The Birth of the Caucasian Race

An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman.

An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman.

A reconstruction of a very early European, based on fragments found in caves in the Carpathian Mountains of Romania from 2002 on, offers a tantalizing glimpse at what early Europeans must have looked like.

He actually looks a bit like Richard Steele, boxing referee and possible throwback.

Previously, the oldest European skull was 30,000 years ago and was said to look like a modern European, with closest affinities to Finns.

As you can see, the White nationalists are furious about this.

The “White European” phenotype as we know it today did not come into existence until after 12,000 years ago, or maybe sooner.

Before that, European Caucasians resemble Arabs. For instance, a 24,000 year old Cro-Magnon European shows DNA similarities to Near East (Arabs or the Caucasus). A 23,000 year old Italian Cro-Magnon sample genetically resembles modern Middle Easterners from Palestine, Syria, Yemen and Iran.

Cro-Magnon was not The Original White Man. He was a Middle Easterner – an Arab-Iranian type.

The original Proto-Asians came out of Africa 65,000 years ago, probably descendants of the M168 line, although NE Asians are probably partly M89.

The original Caucasians did indeed come out of Africa about 40-45,000 years ago, probably descendants of the M89 line. Whites and Caucasians in general are probably a legacy of M89 and not M168.

M89 birthed M45, which are the Proto-Amerindians of 35,000 years ago, on the steppes and in the Mongolia-Siberia region. A child of M45, M173, were the first Europeans, and may be represented by this fellow. Later, M343, the real Cro-Magnon, appeared. It is a bit confusing whether Cro-Magnon is M173 or M343 or both.

The early genesis of the Caucasoid race involved a large injection of Asian genes from Mongolia, Siberia and East Turkestan. This occurred about 40-45,000 years and represents about 2/3 of the proto-Caucasian genetic line (Bowcock 1991). These proto-East Asians probably looked something like Aborigines or possibly Ainu. Modern NE Asians do not appear until about 9,000 years ago.

Before that, all Asians looked like Aborigines, Melanesians, or Ainus. As noted above, the modern European phenotype also only appears 10,000 years ago. So both modern Whites and modern East Asians only go back 10,000 years, to the Last Glacial Maximum. All humans had dark skin until 10,000 years ago. What birthed light skin? The glaciers.

For an analysis of this early process, which injected a lot of Proto-Asian genes into the Northern European Cro-Magnon line, see this early discussion on my now-banned blog:

Based on y-chromosome lineages, Atlantic and north European men (Cro-Magnon descendants) are related to N.E Asian men.

They all descend from haplogroup Q which arose in the north Himalayas and south Siberia 45,000 years ago, with one group branching off west eventually ending up in the Pyrenees, the Caspian sea and northern Scandinavia. The other group would go across east Asia and even to the Americas.

Indeed, there were movements in the other direction too – from Northern Europe back to Siberia. An ancient line of Europeans called Orcadians (named after barren islands in the north of Scotland) went back to Siberia at some point and contributed significantly to the genetic line of the Yakut, a Siberian grouping that is now only 6% Caucasian. The Yakut as ancient Scotlanders? Incredible.

The other 1/3 of the line was an early African (Bowcock 1991), maybe a Proto-Caucasian African out of South Africa (see below). Out of the Proto-African and Proto-Asian mixture was birthed the Proto-Caucasian.

The African phenotype was not Bantuoid because modern Blacks do not appear in Africa until about 12,000 years ago.

I have always wondered what these folks looked like, and this is an interesting part of our heritage.

In the Amren article linked above, commenter JPT is not correct that Whites are on our way to being a different species. Caucasians, Blacks and East Asians are still fairly closely related.

The furthest apart are Blacks and Aborigines. If anyone is evolutionarily on their way to becoming a separate species or subspecies, it is the Aborigines and the Papuans of New Guinea. The distance between them and Africans is greater than the distance between any two human groups.

It might be interesting to see what happens if they mate. I am pretty sure that they can mate successfully, but it might be interesting to see if their couples are less fertile than others. As genetic distance increases, infertility does too because you are moving closer and closer to separate species. I know that Europeans and Aborigines can mate successfully, as there has been a ton of this going on since the first White invaders attacked (I mean landed on) Australia several hundred years ago.

Speaking of Aborigines, yes, they are very different, but they are not Homo Erectus as many say. They are fully human. Homo Erectus lives to this day in large numbers in San Fransisco.

What follows is reconstruction of the genesis of the early Caucasians.

First of all, a line descended from the original M1 line out of Africa arose in Southwest Asia in the Levant (Israel, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria). This line had come out of Africa via Somalia to Yemen and Arabia 40-45,000 years ago.

It’s known that they went back to Africa, but it was always thought that they went back the same way that they came, via the Red Sea. Instead, they moved out through the Sinai and into North Africa to become the Proto-Berbers. This same line moved into Europe via the same Mediterranean route, this time along the Northern Mediterranean. These folks indeed may have been related to the fellow pictured above.

The most succinct summary of the Proto-Caucasians is found here.The actual birthplace of the Proto-Caucasians was in the Caucasus, as one may expect. A figurine has been found in the Don River area of southern Russia dating from 45,000 years ago. It is thought that this is a remnant of this earliest Proto-Caucasian culture.

Proto-Caucasian Man came out of the Caucasus 39-52,000 years ago. One went west to Europe, possibly resulting in the fellow above and N. Africa (this is the line out of the Levant described above) and other east to NE Asia, probably the M89 line described above, and this in part explains Caucasian affinities of Koreans, North Chinese, Mongolians, etc.

There were also further returns to North Africa from Caucasus and India 30,000 years ago. It appears that the birthing grounds of the Caucasian Race were in the Caucasus, the Middle East, India and North Africa. The highly modern East Indian and North African Berbers – both diverse groups of Caucasians – may be the remains of the earliest proto-Caucasians.

It is interesting to postulate on what the proto-Caucasians who moved out of Africa via the Red Sea 42,000 years ago looked like. No one knows. However, curiously, 36,000 years ago a new line arose in South Africa. It looked like a Caucasian, specifically like Cro-Magnon and other Late Pleistocene cave man types in Europe.

No one knows what happened to this line, but this proto-Caucasian in South Africa 36,000 years ago could have moved up to the Rift Valley area and then to Arabia to give rise to the Caucasians. Keep in mind that by the time that Africans moved out of Africa, only 2 lines left.

At 65,000 YBP (years before present) an incredible 40 different lines had already evolved separately in Africa, and they were all quite different. Only two of these 40 diverse lines left Africa. The rest stayed and birthed the tremendously diverse African race of today.

It’s often said that the Khoisan-Bushmen of Southwest Africa are the most ancient living people. However, recent research shows that this is wrong. The most ancient humans are from East Africa, specifically from around Kenya and Tanzania.

This includes the Masai (thought to be originally from the Sudan), the Sandawe (a Khoisan type in northern Kenya), the Datog (similar to the Masai, and probably also originally from the Sudan), and the Burunge and Gorowaa, both of whom came from Ethiopia recently.

The African Eve, the first human, was probably a Northeast African or East African. Man probably originated in Ethiopia or Sudan, close to the Rift Valley that transformed the first men from apes and watered the fields of the long line of Homo that ended in ourselves.

From a dead link discussing Tishkoff’s findings:

Sarah Tishkoff of the University of Maryland and a team of coworkers reported genetic analyses of more than 600 living Tanzanians from 14 different tribes and four linguistic groups. They analyzed mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) the tool of choice for tracing ancestry because it is inherited only through the mother as part of the ovum.

The number of mutations that have accumulated in mtDNA is a rough measure of the time that has passed since that lineage first appeared.

The owner of the first modern human mtDNA (by definition, a woman) is often referred to as “Eve,” although many women of that time are likely to have shared similar mtDNA.

Genetic diversity

Tishkoff and her colleagues chose to investigate East African peoples for specific reasons. The number of linguistic and cultural differences is unusually high in the region, as is the variation in physical appearance – East Africans are tall or short, darker-skinned or lighter-skinned, round-faced or narrow-faced, and so on.

This observation suggested that the genetic composition of the population is highly diverse, and as expected, the team found substantial variation in the mtDNA.

In fact, members of five of the lineages showed an exceptionally high number of mutations compared with other populations, indicating that these East African lineages are of great antiquity.

Identified by tribal affiliation, these are: the Sandawe, who speak a “click” language related to that of the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert; the Burunge and Gorowaa, who migrated to Tanzania from Ethiopia within the last five thousand years; and the Maasai and the Datog, who probably originated in the Sudan.

The efforts of the University of Maryland group reflect a substantially larger database and more certain geographic origins for its subjects than earlier mtDNA studies.

Further, the work by Tishkoff’s team reveals that these five East African populations have even older origins than the !Kung San of southern Africa, who previously had the oldest known mtDNA.

“These samples showed really deep, old lineages with lots of genetic diversity,” Tishkoff says. “They are the oldest lineages identified to date. And that fact makes it highly likely that ‘Eve’ was an East or Northeast African. My guess is that the region of Ethiopia or the Sudan is where modern humans originated.”

For more links between the Tutsi – Masai types and the original Europeans, see the following early discussions (here, here, here) from my previous (now shut down) blog. It’s a bit hard to get your head around, but if you think hard, you can start to understand it.

I spent months trying to figure out exactly what this guy was saying, and I think I have it now. His intriguing comments strongly suggest that the earliest Cro-Magnon ancestors were derived from populations that are now the East African Masai, Tutsi, etc:

Masai and Tutsi are doliocephalic and orthaganus. Tutsi and Masai Central African types are quite low skulled, like the original Cro-Magnons were. Also MtDNA retrieved from a Cro-Magnon in Europe was found to belong to haplogroup *N, which directly and immediately descends from L3, which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Some of its clades went south and then east onto Australasia, while the northern clade went to the Middle East and gave birth to *N, and other clades went to West Africa and south.

It’s the northern subclades of L3 that gave birth to *N (like l3a1) that are the most closely related L3 members, and Sub Saharan Africans are closest to *N bearing Cro-Magnons, as they are their most immediate and closest ancestors.

It would be interesting to see if the Tutsi and Masai have any of these northern subclades of L3, as they are more closely related to Cro-Magnon *N than any other MTDNA lineage in the world.

What I cant get my head around is the overlap in identical SNP clusters (Caucasoid) between populations of predominantly different patrilineal and matrilineal ancestry. e.g. e3b Ethiopians (also predominantly indigenous African on mtDNA) and r1a/I1a Norwegians.

R1a and Ia descend from K, which arose in the Middle East, and e3b descends from YAP, which arose in Uganda. The nearest ancestor of R* and I* and J* Europeans/Middle Easterners with E3b Ethiopians is the M168 male, which is the ancestor of all other modern humans, so they share as little as possible recent ancestry.

On mtDNA East Africans are predominantly L3, which is the direct ancestor of mtDNA N*, which is the original Middle Eastern Caucasoid mtDNA marker, which has been retrieved from 2 European Cro-Magnon specimens too. I wonder if East Africans have northern subclades of L3, as they would be the most closely related L3 subclades to N*.

See below. They do look like White people, don’t they?

An example of a Dinka, an example of what I call a West Sudan Elongated Desert Adapated African. This man is a negotiator for the SPLA, the Sudanese People's Liberation Army.

An example of a Dinka, an example of what I call a West Sudan Elongated Desert Adapted African. This man is a negotiator for the SPLA, the Sudanese People’s Liberation Army.

A Masai man. The more I look at this guy, the more I think he looks like our 36,000 year old Caucasian guy reconstructed at the start of the post. Or am I hallucinating?

A Masai man. The more I look at this guy, the more I think he looks like our 36,000 year old Caucasian guy reconstructed at the start of the post.

More Dinka West Sudan Elongated Desert African phenotypes.

More Dinka West Sudan Elongated Desert African phenotypes.

Another West Sudanic type, from an old anthropological textbook, back in the days when race still existed and we could still discuss phenotypes and whatnot. You know, before the Cultural Marxist dickwads took over?

Another West Sudanic type, from an old anthropological textbook, back in the days when race still existed and we could still discuss phenotypes and whatnot.

A Tutsi, possible ancestors of the original proto-Caucasians. Note the Caucasoid appearance.

A Tutsi, possible ancestors of the original proto-Caucasians. Note the Caucasoid appearance.

Another Tutsi. I must say they are handsome folks. Hey WN's, say hello to Grandpa!

Another Tutsi. I must say they are handsome folks.

Yet another Tutsi. I can't get over how much these Africans look like Caucasians or Whites in facial structure.

Yet another Tutsi. I can’t get over how much these Africans look like Caucasians or Whites in facial structure.

Eastern Desert Elongated Africans, possible progenitors of the Caucasoids, look like Caucasians. One argument is that this is due to inbreeding with Caucasoids. In fact, they are pure Africans. See the chart.

Eastern Desert Elongated Africans, possible progenitors of the Caucasoids, look like Caucasians. One argument is that this is due to inbreeding with Caucasoids. In fact, they are pure Africans. See the chart.

Another chart showing the African purity of the possible proto-Caucasoids of Africa. Take home point: Caucasian appearance is not due to Caucasoid interbreeding; it's de novo.

Another chart showing the African purity of the possible proto-Caucasoids of Africa. Take home point: Caucasian appearance is not due to Caucasoid interbreeding; it’s de novo.


Bowcock, AM, Kidd, JR, Mountain, JL, Hebert, JM, Carotenuto, L, Cavalli-Sforza, LL and Kid, KK. February 1, 1991. Drift, Admixture, and Selection in Human Evolution: A Study With DNA Polymorphisms. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 88(3): 839–843.

Cabrera, Vicente M, Maca-Meyer, Nicole, González, Ana M, Larruga, José M, Flores, Carlos. 2001. Major Genomic Mitochondrial Lineages Delineate Early Human Expansions. BMC Genetics 2:13

Hellenthal G, Auton A, Falush D. 2008. Inferring Human Colonization History Using a Copying Model. PLoS Genetics 4(5).

Wade, Nicholas. 2006. Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors. East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA: Penguin Group.

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290 responses to “The Birth of the Caucasian Race

  1. Lafayette Sennacherib

    Very interesting. Sort of on topic, I came upon a book recently, by Felice Vinci: ‘the Baltic Origins of Homer’s Epic Tales’. My first reaction was ” oh, another one of these…” but he seems to have impressed a few serious people with it, and it sounds like a very interesting thing to explore further. Read the blurb and especially the customer reviews ( particularly the 2 long ones) here:

    In short, his theory is that the reason that Homer’s place descriptions can’t be tallied with anywhere in the Mediterranean is that the stories were (obviously) actually located in the Baltic ( he’s found Baltic locations that match the descriptions and journey) , before a drastic drop in temperature led these people to move South to the Aegean shores, bringing their tales with them.

    It was talk of ‘Orcadian’ man that seemed to make this slightly relevant; there are underground villages in Orkney and Shetland, made of stone, which had running water systems, from earlier than 3000 years ago (I think). Nothing (last time I looked) seems to be known about who lived there. Felice’s theory, if proven, would start to draw this mysterious early Baltic and North Sea culture ( including Stonehenge possibly) into the historical picture.

  2. Yeah, I do not know what to say about that, LS. There is a lot of talk lately about Scandinavians and Iranians – Azerbaijanis being related. On some gene charts, they line right up. Now they have found artifacts that look the same from both regions. One theory is that the Iranian types got on boats and went up rivers to settle up in Scandinavia.

