s friends in Washington had set up a memorial fund in Harold W. Rosenthal’s name. He sent us a copy of “The Harold W. Rosenthal Fellowship in International Relations” American Jewish committee, Washington Chapter, 818-18th street N.W. Washington, D.C. 20006. It lists some of the “who’s who” and the honorary Co-Chairmen are Vice President Walter F. Mondale and Senator Jacob K. Javits. Out of respect, we decided to wait until a year had passed since the death of Harold Wallace Rosenthal so we delayed publishing everything he gave us on the memorable day and evening. And as stated before, the interview was lengthy as he seemed to enjoy pouring out this information and at times it was broken and went on into the evening. This writer and editor is not easily shocked but as this egotist Harold W. Rosenthal raved on and on I found so much of what he said actually horrifying the actual betrayal of which he admittedly was a part and he appeared to gloat over the apparent success of a Jewish World Conspiracy. This, mind you, comes form an “administrative assistant” to one of our ranking Senator’s Jacob K. Javits of New York. What you are about to read should act as a WARNING to all non-Jews throughout the world. It hopefully should open the eyes of many who knew him in Washington government circles. It becomes indeed obvious that what he discloses is not fiction. It is not imagination! He was not pretending as he spoke with knowledge and intelligence. Many things have been said and written about the One World Jewish Conspiracy but never has it been described so openly. It staggers the imagination. Their plans are shocking and many will be astonished at the contents of this document. NOTHING like it has ever been told before. We prefer not to elaborate. You be the judge. Looking back to the time of this interview and having had time to analyze Harold Rosenthal’s candidness, we are compelled to think of him as a conceited, boastful yet very knowledgeable person. I would classify him as an egotist and a egoist. At times his cruelty surfaced with a venom, especially as he describes the STUPID CHRISTIANS or “goys” as he so often referred to “us.” This surprised me because the word “goy” is not in our language and he must have known this. His mind was thoroughly immersed in the ONE-WORLD PLAN of World Jewry. With arrogance, he boasted that the Jew’s conquest of the world was almost complete thanks to Christian stupidity. When asked if he was a Zionist, Mr.. Rosenthal replied: “That’s a hell of a question! At the foundation of the issue the traditional Zionist concept of aliyah, a Hebrew term meaning the ‘in gathering’ or return of Diaspora (dispersed Jews) Jews to the Palestine homeland. Ever since 1948 and the creation of the State of Israel, aliyah has become a basic imperative of Israeli government policy.” What is aliyah? Will you please spell it for me? He did so and we inquired as to the realistic meaning of aliyah. Mr.. Rosenthal said: “It is a permanent physical migration to Palestine, not just a visit. “We asked, what is Zionism? I’ve heard Jews define it as anything from permanent migration to financial spiritual support of Israel from around the world. Mr. Rosenthal replied: “Our first leader, former Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, said that Zionism without a ‘return to Zion’ is phony. Not many American Jews migrate permanently to Israel. Some say that all Jews, by definition, are Zionists. Others say that a Jew is not a Zionist unless he’s a member who pays dues to an actively Zionist organization. Definitions have been tossed everywhere since the Jewish homeland became a reality.” Millions of tax-exempt American dollars are sent to Israel yearly and we true American do not like this Mr. Rosenthal replied: “the naive politicians in Washington are gullible. Most of them are not to bright so the powerful Jewish lobbyists influenced this practice years ago and there is no one strong enough to stop it. Some of the money is even returned to the United States and spent on Zionist propaganda efforts, much of it through the B’nai B’rith and the Conference of Jewish Organizations and the World Jewish Congress. The Jewish Agency is a funding arm, a sort of body of B’nai B’rith officials. There is nothing wrong with sending American dollars to Israel tax-free so long as we are smart enough to get away with it. Let’s reverse this conversation for a minute. You made it clear and quite vociferously, that you don’t like Jews. Why do you hate us?” Mr. Rosenthal I do not hate anybody. I said I hate what the Jews are doing to us and especially as it relates to any and everything related to Christianity. I hate their deceit, trickery, cunning and their detestable dishonesty. Does that make me anti-semitic? If it does then I am anti-semitic!! “Anti-Semitism does not signify opposition to Semitism. There is no such thing. It is an expression we Jews use effectively as a smear word used to brand as a bigot, like you guys, anyone who brings criticism against Jews. We use it against hate-mongers.” It was made clear that I despised the Jews corruptive influence on our Christian culture and on our properly Christ-oriented American way of life, to which Mr. Rosenthal said: “During Christ’s time, the Jews were seeking a material and earthly kingdom but Christ offered the Jews a spiritual kingdom. This, they couldn’t buy, so they rejected Jesus Christ and had him crucified.” What do you mean had him crucified? Doesn’t history prove that the Jews crucified Jesus Christ? To which he answered: “Yes, I guess they did. I don’t beat around the bush but 2,000 years ago your people would have done the same thing to a man who mistreated them as Christ did the Jews.” You speak of Jesus Christ as merely a man. “That’s all he was a man who walked on the Earth like any other man and this myth about Christ rising from the dead and returning to Earth to visit with his disciples is a bunch of crap. The Jews who drove the Arabs out of Palestine did so to disprove Christ’s mission for a spiritual kingdom. You see, instead of a leader who would make an empire for the Jews, your kind of people gave the Jews a peaceful preacher called Christ who instead of an eye-for-an-eye turns the other cheek. Rubbish! We are building and, in fact, have built an earthly empire without your kind and your disappointing Messiah.” I can see that it is you and your kind who try to get Christ out of Christmas. I feel sorry for you… to which he quickly replied: “Don’t give me that shit. I don’t want your pity. I don’t need it! Too many Jews do not have the guts to tell you how we live and plan, but I am not intimidated by anyone or anything. I know where I’m going.” We asked why do Jews frequently change their names he said: “Jews are the most intelligent people in the world so if it benefits them to change their name they do so. That’s all there is to it. They mix in your society which is plenty corrupt so while the Jews are benefiting themselves the the dumb goy doesn’t realize that these Jews with non-Jew names are Jews. I know what you are thinking about Jews in government who use non-Jew names. Well don’t be concerned because in the foreseeable future there will be no Presidential power in the United States. The invisible government is taking strength in that direction.” To your knowledge, are the Jews in Russia really persecuted or are they given any kind of freedom? To which he said: “Most Jews throughout the world I’d say more than 90%, know what is really happening to our people. We have communication unequalled anywhere. It is only the jerks, the ignorant and misinformed and degenerates who can find peace in your society and you bastards hide your sins by donning sheep’s clothing. You are the hypocrites not the Jews, as you say and write about. To answer your question in Russia, there are two distinct governments one visible and the other invisible. The visible is made up of different nationalities, whereas the invisible is composed of ALL JEWS. The powerful Soviet Secret Police takes its orders from the invisible government. There are about six to seven million Communist in Soviet Russia, 50% are Jews and 50% are gentiles, but the gentiles are not trusted. The Communist Jews are united and trust each other, while the others spy on one another. About every five to six years the secret Jewish Board calls for the purge of the party and many are liquidated. When asked “why”? he said: “Because they begin to understand too much about the Jewish secret government. Russian Communists have a Secret Group Order which consists of Jews only. They rule over everything pertaining to the visible government. It was this powerful organization that was responsible for the secret removal of the center of Communism to Tel Aviv from where all instructions now originate.” Does our government and the United Nations have knowledge of this? He replied: “The United Nations is nothing but a trap-door to the Red World’s immense concentration camp. We pretty much control the U.N.” When asked why the Communist destroy the middle class or educated and their entire families when they invade a country Mr. Rosenthal replied: “It is an established rule to destroy all members of pre-existing government, their families and relatives, but never Jews. They destroy all members of the police, state police, army officers and their families but never Jews. You see, we know when a government begins to search for the Communists within its borders they are really attempting to uncover Jews in their area. We’re not fooled! The invisible rulers in the Communist countries have a world control over the propaganda and the governments in free countries. We control every media of expression including newspapers, magazines, radio and television. Even your music! We censor the songs released for publication long before they reach the publishers. Before long we will have complete control of your thinking.” The way you boast, if this is true, it is frightening to think about our future, and that of Christianity, to which Mr. Rosenthal said: “There will be a forced class warfare here in the United States and many will be liquidated. You will unquestionably be among them. The Jews will not be harmed. I’m not boasting! I’m giving you the facts! And it is too late for your Christian followers to put up a defense. That time is long past. Long, Long Ago we had to become the aggressors!! That is undoubtedly one of our great purposes in life. We are aggressors!! Because you stole your pretended religious beliefs from our Talmud.” After reminding him that we thought he was intelligent but now realize that he doesn’t know what he was talking about he replied: “Judaism is the unequaled culture — with nothing, nothing anywhere in the world to compare with it. Your so-called Christianity is an outgrowth of Judaism. The cultural and intellectual influence of Judaism is felt throughout the entire world — yes, throughout civilization.” When I asked whether he thought we faced a problem eventually with the Blacks because of their startling population increase he said that the Blacks are helping to serve ‘our purpose’ which might mean several things. We discussed the Black invasion of city, county and state and their prominence now in television. Also how ridiculous it is for Blacks to become converted to Jews — like Sammy Davis for instance. Mr. R. replied: “That doesn’t mean anything. We know that a Black cannot become a Jew and that Sammy Davis is still Black. It may have been to his advantage to become converted. In reality he still remains a nigger and not a Jew.” I told him of my in-depth study of the Jews and that there were few who have done more research on world Jewry than I — and about my unpleasant discoveries — reminding Mr. R. that there is no morality among Jews. He replied: “Money is more important than morality. We can accomplish anything with money. Our people are proving that in Israel where its strength against attack is its permanent state of war readiness. Israel can now win in any encounter. The kibbutz-raised intellectual elements are going to build that small country into a mid-east wonderland. It will also eventually be the base for World Government Headquarters.” (Talmudic Judaism is a religion of Jewish world control and slavery.) We discussed the tragedy of Watergate and corruption at all levels of government and suggested that government representatives practice more openness and candor in dealing with the people. Mr. R. said: “What good would it do? What the hell does the public know about the running of government. The great majority are asses — horses asses!!” May we quote you on that? “I don’t care: what you do — as I said, few have the guts to speak out. We would all have better understanding between each other — Jews and gentiles — if we spoke out more openly. Your people don’t have guts. We establish your thinking — we even place within you a ‘guilt complex’ making you afraid to criticize Jewry openly.” The Jewish Belief and Religion In the quietness of this enlightening conversation it became clear that the understanding poured forth did not come from a novice. Mr. Rosenthal was asked how Jews gain acceptance so easily among other races. His answer was long and thorough. “At a very early date, urged on by the desire to make our way in the world, Jews began to look for a means whereby we might distract all attention from the racial aspect. What could be more effective, and at the same time more above suspicion, than to borrow and utilize the idea of a religious community? We’ve been forced to borrow this idea from the Aryans. We Jews never possessed any religious institution which developed out of our own consciousness, for we lack any kind of idealism. This means that a belief in life beyond this terrestrial existence is foreign to us. As a matter of fact, the Talmud does not lay down principles with which to prepare the individual for a life to come, but furnishes only rules for a sumptuous life in this world. It is a collection of instructions for maintaining the Jewish race and regulating: intercourses between us and the goy. Our teachings; are not concerned with moral problems, but rather with how to ‘get.’ (This explains the parasitic nature of Jewish people. Jews never get rich off one another, but seek to ‘get’ the labor and wealth of others.) “In regard to the moral value of the Jews’ religious teaching, there exist quite exhaustive studies which show the kind of religion that we have in a light that makes it look uncanny to the Aryan mind. We are the best example of the kind of product which religious training evolves. Our life is of this world only and our mentality is as foreign to the true spirits of Christianity as our character was to the Founder of this new creed 2,000 years ago. The Founder of Christianity made no secret of his estimation of the Jews and the fact that he was not one of us. When he found it necessary he drove us out of the temple of God, because then, as always, we used religion as a means of advancing our commercial interest.” (The Merchants of Babylon have commercialized our society.) “But at that time, we managed to nail Jesus to the cross for his attitude towards us; whereas, the modern Christians enter into party politics and in order to win elections, they debase themselves by begging for Jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues with us against the interests or their own nation. (These people have been called by various names — scalawags, political prostitutes, carpetbaggers, charlatans, traitors, stooges, pawns, etc.) “We can live among other nations and states only as long as we succeed in persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people, but are the representatives of a religious faith who, therefore, constitute a ‘religious community,’ though this be of a peculiar character. As a matter of fact, this is the greatest of our falsehoods. (The Jews have established five major falsehoods which work to conceal their nature and protect their status and power, to wit: 1) The Jews are Israelites, and thus God’s chosen people; 2) Jesus Christ was a Jew; 3) That 6 million Jews were killed in a holocaust during WW II; 4) That all races are equal, or that all are brothers; and, 5) That the Jews are just another religious group.) “We are obliged to conceal our own particular character and mode of life so that we will be allowed to continue our existence as a parasite among the nations. Our success in this line has gone so far that many believe that the Jews among them are genuine Frenchmen, or Englishmen, or Italians, or Germans who just happen to belong to a religious denomination which is different from that prevailing in these countries. Especially in circles concerned with government, where the officials have only a minimum of historical sense, we are able to impose our infamous deception with comparative ease. Therefore, there is never the slightest suspicion that we Jews form a distinct nation and are not merely the adherents of a ‘confession.’ Though one glance at the press which we control ought to furnish sufficient evidence to the contrary, even for those who possess only the smallest degree of intelligence.” The Money Power When questioned about the ways in which the Jews have gained power, Mr. Rosenthal said: “Our power has been created through the manipulation of the national monetary system. We authored the quotation. ‘Money is power.’ As revealed in our master plan, it was essential for us to establish a private national bank. The Federal Reserve system fitted our plan nicely since it is owned by us, but the name implies that it is a government institution. From the very outset, our purpose was to confiscate all the gold and silver, replacing them with worthless non-redeemable paper notes. This we have done!” When asked about the term ‘non-redeemable notes,’ Mr. Rosenthal replied: “Prior to 1968, the gullible goy could take a one dollar Federal Reserve note into any bank in America and redeem it for a dollar which was by law a coin containing 412 1/2 grains of 90 per cent silver. Up until 1933, one could have redeemed the same note for a coin of 25 4/5ths grains of 90 per cent gold. All we do is give the goy more non-redeemable notes, or else copper slugs. But we never give them their gold and silver. Only more paper,” he said contemptuously. “We Jews have prospered through the paper gimmick. It’s our method through which we take money and give only paper in return.” (The economic problem of America and the world is ultimately a Jewish problem, or as Henry Ford stated: “The Money Question, properly solved, is the end of the Jewish Question and every other question of a mundane nature.” Can you give me a example of this we asked? “The examples are numerous, but a few readily apparent are the stocks and bonds market, all forms of insurance and the fractional reserve system practiced by the Federal Reserve corporation, not to mention the billions in gold and silver that we have gained in exchange for paper notes, stupidly called money. Money power was essential in carrying out our master plan of international conquest through propaganda.” When asked how they proposed doing this, he said: “At first, by controlling the banking system we were able to control corporation capital. Through this, we acquired total monopoly of the movie industry, the radio networks and the newly developing television media. The printing industry, newspapers, periodicals and technical journals had already fallen into our hands. The richest plum was later to come when we took over the publication of all school materials. Through these vehicles we could mold public opinion to suit our own purposes. The people are only stupid pigs that grunt and squeal the chants we give them, whether they be truth or lies.” Mind Control & Conditioning When asked if the Jews felt any threat from the ‘silent majority,’ he laughed at the idea, saying: “There is no such thing as the silent majority because we control their cry and hue. The only thing that exists is an unthinking majority and unthinking they will remain, as long as their escape from our rigorous service is the opiate of our entertainment industry. By controlling industry, we have become the task masters and the people the slaves. When the pressure of daily toil builds to an explosive degree, we have provided the safety valve of momentary pleasure. The television and movie industries furnish the necessary temporary distraction. These programs are carefully designed to appeal to the sensuous emotions, never to the logical thinking mind. Because of this, the people are programmed to respond according to our dictates, not according to reason. Silent they never are; thinking they will remain.” Continuing his thought of Jewish control over the goy, Mr. Rosenthal said: “We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all geldings in nature, their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the future and their posterity, but only with the present toil and the next meal,” Manipulation of Labor & Industry It was obvious that the excitement of Mr. Rosenthal was triggered when mention was made of the nation’s industry. “We have been successful in dividing society against itself by pitting labor against management. (The social-labor movement, employing labor unions, a manipulation of wages and prices, and government regulation of business, was the brainchild of Jews such as Karl Marx and Samuel Gompers. The result was a destruction of free enterprise.) This perhaps has been one of our greatest feats, since in reality it is a triangle, though only two points ever seem to occur. In modern industry where exists capital, which force we represent, is the apex. Both management and labor are on the base of this triangle. They continually stand opposed to each other and their attention is never directed to the head of their problem. Management is forced to raise prices since we are ever increasing the cost of capital. Labor must have increasing wages and management must have higher prices, thus creating a vicious cycle. We are never called to task for our role which is the real reason for inflation, since the conflict between management and labor is so severe that neither has time to observe our activities. It is our increase in the cost of capital that causes the inflation cycle. We do not labor or manage, and yet we receive the profits. Through our money manipulation, the capital that we supply industry costs us nothing. Through our national bank, the Federal Reserve, we extend book credit, which we create from nothing, to all local banks who are member banks. They in turn extend book credit to industry. Thus, we do more than God, for all of our wealth is created from nothing. You look shocked! Don’t be! It’s true, we actually do more than God. With this supposed capital we bring industry, management and labor into our debt, which debt only increases and is never liquidated. Through this continual increase, we are able to pit management against labor so they will never unite and attack us and usher in a debt-free industrial utopia. “We are the necessary element since we expend nothing. Management can create its own capital — the profits. Its business would grow and profits increase. Labor would prosper as well, while the price of the product would remain constant, the prosperity of industry, labor and management would continually increase. We Jews glory in the fact that the stupid goy have never realized that we are the parasites consuming an increasing portion of production while the producers are continually receiving less and less.” The Control Over Religion As the hours rolled on in this intense, but cordial, interview, Mr. Rosenthal exposed his thoughts concerning religion. “Religion, too, must be taught, and through this necessity we have labored. (As the Jew Karl Marx stated: “Religion is the opiate of the people.”) With our control of the text book industry and the news media, we have been able to hold ourselves up as the authorities on religion. Many of our rabbis now hold professorships in supposed Christian theological seminaries. We are amazed by the Christians’ stupidity in receiving our teachings and propagating them as their own. (This is one of the main reasons for the power and the control Jews have attained over white nations — the adopting of Jewish ways. As Henry Ford stated: “The Christian cannot read his Bible except through Jewish spectacles, and, therefore, reads it wrong.” (The International Jew Vol. IV, p. 238). As a result, Christians don’t have God’s word on a certain matter, they have the Jew’s word.) Judaism is not only the teaching of the synagogue, but also the doctrine of every ‘Christian Church’ in America. Through our propaganda the Church has become our most avid supporter. This has even given us a special place in society, their believing the lie that we are the ‘chosen people’ and they, gentiles. “These deluded children of the Church defend us to the point of destroying their own culture. (Jews need not have their finger on every button that causes a destruction or a Judaization of Christian civilization, as in many cases they have their proselytes or “Gentile fronts” to do it for them.) This truth is evident even to the dullard when one views history and sees that all wars have been white fighting white in order that we maintain our control. We controlled England during the Revolutionary War, the North during the Civil War, and England and America during World War I and II. Through our influence of religion we were able to involve the ignorant white Christians in war against themselves which always impoverished both sides while we reaped a financial and political harvest. Anytime truth comes forth which exposes us, we simply rally our forces — the ignorant Christians. They attack the crusaders even if they are members of their own families. (Anyone who has been in the forefront exposing the truth of the Jewish issue can attest to this fact stated by Mr. Rosenthal.) “Through religion we have gained complete control of society, government and economics. No law is ever passed except its merits have previously been taught from the pulpits. An example of this is race equality which led to integration and ultimately to mongrelization. The gullible clergy in one breath instruct their parishioners that we are a special, chosen people while in another breath proclaim all races are the same. Their inconsistency is never discovered. So we Jews enjoy a special place in society while all other races are reduced to racial equality. It is for this reason that we authored the equality hoax, thereby reducing all to a lower level. “We have been taught that our current economic practices are benevolent therefore Christian. These pulpit parrots extol our goodness for loaning them the money to build their temples, never realizing that their own holy book condemns all usury. They are eager to pay our exorbitant interest rates. They have led society into our control through the same practice. Politically, they hail the blessings of democracy and never understand that through democracy we have gained control of their nation. Their book (Notice that Mr. Rosenthal always refers to the Bible as their book — the white people, never as our book or the Jews’ book) again teaches a benevolent despotic form of government in accordance with the laws of that book, while a democracy is mob rule which we control through their Churches, our news media and economic institutions. Their religion is only another channel through which we can direct the power of our propaganda. These religious puppets’ stupidity is only exceeded by their cowardice, for they are ruled easily.” The Light Dawns Rarely does any man confess the intimacy of his soul as did Mr. Rosenthal. Hindsight suggests that there was a greater Force compelling this man to reveal what has been written here. The remainder of the interview seems to confirm this. “Since we do not believe in a life after death, all our efforts are directed to the ‘now.’ We are not as foolish as you and will never adopt an ideology that is rooted in self-sacrifice. Whereas you will live and die for the benefit of the community, we will live and die only for our own individual self. The idea of self- sacrifice is abhorred by Jews. It is abhorrent to me. No cause is worth dying lot since death is the end. The only time we unite is to preserve our individual selves. As a group of wolves unite to attack a prey, but then disperse after each is filled, so we Jews unite when peril is pending, not to preserve our community but to save our own skin. “This attitude permeates our entire being and philosophy. We are not the creators for to create would only benefit another. (The white race has clearly been the creators in terms of inventions, achievements, etc., and by them “all the families (or races) of the world have been blessed (or have benefited from them), as prophesied in Genesis 12:3, 28:14. This proves Jews are not God’s chosen people.) We are the ‘acquirers’ and are interested only in satisfying the ‘self.’ To understand our philosophy understand the term ‘to get.’ We never give but only take. We never labor but enjoy the fruits of others’ labor. We do not create but confiscate. We are not the producers but the parasites. We can physically live within any society, but always remain spiritually apart. To work would be to produce and the highest form of that labor would be to create. Your race has always worked for the satisfaction of what it produces. We would never work for anyone’s benefit, only for what we can get. We have used this Aryan attitude to achieve our greatest prosperity. You will work for the enjoyment you derive out of producing, while never being concerned about the pay. We take your productivity for a paltry fee and turn it into fortunes. “Until recently, the pride of workmanship exceeded the quest for high incomes. However, we have been able to enslave society to our own power which is money, by causing them to seek after it. We have converted the people to our philosophy of getting and acquiring so that they will never be satisfied. A dissatisfied people are the pawns in our game of world conquest. Thus, they are always seeking and never able to find satisfaction. The very moment they seek happiness outside themselves. they become our willing servants. “Your people never realize that we offer them only worthless baubles that can not bring fulfillment. They procure one and consume it and are not filled. They procure one and consume it and are not filled. We present another. We have an infinite number of outward distractions, to the extent that life can not again turn inward to find its definite fulfillment. You have become addicted to our medicine through which we have become your absolute masters. (For this reason Christ said, “beware of the leaven of the Pharisees” (Matt. 16:6). This was a warning against their Talmudic-Babylonian doctrines, which grow in men’s minds and permeates throughout society, until this philosophy finally enslaves them (Col. 2:8).) “On the first and fundamental lie, the purpose of which is to make people believe that we are not a nation but a religion, other lies are subsequently based. Our greatest fear is that this falsehood will be discovered, for we will be stamped out the moment the general public comes into possession of the truth and acts upon it (It is one thing to put a man in possession of the truth, to get him to understand it is another, and to get him to act upon it is another still. Truth by itself has no value unless used or applied in some way.) It is becoming apparent that an awakening is occurring even here in America. We had hoped that through our devastation of Christian Germany that any subject dealing with us would be a fearful taboo. However, there seems to be a resurgence here in the one nation that we so strongly control. We are presently making plans for a rapid exodus. We know that when the light begins to dawn, there will be no stopping it. All efforts on our part will only intensify that light and draw focus upon it. “We fear that light is coming forth in movements across this land, especially yours. It has amazed us how you have been successful in reaching the people after we closed every door of communication. This, we fear, is a sign of a coming pogrom that will take place in America soon. The American public has realized that we are in control, which is a fatal mistake on our part. This nation could never be the land of the free as long as it is the land of the Jew. (This is a concept most patriots cannot understand. Patriots have spent untold man-hours fighting the IRS, the Federal Reserve, the media, Congress or government in general. These things are merely tools which the Jew now uses against the detestable ‘goyim’. The problem is not the tool or device, but the heathen in control of it.) This is the revelation that will be our undoing. “The American people have been easily ruled through our propaganda that the pen is mightier than the sword. We virtually get away with murder, and all the goy do is to talk about it, which is ineffective since we, the masters of propaganda, always publish a contradicting account. If the Aryan would review history and apply those lessons of the past, then the pen will be thrown down in disgust and the sword wielded in the heat of passion. (A recurrence to history would edify our minds and show us that the European countries solved their Jewish problem only by use of force.) Thus far, we have escaped the sword, when the only reprisal is some periodical of no repute, or some pamphlet with limited circulation. Their pen is no match for ours, but our constant fear is that they may open their eyes and learn that no change was ever brought about with a pen. History has been written in blood, not with ink. No letter, editorial or book has ever rallied the people or stopped tyranny. We understand this principle and are continually propagandizing the people to write letters to the President, to Congress and to their local media. We are safe to continually exploit, intimidate and disenfranchise the white American as long as they are preoccupied with the illusion of educating the masses through printed material. Woe be unto us if they ever see the futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword. “History confirms the fact that the passions of an aroused minority, no matter how small a group, have exerted enough power to topple the greatest empire. The movements that control destiny are not those that rest on the inactive majority; but on the sheer force of an active minority. Will is power, not numbers, for a strong Will will always rule the masses!” (In examining the extent of Jewish power and control over America Henry Ford stated this control “can be explained only by the Jewish Will to Power.” The International Jew (1920) Vol. I, p. 210.) “Again, we are safe as long as our Will is stronger, or the Will of the people is misdirected, scattered and without leadership. We will never be deposed with words, only force!” (Would this not be the logical and proper course of action required to rid the land of any type of invader or hostile enemy?) The wisdom of Mr. Harold Rosenthal has been set forth truthfully and accurately. The question now to you is, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO PROTECT THE NATION AND EVERY CITIZEN FROM THE ABOVE POTENTIALS???? Those of us who have been in this battle to save our once great nation for so many years possibly become calloused, not too sensitive to the horrible things going on around us. I must admit however, that the FACTS as conveyed by Harold Wallace Rosenthal have made their impact on this writer. The interview, or perhaps a better word might be confession, has helped to bring to the surface a reality of what we veterans have known for years, but the stark reality of Jewish treachery becomes more shocking when getting it ALL in one package. Mr. Rosenthal, a former influential Jew in his own right, prided himself in being a vital part of the admitted control of the media, and of their invisible government in which no political power is exercised without Jewish approval. Let us also highlight the other key remarks of Mr. Rosenthal: – That the American people have no guts and the Jews sneer at their stupidity. – The Jews’ power through their money and the money power afford them a “master plan” for international conquest through propaganda. – There is in America an “unthinking majority.” – The Jews’ treachery of pitting labor against management. – The Jewish belief that Christ was just another man on the earth. – That Jews are admitted parasites who have gained control of our society, ” government and economies through their religion. – The myth of the Jews being the “chosen people.” – The confessed “big lie” that the Jews are a religion and not a nation. – That the Jews fear being discovered for what they are. We are beginning to uncover the whole conspiracy on the part of the Communists and World Zionism to capture control of our nation, and the Jews and their prostituted media are beginning to admit, as Mr. Rosenthal said, that we have them on the run, Believe us, dear reader, it will be a shock to the Jewish world when this gets into circulation and they discover we have our hands on this ‘first hand’ information from a Jew who was formerly respected in high government office, and it is this Report that could ‘trip the miracle.” If, with your help, we can get this material distributed in the hands of citizens and even in government offices throughout the country, it might help bring about the desired ‘action.’ As you have observed, the Jew conspiracy is to reduce our population to a subservient obedience designed to groom us for a Jew-controlled, international, money-changing dictatorship designed by Jewish-Zionists and Communists. This is occurring and will continue if the American public allows itself to be so subdued. (The ignorance and apathy of the people have been an open invitation to the Jew to ensnare them in their socialist plans.) These One World subverters who have been running our bureaucracy in Washington have permitted over 12,000,000 aliens to come into this country illegally from all the nations of the world including China and Mexico and all nations in between. They are holding jobs which amount to more than the number of people we have unemployed. This manuscript can act as a weapon with which we will open the eyes of the masses. They know something is wrong but they do not know what to do. NOW we can show them. Only by knowing the truth of the problems can a proper course of action be made. Thus the importance of circulating this evidence to tens of thousands is necessary so a victory could be within our grasp. Although it is a lengthy manuscript, its contents will hold the attention of almost any reader. Why? Because it affects every man, woman and child in America. Yes, even throughout the world. IT IS THAT IMPORTANT! There cannot ever be another document of such vital importance. This has to do with life and death truth. The revelations in this document are shocking and unbelievable to the innocent who can scarcely imagine such self-confessed evil ambitions. Mr. Rosenthal appeared to take great pride in being able to disclose some of their inner, untold secrets — all of which unfolds as we listen to every word spoken (mine and his) during the lengthy interview (Walter White’s interview with Harold Rosenthal) which is recorded on cassette tapes as our documentation. The Jewish nation is the enemy of ALL nations. They have already become hysterical since this document was brought to their attention. God save us! And that appeal to God is not an idle gesture. My Christian faith remains intact. “God save our nation,” even if at present we are prisoners of a propaganda monopoly by a handful of subverters and manipulators. We can, with His help, lift the yoke and break the bonds so that our majority by righteous representation, can assert itself in following the freedom under our United States Constitution. Warning There is a risk involved in printing this manuscript. This writer was struck down on March 13, 1978 and badly beaten. But I risked my life before and I shall gladly do it again if only to get this knowledge into the hands of a few million people. The reward that comes to those who stand by the Truth, regardless of the cost, is akin to what our Lord must have experienced when He resisted the devil. After the devil went away, the Scripture says, “Angels came and ministered unto Him.” We are in the final battle. We must do everything possible to “Pass the Word”… including prayer. (God has a plan for a nation to follow to free it from alien captivity — “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble my, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chr. 7:14, also Deut. 30:1-4, I Kings 8:33-34.) At the time of my interview with Mr. Rosenthal, I knew it was powerfully potent and I had an overwhelming confidence in its content to arouse and awaken many who formerly disbelieved. It is interesting how the Rosenthal document confirms the theme of the “Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion .” It might be called “Personalized Protocols — 1979 Edition.” Anyone who does not know that the organized Jew is the instigator of World Communism, of International Zionism, and is in a conspiracy to destroy Christian civilization, is too naive and too ignorant to deal with the problems we face. The Christ-hating Jew who conspires against our Christian Heritage, enjoys nothing better than the conservative who protects the Jew and will talk about everything dangerous to our country except the Hidden Hand of the Jew conspirators, the root of all evil which threatens Christian civilization. (While it is “the love of money” which “is the root of all evil” (I Tim. 6:10), the Jew exhibits far above other peoples, a love of money; and have an instinctive and compelling desire for attaining as much wealth as possible regardless of the means or harm it may cause.) This evil force is the “ANTI-CHRIST,” as revealed in the second letter of John, who says: “He is the Anti-Christ, that denies the Father and the Son.” These Jew protecting conservative Americans are knowingly or unknowingly helping to destroy their own country. As a result — JEWS RULE AMERICA — THEY PLOT TO RULE THE WORLD — WE ARE IN BONDAGE — CAN WE ESCAPE? — YES, BUT ONLY, if the Jew protecting conservatives, who are helping the ANTI-CHRIST ZIONIST to DIVIDE AND CONQUER will learn and accept the TRUTH and be guided by the warnings of OUR SAVIOUR (John 8:44, and Matt. 23:12, etc.), and never think that they know better than He, — and if they will UNITE with REAL Americans who know the TRUTH, in a battle to save our Country, we can escape from the clutches of CHRIST’S WORST ENEMIES — THE ANTI-CHRIST JEWS, for this is ONE of several ways in which our Country can be saved. This means that whosoever forgets or omits the Jewish question, be it through ignorance, or fear, is unfit to be a preacher, teacher or official. This means that every Security risk, ONE WORLDERS ATLANTIC UNION PLOTTER and Alien ANTI-CHRIST ZIONIST, whose loyalty is to another Country, and all of their TRAITOR agents and stooges MUST BE BANISHED BY “REAL” AMERICANS UNITED FROM EVERY POSITION OF POWER AND INFLUENCE IN THIS NATION — AND INSTEAD — PUT NONE BUT REAL AMERICANS ON GUARD” — For this is the way by which our Country started, and thus the way it can be saved. The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976 Part Two The Hidden Tyranny “Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer.” The above is an exact quote of Harold Wallace Rosenthal, former top Administrative Aide to the then Senator Jacob Javits, who was since defeated in the 1980 election. I, Walter White, Jr., for the past 17 years Director and Editor of the monthly conservative publication WESTERN FRONT, was told about Mr. Rosenthal’s boastings around Washington, D.C., and I was encouraged to meet with him and to interview him (for a fee). Mr. Rosenthal had stated publicly that the Jews will completely dominate throughout the entire world — and that they control every facet of political life in America and every aspect of the communication media. (Mr. R’s emphasis). Eventually Mr. Rosenthal and l were brought together, at which time I interviewed him privately and taped said interview with Mr. Rosenthal’s knowledge and consent. During the lengthy meeting Mr. Rosenthal became impatient, rude and vulgar (all of which is recorded on the tape) and he sought the balance of his fee before I had concluded my questioning. Since the entire interview was so lengthy, in 1977 we released and published only the first portion under the same title as above “THE HIDDEN TYRANNY.” Copies of this manuscript (Part I) have been sought by people from all around the globe. We now release the balance of the taped interview as Part Two. Although I do not wish to digress, an Eastern analyst has told me that “The Hidden Tyranny” manuscript (Part I) has had a pass-on readership of 3.5%. Thus, if true, the manuscript (Part I) has been read by more than 7 MILLION people. When this final portion (Part Two) begins circulating, its impact may be even greater. It depends upon you, the reader. Before any agreement was reached between us, I had established with Mr. Rosenthal that he would answer an unlimited number of questions with complete honesty and to the best of his ability. It was because of this understanding that I took issue with Mr. Rosenthal during the final stages of the interview and accused him of not being honest with me as it related to his response to my question: “Do you have knowledge of WHEN and WHY the story began about the Jews being God’s chosen people?” That is when he said in part: “Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer — so I wasn’t lying — and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.” As this goes to press, we still seek a governmental body to investigate Harold Rosenthal’s allegations. My dictionary conveys such allegations as “TREASON.” We now pick up after a dispute during which the tape recorder has been turned off. Obviously where the “W” appears, those are my words. Where the “R” appears, that indicates comment. W. Mr. Rosenthal, when true history is permitted to be published at large — when the truth actually surfaces — what do you expect the people of the world will do to you Jews’? R. I thought we had concluded this interview. W. I’m concerned — and this question seems to require your answer. R. We were all finished White, and now you start to pump me again. I’ve already given you the ‘tables of stone’ and yet you want more. R. Never mind — you wouldn’t understand anyway — you Christians!!! W. So now you damn me because I’m a Christian. I thought we had tried to keep this on a business-like basis did we not? R. (Mumbled exclamation by Rosenthal!!) W. Whatever that is — or means, you’re using words I’ve never heard before. Are you speaking English? R. I said ——-. W. Will you spell it? R. (Rosenthal spells M-I-S-C-H-N-A-H and briefly says it is from the basics of the Talmud). Mr. R. continues: Let’s not dwell on this. We’re not getting anywhere — besides we had concluded things and that ends our agreement. W. Are you afraid to answer the question I posed? R. Who the hell do you think I am — I’m not afraid to answer any question but I’ve given you enough information for a book. W. Did I not pay you as per our agreement? R. Yeah — sure — but again you’re wanting more. All right, you want my opinion as to what the people of the world are going to think when history is written. W. Well, I didn’t pose the question exactly like that, but go ahead. R. I don’t give a damn what the people will think. Besides, whenever that happens you and I will be dead. Plain dead. Does that satisfy you? W. There are two or three questions among my notes here Mr. Rosenthal which have yet to be answered and one is quite important. R. What is that? W. The story about the six million Jews supposedly cremated or murdered by the Nazis. R. What about it? W. Do you know who or what Jewish organization created that big lie? R. No, I don’t know anything about its authenticity. I don’t think it’s too important anyway. W. Mr. Rosenthal, you know better than that, What about the younger generation who is growing up believing this big lie? And you say it’s not important!! R. It was an outgrowth of the war and we all know that Hitler hated the Jews so someone, somewhere, thought of exaggerating the number. We know that many, many Jews were killed by the Nazis. W. I’m sure you know that when World War II broke out there were less than a quarter of a million Jews in ALL of Germany. Many thousands had already left Germany. R. So what? As I said before, the Jewish people are the cleverest people in the world. So somebody thought up a big number and perhaps it grew until now the number of Jews killed is six million. We have control of the news media and that is the great difference. Otherwise your people could tell YOUR big lie. W. Go you brush it off that lightly. Something of such enormity… Mr. R. interrupted here saying — My people have been taught to give consideration and attention to our teachers rather than to the words of your people and laws. W. You’re living in America, Mr. Rosenthal, It is our duty to uphold the laws of our Country. Your religion teaches you that you may take an oath such as when being inducted into political office — and if the oath displeases you, you can deny silently the fact you have taken that oath. Now I have copies of the Jewish document — called the Kol Nidre and I have proven their authenticity. (The Kol Nidre (“all vows”) is found in the Talmud book Nedarim (Vows), and is recited each year in the synagogue on the Day of Atonement It allows all future obligations. oaths or pledges a Jew may engage in to “be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect.” This allows Jews to lie, subvert, cheat, etc. R. Well — all Jews don’t practice that oath business, I’m sure. W. But they do practice it, do they not — with the Rabbi’s approval. R. To some extent. Perhaps when it is helpful to the individual. W. Is that not sinful? R. Maybe to your way of thinking. I’ve told you — you and I are different. We are different people. Our beliefs are entirely different. We have been raised that way for many centuries so it is not a sin for us to take any oath and break it. It’s our teaching. (This point on the difference of character has been made by many other Jewish writers and statesmen, and is well supported in history and science. Yet, ironically, Christians continue to believe the Jewish lie that “we are all the same” or “equal.”) W. I’ve possibly saved the most important question of all until now. R. Listen, White, if you’re going on any further, my time is money. We made an agreement and you’re extending it beyond reason. You have it all on tapes and remember that we agreed for you to take whatever you want from the tapes and your notes — but no reproduction of the tapes under any circumstances. They are to be destroyed. If you violate this White, we’ll cut your balls off. W. Who are WE? R. Just get smart and you’ll find out. You don’t want any trouble and I don’t either. You keep our agreement and no one gets hurt!! Now give me the rest of my money. Okay? W. I intend to keep our agreement to the letter and you have my word of honor that these tapes will not go any further than my use in the preparation of the story. There is no misunderstanding. We agree on that and I’ll keep my word. You’ll get your money in a minute. R. I have friends White — I know a lot of people and I don’t want them to be reading things attributed to me that I didn’t say. I don’t give a damn what you or anybody else thinks — but I don’t want lies printed — only the questions and answers of this interview. W. We understand each other perfectly in that regard, Mr. Rosenthal. Now, please, this question!! R. Shoot. But remember I need Las Vegas money. W. Surely you must know somewhere in your schooling, or you have some kind of personal feeling or understanding as to WHEN and WHY the story began that the Jews are God’s Chosen People. R. We ARE God’s chosen people. W. Do you really believe that Mr. Rosenthal? R. Maybe I can explain or perhaps Jake could give you a better answer… W. Who is Jake? R. Jake Javits — you know, my associate. He’s the man that I work for and he’s a pretty smart guy. Plenty smart. His answer might serve your purpose for the story better. W. I want your answer! R. . . . You and we actually have a different God. W. Is that the answer to the Jews being God’s chosen people? R. To our god we are chosen ones. We are taught that from our childhood. W. That is an evasive answer. You know what I mean when I pose such a question and I don’t believe your reply or your explanation. R. Okay. I don’t give a damn what you believe. W. Do your people believe that Jesus Christ was a Jew? R. Hell! We’re not going back to that again are we? We’ve already gone over that. W. That was before the tape machine was ever turned on. I don’t think we recorded your reply to this question. R. Well, I can’t answer for all Jews. I guess you’re asking what Jews throughout the world believe? W. Yes. R. Jake could answer that better than I. W. Please, I don’t want Senator Javits’ answer to anything. I want your answer. R. White, I know what you’re searching for. I’ve known from the beginning but that’s all right. You and we are so apart. You’re another breed. You’re not our kind. It’s not secret that we do not respect you, and of your kind. (Genesis 3:15). W. Are you referring to just our kind as ‘Christians’? R. No, you gentiles — all of you are our enemies. When I was a little boy, just a kid, very young, we were taught very wisely. Many centuries ago when the Jews were persecuted in almost every country and driven out of so many countries — some of the governments, I cannot remember exactly whether it was the government of France or Spain. Anyway, the government demanded that the Jews must become Christians or be expelled from the country. W. Yes, I recall reading of this many times. R. Was it France or Spain. W. Possibly both but I vividly remember the story of Queen Isabella of Spain — how patient she was with the Jews — always giving them the benefit of doubt — until such time as her eyes were opened completely to the deceptions of the Jews. But please go on. R. Anyway, the Jews at that time had a very wise Rabbi leader, a world leader, and his advice was respected throughout the world. He said that the Jews must pretend to become Christians and bide their time and make real sacrifices if necessary. We have always been ready to sacrifice a few thousand Jews in exchange for world leadership. (This was the plan of the Jews who instigated WW II. Some Jews were sacrificed so that the “persecution” propaganda could continue.) It is a small price and there is nothing wrong with that. I was taught that we Jews must become lawyers so we could control and strangle the courts, and even the judges, unless they were Jews. We should become doctors and teachers and leaders in all the churches — and this goal has almost been fully accomplished. I said it before and I’ll say it now — that we will have complete, I say complete control, throughout the entire world possibly before I die. We are very successful in keeping you gentiles confused. We create confusion. (The word Babylon in Hebrew is Babel and means confusion. The Jews are masters at confusion because they are the ringleaders of the system known as “Mystery Babylon.”) You’re not stupid White. You know that the Jews are successful because of our unity. We die for one another if necessary. We generously finance our own, so it is understandable how we govern not only in this country. We direct American foreign affairs. We are the super government of the world. Is tha
  24. Jon

