The Birth of the Caucasian Race

An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman.

An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman. An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman.

A reconstruction of a very early European, based on fragments found in caves in the Carpathian Mountains of Romania from 2002 on, offers a tantalizing glimpse at what early Europeans must have looked like.

He actually looks a bit like Richard Steele, boxing referee and possible throwback.

Previously, the oldest European skull was 30,000 years ago and was said to look like a modern European, with closest affinities to Finns.

As you can see, the White nationalists are furious about this.

The “White European” phenotype as we know it today did not come into existence until after 12,000 years ago, or maybe sooner.

Before that, European Caucasians resemble Arabs. For instance, a 24,000 year old Cro-Magnon European shows DNA similarities to Near East (Arabs or the Caucasus). A 23,000 year old Italian Cro-Magnon sample genetically resembles modern Middle Easterners from Palestine, Syria, Yemen and Iran.

Cro-Magnon was not The Original White Man. He was a Middle Easterner – an Arab-Iranian type.

The original Proto-Asians came out of Africa 65,000 years ago, probably descendants of the M168 line, although NE Asians are probably partly M89.

The original Caucasians did indeed come out of Africa about 40-45,000 years ago, probably descendants of the M89 line. Whites and Caucasians in general are probably a legacy of M89 and not M168.

M89 birthed M45, which are the Proto-Amerindians of 35,000 years ago, on the steppes and in the Mongolia-Siberia region. A child of M45, M173, were the first Europeans, and may be represented by this fellow. Later, M343, the real Cro-Magnon, appeared. It is a bit confusing whether Cro-Magnon is M173 or M343 or both.

The early genesis of the Caucasoid race involved a large injection of Asian genes from Mongolia, Siberia and East Turkestan. This occurred about 40-45,000 years and represents about 2/3 of the proto-Caucasian genetic line (Bowcock 1991). These proto-East Asians probably looked something like Aborigines or possibly Ainu. Modern NE Asians do not appear until about 9,000 years ago.

Before that, all Asians looked like Aborigines, Melanesians, or Ainus. As noted above, the modern European phenotype also only appears 10,000 years ago. So both modern Whites and modern East Asians only go back 10,000 years, to the Last Glacial Maximum. All humans had dark skin until 10,000 years ago. What birthed light skin? The glaciers.

For an analysis of this early process, which injected a lot of Proto-Asian genes into the Northern European Cro-Magnon line, see this early discussion on my now-banned blog:

Based on y-chromosome lineages, Atlantic and north European men (Cro-Magnon descendants) are related to N.E Asian men.

They all descend from haplogroup Q which arose in the north Himalayas and south Siberia 45,000 years ago, with one group branching off west eventually ending up in the Pyrenees, the Caspian sea and northern Scandinavia. The other group would go across east Asia and even to the Americas.

Indeed, there were movements in the other direction too – from Northern Europe back to Siberia. An ancient line of Europeans called Orcadians (named after barren islands in the north of Scotland) went back to Siberia at some point and contributed significantly to the genetic line of the Yakut, a Siberian grouping that is now only 6% Caucasian. The Yakut as ancient Scotlanders? Incredible.

The other 1/3 of the line was an early African (Bowcock 1991), maybe a Proto-Caucasian African out of South Africa (see below). Out of the Proto-African and Proto-Asian mixture was birthed the Proto-Caucasian.

The African phenotype was not Bantuoid because modern Blacks do not appear in Africa until about 12,000 years ago.

I have always wondered what these folks looked like, and this is an interesting part of our heritage.

In the Amren article linked above, commenter JPT is not correct that Whites are on our way to being a different species. Caucasians, Blacks and East Asians are still fairly closely related.

The furthest apart are Blacks and Aborigines. If anyone is evolutionarily on their way to becoming a separate species or subspecies, it is the Aborigines and the Papuans of New Guinea. The distance between them and Africans is greater than the distance between any two human groups.

It might be interesting to see what happens if they mate. I am pretty sure that they can mate successfully, but it might be interesting to see if their couples are less fertile than others. As genetic distance increases, infertility does too because you are moving closer and closer to separate species. I know that Europeans and Aborigines can mate successfully, as there has been a ton of this going on since the first White invaders attacked (I mean landed on) Australia several hundred years ago.

Speaking of Aborigines, yes, they are very different, but they are not Homo Erectus as many say. They are fully human. Homo Erectus lives to this day in large numbers in San Fransisco.

What follows is reconstruction of the genesis of the early Caucasians.

First of all, a line descended from the original M1 line out of Africa arose in Southwest Asia in the Levant (Israel, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria). This line had come out of Africa via Somalia to Yemen and Arabia 40-45,000 years ago.

It’s known that they went back to Africa, but it was always thought that they went back the same way that they came, via the Red Sea. Instead, they moved out through the Sinai and into North Africa to become the Proto-Berbers. This same line moved into Europe via the same Mediterranean route, this time along the Northern Mediterranean. These folks indeed may have been related to the fellow pictured above.

The most succinct summary of the Proto-Caucasians is found here.The actual birthplace of the Proto-Caucasians was in the Caucasus, as one may expect. A figurine has been found in the Don River area of southern Russia dating from 45,000 years ago. It is thought that this is a remnant of this earliest Proto-Caucasian culture.

Proto-Caucasian Man came out of the Caucasus 39-52,000 years ago. One went west to Europe, possibly resulting in the fellow above and N. Africa (this is the line out of the Levant described above) and other east to NE Asia, probably the M89 line described above, and this in part explains Caucasian affinities of Koreans, North Chinese, Mongolians, etc.

There were also further returns to North Africa from Caucasus and India 30,000 years ago. It appears that the birthing grounds of the Caucasian Race were in the Caucasus, the Middle East, India and North Africa. The highly modern East Indian and North African Berbers – both diverse groups of Caucasians – may be the remains of the earliest proto-Caucasians.

It is interesting to postulate on what the proto-Caucasians who moved out of Africa via the Red Sea 42,000 years ago looked like. No one knows. However, curiously, 36,000 years ago a new line arose in South Africa. It looked like a Caucasian, specifically like Cro-Magnon and other Late Pleistocene cave man types in Europe.

No one knows what happened to this line, but this proto-Caucasian in South Africa 36,000 years ago could have moved up to the Rift Valley area and then to Arabia to give rise to the Caucasians. Keep in mind that by the time that Africans moved out of Africa, only 2 lines left.

At 65,000 YBP (years before present) an incredible 40 different lines had already evolved separately in Africa, and they were all quite different. Only two of these 40 diverse lines left Africa. The rest stayed and birthed the tremendously diverse African race of today.

It’s often said that the Khoisan-Bushmen of Southwest Africa are the most ancient living people. However, recent research shows that this is wrong. The most ancient humans are from East Africa, specifically from around Kenya and Tanzania.

This includes the Masai (thought to be originally from the Sudan), the Sandawe (a Khoisan type in northern Kenya), the Datog (similar to the Masai, and probably also originally from the Sudan), and the Burunge and Gorowaa, both of whom came from Ethiopia recently.

The African Eve, the first human, was probably a Northeast African or East African. Man probably originated in Ethiopia or Sudan, close to the Rift Valley that transformed the first men from apes and watered the fields of the long line of Homo that ended in ourselves.

From a dead link discussing Tishkoff’s findings:

Sarah Tishkoff of the University of Maryland and a team of coworkers reported genetic analyses of more than 600 living Tanzanians from 14 different tribes and four linguistic groups. They analyzed mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) the tool of choice for tracing ancestry because it is inherited only through the mother as part of the ovum.

The number of mutations that have accumulated in mtDNA is a rough measure of the time that has passed since that lineage first appeared.

The owner of the first modern human mtDNA (by definition, a woman) is often referred to as “Eve,” although many women of that time are likely to have shared similar mtDNA.

Genetic diversity

Tishkoff and her colleagues chose to investigate East African peoples for specific reasons. The number of linguistic and cultural differences is unusually high in the region, as is the variation in physical appearance – East Africans are tall or short, darker-skinned or lighter-skinned, round-faced or narrow-faced, and so on.

This observation suggested that the genetic composition of the population is highly diverse, and as expected, the team found substantial variation in the mtDNA.

In fact, members of five of the lineages showed an exceptionally high number of mutations compared with other populations, indicating that these East African lineages are of great antiquity.

Identified by tribal affiliation, these are: the Sandawe, who speak a “click” language related to that of the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert; the Burunge and Gorowaa, who migrated to Tanzania from Ethiopia within the last five thousand years; and the Maasai and the Datog, who probably originated in the Sudan.

The efforts of the University of Maryland group reflect a substantially larger database and more certain geographic origins for its subjects than earlier mtDNA studies.

Further, the work by Tishkoff’s team reveals that these five East African populations have even older origins than the !Kung San of southern Africa, who previously had the oldest known mtDNA.

“These samples showed really deep, old lineages with lots of genetic diversity,” Tishkoff says. “They are the oldest lineages identified to date. And that fact makes it highly likely that ‘Eve’ was an East or Northeast African. My guess is that the region of Ethiopia or the Sudan is where modern humans originated.”

For more links between the Tutsi – Masai types and the original Europeans, see the following early discussions (here, here, here) from my previous (now shut down) blog. It’s a bit hard to get your head around, but if you think hard, you can start to understand it.

I spent months trying to figure out exactly what this guy was saying, and I think I have it now. His intriguing comments strongly suggest that the earliest Cro-Magnon ancestors were derived from populations that are now the East African Masai, Tutsi, etc:

Masai and Tutsi are doliocephalic and orthaganus. Tutsi and Masai Central African types are quite low skulled, like the original Cro-Magnons were. Also MtDNA retrieved from a Cro-Magnon in Europe was found to belong to haplogroup *N, which directly and immediately descends from L3, which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Some of its clades went south and then east onto Australasia, while the northern clade went to the Middle East and gave birth to *N, and other clades went to West Africa and south.

It’s the northern subclades of L3 that gave birth to *N (like l3a1) that are the most closely related L3 members, and Sub Saharan Africans are closest to *N bearing Cro-Magnons, as they are their most immediate and closest ancestors.

It would be interesting to see if the Tutsi and Masai have any of these northern subclades of L3, as they are more closely related to Cro-Magnon *N than any other MTDNA lineage in the world.

What I cant get my head around is the overlap in identical SNP clusters (Caucasoid) between populations of predominantly different patrilineal and matrilineal ancestry. e.g. e3b Ethiopians (also predominantly indigenous African on mtDNA) and r1a/I1a Norwegians.

R1a and Ia descend from K, which arose in the Middle East, and e3b descends from YAP, which arose in Uganda. The nearest ancestor of R* and I* and J* Europeans/Middle Easterners with E3b Ethiopians is the M168 male, which is the ancestor of all other modern humans, so they share as little as possible recent ancestry.

On mtDNA East Africans are predominantly L3, which is the direct ancestor of mtDNA N*, which is the original Middle Eastern Caucasoid mtDNA marker, which has been retrieved from 2 European Cro-Magnon specimens too. I wonder if East Africans have northern subclades of L3, as they would be the most closely related L3 subclades to N*.

See below. They do look like White people, don’t they?

An example of a Dinka, an example of what I call a West Sudan Elongated Desert Adapated African. This man is a negotiator for the SPLA, the Sudanese People's Liberation Army.

An example of a Dinka, an example of what I call a West Sudan Elongated Desert Adapted African. This man is a negotiator for the SPLA, the Sudanese People’s Liberation Army.

A Masai man. The more I look at this guy, the more I think he looks like our 36,000 year old Caucasian guy reconstructed at the start of the post. Or am I hallucinating?

A Masai man. The more I look at this guy, the more I think he looks like our 36,000 year old Caucasian guy reconstructed at the start of the post.

More Dinka West Sudan Elongated Desert African phenotypes.

More Dinka West Sudan Elongated Desert African phenotypes.

Another West Sudanic type, from an old anthropological textbook, back in the days when race still existed and we could still discuss phenotypes and whatnot. You know, before the Cultural Marxist dickwads took over?

Another West Sudanic type, from an old anthropological textbook, back in the days when race still existed and we could still discuss phenotypes and whatnot.

A Tutsi, possible ancestors of the original proto-Caucasians. Note the Caucasoid appearance.

A Tutsi, possible ancestors of the original proto-Caucasians. Note the Caucasoid appearance.

Another Tutsi. I must say they are handsome folks. Hey WN's, say hello to Grandpa!

Another Tutsi. I must say they are handsome folks.

Yet another Tutsi. I can't get over how much these Africans look like Caucasians or Whites in facial structure.

Yet another Tutsi. I can’t get over how much these Africans look like Caucasians or Whites in facial structure.

Eastern Desert Elongated Africans, possible progenitors of the Caucasoids, look like Caucasians. One argument is that this is due to inbreeding with Caucasoids. In fact, they are pure Africans. See the chart.

Eastern Desert Elongated Africans, possible progenitors of the Caucasoids, look like Caucasians. One argument is that this is due to inbreeding with Caucasoids. In fact, they are pure Africans. See the chart.

Another chart showing the African purity of the possible proto-Caucasoids of Africa. Take home point: Caucasian appearance is not due to Caucasoid interbreeding; it's de novo.

Another chart showing the African purity of the possible proto-Caucasoids of Africa. Take home point: Caucasian appearance is not due to Caucasoid interbreeding; it’s de novo.


Bowcock, AM, Kidd, JR, Mountain, JL, Hebert, JM, Carotenuto, L, Cavalli-Sforza, LL and Kid, KK. February 1, 1991. Drift, Admixture, and Selection in Human Evolution: A Study With DNA Polymorphisms. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 88(3): 839–843.

Cabrera, Vicente M, Maca-Meyer, Nicole, González, Ana M, Larruga, José M, Flores, Carlos. 2001. Major Genomic Mitochondrial Lineages Delineate Early Human Expansions. BMC Genetics 2:13

Hellenthal G, Auton A, Falush D. 2008. Inferring Human Colonization History Using a Copying Model. PLoS Genetics 4(5).

Wade, Nicholas. 2006. Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors. East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA: Penguin Group.

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392 responses to “The Birth of the Caucasian Race

  1. Lafayette Sennacherib

    Very interesting. Sort of on topic, I came upon a book recently, by Felice Vinci: ‘the Baltic Origins of Homer’s Epic Tales’. My first reaction was ” oh, another one of these…” but he seems to have impressed a few serious people with it, and it sounds like a very interesting thing to explore further. Read the blurb and especially the customer reviews ( particularly the 2 long ones) here:

    In short, his theory is that the reason that Homer’s place descriptions can’t be tallied with anywhere in the Mediterranean is that the stories were (obviously) actually located in the Baltic ( he’s found Baltic locations that match the descriptions and journey) , before a drastic drop in temperature led these people to move South to the Aegean shores, bringing their tales with them.

    It was talk of ‘Orcadian’ man that seemed to make this slightly relevant; there are underground villages in Orkney and Shetland, made of stone, which had running water systems, from earlier than 3000 years ago (I think). Nothing (last time I looked) seems to be known about who lived there. Felice’s theory, if proven, would start to draw this mysterious early Baltic and North Sea culture ( including Stonehenge possibly) into the historical picture.

  2. Yeah, I do not know what to say about that, LS. There is a lot of talk lately about Scandinavians and Iranians – Azerbaijanis being related. On some gene charts, they line right up. Now they have found artifacts that look the same from both regions. One theory is that the Iranian types got on boats and went up rivers to settle up in Scandinavia.

    There is a new group that moves into the region about 4000 years ago, and there are way too many blonde and blue eyed Azeris to make sense. There are also quite a few “Black Swedes” and no one knows where they came from. I dated one once. She could have been an Iranian.

    The WN’s who get all hung up on N Europeans versus S Europeans (As if this were the worst problem facing Whites these days!) are idiots. Real researchers, even the racists and Nazis, long noted that there was a lot of early movement between the two groups. Nordics themselves are part-Med, Meds having gone north at some point, and apparently vice versa.

    So many of these mysteries may never be solved since folks were not writing stuff down.

    I believe that the Orcadians may have been around even longer than 3000 yrs ago, but I may have to ask my brother. They were clearly one of the most advanced civilizations on Earth at the time in some ways anyway. My bro is taking a History of Britain course right now.

    He needs an antidote to the Anti-White Studies curriculum, which is what he calls the PC “multicultural” crap being shoved down his, and all beginning students’ throats. Anti-White Studies curricula is a requirement for graduation!

  3. Tad

    I’m thinking of taking that “multicultural” crap this summer along with sociology. Then all the WNs had better watch out. I’m new here. Does WN stand for “White nigger?”

  4. WN stands for White nationalist, but you can call them White niggers if you like. They really really love to be called that. LOL.

    • kwad

      did you eventually find that haplogroup E is asian the gene found in black people that means that blacks are not native in comparision to capoid and pygmy they are the only true africans. but the gene relocated to africa.

      • Your Scientifical Highness

        If funny you have deep socialpathic hate towards black you either asre aware or unaware of. Either way I direct reflection of your savage beast way of living. Reflection of how you are not fit to inhabitant the Earth to long. Reflection of your recessive genes and your need to mix with Original melanated ppl in order to survive. … The only TRUE RACE IS THE WHITE RACE, WHOM ARE IN A RACE WITH TIME…..THE BLACK MAN HAS BEEN HERE FOR MILLENNIA AND REMAIN HERE, EVERLASTINGLY. THE VISION IS SET. YOUR TIME IS AT HAND….YACUBS GRAFTED GERM.

        • Sharon

          As a black woman I would just like to ask you to chill out on the whole racial superiority thing. You’re just like them when you talk like that. We don’t need anymore hatred on either side. I think most people are looking for answers about where we came from to give us a better perspective about where we are headed. All races, ethnicities, tribes, etc. have contributed to the survival and advance of mankind. This world belongs to God and not any single race or group has ownership rights. We have a huge universe left to explore so we have to pull together to explore the rest of the world and every group has talents and skills they can contribute. Please put your anger aside and don’t be one of the hateful monster like those people on Stormfront. You lose your humanity when you choose to become like that and stop seeing people as how God chose to make them instead you will start seeing enemies everywhere. Hate is a cowardly trait caused by fear. Live a courageous life and don’t let fear overcome in your life. Read, study, improve yourself, pass on knowledge and positive experiences and you will have done a lot for mankind.

          “Who you are is God’s gift to you. Who you become is your gift to God”

        • EPGAH

          What about the savages’ deep sociopathic hate of their betters?

        • Keepingitreal1966

          @Sharon, I don’t think Your Scientifical Highness was trying to “flex” superiority muscles. Probably got passionate with his comment, but I clearly understand. As a Black woman, I am tired of witnessing our people feeling inferior. So if I could give them reasons to feel superior, even for a moment, I will. The bottom line is, unfortunately, Caucasians people are in the position to be racist because currently they have control of the “systems” in this world. They need to learn real facts about where they come from, which are caves and grafted by Yacob for a reason; and they are acted out like children…spoiled, rotten children by creating havoc on this planet. Our ancestors, Egyptians are the Mother and Father of civilization, masters of science, math, medicine, technology, air crafts, infrastructure to say the least. Build pyramids that can not be replicated to this day. White people stole our ancestors’ inventions and claimed it as their own. So people like you would say/think, “We all contributed to greatness in this world”…that’s BS. In the Black man/woman lowest point during slavery, we continued to build and invent things. We need to feel proud of those accomplishments, teach our children TRUTH. And it’s a great lesson for white people too because most of us we fed lies. That’s why Caucasian people feel superior and Black people feel inferior. Its time to break down the walls of lies, handle challenges with truth to set all of us feel. The Creator is not pleased. His Chosen people are ready to be submissive and not stiff-neck, hard headed as described in the bible. We have learned our lessons of worshipping idols and ready for the “New World Order”. These recessive people, Caucasian are destroying this planet. May they repent for their sins and the Creator have mercy on all of us.

        • EPGAH

          You are not spreading truth, you are LYING. You are accusing whites of being the destroyers, but we are the ones being destroyed. When you say no group has ownership rights, you say that so you can take what we built and destroy us if we get in the way.

          You did invent some things, but you keep claiming things you did NOT invent, which makes you look ridiculous when the TRUTH is about 5 seconds away on Google. You built, yes, but only under duress and direction. Without direction, your true form as arsonists comes out.
          We are not the spoiled rotten children, YOU ARE. You get our benefits, our food, our healthcare, the comfort of our invention, even the safety of our countries, then you turn on us, rape and kill us, destroy what we build, and whine that you don’t have nice things.
          Positive experience for you, fear for us.

          Hint : supremacism is about ruling over others, survivalism is about staying alive. If a group is worried about its disappearance due to mass-immigration and miscegenation, even outright violence, then they are survivalists and not supremacists. Falsely accusing them of supremacism raises the suspicion that you don’t want them to survive.

        • EPGAH

          What reason do you think you have to feel superior? You are stiff-necked, you are violent, you breed at our expense, you exist only at our suffering — and no, I don’t mean sufferance, your continued uncontrolled existence causes suffering to your hosts! Where do you get that you are Egyptian, much less that Egyptians are somehow related to the aircraft and modern infrastructure? This is another lie you attempt to pass off as truth, to puff yourselves up, only to deflate further and hurt even MORE when anyone exposes it as the LIE it is!

          Just be content with what your people DID invent, stop trying to claim things you DIDN’T!
          We did ALL contribute, your people contributed mostly muscle, our people were the brains, and that arrangement worked, now you want to be given the privilege of being equal to us without EARNING it!
          Stop breaking the laws, stop attacking our civilians and our police, stop whining or burning down cities when you get punished!

          We feel superior because we’ve EARNED it. At what point does it stop being arrogance and start being proud of what we’ve accomplished?
          90% of the inventions of the world come from America, NASA invented 3X as much as any country, INCLUDING the rest of the world.
          Our countries are safe and stable, yours are Hell once you overthrow AUTHORITY! You are stiff-necked, maybe you make the excuse you “have” to be in this world, but even God says to submit to authority.

        • Derek

          Hahaha so a friend of mine told me to come look at this conversation about blacks claiming that they invented everything , my response to this is how in the fuck did inferior people take over your by far superior civilizations , how did we remove that intelligence on top of it. The truth is you never had them no different than today , everything you have is a result of by far more superior races , whites being the most :). We must be some bad mother fucking cavemen to take out an advanced civilization of nig nogs with aircraft with just clubs 🙂

        • mike


          the oldest negro skeleton/mummy to date is 5,600 years old, the caucasian Hofmeyr cranium in south africa is 37,000 years old. there are numerous caucasian findings from 45 to 48 thousand years old, they is not evidence negroes existed before the warming of africa 7000 years ago, the “Bantu expansion”. “out of africa”, the diaspora, occurred during an ice age, those leaving were following receding glaciers and ice sheets. “African” and “negro are different, 1/3rd of africa, north africa, has always been predominately caucasian,

        • This is so interesting, with so much play on White Americans, Black Americans, both want the world to believe the other race is the lesser, the less dignified, the less intelligent.

          Holy mackerel, what a shock, the mighty white race do not even know where it came from!!! Low and behold, I pass as white but come from the American Indian also, which is neither black or white, but brown. Where did the brown race come from.

        • Human-oid

          EPGAH just go do your research. I found a video of the OLDEST skull/bones found which, in fact, when reconstructed, a WOMAN of color. You ppl in these comments are racist and it is sick!! So what if you’re black?? Embrace it, dude!! Don’t hate it. Btw, blacks pay taxes too so no, you don’t pay anyone’s way. America as a whole does you prick!!!!

    • TH Huxley

      Someone said: “the caucasian Hofmeyr cranium in south africa is 37,000 years old”

      But this skull is pretty much 50% in between caucasoid and negroid, according to actual studies.

      Racistards are gonna tard.

      • Bru

        If that skull is “50% Caucasoid” then that would make even the most prognathous persons anywhere in the world today or anytime having a 50% or more “Caucasoid” skull.

        • You do know that “prognathous” traits, while varying between races in degree, isn’t what determines what race it is.

          Did you even read the link or even aware of what structural differences separate different races?

        • Also, I believe you are thinking of prognathous standards of modern Europeans, NOT ones tens of thousands years in the past.

          “Its strongest morphometric affinities are with Upper Paleolithic (UP) Eurasians rather than recent, geographically proximate people. The Hofmeyr cranium is consistent with the hypothesis that UP Eurasians descended from a population that emigrated from sub- Saharan Africa in the Late Pleistocene.”