    There is a new group that moves into the region about 4000 years ago, and there are way too many blonde and blue eyed Azeris to make sense. There are also quite a few “Black Swedes” and no one knows where they came from. I dated one once. She could have been an Iranian.

    The WN’s who get all hung up on N Europeans versus S Europeans (As if this were the worst problem facing Whites these days!) are idiots. Real researchers, even the racists and Nazis, long noted that there was a lot of early movement between the two groups. Nordics themselves are part-Med, Meds having gone north at some point, and apparently vice versa.

    So many of these mysteries may never be solved since folks were not writing stuff down.

    I believe that the Orcadians may have been around even longer than 3000 yrs ago, but I may have to ask my brother. They were clearly one of the most advanced civilizations on Earth at the time in some ways anyway. My bro is taking a History of Britain course right now.

    He needs an antidote to the Anti-White Studies curriculum, which is what he calls the PC “multicultural” crap being shoved down his, and all beginning students’ throats. Anti-White Studies curricula is a requirement for graduation!

  3. Tad

    I’m thinking of taking that “multicultural” crap this summer along with sociology. Then all the WNs had better watch out. I’m new here. Does WN stand for “White nigger?”

  4. WN stands for White nationalist, but you can call them White niggers if you like. They really really love to be called that. LOL.

    • kwad

      did you eventually find that haplogroup E is asian the gene found in black people that means that blacks are not native in comparision to capoid and pygmy they are the only true africans. but the gene relocated to africa.

      • Your Scientifical Highness

        If funny you have deep socialpathic hate towards black you either asre aware or unaware of. Either way I direct reflection of your savage beast way of living. Reflection of how you are not fit to inhabitant the Earth to long. Reflection of your recessive genes and your need to mix with Original melanated ppl in order to survive. … The only TRUE RACE IS THE WHITE RACE, WHOM ARE IN A RACE WITH TIME…..THE BLACK MAN HAS BEEN HERE FOR MILLENNIA AND REMAIN HERE, EVERLASTINGLY. THE VISION IS SET. YOUR TIME IS AT HAND….YACUBS GRAFTED GERM.

        • Sharon

          As a black woman I would just like to ask you to chill out on the whole racial superiority thing. You’re just like them when you talk like that. We don’t need anymore hatred on either side. I think most people are looking for answers about where we came from to give us a better perspective about where we are headed. All races, ethnicities, tribes, etc. have contributed to the survival and advance of mankind. This world belongs to God and not any single race or group has ownership rights. We have a huge universe left to explore so we have to pull together to explore the rest of the world and every group has talents and skills they can contribute. Please put your anger aside and don’t be one of the hateful monster like those people on Stormfront. You lose your humanity when you choose to become like that and stop seeing people as how God chose to make them instead you will start seeing enemies everywhere. Hate is a cowardly trait caused by fear. Live a courageous life and don’t let fear overcome in your life. Read, study, improve yourself, pass on knowledge and positive experiences and you will have done a lot for mankind.

          “Who you are is God’s gift to you. Who you become is your gift to God”

        • EPGAH

          What about the savages’ deep sociopathic hate of their betters?

        • Keepingitreal1966

          @Sharon, I don’t think Your Scientifical Highness was trying to “flex” superiority muscles. Probably got passionate with his comment, but I clearly understand. As a Black woman, I am tired of witnessing our people feeling inferior. So if I could give them reasons to feel superior, even for a moment, I will. The bottom line is, unfortunately, Caucasians people are in the position to be racist because currently they have control of the “systems” in this world. They need to learn real facts about where they come from, which are caves and grafted by Yacob for a reason; and they are acted out like children…spoiled, rotten children by creating havoc on this planet. Our ancestors, Egyptians are the Mother and Father of civilization, masters of science, math, medicine, technology, air crafts, infrastructure to say the least. Build pyramids that can not be replicated to this day. White people stole our ancestors’ inventions and claimed it as their own. So people like you would say/think, “We all contributed to greatness in this world”…that’s BS. In the Black man/woman lowest point during slavery, we continued to build and invent things. We need to feel proud of those accomplishments, teach our children TRUTH. And it’s a great lesson for white people too because most of us we fed lies. That’s why Caucasian people feel superior and Black people feel inferior. Its time to break down the walls of lies, handle challenges with truth to set all of us feel. The Creator is not pleased. His Chosen people are ready to be submissive and not stiff-neck, hard headed as described in the bible. We have learned our lessons of worshipping idols and ready for the “New World Order”. These recessive people, Caucasian are destroying this planet. May they repent for their sins and the Creator have mercy on all of us.

        • EPGAH

          You are not spreading truth, you are LYING. You are accusing whites of being the destroyers, but we are the ones being destroyed. When you say no group has ownership rights, you say that so you can take what we built and destroy us if we get in the way.

          You did invent some things, but you keep claiming things you did NOT invent, which makes you look ridiculous when the TRUTH is about 5 seconds away on Google. You built, yes, but only under duress and direction. Without direction, your true form as arsonists comes out.
          We are not the spoiled rotten children, YOU ARE. You get our benefits, our food, our healthcare, the comfort of our invention, even the safety of our countries, then you turn on us, rape and kill us, destroy what we build, and whine that you don’t have nice things.
          Positive experience for you, fear for us.

          Hint : supremacism is about ruling over others, survivalism is about staying alive. If a group is worried about its disappearance due to mass-immigration and miscegenation, even outright violence, then they are survivalists and not supremacists. Falsely accusing them of supremacism raises the suspicion that you don’t want them to survive.

        • EPGAH

          What reason do you think you have to feel superior? You are stiff-necked, you are violent, you breed at our expense, you exist only at our suffering — and no, I don’t mean sufferance, your continued uncontrolled existence causes suffering to your hosts! Where do you get that you are Egyptian, much less that Egyptians are somehow related to the aircraft and modern infrastructure? This is another lie you attempt to pass off as truth, to puff yourselves up, only to deflate further and hurt even MORE when anyone exposes it as the LIE it is!

          Just be content with what your people DID invent, stop trying to claim things you DIDN’T!
          We did ALL contribute, your people contributed mostly muscle, our people were the brains, and that arrangement worked, now you want to be given the privilege of being equal to us without EARNING it!
          Stop breaking the laws, stop attacking our civilians and our police, stop whining or burning down cities when you get punished!

          We feel superior because we’ve EARNED it. At what point does it stop being arrogance and start being proud of what we’ve accomplished?
          90% of the inventions of the world come from America, NASA invented 3X as much as any country, INCLUDING the rest of the world.
          Our countries are safe and stable, yours are Hell once you overthrow AUTHORITY! You are stiff-necked, maybe you make the excuse you “have” to be in this world, but even God says to submit to authority.

        • Derek

          Hahaha so a friend of mine told me to come look at this conversation about blacks claiming that they invented everything , my response to this is how in the fuck did inferior people take over your by far superior civilizations , how did we remove that intelligence on top of it. The truth is you never had them no different than today , everything you have is a result of by far more superior races , whites being the most:). We must be some bad mother fucking cavemen to take out an advanced civilization of nig nogs with aircraft with just clubs:)

        • mike


          the oldest negro skeleton/mummy to date is 5,600 years old, the caucasian Hofmeyr cranium in south africa is 37,000 years old. there are numerous caucasian findings from 45 to 48 thousand years old, they is not evidence negroes existed before the warming of africa 7000 years ago, the “Bantu expansion”. “out of africa”, the diaspora, occurred during an ice age, those leaving were following receding glaciers and ice sheets. “African” and “negro are different, 1/3rd of africa, north africa, has always been predominately caucasian,

        • This is so interesting, with so much play on White Americans, Black Americans, both want the world to believe the other race is the lesser, the less dignified, the less intelligent.

          Holy mackerel, what a shock, the mighty white race do not even know where it came from!!! Low and behold, I pass as white but come from the American Indian also, which is neither black or white, but brown. Where did the brown race come from.

        • Human-oid

          EPGAH just go do your research. I found a video of the OLDEST skull/bones found which, in fact, when reconstructed, a WOMAN of color. You ppl in these comments are racist and it is sick!! So what if you’re black?? Embrace it, dude!! Don’t hate it. Btw, blacks pay taxes too so no, you don’t pay anyone’s way. America as a whole does you prick!!!!

    • TH Huxley

      Someone said: “the caucasian Hofmeyr cranium in south africa is 37,000 years old”

      But this skull is pretty much 50% in between caucasoid and negroid, according to actual studies.

      Racistards are gonna tard.

      • Bru

        If that skull is “50% Caucasoid” then that would make even the most prognathous persons anywhere in the world today or anytime having a 50% or more “Caucasoid” skull.

        • You do know that “prognathous” traits, while varying between races in degree, isn’t what determines what race it is.

          Did you even read the link or even aware of what structural differences separate different races?

        • Also, I believe you are thinking of prognathous standards of modern Europeans, NOT ones tens of thousands years in the past.

          “Its strongest morphometric affinities are with Upper Paleolithic (UP) Eurasians rather than recent, geographically proximate people. The Hofmeyr cranium is consistent with the hypothesis that UP Eurasians descended from a population that emigrated from sub- Saharan Africa in the Late Pleistocene.”

  5. Tad

    So anyway Robert, that was an impressive article you wrote on genetics. How long did it take you to write it? Do you take notes or do you just keep all that information in your mind?

  6. mathilda37

    The skin is way too dark. Any sane recon would have had him at a near Eastern tan colour, and red and fair hair variant also date to well prior to this age. Modern humans were out of Africa and in the near East for about 60k before they moved into Europe- there would be no reason to have such a melanin protected skin.

  7. Sleep

    I agree with Mathilda. You say early Caucasians looked like Arabs … that guy looks nothing like any Arabs I’ve ever met. I also doubt that skin color suddenly became uniformly light only 10,000 years ago in Europe, Asia, and the Americas.

  8. Lafayette Sennacherib

    That face they reconstructed – can they find evidence for skin pigmentation? I mean, there’s no particular reason for that guy looking negroid. No, it’s not an Arab face, but there are a lot of Scottish and Irish faces that have some resonance, a particular type of face. Those are the faces I know best of course; maybe it crops up in other nationalities too. The nose is too flat and wide, but the slightly Mongolian cheekbones and eyes crop up a lot. There’s a type of Irish face that has that flat wide nose too, but I’ve never seen it in combination with those cheekbones. Have a look at these pictures of boxer Barry McGuigan and try to imagine him without eyebrows or hair (easier in the later photos). Or Robert Carlyle, the psycho in Trainspotting – he’s sort of got that face too.

  9. Mort Goldman

    Interesting how both WNs and Afrocentrists want to see anyone who isn’t clearly white or East Asian as Negroid. This must say something…

  10. Yeah but what does it mean? They both want to see Blacks everywhere, even where they are not. This means…? They are both obsessed with Blacks. Yeah, that’s it.

  11. GenX in Oz

    M343 power!

    • What i would like to know is which whites were the inhabitants of sodom and gommorah. It’s obvious the whites were the same natives that occupied these cities and that the Jews knew who they were.

  12. GenX in Oz

    And on Australian Aborigines, us evil whites here have known for almost 100 years that they have recessive genes.
    It only takes two generations of breeding with whites to almost completely remove their distinct physical characteristics.
    I’m sure that was the goal of ‘the Stolen Generation’.
    After committing genocide on their people, legally hunting them until the 1950’s, trying to bred them out of existense they still have trouble assimulating.
    Even our HRC focus up until recently was on the 1950’s< immigration.
    Go figure.
    I used to visit with a Taiwanese spiritualist, who told me that every race has it’s own karmic bill to pay, maybe we’re paying ours now.

  13. Wow, pretty amazing comments, Gen X. It would be weird if the Stolen Generation thing was actually an officially approved Eugenics program.

  14. GenX in Oz

    ‘Us evil whites here have known for almost 100 years that they have recessive genes’.

    Typical to myself, I make a speculative comment, now I have to back it up (and quickly research my assertion, after the fact).
    I should qualify what I’ve said further by saying it’s a much debated and contentious ‘theory’.
    Known here as part of the ‘history wars’ .

    Thanks to good old Wikipedia on…
    the ‘Stolen Generations’

    Dr. Cecil Cook, perceived the continuing rise in numbers of “half-caste” children as a problem. His proposed solution was:
    “ Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white. ”
    Similarly, the Chief Protector of Aborigines in Western Australia, AO Neville, wrote in an article for The West Australian in 1930:
    “ Eliminate the full-blood and permit the white admixture to half-castes and eventually the race will become white. ”
    Or from a interesting document

    From this document….
    “The crossbreed. This type alone presents
    several different classes, each requiring
    special treatment—
    1. Those with a preponderance of
    aboriginal blood and entirely
    aboriginal in character and
    2. The cross with lower types of alien
    races such as Pacific Islanders,
    Malays, Africans.
    ;>. The European-aboriginal cross or
    those with higher Asiatic types.
    4. The quadroon and octoroon with
    preponderance of European
    I think it is generally recognized that the care
    of the aboriginal, no matter what the breed, is, to
    a large degree, a health problem.”

    Also …
    (I love those old textbook pictures).
    It seems the offical rational for removing the children was that it was “for their own protection”.
    It’s kind of confusing, there is talk in these old documents about wanting to perserve full bloodied Aborigines as they are more desirible than the various ‘half-castes’.
    But I believe that we weren’t stupid back then, and that we knew what we were doing.

    Anecdotally I’ve had friends myself who I’ve found out to have a full blood Aboriginal grandparent, but the friend themselves have vitually no visual sign of that ancestory at all.

    And I dated a girl whose background was Chinese/Aboriginal/Irish (a firey combination) and you could see the Chinese Irish elements in her quite clearly, but the Aboriginal I could only see in the shape of her forehead.

    And to be honest the genocide I was referring to in my prior post was more so about various shooting massacres that had occurred.

    I just thought you may have found the recessive gene observation interesting with your background.
    Though I do have some prejudices, being someone who frequents Amren.
    I do fear that by highlighting this issue I’m just adding more bricks to the already heavy ‘white guilt’ load. Though the perpetrators of our collective crimes are long gone.

    I sincerely feel nothing but sympathy for the Aborigines, as they are a broken people and it gives me no pleasure to see them on their knees (or with a bottle of meths in their hands).

    My mother shared a story with me about her travelling with my big, loud, brash African American (6’2, 300 pound ex USN Bosen) ex-stepfather. Who was on a train with my mother on a trip to Perth (Western Australia).
    Compared to (some) American’s, Australian’s are a quiet people who don’t like a scene.
    Aparentally my ex-stepfather walked through this train swearing loudly, greeting and complaining as he and my mother boarded. They found their seat across from a Aborigine father with his two children.
    My mother described the kids as having eyes and mouths wide open in shock and awe at seeing this very large, loud black man who was very happily throwing his weight around and letting his presence be known with no fear.
    Whilst at the same time their father, could only keep his head down and could not bare to look my stepfather in his face out of shame.
    That story though fairly eventless, for some reason haunts me. Maybe more so now that I am a father too.