    I suppose that you can explain why the Soviet government exported 1.8 million tons of grain during the Holodomor, enough to feed 5 million people for a year, bad harvest, right? But you know what? Some people don’t spend their lives whining about reparations and trying to suck money out of others so that they don’t have to work. It’s all good, that’s how it works you got them in the 30s, they got you in the 40s, now quit your crying about holocaust deniers, because you are one. Do me a favor, go to Kharkiv and start saying this stuff in any bar, now that would be interesting.

  25. nignogger

    I agree, the Linsday is a jew; he is a holdomor denier! When I was a kid growing up in SW side of chicago, (by marequette park), we had a large immigrant Ukrainian population. All the males concur on one thing, jew communists raped the ukraininans of theur wealth. tyical jews. like today with their cresit scams. why you think ukrainians welcomed the germans, the males fought for the SS, and the females spread their legs for german soldiers.

    • johnUK

      @nignogger

      Why then are the Jews excluding the obvious role of Jews promoting the Holomodor and Communist history since they installed there George Soros puppet president to power in Ukraine in 2004?

      In Russia itself the phoney Stalinist research is conducted by NED financed Memorial and anti-Stalin propaganda exhibitions are financed by NED and organised by affiliated groups.

    • All right, you are banned, that does it nignogger.

      HAND!

  26. Quixzotek

    This is quite the interesting site and conversation over this issue. I think you have a lot of conflicting issues going on here.
    The Ukrainian Holodomor was the worst genocide of the 20th century, if not in history. To belittle it, take hateful angles and categorize these Ukrainians, I wonder if you are taking the typical Russian denial stance or perhaps it will take attention away from other human atrocities.

    First, the figure 7-10 million is in Ukraine and accurate. No! Most did not die from disease or other fabricated reasons. The documentation is very clear and many eyewitnesses survive to this day. My wife’s grandmother for one! On your documentation point, there is clear documentation in the Soviet archives of policies to deliberatedly take all the grains, lockdown around Ukrainian borders and not allow people to enter the cities with their passport program. What is wrong with you? If there was ever a case of policies designed, executed and carried out to extinguish a people, this is it!
    Point One: No one in Ukraine could leave to Russia, Belarus, etc. Enclosed and enforced at the border, many were killed trying to escape and live. Point Two: policies to collect “all” grainstuffs are on the record as Stalin’s scapegoats were the Ukrainians and when his henchmen came to collect, they ramsacked everything and left nothing there. Attics were searched, even babies and underneath floor boards and behind walls. This is not deliberate? You’re kidding me, right? Third Point: The harvest in 1932-33 was actually well within the norm as later studies reveal. This myth of a disastrous crop is a joke. My grandmother was a Kulak and told me what had happened. Is this why the Soviet Union exp0rted a few million tons of grain that year? Is this why witnesses from foreign press like Sergio Gradenigo, Italian consul to Moscow, wrote of tall pyramids of grain behind heavily guarded while smoking from the inside and mountains of potatoes guarded while left to rot. Is this why people had other food items like cattle, other livestock, etc. confiscated. Hello!!! It had nothing to do with grain quotas or the infamous 5 year plan. This was a deliberate act of genocide to wipe out all Ukrainian resistance to Soviety policy. Lazar Kagonovich, one of Stalin’s minions mentions that this policy will crush them and they could not be all exiled to the Gulags as it “was too far and there were too many of them.” It was the most efficient method these low forms of human could devise to accomplish their goals of Soviet domination, Ukrainian compliance and elimanating the threat of the Kulaks and the Ukrainian intelligentsia. The Ukrainian leaders in academics, politics, science and business were executed. Do you understand this type of purge, repression, etc. You should if you understand anything about Soviet history. The Polish people could explain it to you quite well, ask the about what happened in the Katyn forest. Perhaps then you will wise up and not have such a mean spirited and childish point of view. To suggest this was some type of Ukrainian ploy to outplay the Holocaust or detract from the complicity with Nazis of the loudest proponents for recognition of this genocide is a disgrace, shameful and a truly malicious and dispecable comment. Where you get your information that most of these people were Nazi collaborators is laughable if it wasn’t so horrid. Ask the Polish, who were the Soviet collaborators and cruelest of the bunch of henchmen who lead the executions of the people and their leaders. You should know that answer. At the end of the war as the obscene crimes of Dresden and post War migrations of Germans were going on, who do you think were the documentated chiefs of fury and the cruelest of punishments of the people? You should know this answer. When the Bolsheviks were seizing power and systematically executing White Christians and transporting millions to the Gulags, no one spoke for many years about these things either. Who do you think were many of the key figures orchestrating these policies and relishing in the bloodshed of these White Chritians “enemy of the people?”
    But the people were silenced and no one spoke outside of small circles.
    The Soviets were already performing collectivization in the early 20’s vs. Ukraine and also in 1929. Both instancies resulted in 1-1.5 million dead of STARVATION. Not disease, not cholera, not any other form of exotica and not of the boogy man.
    Fast forward to 1932-3. This was the time the U.S. recognized the Soviet Union for the first time. As journalist Walter Durant, Moscow Bureau from 1922-36 reported back to the U.S. there was no famine, he has seen no one malnurished, etc. He was suspected of being a KGB agent by Joseph Alsop, journalist. Also, Malcolm Muggeridge called him “the greatest liar of any journalist I have met in 50 years of journalism.” Why is all this relevant and what am I getting at?

    The United States should have and did understand clearly what was going on. Diplomatic pouches with detailed information like those of Sergio Grandenigo of the Italian consul, were in evidence and certainly known to U.S. circles. The fact is, the U.S. chose a policy to play nice with Uncle Joe and deny these crimes and turn the other cheek on the greatest genocide of people the world has ever known.
    Ukraine was certainly targeted and the released records clearly shows the deliberate, planned and systematic policies targeted against the Ukrainian populace. The fact that Russia to this day denies it, says a lot about their character and intent. The reparations, the Ukrainians have never asked for, is what they fear besides the international embarrassment. Unlike others that may exploit this for personal gain, the Ukrainians seek recognition of this event as to their suffering. The Ukrainian have never asked and are to classy and proud a people to exploit the suffering of their ancestors for their personal gain and run roughshod over the Russian psyche and punish them ad nauseum, is not their intent.
    I have read several books on the subject, spoken to many that were witnesses and visited museums on this in Ukraine and I can tell you, I have never experienced anything like it. What I mean is that in spite of this great tragedy that befell the Ukrainian people and nation, regardless of the fact that Ukraine lost approximately 7-9 million more of it’s sons and daughters in World War II at the hands of both Hitler and Stalin….the Ukrainian people have a spirit and pride that gives them hope each and every day. I don’t know what you can call what befell them, as some in Israel worry about the use of the word “Holocaust”, as if their exploitation of this industry wasn’t enough, but it has yet to be created, realized or approached in terms of humanity’s empathy, understand and recognition of this truly historical tragedy and dark mark on mankind. Long live Ukraine and it’s people!!!!!