  5. Tad

    So anyway Robert, that was an impressive article you wrote on genetics. How long did it take you to write it? Do you take notes or do you just keep all that information in your mind?

  6. mathilda37

    The skin is way too dark. Any sane recon would have had him at a near Eastern tan colour, and red and fair hair variant also date to well prior to this age. Modern humans were out of Africa and in the near East for about 60k before they moved into Europe- there would be no reason to have such a melanin protected skin.

  7. Sleep

    I agree with Mathilda. You say early Caucasians looked like Arabs … that guy looks nothing like any Arabs I’ve ever met. I also doubt that skin color suddenly became uniformly light only 10,000 years ago in Europe, Asia, and the Americas.

  8. Lafayette Sennacherib

    That face they reconstructed – can they find evidence for skin pigmentation? I mean, there’s no particular reason for that guy looking negroid. No, it’s not an Arab face, but there are a lot of Scottish and Irish faces that have some resonance, a particular type of face. Those are the faces I know best of course; maybe it crops up in other nationalities too. The nose is too flat and wide, but the slightly Mongolian cheekbones and eyes crop up a lot. There’s a type of Irish face that has that flat wide nose too, but I’ve never seen it in combination with those cheekbones. Have a look at these pictures of boxer Barry McGuigan and try to imagine him without eyebrows or hair (easier in the later photos). Or Robert Carlyle, the psycho in Trainspotting – he’s sort of got that face too.

  9. Mort Goldman

    Interesting how both WNs and Afrocentrists want to see anyone who isn’t clearly white or East Asian as Negroid. This must say something…

  10. Yeah but what does it mean? They both want to see Blacks everywhere, even where they are not. This means…? They are both obsessed with Blacks. Yeah, that’s it.

  11. GenX in Oz

    M343 power!

    • What i would like to know is which whites were the inhabitants of sodom and gommorah. It’s obvious the whites were the same natives that occupied these cities and that the Jews knew who they were.

  12. GenX in Oz

    And on Australian Aborigines, us evil whites here have known for almost 100 years that they have recessive genes.
    It only takes two generations of breeding with whites to almost completely remove their distinct physical characteristics.
    I’m sure that was the goal of ‘the Stolen Generation’.
    After committing genocide on their people, legally hunting them until the 1950’s, trying to bred them out of existense they still have trouble assimulating.
    Even our HRC focus up until recently was on the 1950’s< immigration.
    Go figure.
    I used to visit with a Taiwanese spiritualist, who told me that every race has it’s own karmic bill to pay, maybe we’re paying ours now.

  13. Wow, pretty amazing comments, Gen X. It would be weird if the Stolen Generation thing was actually an officially approved Eugenics program.

  14. GenX in Oz

    ‘Us evil whites here have known for almost 100 years that they have recessive genes’.

    Typical to myself, I make a speculative comment, now I have to back it up (and quickly research my assertion, after the fact).
    I should qualify what I’ve said further by saying it’s a much debated and contentious ‘theory’.
    Known here as part of the ‘history wars’ .

    Thanks to good old Wikipedia on…
    the ‘Stolen Generations’

    Dr. Cecil Cook, perceived the continuing rise in numbers of “half-caste” children as a problem. His proposed solution was:
    “ Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white. ”
    Similarly, the Chief Protector of Aborigines in Western Australia, AO Neville, wrote in an article for The West Australian in 1930:
    “ Eliminate the full-blood and permit the white admixture to half-castes and eventually the race will become white. ”
    Or from a interesting document

    From this document….
    “The crossbreed. This type alone presents
    several different classes, each requiring
    special treatment—
    1. Those with a preponderance of
    aboriginal blood and entirely
    aboriginal in character and
    2. The cross with lower types of alien
    races such as Pacific Islanders,
    Malays, Africans.
    ;>. The European-aboriginal cross or
    those with higher Asiatic types.
    4. The quadroon and octoroon with
    preponderance of European
    I think it is generally recognized that the care
    of the aboriginal, no matter what the breed, is, to
    a large degree, a health problem.”

    Also …
    (I love those old textbook pictures).
    It seems the offical rational for removing the children was that it was “for their own protection”.
    It’s kind of confusing, there is talk in these old documents about wanting to perserve full bloodied Aborigines as they are more desirible than the various ‘half-castes’.
    But I believe that we weren’t stupid back then, and that we knew what we were doing.

    Anecdotally I’ve had friends myself who I’ve found out to have a full blood Aboriginal grandparent, but the friend themselves have vitually no visual sign of that ancestory at all.

    And I dated a girl whose background was Chinese/Aboriginal/Irish (a firey combination) and you could see the Chinese Irish elements in her quite clearly, but the Aboriginal I could only see in the shape of her forehead.

    And to be honest the genocide I was referring to in my prior post was more so about various shooting massacres that had occurred.

    I just thought you may have found the recessive gene observation interesting with your background.
    Though I do have some prejudices, being someone who frequents Amren.
    I do fear that by highlighting this issue I’m just adding more bricks to the already heavy ‘white guilt’ load. Though the perpetrators of our collective crimes are long gone.

    I sincerely feel nothing but sympathy for the Aborigines, as they are a broken people and it gives me no pleasure to see them on their knees (or with a bottle of meths in their hands).

    My mother shared a story with me about her travelling with my big, loud, brash African American (6’2, 300 pound ex USN Bosen) ex-stepfather. Who was on a train with my mother on a trip to Perth (Western Australia).
    Compared to (some) American’s, Australian’s are a quiet people who don’t like a scene.
    Aparentally my ex-stepfather walked through this train swearing loudly, greeting and complaining as he and my mother boarded. They found their seat across from a Aborigine father with his two children.
    My mother described the kids as having eyes and mouths wide open in shock and awe at seeing this very large, loud black man who was very happily throwing his weight around and letting his presence be known with no fear.
    Whilst at the same time their father, could only keep his head down and could not bare to look my stepfather in his face out of shame.
    That story though fairly eventless, for some reason haunts me. Maybe more so now that I am a father too.

    • curt

      I personally don’t care much about color or what cultural races accomplished whatever it was in the past or who’s running the show now..all human species/earth human species received support threw a greater intelligence regardless if it ufo, alien , God ,demonic or good ..This is a spiritual war played into reality but much more deeper then what we would imagine and we all need answers not opinions cause we deserve it.Honestly the last thing I want to hear is what race is better than the other or smarter or what’s better light or dark knowing there are beings from different planets who look more different than earth people(WHITE,BLACK,ASIAN,LATINO,INDIAN,ETC.) u people always brag regardless what culture..that’s problem one..Omg their winning as of this moment ..this whole world order system is manipulated and we are in the middle like sheep there playing use against each other this..this is part of the process ..their the masterminds not( man/human.).

  15. Katie

    perfect post,you timelined this beautifully,a coherant sweep of pre-history.

  16. Katie

    the m173 recon reminds me greatly of the skulls they found on crete and reconstructed,I believe the guy doing them called them ‘thugs’.

    here’s a female –

  17. Thank you very much, Katie. From what era is that Minoan reconstruction?

  18. Maira

    There are many problems with this reconstruction, which others have already pointed out—modern man was out of Africa for millenia before colonizing Europe. Moreover, since the first Europeans came directly from the Middle East/Central Asia—not Africa—then the reconstructions of Middle Easterners circa 35,000 ya must look like this one from Romania. If they do not, then some serious explaining is in order. Europeans and Middle Easterners share phenotypical (“Caucasoid”) features in common precisely because the first Europeans were Middle Easterners. But according to this Romanian reconstruction, we have to accept that Caucasian features only developed later in Europe and the Middle East AFTER they had already split off from one another. How is this possible? How can we believe that Caucasian features would develop separately in two different places? That’s quite a coincidence, particularly since it also begs the question of how the Indian subcontinent figures into all of this, for Indians are also phenotypically Caucasoid. What of them? So Caucasian features developed in Europe long after 35,000 years ago, but somehow the same recipe came about in the Middle East and India too? Finally, Europe was first colonized approx. 45,000 ya, and the idea that Europeans 35,000 would still be this dark-skinned is more than just imaginative—it’s absolutely ludicrous.

    • Sharon

      What you are missing is that there is no such thing as a Caucasoid phenotype. Africans have the widest genetic expression which is why they are the oldest group. There isn’t one specific phenotype that is solely African. There are Africans with flat nose and aquiline noses. Africans with epicanthic eye folds, blonde hair, blue eyes, all skull types. Those Africans that explored the world came from various parts of the continent bringing a wide range of phenotypes. There were no white people 7,000-10,000 years ago. There hasn’t been one skeleton found that was white skin and older than 6,0000 years. Not one. Haplogroups has nothing to do with skin complexion. By the time Alexander the Great was around Europe was still vastly blacks and mulattoes and a small groups of White people but mostly mulattoes.

      • Dave Mowers

        What you are missing is the ACTUAL HISTORY AND MYTHOLOGY.

        Read it; firsthand accounts of what happened and how negate any speculative anything in science.

  19. Gustav

    Maira, “Caucasian features” don’t exist how unity. It is the product of West european features, east european features and middle east features of neolithic migrations middle east=>europe. Ancient middle easterners came to Europe 55.000-20.000BP and that people mutated to two biotypes: “West europeans” and “east-europeans” (nothing similar with actual mixed types of this regions). The first middle easterners before mutations were similar to neolithic middle easterners and similar to the less mixeds of actual middle easterners. Examples:

    However we cant discard any pygmy migrations and mixture in Europe

  20. Mary

    Watch these videos to the end, you will see the similiarities!. These are Nuer and the Dinka tribes.

    • Do you mean the similarities to White people? Yes, I agree that they are similar to us, assuming that is what you mean.

      • coward

        It doesnt take that long for facial structures to evolve into something completely different. Cum to think of it, i know a couple of white kids at my school who look like some Thor motherfuckers, except with thinner heads and sharp, angular features. Looks can change pretty quick.

    • locoloco

      dude that is like so racist. i think us whites should be kinder to blacks kuz theyr not lab rats or something

    • NeanderthalMutant

      You’re the standard-issue piece of shit white nigger bitch who should kill yourself.

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  22. Aaron

    It’s a not a “he” if the sex hasn’t been determined yet. Yet the person who recreated this is decidedly pro-male. Yeah. I agree. If they can’t determine a sex, then they shouldn’t expect the world to take them seriously on a color either. I wanna know more about this person’s political beliefs, religious background and everything that may have influenced his/her worldview.

  23. Hey, there is this video on youtube that says North Europeans are formed from East Indians.. Basically, it says that Northern Europeans are East Indian albinos.

    Here is the video. Its very intriguing.. Is there any truth to it?

    • I do not agree with that theory. White skin, blue eyes, blond hair, etc., only goes back 10,000 years. Before that, Europeans looked like Arabs. The Proto Indo Europeans moved into Europe 8000 years ago, but their homeland was really in Southern Russia, not in India.

    • Taylor

      It doesn’t even matter where someone came from. Every race came from the same African woman. When her offspring split up to different parts of the world, the isolation changed their features. Humans adapt to surroundings. White people have jutting noses. Perhaps the ancestors in Europe had to develops a keener sense of smell; accentuating the nasal passages. Now do you see why its so unnecessary to argue whether or not whites came from Africa or India? When Indians came from Africa

    • lord

      Thats pretty neat.

    • boyer

      That’s a very interesting piece.. Learn new things everyday.

  24. Mizz_X

    Interesting post. And yeah in that first picture the guy really did look white. But um…I’m not trying to start anything but you guys shouldn’t be throwing the ‘nigger’ word around like that. It’s really offensive.

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  26. bob

    Cro-mags left art, some which shows a woman’s face. They were White.

  27. Baltic

    After reading Origin of the Races by Carlton S. Coon some years ago, I came to the conclusion that the “White” skin coloration trait was an adaptation to a crushing vitamin deficiency condition that forced the abandonment of all normal solar protective skin coloration to maximize photo-nutrition.

    I believe this was caused by an abundant cereal grain diet lacking in essential nutrition and the use of cold-climate clothing that shielded ninety percent of the body from the sun.

    Just below the Arctic Cereal Limit, there is a region consisting of Central Sweden, Central Norway, and Southern Finland often called ‘Blondland’ where this adaptation reaches its extreme. This area might be the wellspring of this racial characteristic.

    I believe any person of color who tries to live clothed like a ‘Blondlander’ on a primary diet of non-vitamin enriched cereal grain will be at risk of serious vitamin deficiency diseases — perhaps this is why Negro-slavery was confined to the South in the U.S.A.

    I have read that a person of dark color cannot generate as much vitamin D by exposing their whole body to the sun as a ‘Blondlander’ can with only their forehead exposed to sunlight.

    On the other hand, I also believe that any ‘Blondlander’ who tries to live like a native of the tropics will risk suffering severe solar radiation burns, long-term skin damage, and skin cancer. This is not a good prognosis for Tarzan.

    If this conjecture is correct, the ‘White’ race as we know it did not exist before the adoption of cereal grain agriculture in northern Europe.

    • Thx, this is really excellent information. White skin only goes back maybe 9000 YBP in Europe. Blond hair and blue eyes about the same.

    • Dave Mowers

      In the story of Zoroaster it is explained that the Aryans went underground to survive an Ice Age. After thousands of years of living that way you would get deficiencies causing light skin, hair loss, hair and eye color shift. In fact, a new eye surgery is available that cuts away the top layers of the iris to reveal the natural color of all eyes; blue.

      It is claimed that blue eyes are a result of lack of sun exposure as-in living in caves or underground for very long periods of time.

    • blast

      You really think “Negro-slavery was confined to the South in the USA”? LOL. Get the Google. NY kept census reports of slaves. Idiot.

  28. rahob

    ya i see what you mean,the pictures you posted could be for people have Ethiopian ancestry regard any expansion but i think their look happened to modified

    look at this picture

    any way this good reference which give idea of how some people see things

  29. Ponto

    Europeans are not derived from East Indians. It is more likely that East Indians are partly Caucasoid. Not the “Aryan” bull type Caucasoid but from normal Caucasoids that had dark hair and eyes with a olive or brown complexion. They are also part Australoid and part Mongoloid. In a sense they are triracial in origin.

    Your synoptis of the development of Caucasoids of Europe is satisfactory according to what most people believe, mostly putative and not based on real data. Paleolithic specimens of AMH are often exaggerately said to look like us i.e modern Europeans of the historic era. They didn’t and they don’t. Cro Magnons, at least the Old Man who had half his face eaten away in his lifetime by pathogenic fungus, had an elongated body like most desert dwelling sub Saharan Africans, oddly shaped hands and other odd features not found in Europeans. Facially the Old Man would have looked like a Pacific coast Amerindian. The head shape is unmatched by any European even Finns, the Old Man has an extremely long and large head, combined with a very small broad face. Finns look like what they are, a mix of NW European, East European and West Siberians like Mansi. The European predominates in Finns. They consequently have big heads and large cheekbones like Cro Magnon did in life, but they is where the resemblance finishes.

    I personally do not accept that any European is descended from any of the Paleolithic specimens. Europeans derive from the many migrants from the Middle East, and Central Asia from the Mesolithic period through to the Neolithic with minor additions from historically known peoples like Etruscans, Phoenicians, Moors, Jews and Gypsies.

    The so called exemplar of Whiteness, the blue eyes and blond hair, was most likely introduced into Europe by I.E speaking peoples in the Bronze Age, having developed the language and the phenotype in Asia about 10 kya among Caucasoids who were R1a, and R1b Y chromosome haplogroups. In Europe, blondness is not that old, and can be found in Asia among other descendants of those I.E speakers. Red hair is another matter, and it is usually found in higher percentages in the areas which were colonised by dark haired Caucasoids later in the Neolithic period. It is possible to find red haired people in more ethnic groups and races than blond hair and blue eyes. Green eyes are found in all races.

    So I consider Europeans to be the result of result immigration events to Europe, way after the LGM, and their ties to the Old Europeans of the Paleolithic to be specious. Putting flesh on those old fragments of bones from Romania is interesting, highly imaginative and fantastic, but has nothing to do with any living peoples let alone Europeans.

    • Xera

      What about the Aryanization of North India including Bangladesh, and the various Turkic, Iranian invasions in the same parts?

      • Xera

        Just to be more precise, Bengal is counted as East, however it went through it’s own Aryanization period and faced multiple invasions from Turkic/Indo-Aryan tribes due to the place being in similar latitudes to North Indian parts that were attracked, and its near the Himalayas.

        • Dave Mowers

          The Rig Veda describes Kurgans coming through India. Kurgans were from Turkey near the area of Lake Van. Lake Van is also where Norse peoples came from as the lake is named after their god, “Van,” who is the Phoenician, “Phanes,” the progenitor of the Vanir.

          Kurgans are modern-day Kurds in Northern Iraq. 100 years ago pictures show them as distinctly Caucasoid resembling British peoples today.

    • Dave Mowers

      Red hair is an exclusively Neanderthal trait. The word Russian is founded on the root word Rus meaning red as-in red-haired peoples. The Tribe of Dan is described as red-haired, Phoenicians were said to have red hair in Libya, red-haired Caucasian mummies have been found in China and the Canary Islands. African blacks that have red hair or any other race for that matter have it due to admixture with Neanderthal.

  30. Alex

    I found this article so much patronizing and very prejudicial. Being an ethnic Tutsi myself, I have no doubt that if we did mix with other blacks we would look the same but we kept originality. Whites have mixed and form now a homogeneous group but they don’t have the same genetic makeups. As a result they have reduced prejudice among themselves but have also lost some of their traditions and languages. Everyone loves to hear that they look beautiful n’est-ce pas WN’s? well done

  31. Shawn

    Look under the fur of a monkey with brown hair; the skin is white. When monkeys evolved and lost their hair, they moved out of Africa. It took a long time for the skin to turn black. The liberals who wrote the article betray themselves with their skin color speculation: there is no evidence to say the first European was black in coloration; if anything, he or she was White.

    • White skin only shows up 12,000 YBP in Europe. Before that, Europeans skin was brown.

      • kwad

        its still doesnt pass for black anyways the first humans are yellow skinned or copper brown with pepper corn hair it was very thick they were a separate race called capoid they hate black because the colonized africa and got abused by them. blacks are not native to africa there genes developed in asia so there relocated asians remember they are haplogroup E its ancesters D and C are asian and the pretty much nearly extinguish the true africans.

        • louis

          you sound like a total idiot. kwad. lmao. all these debates just prove we are all the same species who adapts to survive . We have many genes that aren’t even being used. Im pretty sure you can come up with different ways to separate siblings by genetic phenotypes and genotypes. We are all sisters and brothers . just quit the self righteous bull of wanting to feel special.

      • Dave Mowers

        Then explain the Caucasian girl’s bones found in a cave in Spain that also had Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA?

        Her bones are 400,000 years old.

      • Your Scientifical Highness

        That’s because the pale skin man didn’t exist or was made yet

      • Dave Mowers

        No offense Robert but fucking prove it. Give us scientific proof of what you are saying.

        • Everyone knows that white skin, blue and green eyes and blond and red hair only go back 9-11,000 YBP. All of those things started up in Finland ~10,000 YBP probably due to massive depigmentation, maybe in order to get more Vitamin D.

          It’s pretty uncontroversial. Go look it up.

    • L.A.M

      You lack even the basic understanding of evolution in the first place. They’re hair didn’t just fall out one day, it was gradual. As “apes” (not monkeys) lost their body hair, they’re skin had to get darker to compensate for the radiation. They’re hair didn’t just fall out an they left Africa. They had darker skin, and as the left Africa and migrated toward colder areas with less radiation, they’re skin got lighter. The way the Europid facial structure came to be took a lot of mixing with older groups. But the lack of pigmentation came with it. When have you seen a blonde or blue eyed ape recently… Or ever?

      • Well apes ARE monkeys, just not all monkeys are apes. Just like all white people are Caucasian but not all Caucasians are white. Just like all humans are apes but not all apes are human. I’m not responding to your statements just correcting you about the apes comment.

        And your question about a ape with blue eyes…
        Here ya go ( It’s an albino chimpanzee, looks pretty cool in my opinion)

        • Casper

          there is a difference between being racially white and being white because you are albino, google albino negro. Sadly many albino negroes get eaten in Africa, some Africans believe eating albinos gives them magic. White buffalos are sacred to the Lakota and other Indian tribes, albino buffalo are not.

        • Of course there’s a difference between being albino and being white. I was just talking about a blue eyed chimpanzee because it looks cool.

  32. Shawn

    Watch 40 seconds into it. The first Europeans were “lightly” pigmented. I give you the benefit of the doubt that your liberalism isn’t coloring your scientific views regarding this; but science agrees with conservatives on this one.

  33. White people surely like to speculate that they are so unique and original. Who cares about when the first humans arrived to Europe, it does not make my life longer nor gives me the key to heaven. I’m from Ethiopia and believe that Africans glibalised the world with humans and Europeans brought diseases, hatred, racism and destruction to this world. Well there you have something to speculate about. We Africans do not care of your pointless manipulation through history, we are superior than you thats why we don’t need to speculate nor manipulate. Useless genetic default that’s what you are.

    • Whitey

      Your people accomplished nothing except living in houses made out of cow shit and flys buzzing.around your faces oh and also coming up with the idea to rape babies to get rid of aids . Whites are the onl y race that evolved . We have Albert Einstein , newton Darwin etc . The only reason you blacks are even educated is because we educated you with knowledge our brothers passed down to each other for our people .your people lived thousands of years before we were even born and in all that time your biggest accomplishment was fire , peanut butter and the super soaker..look at black run countrys haite south Africa etc they are the poorest most third world countrys on this planet look at predominantly white countrys like Canada ,german ,USA 100 years ago there the most evolved and peaceful. Your people cant even live with each without fighting and killing each other .you don’t have to believe my views look at the whole world, that’s the proof and I will look in the history books there written by whites because your people didn’t have anything to put in them because they accomplished nothing not ever except putting hand and whining for a hand out because there to stupid to do anything for themselves let alone there own people.

      • L.A.M

        Hah! Redneck. You are obviously very ignorant, to African culture pre-slavery, and you own history. Pick up a history book, and you’ll find two world wars, with millions of deaths. And tons of genocides. Not that I hate White people just because people they shared skin color with, did a bunch of evil acts. But if you’re going to be ignorant and judge a whole group of people based on nothing but stereotypes, than you need to take a look at you own race. Not in a close minded way.

      • hebrew

        We created everything cause we were created first . Through lies and thievery, manipulation you have convinced the world that you are first or original and it’s not true . One small thing if Egypt is Africa who made what in it . Your white house was built by my African mason brothers off of African mason theories

        • mike

          my uneducated negro,, historical records of the building of the white house shows that 4 negro slaves were use to haul stone to the masons

      • Zanga

        Dumb stupid made up racist shit, superior one.

      • Human-oid

        From my understanding, Europeans lived like animals before the moors came and civilized them. And black ppl left their mark on my places around the world. And evidence of them being there is still present to this day. Check out this picture!! Hindu-Buddhist sculpture of early Souteast Asia.

    • WA

      I sure don’t like to associate with Black people like yourself who still can’t see all the filth come from you Black side.

    • Dave Mowers

      The first person ever to suggest humans came from Africa did so based on the continent’s shape appearing to be a human skull. Ever since, it has been taken as a fact that homo sapiens first appeared in Africa and every research team for hundreds of years now has focused solely on Africa yet now that people are looking on other continents and in Asia they are constantly finding older remains showing that, “Out of Africa” hypotheses is just that; an opinion.

      Across Europe they have found old buried forts with archaeological remains and wood dated 20-40,000 years old. Now explain to me how this hypothesis still stands?

      How can you even begin to claim humans came from Africa when the long-standing, well-written about, funerary policy of Aryans has always been to burn the bodies of the dead? Frequency of remains cannot prove anything when the Caucasian race practice cremation for as long as anyone has ever known.

      The Tsunami that hit Sumatra pulled back waves in India several miles and exposed ancient cities that have been under water for at least 8-10,000 years but the geologic history suggests even longer. How can Africans just be coming out of Africa and there are cities along the coast of India and Pakistan?