    • curt

      I personally don’t care much about color or what cultural races accomplished whatever it was in the past or who’s running the show now..all human species/earth human species received support threw a greater intelligence regardless if it ufo, alien , God ,demonic or good ..This is a spiritual war played into reality but much more deeper then what we would imagine and we all need answers not opinions cause we deserve it.Honestly the last thing I want to hear is what race is better than the other or smarter or what’s better light or dark knowing there are beings from different planets who look more different than earth people(WHITE,BLACK,ASIAN,LATINO,INDIAN,ETC.) u people always brag regardless what culture..that’s problem one..Omg their winning as of this moment ..this whole world order system is manipulated and we are in the middle like sheep there playing use against each other this..this is part of the process ..their the masterminds not( man/human.).

  15. Katie

    perfect post,you timelined this beautifully,a coherant sweep of pre-history.

  16. Katie

    the m173 recon reminds me greatly of the skulls they found on crete and reconstructed,I believe the guy doing them called them ‘thugs’.

    here’s a female –

  17. Thank you very much, Katie. From what era is that Minoan reconstruction?

  18. Maira

    There are many problems with this reconstruction, which others have already pointed out—modern man was out of Africa for millenia before colonizing Europe. Moreover, since the first Europeans came directly from the Middle East/Central Asia—not Africa—then the reconstructions of Middle Easterners circa 35,000 ya must look like this one from Romania. If they do not, then some serious explaining is in order. Europeans and Middle Easterners share phenotypical (“Caucasoid”) features in common precisely because the first Europeans were Middle Easterners. But according to this Romanian reconstruction, we have to accept that Caucasian features only developed later in Europe and the Middle East AFTER they had already split off from one another. How is this possible? How can we believe that Caucasian features would develop separately in two different places? That’s quite a coincidence, particularly since it also begs the question of how the Indian subcontinent figures into all of this, for Indians are also phenotypically Caucasoid. What of them? So Caucasian features developed in Europe long after 35,000 years ago, but somehow the same recipe came about in the Middle East and India too? Finally, Europe was first colonized approx. 45,000 ya, and the idea that Europeans 35,000 would still be this dark-skinned is more than just imaginative—it’s absolutely ludicrous.

    • Sharon

      What you are missing is that there is no such thing as a Caucasoid phenotype. Africans have the widest genetic expression which is why they are the oldest group. There isn’t one specific phenotype that is solely African. There are Africans with flat nose and aquiline noses. Africans with epicanthic eye folds, blonde hair, blue eyes, all skull types. Those Africans that explored the world came from various parts of the continent bringing a wide range of phenotypes. There were no white people 7,000-10,000 years ago. There hasn’t been one skeleton found that was white skin and older than 6,0000 years. Not one. Haplogroups has nothing to do with skin complexion. By the time Alexander the Great was around Europe was still vastly blacks and mulattoes and a small groups of White people but mostly mulattoes.

      • Dave Mowers

        What you are missing is the ACTUAL HISTORY AND MYTHOLOGY.

        Read it; firsthand accounts of what happened and how negate any speculative anything in science.

  19. Gustav

    Maira, “Caucasian features” don’t exist how unity. It is the product of West european features, east european features and middle east features of neolithic migrations middle east=>europe. Ancient middle easterners came to Europe 55.000-20.000BP and that people mutated to two biotypes: “West europeans” and “east-europeans” (nothing similar with actual mixed types of this regions). The first middle easterners before mutations were similar to neolithic middle easterners and similar to the less mixeds of actual middle easterners. Examples:

    However we cant discard any pygmy migrations and mixture in Europe

  20. Mary

    Watch these videos to the end, you will see the similiarities!. These are Nuer and the Dinka tribes.

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  22. Aaron

    It’s a not a “he” if the sex hasn’t been determined yet. Yet the person who recreated this is decidedly pro-male. Yeah. I agree. If they can’t determine a sex, then they shouldn’t expect the world to take them seriously on a color either. I wanna know more about this person’s political beliefs, religious background and everything that may have influenced his/her worldview.

  23. Hey, there is this video on youtube that says North Europeans are formed from East Indians.. Basically, it says that Northern Europeans are East Indian albinos.

    Here is the video. Its very intriguing.. Is there any truth to it?

    • I do not agree with that theory. White skin, blue eyes, blond hair, etc., only goes back 10,000 years. Before that, Europeans looked like Arabs. The Proto Indo Europeans moved into Europe 8000 years ago, but their homeland was really in Southern Russia, not in India.

    • Taylor

      It doesn’t even matter where someone came from. Every race came from the same African woman. When her offspring split up to different parts of the world, the isolation changed their features. Humans adapt to surroundings. White people have jutting noses. Perhaps the ancestors in Europe had to develops a keener sense of smell; accentuating the nasal passages. Now do you see why its so unnecessary to argue whether or not whites came from Africa or India? When Indians came from Africa

    • lord

      Thats pretty neat.

    • boyer

      That’s a very interesting piece.. Learn new things everyday.

  24. Mizz_X

    Interesting post. And yeah in that first picture the guy really did look white. But um…I’m not trying to start anything but you guys shouldn’t be throwing the ‘nigger’ word around like that. It’s really offensive.

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  26. bob

    Cro-mags left art, some which shows a woman’s face. They were White.

  27. Baltic

    After reading Origin of the Races by Carlton S. Coon some years ago, I came to the conclusion that the “White” skin coloration trait was an adaptation to a crushing vitamin deficiency condition that forced the abandonment of all normal solar protective skin coloration to maximize photo-nutrition.

    I believe this was caused by an abundant cereal grain diet lacking in essential nutrition and the use of cold-climate clothing that shielded ninety percent of the body from the sun.

    Just below the Arctic Cereal Limit, there is a region consisting of Central Sweden, Central Norway, and Southern Finland often called ‘Blondland’ where this adaptation reaches its extreme. This area might be the wellspring of this racial characteristic.

    I believe any person of color who tries to live clothed like a ‘Blondlander’ on a primary diet of non-vitamin enriched cereal grain will be at risk of serious vitamin deficiency diseases — perhaps this is why Negro-slavery was confined to the South in the U.S.A.

    I have read that a person of dark color cannot generate as much vitamin D by exposing their whole body to the sun as a ‘Blondlander’ can with only their forehead exposed to sunlight.

    On the other hand, I also believe that any ‘Blondlander’ who tries to live like a native of the tropics will risk suffering severe solar radiation burns, long-term skin damage, and skin cancer. This is not a good prognosis for Tarzan.

    If this conjecture is correct, the ‘White’ race as we know it did not exist before the adoption of cereal grain agriculture in northern Europe.

    • Thx, this is really excellent information. White skin only goes back maybe 9000 YBP in Europe. Blond hair and blue eyes about the same.

    • Dave Mowers

      In the story of Zoroaster it is explained that the Aryans went underground to survive an Ice Age. After thousands of years of living that way you would get deficiencies causing light skin, hair loss, hair and eye color shift. In fact, a new eye surgery is available that cuts away the top layers of the iris to reveal the natural color of all eyes; blue.

      It is claimed that blue eyes are a result of lack of sun exposure as-in living in caves or underground for very long periods of time.

    • blast

      You really think “Negro-slavery was confined to the South in the USA”? LOL. Get the Google. NY kept census reports of slaves. Idiot.

  28. rahob

    ya i see what you mean,the pictures you posted could be for people have Ethiopian ancestry regard any expansion but i think their look happened to modified

    look at this picture

    any way this good reference which give idea of how some people see things

  29. Ponto

    Europeans are not derived from East Indians. It is more likely that East Indians are partly Caucasoid. Not the “Aryan” bull type Caucasoid but from normal Caucasoids that had dark hair and eyes with a olive or brown complexion. They are also part Australoid and part Mongoloid. In a sense they are triracial in origin.

    Your synoptis of the development of Caucasoids of Europe is satisfactory according to what most people believe, mostly putative and not based on real data. Paleolithic specimens of AMH are often exaggerately said to look like us i.e modern Europeans of the historic era. They didn’t and they don’t. Cro Magnons, at least the Old Man who had half his face eaten away in his lifetime by pathogenic fungus, had an elongated body like most desert dwelling sub Saharan Africans, oddly shaped hands and other odd features not found in Europeans. Facially the Old Man would have looked like a Pacific coast Amerindian. The head shape is unmatched by any European even Finns, the Old Man has an extremely long and large head, combined with a very small broad face. Finns look like what they are, a mix of NW European, East European and West Siberians like Mansi. The European predominates in Finns. They consequently have big heads and large cheekbones like Cro Magnon did in life, but they is where the resemblance finishes.

    I personally do not accept that any European is descended from any of the Paleolithic specimens. Europeans derive from the many migrants from the Middle East, and Central Asia from the Mesolithic period through to the Neolithic with minor additions from historically known peoples like Etruscans, Phoenicians, Moors, Jews and Gypsies.

    The so called exemplar of Whiteness, the blue eyes and blond hair, was most likely introduced into Europe by I.E speaking peoples in the Bronze Age, having developed the language and the phenotype in Asia about 10 kya among Caucasoids who were R1a, and R1b Y chromosome haplogroups. In Europe, blondness is not that old, and can be found in Asia among other descendants of those I.E speakers. Red hair is another matter, and it is usually found in higher percentages in the areas which were colonised by dark haired Caucasoids later in the Neolithic period. It is possible to find red haired people in more ethnic groups and races than blond hair and blue eyes. Green eyes are found in all races.

    So I consider Europeans to be the result of result immigration events to Europe, way after the LGM, and their ties to the Old Europeans of the Paleolithic to be specious. Putting flesh on those old fragments of bones from Romania is interesting, highly imaginative and fantastic, but has nothing to do with any living peoples let alone Europeans.

    • Xera

      What about the Aryanization of North India including Bangladesh, and the various Turkic, Iranian invasions in the same parts?

      • Xera

        Just to be more precise, Bengal is counted as East, however it went through it’s own Aryanization period and faced multiple invasions from Turkic/Indo-Aryan tribes due to the place being in similar latitudes to North Indian parts that were attracked, and its near the Himalayas.

        • Dave Mowers

          The Rig Veda describes Kurgans coming through India. Kurgans were from Turkey near the area of Lake Van. Lake Van is also where Norse peoples came from as the lake is named after their god, “Van,” who is the Phoenician, “Phanes,” the progenitor of the Vanir.

          Kurgans are modern-day Kurds in Northern Iraq. 100 years ago pictures show them as distinctly Caucasoid resembling British peoples today.

    • Dave Mowers

      Red hair is an exclusively Neanderthal trait. The word Russian is founded on the root word Rus meaning red as-in red-haired peoples. The Tribe of Dan is described as red-haired, Phoenicians were said to have red hair in Libya, red-haired Caucasian mummies have been found in China and the Canary Islands. African blacks that have red hair or any other race for that matter have it due to admixture with Neanderthal.

  30. Alex

    I found this article so much patronizing and very prejudicial. Being an ethnic Tutsi myself, I have no doubt that if we did mix with other blacks we would look the same but we kept originality. Whites have mixed and form now a homogeneous group but they don’t have the same genetic makeups. As a result they have reduced prejudice among themselves but have also lost some of their traditions and languages. Everyone loves to hear that they look beautiful n’est-ce pas WN’s? well done

  31. Shawn

    Look under the fur of a monkey with brown hair; the skin is white. When monkeys evolved and lost their hair, they moved out of Africa. It took a long time for the skin to turn black. The liberals who wrote the article betray themselves with their skin color speculation: there is no evidence to say the first European was black in coloration; if anything, he or she was White.

    • White skin only shows up 12,000 YBP in Europe. Before that, Europeans skin was brown.

    • L.A.M

      You lack even the basic understanding of evolution in the first place. They’re hair didn’t just fall out one day, it was gradual. As “apes” (not monkeys) lost their body hair, they’re skin had to get darker to compensate for the radiation. They’re hair didn’t just fall out an they left Africa. They had darker skin, and as the left Africa and migrated toward colder areas with less radiation, they’re skin got lighter. The way the Europid facial structure came to be took a lot of mixing with older groups. But the lack of pigmentation came with it. When have you seen a blonde or blue eyed ape recently… Or ever?

      • Well apes ARE monkeys, just not all monkeys are apes. Just like all white people are Caucasian but not all Caucasians are white. Just like all humans are apes but not all apes are human. I’m not responding to your statements just correcting you about the apes comment.

        And your question about a ape with blue eyes…
        Here ya go ( It’s an albino chimpanzee, looks pretty cool in my opinion)

        • Casper

          there is a difference between being racially white and being white because you are albino, google albino negro. Sadly many albino negroes get eaten in Africa, some Africans believe eating albinos gives them magic. White buffalos are sacred to the Lakota and other Indian tribes, albino buffalo are not.

        • Of course there’s a difference between being albino and being white. I was just talking about a blue eyed chimpanzee because it looks cool.

  32. Shawn

    Watch 40 seconds into it. The first Europeans were “lightly” pigmented. I give you the benefit of the doubt that your liberalism isn’t coloring your scientific views regarding this; but science agrees with conservatives on this one.

  33. White people surely like to speculate that they are so unique and original. Who cares about when the first humans arrived to Europe, it does not make my life longer nor gives me the key to heaven. I’m from Ethiopia and believe that Africans glibalised the world with humans and Europeans brought diseases, hatred, racism and destruction to this world. Well there you have something to speculate about. We Africans do not care of your pointless manipulation through history, we are superior than you thats why we don’t need to speculate nor manipulate. Useless genetic default that’s what you are.

    • Whitey

      Your people accomplished nothing except living in houses made out of cow shit and flys buzzing.around your faces oh and also coming up with the idea to rape babies to get rid of aids . Whites are the onl y race that evolved . We have Albert Einstein , newton Darwin etc . The only reason you blacks are even educated is because we educated you with knowledge our brothers passed down to each other for our people .your people lived thousands of years before we were even born and in all that time your biggest accomplishment was fire , peanut butter and the super soaker..look at black run countrys haite south Africa etc they are the poorest most third world countrys on this planet look at predominantly white countrys like Canada ,german ,USA 100 years ago there the most evolved and peaceful. Your people cant even live with each without fighting and killing each other .you don’t have to believe my views look at the whole world, that’s the proof and I will look in the history books there written by whites because your people didn’t have anything to put in them because they accomplished nothing not ever except putting hand and whining for a hand out because there to stupid to do anything for themselves let alone there own people.

      • L.A.M

        Hah! Redneck. You are obviously very ignorant, to African culture pre-slavery, and you own history. Pick up a history book, and you’ll find two world wars, with millions of deaths. And tons of genocides. Not that I hate White people just because people they shared skin color with, did a bunch of evil acts. But if you’re going to be ignorant and judge a whole group of people based on nothing but stereotypes, than you need to take a look at you own race. Not in a close minded way.

      • hebrew

        We created everything cause we were created first . Through lies and thievery, manipulation you have convinced the world that you are first or original and it’s not true . One small thing if Egypt is Africa who made what in it . Your white house was built by my African mason brothers off of African mason theories

        • mike

          my uneducated negro,, historical records of the building of the white house shows that 4 negro slaves were use to haul stone to the masons

      • Zanga

        Dumb stupid made up racist shit, superior one.

      • Human-oid

        From my understanding, Europeans lived like animals before the moors came and civilized them. And black ppl left their mark on my places around the world. And evidence of them being there is still present to this day. Check out this picture!! Hindu-Buddhist sculpture of early Souteast Asia.

    • WA

      I sure don’t like to associate with Black people like yourself who still can’t see all the filth come from you Black side.