    • johnUK

      @Quixzotek

      There are no records that show that the Soviets specifically targeted Ukrainians as a deliberate policy of genocide given the fact it affected the Ukrainian Russian orientated East not nationalist West which there was constant famine across the USSR since the civil war.

      And the 7-10 million figure is not an accurate number it is based on the average estimate from the lowest to the highest.

      A centralise agricultural system was meant to prevent outbreaks of famine and bad crops which it did after 32-33 until the outbreak of WW2.

      The fact that Russia to this day denies it, says a lot about their character and intent. The reparations, the Ukrainians have never asked for, is what they fear besides the international embarrassment.

      They deny it because it was debunked at the time based on phony Hearst Chicago Tribune media reports who supplies the international news service to the Nazi regime.

      The same Chicago Tribune Hearst media based in Germany in 1921 claimed that during the Bolshevik revolution that 6 million Jews were targeted for murder as pogroms and the civil war was still raging.

      Why should Russia take blame for it?

      a) Bolshevik coup was not Russia with most of the commissars and other government heads being Jewish and non Russian most of which lead by Trotsky came from New York..
      b) Ukrainian investigators of the famine confirm with its list of people involved in carrying it out they were Jews and Latvians
      c) It effected Russian orientated East not West which there was continual outbreaks of famine and food shortages prior to what happened in 32-33.

      The Holomodor propaganda campaign is only being brought up against because the Soros/CIA/British/NED regime of Yuchenko wants to create a wedge between Russia and Ukraine as a means of attacking Russia.
      Geo-politics is behind the recent Holomodor campaign.

  27. Anya Dobrianska

    Hello. I find this post extremely offensive. I am Ukrainian. I was born in Poltava. Both of my parents are Ukrainian. To say that the Holodomor is fake is a major offense to all Ukrainians and to the huge group of Ukrainians that died in this horrible time in history. You seem so sure that this never occured but why don’t you look at it from another standpoint? What fuels you to make such a harsh judgement? What even gives you the audacity to even voice this? Were you there? Did you see what happened with your own eyes? My family did. So don’t say that something didn’t happen when it has scarred the lives of my grandparents forever. My grandparents tell me and my family to stories of the Holodomor rarely because of the horrible emotional scars it uncovers. My grandma walked through villages covered in bodies. Not a single person alive. My grandfather saw people driven mad by their hunger and doing the most indescribable things. The suffering of dying through hunger is not just starvation – its the wasting away of every aspect that you are made up of. My grandparents survived by fleeing, most people did not have this option. Of course the numbers gonna be inflated. The numbers not real. How can you possibly know how many innocent lives were lost? You’re arguments prove how stupid this post truly is. Okay, so there were famines in other areas. Understood. But the movie is based on the UKRAINIAN HOLODOMOR. The famine MY people endured. The famine that killed MY people. If they wanted to make a movie on all of the famines that underwent then more power to you but this movie is focused on Ukraine. To say that a genocide is fake is ridiculous. Tell the families that lost their loved ones that its fake. Tell my grandparents that its fake. Tell any Ukrainian that its fake and watch what happens. How dare you say that? What it never happened? Just vanished. All those lives have no meaning right? Just some deaths in a little country. WRONG. Those lives have meaning to us. You don’t have any say in what way we take this. By saying that this Holodomor was fake makes the people that lost their lives during it meaningless. None of us know the real truth but we do know many people died from starvation in Ukraine. We are wanting for everyone to remember this in respect and honor for the memories of all the people. Don’t ever say that something is fake. To you it is – to others it was the most real thing that they ever faced. Instead, of stating whether it is real or fake perhaps everyone should grow up and pray for the people that lost their lives. Вічная Пам’ять.

    • AWolSCO

      I would just like to say thanks for this very interesting thread and that interview with Harold Rosenthal put up by “Truthsayer”. I don’t think I would ever have come across such a thing, here in the UK, if it wasn’t for the internet.

      However, the posts that really get my attention are those from “Quixzotek” and “Anna Dobrianska”. For I have come to recognise my profound ignorance of the peoples and events of this area of Europe, between Moscow and Berlin, between say 1910 and the present. There are many versions of events in this area. It depends on who writes them. So anecdotal evidence, with all due allowance for prejudice, is important in an attempt to get somewhere near the truth, by seeing which version of events those slot most easily into.
      So please can we have some more….and references to websites that contain further information, would be useful.
      Can I make a plea that if you know of anyone in the region, that lived through those events to record their testimony, no matter how mundane it may seem? This is an important story that must be told, in order to separate propaganda from fact.
      Just a few reasons for my request and that is, Scottish involvement in the area, which was considerable. Scots did not just emigrate west to the US and Canada but also went east to Sweden and Poland( where they out-competed Jews in trade)Prussia and Russia(shipbuilding , military service, the professions and industry).
      Excellent(dispassionate) accounts by fellow Scots, of those countries exist up to the time of the rise of the Bolsheviks. Thereafter the trail goes cold.Hence the request.

      Just an interesting footnote regarding the lack of success in the Russian navy of John Paul Jones, founder of the US navy.The story goes that jealous Russians ousted him from his position of Rear Admiral….but not according to Scots’ accounts. The Scots, inveterate Tsarists to a man, had found, or created for themselves, a very cosy niche in the Russian navy and probably found some of Jones’s American views on equality and human rights “inconvenient”….anyway it was they who plotted to get him out.

      Further back in the thread Robert Lindsay mentions mass graves left by the nazis. Where are those mass graves? For if found, that ends holocaust denial at a stroke. I think we should be told.

  28. heg

    “there are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism”. –New York Times July 11, 1900.

    Encyclopedia Britannica 1902, entry: ANTI-SEMITISM: “While there are in Russia and Romania six millions of jews who are being systematically degraded, and who periodically overflow the western frontier, there will continue to be a jewish question in Europe;”

    Dr. Paul Nathan´s View of Russian Massacre, is the heasline in New York Times, 25 mars 1906: “STARTLING reports of the condition and future of Russia´s 6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan who has… […] He left St. Petersburg with the firm conviction that the Russian Government´s studied policy for the “solution” of the jewish question is systematic and murderous extermination.”

    New York Times 31 oktober 1911: “The 6,000,000 Jews of Russia are singled out for systematic oppression and for persecution due to process of law.”

    THE JEWISH PUBLICATION SOCIETY OF AMERICA 1911 The American Jewish Year Book 5672 September 23, 1911, to September 11, 1912 – page 308: “Russia has since 1890 adopted a deliberate plan to expel or exterminate six millions of its people for no other reason than that they refuse to become members of the Greek Church, but prefer to remain Jews”.

    And on and on and on the jews holohoax bullshit goes:

    http://sv.metapedia.org/wiki/6_000_000_judar

    • heg

      How many jew holohoax’s can you have before we run out of jews?

      The Truth About The Gas Chambers – by heg

      There was gas chambers all over and what they gassed was the TYPHUS-fever LICE. 1906 they discovered how you get Typhus-fever. The lice shit on you, it itch, you scratch until you bleed and now you get Typhus-fever. You get very sick and diarrhea. The body can’t keep the food, the body start to eat your bodyfat, then your muscles. lf you live you are skin and bone, if you die you are skin and bone and that is what all the dead in all the camps have in common – they are all skin and bone, hence they died from Typhus-fever.

      Go on, look at any picture from any camp and the dead are skin and bone. Then look at the “survivor”. They are almost to the last man well fed.

      DDT and Zyklon-B is the same thing – a NON-lethal bug spray.

      The Typhus-fever lice egg do NOT die from the bug spray Zyklon-B and that is why everybody got a haircut.

      The jews gassed everything and everybody – including the SS. lf Mr Hitler had gone to the camps he would be gassed too. The Germans gassed to save life – NOT to take life. The simple truth is that many jews own their life to Mr Hitler and the German people.

      According to Red Cross report, 1,6oo pages some 270.ooo jews died in all the camps from all courses during ten years. Until someone can debunk that Red Cross report anything else then 270.ooo dead jews is lying jew scumbags propaganda-bullshit.

      Six years old jew kid escaping from the workcamps and living with wolfs in the forest for three years. YEAH right, and santa is for real too.

      “Herman Rosenblatt The Unrepentant Holocaust Liar ”

  29. heg

    Stalin’s Jews

    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

    And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

    http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    • heg

      heg @ COOOOOOMRAD Robert Lindsay:

      What fucking part don’t you get?

      The jew Sever Plocker is the Cheif Editor of Kikistans’s (the so called is-a-real-shithole =israel)

      • heg

        heg @ COOOOOOMRAD Robert Lindsay:

        What fucking part don’t you get?

        The jew Sever Plocker is the Cheif Editor of Kikistans’s (the so called is-a-real-jew-run-shithole =israel) biggest daily and he admits that the jews killed at LEAST ten million russians.

  30. heg

    Real DDT gas chambers, pictures they don’t show you on jew run Hitlery Channel, talmudVision, TV.

    “Gassed You Say? Never Happened. ”

  31. AWolSCO

    Thanks for the links Heg. Very useful.

    Just a couple of points about ZyclonB and DDT. Both are insecticides. DDT is relatively harmless. I wouldn’t run if someone opened a bag of it, but I’d be very careful not to breathe any in. Once it’s in the body it’s there for life, but probably(?) doesn’t do much harm.
    If however someone opened a canister of Zyclon B, I would run like….
    From press and mass media accounts I was led to believe that this was a substance specifically produced to kill people. It was never made clear that this was an insecticide produced for the destruction of lice and hence preventing and controlling insect-borne diseases, such as Typhus.
    All the sinister -sounding ZyclonB is, is HCN(hydrocyanic acid) adsorbed on to a porous, zeolite-like substance(rock with lots of micropores, ie very large surface area). Once you know that, then it becomes abundantly clear that the vapourisation of the HCN is anything but instantaneous and is highly temperature sensitive. So if someone opened a canister on a cold day, say -5 to-10degC, I would endeavour to place myself upwind,fairly smartly. On a hot day, say 35-40degC, I would, with considerable haste, not just move upwind, but ensure a considerable distance lay between myself and the canister. It should be noted however that humans are much , much more sensitive to the effects of HCN than are insects.
    So the stuff is moderately expensive to produce, needs very careful handling and requires heating to be fully effective.

    The odd thing is that there were other more effective agents available if you were out to gas humans. Take producer or wood gas for example, a deadly mixture of H2 and CO(50%approx). Nearly every German truck worked off wood gas…tons available and cheap as chips, or in this case woodchips. Why wasn’t this used? Not like the efficient Germans to overlook that possibility.
    Then the Germans had nerve gases available(anti-cholinesterase inhibitors) available from the middle of the War onwards. Why didn’t they use these?

    I see Robert Lindsay has not responded to my request for the sites of mass graves left by the Nazis.
    I am not surprised, for so far, no-one has been able to find any. Actually, there is one place that still has a bit of a question mark over it and that is Chelmno-nad -Ner. A researcher/author from the N of England has some video material on You Tube and intends to write a book about it. If true, why is it taking so long? I could find out but, believe it or not, I do have other things to do.

    ps. Everyone knows about the demise of the Roman legions in the Teutoburger Wald. Trouble was that up until recently, nobody had ever found the bodies. Then a British army officer , in his spare time, went looking, using his knowledge of strategy, tactics, terrain etc and found the site of the battle and the nearby mass graves….about40,000 skeletons which you can go and see.
    Now isn’t that astonishing? We’ve got all the evidence of a massacre, circa AD9-AD10….2,000yrs ago. Yet the remains of some 6,000,000, a mere 60-70yrs ago, have escaped detection. How odd is that?

  32. heg

    What happened in February (March) 1917 was not a revolution, but a coup d’etat organized from without. The Bolsheviks themselves, however, did not carry out a coup d’etat in October (November) 1917, as we have learned in the West, but simply took over power.

    It was an internationally controlled conspiracy.