      • You know White people didn’t even exist 20k yrs ago? Fully “White” people didn’t exist 8 to 10 yrs ago
        You understand Out Africa verifies that humans left Africa 70k to 80k yrs ago?
        you realize Aryans originated in Anatolia (Turkey) not in Western Europe & their civilization dates to between 2000bc & 3000bc & didn’t envade/migrate into India until about 1500 to 2000 bc?
        you do know the history & world view you cling to is biased & outright false in most cases?
        do you even read the latest scientific research or do you just comfort your self by telling your self its all a liberal lie?

        • Dave Mowers

          “White people,” are Neanderthal because the gene that cause white skin and the deficiency are both found in Neanderthal. The only reason it has not been confirmed that Caucasians ARE Neanderthals is due to the fact that every DNA sample to date has been degraded but each sample that holds more DNA continues to give up more genes identical to those in Caucasians and Asians.

          Neanderthals were the first to inhabit Europe. Everywhere Neanderthals existed there were people who used the qualifier in their language of “Ru,” which is the root of the word “Red,” and Neanderthals have been proven to carry the gene that produces red hair and that gene comes from them. You may not want to believe it but half of the first Aryan tribe were redheads and Russia is literally home of the redheaded people and the highest concentration of Neanderthal relics found anywhere on earth is in Russia.

          Furthermore, Neanderthals are credited with big game hunting nomadic lifestyle whereas the word, “Europe,” literally translates into, “Foot-men,” or a synonym for Nomad. As long as anyone could remember it has been called Europe as far back as 500-900 B.C. Neanderthal created the first cave paintings, first use and invention of paint, stone tools, use of marijuana, fire, funerary rites, cremation(something credited to the(Et-RU-scans) burying of the dead, domestication of animals, forts, houses, urns, language, language structure, sea ports, stone making, quarrying, sailing etc.

          No one knows where the Aryans originated; no one. Yet we do have clues in the histories and mythologies from India, Mesopotamia and Greece which all point to the Caucasus which is why Caucasians and named such.

          A single article with a single hypothesis does not change the reality of all the existing work done on the subject.

        • I think your making huge leaps of logic in stating Neanderthal had seaports & domesticated animals & the such. Domesticated dogs genetically date back to about 15 k years ago. Neanderthal was extinct by this time. True all Humans outside of Africa posses Neanderthal dna but this is due to interbreeding with Neanderthal not evolving from him. The fact Eurasians evolved in Europe & Asia during ice age conditions account for similar traits because Neanderthal developed in icy cold dark ice age periods in Eurasia. This is an example of convergent evolution. Also Europe was named after a Greek myth of a Phoenician princes named Europa who Zues kidnapped & raped in the area now called Europe

          There may be alot of work that contains the viewpoint you hold but this doesn’t make it valid. These works you allude to must hold up to dna & language evidence & thus far dna & even linguistic studies point to Africa as modern humankind’s origin

    • EPGAH

      We ARE unique and original, for being able to control our impulses.

      As to manipulating history, YOU JUST CLAIMED that EUROPEANS are the ones bringing disease and destruction to this world, when any idiot can see that whites BUILD, savages DESTROY!
      Take Rhodesia, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Haiti, etc. They were good countries until the savages overthrew and destroyed them.
      And if YOU are superior and WE are the violent destructive ones, why are the savages pouring into European countries? Stay in the countries you’ve already overthrown and done a SUPERIOR job of fucking up!

      So what are you talking about OUR manipulation of history?

      • Switch Watcher

        Bingo and even if they’re right about whites stealing from them guess what bitches we made it better we made this country the best country the world has ever known sometimes with the help of the slaves they were enslaved by their own people probably because they didnt want to work just as most of them are now lazy SOB’s we’ll continue to educate and build ourselves while they continue to destroy each other,sell deadly drugs to their own and destroy their own neighborhoods and they wonder why they’ll always be poor stupid is as stupid does play stupid games win stupid prizes

  34. Abiezer Coppe

    A black racist! I’ve met your type before! Welcome to the blog and and try to work on your grammar and your spelling! Your last sentence does not contain a main verb and the use of the word default renders it meaningless. However, with a little help from us the Europeans you may improve over time. We’ll always help a black sister.

    • The Black racists come here all the time. I think a lot of them come from Abagond’s blog. Abagond is a Black racist, and almost all of his commenters are Black racists. One is a Filipino racist. A few are weird self-hating Whites. They all hate Whites, the Blacks, the Filipino and the White self-haters.

      This really is modern SWPL liberalism here in California. It’s such shit I can’t even put it into words.

      • LaFleur

        The Abagond/Restructure! people are too fucking funny. If it weren’t for white people, they wouldn’t know what to do with themselves.

        The thing is, it’s obvious from the fancy academic language they use that most of them have spent a lot of time in expensive schools. People like that Restructure! chick obviously come from privileged backgrounds and aren’t dumb, just laughably neurotic. They have a good deal of money and brains they could pool together to help their own people out. They could be building communities and structures of their own but can’t think of anything better to do than bitch about whitey on the internet.

        In contrast, I read some survivalist forums and there are people on extremely low incomes who are building communities and are at least shooting for self-sufficiency. They at least have a chance of making it should the system collapse. You don’t have to be rich, white, male or right wing to drop out of useless bourgeois society.

        • I made some comments on Abagond. Very very very bad idea. I tried hard to be nice, but pretty quickly I was attacked and then put on moderation. I didn’t even say anything all that radical either. I was criticizing an article by a White racist saying that Blacks were not human. You can’t do right by these people. Even when you agree with them, you’re not radical enough.

          The latest comment is by some insane White person who told me that biology is getting of the whole idea of species and subspecies, I guess because those words are RACIST or something. They are chucking them in favor of the cline approach to biological description.

          It’s not true at all. I read biological journals and papers all the time. Many deal with endangered species listings. The species and subspecies question is a huge deal in those listings, it’s what the listing is all about sort of. NO WAY has science chucked species and subspecies in favor of some weird spectrum continuum thingie.

    • Abecedarian Coach

      “A black racist! I’ve met your type before! Welcome to the blog and and try to work on your grammar and your spelling! Your last sentence does not contain a main verb and the use of the word default renders it meaningless. However, with a little help from us the Europeans you may improve over time. We’ll always help a black sister.”

      Ahh… A white racist! We ALL have met YOUR type before!

      Now permit me to help YOU genius. You should really work on YOUR grammar before criticizing anyone else’s.

      #1) You should have put “default” in quotations to better clarify your meaning and intent.

      #2) Also “…with a little help from us the Europeans you may improve over time.”

      should have been
      “…with a little help from us, the Europeans, you may improve over time.”

      Comma after US and after EUROPEANS to clarify that “the Europeans” is who you are referring to as “US”. LOL.

      People like you are just so very comical when they attempt to appear as intelligent in their condescension.

      So again, work on ‘your’ grammar and spelling sir, it needs work. However, with a little help from US, the negroes, YOU may improve over time. WE are here to help YOU Junior. LOL

  35. locoloco

    Now that’s what I’m talking about.Why do whites think that just because they brought reading, racism, rape, hatred, disease and atomic bombs to the world that they are the”lords of this world”. I am NOT racist and I have white friends but that superiority stuff is S***! By the way Abiezer Coppe, try some grammar in amharic or kinyarwanda and we’ll see how well you do!

  36. locoloco

    Now that’s what I’m talking about.Why do whites think that just because they brought reading, racism, rape, hatred, disease and atomic bombs to the world that they are the”lords of this world”? I am NOT racist and I have white friends but that superiority stuff is S***! By the way Abiezer Coppe, try some grammar in amharic or kinyarwanda and we’ll see how well you do!

  37. mallorca

    lol at that fool sayin cromagnon man looked like arabs..pathetic glory hunter the mohamed

  38. RussianHouse

    Relax, soon enough there will be no reason to fight about white paople at all. Today the correlation between white and the rest of the population is 1 to 7. We are getting extinct. By the way, we also carry 4.7% of Neardenthal’ genes that Africans do not have. I wonder what the earth would look like without whites… Songs, RAP and lots of dancing…

    • L.A.M

      First off, you do realize Hip Hop culture is not the only culture besides your culture right? Or did you not know that? Well honestly I feel bad for your poor parents, if you though Anglo African American was the only one beside Western culture. And if I’m not mistaken, every single culture has song and dance. Seriously, it’s not even the only Black culture. Granted, most of the other ones are extinct, because Black people weren’t allowed to have their own culture during slavery, but hey, they still exist. And honestly, you might have forgot about Arabs, East Asians, American Indians (who are about gone, but hey, they’re culture still exist). And just because White people are going to supposedly not exist, because everyone will be mixed, does not mean Western culture won’t exist. If everyone is mixed, they are probably still going to possess their ancestors (European) culture.

    • Dave Mowers

      What do African nations and Latin American countries look like without functioning governments?

      Yeah, that’s the future of the planet.

      • They would look like properly functioning well off peaceful countries without Western powers purposely sabotaging them in order to continue raping them of rescources
        Confessions of an economic hitman:

        • Hope

          Wrong! They will be like 3rd world countries! Stop blaming!

        • Please read a book on world economics. I’d suggest this one
          “Confessions of an Economic Hit man”

          It details how western powers send in agents to destabilize so called 3rd world countries and kept them in a perpetual state of poverty. If one is guilty should I not point the finger? Europe has simply done horrible things to other peoples(and to them selves) It would be comfortable for some to think they or their country is simply that much better but in the case of African and Latino countries the paper trail stops at current western powers-now stop catching feelings about historical truths…no ones actually blaming you personally(unless your some crooked world banker)

        • QofH3art$

          hmmm in a word, FREE. More words: breathing clean air, drinking clean water, levitating, time traveling, evolving, living in harmony with nature and not destroying the planet with toxic waste and frankenfood. Disease free and healthy; No cancer, no autism, no poison medications causing depression, bi-polar, no homelessness, no broken homes no broken families, no IRS, no corporate prisons, no genocide, no lies, no crooked judicial system and backward education system, no puritans, no vatican, no secret libraries no stolen legacies.
          The greedy destroyed paradise from those born into it to create industry to create wage slaves so only the few 1% can own paradise with all of its’ resources and riches and charge everyone else to visit on vacation and buy what was already theirs from the store so they can steal more land & resources to charge everybody born on the planet rent. That’s where all Indigenous People would be had you never existed.

        • Here’s another good book that talks about the American policy of ripping off third world nations in order to benefit US-based multi-national corporations. It is written by a man who at one time was the most highly decorated officer in US Marine Corps history, Maj. Gen Smedley Butler.

    • Dave Mowers

      Well white people created an oil industry in Nigeria and the indigenous peoples decided that it was unfair to have anyone but the people who were born in Nigeria get the money so they mass-murdered oil workers, burned down buildings, blew up oil pipelines, gang-raped women who disagreed with their tactics, killed people who earned royalties from oil claims or had jobs in the industry and effectively shut down all oil production until a new government came in and changed all the laws in favor of only black getting everything because they are black and live in Nigeria so everything is automatically their regardless of who spends money to develop it and now they produce nothing.

      So they went from poor with nothing to poor with nothing.

  39. The Negro is the most inept,incompetent and least accomplished of all human races.Without the scientific and entrepreneurial accomplishments of the White Race ,Humanity in general would still be living in caves.Whites are far superior to Blacks intellectually and to Mongoloids as well.This liberal muck raking,specious and malevolent,is trying to wreak havoc with the truth.O.K. You liberal fu”#s show me one shitskin country in Sub Saharan Africa that is self supporting and able to survive on it`s own without usurious Chinese manipulation or White liberal intervention.The Black “race” is beyond pathetic…in fact it has as much relevance as smeared donkey feces.The Negro is stupid,callous and superfluous and there is nothing you wigger white liberal fu”ks can say or do to alter that basic irrefutable truth.As far as you Black idiots are concerned…Kill yourselves because you are totally USELESS and redundant!



      • History Lover

        The ancient Egyptians were white. The earliest mummies had red and blonde hair. The earliest statues of the pharaohs have white features. There was a time when the Pharaohs became concerned with race mixing and would not allow the black Nubians to enter the city. Bound Semtic and Black prisoners were featured on King Tut’s footstool so that he could rest his feet on his foes. King Tut’s walking stick featured bound Semitic and Black prisoners decorating the curved end. His sandals have bound Black and Semitic prisoners inlaid into the soles: when the king walked in these shoes, he would crush the enemies of Egypt underfoot.

        The Aztecs and Olmecs both claim they were given knowledge by their white bearded god. Caucasian mummies were found in Peru. Peru has many pyramids. Caucasian mummies were also found in China. The are step pyramids near the city of Xian in Qui Chan province. These pyramids are without precedent in China but which were common to White civilizations. I don’t believe it would be any great stretch of the imagination to say that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was also built by caucasians.

        Here is a picture of King Tut’s sandals.

        You can also search and find pictures of his footstool and walking stick.

        • Nic

          let me tell u something….i’m a Tutsi and we dwelt in Egypt thousands of years before Assyrians took over..we moved south wards an Cush empire started we took over Egypt for some time.. but not for long and migrated southwards..ancient times…..when u didn’t have color….. u were considered an albino..not accepted by society and was throw into the European plate to go and wander in the north where it’s cold… and about development…people have always progressed more when they are together for thousands of years
          we have more defined features and not exagurated and we have more color..because we’ve lived in the tropics for a longer time…
          in other words ..every species living near the tropics is darker than the one living near the it plants..the have more chlorophyll and people can be evidenced by south Asian and south Americans..the animals …everything cause the sun hits the tropics at 90degrees throughout the year
          I laugh at how uninformed, uneducated and untraveled
          Just yesterday not even 400 years when some African Kings benefited from the business of selling there people..not Tutsi Kings participated in this kind of trade because they knew the power of human energy to a society..they never served they selfish interest like so African kings…u go to Africa…u’ll find dark Chinese ,Arabs,Caucasian,everything…that is where u come from my dear friend..fro now on be informed

        • Dave Mowers

          The reason the Aztecs were destroyed was because they believed in a prophecy left to them by their white god when he was forced out of the country claiming that in a certain number of years he would come back and on the same year Cortes landed, that was the year!

          The superstitious natives could not rally a unified front because the coincidence was so great and Cortes was Caucasian, was white, just like their god Quetzalcoatl.

        • Dave Mowers


    • lisa

      Wish I said it!

    • kwad

      i havent seen african cavemen. egypt began 31000 bc.caucasians haplogroup R began in asia at 34,000bc came to africa 27,000 bc. negroids are haplogroup E began in 55,000 bc in asia came to africa around 50,000bc or 45,000bc no caucasians where in africa at early dynastic period .blacks are afro-asiatic. no blonds existed no caucasians yet existed in europe in early dynastic period so no nordics or blonds. later ancient egyptians did get some caucasian blood but people from cameroon have the most caucasian dna in africa and are still black so white egypt is false. moors had Haplogroup E dna invaded spain mixed raced or if you follow one drop rule black leader reinterduced schools architecture hygiene science and maths bonus got rid of black death invented table manners and knife and fork. nearly most africans have caucasian in a small amount just as whites have a small amount of black. hence blacks and whites share similarity in civilazation wise. blacks and whites are therefore more genetically related than any other race. why africa is poor is stupid a question the answer is due to colonization by us whites africans forgot the traditions the colonials left civil wars began effects bad schooling bad way of life. for example congo had pre-colonial kongo kingdom its capital m’banza kongo or the city of loango look at its pictures of the painting of them by europeans it looked like europe in the middle ages and it was drawn in 1400’s in the middle ages. the songhai empire nigerian empire. the mali empire the richest in the world at its time. meroe in sudan and ancient eygpt noone yet can replicate the pyramids. now look at africa after its colonization its backwards. blacks have a reason to be angry they are like why wont europe leave us alone? answer is that africa would be the richest because of its resources gold, ivory mercury, phosphat, diamonds, precious rocks, and fruits. if africa equaled europe and america wouldnt the markets be in favour of the africans? europe need africa to be poor. in the 18th century lots of injustices falses theories bible twisting truths uneducated evolution theories Were all attacked on blacks.i and many future generations of whites find this suspicious. why they did everything so blacks could be slaves the needed all the reason. but it can all be proven wrong today. wake up people we are the human race i didnt state what whites contributed to humanity because its more acknowledged than what blacks did. we are the human race we accomplished what no other being did together. we look different because we adapted to our surroundings physically. why do people ignore this? I was a racist before i researched the truth about african in wikipedia and stopped listening to people that just hated black people for no reason.Another reason i stopped hating blacks was when i went to europe when i realized it was very rare to see black children (from africa) not doing a higher degree or getting higher grades than whites. then i read in the wikipedia about africans in usa and it said the same thing. then in british television boasting about two british twins just to find out they are black i went to ireland and irish thieves aim for blacks because they believe they have more money i realized that blacks in europe are different from american ones. i came to conclude why black africans and black europeans are smarter than black americans because euro and afro n’ blacks dont face systematic racial problems as blacks in usa.but then i wanted to know why black europeans in europe and black africans in usa are smarter than whites and asian and alot smarter than black americans. why? they came from poor backgrounds and their parents wanted them to be the best in class similar to what asian parents do. so people are smart because the ywant to get the best of things not because of race. blacks and whites are more related so theres no point in racism. i have black friends in college and their good friends. racism it has to end who agrees?

    • L.A.M

      Um… You do know that Africans build homes a lot right? They didn’t have homes like the Europeans, because they didn’t need shelter as much to protect themselves from the sun. You do realize that no Homo Sapiens were living in caves right? And that only Neanderthals (which Black people have little to no relation to) live in caves. Once again, to protect themselves from radiation. You do realize that Asiatic people, are like Anglo America’s main trading partner right? You do realize that we are all humans beings, and no one is genetically smarter than people because of skin color right? You do realize the reason why Sub-Saharan Africa is so down in the dumps, is a direct product of Slavery and Racism right? You do realize that the Middle East is also extremely down in the dumps right? And those people are supposedly White right? At least the ones you see now.

      Nah, of course you didn’t know any of that stuff. You’re completely dumb and insane. As are all of you White Supremacists.

    • mark

      Africa is a harsh place to live, much harder than Europe. Hard to be inventive when You are hunted my animals.

    • QofH3art$

      Eric, what are you, like 10? Your limited hillbilly education is showing, Jethro. Like, how many meds are you on? The only thing you are superior to is the monkey that you evolved from (and they may even surpass your kind in intelligence). Dude, everything you are, you stole from someone else now you blame the victim for your crimes against humanity. There must be some sort of script all of you read in your secret meetings (if you can even read), together and rehearse and about redundancy, do you even know what the word means? lol

    • We turn the clock back to 300 ad & the same could be said about your north western European ancestors -no Arab or Chinese tech no rise to power. How oxymoronic you make a callous,stupid & superfluous comment while calling an entire race callous,stupid & superfluous. your understanding of African accomplishments are thoroughly bent. I won’t waste time regurgitating facts that would render your point of view prejudicial & inaccurate being im sure the wall of confirmation bias id smack into would knock me unconscious

      • EPGAH

        Well, let’s look at now:
        Whites defending good countries from savages.

        Savages have had over 400 years to learn how to behave, or just steal our tech. What are they waiting for? Your permission?
        Even when they steal our WHOLE COUNTRIES, they’d rather murder those who know what they’re doing than LEARN from them!

      • Another William Playfair Web

        Hey, EPGAH;
        wanna learn the biography of Andrew Breitbart?
        Adopted by two Jewish parents and raised Jewish.
        Original was a liberal, working for Michael Dukakis, he switched affiliations/ party registrations because when watching the confirmation hearing of Clarence Thomas, he thought to himself ‘Liberals are the real racists’.

        A Jew coddling the non-white tokens of the GOP.
        If that’s cuck I don’t know what is;

        The average IQ of Breitbart readers is probably no more than 75. That’s why they don’t know, they can’t use google.

    • Zanga

      You are so irrelevant, that is why whites had to go around the world with weapons of mass destruction to steal other people stuff, you had nothing of your own, but barrened Europe, now you wnat to brag, and tell Africans we never had nothing, what did you have before stealing us, and our land, keeping us down, and too stupid to see it, because you wish to live and cover who the real no good asses are. Just fuck off lying in denial pig.

      • Switch Watcher

        Bingo and even if they’re right about whites stealing from them guess what bitches we made it better we made this country the best country the world has ever known sometimes with the help of the slaves they were enslaved by their own people probably because they didnt want to work just as most of them are now lazy SOB’s we’ll continue to educate and build ourselves while they continue to destroy each other,sell deadly drugs to their own and destroy their own neighborhoods and they wonder why they’ll always be poor stupid is as stupid does play stupid games win stupid prizes

        • Switch Watcher

          So you agree whites are much more smarter and stronger than you that we stole everything and invented a system that’ll hold you down forever because you’re too stupid to figure out a way to get out of poverty? Who helped free your ancestors? It was us whites you hate so much was it not? You wasn’t even smart enough to do that on your own you dumb asses would still be slaves if it wasn’t for my Irish ancestors dying in the civil war to free your ancestors. Your own ancestors kidnapped and sold you pick up a damn book you moron less than 2% of whites owned slaves blacks also owned slaves in America you better learn something dumb ass the first slave lawsuit in American history was by a black slave owner to keep his black slave forever bet you didn’t know that dumb mook if the white man is inferior to you what are you waiting on to come take it? Oh that’s right you animals are too busy killing each other 😂😂😂 then get mad when a cop shoots your animal asses and has to lock u up in cages you think rape and slavery was invented by the white man when your people were supposedly here first you are a complete moron don’t take credit for inventing everything then say the white man invented disease,slavery and rape every every black man I knew was a womanizer that’s how diseases started you animals just breed and run out on your responsibility that’s why 70% of African American families are fatherless because your race don’t give a fuck about each other that’s why you’re only 13% of the population yet commit 52% of the crime you’re all savages

  40. chelley01

    hey!! The only thing i don’t quite understand is how the hair changed over time from the original afro hair to the thin straight hair! Obviously african hair is much different than any other race so how or why has that evolved into more straight thin hair?

    • I do not know. No one knows what the hair of the original OOA folks looked like. That kinky or woolly hair is really only useful where it is extremely hot. Where it’s not very, very hot, it’s more or less useless. That hair just keeps you cool in hot weather. That is all it is good for.

    • Barney Stinson

      The ‘out of Africa’ fact states that the first humans came from east africa which as you know have caucasian facial features and most of east africans do have that thin hair (I’m originally from east africa and my hair is almost exactly like earopean hair, just a little bit thicker but still straight). So I suppose over time the hair probably thinned out due to the sun not being as harmful as it would be in africa.

  41. mulattoflavortime

    Looked like whites? The guy who wrote this must be stupid because they’re dark as hell. not only that but they all still got booga booga lips and tightly curled hair and etc. Looking at their skull they don’t look white at all.
    My only surprise is the fact that retards can post things on the internet.
    I know what White skulls/faces and Black skulls/faces look like because I’m mixed white/black and I grew up around both sides of my family for my entire life. This guy is a quack.

  42. I’m glad GOD, has no color, and man can’t get to HIM only by being born again in the spirit!!! God will be judging you by your deeds here on earth!! No matter what or who you are, God will have the final say! Not any man, woman, boy or girl! Your color won’t be a factor, the life you live, the service you give and if you choose Christ as you Lord and Savior. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord!! Now chew on that awhile and prepare to meet your maker! Heaven or Hell???

  43. huaxia

    well…. i thought that E is a brother clade of D…. they both descend from YAP…. the andamanese… Also are you sure that this is a picture of a man who carries marker R1-M173??? i pretty much doubt it. because as far as i know all modern humans (especially the out-of-africa ones) have some roots shared with the neanderterals… simply the picture you posted here do not correspond to this scientific fact.
    in fact, human are of mixed origin. (hybrids).

  44. Objectivity

    The furthest apart are Blacks and Aborigines. If anyone is evolutionarily on their way to becoming a separate species or subspecies, it is the Aborigines and the Papuans of New Guinea. The distance between them and Africans is greater than the distance between any two human groups.

    The CHRONOLOGICAL genetic distance between sub-saharoids and australoids is great but the FUNCTIONAL genetic distance is arguabley relatively small. Both are the only 2 groups to preserve the ancestral black phenotype of all humans, so perhaps they should both be considered separate branches of a single Negroid race.

    • kwad

      remember the gene for black people is i find hilarios haplogroup E is asian check on the wikipedia haplogroup E.