    • Dave Mowers

      The first person ever to suggest humans came from Africa did so based on the continent’s shape appearing to be a human skull. Ever since, it has been taken as a fact that homo sapiens first appeared in Africa and every research team for hundreds of years now has focused solely on Africa yet now that people are looking on other continents and in Asia they are constantly finding older remains showing that, “Out of Africa” hypotheses is just that; an opinion.

      Across Europe they have found old buried forts with archaeological remains and wood dated 20-40,000 years old. Now explain to me how this hypothesis still stands?

      How can you even begin to claim humans came from Africa when the long-standing, well-written about, funerary policy of Aryans has always been to burn the bodies of the dead? Frequency of remains cannot prove anything when the Caucasian race practice cremation for as long as anyone has ever known.

      The Tsunami that hit Sumatra pulled back waves in India several miles and exposed ancient cities that have been under water for at least 8-10,000 years but the geologic history suggests even longer. How can Africans just be coming out of Africa and there are cities along the coast of India and Pakistan?

      • You know White people didn’t even exist 20k yrs ago? Fully “White” people didn’t exist 8 to 10 yrs ago
        You understand Out Africa verifies that humans left Africa 70k to 80k yrs ago?
        you realize Aryans originated in Anatolia (Turkey) not in Western Europe & their civilization dates to between 2000bc & 3000bc & didn’t envade/migrate into India until about 1500 to 2000 bc?
        you do know the history & world view you cling to is biased & outright false in most cases?
        do you even read the latest scientific research or do you just comfort your self by telling your self its all a liberal lie?

        • Dave Mowers

          “White people,” are Neanderthal because the gene that cause white skin and the deficiency are both found in Neanderthal. The only reason it has not been confirmed that Caucasians ARE Neanderthals is due to the fact that every DNA sample to date has been degraded but each sample that holds more DNA continues to give up more genes identical to those in Caucasians and Asians.

          Neanderthals were the first to inhabit Europe. Everywhere Neanderthals existed there were people who used the qualifier in their language of “Ru,” which is the root of the word “Red,” and Neanderthals have been proven to carry the gene that produces red hair and that gene comes from them. You may not want to believe it but half of the first Aryan tribe were redheads and Russia is literally home of the redheaded people and the highest concentration of Neanderthal relics found anywhere on earth is in Russia.

          Furthermore, Neanderthals are credited with big game hunting nomadic lifestyle whereas the word, “Europe,” literally translates into, “Foot-men,” or a synonym for Nomad. As long as anyone could remember it has been called Europe as far back as 500-900 B.C. Neanderthal created the first cave paintings, first use and invention of paint, stone tools, use of marijuana, fire, funerary rites, cremation(something credited to the(Et-RU-scans) burying of the dead, domestication of animals, forts, houses, urns, language, language structure, sea ports, stone making, quarrying, sailing etc.

          No one knows where the Aryans originated; no one. Yet we do have clues in the histories and mythologies from India, Mesopotamia and Greece which all point to the Caucasus which is why Caucasians and named such.

          A single article with a single hypothesis does not change the reality of all the existing work done on the subject.

        • I think your making huge leaps of logic in stating Neanderthal had seaports & domesticated animals & the such. Domesticated dogs genetically date back to about 15 k years ago. Neanderthal was extinct by this time. True all Humans outside of Africa posses Neanderthal dna but this is due to interbreeding with Neanderthal not evolving from him. The fact Eurasians evolved in Europe & Asia during ice age conditions account for similar traits because Neanderthal developed in icy cold dark ice age periods in Eurasia. This is an example of convergent evolution. Also Europe was named after a Greek myth of a Phoenician princes named Europa who Zues kidnapped & raped in the area now called Europe

          There may be alot of work that contains the viewpoint you hold but this doesn’t make it valid. These works you allude to must hold up to dna & language evidence & thus far dna & even linguistic studies point to Africa as modern humankind’s origin

    • EPGAH

      We ARE unique and original, for being able to control our impulses.

      As to manipulating history, YOU JUST CLAIMED that EUROPEANS are the ones bringing disease and destruction to this world, when any idiot can see that whites BUILD, savages DESTROY!
      Take Rhodesia, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Haiti, etc. They were good countries until the savages overthrew and destroyed them.
      And if YOU are superior and WE are the violent destructive ones, why are the savages pouring into European countries? Stay in the countries you’ve already overthrown and done a SUPERIOR job of fucking up!

      So what are you talking about OUR manipulation of history?

  34. Abiezer Coppe

    A black racist! I’ve met your type before! Welcome to the blog and and try to work on your grammar and your spelling! Your last sentence does not contain a main verb and the use of the word default renders it meaningless. However, with a little help from us the Europeans you may improve over time. We’ll always help a black sister.

    • The Black racists come here all the time. I think a lot of them come from Abagond’s blog. Abagond is a Black racist, and almost all of his commenters are Black racists. One is a Filipino racist. A few are weird self-hating Whites. They all hate Whites, the Blacks, the Filipino and the White self-haters.

      This really is modern SWPL liberalism here in California. It’s such shit I can’t even put it into words.

      • LaFleur

        The Abagond/Restructure! people are too fucking funny. If it weren’t for white people, they wouldn’t know what to do with themselves.

        The thing is, it’s obvious from the fancy academic language they use that most of them have spent a lot of time in expensive schools. People like that Restructure! chick obviously come from privileged backgrounds and aren’t dumb, just laughably neurotic. They have a good deal of money and brains they could pool together to help their own people out. They could be building communities and structures of their own but can’t think of anything better to do than bitch about whitey on the internet.

        In contrast, I read some survivalist forums and there are people on extremely low incomes who are building communities and are at least shooting for self-sufficiency. They at least have a chance of making it should the system collapse. You don’t have to be rich, white, male or right wing to drop out of useless bourgeois society.

        • I made some comments on Abagond. Very very very bad idea. I tried hard to be nice, but pretty quickly I was attacked and then put on moderation. I didn’t even say anything all that radical either. I was criticizing an article by a White racist saying that Blacks were not human. You can’t do right by these people. Even when you agree with them, you’re not radical enough.

          The latest comment is by some insane White person who told me that biology is getting of the whole idea of species and subspecies, I guess because those words are RACIST or something. They are chucking them in favor of the cline approach to biological description.

          It’s not true at all. I read biological journals and papers all the time. Many deal with endangered species listings. The species and subspecies question is a huge deal in those listings, it’s what the listing is all about sort of. NO WAY has science chucked species and subspecies in favor of some weird spectrum continuum thingie.

    • Abecedarian Coach

      “A black racist! I’ve met your type before! Welcome to the blog and and try to work on your grammar and your spelling! Your last sentence does not contain a main verb and the use of the word default renders it meaningless. However, with a little help from us the Europeans you may improve over time. We’ll always help a black sister.”

      Ahh… A white racist! We ALL have met YOUR type before!

      Now permit me to help YOU genius. You should really work on YOUR grammar before criticizing anyone else’s.

      #1) You should have put “default” in quotations to better clarify your meaning and intent.

      #2) Also “…with a little help from us the Europeans you may improve over time.”

      should have been
      “…with a little help from us, the Europeans, you may improve over time.”

      Comma after US and after EUROPEANS to clarify that “the Europeans” is who you are referring to as “US”. LOL.

      People like you are just so very comical when they attempt to appear as intelligent in their condescension.

      So again, work on ‘your’ grammar and spelling sir, it needs work. However, with a little help from US, the negroes, YOU may improve over time. WE are here to help YOU Junior. LOL

  35. locoloco

    Now that’s what I’m talking about.Why do whites think that just because they brought reading, racism, rape, hatred, disease and atomic bombs to the world that they are the”lords of this world”. I am NOT racist and I have white friends but that superiority stuff is S***! By the way Abiezer Coppe, try some grammar in amharic or kinyarwanda and we’ll see how well you do!

  36. locoloco

    Now that’s what I’m talking about.Why do whites think that just because they brought reading, racism, rape, hatred, disease and atomic bombs to the world that they are the”lords of this world”? I am NOT racist and I have white friends but that superiority stuff is S***! By the way Abiezer Coppe, try some grammar in amharic or kinyarwanda and we’ll see how well you do!

  37. mallorca

    lol at that fool sayin cromagnon man looked like arabs..pathetic glory hunter the mohamed

  38. RussianHouse

    Relax, soon enough there will be no reason to fight about white paople at all. Today the correlation between white and the rest of the population is 1 to 7. We are getting extinct. By the way, we also carry 4.7% of Neardenthal’ genes that Africans do not have. I wonder what the earth would look like without whites… Songs, RAP and lots of dancing…

    • L.A.M

      First off, you do realize Hip Hop culture is not the only culture besides your culture right? Or did you not know that? Well honestly I feel bad for your poor parents, if you though Anglo African American was the only one beside Western culture. And if I’m not mistaken, every single culture has song and dance. Seriously, it’s not even the only Black culture. Granted, most of the other ones are extinct, because Black people weren’t allowed to have their own culture during slavery, but hey, they still exist. And honestly, you might have forgot about Arabs, East Asians, American Indians (who are about gone, but hey, they’re culture still exist). And just because White people are going to supposedly not exist, because everyone will be mixed, does not mean Western culture won’t exist. If everyone is mixed, they are probably still going to possess their ancestors (European) culture.

    • Dave Mowers

      What do African nations and Latin American countries look like without functioning governments?

      Yeah, that’s the future of the planet.

      • They would look like properly functioning well off peaceful countries without Western powers purposely sabotaging them in order to continue raping them of rescources
        Confessions of an economic hitman:

        • Hope

          Wrong! They will be like 3rd world countries! Stop blaming!

        • Please read a book on world economics. I’d suggest this one
          “Confessions of an Economic Hit man”

          It details how western powers send in agents to destabilize so called 3rd world countries and kept them in a perpetual state of poverty. If one is guilty should I not point the finger? Europe has simply done horrible things to other peoples(and to them selves) It would be comfortable for some to think they or their country is simply that much better but in the case of African and Latino countries the paper trail stops at current western powers-now stop catching feelings about historical truths…no ones actually blaming you personally(unless your some crooked world banker)

        • QofH3art$

          hmmm in a word, FREE. More words: breathing clean air, drinking clean water, levitating, time traveling, evolving, living in harmony with nature and not destroying the planet with toxic waste and frankenfood. Disease free and healthy; No cancer, no autism, no poison medications causing depression, bi-polar, no homelessness, no broken homes no broken families, no IRS, no corporate prisons, no genocide, no lies, no crooked judicial system and backward education system, no puritans, no vatican, no secret libraries no stolen legacies.
          The greedy destroyed paradise from those born into it to create industry to create wage slaves so only the few 1% can own paradise with all of its’ resources and riches and charge everyone else to visit on vacation and buy what was already theirs from the store so they can steal more land & resources to charge everybody born on the planet rent. That’s where all Indigenous People would be had you never existed.

        • Here’s another good book that talks about the American policy of ripping off third world nations in order to benefit US-based multi-national corporations. It is written by a man who at one time was the most highly decorated officer in US Marine Corps history, Maj. Gen Smedley Butler.

    • Dave Mowers

      Well white people created an oil industry in Nigeria and the indigenous peoples decided that it was unfair to have anyone but the people who were born in Nigeria get the money so they mass-murdered oil workers, burned down buildings, blew up oil pipelines, gang-raped women who disagreed with their tactics, killed people who earned royalties from oil claims or had jobs in the industry and effectively shut down all oil production until a new government came in and changed all the laws in favor of only black getting everything because they are black and live in Nigeria so everything is automatically their regardless of who spends money to develop it and now they produce nothing.

      So they went from poor with nothing to poor with nothing.

  39. The Negro is the most inept,incompetent and least accomplished of all human races.Without the scientific and entrepreneurial accomplishments of the White Race ,Humanity in general would still be living in caves.Whites are far superior to Blacks intellectually and to Mongoloids as well.This liberal muck raking,specious and malevolent,is trying to wreak havoc with the truth.O.K. You liberal fu”#s show me one shitskin country in Sub Saharan Africa that is self supporting and able to survive on it`s own without usurious Chinese manipulation or White liberal intervention.The Black “race” is beyond pathetic…in fact it has as much relevance as smeared donkey feces.The Negro is stupid,callous and superfluous and there is nothing you wigger white liberal fu”ks can say or do to alter that basic irrefutable truth.As far as you Black idiots are concerned…Kill yourselves because you are totally USELESS and redundant!



      • History Lover

        The ancient Egyptians were white. The earliest mummies had red and blonde hair. The earliest statues of the pharaohs have white features. There was a time when the Pharaohs became concerned with race mixing and would not allow the black Nubians to enter the city. Bound Semtic and Black prisoners were featured on King Tut’s footstool so that he could rest his feet on his foes. King Tut’s walking stick featured bound Semitic and Black prisoners decorating the curved end. His sandals have bound Black and Semitic prisoners inlaid into the soles: when the king walked in these shoes, he would crush the enemies of Egypt underfoot.

        The Aztecs and Olmecs both claim they were given knowledge by their white bearded god. Caucasian mummies were found in Peru. Peru has many pyramids. Caucasian mummies were also found in China. The are step pyramids near the city of Xian in Qui Chan province. These pyramids are without precedent in China but which were common to White civilizations. I don’t believe it would be any great stretch of the imagination to say that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was also built by caucasians.

        Here is a picture of King Tut’s sandals.

        You can also search and find pictures of his footstool and walking stick.

        • Nic

          let me tell u something….i’m a Tutsi and we dwelt in Egypt thousands of years before Assyrians took over..we moved south wards an Cush empire started we took over Egypt for some time.. but not for long and migrated southwards..ancient times…..when u didn’t have color….. u were considered an albino..not accepted by society and was throw into the European plate to go and wander in the north where it’s cold… and about development…people have always progressed more when they are together for thousands of years
          we have more defined features and not exagurated and we have more color..because we’ve lived in the tropics for a longer time…
          in other words ..every species living near the tropics is darker than the one living near the it plants..the have more chlorophyll and people can be evidenced by south Asian and south Americans..the animals …everything cause the sun hits the tropics at 90degrees throughout the year
          I laugh at how uninformed, uneducated and untraveled
          Just yesterday not even 400 years when some African Kings benefited from the business of selling there people..not Tutsi Kings participated in this kind of trade because they knew the power of human energy to a society..they never served they selfish interest like so African kings…u go to Africa…u’ll find dark Chinese ,Arabs,Caucasian,everything…that is where u come from my dear friend..fro now on be informed

        • Dave Mowers

          The reason the Aztecs were destroyed was because they believed in a prophecy left to them by their white god when he was forced out of the country claiming that in a certain number of years he would come back and on the same year Cortes landed, that was the year!

          The superstitious natives could not rally a unified front because the coincidence was so great and Cortes was Caucasian, was white, just like their god Quetzalcoatl.

        • Dave Mowers


    • lisa

      Wish I said it!