    If this was not the case, then a great number of important facts cannot be explained; instead, everything becomes dim and incomprehensible. If we assume that it really was a planned conspiracy, then all those strange events, which I described earlier, immediately have a clear explanation.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/signscorpion/signscorpion06.htm

    EVERYTHING about marxism is a jew fraud! The jew Karl Marx wrote a sockpile of jew bullshit and called it marxism. Marxism = Jew Bullshit,

  33. Truthsayer

    Some really interesting books, written by Jews:
    The Unspoken Alliance: Israel’s secret alliance with apartheid South Africa – by Sasha Polakow-Suransky

    The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering – by Norman G. Finkelstein

    Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-semitism and the Abuse of History – by Norman G. Finkelstein

  34. anastasia kucheruk

    How dare you say that about holodomor…you have no right to speak of it in such false accusations….Holodomor is real…i remember my great grandma and grandpa talking about it and telling me horrible stories. The things they saw and went through, you will never understand. You are neigther russian, german, or ukrainian so you have no right to judge and say that it never happened. So why dont you just sit there on your american ass and write about your idiots hate the economy of some shit.

    • loveuk

      Hohlushka !

      Perestan boltat huyniu. I am Russian and I know of the atrocities committed by Uks during the war. Bidlo at its worst, from massacres to open collaboration with the Nazis. Believe it or not, they killed Jews for a bottle of Horilka, the Germans knew that Uks will do everything for it, not some far-fetched ideals or revenge of who started the revolution or not. Believe, most of the Uks finished Jews in the pit – some still alive after being shot they had to give few hits with a tire iron a task they would laugh at. Meanwhile, Uk harlots were brought in by the hundreds to entertain German troops at Melnikov / Syrets camp. The worst nation I have ever seen. Recently came back from Kiev – hell on earth ! Prostitution, theft, indifference to other human beings and overall collapse of human morality. Orphans dying abandoned in local hospitals with AIDS meds being stolen for private distribution and profit. Whores doing Jons behind dumpsters, etc… What Holodomor research can they present here ? I have seen female students at Kiev University hook by night right in front of the gates. Hookers by night- students by day. Would anyone accept their research ?

      • invanushka49

        Смаркач! Чего ты знаешь? Путинские сказки которые они тебе Hаучили в школе. Если вы знали как вы нам надоели, свини фанатическиe.

  35. adampie12

    The holodomor was a real thing. I grew up in SW side chicago witha large ukranian poplation, all post ww2 immigrants. the men would get drunk on summer bbq sunday’s and debate who was better, stalin or hitler. they all did concur that communists (bolsheviks), nealry all ashkenazi jews, with their terror arm, the NKVD, deliberatly starved the Ukr: population. WHY? these kulaks would not submit to jewish theft of their hard work farming. These communist jews required a kulak to farm, say 200 bushels a hectare of wheat and give 3/4’s to the state: i.e jews in charge. Also for every pig raised, one goes to the state, no compensation. the Ukr; kulaks said fuck you jew. hence the jew retaliated with satlins blessing. Why do you think the ukrainian people have a resentment toward jews? beacuse of this. hell, look what this filthy slime race is doing to the palistians. my neighbor is a jordanian and he told me about jews in ‘jewland’ caputuring young palstinian men, saying they are “terrorists”, euthinizing them and surgically removing organs for the organ transplant market. Dirty, immoral jews. get the money, fuck humanity

  36. Dam88191

    fucking bull shit. “holodomor” is only used in order to subliminally refer to “holocaust”. why not “kholocost”? or.. why not to use an English word?
    And look. It’s working — both terms intertwined into some negative “thing” which we can only loathe by blaming the ones who supposedly had done it.
    Gosh, people. Wise up. That famine was the same thing as many other nationalities within the USSR were experiencing in that terrible time. Some suffered way more than the peoples of Ukraine. You never hear about them; moreover, you don’t even know that they exist. Make a guess why.
    Isn’t it strange that this whole famine thing was broached only after the US government got a marionette-president in Ukraine? Russia is still seen as an enemy by the West. How do you battle your enemy? You surround him by making new allies in his neighborhood. Isn’t it the reason why the Soviets had so close relationship with the Latins?
    While you all are debating about whether the Ukrainian famine existed or not, you don’t see the “obvious obviousness”. The history is being rewritten again. None of you have enough facts to buttress up your opinions.
    <>
    Then why not to resort to common sense? The current debate is not about what was happening in the USSR but about how the realm of geopolitical forces is currently changing.
    And yes. I’m Ukrainian.

    P.S. When the US finally accepted the genocide conducted by the Turks, lots of senators, American elite (lol. look up that awesome speech by H. Clinton), etc began talking about whether it was a right thing to do. “Because you know.. we need our military bases in Turkey. So.. we’d better not do such billigerent moves towards that country… Maybe we’ll admit that there was some Turkish misbehavior a bit later? umm.. now it doesn’t seem to be the best thing to do. Maybe it’s true.. maybe it’s not. It’s not beneficial for us now. So, let’s forget about it ;)”

    • Darren

      There is no arguing with people who are protecting their angle and don’t want to accept that is very well documented. I can give you mountains of documents, websites, etc. that shows the deliberate policies of the Communists to wipe out the Ukrainians from their midst and replace them with Russians.

      By reading these comments I can see it would be useless as a bigots mind is made up and there is nothing you can show them that would convince them. That is the height of ignorance and stupidity if you aren’t willing to consider you are wrong. There was a policy keeping the Ukrainians from escaping this purge so they were fenced in. Areas where there was a large population of Ukrainians as in the Caucasus, Volga River, etc. were also targeted. They knew this and their aim was to wipe out these dissenters from Soviet collectivazation. This Robert Lindsay is beyond immoral and sub-human because he takes simply angles he read in some comic book to try and convince us he is authoratative somehow, he isn’t at all. His simplitic narrative sounds like something directly out of Walter Duranty, a NY Times journalist and buddy of J. Stalin. God knows what happened and will punish those responsible and those who tried to hide it from the world. My wife’s grandmother was there and I have asked her to tell me about it without prompting questions. Her statements to me confer all I need to know and they were extensive. The horror of it all makes me ill to think how sadly we have failed as a race called human and how courageous and spirited this people are. They have no equals in the world in my view but they are not people looking for handouts, reparations or blackmail, because unlike some people they work for what they have and don’t need charity, just remembrance and to have closure to this darkest of chapters in human history. The worse genocide in the history of the world to deliberately wipe out a certain people and take away their language, culture, intelligentsia and traditions all in one swoop. But, like I said, it doesn’t ‘matter to me what others think because I know the truth and I pray to God that he gives us salvation from the evils that men do.

  37. Darren

    One final note, people weren’t dying in Moscow, Siberia sure, the persecuted who were sent there, hundred of thousands of Urkainians and others that were a threat to the state. But, don’t try to confuse by deflection, really an amateur tactic.

    Just one little link on the % by area of Ukrainian population decimation between 1929-1933. That doesn’t include numbers from the purges of 1937-8 or the other 7-8 million Ukrainians that lost their lives at the hands of Hitler and Stalin in WW2.

    You’ve been schooled enough for one day you lowest form of excrement Mr. Lindsay. The truth shall set you free, try it sometime as it would be a refreshing change for you methinks.

    • Look you’re banned. There was no Holodomor, you fascist dog.

    • johnUK

      @Darren

      Look at the source you are using British Foreign Office documents, the exact same British Foreign Office that created the IRD anti-Communists propaganda unit and helped install international Trotskyite Communism in Russia in the first place.

      “(Rate of population decline in some regions of the USSR. 1929-1932 {{fairusein|Holodomor}} Source: “The Foreign Office and the famine : British documents on Ukraine and the Great Famine of 1932-1933 / edited by Marco Carynnyk, Lubomyr Y. Luciuk and Bohdan )”

      The agricultural sectors were hit the hardest that is why Ukraine was struck the hardest in the Russian orientated East not nationalist west which was largely untouched as well as Kazakhstan and Southern Russia.

      As for the population decline the Soviet census has been analysed and its finding scrutinised which does not take into effect the aftermath of natural famine and large outbreaks of disease , plus the fact that many in Ukrainian East simply identified themselves as Russia in the census.

  38. U guys need to get a life an real facts

    Guy it happened I was born in Ukraine and all me family have my great grandpa was alive during the Holodomor and it is really some of his friends died because of it why would u even say thy made it up it happened I know people that were there during it so don’t give me bullshit that it didn’t find people that were alive during Holodomor an he will tell you like this I’d bullshit get facts from people that were there

  39. An American citizen born and raised here

    We must not forget the Armenian genocide committed by Jews who converted to Islam…Marranos..in order to gain control over gov….Kinda like what has happened to America today…Im sorry…where there is smoke there is fire..and the Jews look very guilty to me..in regards to their century long record of being aggressors..

  40. Raymond Mehalechko Land

    Your denial of a Ukrainian “Holodomor” seems to be based upon your inability to discover documented evidence. However, Robert Conquest, a Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University has written two books which contain numerous documented references evidencing the deliberate starvation of the Ukrainians during the 1932-33 period. The first book was “The Harvest of Sorrow” and his latest (1990) is “The Great Terror – A Reassessment”. Norman Davies of The New York Times Book Review observed “The new version (of The Great Terror) is appearing at a moment when…all of Mr. Conquest’s main findings have been magnificently vindicated in the Soviet Union itself… Stalin was not only the master criminal; he was the master concealer. It took a master detective, and a poet, like Mr. Conquest to unmask him completely.” Tatyana Tolstaya of The New York Review of Books said, “Not a storeroom of facts, but a profoundly analytical investigation. Instead of getting tangled up in the abundance of information, you untangle the knots of the Soviet nightmare under the author’s patient direction. Having finished the book, no one can ever again say: ‘I didn’t know.’ Now we all know.”

  41. Raymond Mehalechko Land

    Mr. Lindsay, this August 16, 2010 interview of Robert Conquest in the The Stanford University News clearly indicates that Mr. Conquest has NOT the “terror famine.” (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/conquest-historian-poet-081610.html):
    Stanford legend Robert Conquest: new books at 93 for the historian and poet

    Conquest is a man of contradictions: He has been called “a comic poet of genius” and “a love poet of considerable force” – but he made his mark as one of the first to expose the horrors of Stalinist communism.
    L.A. Cicero Robert Conquest

    Robert Conquest published his seventh collection of poems last year and a book of limericks this year, finished a 200-line poetic summer and is working on his memoirs.

    BY CYNTHIA HAVEN

    Susan Sontag was a visiting star at Stanford in the 1990s. But when she was introduced to Robert Conquest, the constellations tilted for a moment.

    “You’re my hero!” she announced as she flung her arms around the elderly poet and acclaimed historian. It was a few years since she had called communism “fascism with a human face” – and Conquest, author of The Great Terror, a record of Stalin’s purges in the 1930s, had apparently been part of her political earthquake.

    Sitting in his Stanford campus home last week and chatting over a cup of tea, the 93-year-old insisted it’s all true: “I promise. We had witnesses.” His wife, Liddie, sitting nearby confirmed the account, laughing.

    Conquest, a Hoover Institution senior research fellow emeritus, moves gingerly with a walker, and speaks so softly it can be hard to understand him. But his writing continues to find new directions: He published his seventh collection of poems last year and a book of limericks this year, finished a 200-line poetic summa and is working on his memoirs.

    He’s been a powerful inspiration for others besides Sontag. In his new memoir, Hitch-22, Christopher Hitchens described Conquest, who came to Stanford in 1979, as a “great poet and even greater historian.” The writer Paul Johnson goes further, calling Conquest “our greatest living historian.”

    Conquest is still, however, a man of contradictions. With The Great Terror, published in 1968, he became the conscience of an era, a historian denouncing Stalinism when communism was trendy with the left in the West. His new book collects scabrous and salacious limericks.

    His advice to young poets is unconventional: “Write under a pseudonym, and pretend it’s a translation from the Portuguese.”

    Not a serious poet? Think again. He’s just completed a poem that may prove to be among his greatest. His 200-line reflection, forthcoming this fall in the British magazine Standpoint, opens:

    Into one’s ninetieth year.
    Memory? Yes, but the sheer
    Seethe as the half-woken brain’s
    Great gray search-engine gains
    Traction on all one’s dreamt, seen, felt read,
    Loathed, loved …
    And on one’s dead.
    – Which makes one’s World, one’s Age, appear
    Faint wrinkles on the biosphere
    Itself the merest speck in some
    Corner of the continuum.

    The poem moves in scope from the caves of Lascaux to the minutest observations of the deteriorations of age, from “the skin-and-psyche blend” of sex and love to “dark matter.”

    “I don’t think any poet has written as well about aging as he has,” said R. S. Gwynn, Conquest’s friend and fellow poet.

    “As a poet Bob is funny, intensely lyrical and deeply reflective,” Gwynn said. “Whenever I read him I think of how rarely we are allowed to see a mind at work, and what a mind it is.”

    The new unpublished poem would appear to be light-years from his polished little limericks with their exuberant, far-fetched (and not always successful) rhymes.