    • coward

      GEnetic distance is determined by the frequencies of functional alleles in two populations., not repeating sequence, that would be genetic DIFFERENCE. Aborigines dont have the same phenotype as blacks, their skulls, brains, and everything is different. And they arent the most genetically distant from us, Negritos are. Aborigines are 2nd or 3rd.

  45. jason

    Actually “out of Africa” is less believe able these days. Did you know king Tut was proven to be “white”? You’re an idiotic nigger lover. Whites and blacks are SO different its ridiculous. Only an idiot who lies to himself denies that.

    • All right, you’re banned, you racist asshole.

    • King Tut was NOT WHITE! The Caucasian race came from the original black man.

      • coward

        King tut was white, he has the R1b Atlantic Model Haplotype of western europeans.

        • Thats not true. The company that published the “white” Tut dna results didn’t even have a sample from Tut. They used a clip from a Discovery Channel documentary & filled in the missing info, stated they discovered Tut had dna incommon with 50 to 70% of north west Europeans (not even Mediterranean Europeans but NW Euros…riiiiiight smdh) then proceeded to bilk 1000’s of rubes out of even more 1000’s of $ because they hoped to find genetic links between them & Tut. That research has long been debunked. A company that actually used Tuts dna found that he was primarily African with some Eurasian dna. Just google Tut African dna or Tut familytree dna results

        • Oh the company with the true results is called DNATribes not Family Tree & the company with the debunked “white” Tut results is iGenea

    • L.A.M

      What is you actual point? So what if King Tut appears White to you? Even though he has a peanut head, which I only see on Black people, and he looks exactly like my aunt (who is Black like me). Seriously, she could claim to be a descendant of him or something. But even if you do consider him White, why does that make the Out of Africa theory any less credible? Tell me why please, because I fail to see the correlation, to someone born less than 2000 years B.C to an event that happened tens of thousands of year ago. Seriously, where’s the correlation?

  46. cm

    First of all, how do they get a skin color from a skull? Because even if you gave genetic similarities to someone it doesn’t mean you’d have the same skin color. Second, there was an article in the news recently that they’ve discovered that humanity actually originated in Asia. Which actually makes more sense since they’re always black skin revolved to suit environment.

  47. cm

    There was an article in the news recently that stated that humanity actually came from Asia, which would actually make more since if you consider that they’re always saying that black skin evolved as an adaptation.

  48. coward

    My grandpa was literally a nigger.

  49. coward

    The greatest part off the One Drop Rule is that I can say nigger. Nigger nigger nigger. I say that shit everyday like fucking crazy at my school. I dont say nigga i say nigger. All you pure blood whites must be frustrated to not be able to go on stage and scream NIGGER! like in the good ol days.

  50. coward

    Oh god this website is really bad for my GPA. I stay up till 2 or 3 reading old posts. This is WAY more addicting than coke or pot, or fried chicken and purple drank.

  51. satanists run the vatican

    “The Irish Book of Fenagh records the Basques settling in Ireland. The book also documents the descendants of Noah settling in the Basque region” Watch the video “eleanor of aquitaine was basque/catalan(origin of royalty)NOT french” The franks of old were racially basque/catalan.We are the merovingians/milesians but imposters who rule the world conceal this. The Book of Fenagh was completed at the monastery in 1516, and a copy is now kept at the Royal Irish Academy. Pass it on,please

  52. brinxster

    Multi-Regional Theory has replaced the “out of Africa theory” to a large degree. Meaning humans came from multiple evolving apes around the world. We have DNA evidence that Caucasians & Asians both share European Neanderthal DNA, unlike black Africans who do not have this DNA. It’s unknown right now if the Homoerectus of Asia mixed at all with modern humans, but it’s certainly a possibility. The African homosapien was only one source of evolved apes. Human beings today likely are comprised of all 3 humanoid groups.

    As for white supremacists, everything in the universe is related… why wouldn’t they be related to black people when they are related to the dirt they walk on and the stars in the sky?

    There is nothing in existence that you are not related to. Everything came from the Big Bang… if there was only one that is, there could be many out there in infinite space.

    • Matt

      Brinxster, you’re simply wrong. The Out of Africa theory is the only game in town now. Polygenism might come back at about the same time cosmologists take another look at geocentrism. The best they’ve got is Mungo Man 3, and even if valid, it merely proves that polygenism is possible in a limited sense, not widespread or probable.

      • Matt

        Yes, but all anatomically modern humans originated in Africa at about the same time. This includes Australoids. The Neanderthals, Denisovans, etc. originate from an earlier OOA scenario… But the idea of all anatomically modern humans originating from separate instances of descent from homo erectus, etc. is ridiculous. The populations that would emerge from these distinct instances would indeed be separate species or at least subspecies, and would probably not be able to have fertile offspring together.

        It boggles my mind that trained scientists of the last century or so could ever entertain this absurd scenario. They must have had an agenda like Carleton Coon or the Azn nationalists who insist on the Extra Special Snowflakeness of the Chinese people.

      • Steve

        @Cablasian its not necessarily that they want to prove it. They might just have scientific integrity and a commitment to the truth and think that is the truth. If you want to be a bit more cynical, their main concern might be to prove blacks as less intelligent and the genetic hierarchy where NE Asians are at the top supports that. Plus there is a smaller gap between Asians and whites and those white scientists are secure enough in light of western achievements to not mind the Asians being a bit more intelligent on average. People are quite comfortable to think of Asians as bright, its a common stereotype, plus we respect that and we can respect their countries and cultures.

        Besides, its not like all Asians are brighter than all whites. There’s a huge overlap. The average Asian is like a quite bright white person. Nothing too threatening about that, especially for high iq white person.

  53. Tophonk

    based on your picture Are they have doubble eyelid like asian too? lol

  54. Manny

    But the whites are pretty barbaric still.. They have not evolved to become vegetarians for like many Hindu Indians for e.g.

    • Manny

      You have to be pretty civilized to be a vegetarian. That is civilizational progress.

      I have lived in Western Africa and I have seen Gorilla Paws being sold in the grocery stores.

      Then you have the Asians who eat Dogs and Cats

      The you have the primitive Europeans of Denmark who beat and club seals and wales and eat them

      Pretty grotesque

      On the other hand you have Brahmins of India who are so civilizationally advanced that they were vegetarians for like 3000 years.. Amazing.

    • Manny

      Would white Europeans look down at Africans eating Gorilla paws? Would they look at them as inferior and or not evolved? What about Asians who eat dogs and cats and other stuff that crawls on the floor?

      So would not the vegatrian Brahmins look down at the whites as worse than untouchables at the meat eaters of the world.

      Actually they do.. Upper caste Brahmins of India actually put the whites in the same category as the outcastes for precisely the same reason.

      White are capable of extreme cruelty which actually speaks of their inferiority of their race. White travelling and ethnically cleansing locals and taking over their land is as superor as a thief who thinks he is very clever.


    • Manny

      The fact that white christian Germans can drink cocktail champagne listening to Wagner when there were 6 million dead bodies in their basement speaks well about the barbaric nature of the white Caucasian race. Mentally and emotionally how they are stunted.

      Most Africans and other aboriginals are much more sophisticated than the Caucasians in my book.

      • Manny

        This is one of the reason they are drawn to Yoga and Meditation etc….they are now becoming aware how inferior their christian influenced culture is and trying to evolve in their thoughts and spirituality and move away from their barbaric ways.


      • Manny

        Ah..BeatleJuice is Tamasha! Ha Ha!

      • Manny

        Yes..thanks to the Anti Hindu “Intellectuals” of India from West Bengal and JNU and Kerala and Delhi Univ and the congressie Nehru dynasty..they have managed to kill so many Indian children.

      • issac

        Every thing Manny says is automatically B.S. Now go shoot yourself in the fucking head you worthless currybreath piece of shit. You Indian males are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of male racial attractiveness…along with East Asians. Both you guys and East Asians have a 4 inch penis average…look it up faggot. You guys are so pathetic you are actually down there with Asians. Haha…..fucking turban-headed fucks.

      • Manny

        Most Asian women have small it fits snugly the small penis… however if a woman has a Barn door size vagina, then you need a big penis.

        Obviously someone hasn’t read the Kamastura..Its all explained in there.. In fact they even have an interesting topic on how a small penis can pleasure a woman with a barn door size vagina.

      • Manny


        Talking about small Penis. Thought this might interest you.

        A White Woman Explains Why She Prefers Black Men

      • issac

        Yeah MannY, that woman is an exception. There are even attractive white women with fetishes for Asian men! But those women are the exception, not the norm. Most white women want a white man, and black and Asian features such as flat noses and wide broad faces are unattractive to them. And most Asian women want white men as well, as do black women, although they will never admit it. A white women’s first choice is a white man, and then a black man, and then an Indian or East Asian man.

      • issac

        Asian women have sideways vaginas, not small vaginas. Even so, most Asian women desperately crave a white man.

      • Manny


        For your edification.

        ENJOY! 😛

      • issac

        Rare. Exception does not disprove the rule. Fact; Indians are the 2nd most disliked male race by women. East Asians are #1 most hated male race. Look it up man, there have been numerous studies done on this, and East Asians and Indians have small penises and extremely low amounts of testosterone. They are short, wimpy, and not all that attractive. Some women have a fetish for them, but some women have a fetish for dogs and horses as well.

      • issac

        Manny, from your writings, it seems you have not inherited the Indian IQ average of 82. Are you one of the Brahmins, Kshatiyra, or Vaish? You seem to be fairly educated for an Indian, seems you belong to the 4 Aryan castes.

    • WA

      I sure don’t feel like eating anything after seeing all the filth in big or little India. Some nasty Hindus that I know of are only vegetarian on a certain day. Furthermore, they are not vegan. For your information, in this day and age, it is the Whites that are promoting vegan.
      Hindus like many blacks/asians/non-whites are still very uncivilised, very primitive and very unreliable.

  55. Dora Diaspora

    Here is another theory that will just blow all the white peoples mind away. When you read the Bible in the very beginning, you read that God created first the world, and last of all He created Adam and Eve. We all know that God is perfect and all that He does is good. As Adam and Eve were created in God’s own image, just imagine the huge shock they will receive on judgement day when face with an African God? That is why I always say, you better be nice to people throughout your life and see every man and woman as your brother and sister. As you mistreat each other, you mistreat God. And finally the judgement day will come. Where do you want to be standing?

    • Manny

      The Babel is mythology dude.. There was no Jesus and no he did not come back.. thats for children. As thinking adults we all know this is bullshit.

      Christians have been lying and killing for Jesus for over 2000 years

      Anyway from Thomas Paine..the father of the American Revolution:


      “No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.

      It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.”

      • issac

        Dude can you please go troll somewhere else? No one wants you here, not one friggin person. You are the outcast, the one the owner of this blog keeps around for shits and giggles and nothing else. Why can’t you just kill yourself already….why can’t all 1 billion of you off yourself already boy? I blame the British for not ethnically cleansing you while they were in India.

      • Alan

        Paine is presuming that faith is an act essentially proportionate to natural evidence. But it is not: it is a mode of assenting to a reality that is disproportionate to the natural evidence, possible only because of a divine act. If God essentially transcends finite beings, then affirming any truth regarding the inner life of God will be possible only insofar as the created intellect is elevated by grace to affirm it, enabling the intellect to affirm a truth that it cannot reduce to natural first principles. Don’t know quite why this is a question in a conversation about ethnicity, but there it is anyway.

  56. Josh

    Tribes of dark people who moved into Europe would die
    of a condition known as Rickets. They simply cannot survive
    because the women cannot give birth with the condition.

    White nationalists knew this 10,000 years ago.

    Now if only the UN would recognize white natural Europeans as the indigenous people of Europe maybe we could get some parity.

  57. I knew it!
    We are all actually Angus. The discoloration on my coat is due to my ancestors getting high up there on the Alpine Glaciers.

  58. lord

    I am not sure why people are so hung up on race… Race is nothing…its all about culture.

    I can understand many Indians…Hindu in particular who are more ethnocentric not by race but by culture.

    Its understandable… how one behaves under certain circumstances always trumps race.

    Someone posted here.. Now I can’t recall who….about the German christians drinking cocktail while listening to Wagner when they had so many dead bodies under their basement is pretty low culture. The same as someone eating Gorilla Paws (Another statement made here).

    So the sense of superiority felt by upper class/caste Indians has some logic…. not that I totally agree. But its an interesting view.

  59. I must be honest with you my caucasoid brothers. I hate you with every atom of my body. If I could annihilate every caucasoid and mongoloid on earth in one night, I would do so without loss of sleep. I have come to the realization that there is no God and that there is no hope. The Pinks, Browns and The Yellows are superior……..and I hate you for it. You committed the world’s greatest atrocities and then were blessed with not having to pay. If there is some kind of Omnipotent being out there in the universe, it is evil and only loves you.

  60. Chris

    Caucasians didn’t directly come from Africa. The humanoids who left Africa around 100,000 years ago settled in Asia for about 70,000 years, they were only a small group, about 1,000… then grew and only 30,000 years ago people who left this group moved into Europe to become Caucasians and the people who stayed became modern day Asians.

    This is why there are over 4 billion Asians today as they’ve existed there for a very long time and only a little over 1 billion Caucasians. We’re the youngest race on Earth.

    If we came directly from Africans however, that means our ancestors would have had the same amount of time populate as Asians… so we likewise would be around 4 billion Caucasians today. But we’ve only had 30,000 years because we came from Asians… hence why Koreans, many Chinese and Japanese often look a little like Caucasians.

  61. roger Smith

    This all is pure bull by Lindsay. This is not really a serious research.
    Black people have FLAT noses and very curly hair, sticken out buttocks and froggy eyes. Very peculiar features not found in any other races.
    Even after mixing with other races through generations, their offspring still show those features. One example we can find is on the african americans who have mixed through generations with whites. The result is an offspring that keeps all the physical features of the black race, but with a sligthly fairer, freckled White skin.
    The White race have mostly aquiline noses, blonde hair and blue eyes. they didn’t take those features by being albinos.
    What a ridiculous assertion by taking the albino pigmentation as a basic research on the evolution of the White race.
    Lindsay, go and take a shower and clean your brain before you ever make some fallacious claims !

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  63. Im still digesting most of your article but I must say I am some what suprised to discover the caucasoid phenotype is so young not to mention the NE Asian Han Chinese phenotype.

  64. I have a blog addressing the Austroloid/Austronesian creators of the Shang dynasty who would be the early NE Asian type you allude to.
    Your research on the early inhabitants of NE Asia will help me to slightly retool & add to it.
    I am correct in assuming “haplotype” does not necessarily designate “phenotype”? Or is the consesus still out on this? You also seem to point out remains previously said to be Caucasoid are actually an Africoid type in flux or as you say proto Caucasian. It seems from your research the remains long regared as proto Mongoloid may be Africoids or Austroloids also. Is there no sure way of determining phenotype via dna?

    • Shang Dynasty types may have been Negritos.

      Proto-Mongoloids were Ainuids, Melanesians and Negritos, all Australoids.

      35,000 YBP, the very first Caucasoids do not look like much of anything else, but they probably looked more like African Bushmen or Khoisanids than anything else.

      Proto-Caucasoids in South India (Dravidians) or North Africa (Mozabites) look awful dark, and the Mozabites look very odd – a Caucasoid-African mix is what they resemble.

      DNA is no clue to phenotype. For phenotype, you need skulls.

  65. Obviously a extreme ploitical cllege academian politically correct liberal…with all his ‘smart ass’ comments…, we caucasians aren’t surprised………we know we evolved from apes, and then early primitive black africans…..all that does is reenforces what all ‘non-politically correct- non-bias scholars know, is that whites are evaolutionary more advanced than blacks….you basically support that argument………logic would indicate thos humans less academic & more physically endowed, would be closer in evolution to lower mammals. By the way, having common DNA means little, as we share about 99% with Chimpanzees..all that means is an amixture…but in true bias political correct college professors (remember those he can achieve do…the others teach)…they will twist the truth to achieve their bias outlooks, and try so hard ‘to rub it in the whites face’ childish & non-scientific

    • All right Mr. White racist, I am banning you.


    • and your comment isn’t childish and non scientific. Do you understand genetics? Do you understand nature would not make something that is inferior genetically dominant? Do you understand actual Caucasian and human history? the fact this fact disturbs you so much illustrates how ingrained racism is in our culture and society. This article simply states a simple fact. No one’s rubbing anything in anyone’s face. Its simple science and by the way chimps and humans share 98% dna and that whole 2 % points are huge. All Humans are 99.9% the same and 94% of that variation is between people from the same so called “race” and 6% is between the so called races ie: an West African has more in common genetically with a Western European than with a New Guinean although the African and New Guinean may look similar on the surface.

      You only feel something has been rubbed in your face because you fancy yourself inherently superior than other darker skinned peoples. Your superiority stops at economic and educational privileged access. We turn the clock back 2000 years and all your advanced civilizations are in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. And parts of Europe close to Africa and the middle east ie: Greece, Macedonia and Rome. This points to a sharing and exchange of ideas. If Europeans were inherently intellectually superior you’d be digging up 3k yr old pyramids in Berlin. Europe wouldn’t have had to wait for Chinese gun powder & compasses, Islamic alchemy, boat technology and mapping skills and East Indian Mathematics to rise to the power they are today. The dawn of civilization would be in north western Europe not in East Africa and South Asia

      • Thank you very much hucipher my good friend.

        • You are most definitely welcome Robert. One of the keys to ending racism is educating each other about the truth of each others history & cultures. This & the fact we all have the same great grand parents 500 generations or more ago hopefully will become common accepted knowledge. Keep up the great research.

      • Yet another libtard.

        Right, Europeans did not invent anything. They all got by negroids and mongoloids.

        Who invented computers, cars, aeroplanes?

        Race is more than skin colour.

        “West African has more in common genetically with a Western European

        Proof or GTFO. By West African, do you mean negroid (black) or Arabid (caucasoid)?

        “so called “race””

        Dog breeds are social construct. German Shepherd and Chihuahua are same.

        • Here we go with another smart idiot infering some who actually understands genetics, evolution & the human history is some how less intelligent because the truths are “uncomfortable” for them. You prove your idiocy by infering some how or some where I stated north western Europeans invented nothing-far from the truth their bloody brilliant inventors & innovaters but invented none of the rudiments of todays technology such as – that wheel racist like to brag about -not a European invention.
          Gun powder- no
          Advanced mathematics
          -no even the Greeks studied higher maths in Kemet then it diffussed through out Greco-Roman civilization while they apparently made innovations or used concepts like the arch more widely.
          North Western Europe didn’t get a higher mathematics until the Moorish conquest & their contact with Islam during the crusades
          Advance sails -no another islamic contribution
          The compass-no a Chinese contribution
          This is simply the truth not a derisive attack.

          Then you prove your a “conserver-tard” by asking if I mean negroes or Arabs when I say “West” African. ..ctfu ok let me breathe-im not even answering this one

          Then you compare human engineered dog breeds with homo sapiens sapiens
          Again proof you know little to nil about human evolution or genetics
          You blurt “Dog breeds are social contructs” like this tip of your rapier wit even challenges the belief that race is a social construction ? you gtfoh
          Im not arguing it is or is not anyway but the dog “breed” comparison is far from accurate-perhaps if humans had been genetically force breed by a guided hand for centuries this might be true but the fact the human brain is far more complex,containing an extra region for higher cognitive function which no mamal has-not our closest evolutionary cousins the Chimps or our best “Canidae” friends the dogs.

          Here is an interesting analysis of the “dog breed/human race comparison”

          It in part states the genetic variation of dogs is:
          ”  65.1% of genetic variance was within dog breeds, 31.1% between breeds, and 3.8% between breed groups (they defined 10 different groups:  Spaniels, Retrievers, etc.)”

          For humans:
          ” humans shows that approximately 85% of variance is between individuals, 5% is between populations in the same racial group, and 10% is interracial (btw, this number is also close to the updated Fst measurement of Xing et al.).  The average FST distance between human races is approximately 0.15.”

          So we see in humans higher amounts of variation between individuals in the same group & far less between the so called races of man thus you have a Nigerian potentialy genetically closer to an Englishmen than a Khoisan tribesmen in South Africa

          The dog breed comparison is ill fitted for human population variation

          Before you attempt to insult some ones intelligence do some actual study of actual facts

          You want more proof that a West African has more in common with a Northwest European than he/she does than say an Aboriginal or other dark skinned people you like to think your more evolutionary advanced than then simply google it & “study” truth not what comforts your racistly miseducated cultural view.

          I usually don’t rake “conserver-tards” over coals like this but im just not in the mood to have those of clearly lesser understanding than me attack my intellect today

      • Fiona

        “If Europeans were inherently intellectually superior you’d be digging up 3k yr old pyramids in Berlin”
        Well, there is Newgrange in Ireland plus the dolmens and then of course the British Isles have numerous stone circles. I’m not getting into any childish *superiority* arguments here…just thought I’d contribute this information.

        • True their are some old artifacts but im actually talking about complex stone structures not mound Pyrimids that can be found in China, North America & elsewhere. In fact the oldest astronomically orientated monolithic structure is found in Napata-an area south of Nubia. Its far older than any Egyptian Pyrimid but i dont include it because just as the structures you mention they are not true Pyrimids. The stone astronomically aligned stone circles found in south Africa (so called adams calanders) are estimated to be at least 25k yrs old but again not pyramids. Im not actually pointing out an “im superior to you” argument by alluding to these archeological facts. I am defending the intellectuallb prowess of my ethnic group & challenging the assumption Europeans are innately intellectually superior by pointing these things out. I for one fully understand that if you place baby Einstein in a war torn urban gang turf he wont become a brilliant physicist but more than likely a brilliant Myers Lansky type gangster. This is simply the gist of my argument. Heridity plays a part in all things but i feel environment is the decisive molder of intelligence, culture & cognition. This is why im smarter than Justin Beiber but he dances & sings circles around me. According to genetic heratibility proponents this is an oxymoron. According to those of us with common sence this is a logical development of an orginism raised in a specific environment

    • louis

      you dont read much do you.lmao

  66. al

    Robert, much of what you say and how you say it is flat wrong.

    1. The Africans in your photos above do not have Caucasian features. Rather, Caucasians have the features of those particular type of Africans.

    2. You say that the first Caucasians looked like Arabs. WRONG. What we think of as Arab today are really a “mulattoe” people. Originally Black and later whites/Turks-Asiatic intermixing. True Arabs – like the type seen in Yemen for example or in South Saudi or “Marsh Arabs” in Iraq are BLACK. – and often indistinguishable from many African populations.

    3. You believe that Whites “became” white from blacks. Wrong. White in animals is always a form of albinism (of which there are 4 different forms). Albino gorilla has pink skin and light eyes, albinos chimp has pink skin and light eyes, albino mice (lab mice) have pin skin and red eyes, etc……the original animals being dark/black. Thus, Whites are a variant of albino Black. You can’t provide proof of any intermediate stage of skin color, hair color, etc which would prove your theory. (the Ice Age vitamin D theory has been debunked and doesn’t make any logical sense).

    To see what whites are think: Dravidian “Black” Indian afflicted with albinism. Apparently a group of such people formed their own group, broke off and started intermarrying among themselves only. This took place somewhere in Northern India/ Middle Asia. This is where whites are from.

    see – – for a decent breakdown.

  67. la

    “No you are wrong. 13,000 YBP, Europeans looked like Arabs genetically and phenotypically. True Arabs of course are not Black people. European Whites did not come from albinism. That theory is just wrong.”

    Proofs ????

    The original inhabitants of the Arabian Penninsula were Black because they came directly from East Africa both from the North through the Levant/Gaza and the South – Across the Red Sea where narrow – (Somalia,Ethiopia, etc).

    Thus, the first Arabians were Black. They have never disappeared and are still there. See Yemen. The brown/tawny/yellow Arabs of which were are familiar by the media – are a mixture of the original inhabitants and later Caucasian tribes/Turks. But the Black ones have always been there (and coincidentally never/rarely shown in the media. See Libya for example. Quadaffi and his Sons are “mixed” Arabs. A base Black African Ancestry mixed with “white/whiter” infusions.

    Recent testing shows that Indians are Caucasian. (you discuss this). This is a Eurocentric view of things. The better way to phrase it is that Caucasians are a type of Indian. This is more accurate since Whites are the youngest of the races/groups. The first Indians are the extremely black Dravidians. Thus if Caucasians come from Indians – the only difference is that of pigmentation and melanin. In fact, Albino Dravidians and Pakistanis are indistinguishable from “White” people.