    • kwad

      i havent seen african cavemen. egypt began 31000 bc.caucasians haplogroup R began in asia at 34,000bc came to africa 27,000 bc. negroids are haplogroup E began in 55,000 bc in asia came to africa around 50,000bc or 45,000bc no caucasians where in africa at early dynastic period .blacks are afro-asiatic. no blonds existed no caucasians yet existed in europe in early dynastic period so no nordics or blonds. later ancient egyptians did get some caucasian blood but people from cameroon have the most caucasian dna in africa and are still black so white egypt is false. moors had Haplogroup E dna invaded spain mixed raced or if you follow one drop rule black leader reinterduced schools architecture hygiene science and maths bonus got rid of black death invented table manners and knife and fork. nearly most africans have caucasian in a small amount just as whites have a small amount of black. hence blacks and whites share similarity in civilazation wise. blacks and whites are therefore more genetically related than any other race. why africa is poor is stupid a question the answer is due to colonization by us whites africans forgot the traditions the colonials left civil wars began effects bad schooling bad way of life. for example congo had pre-colonial kongo kingdom its capital m’banza kongo or the city of loango look at its pictures of the painting of them by europeans it looked like europe in the middle ages and it was drawn in 1400’s in the middle ages. the songhai empire nigerian empire. the mali empire the richest in the world at its time. meroe in sudan and ancient eygpt noone yet can replicate the pyramids. now look at africa after its colonization its backwards. blacks have a reason to be angry they are like why wont europe leave us alone? answer is that africa would be the richest because of its resources gold, ivory mercury, phosphat, diamonds, precious rocks, and fruits. if africa equaled europe and america wouldnt the markets be in favour of the africans? europe need africa to be poor. in the 18th century lots of injustices falses theories bible twisting truths uneducated evolution theories Were all attacked on blacks.i and many future generations of whites find this suspicious. why they did everything so blacks could be slaves the needed all the reason. but it can all be proven wrong today. wake up people we are the human race i didnt state what whites contributed to humanity because its more acknowledged than what blacks did. we are the human race we accomplished what no other being did together. we look different because we adapted to our surroundings physically. why do people ignore this? I was a racist before i researched the truth about african in wikipedia and stopped listening to people that just hated black people for no reason.Another reason i stopped hating blacks was when i went to europe when i realized it was very rare to see black children (from africa) not doing a higher degree or getting higher grades than whites. then i read in the wikipedia about africans in usa and it said the same thing. then in british television boasting about two british twins just to find out they are black i went to ireland and irish thieves aim for blacks because they believe they have more money i realized that blacks in europe are different from american ones. i came to conclude why black africans and black europeans are smarter than black americans because euro and afro n’ blacks dont face systematic racial problems as blacks in usa.but then i wanted to know why black europeans in europe and black africans in usa are smarter than whites and asian and alot smarter than black americans. why? they came from poor backgrounds and their parents wanted them to be the best in class similar to what asian parents do. so people are smart because the ywant to get the best of things not because of race. blacks and whites are more related so theres no point in racism. i have black friends in college and their good friends. racism it has to end who agrees?

    • L.A.M

      Um… You do know that Africans build homes a lot right? They didn’t have homes like the Europeans, because they didn’t need shelter as much to protect themselves from the sun. You do realize that no Homo Sapiens were living in caves right? And that only Neanderthals (which Black people have little to no relation to) live in caves. Once again, to protect themselves from radiation. You do realize that Asiatic people, are like Anglo America’s main trading partner right? You do realize that we are all humans beings, and no one is genetically smarter than people because of skin color right? You do realize the reason why Sub-Saharan Africa is so down in the dumps, is a direct product of Slavery and Racism right? You do realize that the Middle East is also extremely down in the dumps right? And those people are supposedly White right? At least the ones you see now.

      Nah, of course you didn’t know any of that stuff. You’re completely dumb and insane. As are all of you White Supremacists.

    • mark

      Africa is a harsh place to live, much harder than Europe. Hard to be inventive when You are hunted my animals.

    • QofH3art$

      Eric, what are you, like 10? Your limited hillbilly education is showing, Jethro. Like, how many meds are you on? The only thing you are superior to is the monkey that you evolved from (and they may even surpass your kind in intelligence). Dude, everything you are, you stole from someone else now you blame the victim for your crimes against humanity. There must be some sort of script all of you read in your secret meetings (if you can even read), together and rehearse and about redundancy, do you even know what the word means? lol

    • We turn the clock back to 300 ad & the same could be said about your north western European ancestors -no Arab or Chinese tech no rise to power. How oxymoronic you make a callous,stupid & superfluous comment while calling an entire race callous,stupid & superfluous. your understanding of African accomplishments are thoroughly bent. I won’t waste time regurgitating facts that would render your point of view prejudicial & inaccurate being im sure the wall of confirmation bias id smack into would knock me unconscious

    • Zanga

      You are so irrelevant, that is why whites had to go around the world with weapons of mass destruction to steal other people stuff, you had nothing of your own, but barrened Europe, now you wnat to brag, and tell Africans we never had nothing, what did you have before stealing us, and our land, keeping us down, and too stupid to see it, because you wish to live and cover who the real no good asses are. Just fuck off lying in denial pig.

  40. chelley01

    hey!! The only thing i don’t quite understand is how the hair changed over time from the original afro hair to the thin straight hair! Obviously african hair is much different than any other race so how or why has that evolved into more straight thin hair?

    • I do not know. No one knows what the hair of the original OOA folks looked like. That kinky or woolly hair is really only useful where it is extremely hot. Where it’s not very, very hot, it’s more or less useless. That hair just keeps you cool in hot weather. That is all it is good for.

    • Barney Stinson

      The ‘out of Africa’ fact states that the first humans came from east africa which as you know have caucasian facial features and most of east africans do have that thin hair (I’m originally from east africa and my hair is almost exactly like earopean hair, just a little bit thicker but still straight). So I suppose over time the hair probably thinned out due to the sun not being as harmful as it would be in africa.

  41. mulattoflavortime

    Looked like whites? The guy who wrote this must be stupid because they’re dark as hell. not only that but they all still got booga booga lips and tightly curled hair and etc. Looking at their skull they don’t look white at all.
    My only surprise is the fact that retards can post things on the internet.
    I know what White skulls/faces and Black skulls/faces look like because I’m mixed white/black and I grew up around both sides of my family for my entire life. This guy is a quack.

  42. I’m glad GOD, has no color, and man can’t get to HIM only by being born again in the spirit!!! God will be judging you by your deeds here on earth!! No matter what or who you are, God will have the final say! Not any man, woman, boy or girl! Your color won’t be a factor, the life you live, the service you give and if you choose Christ as you Lord and Savior. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord!! Now chew on that awhile and prepare to meet your maker! Heaven or Hell???

  43. huaxia

    well…. i thought that E is a brother clade of D…. they both descend from YAP…. the andamanese… Also are you sure that this is a picture of a man who carries marker R1-M173??? i pretty much doubt it. because as far as i know all modern humans (especially the out-of-africa ones) have some roots shared with the neanderterals… simply the picture you posted here do not correspond to this scientific fact.
    in fact, human are of mixed origin. (hybrids).

  44. Objectivity

    The furthest apart are Blacks and Aborigines. If anyone is evolutionarily on their way to becoming a separate species or subspecies, it is the Aborigines and the Papuans of New Guinea. The distance between them and Africans is greater than the distance between any two human groups.

    The CHRONOLOGICAL genetic distance between sub-saharoids and australoids is great but the FUNCTIONAL genetic distance is arguabley relatively small. Both are the only 2 groups to preserve the ancestral black phenotype of all humans, so perhaps they should both be considered separate branches of a single Negroid race.

    • kwad

      remember the gene for black people is i find hilarios haplogroup E is asian check on the wikipedia haplogroup E.

    • coward

      GEnetic distance is determined by the frequencies of functional alleles in two populations., not repeating sequence, that would be genetic DIFFERENCE. Aborigines dont have the same phenotype as blacks, their skulls, brains, and everything is different. And they arent the most genetically distant from us, Negritos are. Aborigines are 2nd or 3rd.

  45. jason

    Actually “out of Africa” is less believe able these days. Did you know king Tut was proven to be “white”? You’re an idiotic nigger lover. Whites and blacks are SO different its ridiculous. Only an idiot who lies to himself denies that.

    • All right, you’re banned, you racist asshole.

    • King Tut was NOT WHITE! The Caucasian race came from the original black man.

      • coward

        King tut was white, he has the R1b Atlantic Model Haplotype of western europeans.

        • Thats not true. The company that published the “white” Tut dna results didn’t even have a sample from Tut. They used a clip from a Discovery Channel documentary & filled in the missing info, stated they discovered Tut had dna incommon with 50 to 70% of north west Europeans (not even Mediterranean Europeans but NW Euros…riiiiiight smdh) then proceeded to bilk 1000’s of rubes out of even more 1000’s of $ because they hoped to find genetic links between them & Tut. That research has long been debunked. A company that actually used Tuts dna found that he was primarily African with some Eurasian dna. Just google Tut African dna or Tut familytree dna results

        • Oh the company with the true results is called DNATribes not Family Tree & the company with the debunked “white” Tut results is iGenea

    • L.A.M

      What is you actual point? So what if King Tut appears White to you? Even though he has a peanut head, which I only see on Black people, and he looks exactly like my aunt (who is Black like me). Seriously, she could claim to be a descendant of him or something. But even if you do consider him White, why does that make the Out of Africa theory any less credible? Tell me why please, because I fail to see the correlation, to someone born less than 2000 years B.C to an event that happened tens of thousands of year ago. Seriously, where’s the correlation?

  46. cm

    First of all, how do they get a skin color from a skull? Because even if you gave genetic similarities to someone it doesn’t mean you’d have the same skin color. Second, there was an article in the news recently that they’ve discovered that humanity actually originated in Asia. Which actually makes more sense since they’re always black skin revolved to suit environment.

  47. cm

    There was an article in the news recently that stated that humanity actually came from Asia, which would actually make more since if you consider that they’re always saying that black skin evolved as an adaptation.

  48. coward

    My grandpa was literally a nigger.

  49. coward

    The greatest part off the One Drop Rule is that I can say nigger. Nigger nigger nigger. I say that shit everyday like fucking crazy at my school. I dont say nigga i say nigger. All you pure blood whites must be frustrated to not be able to go on stage and scream NIGGER! like in the good ol days.

  50. coward

    Oh god this website is really bad for my GPA. I stay up till 2 or 3 reading old posts. This is WAY more addicting than coke or pot, or fried chicken and purple drank.

  51. satanists run the vatican

    “The Irish Book of Fenagh records the Basques settling in Ireland. The book also documents the descendants of Noah settling in the Basque region” Watch the video “eleanor of aquitaine was basque/catalan(origin of royalty)NOT french” The franks of old were racially basque/catalan.We are the merovingians/milesians but imposters who rule the world conceal this. The Book of Fenagh was completed at the monastery in 1516, and a copy is now kept at the Royal Irish Academy. Pass it on,please

  52. brinxster

    Multi-Regional Theory has replaced the “out of Africa theory” to a large degree. Meaning humans came from multiple evolving apes around the world. We have DNA evidence that Caucasians & Asians both share European Neanderthal DNA, unlike black Africans who do not have this DNA. It’s unknown right now if the Homoerectus of Asia mixed at all with modern humans, but it’s certainly a possibility. The African homosapien was only one source of evolved apes. Human beings today likely are comprised of all 3 humanoid groups.

    As for white supremacists, everything in the universe is related… why wouldn’t they be related to black people when they are related to the dirt they walk on and the stars in the sky?

    There is nothing in existence that you are not related to. Everything came from the Big Bang… if there was only one that is, there could be many out there in infinite space.

    • Matt

      Brinxster, you’re simply wrong. The Out of Africa theory is the only game in town now. Polygenism might come back at about the same time cosmologists take another look at geocentrism. The best they’ve got is Mungo Man 3, and even if valid, it merely proves that polygenism is possible in a limited sense, not widespread or probable.

      • Matt

        Yes, but all anatomically modern humans originated in Africa at about the same time. This includes Australoids. The Neanderthals, Denisovans, etc. originate from an earlier OOA scenario… But the idea of all anatomically modern humans originating from separate instances of descent from homo erectus, etc. is ridiculous. The populations that would emerge from these distinct instances would indeed be separate species or at least subspecies, and would probably not be able to have fertile offspring together.

        It boggles my mind that trained scientists of the last century or so could ever entertain this absurd scenario. They must have had an agenda like Carleton Coon or the Azn nationalists who insist on the Extra Special Snowflakeness of the Chinese people.

      • Steve

        @Cablasian its not necessarily that they want to prove it. They might just have scientific integrity and a commitment to the truth and think that is the truth. If you want to be a bit more cynical, their main concern might be to prove blacks as less intelligent and the genetic hierarchy where NE Asians are at the top supports that. Plus there is a smaller gap between Asians and whites and those white scientists are secure enough in light of western achievements to not mind the Asians being a bit more intelligent on average. People are quite comfortable to think of Asians as bright, its a common stereotype, plus we respect that and we can respect their countries and cultures.

        Besides, its not like all Asians are brighter than all whites. There’s a huge overlap. The average Asian is like a quite bright white person. Nothing too threatening about that, especially for high iq white person.

  53. Tophonk

    based on your picture Are they have doubble eyelid like asian too? lol

  54. Manny

    But the whites are pretty barbaric still.. They have not evolved to become vegetarians for like many Hindu Indians for e.g.

    • Manny

      You have to be pretty civilized to be a vegetarian. That is civilizational progress.

      I have lived in Western Africa and I have seen Gorilla Paws being sold in the grocery stores.

      Then you have the Asians who eat Dogs and Cats

      The you have the primitive Europeans of Denmark who beat and club seals and wales and eat them

      Pretty grotesque

      On the other hand you have Brahmins of India who are so civilizationally advanced that they were vegetarians for like 3000 years.. Amazing.

    • Manny

      Would white Europeans look down at Africans eating Gorilla paws? Would they look at them as inferior and or not evolved? What about Asians who eat dogs and cats and other stuff that crawls on the floor?

      So would not the vegatrian Brahmins look down at the whites as worse than untouchables at the meat eaters of the world.

      Actually they do.. Upper caste Brahmins of India actually put the whites in the same category as the outcastes for precisely the same reason.

      White are capable of extreme cruelty which actually speaks of their inferiority of their race. White travelling and ethnically cleansing locals and taking over their land is as superor as a thief who thinks he is very clever.

    • Manny

      The fact that white christian Germans can drink cocktail champagne listening to Wagner when there were 6 million dead bodies in their basement speaks well about the barbaric nature of the white Caucasian race. Mentally and emotionally how they are stunted.

      Most Africans and other aboriginals are much more sophisticated than the Caucasians in my book.

      • Manny

        This is one of the reason they are drawn to Yoga and Meditation etc….they are now becoming aware how inferior their christian influenced culture is and trying to evolve in their thoughts and spirituality and move away from their barbaric ways.

      • Beatrix

        And yet even today 3,000 Indian children die daily due to nutrition related illnesses.
        300,000 Indian newborns still die annually on the day of their birth.
        An Indian mother still dies in pregnancy or childbirth every 10 minutes daily.
        All while Manny sits on his fat ass in a Texas tract house shoving $2 Kroger chickens & cheap bourbon in his face.
        Who is barbaric, mentally & emotionally stunted Mr Hindooo?
        How Hindus can deal with their own depravity is beyond me.
        Geez seems like Hindus can’t even stand themselves.

        • Manny

          Ah..BeatleJuice is Tamasha! Ha Ha!

        • Manny

          Yes..thanks to the Anti Hindu “Intellectuals” of India from West Bengal and JNU and Kerala and Delhi Univ and the congressie Nehru dynasty..they have managed to kill so many Indian children.