    Yet Conquest takes his limericks seriously. As he writes in the introduction to his pseudonymous A Garden of Erses: Limericks by Jeff Chaucer: “While, under the protection of portentous apologetics, the meaningless, and the structureless can now pass for serious verse, the limerick remains a voice of talent and common sense, and it lends itself to (or rather demands) a specially skilled oral recital.”

    While Gwynn insisted the poems are certainly Conquest’s, Conquest himself says they were mixed up with those by some friends, including Kingsley Amis and Philip Larkin. He’s not even sure anymore which ones are his. At the very least, he is the editor and a significant, if not sole, contributor.

    Given his more prominent role as a Stanford historian, some might consider him a “gentleman poet.” Conquest cackles at the notion.

    “Limericks are not very gentlemanly – or it’s a special kind of gentleman.”

    Whatever the provenance of the limericks, this stanza from “This Be the Worse,” a poem included in his collection Penultimata, published last year, is certainly his, and has the same esprit.

    To each of those who’ve processed me
    Into their scrap of fame or pelf:
    You think in marks for decency
    I’d lose to you? Don’t kid yourself.

    Angry old man? Not in the least. David Yezzi, writing in the Yale Review, said that although Conquest “has lodged his share of barbed lines and rhymes where they will be hard to get rid of,” his recent poems remind us “with the immediacy of a dose of smelling salts, that he is not only a comic poet of genius but also a love poet of considerable force.”

    Hitchens, speaking of Conquest’s “devastatingly dry and lethal manner,” also wrote that his was “the softest voice that ever brought down an ideological tyranny.” Naming Conquest among his handful of favorite poets, Hitchens called him not only “the king of the limerick” but also “the dragon slayer of the Stalinoid apologists.”

    It’s hard to believe now that Stalin ever had any apologists at all, but that was not the case when Conquest wrote The Great Terror. Reading like a thriller, the book is a detailed log of Stalin’s assassinations, arrests, tortures, frame-ups, forced confessions, show trials, executions and incarcerations that destroyed millions of lives. It was especially impressive because Conquest, who wrote the book as a freelancer, had to rely largely on what is called “unofficial material.”

    “Of course history isn’t a science,” he said. Balancing and assessing incomplete, partial and uneven information, he had to figure out what was omitted and focus on eyewitness accounts that contradicted “other things printed on beautiful paper.”

    The book instantly became a classic of modern history, and other titles followed, including The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine (1986) and a 1977 translation of Solzhenitsyn’s 1,400-line poem, Prussian Nights, undertaken at the author’s request.

    In the preface to the 40th anniversary edition of The Great Terror, Conquest wrote: “One of the strangest notions put forward about Stalinism is that, in the interests of ‘objectivity’ we must be – wait for it – ‘non-judgmental.’ But to ignore, or downplay, the realities of Soviet history is itself a judgment, and a very misleading one. Let me conclude with Patrick Henry saying in 1775, ‘I know no way of judging of the future but by the past.'”

    “His books made a huge impact on the debate about the Soviet Union, both in the West and in the East. In the West, people had always had access to the information about Communism but were not always ready to believe in it,” said Radosław Sikorski, Poland’s minister of foreign affairs, while awarding Conquest the country’s Order of Merit last year. (Conquest received a U.S. Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2005.)

    “We longed for confirmation that the West knew what was going on behind the Iron Curtain,” Sikorski said. “Robert Conquest’s books gave us such a confirmation. They also transmitted a message of solidarity with the oppressed and gave us hope that the truth would prevail.”

    He wasn’t always a champion in this cause. The British-born Conquest was a member of the Communist Party while at Oxford between 1937 and 1938.

    “He always tended to extremes,” the British Labour politician Denis Healey told the Guardian in 2003.

    Not anymore, according to Hitchens, writing in the Wall Street Journal: “A few years ago he said to me that the old distinctions between left and right had become irrelevant to him, adding very mildly that fools and knaves of all kinds needed to be opposed.”

    Poet and Nobel laureate Czesław Miłosz, speaking in 1992, called Conquest “the poet who was right.” Miłosz recalled a time when speaking the truth about communism meant being shunned in the West’s intellectual community. Even Sontag took considerable heat for her reversal in the 1980s – which came a decade-and-a-half after Conquest’s book.

    Conquest retired at 90. That means “if I don’t feel like it, I don’t work,” he said. But so far he seems to feel like it. He’s working on memoirs and has “far more material than people can use,” though he never kept any notes.

    He still has a research assistant. And Liddie, his fourth wife, whom he married in 1979, is the point person for manuscripts, correspondence and interviews, and offers the occasional correction. When her husband leaves the room briefly, Liddie notes that his Bulgarian is splendid, and so is his French, contrary to his modest protestations.

    A younger friend recently wrote Conquest a heartfelt letter that had a bit of a farewell flavor to the poet’s ear, and Conquest was worried. Was his younger correspondent seriously ill?

    Liddie had to suggest the idea that maybe the letter-writer, reasoning a nonagenarian might pass away at any moment, was concerned about him. Apparently, the thought hadn’t occurred to Conquest.

    After all, he’s just finished his 200-line poem. And now, he said, “I’ve got a lot of prose to catch up with.”

    Conquest is a man of contradictions: He has been called “a comic poet of genius” and “a love poet of considerable force” – but he made his mark as one of the first to expose the horrors of Stalinist communism.
    L.A. Cicero Robert Conquest

    Robert Conquest published his seventh collection of poems last year and a book of limericks this year, finished a 200-line poetic summa and is working on his memoirs.

    BY CYNTHIA HAVEN

    • johnUK

      Robert Conquest worked for the British Foreign Offices anti-Communist propaganda unit IRD created by Orwell after WW2 which he gives hyper-inflated death tolls and gulag prison camp number which are not supported by archive data. Not that it would matter anyway as since Kruschev time they have been edited as part of a anti-Stalin campaign.

  42. Raymond Mehalechko Land

    Mr. Lindsay:
    You might also want to refer to Wikipedia’s site on Holodomor deniers which factually refutes your assertion that the terror famine never took place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

    • johnUK

      The article does not actually refute or even mention the points of which the “deniers” which is a stupid Holocaust commutated word have point out some of which are known facts like the pictures and reports where debunked at the time as Hearst/Nazi propaganda most of which the famous ones where from the Volga famine.
      In fact it gives good eyewitnesses from the British and French embassies refuting the terror famine. .

      Just to show the complete bias of Wikipedia there is no expert comparative analysis of famines to conclude if it was deliberate or not, which there is no documented evidence of a forced famine Stalin order and makes the typical lie that Ukraine had good weather and harvest when there was near yearly famine outbreaks until Stalin collectivisation policy.

  43. For what it’s worth, I learned Russian from Jewish emigres from Ukraine in the early 1990’s, and these Jewish emigres told me all about the Holodomor. I spent a lot of time with these people. I didn’t realize at the time they were all Jews, it was sort of a peripheral thing because I was not Jew-aware at the time. Maybe the Jews from Ukraine had been “brainwashed” or something, but I was quite floored when a Jewish family from Ukraine told me that the Holodomor was every bit as bad as the Holocaust, and they were outraged that it didn’t get the publicity that the Holocaust does.

    They weren’t first hand accounts because they were too young, but they were telling me what their parents told them about the time, so it was a close second hand account.

    You can say that I’m lying or making it up if you want. I have no defense against that. But the point is, so long as you accept that I’m speaking truthfully and in good faith, the witnesses who told me about the Holodomor were not Ukrainian Nazis, they were Jews whose parents witnessed/experienced it firset hand.

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  45. Rusalka

    Fake Holdomor? That is a lie if I ever heard one, because my father’s parents lived through it. Ukrainians were reduced to eating rats, grass, or even resorting to cannibalism like animals. That is how the Jews have treated the Slavs after the Bolshevik Revolution, like animals trapped in a cage. That was why many Ukrainains were all too willing to help the Nazis go after the Jews, along with Poles, Romanians, Lithuanians, Lavians and even Russians. How do you explain Russian surrendering to German soldiers, then telling their captors they wished to side with them? The Jews led the Bolshevik Revolution, and Stalin and his Jewish henchmen created a famine intentonally to break Ukrainian efforts to secede from the Soviet Union. Starving an entire population is something the Jews have done before the Holodomor, and are doing yet again. Just ask a Palestinean trapped in the Gaza Strip or in Israeli occupied territory how often they get something to eat. The Jews blockade all food, medicine, anything that sustains life, because they regard basic neccessities as “munitions.” The fact is, the Jews in Eastwern Europe always hated the Slavs, and always will. The Holodomor, then the effort to cover it up, reflects their intense malice towards Slavs, and that is why Slavs despise Jews.

    • nignogger

      Rusalka, U hit the nail on the head! In the 60’s i grew up in the marquette park area in chicago. This area had a large population of Ukrainians, latvians, lithuanians, Estonians, poles and germans. Most of the foreign born males fought in the war, and during the summer block and backyard party’s and at the lagoon, talk about the war. Suprisingly, many of these people fought for germany, some even in the ranks of the SS. As my dad and the ukrainians agreed it was the jews who started the Holdomor. “Jews” in Slavspeak is also communists. Everybody knows from over there who the real commies are(Khazar jews, usually aetheists). With the horrors that the communists did to the subjugated people makes the nazis look like saints!. The manipulated media and education system, also contolled by jews, does not want you to know this, other than their sacred cow; The Holocaust (actually the HoloHoax: thats another story.) Communism is a jewish invention, the bolshevik revoulution was finanaced by NYC jewery and most if not all of the top commie leadership were jews. The jews the swiped for themeselves the russian wealth. the kulaks said fuck you, we are keeping our wealth; commie jewery had its plan: mass starvation!!! Incidentally jews not only hate the slavs but the white race in general; that is why they are introducing mass immigation of non whites into their host countries. If you go on You Tube there sare film of these ussr people greeting ‘evil nazis’ with bread, flowers, wine and the young ladies spreading their legs for these liberators! Again, you dont see this in our controlled propoganda here. As i stated before this guy that hosts this website is a disinfo agent, probaly a jew himself or paid by jewish organizations to downplay this atrocity of the ukrainina people. Since he does not debate holohoax deniers, i suspect he is of the tribe.One more thing, all of the old generation Ukrainians still mourn their country’s suffering during this time and they all have a deep hatred of one evil; the Jew communist.

    • nignogger

      You wont see this in any jewish, communists sympathizer network channel:

  46. Rusalka

    You’ve jsut names why Judiasm was the best recruiting picth for the Nazis, many of whom also regarded Slavs as sub-humans to be enslaved or exterminated. I consider myself blessed that I was born here in the U.S., not in the Ukraine around the Bolshevik takeover. Had I not been murdered by the Jews then, I would have been killing them and Nazis with equal ferocity. Ukrainians are vicious in war, guerillas have literally skinned Nazi soldiers alive and hung the corpses from trees like gutted deer. Germany never truly controlled Ukraine, because snipers, bombers and assassins attacked the Germans relentlessly. What was happening was there was an incredibly brutal civil war being waged in parallel with the genocide campaign against the Ukrainians by the Germans and the Soviets effort to reconquer the Ukrainians, many of who went over to the German side. They didn’t do that out of love for Germany, they did it because they hated the Soviets even more than the German occupuers. They were no less merciless towards Jews, and other Ukrainians who were pro-Soviet. It took the Soviets ten years to kill the last of the Ukrainian freedom fighters who wanted to destroy both Nazi and Soviet rule over their country.

  47. karl

    Did Stalin only kill 3.3 million? In his 28 year career? WOW! That’s news to me … NOT He killed 20 million no more no less! YOU Fucking LIARS!

      • thelonelycamel

        Did you grow up suffocated by your mother’s hug? Why are you so naive? You look a man, but you know less than some children. Go get some experience before you grow old and wither away, go visit a sufferer or a suffering country. I can not give you many criticisms myself, for you probably won’t pay them any attention. Go see cruelty for yourself, and the new you will criticize your old self, so I don’t have to do it for you.

  48. thelonelycamel

    Stop! Everybody, stop where you are!

    History. It was many years ago, and is now history. There is no website, there is no document, and there is no spreadsheet that will prove you right and another wrong. The only truths we have ever are emotions. Emotions of those who truly experienced these events. You cannot-
    I repeat- you CANNOT-
    begin to make a case that the Holodomor never existed. You will never be able to prove such.
    But there is a general rule, one of etiquette, that you simply don’t write offensive and vulgar things like this about events from which people lost loved ones! You cannot attempt to diminish it, or take away its power!