    In the animal kingdom, Nature appears to prefer dark (UV protection and better to hide and hunt) and lack of color is ALWAYS a form of Albinism or dergrees of Albinism.There are at least 4 forms of it – not only the customary one we see in media.

    (think: white lions, white mice, white alligators, white snakes, white chimps, gorillas – forms of albinism.)

    (ps: please don’t ban- I am not hostile – just overly eager some times
    I have proofs for my viewpoint, but you don’t provide proof for yours)

    • Everyone was Black at first. Big deal. The Arabs stopped being Black a long time ago. Ancient Caucasoids arose in the Middle East region (Red Sea) 42,000 years ago. In the last 15,000 years at least, Arabia was all Caucasoid. The Blacks in Yemen and the Gulf were imported only recently, mostly as slaves. The Yemen Blacks came across recently in boats.

      Indians are Caucasoid on skulls and on some genetic tests.

      There is no evidence whatsoever that Caucasoids arose due to albinism.

      • Dave Mowers

        There is also no proof whatsoever that Homo Sapiens exterminated Neanderthals, that Homo Sapiens were smarter, larger, more numerous or propitious in propagation or that Caucasians are not Neanderthals which throws the entire time line of Homo Sapiens into disarray in a field they are now calling the Leaky Hypothesis.

        You also cannot account for Denisovan one version of which has been sequenced and is now touted as the progenitor of both Homo Sapiens and Neanderthal. If evolution is real then evolution itself accounts for any changes found over time in skull forms and bone density.

      • QofH3art$

        I can see it clearly…Albanism as one of the possibilities of the origins of a people who attempt to invade everything and everywhere, and eliminate everyone but themselves from the face of the planet, whose culture is a mixture (hijacked) of everyone else’s culture, and nowhere on earth were they the first people to set foot on any land. All lands were already occupied by dark people by the time they arrive..which is why there are so many ‘ologies’ to try and explain their origin. Climate is surely a reason for pale skin which blisters in the sun, can’t stand heat and a nose thinned out to attempt to warm air to make it breathable (?sp). Pale eyes (which are a mutation) have difficulty in the sun and with bright colors..similar to snow blindness..right?
        Black people are the indigenous population everywhere on Earth..its the colonizers that try to say a Samoan is not African and an Olmec is not a Mayan’s parent, or in Papua New Guinea those people aren’t the same as slaves brought to the Americas. That is the illusion of ‘race’. Even though the history books tell you that the ‘discoverer’ of a foreign land was the 1st one there…9 times out of 10, there were already people there that didn’t come over on slave ships, but they looked the same as the slave with small variations due to climate and miscegenation. Whole populations of people were erased to create the illusion of ‘discovery’ and mask the horrors and atrocities of thieves, murderers and rapists.
        Someone asked about hair:
        Hair went from just covering the head in tight coils to long and straight to cover the body in damp forest-y and cold icy climates.
        Our Kinky hair is no longer utilitarian it is the most creative crown which has influenced hair fashion all over the world. Pre-colonial Africans always adorned their hair to the fascination of visitors from foreign lands who still to this day attempt to copy.
        Telling the truth can be so liberating for everyone, why is it such a difficult task?

        • EPGAH

          Why do savages constantly rewrite their history to make themselves look less loserly, and to make the whites look like savages, or thieves or rapists or whatever?
          You want to tell me that savages who never even invented the WHEEL could somehow develop seaworthy vessles and spread across the whole world?

          Or that we’re “inferior” because we are only 9% of the world’s population?
          As the minority of the world’s population, shouldn’t we be the beneficiaries of Welfare, Affirmative Action, etc.? Instead it seems to always be the “evil” whites who are tapped for resources, energy, MONEY, and skills to keep the savages alive–even as they try to wipe us out of one country after another!

          Yet who makes the best countries? Do savages try to pour into the Civilized World and ruin OUR countries, or do whites pour into savages’ countries and make them better?
          How many white countries have been overthrown by savages making themselves “at home” in their betters’ countries, by murdering their hosts. What do you think happened to the women once savages slaughtered the men?
          Tell me about Haiti, South Africa, Rhodesia, Kenya, Zaire, etc.
          Somehow you feel comfortable lecturing US about OUR atrocities, but if WE tell YOU about YOURS, that’s racist, right?

          TLDR: YOU are the savages, stop trying to make US look as bad as YOU because we kill a few of the things that kill us–but have to subsidize our own invasion!

  68. sara

    Arabs are the earliest Caucasian, North middle eastern Arabs (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine) are fair skin and blonde hair with blue or green eyes, Arabs in south middle east look tanned skin with hazel eyes oe brown, hair brown or black.

  69. Omega

    It has been proven thru DNA that all races other than Africans are mixed with Neanderthal. And that skin color adaption for better vitamin D production in low sunlight contitions was taken from the Neanderthal via interspecies mating and that hair type genes came along for the ride (real or full reason not yet know). This is the reason why the biological & anthropological books are being rewritten so that the Neanderthal is now to be viewed as a better looking more intelligent human cousin and not the sub human creature we were taught! Makes you wonder if the Neanderthal would of gotten a makeover if his genes were found in the Negroid race alone and not the others!?!? The exact opposite!

    • Dave Mowers

      In GMO experiments a single gene has been known to alter an entire organism. A single gene.

  70. junebug

    It is just my honest opinion that
    & I’m just being honest here people.
    The Caucasian race resembles a cancerous plague that has infected the planet.
    The have festered on the European continent perfecting the art of war on each other & then set out across the waters to infect other cultures.y
    By invading & killing healthy cultures
    & replacing with mutated sick non pure people.
    In all of trans continental travel never have African history have such a conquest of worlds have been done …
    From what i have learned is yes you are a evil race & the European European union Must be destroyed!!!

    • Tchortik

      Erm , right…okay.
      So if there were no Europeans in existence then the people of Asia, Africa, South America and Australia would have been and would still be all lovey-dovey, peaceful, touchy-feely folks, never tw*tting eachother senseless; murdering; enslaving; invading; having their wee skirmishes and so on… right?
      Thought so 🙂
      I for one am very happy that Europeans exist as I love music that uses synthesisers (Kraftwerk, electro, etc…there would be no House music without the humble European synthesiser 🙂 ; hot and cold running water in the house: ballet; classical music; radio; telephones; homoeopathy; functioning infrastructures; rights for women, gays, etc; air travel; the list goes on.
      I wouldn’t say that Europeans are “an evil race” as that is a very bigoted and racist assertion. However, you are entitled to your beliefs, erroneous as they may be.

      • Your Scientifical Highness

        Keep it Simple

        The Caucasian gene is a MADE Phenotype
        Grafted out of the ORIGINAL MAN, THE BLAC MAN OF AFRICAN

        Most carry the Rh Negative phenotype, spliced out of the neanderthal and manifested out cro-magnon and homo Sapien..

        Peace, Love, Truth, Light

    • EPGAH

      We’re not an evil race, we’re the peacemakers of the world.
      The only wars we’ve had are when others try to take what we built.

      What do you consider a “healthy” culture? The savages that breed every time they come into rut, then invade white countries when they FEEL whites aren’t giving them a big enough vig of our success, our food, our money.

      As to being destroyed, the savages nearly wiped each other out UNTIL whites came down and enforced peace. From the Shaka Zulu Genocide to the Rwandan Genocide, savages did a great job wiping each other out when whites were NOT there to referee, to keep them apart.

      As to sick&not pure, what do you call the Virgin Cleansing Myth? Raping a virgin to “cure” yourself of whatever ails you?

      If Europeans are an “evil race”, why do you use everything we invented, from the wheel to the Internet? Stay away from us! Stay out of our countries, our cities, our neighborhoods. Stop murdering us and stealing everything we built. Stop whining “racism” when we have to protect ourselves from your violence–sorry, “poor impulse control”

  71. jdot

    Robert Lindsey, hmmm the name sounded very familiar then I realized I had read another article by you. The first one I ever read by you was about what its like to be a ‘genius’. I had recently taken an IQ test and decided to look up writers who are in my same IQ range and of course found you. And upon looking through my browsing history, I’ve found I’ve actually read quite a few of your articles. Anyways I thought that was strange because it seems like I often find myself on your site when Google searching things that pop into my mind. Maybe 147’s give off some kind of vibe? Lol anyways keep up the great work. I always enjoy reading your insights, sir.

    • Always nice to meet a fellow genius LOL. Glad you love the site. Stick around if you wish. The comments sections are great.

      and if you think this website is valuable to you, please consider a <a href=”>contribution to support the continuation of the site. Donations are the only thing that keep the site operating.

  72. Dave Mowers

    Why could the truth not be that Neanderthal evolved from inter-special contact with homo sapiens becoming a hybrid which over time became more homo sapien than Neanderthal which would explain the extinction of Neanderthal by absorption into homo sapien and also account for the massive Neanderthal finds in Europe thereby proving the ancient belief that Caucasians were a separate race from all others while explaining why Caucasians were so much more advanced than other races and came to dominate so much of ancient history and the world?

    In genetic modification experiments a single gene, the equivalent of one percent of the total, can completely alter a species over time by setting off change reactions that accumulate turning it into something other than what it was entirely. If we believe in evolution and we have genetic science that proves this is possible then it must stand that it is possible that Caucasians are in fact Neanderthal.

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  74. Dan Bronson

    Could someone please tell me… when are the nasty niggers in Detroit going to “evolve” into good white people?

    • Sam

      When White Women in the US parade large penises in festivals through the town like they do in Japan.

  75. Your Scientifical Highness

    Its funny pale skin Caucasoid ppl think there Natural to this Earth lol .
    No Valor, No Honour in who you are…Nothing but lies and treachery lol

    • EPGAH

      Lies&treachery, huh? Is that like when savages invade white countries claiming loudly to be “Only There To Work”, then demand rights “equal” to their betters, then ultimately overthrow the country in an orgy of violence and theft?

  76. I have been described on those columns as a ‘nutty nordicist’. I have good news. Since those halcyon days, I have become even nuttier, and may now be safely described as a ‘nutty ATLANTEAN nordicist.’
    How I came to this state, is in itself quite interesting( at least to me).Learning to fly( in an aircraft) started the ball rolling.That led to navigation and an interest in the mixture-maxture, a veritable dog’s breakfast, of units of measurement…….. feet, metres, litres, gallons (imperial). gallons (US),miles (statute), miles (nautical), kilometres.
    The metric system is easy. Everything about it has has been recorded from its inception.
    But the rest…well, the plot thickens for a while, but the fog clears on the discovery that the multude of old units are in simple ratio to each other, all based around the humble inch and all relate to geodesy( earth measurement) and astronomical phenomena.

    What has this to do with the origin of Caucasians?( why are they called Caucasians?)
    Well, this. There is no sign of evolution or development of this system of measures… failed experiments….It just arrives out of the blue….360 degrees in the circle, 24hrs a day, each of sixty mins and each min of 60 secs……. like domestication of animals, agriculture and even ‘civilisation’. It all started so rapidly……. too rapidly, to have evolved.
    Somebody, somewhere, sometime had a blueprint in their head. Everything points to the existence of a previous civilisation…..and a maritime one at that.Why the obsession with the size and shape of the earth and units based on those phenomena, when they would be of little use, other than passing interest, to land-based, hunting ,nomadic societies?….but they would be of vital importance to a maritime trading civilisation…like one based on Atlantis.

    So did Atlantis exist? Maybe. Visit the excellent website…”In Quest of Atlantis”, byAmerican historian, Cedric Leonard. He has collected all the evidence and lays it before you, for you to decide for yourself… a respected and trustworthy, honest academic should do.

    Given there was an Atlantis , my theory goes like this.
    Albinism, a mutation, occurs spontaneously in black tribes. See them on you tube.Those freaks of nature( they look very like me, often red haired and freckled) are either killed or shunned by blacks and ‘outlawed’. They band together and form groups that just survive by using their wits and quitting the jungle where they are at a terrific disadvantage. But put them in boats where they can reach the safety of islands and ally them with dog and wolf packs and the picture changes. They can now survive provided the black man can’t get them. They even escape Africa, out to Atlantis, by island-hopping along the chain of islands that existed then. The cooler temperate climate with its lower light intensity suits them and unmolested and safe , they begin to adapt and thrive, and develop technologies associated with the interesting products of vulcanism. Far from eschewing those dangerous displays of the power of nature, they actively seek them out, for although there are risks involved, the benefits are greater, in the way of novel materials and markedly greater fertility of soil, whether cultivated or not.
    So much of the history and settlement of Europe by white , evolved and adapted Cro-magnon man , exercising his ‘ manifest destiny’….the conquest and enslavement of Europe’s indigenous neanderthals, becomes clearer…….and that migration came from the WEST. Not the East.
    Rubbish , you say, or words to that effect. Well you explain to me the paintings in the French caves, all in the WEST of France….the stone circles all up and down the WESTERN seaboard of Europe. How else is a civilised man to tell the time and run a calendar when he arrives cold and hungry, after a long sea-voyage, with only the clothes on his back and few tools?
    Then there are questions over the origins of the Picts and the Basques, a sea- going people who were making trips to the Newfoundland Grand Banks long before Columbus.

    From this, you guess that I am a white supremacist. That’s true to some extent. I don’t think it is entirely healthy to be a white inferioricist, or even a white sameicist. Nature is cruel. Give up on pride in yourself and you’re going to go the way of the Dodo. What if other races don’t harbour the same altruistic feelings as you tremendously-nice, ever-so civilised whiteys do?
    Did you know that only some five hundred years ago, all the whites in the world were to be found crammed into the western scrag end of Europe and north west Russia, under repeated assault from the rapid-breeding, neanderthal- mongrel middle east and the mongoloid nomadic hordes from the Asian Steppes? Not much talk about ‘white supremacy’ in those days.
    No USA, Canada or Australia in those days.
    Once again boats and ships were the hallmark and saviour of the white race.
    The British Isles were to become the home of Atlantis II.

    I enjoyed writing that. It makes me feel so much better about myself, now that there is a good chance that great-grand-dad, times 100, wasn’t a black that ventured into Europe, but was more likely a white, albinist mutant that was expelled from Africa by black Africans, and sailed the ocean blue to found Atlantis, the precursor to Babylon and Egypt.
    I just hope, that with time, this conjecture proves to be true.

    • Dave Mowers

      You simply cannot use the Albino gene hypothesis because Caucasians and Neanderthal both invaded Africa and their genes are found in north Africans(Neanderthal) and a large portion of the African population for Caucasoid genetics but given the fact that for thousands of years white people have occupied Africa there is obviously thousands of years of admixture to account for the Albino gene.

      Picts, Phoenicians, Minoans and Early Egyptians along with all Sumerians were Caucasians and it have been proven by DNA not to even mention their own artwork and statements about their color and origins.

      • “You simply cannot use the Albino gene hypothesis ”

        I think I can. There it is before you. It happens…and quite frequently. The only imponderables are…1)Does it happen often enough so that a band or clan might survive? and 2) What are the chances that they might have the brains to use water and islands for protection?..and recruit the use of the canine race as effective ears and noses as sentinels?
        Quite high, I would have thought, given enough time. Remember too that those proto white albinists would be very familiar with the ways of the blackman. They would have to look to their wits, and their wits only. Only the artful and ‘witty’ would survive.
        Any direct physical confrontation, with primitive weaponry, against the blacks was out of the question. The only possible realistic survival strategy would have been to run and hide.

        Think too on ‘white’ genes. They are all recessive ie inferior, to black ones. Why would that not be so unless albinism was a freak of nature, where by chance, multiple recessive genes have been brought together?
        Take the phenomenon of the white blackbird, or even partially white. It gets hunted down and persecuted as though it were an affront to nature.
        My theory and instinct says……but given enough mutants, they would band together, hold territory, and God willing , would mate and produce offspring……… in their own image.

        • Dave Mowers

          The gene is only recessive because it is caused by a vitamin deficiency which took root during the Ice Age as Caucasians(Neanderthal) live in caves and hunted at night. Once again proving that Caucasians are not a new race because they lost their skin pigmentation during the ice ages circa 12,000, 110,000 and 650,000 years ago.

          You can keep pretending that their is some relationship between African blacks and Caucasians if you want but science is quickly eliminating all your excuses and bizarro reasoning.

  77. I have read through Mr Lindsay’s theories( and they are THEORIES) of the origin of the white race, but find his rather convoluted narrative, replete with unexplained arcane terms, deeply flawed….in 5 ways.
    1) He mentions nothing about the changing geology,topography,climate and oceanography of the Earth.
    2) He ignores the effects of catastrophism, ie the deluge of circa 10,000 BC that nearly every culture and race refers to somewhere in its folk memory.
    3)He ignores the writings and speculations of those closer to that birth of white race……the Greek philospher Plato, and the story of the Egyptian priest Solon, which he passes on to us.
    4)He ignores the presence of whites on the American continents, North and South, and the increasing evidence that they migrated into the Pacific.
    5)He assumes that whites, somehow or other dropped, their black genes (and put on white jeans) and overnight, became double recessives on meeting a wee bit snow and ice and encountering short days with low light intensity, as they migrated north. Such a process whould take aeons of time to accomplish and would, according to the laws of chance, inevitably be imperfectly accomplished.

    ……..Yet, the phenomenon of albinism in blacks is there already, before your very eyes. Whole orphanages are filled with naturally-occurring recessive albinos.Allow me to play God for a couple of hundred years, and I speculate that there is a good chance that I could selectively breed a new white race….or something that had more than a passing resemblance to the present one.

  78. QofH3art$

    For the most part this blog has some very useful information, however it gets fuzzy with the continuous support of Darwin. What a ridiculous notion. About as ridiculous as all of the scholarly language, DNA codes, endless different names of peoples I’ve never heard of…a true science and study of what makes the races when it’s really quite simple. We will find there is no need to be so divided since we are are made of mostly the same substance. So ready to discount the ‘out of Africa’ origins of the modern human and so ready to come from an animal instead. tsk tsk

    First, how could humans evolve from apes if according to all this information the oldest humans in our history (not to be confused with ‘the’ history of the world-it’s cyclic not linear..contrary to…) are from Africa and that white people..white skin (melanin recessive) has not been around as long as Black skin has. The carbon content of black skin didn’t just happen from sun exposure. We formed just as the stars and the earth did. We contain the same makeup as the stars…we’re not apes, we’re more similar to planets. The oldest people in Africa don’t grow hair all over their bodies or faces. It makes no sense and Darwin’s theory has never been proven..the missing link is still missing. Why does anyone intelligent still teach it?

    Boo hoo, the Afrocentrics beat you up and kicked you out of their what, can you blame Melanin Dominant people for being angry?? We’re sorry…does it bother you that we are a broken people that have never been fixed, especially because the breaking keeps going and seems to never stop. I think gritting your teeth and bearing it is the least anyone can do instead of getting belligerent when there are cries of pain from a people constantly being bombarded by a racist system…it goes beyond words and name calling. All you have to do is take a look at the comments in this blog. The hatred is rampant and takes on an almost sinister evil air… for no other reason than the disdain for the black people of the world.

    It’s funny how Middle Eastern people are considered ‘Caucasian’ NOW, but during the European invasion of India (aka SE Asia) in the 1500s, they discriminated against and mistreated the indigenous population just as is the custom now based on their black skin and even called them *ni66er as well. Same formula all over the world; Black people are already there when white people arrive from wherever they came from (obviously dissatisfied with what they had-they needed to take what others enjoyed as their home), they pretend to establish trade, then commence the art of war to divide the people and then conquer them. This from a previous comment:

    “Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white.”

    Similarly, the Chief Protector of Aborigines in Western Australia, A.O. Neville, wrote in an article for The West Australian in 1930:

    “Eliminate the full-blood and permit the white admixture to half-castes, and eventually the race will become white.”

    For someone to still make comments like “black people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves had it not been for white people”???…are people really still that ignorant?? The contributions that the first people one this planet made have yet to be matched by any civilization following. We haven’t evolved, we have devolved. The technology that created the great pyramids and megalithic structures left behind by our indigenous ancestors the world over were created before the Egyptian population became Caucasian….waay before, the technology of today can’t even match it. If, in fact the same Caucasians that some may credit modern technology with (even though all nationalities have contributed greatly to modern technology) built the pyramids…then with all of their money and neanderthal brains why can’t they recreate it now???

    Race is such a simple equation. The oldest humans of our period were black as carbon and walked upright and were not covered with hair and originated in a hot climate with plenty of lush, rich flora and fauna, air easy to breath so the nostrils could expand fully inhale deeply, feeding the brain and the body with ample fresh oxygen creating a constitution of wellness and strength.

    Agile, flexible bodies which worked well with nature so their eyes and teeth glowed as bright as stars and their mind as sharp as arrows and proceeded to build great civilizations on every continent…then the Neanderthals arrived, the cavemen from the Caucasus mountains, sick and diseased from lack of sun rich nutrients, high altitude freezing air struggling to warm itself through narrow nostrils, little oxygen to the brain…you know…sick. These peoples blended together and created all of the other variations of humans we see today. There was never an all white world…there was, however an all black world.

    If you research the history of Great Britain and Europe it will all become clear to you. It wouldn’t hurt to take a course or two of World Cultures Asia and World Cultures Africa…you, know…the ‘PC crap’ or the ‘anti-white’ college curriculum referenced by a few earlier commenters.

    All this other mumbo jumbo…big words, lots of new words to describe ancient people and their offspring, codes etc. etc. blah blah is just to keep up all of the confusion.

    • EPGAH

      We tried to fix the savages for about 500 years, then got tired of them not only biting the hands that fed, but wiping us completely out of one of our countries after another.
      Now we let them into our countries, give them special rights and privileges.

      Treating them as the animals they are, either putting them on a leash, in a cage, or wiping them out of our countries would be “racist”, right?
      Despite the obvious economic advantages of NOT having a permanent Welfare class, and of course, that protecting ourselves from these savages in EVERY ONE OF OUR COUNTRIES gets expensive, right?

      The only confusion is that which you and your supporters introduce. If there’s something that LOOKS like you, does not produce anything but more of itself, attacks your people, why wouldn’t you wipe it out, rather than coddling it and making excuses for its violence?
      “Aww, it’s too POOR to obey our rules!”
      “Violence is part of the savages’ CULTURE! We can’t take that from them!”

  79. QofH3art$

    You know, I have to thank you Robert Lindsay for posting this blog because throughout the conversation you can truly distinguish between the real ‘savages’ and those wanting a peaceful resolution and understanding of the phenomenon of “The Birth of the Caucasian Race”.
    All the Indigenous peoples of the world whose lands were stolen, resources robbed, cultures and families torn apart by this race…the amount of global damage is insurmountable, yet understanding their origins offers much clarity.
    We, the Melanin dominant oldest and wisest peoples of the world would do well to recognize the stunted growth of the youngest race on the Earth, and see them for what they truly are…a mutated form of infants on a rampage, selfish, disconnected from nature and all things spiritual with violent abusive tendencies.
    We should stop continuing to subscribe and react to all the divisions imposed on us by the conqueror of our lands and see ourselves as one, because we truly are. It’s a waste of energy and time…thereby stunting our own growth. The true minority (no matter what the skewed census statistics say) wants to keep us fighting against one another so that they, in their small numbers can ensure their existence on this planet. They are fighting for their very survival which is why they are so vicious. This viciousness when set upon peaceful peoples the world over is the reason for their collection of stolen resources and power. No one else in the world would ever dream of such brutality and devastation against any other people/animals/forests on the planet…they are the only ones who for the sake of greed and power are willing to destroy the very Earth they need for their own survival. That is the most extreme demonstration of blind desperation human history has ever known.
    I excuse you, Sam, Epgah and your other ‘lodge’ brothers and sisters, for you truly truly know not what you do…your days are numbered by your own short sighted design. Your disrespectful use of language and racial slurs against me and mine do nothing to disrupt my confidence that you will be your own undoing.
    Unlike you…I don’t have to preach about racial superiority nor create an entire distorted and twisted system to support that claim, killing millions in the wake.
    BE the change.

    • EPGAH

      What change? The Melanin-dominant are now invading and ruining the white countries around the world. We predicted such brutality and devastation because we saw it in their own failed countries.