        • issac

          Every thing Manny says is automatically B.S. Now go shoot yourself in the fucking head you worthless currybreath piece of shit. You Indian males are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of male racial attractiveness…along with East Asians. Both you guys and East Asians have a 4 inch penis average…look it up faggot. You guys are so pathetic you are actually down there with Asians. Haha…..fucking turban-headed fucks.

        • Manny

          Most Asian women have small it fits snugly the small penis… however if a woman has a Barn door size vagina, then you need a big penis.

          Obviously someone hasn’t read the Kamastura..Its all explained in there.. In fact they even have an interesting topic on how a small penis can pleasure a woman with a barn door size vagina.

        • Manny


          Talking about small Penis. Thought this might interest you.

          A White Woman Explains Why She Prefers Black Men

        • issac

          Yeah MannY, that woman is an exception. There are even attractive white women with fetishes for Asian men! But those women are the exception, not the norm. Most white women want a white man, and black and Asian features such as flat noses and wide broad faces are unattractive to them. And most Asian women want white men as well, as do black women, although they will never admit it. A white women’s first choice is a white man, and then a black man, and then an Indian or East Asian man.

        • issac

          Asian women have sideways vaginas, not small vaginas. Even so, most Asian women desperately crave a white man.

        • Manny


          For your edification.


        • issac

          Rare. Exception does not disprove the rule. Fact; Indians are the 2nd most disliked male race by women. East Asians are #1 most hated male race. Look it up man, there have been numerous studies done on this, and East Asians and Indians have small penises and extremely low amounts of testosterone. They are short, wimpy, and not all that attractive. Some women have a fetish for them, but some women have a fetish for dogs and horses as well.

        • issac

          Manny, from your writings, it seems you have not inherited the Indian IQ average of 82. Are you one of the Brahmins, Kshatiyra, or Vaish? You seem to be fairly educated for an Indian, seems you belong to the 4 Aryan castes.

    • WA

      I sure don’t feel like eating anything after seeing all the filth in big or little India. Some nasty Hindus that I know of are only vegetarian on a certain day. Furthermore, they are not vegan. For your information, in this day and age, it is the Whites that are promoting vegan.
      Hindus like many blacks/asians/non-whites are still very uncivilised, very primitive and very unreliable.

  55. Dora Diaspora

    Here is another theory that will just blow all the white peoples mind away. When you read the Bible in the very beginning, you read that God created first the world, and last of all He created Adam and Eve. We all know that God is perfect and all that He does is good. As Adam and Eve were created in God’s own image, just imagine the huge shock they will receive on judgement day when face with an African God? That is why I always say, you better be nice to people throughout your life and see every man and woman as your brother and sister. As you mistreat each other, you mistreat God. And finally the judgement day will come. Where do you want to be standing?

    • Manny

      The Babel is mythology dude.. There was no Jesus and no he did not come back.. thats for children. As thinking adults we all know this is bullshit.

      Christians have been lying and killing for Jesus for over 2000 years

      Anyway from Thomas Paine..the father of the American Revolution:


      “No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.

      It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.”

      • issac

        Dude can you please go troll somewhere else? No one wants you here, not one friggin person. You are the outcast, the one the owner of this blog keeps around for shits and giggles and nothing else. Why can’t you just kill yourself already….why can’t all 1 billion of you off yourself already boy? I blame the British for not ethnically cleansing you while they were in India.

      • Alan

        Paine is presuming that faith is an act essentially proportionate to natural evidence. But it is not: it is a mode of assenting to a reality that is disproportionate to the natural evidence, possible only because of a divine act. If God essentially transcends finite beings, then affirming any truth regarding the inner life of God will be possible only insofar as the created intellect is elevated by grace to affirm it, enabling the intellect to affirm a truth that it cannot reduce to natural first principles. Don’t know quite why this is a question in a conversation about ethnicity, but there it is anyway.

  56. Josh

    Tribes of dark people who moved into Europe would die
    of a condition known as Rickets. They simply cannot survive
    because the women cannot give birth with the condition.

    White nationalists knew this 10,000 years ago.

    Now if only the UN would recognize white natural Europeans as the indigenous people of Europe maybe we could get some parity.

  57. I knew it!
    We are all actually Angus. The discoloration on my coat is due to my ancestors getting high up there on the Alpine Glaciers.

  58. lord

    I am not sure why people are so hung up on race… Race is nothing…its all about culture.

    I can understand many Indians…Hindu in particular who are more ethnocentric not by race but by culture.

    Its understandable… how one behaves under certain circumstances always trumps race.

    Someone posted here.. Now I can’t recall who….about the German christians drinking cocktail while listening to Wagner when they had so many dead bodies under their basement is pretty low culture. The same as someone eating Gorilla Paws (Another statement made here).

    So the sense of superiority felt by upper class/caste Indians has some logic…. not that I totally agree. But its an interesting view.

  59. I must be honest with you my caucasoid brothers. I hate you with every atom of my body. If I could annihilate every caucasoid and mongoloid on earth in one night, I would do so without loss of sleep. I have come to the realization that there is no God and that there is no hope. The Pinks, Browns and The Yellows are superior……..and I hate you for it. You committed the world’s greatest atrocities and then were blessed with not having to pay. If there is some kind of Omnipotent being out there in the universe, it is evil and only loves you.

  60. Chris

    Caucasians didn’t directly come from Africa. The humanoids who left Africa around 100,000 years ago settled in Asia for about 70,000 years, they were only a small group, about 1,000… then grew and only 30,000 years ago people who left this group moved into Europe to become Caucasians and the people who stayed became modern day Asians.

    This is why there are over 4 billion Asians today as they’ve existed there for a very long time and only a little over 1 billion Caucasians. We’re the youngest race on Earth.

    If we came directly from Africans however, that means our ancestors would have had the same amount of time populate as Asians… so we likewise would be around 4 billion Caucasians today. But we’ve only had 30,000 years because we came from Asians… hence why Koreans, many Chinese and Japanese often look a little like Caucasians.

  61. roger Smith

    This all is pure bull by Lindsay. This is not really a serious research.
    Black people have FLAT noses and very curly hair, sticken out buttocks and froggy eyes. Very peculiar features not found in any other races.
    Even after mixing with other races through generations, their offspring still show those features. One example we can find is on the african americans who have mixed through generations with whites. The result is an offspring that keeps all the physical features of the black race, but with a sligthly fairer, freckled White skin.
    The White race have mostly aquiline noses, blonde hair and blue eyes. they didn’t take those features by being albinos.
    What a ridiculous assertion by taking the albino pigmentation as a basic research on the evolution of the White race.
    Lindsay, go and take a shower and clean your brain before you ever make some fallacious claims !

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  63. Im still digesting most of your article but I must say I am some what suprised to discover the caucasoid phenotype is so young not to mention the NE Asian Han Chinese phenotype.

  64. I have a blog addressing the Austroloid/Austronesian creators of the Shang dynasty who would be the early NE Asian type you allude to.
    Your research on the early inhabitants of NE Asia will help me to slightly retool & add to it.
    I am correct in assuming “haplotype” does not necessarily designate “phenotype”? Or is the consesus still out on this? You also seem to point out remains previously said to be Caucasoid are actually an Africoid type in flux or as you say proto Caucasian. It seems from your research the remains long regared as proto Mongoloid may be Africoids or Austroloids also. Is there no sure way of determining phenotype via dna?

    • Shang Dynasty types may have been Negritos.

      Proto-Mongoloids were Ainuids, Melanesians and Negritos, all Australoids.

      35,000 YBP, the very first Caucasoids do not look like much of anything else, but they probably looked more like African Bushmen or Khoisanids than anything else.

      Proto-Caucasoids in South India (Dravidians) or North Africa (Mozabites) look awful dark, and the Mozabites look very odd – a Caucasoid-African mix is what they resemble.

      DNA is no clue to phenotype. For phenotype, you need skulls.

  65. Obviously a extreme ploitical cllege academian politically correct liberal…with all his ‘smart ass’ comments…, we caucasians aren’t surprised………we know we evolved from apes, and then early primitive black africans…..all that does is reenforces what all ‘non-politically correct- non-bias scholars know, is that whites are evaolutionary more advanced than blacks….you basically support that argument………logic would indicate thos humans less academic & more physically endowed, would be closer in evolution to lower mammals. By the way, having common DNA means little, as we share about 99% with Chimpanzees..all that means is an amixture…but in true bias political correct college professors (remember those he can achieve do…the others teach)…they will twist the truth to achieve their bias outlooks, and try so hard ‘to rub it in the whites face’ childish & non-scientific

    • All right Mr. White racist, I am banning you.


    • and your comment isn’t childish and non scientific. Do you understand genetics? Do you understand nature would not make something that is inferior genetically dominant? Do you understand actual Caucasian and human history? the fact this fact disturbs you so much illustrates how ingrained racism is in our culture and society. This article simply states a simple fact. No one’s rubbing anything in anyone’s face. Its simple science and by the way chimps and humans share 98% dna and that whole 2 % points are huge. All Humans are 99.9% the same and 94% of that variation is between people from the same so called “race” and 6% is between the so called races ie: an West African has more in common genetically with a Western European than with a New Guinean although the African and New Guinean may look similar on the surface.

      You only feel something has been rubbed in your face because you fancy yourself inherently superior than other darker skinned peoples. Your superiority stops at economic and educational privileged access. We turn the clock back 2000 years and all your advanced civilizations are in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. And parts of Europe close to Africa and the middle east ie: Greece, Macedonia and Rome. This points to a sharing and exchange of ideas. If Europeans were inherently intellectually superior you’d be digging up 3k yr old pyramids in Berlin. Europe wouldn’t have had to wait for Chinese gun powder & compasses, Islamic alchemy, boat technology and mapping skills and East Indian Mathematics to rise to the power they are today. The dawn of civilization would be in north western Europe not in East Africa and South Asia

      • Thank you very much hucipher my good friend.

        • You are most definitely welcome Robert. One of the keys to ending racism is educating each other about the truth of each others history & cultures. This & the fact we all have the same great grand parents 500 generations or more ago hopefully will become common accepted knowledge. Keep up the great research.

      • Yet another libtard.

        Right, Europeans did not invent anything. They all got by negroids and mongoloids.

        Who invented computers, cars, aeroplanes?

        Race is more than skin colour.

        “West African has more in common genetically with a Western European

        Proof or GTFO. By West African, do you mean negroid (black) or Arabid (caucasoid)?

        “so called “race””

        Dog breeds are social construct. German Shepherd and Chihuahua are same.

        • Here we go with another smart idiot infering some who actually understands genetics, evolution & the human history is some how less intelligent because the truths are “uncomfortable” for them. You prove your idiocy by infering some how or some where I stated north western Europeans invented nothing-far from the truth their bloody brilliant inventors & innovaters but invented none of the rudiments of todays technology such as – that wheel racist like to brag about -not a European invention.
          Gun powder- no
          Advanced mathematics
          -no even the Greeks studied higher maths in Kemet then it diffussed through out Greco-Roman civilization while they apparently made innovations or used concepts like the arch more widely.
          North Western Europe didn’t get a higher mathematics until the Moorish conquest & their contact with Islam during the crusades
          Advance sails -no another islamic contribution
          The compass-no a Chinese contribution
          This is simply the truth not a derisive attack.

          Then you prove your a “conserver-tard” by asking if I mean negroes or Arabs when I say “West” African. ..ctfu ok let me breathe-im not even answering this one

          Then you compare human engineered dog breeds with homo sapiens sapiens
          Again proof you know little to nil about human evolution or genetics
          You blurt “Dog breeds are social contructs” like this tip of your rapier wit even challenges the belief that race is a social construction ? you gtfoh
          Im not arguing it is or is not anyway but the dog “breed” comparison is far from accurate-perhaps if humans had been genetically force breed by a guided hand for centuries this might be true but the fact the human brain is far more complex,containing an extra region for higher cognitive function which no mamal has-not our closest evolutionary cousins the Chimps or our best “Canidae” friends the dogs.

          Here is an interesting analysis of the “dog breed/human race comparison”

          It in part states the genetic variation of dogs is:
          ”  65.1% of genetic variance was within dog breeds, 31.1% between breeds, and 3.8% between breed groups (they defined 10 different groups:  Spaniels, Retrievers, etc.)”

          For humans:
          ” humans shows that approximately 85% of variance is between individuals, 5% is between populations in the same racial group, and 10% is interracial (btw, this number is also close to the updated Fst measurement of Xing et al.).  The average FST distance between human races is approximately 0.15.”

          So we see in humans higher amounts of variation between individuals in the same group & far less between the so called races of man thus you have a Nigerian potentialy genetically closer to an Englishmen than a Khoisan tribesmen in South Africa

          The dog breed comparison is ill fitted for human population variation

          Before you attempt to insult some ones intelligence do some actual study of actual facts

          You want more proof that a West African has more in common with a Northwest European than he/she does than say an Aboriginal or other dark skinned people you like to think your more evolutionary advanced than then simply google it & “study” truth not what comforts your racistly miseducated cultural view.

          I usually don’t rake “conserver-tards” over coals like this but im just not in the mood to have those of clearly lesser understanding than me attack my intellect today

      • Fiona

        “If Europeans were inherently intellectually superior you’d be digging up 3k yr old pyramids in Berlin”
        Well, there is Newgrange in Ireland plus the dolmens and then of course the British Isles have numerous stone circles. I’m not getting into any childish *superiority* arguments here…just thought I’d contribute this information.

        • True their are some old artifacts but im actually talking about complex stone structures not mound Pyrimids that can be found in China, North America & elsewhere. In fact the oldest astronomically orientated monolithic structure is found in Napata-an area south of Nubia. Its far older than any Egyptian Pyrimid but i dont include it because just as the structures you mention they are not true Pyrimids. The stone astronomically aligned stone circles found in south Africa (so called adams calanders) are estimated to be at least 25k yrs old but again not pyramids. Im not actually pointing out an “im superior to you” argument by alluding to these archeological facts. I am defending the intellectuallb prowess of my ethnic group & challenging the assumption Europeans are innately intellectually superior by pointing these things out. I for one fully understand that if you place baby Einstein in a war torn urban gang turf he wont become a brilliant physicist but more than likely a brilliant Myers Lansky type gangster. This is simply the gist of my argument. Heridity plays a part in all things but i feel environment is the decisive molder of intelligence, culture & cognition. This is why im smarter than Justin Beiber but he dances & sings circles around me. According to genetic heratibility proponents this is an oxymoron. According to those of us with common sence this is a logical development of an orginism raised in a specific environment

    • louis

      you dont read much do you.lmao

  66. al

    Robert, much of what you say and how you say it is flat wrong.

    1. The Africans in your photos above do not have Caucasian features. Rather, Caucasians have the features of those particular type of Africans.

    2. You say that the first Caucasians looked like Arabs. WRONG. What we think of as Arab today are really a “mulattoe” people. Originally Black and later whites/Turks-Asiatic intermixing. True Arabs – like the type seen in Yemen for example or in South Saudi or “Marsh Arabs” in Iraq are BLACK. – and often indistinguishable from many African populations.

    3. You believe that Whites “became” white from blacks. Wrong. White in animals is always a form of albinism (of which there are 4 different forms). Albino gorilla has pink skin and light eyes, albinos chimp has pink skin and light eyes, albino mice (lab mice) have pin skin and red eyes, etc……the original animals being dark/black. Thus, Whites are a variant of albino Black. You can’t provide proof of any intermediate stage of skin color, hair color, etc which would prove your theory. (the Ice Age vitamin D theory has been debunked and doesn’t make any logical sense).