    I come from a country in which horrible things happen every day, to this day. But they are too horrible to believe, so the public chooses not to believe them. Where is our sense? Did we leave it in all the fantasies we still harbour, the ones where the entire world is as safe and protected and calm as the USA?

    Genocide happens. It did happen during the Holodomor. You are ignorant to believe everything you read. What do those numbers mean? They mean nothing. Numbers can change. They can lie to you.

    “Death inflicted by Starvation” – “Holodomor”

  49. Avraham

    Really? I am going to have to call bullshit on your arguments. 5 million + died of disease you say, not starvation? How do you think starvation kills people?
    The Holodomor happened. It is well documented. Would you agree that the millions of Jew and Gypsie et al who died in the german camps of typhus and malnutrition were murdered. I would surely say it was murder. Perhaps you are a holocaust denier in addition to a holodomor denier.

    Do you doubt the Armenian Genocide too?

  50. Julian Varga

    I like the fact that you ban everyone who questions the party line and calls them nazis. You go so far as to say that denying, questioning or even trying to revision the holocaust is nazism.
    I’m not denying the prison camps or the forced expulsion of the Jews, I’m just not convinced that six million dies (more like a a few hundred thousand) and they just died because of disease and famine. Even if it were true, I would still be disgusted with the way it is used to make money. Only the Jew could make the supposed genocide of his people into a business.

  51. Julian Varga

    *call them

  52. Jacob van Maerlant

    Alas usefull idiots and fellowtravellers inhabit this site. If you take R.J. Rummel numbers on democide, massmurder by governments (policies). For the top four you get the followingnumbers
    PRC(China) approx 76 million
    USSR approx 61 million
    Germany, approx 22 million
    KMT (China) approx 10 million
    The following 8 countries between 1 and 5 million
    Japan, North Korea, Cambodja, Vietnam, Turkey, Poland, Pakistan and Yugoslavia.
    Striking is that 5 of them are socialist or communist.

    • Those numbers are no good. Rummel is a fanatical Libertarian ideologue out to prove that the “the bigger the state, the more it murders people.” PS, we don’t allow rightwingers on this site – this is a socialist website.

      There are no “socialist” governments on that site. There are a number of Communist governments though.

      I am banning you. Rightwing propagandists are not allowed here.

  53. iuliremo

    You do realize that Left-Libertarians and Anarchists are Left-Wing, but are still opposed to your bullshit? You do realize that your Stalinist tendencies to silence any criticism, regardless of its content, just proves even more that your brand of politics is delusional? Enjoy your echo chamber. I’m sure that you will enjoy your little circle-jerk, you pinko commie.

  54. Inter

    It’s interesting how “chosenites” always scream “antisemitism” whenever they can’t win a debate on merits.
    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

    Looking on with amusement.

  55. Genocide Figures & Holodomor.
    Reading through comments here, seems are many who are somewhat confused as to what and what is not real. R. J. Rummel spent 15 years plowing through over 8,000 reports from over a 1,000 different sources to discern as accurate as possible “numbers of victims” in relation to these kinds of things. He has been nominated for the Nobel Peace prize for his work. Books (as dark as this subject is) people need to locate are available on Amazon.com (with reviewer comments) and are as follows:

    Lethal Politics
    Death by Government
    Statistics of Democide.

    Black Book of Communism also contains reasonably well researched figures also.

    As several commentaries stated, we cannot forget or minimize these kinds of horrors, to do so, would be in desecration of those who suffered/died, those who survived and their families.

  56. ROBERT YOU NEED A REALITY CHECK AND MEDICATION,,NOT THE KIND THE SECRET POLICE AND GPUNKVD USED,,WHILE EXECUTING THOUSANDS OF UKRAINIANS AND KULAKS IN SOVIET RUSSIA ,,AND NUMBING THEIR SENSES ON A KILL PARTY LIKE THE VIET NAM COMMIES DID KAMAR ROUGE DID ON ITS SOUTH VIENAM AND USA SOLDIERS WHILE THINKING MUDER IS OK,,DOING COCAINE IS A DESENSITIZER,,,,DRUG ADDICTS WHO KILL TODAY FIND IT EASIER TO KILL WHILE HIGH AND BUZZED OUT AND BRAINWASHED THEY WILL BE ON TGOP OF THE WORLD ON IT AND THE DICTATORS USED THEM LIKE GAN LEADERS DO NOW. EVEN POLICE AND BERKUT FORCES TODAY IN UKRAINE MIGHT BE DOING IT THEY SUSPECT!

    ROBERT YOUR A GOOF,,ID LIKE TO KICK YOU ASS,,,THE HOLODOMOR IS REAL I LIVE HERE 9 YEEARS AND HEARD IN EVERY TOWN AND CITY,,THE HORRIBLE STORIES OF THE STALIN FAMINE THAT STARVED MILLIONS TO DEATH…HEH ROBERT NEXT TIME YOUR EATING YOUR FKN HITDOG,,THINK OF TE STARVING WHO DIED IN UKRAINE ,,,YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ASS LICKED IN HELL ANYWAY!!! OR HEAVEN BY MISTAKE GOING THERE ,,THEY WILL SLAP YOUR CHOPS UP EVERY DAY,LIKE YOU SLAP THEIRS WHEN THEIR DEAD….SHAMEFUL ,,YOU COMMIE LOVER ,,,STALIN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU AS A SWEET BOY HE COULD USE IN THOSE DAYS LIKE DURANTY,,THE USA JOURNALIST IN MOSCOW ,, A BAGMAN COMMIE WHO WON A PULITZER PRIZE FOR LIES LIKE YOU PUBLISH HERE ,,,GET A REAL JOB AND STOP THE COMMIE PATRIOTIC HOBBIE NOSTALGIA ,,, LENIN LOVER!!! STICK IT ROBBIE BOY..YOU KNOW WHERE ,,BANDU HET,,IN UKRAINIAN THAT MEANS SHAME !!!

  57. Adam Humphreys

    I would like to know how many deaths could be attributed to Boris Yeltsin?

  58. wow you are truly not worth a reply to this jew propaganda of yours, but i will..
    you are such a little little man, every time you can’t win a discussion you play a godwin(yeah look it up you little illiterate kosher swine) and call your opponent a nazi. typical..

    waiting for your banned, as that is the most intelligent remark you wrote on this page. you are not worth pixels on this page.

    why don’t you just kill yourself!?!

    come on kill yourself!

    kill yourself!

    do it!

  59. RobertZ

    Wow.
    I’ve been around a long time, but never realized what slime and troglodytes still survived under the rocks turned over in comments on this page! Now I feel like an ingenue, amazed at the depths of ignorance people will proudly share with the world.

    The transitory nature of history is only in the remarkable ability for humanity to reinvent it to suit its temporal passions. Usually, I find we tend to start with our favored hate in mind, then bend, forget and distort facts to resemble the thing we want to be true. The reason this works so well is that unlike in mathematics, we don’t have calculators to give us the correct answers which are the same every time, and so feel at liberty to “interpret” because someone once told us our own uninformed opinion was as valid as any other’s.

    It’s not, people. Some of you are real idiots who need to keep quiet until you’ve learned a thing or two. We’ve expanded this sense of liberty to addressing the real world as if we could create its truths to suit our own bigotries. In that way, it reminds me of the study of the “science” of economics.

    Some Background:

    A long time ago, a peasant took his wife from Ukraine to America where he worked in a steel mill in Pennsylvania. The woman gave birth to a son, and realizing that she really hated the stench, black air and prejudice of America, took her baby back to a farm in the old country. Dad soon followed, because he missed the woman but arrived with “money” he used to buy farm land. They were happy until Germany came, then the Brits, and Americans. The invaders, collectively, didn’t care it was planting season, and killed everyone on the farm except baby, the mother, and a brother. I’m sure it was an accident, because Americans are good. Brits are decent. Germans are great engineers. Their bombs and bullets just didn’t care one way or another.

    So, baby grew up, and realizing he was an American living in a foreign land, went back home to warm, smoggy Pennsylvania to make a family of his own. I mention this vignette because he was my grandpa. The unfortunates left behind were born in Ukraine, farmers who would have been the “victims” of the the Holodomor.

    To all the later “insightful” opinions from Arabs, Anti-semites, and Nazis who comfortably tender their mindless blather from the comfortable confines of a Mercedes S-Class, I suggest you stick to subjects with which you are more knowledgeable, like hating other human beings. Just be sure to note that there is no fact in the opinions you render, and that you’re a hater. That would be the start of an honest discussion. Farmers are proud to know dirt, and you need to stay out of this discussion if your nails are clean.

    I know that Grandpa hated Joseph Stalin. He didn’t much like Jews, either, but was the best Challah-twister his bakery ever had, and changed his mind about Jews when his only daughter married one, because he loved his son-in-law. He still hated Stalin, but always loved America ’till the day we put his remains in the ground. In black Pennsylvania soil. God Bless America.

    The facts of the case:

    Little Joey was raIsed a Georgian Orthodox Christian (Grandpa was a closely-related Russian Orthodox Christian), so I’m confused about the religious, anti-semetic overtones. By the time “Big Joe” got to run things, the Bolsheviks had already ousted the hated Jews from their midst, and Trotsky, Christian-baby-eating, blood-sucking, cloven-hooved, pointy-tailed Jewish beast that he was, had been assassinated by Stalin in Mexico. This is not to suggest that Stalin was actually a Christian at the time of the demise, though I bet he prayed like hell to Allah or Um or Jehovah just before he expired. The evil ones always try to find an “out” at the last second.

    If you’re a Christian, you can pretend he was Muslim, because every “True Child of God” knows they like to kill people, and really do enjoy death (especially that of others) and Christians really love Jews now. If you read Fundamentalist Christian literature, you’d know that after 2000 years, they’ve finally realized The Savior Himself was Jewish, too (God help all you other heathens!);

    if you’re a Jew, you can pretend he was a Christian or Muslim because they’ve both always enjoyed killing Jews, and everyone knows Muslims still eat Christian and Jewish babies on kabob skewers at their religious holidays because we’ve heard the stories in church and synagog (they have just the right marinade to cover the nasty taste);

    if you’re a Muslim, you can pretend he was a Jew or Christian who liked to put high explosives in humus and steal land from Arabs while poisoning their figs and olive oil. Now, there’s a strategy.

    Uh…how many “Gods” did I cover, anyway? I thought He was One. Oh well. We’re not, and that’s all that really matters, right?

    Hopefully, we’re on the same page now, you damn fool “Children of God” (and if I were your Father, I’d beat you all soundly and send you to bed without TV.)

    A little history:

    In the internecine communist power struggle pre 1917, the faction with which the Russian Jewish community had aligned itself had been expelled from the Bolshevik Party. A bit paranoid, Joe was wont to erase friends and allies – he didn’t brook rivals at all. Oops. I guess the Jews got screwed again. So, it’s odd that any “thinker” could structure the phrase “Jewish Bolsheviks” in a Russian milieu post 1917, knowing that throughout Russian history Jews were mere chattel for Cossacks and peasants to string up for fun in pogroms. For those Americans reading (and most of us don’t read as a matter of principle, because it hurts our heads too much, and distracts from football on TV), imagine our old joy of stringing up dark-skinned people, the parades and stump speeches afterwards.

    Stalin thought he could collectivize farms in his realm (I did mention my family had a farm there, yes?) I doubt he intended to kill the folks who grew all the food the nation needed to survive – he was simply inept. And evil. After all, Ukraine was the “bread basket” of the region, and Stalin ate his pants one leg at a time, like everyone else. The plan was to build steel mills, forge plough shares into guns, the sort of modernization that the Tsars didn’t think about because they were too busy waltzing beneath gold chandeliers, eating caviar, and visiting Paris in spring. Sometimes the worst-laid plans fail.

    Now, the Jewish Commies in the US are a different story, as they didn’t have pointy tails like the ones in Russia, and they didn’t know what a meanie Joe was, because he lied to them. Joe liked to lie. He lied to Roosevelt, Truman, and his own mother when he said “I didn’t do it, Mom!” (He went to hell just for that, kids!)

    They thought they were Bolsheviks, even much later than 1934, because they thought Frieda and Lord Voldemort killed ‘ol Leon Trotsky, which was only half correct, because it was on order of Big Joe Himself. The Americans didn’t say anything at the time because, while they didn’t like Stalin, they hated Trotsky even more because he was a Jew, and were glad that Frieda painted pictures of parrots and fruit, and could be enlisted to do the laundry later, if needed.

    I’ll confess, I love fine art. I can’t imagine Frieda Kahlo sticking the knife in (despite all evidence to the contrary), so I invented a villain from fantasy.
    See how it works, bigots?

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