      Hint : supremacism is about ruling over others, survivalism is about staying alive. If a group is worried about its disappearance due to mass-immigration and miscegenation, plus outright violence, then they are survivalists and not supremacists. Falsely accusing them of supremacism raises the suspicion that you don’t want them to survive.

  80. intelligentloyalist

    I need explained to me in a simple fashion, if the white peoples came from the deserts and suchlike, what made us leave the grass huts, explore, rule etc etc surely everyone with an iq over 10 just didn’t up sticks and decide to go somewhere cold ?

    • Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps the search for resources like always when they explored?

      A desert environment would definitely force a population to do so, however I’m not sure.

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  82. OMG. I thought I was on the Ancient Aliens website for second there.

  83. Lee

    I really enjoyed reading this!!! But i wonder is it color thats dividing folk,,ignorance, ,or my personal pick, ,religion, ,,we are one people after all,,

  84. Bopper

    After reading thru this, wouldn’t it be most likely that the albinos from Africa were the first to be run out of their homes. This forcing them to migrate, due to fear for their lives. Shouldn’t this mean that the birth of racial prejudice was spurred from the very people who now wave the race card at every opportune time? Sort of seems to start holding true to the old saying ‘what goes around comes around’

  85. tukgada

    Caucasian people are the weakest genetics they tend to disappear. Look at mixing, when Caucasian mix with Asians, their children look Asians. Look at Bruce Lee, who on this earth can know he is partly Caucasian? When Caucasian mix with Africans, their children look African. look at Obama, who on this earth can know he is partly Caucasian? Hate to analyze.

    • TH Huxley

      That’s BS. There are also white-admixed who look predominantly white. Even mulattoes sometimes can have pretty much 100% blond, blue-eyed babies. Once, recently, a couple of mixed race had even twins that look like babies of different races.

      Some features will be genetically dominant. That just means that just one allele will make it visible in the phenotype, not that the genes are “weak” and “disappear”. This is exactly the same sort of BS white racists say to try to argue that it’s important to avoid race-mixing, only switching the race one thinks is superior.

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  87. SHI

    Do you think Indians are closer to blacks than Europeans?

    Have you heard of the “Melanin theory”? Promulgated by black nationalists, it says that melanin is where the human soul resides. Darker-skinned people including Africans, Arabs, Indians and S.South East Asian people have this pigment in abundance which makes them far more empathetic, feelings oriented and sensitive. The same qualities explain why these races are lazy, shiftless and hypersexual.

    Whereas white people and North East Asians, because of their lack of melanin, just cannot “feel” the way darkies do. This makes them cruel, naturally aggressive, vengeful, blood-thirsty…basically the spitting image of Viking warriors. On the positive side, absence of feelings and emotions makes these melanin-deficients inventive, hard-working, efficient, creative with a much greater ability to keep their sexual impulses in control. This may have some truth, both men and women in darkie nations constantly think of sex. Whites are a lot more subdued, can do without it.

    Italians and Spaniards are an exception, being slightly darker compared to other Europeans, they have more human like qualities.

    • That’s the dumbest shit I’v ever heard.

    • Apparently there is nothing scientific to this theory at all, but that won’t stop the antiscientific Black nationalists from parroting it.

      Indians are no closer to Blacks than any other Caucasians are. The only Caucasians that are closer to Blacks than the rest are Arabs and especially North Africans.

    • That’s actually quite backwords, for I have read quite a lot of African ethnograoghy and trust me when I say that “darkies” don’t lack in Blood-thirstiness.

    • TRASH

      SHI I agree to some extent that some gene leads tropical people to be less productive, more sexual and shiftless (This more a time/consequence continuum instinct than sheer laziness). The sole reason that whites and Northeast Asians are able to prosper is that they produce less children through random acts of lust and these children receive greater parental investment. Poor rural whites are poor because they have children at an early age and far too many of them which keeps them mired in poverty-that’s the difference between “rednecks” and middle-class whites (Anybody who believes we will win by demographically competing with NAMS is an idiot).

      Poor whites

      I’m not sure about Arabs and Jews. They have a fairly high-aptitude for trade, study and discipline as a result of emerging from the harsh desert landscape.

      Whites are able to compartmentalize their emotions to a degree that NAMS are not able. Partly a longer time/consequence frame ie if I shoot this man for calling my mother a name I will die in prison and my kids will never go to college. NAMS are ruled by their emotions.

      Italians and Spanish initiated large-scale colonization beginning with Columbus-Vikings might have had a few rude huts up in Nova Scotia for a single season before the Natives told them to shove off but it was Mediterraneans who started the age of discovery.

    • Sam J.

      The melanin theory is correct but it’s not correct that Whites don’t have melanin. We keep it in our ass so it’s harder to see. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  88. “Caucasians and NE Asians are also quite close, but not nearly as close as Caucasians and Africans.”

    Fst (Europeans and Africans) = .153 contrasted with Fst (Europeans and Japanese) = .111; the latter was corroborated by the late Henry Harpending (RIP) who found that the French-Japanese Fst value was .12. (

    Perhaps there are data backing your assertion as well, but it seems to me that either A) Europeans are closer to Asians than to Africans, or B) the jury is still out on this one. Perhaps you meant to say that Asians are farther from Africans than we are, which is true.

    In any case I highly doubt that any two H sapiens subspecies are going to be subject even to Haldane’s Rule anytime soon. IIRC it typically takes two million years for primate lineages to begin to lose interfertility.

  89. Ultra Cool

    It’s always good to learn the origin of your people, though I still don’t get the dark skinned people with caucasian facial features of the Indian Subcontinent, are they mostly caucasian or something else?

  90. S.D.

    Eurasia is a continent so naturally Asians and Europeans cluster nearer in DNA than to people from other continents.

  91. All right moron. Nigga, I am banning your Black ass, ok? Back to corner with you now to sell more crack. Your babymama is waiting there for you. The welfare check came today! It’s your lucky day, homes!

  92. Mete

    Hello I am a researcher & an artist… I learned & found out that I am from both parents half white Caucasian & half white central Asian TURKISH…I have red hair eyebrows in my dark eyebrows, & I have blonde hair among my beard under my lower lip also I have redish light-brownish BLOND(e)ish Mostaush…I have white pale skin, my face is tanned with light redish pigments, my arms hands are tanned with redish pigments & purplish pigmentation…My chest is redish tanned like james Bond sun tanned skin…I find genetics science very interesting & fascinating…Mete han

  93. Sam J.

    “…All humans had dark skin until 10,000 years ago. What birthed light skin? The glaciers…”

    This is obviously wrong because the glaciers started breaking up around 12,000 years ago. Most likely from a cataclysmic impact with a comet in North America. That means the Ice was before 12,000 years ago for at least 90,000 years. From wikipedia,”…The last glacial period, popularly known as the Ice Age, was the most recent glacial period, which occurred from c. 110,000 to 12,000 years ago…”. So by your own reckoning that the last ice age glaciers caused Whiteness, of which I don’t agree or disagree, then Whites have been White for a lot longer than 10,000 years. Why would Whites become White AFTER the ice age glacier break up?

    Look at this video,

    at around 13:31 and see the graph of temperature shooting up abruptly. The graph is based on oxygen isotopes and is directly related to temperature. This was a rapid heating then the rapid cooling Younger Dryas then rapid heating to todays temp..

    Anyone who is interested in the history of the Earth should watch the video above. It is really outstanding. Major interesting. Super good.

    • TRASH

      SAM J Egyptians in this day and age are Arabs so who is to assume that they were not Arabs or ancient Jews at the time the pyramids were built?

      As for Africans having a civilization or not, how is it relevant?

      I doubt that NAMS care much about Rome, Greece, Magna Carta or anything else about European history-why would I care much about theirs since clearly North America follows Anglo-Saxon legal customs.

    • Well more context should be added. What’s more accurate is that Skin has been, relative to Modern whites, “darker”.

      Also, while “Europeans” have existed for a good while, the people that make up modern ones in Europe existed outside of it. The Hunter Gatherer groups from 40,000-30,000 contributed little if any component. The furthest significant HG component goes back only 15,000.

      “And, perhaps more importantly, the typical phenotype of Northern Europeans probably really coalesced only around ~5,000 years ago.”

      Technically being dark skin cold work in the could, think Himilayans or Inuit.

      “Mitochondrial DNA analysis places the early European population as sister group to the Asian groups, dating the divergence to some 50,000 years ago.[37] The very light skin tone found in modern Northern Europeans is a relatively recent phenomenon,[38] and may have appeared in the European line as recently as 6 to 12 thousand years ago, indicating Cro-Magnons had brown skin.[39] Sequencing of finds of the late post-ice-age hunter-gatherer populations in Europe indicate that some Cro-Magnons likely had blue eyes and dark hair, and an “olive” complexion.[40][41] A small ivory bust of a man found at Dolní Věstonice and dated to 26,000 years indicates the Cro-Magnons had straight hair, though the somewhat later Venus of Brassempouy may show wavy or curly hair, possibly braided.”

      So on average they were basically olive. However sincxe a decent chunk (70%) of skin alleles comes from Neanderthals, at least some were white. They may’ve been darker due to “their” Europe experiencing a warming due to a change in the earth’s tilt. I believe this was the same thing that caused the Sahara Desert to begin forming, as it was once Green as well.

      • My point on skin Alleles refers to Europeans now.

      • Sam J.

        @Phil, You know more about genetics than I’ll ever know. It bores me but I read a little of it. Mostly what bores me is genetic taxonomy which is what we’re talking about. I’m skeptical of a lot of genetic research as so much of academia is anti-White so forgive me if I say that I’m not convinced they’re not lying. Do they know exactly what genes cause White skin and have they tested for that on 10,000…20,000…30,000…40,000 year old corpses?

        One of the advantages of White skin in the cold is it gives off less heat than Black skin. Bad in the tropics.

        Also I tend to follow common senses in a lot of things which may be wrong but has a fairly high threshold for being correct. If Whiteness is caused by living in the cold and the Ice Age lasted 100,000 years then why would the genes for Whiteness pop up when the Ice Age ends? Not very sensical. Hence they may be lying. Remember the Jews lied about “The Mismeasurement of Man” book by Gould for decades.

        I’ll have to read more of the link tomorrow.

        Phil I know that video I linked is way long but it’s super interesting if you interested in the Ice Age and what happened. It’s very good. I don’t believe or necessarily believe some of Grahms stuff that’s sacred geometry and all that mess but on temperatures and mass extinctions he and Randall are excellent and backed by good multiple overlapping science.

        • Matt

          The European climate is still cool enough that light skin would not be a disadvantage, and would still be an advantage in, say, Scandinavia. So natural selection would not weed it out. And then there is sexual selection. People started to prefer it aesthetically, which is true all over the world to this day.

        • To Matt,

          I believe that actually. I believe it has something to do with health deficiets being easier to spot, so if you;re blonde and overall healthy you would be particularly attractive.

        • I meant Blonde or generally light in pigment.

      • I actually noticed this, I actually keep that in mind when looking at these papers, though I could provide some context. Yes, the sources likely were from corpses from dated remains, but there should be some context to the phenotype.

        Keep in mind, even today in Europe there is a gradient in skin tone. So basically ones should expect that the same would apply to different geographical Cromagnons. Look up “olive” and notice the variety you get, multiple shades exist.

        Keep in mind, Cromagnons haven’t arrived til 40,000 into Europe’s history coming through the middle east on top of arriving during a warming period. This would’ve lead them to eventually have conquer neanderthals, who would’ve been likely pale due to being there longer. Still, Europe was still cold so light skin would be selected for.

        I’ll get back at you later about this, but currently I’m busy. What I can say though is that Most phenotypes today are recent.

        MANY…… So you weren’t at any point a negroid despite what many say.

      • Sorry, I meant that MANY phenotypes today are only recent.

      • So to explain it, think of it like this as “shade” and “pigment”. Pigment would be the base gene where you would have an average that has a variety of colors, them being the “shades”.

        You can recreate similar “shades” using different base “pigments”.

    • Sam J.

      Trash you’re a batshit insane Jew. I didn’t say anything about Jews or Egyptians or any of that in the post. You’re too fucking stupid to talk to.

    • Actually extremely pale skin is only 6k to 8k years old. Pale skin in Europeans evolved in different stages & evolved differently in different parts of Europe(northern to central to southern)
      No doubt the ice age with its year round dark & gloomy climate contributed to the evolution of lighter skin but I myself was a bit amazed to learn that extremely pale skin evolved due to farming. Farming obviously couldn’t develope until the last ice age glaciers receded & most research points to agriculture developing in Eurasia (were most if not all domesticated grains & animals originate) about 9k years old. This coincides with the genetic chronology of pale skin developing about 8k yrs ago.

      Its broken down in more detail here:

      In fact remains have been found of an ancient European with dark African skin & blue eyes
      (his gene had markers for the alleles found in African skin)
      This is man whose remains were found in Spain was truly in an adaptive flux between Africoid & Caucasoid

      • Hey thanks Hucipher. So glad to see you back. I actually missed you. You are actually one of my favorite commenters on here!

        • Always a pleasure participating in these heated debates😁

        • I’m responding to your Egypt comment here because I could not reply to your response
          Well I never wrote any % of Caucasoid or Africoid in dynastic Egyptians would be humiliating. If the word humiliating is in one of my post its a typo
          Also I never argued that “all” dynastic Egyptians were Black.
          My argument is that Egypt began as a Black African civilization that soon took on Eurasian elements increasingly over its 4000 year history. We see the change in population demographics in America just our short 250 plus yrs. Magnify that by 4000 yrs.

          Saying that I have to say it’s a well known “belief” in mainstream Eurocentric circles that Egyptians were olive skin Caucasians.
          For those of us exposed to previous & the most recent academic resesrch one has to ignore DNA & contemporary descriptions to negate the African presence in Egypt (or relegate it to a genetic contribution of 13%)

          The same people that accepted iGenea’s falsified DNA results with out challenge now attack the legitimate results of a peer reviewed labs results because they agree with an Afrocentric view of Egypt.

          If Africans in America can range in phenotype from Rhianna,Drake,Jada Smith,Wesly Snipes, Kanye West to Tyga then why is it impossible for Africans to have the same range of phenotype in a north East African country that was immigrated to & conquered for 1000’s of years?

        • To Hucipher,

          One, see my reply,

          Second you do now that level of admixture could result in Phenotypical variance In African Americans, right? Not Just in Black to white ratio, but also White to Black.

          The Oldest Modern “Black” population found was in the Central Sahara who eventually mixed with In coming Pastrolists from, you guessed it, Asia via NE Africa.

          The oldest skull with Semblance to Negroid were fround In modern Sudan, not Egypt itself.

          Thus the population that would precede it would be the Caspian expanders.

          Third, here’s the Hamitic union post.

    • Oh to clarify the farming connection to White skin(for those who may have not read the links)…farming Introduced alternative food sources that lacked the vitamin D content contained in wild fish & game that hunter gatherers & nomads eat. Vitamin D is processed by our bodies through our skin from the sun & is vital to humans,especially for child bearing women( probably why the female in most races tends to be lighter skinned than the male from the same tribe or ethnic group)
      This is why Eskimo people have lived in sub arctic climes for milenia but are dark skinned still. Eskimos still eat wild game full of vitamin D content so no need for their skin to lighten up to absorb extra vitamin D from sunlight. Farming didn’t reach southern Europe until about 7k or 9k years ago & as Ive said science points to White skin developing after agriculture fully took hold Europe wide.

  94. TRASH

    The same seems to be true of the poor screwed people in the sticks who believe they could somehow convince NAMS to start listening to Lynrd Skynrd or throw over their lucrative underground economy for honest labor or stop gang-banging to join 4H club.

    NAMS are going to grease one another in the ghetto no matter what.

    Oh, and every JOOO swilling his brown out of a booze on the stoops of his Brooklyn one-room apartment is committed to the destruction of his country.

    They have not succeeded in doing so to us Northeast whites yet but represent a grave threat to Anglos far into the interior.

    To believe Tyrone the Bone or Tony Montana would really want to leave the urban epicenter of their economy to drive rural whites off the land to seize their property by force seems is really quite funny.

    A 40 mile supply chain complete with K rations/tents/communication lines/barracks so that NAMS could kill every rural white that lives in the sticks.

    If the government were going to seize the firearms of white duck-hunters why would they not also seize the illegal handguns of NAMS?

    Perhaps NAMS would outlaw cowboy boots and Stetson Hats and bolo ties and force everyone to walk around in long black leather coats with saggy jeans when they took over the place.

    Canada would have a serious immigration problem wouldn’t it? Rural whites might even start sneaking into Mexico!

  95. Sam J.

    I looked the guy up who did this “scientific” reconstruction. Ha what a putz. He’s the same guy who did the “scientific” hack job reconstruction of Jesus. Total bullshit. Not to mention the whole thing is “based on fragments”. It’s total bullshit and just made up from whole cloth. The Judea lies again.

    • Barack Thatcher

      Jesus was totally a fucking Nord living in modern day Palestine.
      Blonde hair, blue eyes, the works.

      Fucking grow up.

  96. Sam J.

    Adam (scientific reconstruction):

    Stolen from here.

  97. Sam J.

    Hey…a meme.

    Earliest Human

    African Pygmy

    Jewish settler


    • Barack Thatcher

      “One million mummies”
      Is that supposed to be a joke?

    • “It is thought that the mummies were buried around 1,500 years ago, between the 1st and 7th Century AD, when Egypt was controlled by the Roman and Byzantine Empire.”
      Not surprise a lot of these mummies had traditionally Caucasian traits. Still red & blonde hair are rare in Southern Europe & North Africa so these like Ptolemaic Egyptians were immigrants or defended in whole or in part from immigrants
      Nether the less a million mummies is an incredible find. I will have to follow up on this to see what else has been divined from that discovery

    • They did existed in Egypt, but were numerically a minority. In North Africa Blonds are highest in the Kabyle people.

      However in this case they were like Eastern Meds from Macedonia during their rule od Roman Egypt.

    • Macedonians mainly had dark hair, but I believe the upper classes, which the immigrants were apart of, were more blondish.

      • Just to point out those blonde & red haired mummies were found in a mass grave badly mummified indicating they were common folk from the lower classes. As for Macedonia in general I’m not sure if the blonde phenotype dominated the upper classes any more than it was found amongst the commoners but I do know these traits were spread through out the Arab/Islamic nobility via sex slaves obtained primarily from Slavic tribes thus the root word for slave – sclavus-esclave- Slav. The Arab word for these slaves was Saqaliba

        As for Egypt’s 4000 year history filled with migration invasion & conquest I think it understandable the phenotype changed radically over this very long period. Greece & Rome ruled Egypt for about 1000 yrs collectively so they most defently migrated & Rome being especially cosmopolitan & diverse likely imported Germanic types from the Northern parts of their empire. In an older Independent Egypt Its possible pharoahs & noble men seeing golden haired & sapphire eyed people & simply having to have them as wives,concubines or even members of the guard. These traits then would become part of nobility as children are born of these unions.
        I’m not sure how many blondes & gingers were found in that Egyptian grave but I do know up until that discovery very few as in about 4 or 5 had been known to be found.
        I always like to use the country of Khazakstan as an example of populations merging & changing in appearance

        The people look Mongoloid or a good mixture of Caucasian & Mongoloid traits. The artifacts found there look Germanic or Keltic & in fact this was the homeland of the ancient Scythian people.

        The Mongoloid traits were introduced by the Khans when they invaded that central Eurasian land just as the Hyskos,Persians,Greeks,Romans & the Arabs introduced Caucasian traits into Egypt

      • Interesting, thanks.

        However, I disagree that the migration changed the phenotype, at least with the common people. I can buy the Royalty though.

        Now Keep in mind, I’m not arguing that they were “White” in The European sense but rather a form of Caucasian. Though I do acknowledge The Nubian’s presence and influence.

        • Incredible collection of pictures in that Matilda link. I will have to save it in my favorites section on my browser. Having said that I ask is recent DNA evidence specifically from DNA Tribes moot to you? Are you familiar with it. I address it & other aspects of the Ancient Egyptian Ethnicity debate here
          DNA Tribes tested Amarna period mummies and found them to contain primarily sub Saharan DNA.
          As an Afro American I probably have any where from 10% to 30% European DNA yet few with sight would argue I’m anything but a Black African.
          Biracial Obama visually & socially is Black.
          I understand the dynamics at play but still find it amusing(& at time frustrating) that so much is done to distance ancient Egypt from Africa even inspite of what contemporary eye witnesses like Herodotus & Diodorus stated they saw.
          The pictures from the Matilda link show a radical change in phenotype. Not saying the Caucasoid phenotype was never present but clearly you can see as the pictures display the phenotype becomes increasingly more Caucasoid as more & more Caucasoids conquered & invaded Egypt…Again I think its strikingly clear from just the sequence of pictures Matilda posted

          As for the link speaking to the R dna found in Tut by that Swedish company. It’d been long discovered to be a hoax

        • TRASH

          PHIL Nubian people are primarily in the South and have produced Aswad the President who negotiated the peace accord between Israel and Egypt (Lou Gossett Jn played him in a film).

          But Egyptians are Arab in Cairo.

        • TRASH

          PHIL Barring a minute amount of Greek blood in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria which is only a few hundred miles South of Crete and was a Greek settlement there is very little white blood in Egypt. There is very little Greek blood in those folks, for that matter.

          It is Arabic. Nubian people live far to the South of the country. However President Aswad (Played by African-American actor Lou Gossett Jn in the film about his life) was Nubian and possibly the most influential man in Egypt in the late 20th Century so Nubian people are not without influence in Egyptian history.

        • Hucipher, why is it humiliating for the Dynastic Egyptians to be 13% Black. It’s well known that the Dynastics were a Middle Eastern Caucasoid people with olive skin and Asiatic eyes who look not much like any race today except some Egyptians who still have the look. However, this group was mulattized to some extent, being 87% this odd Caucasoid and 13% Black. So the Dynastics were a partly Black people similar to a lot of Arabs and North Africans. Why must the Dynastics be all Black? What’s wrong with being a little bit Black? I do not understand why Afrocentrists are not happy with 13% Black. It has to be 100%.

          The Dynastic phenotype in Egypt today is Caucasoid, but they are some of the strangest looking Caucasoids you have ever seen. They don’t look like much of anyone, though if you think about it, maybe some Gulf Arabs, Southern Italians, Southern Spaniards and other Meds may look something like this. Dynastic Egyptians today probably look more like Arabians (non African Arabs) than anyone else.

        • The issue with the Amarna studies has been discussed at the Hamiticunion site, basically that the raw data wasn’t replicated it other studies. Also the study used limited Loci to accurately trace the affinity of their ancestry.

          I’m currently on a connection that doesn’t allow me to to link that, but I could later though.

          YOU say it’s striking clear, so actually explain why it is and exactly what “Black” population reference would you be comparing it too?

          Any Black population it could resemble would be partially black population from East Africa, Blacks with significant ancestry from Eurasia.

          As for Herodotus, She has covered that as well.

          Well my article regarding Tut wan’t suppossed to use the R to determine anything about is ancestry as a whole, it actually argue the exactl opposite.

          Again, more on the history of ancient Egypt’s continuity.

        • EPGAH

          It’s because Afrocentrics have a serious Inferiority Complex and want to (over)compensate for it with a Walter Mitty Complex.

          If Egypt was indeed an ALL-Black country, then that gives Blacks an historical civilization–an achievement–to point to. They can pretend that the Africans weren’t all primitive savages until civilization was forced down their throats. They were just as civilized as everyone else.

          HOWEVER such conceit requires magically spreading Egypt’s advancement to ALL of Africa. From there, it’s not even a step, more like a shuffle to claim that somehow Africans were just as advanced as everyone else–like your earlier article pointing out about the “miracle” of developing ironworking without Bronze Age in between?–and claim that the Civilized World destroyed the savages’ “civilization” so thoroughly, that neither ashes nor records remain.

          TLDR: “We Wuz Kangs” is a subset of blaming whites for Blacks’ lack of development. A much larger form than Jason’s sophistry about single-parent families, but similar goal in mind: Assuage the Bad Feels for never growing up and make it somehow not their fault, their development was stunted by outside forces, rather than their own lack.