    To see what whites are think: Dravidian “Black” Indian afflicted with albinism. Apparently a group of such people formed their own group, broke off and started intermarrying among themselves only. This took place somewhere in Northern India/ Middle Asia. This is where whites are from.

    see – – for a decent breakdown.

  67. la

    “No you are wrong. 13,000 YBP, Europeans looked like Arabs genetically and phenotypically. True Arabs of course are not Black people. European Whites did not come from albinism. That theory is just wrong.”

    Proofs ????

    The original inhabitants of the Arabian Penninsula were Black because they came directly from East Africa both from the North through the Levant/Gaza and the South – Across the Red Sea where narrow – (Somalia,Ethiopia, etc).

    Thus, the first Arabians were Black. They have never disappeared and are still there. See Yemen. The brown/tawny/yellow Arabs of which were are familiar by the media – are a mixture of the original inhabitants and later Caucasian tribes/Turks. But the Black ones have always been there (and coincidentally never/rarely shown in the media. See Libya for example. Quadaffi and his Sons are “mixed” Arabs. A base Black African Ancestry mixed with “white/whiter” infusions.

    Recent testing shows that Indians are Caucasian. (you discuss this). This is a Eurocentric view of things. The better way to phrase it is that Caucasians are a type of Indian. This is more accurate since Whites are the youngest of the races/groups. The first Indians are the extremely black Dravidians. Thus if Caucasians come from Indians – the only difference is that of pigmentation and melanin. In fact, Albino Dravidians and Pakistanis are indistinguishable from “White” people.

    In the animal kingdom, Nature appears to prefer dark (UV protection and better to hide and hunt) and lack of color is ALWAYS a form of Albinism or dergrees of Albinism.There are at least 4 forms of it – not only the customary one we see in media.

    (think: white lions, white mice, white alligators, white snakes, white chimps, gorillas – forms of albinism.)

    (ps: please don’t ban- I am not hostile – just overly eager some times
    I have proofs for my viewpoint, but you don’t provide proof for yours)

    • Everyone was Black at first. Big deal. The Arabs stopped being Black a long time ago. Ancient Caucasoids arose in the Middle East region (Red Sea) 42,000 years ago. In the last 15,000 years at least, Arabia was all Caucasoid. The Blacks in Yemen and the Gulf were imported only recently, mostly as slaves. The Yemen Blacks came across recently in boats.

      Indians are Caucasoid on skulls and on some genetic tests.

      There is no evidence whatsoever that Caucasoids arose due to albinism.

      • Dave Mowers

        There is also no proof whatsoever that Homo Sapiens exterminated Neanderthals, that Homo Sapiens were smarter, larger, more numerous or propitious in propagation or that Caucasians are not Neanderthals which throws the entire time line of Homo Sapiens into disarray in a field they are now calling the Leaky Hypothesis.

        You also cannot account for Denisovan one version of which has been sequenced and is now touted as the progenitor of both Homo Sapiens and Neanderthal. If evolution is real then evolution itself accounts for any changes found over time in skull forms and bone density.

      • QofH3art$

        I can see it clearly…Albanism as one of the possibilities of the origins of a people who attempt to invade everything and everywhere, and eliminate everyone but themselves from the face of the planet, whose culture is a mixture (hijacked) of everyone else’s culture, and nowhere on earth were they the first people to set foot on any land. All lands were already occupied by dark people by the time they arrive..which is why there are so many ‘ologies’ to try and explain their origin. Climate is surely a reason for pale skin which blisters in the sun, can’t stand heat and a nose thinned out to attempt to warm air to make it breathable (?sp). Pale eyes (which are a mutation) have difficulty in the sun and with bright colors..similar to snow blindness..right?
        Black people are the indigenous population everywhere on Earth..its the colonizers that try to say a Samoan is not African and an Olmec is not a Mayan’s parent, or in Papua New Guinea those people aren’t the same as slaves brought to the Americas. That is the illusion of ‘race’. Even though the history books tell you that the ‘discoverer’ of a foreign land was the 1st one there…9 times out of 10, there were already people there that didn’t come over on slave ships, but they looked the same as the slave with small variations due to climate and miscegenation. Whole populations of people were erased to create the illusion of ‘discovery’ and mask the horrors and atrocities of thieves, murderers and rapists.
        Someone asked about hair:
        Hair went from just covering the head in tight coils to long and straight to cover the body in damp forest-y and cold icy climates.
        Our Kinky hair is no longer utilitarian it is the most creative crown which has influenced hair fashion all over the world. Pre-colonial Africans always adorned their hair to the fascination of visitors from foreign lands who still to this day attempt to copy.
        Telling the truth can be so liberating for everyone, why is it such a difficult task?

        • EPGAH

          Why do savages constantly rewrite their history to make themselves look less loserly, and to make the whites look like savages, or thieves or rapists or whatever?
          You want to tell me that savages who never even invented the WHEEL could somehow develop seaworthy vessles and spread across the whole world?

          Or that we’re “inferior” because we are only 9% of the world’s population?
          As the minority of the world’s population, shouldn’t we be the beneficiaries of Welfare, Affirmative Action, etc.? Instead it seems to always be the “evil” whites who are tapped for resources, energy, MONEY, and skills to keep the savages alive–even as they try to wipe us out of one country after another!

          Yet who makes the best countries? Do savages try to pour into the Civilized World and ruin OUR countries, or do whites pour into savages’ countries and make them better?
          How many white countries have been overthrown by savages making themselves “at home” in their betters’ countries, by murdering their hosts. What do you think happened to the women once savages slaughtered the men?
          Tell me about Haiti, South Africa, Rhodesia, Kenya, Zaire, etc.
          Somehow you feel comfortable lecturing US about OUR atrocities, but if WE tell YOU about YOURS, that’s racist, right?

          TLDR: YOU are the savages, stop trying to make US look as bad as YOU because we kill a few of the things that kill us–but have to subsidize our own invasion!

  68. sara

    Arabs are the earliest Caucasian, North middle eastern Arabs (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine) are fair skin and blonde hair with blue or green eyes, Arabs in south middle east look tanned skin with hazel eyes oe brown, hair brown or black.

  69. Omega

    It has been proven thru DNA that all races other than Africans are mixed with Neanderthal. And that skin color adaption for better vitamin D production in low sunlight contitions was taken from the Neanderthal via interspecies mating and that hair type genes came along for the ride (real or full reason not yet know). This is the reason why the biological & anthropological books are being rewritten so that the Neanderthal is now to be viewed as a better looking more intelligent human cousin and not the sub human creature we were taught! Makes you wonder if the Neanderthal would of gotten a makeover if his genes were found in the Negroid race alone and not the others!?!? The exact opposite!

  70. junebug

    It is just my honest opinion that
    & I’m just being honest here people.
    The Caucasian race resembles a cancerous plague that has infected the planet.
    The have festered on the European continent perfecting the art of war on each other & then set out across the waters to infect other cultures.y
    By invading & killing healthy cultures
    & replacing with mutated sick non pure people.
    In all of trans continental travel never have African history have such a conquest of worlds have been done …
    From what i have learned is yes you are a evil race & the European European union Must be destroyed!!!

    • Tchortik

      Erm , right…okay.
      So if there were no Europeans in existence then the people of Asia, Africa, South America and Australia would have been and would still be all lovey-dovey, peaceful, touchy-feely folks, never tw*tting eachother senseless; murdering; enslaving; invading; having their wee skirmishes and so on… right?
      Thought so :)
      I for one am very happy that Europeans exist as I love music that uses synthesisers (Kraftwerk, electro, etc…there would be no House music without the humble European synthesiser:) ; hot and cold running water in the house: ballet; classical music; radio; telephones; homoeopathy; functioning infrastructures; rights for women, gays, etc; air travel; the list goes on.
      I wouldn’t say that Europeans are “an evil race” as that is a very bigoted and racist assertion. However, you are entitled to your beliefs, erroneous as they may be.

      • Your Scientifical Highness

        Keep it Simple

        The Caucasian gene is a MADE Phenotype
        Grafted out of the ORIGINAL MAN, THE BLAC MAN OF AFRICAN

        Most carry the Rh Negative phenotype, spliced out of the neanderthal and manifested out cro-magnon and homo Sapien..

        Peace, Love, Truth, Light

    • EPGAH

      We’re not an evil race, we’re the peacemakers of the world.
      The only wars we’ve had are when others try to take what we built.

      What do you consider a “healthy” culture? The savages that breed every time they come into rut, then invade white countries when they FEEL whites aren’t giving them a big enough vig of our success, our food, our money.

      As to being destroyed, the savages nearly wiped each other out UNTIL whites came down and enforced peace. From the Shaka Zulu Genocide to the Rwandan Genocide, savages did a great job wiping each other out when whites were NOT there to referee, to keep them apart.

      As to sick&not pure, what do you call the Virgin Cleansing Myth? Raping a virgin to “cure” yourself of whatever ails you?

      If Europeans are an “evil race”, why do you use everything we invented, from the wheel to the Internet? Stay away from us! Stay out of our countries, our cities, our neighborhoods. Stop murdering us and stealing everything we built. Stop whining “racism” when we have to protect ourselves from your violence–sorry, “poor impulse control”

  71. jdot

    Robert Lindsey, hmmm the name sounded very familiar then I realized I had read another article by you. The first one I ever read by you was about what its like to be a ‘genius’. I had recently taken an IQ test and decided to look up writers who are in my same IQ range and of course found you. And upon looking through my browsing history, I’ve found I’ve actually read quite a few of your articles. Anyways I thought that was strange because it seems like I often find myself on your site when Google searching things that pop into my mind. Maybe 147’s give off some kind of vibe? Lol anyways keep up the great work. I always enjoy reading your insights, sir.

    • Always nice to meet a fellow genius LOL. Glad you love the site. Stick around if you wish. The comments sections are great.

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  72. Dave Mowers

    Why could the truth not be that Neanderthal evolved from inter-special contact with homo sapiens becoming a hybrid which over time became more homo sapien than Neanderthal which would explain the extinction of Neanderthal by absorption into homo sapien and also account for the massive Neanderthal finds in Europe thereby proving the ancient belief that Caucasians were a separate race from all others while explaining why Caucasians were so much more advanced than other races and came to dominate so much of ancient history and the world?

    In genetic modification experiments a single gene, the equivalent of one percent of the total, can completely alter a species over time by setting off change reactions that accumulate turning it into something other than what it was entirely. If we believe in evolution and we have genetic science that proves this is possible then it must stand that it is possible that Caucasians are in fact Neanderthal.

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  74. Dan Bronson

    Could someone please tell me… when are the nasty niggers in Detroit going to “evolve” into good white people?

  75. Your Scientifical Highness

    Its funny pale skin Caucasoid ppl think there Natural to this Earth lol .
    No Valor, No Honour in who you are…Nothing but lies and treachery lol

    • EPGAH

      Lies&treachery, huh? Is that like when savages invade white countries claiming loudly to be “Only There To Work”, then demand rights “equal” to their betters, then ultimately overthrow the country in an orgy of violence and theft?

  76. I have been described on those columns as a ‘nutty nordicist’. I have good news. Since those halcyon days, I have become even nuttier, and may now be safely described as a ‘nutty ATLANTEAN nordicist.’
    How I came to this state, is in itself quite interesting( at least to me).Learning to fly( in an aircraft) started the ball rolling.That led to navigation and an interest in the mixture-maxture, a veritable dog’s breakfast, of units of measurement…….. feet, metres, litres, gallons (imperial). gallons (US),miles (statute), miles (nautical), kilometres.
    The metric system is easy. Everything about it has has been recorded from its inception.
    But the rest…well, the plot thickens for a while, but the fog clears on the discovery that the multude of old units are in simple ratio to each other, all based around the humble inch and all relate to geodesy( earth measurement) and astronomical phenomena.

    What has this to do with the origin of Caucasians?( why are they called Caucasians?)
    Well, this. There is no sign of evolution or development of this system of measures… failed experiments….It just arrives out of the blue….360 degrees in the circle, 24hrs a day, each of sixty mins and each min of 60 secs……. like domestication of animals, agriculture and even ‘civilisation’. It all started so rapidly……. too rapidly, to have evolved.
    Somebody, somewhere, sometime had a blueprint in their head. Everything points to the existence of a previous civilisation…..and a maritime one at that.Why the obsession with the size and shape of the earth and units based on those phenomena, when they would be of little use, other than passing interest, to land-based, hunting ,nomadic societies?….but they would be of vital importance to a maritime trading civilisation…like one based on Atlantis.

    So did Atlantis exist? Maybe. Visit the excellent website…”In Quest of Atlantis”, byAmerican historian, Cedric Leonard. He has collected all the evidence and lays it before you, for you to decide for yourself… a respected and trustworthy, honest academic should do.

    Given there was an Atlantis , my theory goes like this.
    Albinism, a mutation, occurs spontaneously in black tribes. See them on you tube.Those freaks of nature( they look very like me, often red haired and freckled) are either killed or shunned by blacks and ‘outlawed’. They band together and form groups that just survive by using their wits and quitting the jungle where they are at a terrific disadvantage. But put them in boats where they can reach the safety of islands and ally them with dog and wolf packs and the picture changes. They can now survive provided the black man can’t get them. They even escape Africa, out to Atlantis, by island-hopping along the chain of islands that existed then. The cooler temperate climate with its lower light intensity suits them and unmolested and safe , they begin to adapt and thrive, and develop technologies associated with the interesting products of vulcanism. Far from eschewing those dangerous displays of the power of nature, they actively seek them out, for although there are risks involved, the benefits are greater, in the way of novel materials and markedly greater fertility of soil, whether cultivated or not.
    So much of the history and settlement of Europe by white , evolved and adapted Cro-magnon man , exercising his ‘ manifest destiny’….the conquest and enslavement of Europe’s indigenous neanderthals, becomes clearer…….and that migration came from the WEST. Not the East.
    Rubbish , you say, or words to that effect. Well you explain to me the paintings in the French caves, all in the WEST of France….the stone circles all up and down the WESTERN seaboard of Europe. How else is a civilised man to tell the time and run a calendar when he arrives cold and hungry, after a long sea-voyage, with only the clothes on his back and few tools?
    Then there are questions over the origins of the Picts and the Basques, a sea- going people who were making trips to the Newfoundland Grand Banks long before Columbus.

    From this, you guess that I am a white supremacist. That’s true to some extent. I don’t think it is entirely healthy to be a white inferioricist, or even a white sameicist. Nature is cruel. Give up on pride in yourself and you’re going to go the way of the Dodo. What if other races don’t harbour the same altruistic feelings as you tremendously-nice, ever-so civilised whiteys do?
    Did you know that only some five hundred years ago, all the whites in the world were to be found crammed into the western scrag end of Europe and north west Russia, under repeated assault from the rapid-breeding, neanderthal- mongrel middle east and the mongoloid nomadic hordes from the Asian Steppes? Not much talk about ‘white supremacy’ in those days.
    No USA, Canada or Australia in those days.
    Once again boats and ships were the hallmark and saviour of the white race.
    The British Isles were to become the home of Atlantis II.