        • Well a comentary from blog board does little to refute genetic evidence from an accredited lab.
          Mathilda’s site is thorough in some regards but again its a blog & filled with opinion & viewpoint from an Eurocentric anthropological lens. Mathilda’s Melanchroe argument is an example of this. Mathilda is telling you either Herodotus did not see what he saw or he did not say what he meant to say and or all subsequent translations by linguistic experts of this specific word are wrong.
          That’s a helluva stretch
          The Academic translation of
          Melanchroes=black skinned
          You have the term
          Phrenychroes=brown or red skinned and
          Leucochroes=leucochroes fair or white skinned
          So I’d think if Herodotus meant light,tan or brown skinned he’d have used the appropriate word.
          Ethiopian means “burnt face“ its not a term for skin color but it was originally used for the Kushite people’s of Africa & has become synonymous with Black African people thus Black skin. In Herodotus’s time he would not use a word for another tribe to describe who he new to be Egyptians nor would he use a term not for skin to describe the color of skin. In my opinion her argument falls flat here.
          It seems most Europeans & non Afro Americans think Ancient Africans could only look one way & for some reason the Will Smith,Drake,Beyonce,Pharell Williams phenotypes are a unique post colonial era new world, American phenom. What the genetic evidence suggest is that this is not so. Again if DNA tribes results are only being refuted by arm chair geneticist on blogs( some of the same people who never contested iGenea’s blatant hoax) but one see no academics contesting the results I my self have to side with the academics

        • Oh & just to clarify unlike my old & bitter adversary EPAGH infers I am in no way arguing “ALL” Egyptians were Black. What I am arguing is that yes Egypt’s phenotype changed over its 4000 yr history & many Black Egyptians had Eurasian DNA just as I & most Afro Americans do.

          The modern Egyptian haplo group is a sub clad of E (E1b1b1a)
          or E-V68
          This sub clad like its parent E originated in Africa & is prevelant through out Black Africa as well. In fact the haplo group I belong to is E-V38 or E1b1a
          As you see these halpo groups are related with E-V38 being slightly older
          So what does that mean? Well my phenotype is obvious & the majority of pure(or say more pure) halpo group E members are Black Africans and as we said E & all its sub clads originated in Africa 60k to 40k years ago. This is long before the Caucasoid phenotype existed & nevertheless the haplo group originated in Africa unlike haplo groups K,G,J & R y DNA that are found in Arabs,Egyptians & North Africans. These obviously contribute to their Caucasian phenotype. The E y DNA is from their “Black” ancient Egyptian ancestors.

        • Except

          A, I presented proof that the lab results leave little to be desired due to analysis of the procedure and lack of replication of said results.

          B. Mathilda didn;t just rely on opinions regarding North Africand and Egyptians in particular, she referenced actual studies as well.

          C. You actually confused her arguement of terminology. First, the word didn’t mean “Black skinned”, it mean “black” in general and pointed out it meant something different (bronze to Black) when applied to skin color. With this in mind, between a caucasoid Egyptian Phenotype would still fit under such a description.

          Also, no, her argument doesn’t fall flat with Herodotus not using Ethiopian because She made the point of how Colchians were alluded to in terms of semblance rather than Ethiopians.

          As well, she mentioned of how Ethiopians in appearance were separated from Egyptians in skin tone.

          D. Again, you are suing an apples and orange comparison with Black Americans versus your “Black Egyptians”. These phenotype range I have already explain is due to Blacks in the New World having white admixture ON TOP of being mixed with different African ethnicities from different regions.

          When it comes to East Africa the only “Negorid” from different regions of Nilotics/Nilosaharans and Bantu.

          These two groups, Nilosaharan in particular, have shown significant admxiture.

        • Number one, the origins of E aren’t definite.

          Also, The Modern E group you’re talking about originated in NE Africa, not the Sub Sahara.

          And actually, by your logic, that would Establish a stronger relationship with Egyptians and Europeans because they have the same variant at higher rates than SSA.

        • You stated you could not post the “proof” you cited from that Hamiticunin site(or something close to that…sorry for the misspell) so to be fair I will gladly read it when you can but what I haven’t seen are geneticist & other genetic labs refute the DNA Tribes Armana results in an accredited paper or from an accredited source the way they came out against iGenea’s blatant fraud. So what I’m asking for is an academic debunking of the Armana DNA test. I could site Afro Centric sources all day but I do not. Why? Well because I know they too are biased. I seem Afro centric to the Eurocentric the way something in the middle seems right askew from some one looking at it from the far left.
          As for haplo group E. Not only I but much of WestcAfrica

        • I said I couldn’t at the moment but I actually did post the link in your reply to Robert in another thread, I’m now on a different connection.

          Yes, “E” does cover West Africa but E V68 Highest Frequencies Were with Egypt, West Asian, and Europe.

          I’ll give you this though, I appreciate that you acknowledge bias on behalf of Afrocentrics.


        • The hamiticunion post address points from actual geneticists.

        • You stated you could not post the “proof” you cited from that Hamiticunin site(or something close to that…sorry for the misspell) so to be fair I will gladly read it when you can but what I haven’t seen are geneticist & other genetic labs refute the DNA Tribes Armana results in an accredited paper or from an accredited source the way they came out against iGenea’s blatant fraud. So what I’m asking for is an academic debunking of the Armana DNA test. I could site Afro Centric sources all day but I do not. Why? Well because I know they too are biased. I seem Afro centric to the Eurocentric the way something in the middle seems right askew from some one looking at it from the far left.
          As for haplo group E. Not only I but much of West Africa fall under this haplo group so you can’t say my E y dna comes from my European blood. This is a map of the migration route of haplo group E.

          As you can see E originates in East Africa & finds its way North & eventually West Africa.

          Quote: “Most members of haplogroup E-M96 belong to one of its identified subclades, and the E-M96(xE-P147, E-M75) is rare. E1a and E-M75 are found almost exclusively in Africa.”

          As for my particular sub clad

          “E-V38 is the most prevalent subclade of E in Africa. It is observed at high frequencies in all African regions”

          Yes Wikipedia states a study from 1997 stating “possible origins” in Asia but one reason I like these threads is that i learn about more new & more recent research like the million mummy discovery so I’ll site a more recent source
          Haplogroup E

          “Haplogroup E is an African lineage. It is currently believed that this haplogroup dispersed south from northern Africa with the Bantu agricultural expansion. E is also the most common lineage among African Americans. It is a diverse haplogroup with many branches and is found distributed throughout Africa today. It is also found at a very low frequency in North Africa and the Middle East.”

          Nevertheless a possible Asian origin doesn’t negate the fact macro group E
          Has extremely high frequencies through out Black Africa including the West Africa

          This is the DNA.
          Also you must realize groups of ancient man traveled far wider than we moderns assume & inter group admixture occurred at higher frequency than some assume. I mean modern Egyptians are a hodge lodge of E,G,J & R for a reason. This is admixture, miscegenation the same thing that gives me my average of 16.7% European dna

        • Sorry I hadn’t completed that post properly

        • Again, I’ve already posted you the link, but in another thread. But find, here it is.

          BTW they actually reference academic research, particularly with the inconsistency of the results and the large margin of error associated with the study using limited Loci.

          Second the Haplotype you’re talking about is E-V38, not the Egyptian E-V68

          “E-M78 is widely distributed in North Africa, Horn of Africa, West Asia (stretching as far as Southern Asia), and Europe.[2][6]

          The most basal and rare E-M78* paragroup has been found at its highest frequencies in Egyptians from the Gurna Oasis (5.88%), with lower frequencies also observed in Moroccan Arabs, Sardinians, the Balkans, and Andalusians from Huelva.[2][3][11]”

        • Sam J.

          “…As for the link speaking to the R dna found in Tut by that Swedish company. It’d been long discovered to be a hoax…”

          The guy saying it’s hoax is (((Albert Zink))) you can;t believe a damn thing Jew say.

          Zahi Hawass head of Egyptology said in a video that the pharaohs were Whites. Maybe he’s wrong but that’s what he said.

        • I believe that the 13% Sub Saharan African genes is good solid science. I call it 13% but the actual figure I read was 10-15% Sub Saharan African genes by DNA of Dynastic Egyptians. If you look on their friezes, you can see that they very much distinguish themselves from Libyans (who look like Whites) and Nubians (who look like Negroid Africans). In contrast, they paint themselves an off yellow sort of olive with Asiatic eyes. The only humans that I have ever seen who look like the Dynastic Egyptians in their friezes were Arabs, particularly some Egyptians. I am told that Egyptian Coptics are the present day ethnic group that most closely resembles Dynastic Egyptians.

          I have also seen a study in the Journal of Physical Anthropology where Dynastic Egyptian skulls were plotted on a chart. The skulls plotted most closely with those of modern day Egyptians.


        • Yes E-V38 is found in West Africa & E-V68 is found in Egypt. What im trying to say is that they are related & being that E-V38 is older the original phenotype of the Macro group E had to be Africoid or Negroid if you like. This and the fact E originated in Africa about 60k years ago & the sub clads we speak of are 40k to 50k years old the 1st humans possessing the yDNA E marker had to be adapted to the climate it originated in thus Africoid. As we know the Caucasoid developed in Eurasia & as we see the corresponding Caucasoid haplo groups developed in Eurasia(for example R,N,GJ) The map is for macro groups & as it shows E originated in East Africa & dispersed north ,west & even south. As it dispersed into different regions different sub class developed.

        • @Robert
          Throughout most Egyptian art Kamites had a tendency to depict females as an off yellow but the men as brown,reddish brown which is the color of many African tribes & many Afro Americans.


          Why the men & women were usually depicted in different skin tones I don’t know. Most likely it symbolized something but in different periods we see men & women both depicted having brown skin tones

          Just as you state most Afrocentrics advocate an all Black Egypt it seems you see an all Caucasian ancient Egypt
          For me its clear both phenotypes were present but the majority of the old & middle kingdom depictions resemble Ethiopian,Eritrean.Sudanese & Somali types.
          Even culturally the style of braided hair & wigs are an African thing

          A Fulani doesn’t look like a Ugandan. A Khoisan tribes man doesn’t look Congolese & nor do all Black people look alike.
          You are looking at Egyptian art & if you don’t see the Blackest most stereotypically negroid image its Caucasian to you.
          Robert in this very blog you’ve shown pure Black Africans with what would be called Caucasian traits. Why isn’t it possible a Black population with admixture to appear as many of the ancient Egyptian images depict?
          If Beyonce looks the way she does in America due to European & Amerindian (mongoloid) admixture why is it so impossible an African people living near a cross road of cultures not have similar admixture? That 13% may be correct today but to assume a people who have been conquered & have absorbed immigration for thousands of years not to be genetically affected is just erroneous. Especially during a time with no racial stigma to mixed relationships or cohabitation.

        • To hucipher,

          Can you present proof that the “majority” were somali phenotypes? Just because you gave those examples that doesn’t make it representative.

          Also, a DNA look at Somalis. They aren’t comparable with west Africans to generalize a “negroids” simply.

          “The autosomal studies show that as a whole Somalis are about 40% Eurasian, which is about the same as Ethiopians. The maternal DNA is about 20% M1.”

          You make a big deal about “surface looks” but the thing is what’s more reliable is skeletal traits.

          I have given you both dental and skull studies showing continuity to the present.

        • No I’m not anymore caught up in outward appearance than you are.
          Your now inferring Somali that are Blacker than me are not Black because of Eurasian admixture.
          You seem to be stating a haplo group that originated in Africa long before the Caucasoid phenotype developed was Caucasoid.
          How do fully Caucasian traits develop in a habitat adverse to them?
          We know the J & R yDNA developed in Eurasia and people that posses this haplo group all have a varied range of Caucasian phenotype

          Also it seems Mathilda is your go to source. Sorry but this blog is not the final word on anything. This is why I give “academic” sources.
          Mathilda presents information with no references. She (or he) presents numbers then gives you their perspective
          I read the (about me) section of Mathilda’s blog & I see the writer does not believe in the Out of Africa theory (only in name) on the genesis of man kind. So now I fully get that blogs skew. I say skew because OOA is a theory in the same way the Big Bang & Evolution are theories. Anyone who doesn’t believe OOA should sit over next to the climate change deniers & flat earthers. Seeing this makes Mathilda’s blog even more suspect.
          As for Mathilda’s interpretation of skull studies presented there (with no references) here is some information on skull studies on Ancient Egypt from academics


          “Numerous studies report finding ancient Egyptian s skulls to resembe those of other Africans As early as the white racist anatomist Sir Grafton Elliot Smith reported that the thousands of Egyptian mummies he examined at Cairo’s Egyptian Museum fre/uently had features such as “poorly developed rows, bulging occiputs, small but relatively broad noses, and slight projections of the jaws, all common African characteristics. Slightly over a decade later, Barnard observed that most Egyptian crania resembled those of Sudanese Nutter,Kieta and Godde have all replicated this result of Sudanese affinity for Egyptians. Crichton found Egyptians to resemble Kenyans, whereas Brauer , Keita and Germeersch report a similarity between Egyptians and a larger selection of African population”

          There’s more but I’ll stop here. Again academics. Not a blogger who doesn’t believe in a scientifically proven theory.

          Also Cleopatra’s sister Arsenoe’s tomb was found in Turkey. The way she was identified was by her “negroe” skull characteristics. Archeologist rightly so judged this negroe skull in a tomb in Eurasia to be a foreigner & this allowed them to trace her back to Cleo.
          Now we all know Cleo was a Ptolemy & I won’t get into Cleo’s ethnic make up because for one thing she & Arsinoe had different mothers but what this indicates is that as late as Ptolemaic Egypt the African phenotype was still present.

          Obviously Egypt’s population has centuries of admixture & such admixture changes phenotype


          The sister mentioned.

          Also Mathilda’s study is actually has a direct reference, not just a claim with a citation. On top of that it is a comprehensive review of multiple studies.

          Keita’s actual take on Egypt. True, populations have mixed…..since it’s foundations if you read his conclusions. As well she corrects him on a citation.


          “DNA and linkages between Nile Valley and Levantine/Middle Eastern populations
          Some DNA research demonstrates genetic linkages between the peoples of the Near East (Iran, Iraq, etc) with those of the Nile Valley and adjoining areas. Such linkages are not unusual given the movements of peoples. (Krings et al.). One such study researched Somalis, and holds that East Africans are more related to Eurasians than sub-Saharan Africans by a 10% margin.[62a] However the same study also shows that East Africans (Somalians, Oromos of Ethiopia and North Kenya, etc) are linked with each other to a much higher extent than the 10% differential influence between Eurasians or sub-Saharan Africans, (15% and 5% respectively). Ironically, the study’s use of such labels as “sub-Saharan” is misleading, since both Somalians and Kenyans are located below the Sahara.

          So How is it that it could be that Modern Egyptians are closer to Eurasians due to mixing with populations like Arabs when the same applies to These other populations that aren’t modern Egyptians?

          Other research on Egyptian populations also show the same pattern, with stronger links to other localized East African populations than European, sub-Saharan or Middle Eastern groups.[62b] Studies based on DNA maternal lineages also link Egyptians with people from modern Eritrea/Ethiopia such as the Tigre people.[62c] Other research illustrates that modern Egyptians have greater genetic affinities primarily with populations of North and Northeast Africa than with Europeans, sub-Saharan Africans or Arabs.[62d] It should be noted that the peoples of the Horn of Africa, who are closely related to Egyptians, are “sub-Saharan” whether defined as such by the oft used 15-degrees latitude line, or by the PN2 Y-Genetic transition, that links a vast number of African peoples together, even though they look different outwardly.(S. Keita, History in Africa, Vol. 20, (1993), 129-154).[62e] ”

          On a genetic level it is only Y chromosomes and geography that links East africans with SSA people, when OVERALL modern Egyptians and other East Africans form a cluster closer to themselves that Other populations but OVERALL are closer to Eurasians.

      • And what I”M saying is that the variant of E that the Egyptians have is one that is shared mostly by Eurasian and not Africans.

        Also, you should know that a single Haplotype doesn’t translate to the full ancestry of a population.

        This debunks your suggestion of replacement from other people.

        And, sadly repeating myself, The oldest people in North Africa weren’t negroid.

      • You’re wrong, she does have references. Actually The paper you cited was from some person’s class assignment who was just vaguely reference Keita’s work, so you’re not really referencing an academic either.

        If you knew anything about Haplotypes and their variance you would understand my point on E variants.

        You DO know skin color is merely an adaptation to sunlight, right? That doesn’t neccessarily determine race. Prove to me that the study was wrong on autosomal DNA.

        This guy, an actual Somali, agrees.

        You only show one reference of a study when Mathilda cites multiple ones, despite your claims of “bias”.

        Also, she didn’t say that she didn’t believe in OOA, she said that it wasn’t the only possibility and that a mere recent expansion wasn’t likely.

        This last one just merely looks at the the evidence of mixing with archaics, not the origin of modern humans.

        • Mathilda states she feels OOA is inaccurate. She has a blog titled the Out of Africa Deception. This strongly infers she does not believe in OOA. Any physicist worth a grain of salt doesn’t question the Big Bang nor do biologist feel there is another possibility for the speciation of life besides Evolution.
          As for the paper regardless of who wrote the paper the actual researchers are cited & I’m sorry I rate even a college paper above a blog. As for the obvious genetic change in Egypt it too has been researched
          As for my understanding of Haplo groups I understand the E variation had to have a source I inside of Africa & being even the variation found amongst modern Egyptians is older than the existence of a Caucasoid race arguing that it originated in any one but an Africoid is moot

        • Okay, all you did was read the title and NOT the article. What it did was shown data of archaic alleles in populations, going against an idea held originally by OOA before the Theory was modified.

          I couldn’t read your paper on the site it was on but I did read it here.

          As for E, you are still not getting it. That Variant is shared more AMONG Eurasians than it is among Africans. Even if E started in Africa, that doesn’t mean that it’s exclusive to Africa and in this case this variant is shared higher amongst Eurasians.

          As for your paper here,

          “Egyptians cluster closer to other nearby African populations than to Europeans or Middle Easterners
          Issues of methodology in skeletal and cranial studies of ancient Nile Valley populations.”

          This is Misleading because it is Already well known That Nubians for example are the closest to Egyptians.

          Also, it is also says NEARBY African populations, not all populations or most. So this would apply more to North Africans or Mixed Horners than to West Africans.

          With that said, it didn’t say whether or not the Egytians would pull closer to Other geographical Africans before eurasians.

          In terms of affinity for East Africans, see here.

          “Above is a PCA plot (Principal Component Analysis) from Pagani et al. , a study focused on the Horn of Africa populations. In this PCA/ cluster you can see that Anuaks & the South Sudanese samples have a greater pull towards West Asians & North Africans as well as Europeans (CEU) than Yorubans who are a Niger-Congo speaking West African ethnic group do (though the pull is small) despite the fact that Anuaks and such have anything between ~10-30% Niger-Congo input (makes up almost the entirety of the Yoruba).”

          Now back you’re source

          “This research rejects sensationalist theories that the ancients were of Indian, Australian, Greek, or Nordic stock, or nationalist theories that they are identical to Arabs, West African Bantu or Syrians. Instead they are most closely related to other Nile Valley and East African peoples- Somalis, northern Sudanics, and Ethiopians. This recent research confirms Frank Yurco’s statement as to “one Nilotic continuity.” ”

          This is also consistent with Mathilda’s notes if you had actually bothered to understand. See this note from an author that the study agreed with.

          The second Phylogeny tree shows a closer clustering with Eurasians BEFORE west Africans, consistent with the Clustering mention before.

        • More from the East African Cluster

          “DNA and linkages between Nile Valley and Levantine/Middle Eastern populations
          Some DNA research demonstrates genetic linkages between the peoples of the Near East (Iran, Iraq, etc) with those of the Nile Valley and adjoining areas. Such linkages are not unusual given the movements of peoples. (Krings et al.). One such study researched Somalis, and holds that East Africans are more related to Eurasians than sub-Saharan Africans by a 10% margin.[62a] However the same study also shows that East Africans (Somalians, Oromos of Ethiopia and North Kenya, etc) are linked with each other to a much higher extent than the 10% differential influence between Eurasians or sub-Saharan Africans, (15% and 5% respectively). Ironically, the study’s use of such labels as “sub-Saharan” is misleading, since both Somalians and Kenyans are located below the Sahara.

          Other research on Egyptian populations also show the same pattern, with stronger links to other localized East African populations than European, sub-Saharan or Middle Eastern groups.[62b] Studies based on DNA maternal lineages also link Egyptians with people from modern Eritrea/Ethiopia such as the Tigre people.[62c] Other research illustrates that modern Egyptians have greater genetic affinities primarily with populations of North and Northeast Africa than with Europeans, sub-Saharan Africans or Arabs.[62d] It should be noted that the peoples of the Horn of Africa, who are closely related to Egyptians, are “sub-Saharan” whether defined as such by the oft used 15-degrees latitude line, or by the PN2 Y-Genetic transition, that links a vast number of African peoples together, even though they look different outwardly.(S. Keita, History in Africa, Vol. 20, (1993), 129-154).[62e]

          Such diverse population patterns show a mix of genetic strands that cannot be defined in stark racial terms as of a narrowly stereotyped “sub-Saharan” type, versus all others. The “sub-Saharan” component is itself highly variable, with types such as “elongated” (some East African types) or “broad” African (some West African types), or any number of variants with differing body type, skin color, etc. As one anthropologist puts it: “The extreme Negroid variant is just that, a variant, and not a “founding” or the “original” type.” (S. Keita, History in Africa, Vol. 20, (1993), 129-154).[62e] This variability is reflected in DNA data as well. Thus various gene mutations found near Africa, such as that in the Middle East, are a subset of the original baselines found in Africa before out-migration. This baseline is the most diverse in the world. Cranio-metric studies reflect this reality. Hanihara (1996) for example found early West Asians to resemble Africans, confirming the point of origin in the baseline stock. As researcher Cavalli-Sforza notes about gene variations in Africans:
          ” In other words, all non-Africans carry M168. Of course, Africans carrying the M168 mutation today are the descendants of the African subpopulation from which the migrants originated…. Thus, the Australian/Eurasian Adam (the ancestor of all non-Africans) was an East African Man.” (Linda Stone, Paul F. Lurquin, L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Genes, Culture, and Human Evolution: A Synthesis, Wiley-Blackwell: 2006, pg 108) “

          So the Ancient Egyptian “African component” is closer to that of Eurasians than to non-east African Sub Saharans.

          Sub Saharans in this context is merely Geographical and a weak Y chromosome based linkage rather than Robust affinity.

        • OK let’s unmuddle this discussion.

          Showing me that modern Egyptians cluster closer with Eurasians does little towards proving who or what ancient Egyptians clustered with. This is only sufficient to people who assume this population has not genetically changed over the near 6000 yrs. 4000 as Egypt proper & about 700 yrs as Christian & then about 1300 as Arab/Islamic Egypt. They even changed the name to the United Arab Republic for a short period.

          I totally agree the modern Egyptians cluster closer to Eurasians. They have had a majority of Eurasian gene influx. The G,J & R DNA indicates this.
          As for E sublades in Eurasia this too is from migration.
          I’m not arguing who falls under a sub clad more or less.
          I’m arguing where that E & its sub clads originated & what was the phenotype of the people who possessed this sub clad.
          E-V38 & E-V68(and all sub class of E) are technically cousins. They are not separate distinct haplo groups rather mutations of the same group. Understanding homo sapiens sapiens evolved in Africa one must then understand the Africoid…the Negroid is man kinds original phenotype to a lesser or greater degree ( I’m actually not sure about the hair) Caucasoids & Mongoloids & even Austroloids are adaptations to new environments & sexual selection of those peoples over tens of thousands of years.

          You can find haplo group R1b in sub Saharan Africa but I’m not arguing it originated in Africa. Why? Because its been established R developed in Eurasia and its parent R1 from south Asia

          Haplo group R is only 18k to 20k yrs old & fits the timeline for humans now having Eurasian genotypes back migrating into Africa.

          Sub Saharan genes can be found in North Africa & Southern Europe. These markers date back past the trans Atlantic & Arab slave trades so migration is the only answer to this Dna’s presence

          “While the researchers detected no African genetic signatures in Northern European populations, they found a distinct presence of African ancestry in Southern European, Middle Eastern and Jewish populations. Modern southern European groups can attribute about 1 to 3 percent of their genetic signature to African ancestry, with the intermingling of populations dating back 55 generations, on average — that is, to roughly 1,600 years ago. Middle Eastern groups have inherited about 4 to 15 percent, with the mixing of populations dating back roughly 32 generations. A diverse array of Jewish populations can date their Sub-Saharan African ancestry back roughly 72 generations, on average, accounting for 3 to 5 percent of their genetic makeup today”

          OK I got a little muddled but what I’m basically saying is the E ydna found in modern Egypt are remnants from the Black population that once occupied that region in far higher numbers.

          That’s my argument & until I see DNA Tribes’ research refuted by professionals or even a skilled laymen in a peer reviewed publication such as Jstor or ncbi I again will have to side with what the professional geneticist have arrived at.
          Its great to question everything because you never know. I mean when iGenea’s results were announced (by themselves from my knowledge they never announced a peer reviewed study on Tut) I was suspicious. I didn’t have to dig to long to discover their ruse but if it was discovered to be accurate I’d have to concede to their findings ..well at least for Tut himself.

        • A few things to clarify,

          My point with E-v68 is that is a subclade that doesn’t occur that often with SSA people comapred to Horners, north africans, and eurasians. I also have given multiple evidence that it was from a group of people that cluster closer to modern eurasians than conventional SSA, but of course it’s closest is Northeast Africans of modern times. Still, the point is that the ancestors of them would be GENETICALLY closer to eurasians, the phenotype would be irrelevant.

          BTW, this wasn’t test on “modern egyptians”, it was quotes from THAT study you gave on Ancient ones.

          And you still insist on genetic change when I have given info that talks about how no real distinct genetic change occured from predynastic to dynastic. See my actual links.

          Yes, there was a presence of distinct populations, but NOT in the sense that one took up the entirity of Egypt. There was on in the south and one from the North, the southern one being more “african”.

          The genetic studies show that the african one is closer to east african ancestors of OOA populations, NOT SSA.

          The problem with your label of “african” and balck being synmonous is also incorrect. It is often noted that SSA people as we know today, or “negroids” are the modern group associated with original man rather it is Bushmen who are a different group physically and genetically.

          They would be “africoid” but not negroid exactly.

        • BTW, the conclusions of Keita for example, as imperfect as he is, was that Egypt wasn’t founded by a distinct clear cut group but a mixture of a eurasian and African one, the later descending from OOA populations that stayed in Africa.

        • Additionally, even if I didn’t “debunk” the report from DNAtribes the reliability CAN be judged by anyone with a decent knowledge of genetics and can point out flaws in their methodology.

          And the Hamiticunion has pointed out A. The lack of replication in this genetic work and the limited amount of Loci.

        • I read the Discovery Magazine site link & noticed the writer separates the Black peoples of Africa to such an extent he states the Nama people do not “look”

          This is like saying a Greek doesn’t look White. Its one thing to identify the individual cultures with in a racial group but the attempt to separate different Black African tribal/ethnic groups as if they are distinct racial groups I find dubious. I dont hear anyone arguing the Basque are less White or Caucasian than the Swede. From Denmark to Malta all those people are Caucasian & speak an Indo-European tongue. Only the Finns ,Estonians & the Basque speak non Indo European languages but no one questions their “Whites”
          I mention language because along with the genetic ties the ancient Egyptian language is closer to other native African languages than it is to Eurasian ones.

          “Despite resemblances with Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian differs from all the Semitic tongues a good deal more than any one differs from each other, and at least until its relationship to the African languages is more closely defined, Ancient Egyptian must certainly be classified as standing outside the Semitic group.
          (Sir Alan Gardiner, Egyptian Grammar, section 3, page 3)”

          In fact the Afro-Asiatic language family originated in Africa not Eurasia

          So its not just DNA but language & culture that ties ancient Egypt to Black Africa

        • As for the point I’m making with yDNA halo group E-
          “A haplogroup (haploid from the Greek: ἁπλούς, haploûs, “onefold, single, simple” and English: group), is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single-nucleotide polymorphism mutation.”

          The key phrase is “common ancestor”

          Here we are not speaking to the yDNA haplo group A ancestor we all share but rather the common E group ancestor that all possessors of E share regardless of subclade.
          E-V68 is more prolific amongst Eurasians but I again am arguing its origin which is firmly established in Africa.
          Prior to the drying up of the Sahara Black Africans migrated in high numbers easily into North & North East Africa
          The article linked below about the earliest archeologically known human conflict states
          “Parallel research over recent years has also been shedding new light as to who, in ethnic and racial terms, these victims were.
          Work carried out at Liverpool John Moores University, the University of Alaska and New Orleans’ Tulane University indicates that they were part of the general sub-Saharan originating population – the ancestors of modern Black Africans.”

          This occurred in North Africa & unlike common Eurocentric dogma modern Humans lived in North Africa tens if not hundreds of thousands of years before Eurasian back migrations
          “recent analyses demonstrate a number of synapomorphies shared with modern humans, establishing the presence of H. sapiens sensu stricto in North Africa 130,000–190,000 years before present (ybp)”

          The oldest artificial mummy was found in Libya & the skeletal remains alone identity it as Black African

          So not only the Nile valley but North Africa had a far higher population of Black Africans.
          10’s of thousands of years of miscegenation will impact DNA & phenotype
          An example is prehistoric North America
          The oldest remains are Caucasoid. When the Mongoloids migrated into North America they soon either killed off or absorbed the Caucasian group. I haven’t looked at any genetic studies to determine if Amerindians intermixed with this group but its more than likely.


          One I didn’t distinguish Khoisan from Negroids based on “appearance”, I said so on the basis that THEY, not Negroid West/Central Africans of Modern times, were the ones associated with the dispersal of humans.

          And yes, genetically, they are a different race.

          Also, you misinterpreted that link you gave me. Nowhere did it suggest that it was linked to Black African languages, only that it would remain distinct from Semitic ones until better relation are understood with Black Africans.

          Also, a look at what the actual origin theories are based on DNA

          All theories based on the East of Africa, in other words, from a West Asian or East African origin. I have already given you evidence of East Africans that Ancient Egypt is tied with is associated with proto Eurasians from Your sources, not SSA.

        • One the mummies was Found in Southern Libya, closer to the central sahara and was most likely associated with with this culture, not NE africa.

          Also those skulls, like the one found in that article you mentioned were reevaluated,

          You may reject this, but it goes in line with Ancient NE africans being found FROM YOUR SOURCE to be closer to genetically to Modern Eurasians than Modern SSA.

          This also goes in line the E variant found with Egyptian being more common amongst Eurasians, indicating by your logic a closer relation.

          And for those Caucasian skulls found they were Ainu, not Caucasian.

          “Anthropologist Joseph Powell of the University of New Mexico was also allowed to examine the remains. Powell used craniometric data obtained by anthropologist William White Howells of Harvard University and anthropologist Tsunehiko Hanihara of Saga University that had the advantage of including data drawn from Asian and North American populations.[24] Powell said that Kennewick Man was not European but most resembled the Ainu[17] and Polynesians.[24] Powell said that the Ainu descend from the Jōmon people who are an East Asian population with “closest biological affinity with south-east Asians rather than western Eurasian peoples”.[26] Furthermore, Powell said that dental analysis showed the skull to have a 94-percent consistency with being of a Sundadont group like the Ainu and Polynesians and only a 48-percent consistency with being of a Sinodont group like that of North Asia.[24] Powell said analysis of the skull showed it to be “unlike American Indians and Europeans”.[24] Powell concluded that he “is clearly not a Caucasoid unless Ainu and Polynesians are considered Caucasoid.”[26]”

        • “The prehistory of Egypt spans the period from earliest human settlement to the beginning of the Early Dynastic Period of Egypt in c. 3100 BC, starting with the first Pharaoh Narmer (also known as Menes). This Predynastic era is traditionally equivalent to the Neolithic period, beginning c. 6000 BC and including the Protodynastic period (Naqada III).”

          So in other words By the time Egypt actually become a Civilization, it wouldn’t Have been “Originally Black” if it mixed with Eurasians since 13,000 b.p by your logic.

        • Also you still don’t understand the significance Of E-v68, If it source was From NE, not SSA, and it is in higher frequency in Eurasians than SSA by that logic Eurasian would’ve had a closer relation.

          Also This is supported by the stufy that you gave giving the same conclusion of affinity.

        • 1st I apologize for the link. Linking pdf’s is difficult for me & I intended to link this PDF. [PDF]Linguistic Ties between Ancient Egyptian and Bantu –
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          Which I took the quote from which clearly indicates the connection of ancient Kemetic to Bantu
          ” lexicological and synthetic similarities amounted to convincing proof of the close relationship between Ancient Egyptian and African languages of today. This type of parallelism was impossible between Semitic, Berber and Ancient Egyptian.”
          I only mentioned this to point to other evidence besides the latest DNA evidence

          As for macro group E it seems your ignoring or simply fail to understand that for 1 when even the E-V68 subgroup 1st sprang on the scene the Caucasian phenotype did not exist. 2nd you keep alluding to the sub Saharan Africans as if they(we) have only existed in SSA. As DNA maps show E originated in East Africa.

          West Africans possessing subclade’s of E indicates they & or their ancestors migrated from East Africa. The same goes for those who posses the subclade’s of E anywhere else in the world. E-V68 did not get to Eurasia on its own. It traveled there just as E-V38 traveled to West Africa & the people carrying those genes were Black Africans. (i mean i dont get whats hard to understand about that) The frequency of E-V68 in Eurasia is not what I’m addressing. Again I’m addressing were & when it originated & the time & place it originated was a hot tropical environment millennia before your Caucasoid types existed. The presence of haplo group E in modern Egyptians point to the Black African population their J & R ancestors absorbed

        • Second I have already pointed out that ancient Africans are not comparable to Modern Negroids and the connection of of which with modern ones are only with Khoi-san people, NOT west/central Africans.

          And what you also don’t understand with E is that all that proves was that Ancient Egypt’s oldest population was based in Africa, it does not tell us it’s genetic affinities. Sin ce E is in higher Frequencies in Eurasian, who btw are descended from African, it would indicate that the group of Africans were closer to them. This is supported by your source I’ve mentioned earlier.

          As for that language note
          1. That link doesn’t work, it didn’t present me to a direct source
          2. You said you acknowledge Afrocentrism, so explain to me this.
          Do you REALLY think such an analysis is likely when the Bantu language originates only several thousands years from Central Africa, both chronologically and geographically distant from Egypt?

          Also why would you allude to a Bantu connection when Phenotypically most of the “African looking statues” looked like Somalis, non- Bantu speakers?

          If it where to allude to a african language, why not one at least Geographically closer to Egyptians than Bantus.

          AND AGAIN, lets see the deeper contradictions when you assert this, as this would go against what you said. You talked about how the Afro Asiatic family originated In africa, which includes Berber, so explain to me how Bantu, a RECENT N-Kongo language would be closer to AE?

        • Your statement Khoisan & other Africans are a different race is inaccurate. Hell you & I are not different “races” but I won’t act like I don’t understand what your poking at.

          The thing is that Black Africans are thee most genetically diverse people on the planet

          & until you separate Slavics from Germanics racially I can’t entertain the Eurocentric double standard applied to Africans

        • As I said I merely posted the research on Bantu/ancient Egyptian connection. Im not arguing ancient Kemetic is a derivative of Bantu but that there is a connection. The same way the Indo European links between Sanskrit & say Greek show humans migrated from the north middle east & the Indian sub continent to spread that language.

          I’m not sure why you think I’m comparing Mongoloids to anything. The mention of Mongoloids absorbing Caucasoids in North America was an example of the process of genetic & phenotypical change in a population

          As for the link to the Bantu/Egyptian book. If you copy & paste the books title it will pop up.( sorry for the trouble)

        • The title said Sub Saharans, not “Black Africans”. And either way you cut it it is with the Khoisan specifically that have the traits, not other SSA members.

          I have also posted a link showing that Hunter gatherers form a different cluster.

          I posted a the link and it didn’t work. Can you copy and paste full paragraphs from the link if it worked

          Also I never said that it derived from Bantu, I said how it is contradictory that AE language would have closer traits to Bantu compared to Berber when you said that the whole Afro-asiatic family came from East Africa? Bantu is mnot Basal to afro Asiatic and as far as I know neither is AE, but please prove me wrong.

          I wasn’t talking about mongoloids, I said that the ancient skulls in America were Ainu, a Australoid sub type, not Caucasian but they are similar.

          Also, I mention how your logic with the “Saharan Race War” wouldn’t work in the argument that AE was originally Black if you said they were mixing for thousands of Years.

          If that were the case then it would be plausible to conclude that Egypt was “black at first but lost phenotypes as time went on” if it was mixed to begin with, which was actually Keita’s beliefs if you read the Mathilda Links I gave.

          Plus, I already showec and repeated how your source showed that the ancient egyptians were “Africoid”, but were GENETICALLy closer to modern Eurasians.

        • Ok just in my defense when I read Ainu i jumped to Mongoloid thinking of them as indeginous Japanese. In fact Robert has a blog addressing the question if the Ainu are Austroloid or Mongoloid
          now im not arguing this but again my example in the Americas is an example of population change in an area. If the original population was Austroloid or Mongoloid in North America is moot.
          My argument isnt wether Bantu is closer in relationship to Afro Asiatic than Nilo-Saharan. Im simply stating the relationship but the Eurasian language family of Indo-European surely is not closer to Ancient Egyptian.

          Now as for the Libyan munmy i said nothing infering It was connecting it to Nile Valley cultures. I simply used it to indicate that the Black African phenotype was more prolific throughout North Africa circa 4000bce

        • I of course I am not the 1st to recognize a Black Egypt. African Americans actually didn’t invent the notion of a “Black Egypt”
          Besides Herodotus & Diodorus France’s Count De Volney stated:

          “When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their ‘mulatto’ appearance)

          “In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold.

          “Just think,” de Volney declared incredulously, “that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!
          “In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould.”

            M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, and 1785 (London: 1787), p. 80-83.
        • Okay, back to language.

          The problem was that that the quote wasn’t comparing african languages and indo-european, it was comparing the two with Berber and Semitic.

          What I told you didn’t make sense was that Bantu would share a closer connection with AE language than Berber, I have explain why and I won’t repeat myself.

          And I’ve already told you that The culture of the Libyan Mummy wasn’t widespread through North Africa, it was limited to the Central Sahara as I have shown with Cave paintings and how it was found in SOUTHERN libya.

          As for De Volney, his only observations were from Herodotus’ brief mention of Black Curly hair and how many ancient egyptians and modern Egyptian resembled Blacks in certain features.

          “Constantin de Volney was troubled much by the institution of slavery. His expressed opinion that the ancient Egyptians were black Africans much departed from the typical European view of the late eighteenth century, but it gave many people cause for reflection. During his visit to Egypt he expressed amazement that the Egyptians – whose civilization was greatly admired in Europe – were not White! “All the Egyptians,” wrote de Volney, “have a bloated face, puffed-up eyes, flat nose, thick lips – in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘ As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair… “When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their ‘mulatto’ appearance) “In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. “Just think,” de Volney declared incredulously, “that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites! “In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould.”[1]”

          One, Mathilda explains how such interpretation was bunk by showing that the traits were alluded to Colchians or Georgians rather than compared to Nubians in Appearance, MULTIPLE sources rather than just one fro classical times.

          With more on De Volney his postulation wasn’t a comprehensive study but an observation based on what he saw. He didn’t have that much investigative evidence aside from the few mentions he had.

          Now, lets compare with actual modern research, such as your source that shows them to be closer to Modern Eurasians as I have repeated many times.

        • More on Volney, concerning his lack of true investigation.

          “The expressions of Herodotus, when He says that the Egyptians had a black skin and woolly hair, coinciding with the head of the sphinx of the pyramids, necessarily induced the author of Travels in Syria to believe That this ancient people was of negro race; but all the mummies and engraved heads discovered by the French expedition contradict this thought; and the traveler, yielding to evidence, has abandoned his opinion, with Several others consigned in a chronological memoir, composed at the age of twenty two, and which was erroneously inserted in the Encyclopedia in the 4th 3d vol of Antiquities. Experience and study have enabled him to correct many errors in a late work published at Paris in 1814 and 1815 Entitled New Researches on Ancient History. (See the 3d vol Concerning the Egyptians.)”

        • Georgians did not exist when Herodotus described the Colchian peoples. Funny you can find small %’s of haplo group E in the Georgian area also.

          Again this is the E that more than likely arrived when the Egyptians set up colony in that area.
          Modern Egyptians cluster closer to Eurasians because of Eurasian admixture. The sub clade of E is incidental. No current dna study of ancient Egyptians clusters them amongst Eurasians.

          Mathilda is not only bias but her bias causes her to question verified science such as Out of Africa so when she questions eye witness testimony & valid dna results I have to recognize her view is effected by that confirmation bias. I present flat evidence. not my interpretation of eye witness testimony- just the testimony. not a cherry picked attempt to dismantle dna results – just the results. You question results that are accepted by mainstream academia so theres nothing I can present that will over come such confirmation bias. You question the data on this mater the sameway climate change deniers question NASA environmental studies. Theres a slew of Mathilda’s denying the fact humans are making the planet hotter also.

        • Okay, number

          Mathilda did not go against OOA, she merely stated that there were other theories and that there was evidence of archaic alleles in different populations, evidence that went againat the FIRST model of OOA.
          That “E” varisnt you have is found in many EURASIAN populations, so therefore to associate with SSA type Africans are dubious.

          And BTW, my point on Egyptians and eurasian WASN’T from modern analysis, it was based on ANCIENT dna from YOUR SOURCE if you look back on the thread. Ancient NE africans basically being a population similar to OOA ones that stayed in Africa.

          I’m sorry, but you must have a pretty evasive mind to not understand why I intrerchanged Colchians and Georgians.

          “Colchis was populated by Colchians, an early Kartvelian-speaking tribe, ancestral to the contemporary Western Georgians, namely Svans and Mingrelians, as well as the related Lazs.[4] “

  98. Sam J.

    A White Women, Laura Trott.

  99. Barack Thatcher

    see the genetic studies!
    “One million” mummies being found all at once sounds ridiculous!

    I love this one. Lol.

  100. scott furniss

    wow. archeology has become a liberal science. it has become a social tool of propaganda. there is no way any modern artist can possibly reconstruct what the nose may have looked like. some of the other features perhaps…..but NOT the nose. this artist has placed a huge black mans nose on this face giving the appearance of a black person transitioning into a white person…..quite obviously…..and obviously deliberately. this is a joke.

    • Well actually if you look at the link and see the nose from the side the bridge is high and look more angular like a european’s.

      However I agree about the nostrils, seems forced.

  101. Mia

    This information is and was very much so needed in our history. As a 37 year old black woman, I feel robbed of my culture and history. To know this information is greatly appreciated…


  103. paulray

    Tutsi people are the fathers of Caucasus people today, their skull is not close to the negroid skull which are two different types of skulls and history repeats it self because of civil wars done by the buntu against tutsi people so even if an arab or berber is changed because do to mix race he or she is still not far from what they are because tutsi people are closer resemblance to modern day whites or arabs because nose and face features are all different from other africans,. everyone was brown or black back than. African Americans are mixed with a lot of race thats why they are mild in color. When people argue that Egypt and north parts of africa including ethiopia is black people, describe the type of black people, man started to get lighter skin color about 10 thousand years ago, Tutsi are not Negroids they are the real Caucasians who migrated all over the places. there is no such thing as mixing races, the same tutsi people who left north and east parts of africa started to have lighter skin color do to climate changing in middle east and Europe. Tutsi people are close to modern Caucasians today. Africa is diverse with many types of people and stop saying white people are claiming this or that like you said its been 12 thousand years of people becoming lighter in skin color that is not mixing that is migration.

  104. paulray

    We all came from Africa live with it but out of all the species that came out to be more civilized and took advantage of migrating were the cacuas people who could possibly root to the tutsi people. so today all the white caucasians and middle easterns are brothers and sisters to the tutsi people. I am a middle eastern assyrian and I am light in skin color do to lack of exposure of the sun. I did my DNA and it showed 50% middle eastern, 35% eastern Caucasian and 15% greek/roman regions. So in a way I am still 85% Iraqi but I dont look black or white. I have olive color skin with dark thick hair. And that first picture you posted is not caucasian its of the first aboriginal that migrated to North America. Describe the type of black not the color black. We were all black before, even Europeans were dark people but scientifically our skulls were always different only the skin color was the same at one point. Egyptians 7thousand years ago were BLACK CAUCASIANS NOT BLACK NEGROIDS. KING TUT DNA WAS CLOSER To WESTERN EUROPEANS MEANING BACK THAN HE WAS A BLACK CAUCASIAN BUT HIS ANCESTORS THAT MIGRATED OUT OF THESE PLACES WENT TO COLDERRRRRRR CLIMATESSS AND STARTED TO GET LIGHTER IN SKIN COLOR. YOU WHITE AND BLACKS NEED TO LIVE WITH THE FACTS AND STOP MAKING FANTASIES. THEY ALSO FOUND A 4000 year old skull in isreal that was not aboriginal, not mongol, and not negroid but Caucasian and yes dark Caucasian. So yes a white person and a middle eastern have the right to say wow I have history because they link to Caucasians. When you look at egyptian painting you see people of different colors painted because different empires conquered. MY WHOLE POINT IS WE WERE ALWAYS TOGETHER AT ONE POINT SHARING EMPIRES THE NEGROIDS AND CAUCASIANS ALWAYS SETTLED TOGETHER. FREAKING LIVE WITH IT WE ARE ALL ONEEEEEE .Some black people try to ignore the fact of scienifically proven that there are 4 types of skulls that relate to the homo sapiens but I always see sites like this that only relate to negroid skull. The cacuasian skull is just as old as the negroid skull and both originated from africa. Negroid was more southern and Caucasian more north east

  105. paulray

    sub saharan regions like north Africa and east north Africa have many Caucasoid people, and they been there for thousands of years. Berber and Egyptians are not far from what they are from the past and modern. Even if they do have mix in them, its not far off from what they really are.

    So no matter how much people want to argue region, civilizations, and the people of color or not color, Sub-Saharan people and Middle East regions have Caucasoids in them and have had them for thousands of years.

    Caucasoid were the ones who had an interest to migrate all over the world. The fairy tale of how Arabs invaded these countries to make them lighter is ignorance because the Arab culture came from Saudi Arabia, Arabs were dark, and Arabic language roots to Hebrew and Aramaic and all are Semitic languages,

    Clarify the term Black because I am with you on people being dark before, but skull type matters most in regions. Science has proven many times that the remains unearthed in these regions have Caucasoid skulls that can date back thousands of years.

    Recently an article has been going around that a scientist unearthed a skull dating back 4,000 years ago in Northern Israel. The skull was of a Caucasoid man, and when it was worked on, the man in the picture looked like this. This picture looks identical to what Berber people look today, so the theory of Arabs invading is debunked.

    Here is the link:

    Also look at these links of what people been looking like for thousands of years and still look the same today.

    Egyptians –

    Egyptian people

    Somalians –

    Ethiopian –

    Lybyan –

  106. paulray

    Even jesus was a semite. they found a skull that dates back to 4000 years ago there were no invasions around that time and the face structure was of a middle east man of what most middle eastern men look like todayyyyyyyyyyyyyy .. what more evidence do you people need. evidence suggests that people of middle east and north africa were Caucasoid back than and still are today. so this link above the paragraph supports the fact that today’s people around the middle east and sub saharan are most likely natives of the area. If you want to go 100% black than you going way way back in the past like 30 to 60k years ago. Civilizations and languages written all started no more than 7k years ago and today people from the regions are the same as 7,000 years ago . people need to stop ignoring scientific facts. Blond and blue eyes around those regions are fairy tales. todays Egyptians are the same as they were 7000 years ago its facts. The Coptic people are the closest thing to Egyptians and they have proved it by DNA testing that they are the same Egyptians from the old empires. I am middle eastern and I have mentioned I have taken a DNA test and i have 85% of roots to my region. Lets say your theory was right and all people of these regions are mixed. The term mix should shut everyone up because in that mix the individual who lives in these area still has DNA rooting back in history and that makes it their home more than the so called people saying they are not the real people of these regions and lets say that person is truly 10% real native Algerian and 90% arab, he is still 10% more Algerian and has the right to call him self Algerian.

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