    I enjoyed writing that. It makes me feel so much better about myself, now that there is a good chance that great-grand-dad, times 100, wasn’t a black that ventured into Europe, but was more likely a white, albinist mutant that was expelled from Africa by black Africans, and sailed the ocean blue to found Atlantis, the precursor to Babylon and Egypt.
    I just hope, that with time, this conjecture proves to be true.

    • Dave Mowers

      You simply cannot use the Albino gene hypothesis because Caucasians and Neanderthal both invaded Africa and their genes are found in north Africans(Neanderthal) and a large portion of the African population for Caucasoid genetics but given the fact that for thousands of years white people have occupied Africa there is obviously thousands of years of admixture to account for the Albino gene.

      Picts, Phoenicians, Minoans and Early Egyptians along with all Sumerians were Caucasians and it have been proven by DNA not to even mention their own artwork and statements about their color and origins.

      • “You simply cannot use the Albino gene hypothesis ”

        I think I can. There it is before you. It happens…and quite frequently. The only imponderables are…1)Does it happen often enough so that a band or clan might survive? and 2) What are the chances that they might have the brains to use water and islands for protection?..and recruit the use of the canine race as effective ears and noses as sentinels?
        Quite high, I would have thought, given enough time. Remember too that those proto white albinists would be very familiar with the ways of the blackman. They would have to look to their wits, and their wits only. Only the artful and ‘witty’ would survive.
        Any direct physical confrontation, with primitive weaponry, against the blacks was out of the question. The only possible realistic survival strategy would have been to run and hide.

        Think too on ‘white’ genes. They are all recessive ie inferior, to black ones. Why would that not be so unless albinism was a freak of nature, where by chance, multiple recessive genes have been brought together?
        Take the phenomenon of the white blackbird, or even partially white. It gets hunted down and persecuted as though it were an affront to nature.
        My theory and instinct says……but given enough mutants, they would band together, hold territory, and God willing , would mate and produce offspring……… in their own image.

        • Dave Mowers

          The gene is only recessive because it is caused by a vitamin deficiency which took root during the Ice Age as Caucasians(Neanderthal) live in caves and hunted at night. Once again proving that Caucasians are not a new race because they lost their skin pigmentation during the ice ages circa 12,000, 110,000 and 650,000 years ago.

          You can keep pretending that their is some relationship between African blacks and Caucasians if you want but science is quickly eliminating all your excuses and bizarro reasoning.

  77. I have read through Mr Lindsay’s theories( and they are THEORIES) of the origin of the white race, but find his rather convoluted narrative, replete with unexplained arcane terms, deeply flawed….in 5 ways.
    1) He mentions nothing about the changing geology,topography,climate and oceanography of the Earth.
    2) He ignores the effects of catastrophism, ie the deluge of circa 10,000 BC that nearly every culture and race refers to somewhere in its folk memory.
    3)He ignores the writings and speculations of those closer to that birth of white race……the Greek philospher Plato, and the story of the Egyptian priest Solon, which he passes on to us.
    4)He ignores the presence of whites on the American continents, North and South, and the increasing evidence that they migrated into the Pacific.
    5)He assumes that whites, somehow or other dropped, their black genes (and put on white jeans) and overnight, became double recessives on meeting a wee bit snow and ice and encountering short days with low light intensity, as they migrated north. Such a process whould take aeons of time to accomplish and would, according to the laws of chance, inevitably be imperfectly accomplished.

    ……..Yet, the phenomenon of albinism in blacks is there already, before your very eyes. Whole orphanages are filled with naturally-occurring recessive albinos.Allow me to play God for a couple of hundred years, and I speculate that there is a good chance that I could selectively breed a new white race….or something that had more than a passing resemblance to the present one.

  78. QofH3art$

    For the most part this blog has some very useful information, however it gets fuzzy with the continuous support of Darwin. What a ridiculous notion. About as ridiculous as all of the scholarly language, DNA codes, endless different names of peoples I’ve never heard of…a true science and study of what makes the races when it’s really quite simple. We will find there is no need to be so divided since we are are made of mostly the same substance. So ready to discount the ‘out of Africa’ origins of the modern human and so ready to come from an animal instead. tsk tsk

    First, how could humans evolve from apes if according to all this information the oldest humans in our history (not to be confused with ‘the’ history of the world-it’s cyclic not linear..contrary to…) are from Africa and that white people..white skin (melanin recessive) has not been around as long as Black skin has. The carbon content of black skin didn’t just happen from sun exposure. We formed just as the stars and the earth did. We contain the same makeup as the stars…we’re not apes, we’re more similar to planets. The oldest people in Africa don’t grow hair all over their bodies or faces. It makes no sense and Darwin’s theory has never been proven..the missing link is still missing. Why does anyone intelligent still teach it?

    Boo hoo, the Afrocentrics beat you up and kicked you out of their what, can you blame Melanin Dominant people for being angry?? We’re sorry…does it bother you that we are a broken people that have never been fixed, especially because the breaking keeps going and seems to never stop. I think gritting your teeth and bearing it is the least anyone can do instead of getting belligerent when there are cries of pain from a people constantly being bombarded by a racist system…it goes beyond words and name calling. All you have to do is take a look at the comments in this blog. The hatred is rampant and takes on an almost sinister evil air… for no other reason than the disdain for the black people of the world.

    It’s funny how Middle Eastern people are considered ‘Caucasian’ NOW, but during the European invasion of India (aka SE Asia) in the 1500s, they discriminated against and mistreated the indigenous population just as is the custom now based on their black skin and even called them *ni66er as well. Same formula all over the world; Black people are already there when white people arrive from wherever they came from (obviously dissatisfied with what they had-they needed to take what others enjoyed as their home), they pretend to establish trade, then commence the art of war to divide the people and then conquer them. This from a previous comment:

    “Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white.”

    Similarly, the Chief Protector of Aborigines in Western Australia, A.O. Neville, wrote in an article for The West Australian in 1930:

    “Eliminate the full-blood and permit the white admixture to half-castes, and eventually the race will become white.”

    For someone to still make comments like “black people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves had it not been for white people”???…are people really still that ignorant?? The contributions that the first people one this planet made have yet to be matched by any civilization following. We haven’t evolved, we have devolved. The technology that created the great pyramids and megalithic structures left behind by our indigenous ancestors the world over were created before the Egyptian population became Caucasian….waay before, the technology of today can’t even match it. If, in fact the same Caucasians that some may credit modern technology with (even though all nationalities have contributed greatly to modern technology) built the pyramids…then with all of their money and neanderthal brains why can’t they recreate it now???

    Race is such a simple equation. The oldest humans of our period were black as carbon and walked upright and were not covered with hair and originated in a hot climate with plenty of lush, rich flora and fauna, air easy to breath so the nostrils could expand fully inhale deeply, feeding the brain and the body with ample fresh oxygen creating a constitution of wellness and strength.

    Agile, flexible bodies which worked well with nature so their eyes and teeth glowed as bright as stars and their mind as sharp as arrows and proceeded to build great civilizations on every continent…then the Neanderthals arrived, the cavemen from the Caucasus mountains, sick and diseased from lack of sun rich nutrients, high altitude freezing air struggling to warm itself through narrow nostrils, little oxygen to the brain…you know…sick. These peoples blended together and created all of the other variations of humans we see today. There was never an all white world…there was, however an all black world.

    If you research the history of Great Britain and Europe it will all become clear to you. It wouldn’t hurt to take a course or two of World Cultures Asia and World Cultures Africa…you, know…the ‘PC crap’ or the ‘anti-white’ college curriculum referenced by a few earlier commenters.

    All this other mumbo jumbo…big words, lots of new words to describe ancient people and their offspring, codes etc. etc. blah blah is just to keep up all of the confusion.

    • EPGAH

      We tried to fix the savages for about 500 years, then got tired of them not only biting the hands that fed, but wiping us completely out of one of our countries after another.
      Now we let them into our countries, give them special rights and privileges.

      Treating them as the animals they are, either putting them on a leash, in a cage, or wiping them out of our countries would be “racist”, right?
      Despite the obvious economic advantages of NOT having a permanent Welfare class, and of course, that protecting ourselves from these savages in EVERY ONE OF OUR COUNTRIES gets expensive, right?

      The only confusion is that which you and your supporters introduce. If there’s something that LOOKS like you, does not produce anything but more of itself, attacks your people, why wouldn’t you wipe it out, rather than coddling it and making excuses for its violence?
      “Aww, it’s too POOR to obey our rules!”
      “Violence is part of the savages’ CULTURE! We can’t take that from them!”

  79. QofH3art$

    You know, I have to thank you Robert Lindsay for posting this blog because throughout the conversation you can truly distinguish between the real ‘savages’ and those wanting a peaceful resolution and understanding of the phenomenon of “The Birth of the Caucasian Race”.
    All the Indigenous peoples of the world whose lands were stolen, resources robbed, cultures and families torn apart by this race…the amount of global damage is insurmountable, yet understanding their origins offers much clarity.
    We, the Melanin dominant oldest and wisest peoples of the world would do well to recognize the stunted growth of the youngest race on the Earth, and see them for what they truly are…a mutated form of infants on a rampage, selfish, disconnected from nature and all things spiritual with violent abusive tendencies.
    We should stop continuing to subscribe and react to all the divisions imposed on us by the conqueror of our lands and see ourselves as one, because we truly are. It’s a waste of energy and time…thereby stunting our own growth. The true minority (no matter what the skewed census statistics say) wants to keep us fighting against one another so that they, in their small numbers can ensure their existence on this planet. They are fighting for their very survival which is why they are so vicious. This viciousness when set upon peaceful peoples the world over is the reason for their collection of stolen resources and power. No one else in the world would ever dream of such brutality and devastation against any other people/animals/forests on the planet…they are the only ones who for the sake of greed and power are willing to destroy the very Earth they need for their own survival. That is the most extreme demonstration of blind desperation human history has ever known.
    I excuse you, Sam, Epgah and your other ‘lodge’ brothers and sisters, for you truly truly know not what you do…your days are numbered by your own short sighted design. Your disrespectful use of language and racial slurs against me and mine do nothing to disrupt my confidence that you will be your own undoing.
    Unlike you…I don’t have to preach about racial superiority nor create an entire distorted and twisted system to support that claim, killing millions in the wake.
    BE the change.

    • EPGAH

      What change? The Melanin-dominant are now invading and ruining the white countries around the world. We predicted such brutality and devastation because we saw it in their own failed countries.

      Hint : supremacism is about ruling over others, survivalism is about staying alive. If a group is worried about its disappearance due to mass-immigration and miscegenation, plus outright violence, then they are survivalists and not supremacists. Falsely accusing them of supremacism raises the suspicion that you don’t want them to survive.

  80. intelligentloyalist

    I need explained to me in a simple fashion, if the white peoples came from the deserts and suchlike, what made us leave the grass huts, explore, rule etc etc surely everyone with an iq over 10 just didn’t up sticks and decide to go somewhere cold ?

    • Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps the search for resources like always when they explored?

      A desert environment would definitely force a population to do so, however I’m not sure.

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  82. OMG. I thought I was on the Ancient Aliens website for second there.

  83. Lee

    I really enjoyed reading this!!! But i wonder is it color thats dividing folk,,ignorance, ,or my personal pick, ,religion, ,,we are one people after all,,

  84. Bopper

    After reading thru this, wouldn’t it be most likely that the albinos from Africa were the first to be run out of their homes. This forcing them to migrate, due to fear for their lives. Shouldn’t this mean that the birth of racial prejudice was spurred from the very people who now wave the race card at every opportune time? Sort of seems to start holding true to the old saying ‘what goes around comes around’

  85. tukgada

    Caucasian people are the weakest genetics they tend to disappear. Look at mixing, when Caucasian mix with Asians, their children look Asians. Look at Bruce Lee, who on this earth can know he is partly Caucasian? When Caucasian mix with Africans, their children look African. look at Obama, who on this earth can know he is partly Caucasian? Hate to analyze.

    • TH Huxley

      That’s BS. There are also white-admixed who look predominantly white. Even mulattoes sometimes can have pretty much 100% blond, blue-eyed babies. Once, recently, a couple of mixed race had even twins that look like babies of different races.

      Some features will be genetically dominant. That just means that just one allele will make it visible in the phenotype, not that the genes are “weak” and “disappear”. This is exactly the same sort of BS white racists say to try to argue that it’s important to avoid race-mixing, only switching the race one thinks is superior.

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  87. SHI

    Do you think Indians are closer to blacks than Europeans?

    Have you heard of the “Melanin theory”? Promulgated by black nationalists, it says that melanin is where the human soul resides. Darker-skinned people including Africans, Arabs, Indians and S.South East Asian people have this pigment in abundance which makes them far more empathetic, feelings oriented and sensitive. The same qualities explain why these races are lazy, shiftless and hypersexual.

    Whereas white people and North East Asians, because of their lack of melanin, just cannot “feel” the way darkies do. This makes them cruel, naturally aggressive, vengeful, blood-thirsty…basically the spitting image of Viking warriors. On the positive side, absence of feelings and emotions makes these melanin-deficients inventive, hard-working, efficient, creative with a much greater ability to keep their sexual impulses in control. This may have some truth, both men and women in darkie nations constantly think of sex. Whites are a lot more subdued, can do without it.

    Italians and Spaniards are an exception, being slightly darker compared to other Europeans, they have more human like qualities.

    • That’s the dumbest shit I’v ever heard.

    • Apparently there is nothing scientific to this theory at all, but that won’t stop the antiscientific Black nationalists from parroting it.

      Indians are no closer to Blacks than any other Caucasians are. The only Caucasians that are closer to Blacks than the rest are Arabs and especially North Africans.

    • That’s actually quite backwords, for I have read quite a lot of African ethnograoghy and trust me when I say that “darkies” don’t lack in Blood-thirstiness.

  88. “Caucasians and NE Asians are also quite close, but not nearly as close as Caucasians and Africans.”

    Fst (Europeans and Africans) = .153 contrasted with Fst (Europeans and Japanese) = .111; the latter was corroborated by the late Henry Harpending (RIP) who found that the French-Japanese Fst value was .12. (

    Perhaps there are data backing your assertion as well, but it seems to me that either A) Europeans are closer to Asians than to Africans, or B) the jury is still out on this one. Perhaps you meant to say that Asians are farther from Africans than we are, which is true.

    In any case I highly doubt that any two H sapiens subspecies are going to be subject even to Haldane’s Rule anytime soon. IIRC it typically takes two million years for primate lineages to begin to lose interfertility.

  89. Ultra Cool

    It’s always good to learn the origin of your people, though I still don’t get the dark skinned people with caucasian facial features of the Indian Subcontinent, are they mostly caucasian or something else?

  90. S.D.

    Eurasia is a continent so naturally Asians and Europeans cluster nearer in DNA than to people from other continents.

  91. All right moron. Nigga, I am banning your Black ass, ok? Back to corner with you now to sell more crack. Your babymama is waiting there for you. The welfare check came today! It’s your lucky day, homes!

  92. Mete

    Hello I am a researcher & an artist… I learned & found out that I am from both parents half white Caucasian & half white central Asian TURKISH…I have red hair eyebrows in my dark eyebrows, & I have blonde hair among my beard under my lower lip also I have redish light-brownish BLOND(e)ish Mostaush…I have white pale skin, my face is tanned with light redish pigments, my arms hands are tanned with redish pigments & purplish pigmentation…My chest is redish tanned like james Bond sun tanned skin…I find genetics science very interesting & fascinating…Mete han

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