Australoid Genes in Southeast Asians

Repost from the old site.

As we noted in a previous post, many amateur Internet anthropologists, NE Asians, White Supremacists and other folks argue that SE Asians have substantial Australoid influence which influences their phenotype. This harkens back to an earlier era in anthropology when this view held wide currency.

Australoid, a term which has fallen out of favor but still deserves to be used, refers properly to Papuans and Australian Aborigines in the genetic sense. Used anthropologically, it can refer to Negritos, Senoi, Tamils and Ainu.

Australoids definitely refers to Papuans, who can be characterized that way both anthropologically and genetically. The Yali are a tribe in Western New Guinea, presently being colonized by Indonesian settler-colonist criminals with the assistance of US imperialism as “Irian Jaya”. This Yali tribesman has an interesting phenotype that actually, in this case, resembles many regular Javan Austronesian Indonesians. Love the bone through the nose.

Afrocentrists also claim the Papuans, but the Papuans, like the Negritos and Melanesians, are among the people on Earth most distant from Blacks. Papuans are even more distant from Africans than Melanesians and Negritos are.

Melanesians and Negritos are anthropometrically Australoids. Genetically, most Negritos are just Asians, related to whichever people they happen to be living close to. However, the Semang of Thailand and Malaysia are also genetically related to Papuans. The Melanesians are anthropometrically Australoids but genetically Asians with significant Australoid (Papuan) base.

Australoid may also refer to Veddoids. Tamils, a group thought to be related to Veddoids, have skulls that look like those of the Andaman Islands Negritos, the Semang (Malay Negritos) and coastal New Guineans (Melanesians), but genetically, Tamils and other Veddoids tend to look like nearby groups. In general, Southeast Asian Veddoids look like SE Asians, and South Indian Veddoids look like South Indians.

A beautiful Fijian woman. The Fijians are actually a mix between Polynesians and Melanesians, but most say that they are Melanesians. They are classified as members of the Melanesian Race genetically. Note the frizzy hair. The Melanesians themselves are a creation of migrating Austronesian tribes who moved into coastal New Guinea and significantly elevated the culture of the area.

They intermarried heavily with the Papuans and then spread out to populate Melanesia. Subsequent waves of Austronesians moved into Melanesia, intermarried with Melanesians and moved on to Polynesia to become the Polynesians. But how the Polynesians got so large is not known. There are lots of theories about this. So, Melanesians = Papuans + Taiwanese aborigines and Polynesians = Melanesians + Taiwanese aborigines.Melanesians in Papua New Guinea. Not all New Guineans are Papuans – some are Melanesians, especially along the coast. Melanesians, as noted above, are a mix between Papuans and Taiwanese aborigines. Though Afrocentrists love to claim them, they really one of the most distant groups from Africans on Earth.

The truth is that for most SE Asians, there is not much Australoid influence anymore. And anyway, NE Asians are also related to Australoids, since prior to 10,000 years ago, Australoid populations characterized the human settlements of all of NE and SE Asia, all of the Americas and even India.

For instance, the Ainu of Japan and their ancestors, the Jomon, are related to Negritos, Aborigines and the Veddoids of India. Many groups in Indonesia are also related to Veddoids and Negritos. Yet most Filipinos have little if any Negrito genes (see towards the end of the post for an analysis of this interesting situation), and the vast majority of Indonesians do not either.

Instead, Filipinos and most Indonesians are mostly related to Taiwanese Aborigines, an ancient Chinese group that came out of China and went to Taiwan 11,000-26,000 years ago. A group of these Aborigines set out from Taiwan 8,000 years ago as the Austronesians and populated much of Island SE Asia. The Austronesians were no more Australoid than a Chinese from Guangdong is.

However, it should be noted that some Malays and Filipinos do have strong Negrito features. There has been a certain amount of interbreeding between Filipinos and the local Negritos, and the result has been that the Negritos are close to Filipinos genetically because they have a lot of Filipino genes, but your average Filipino does not have many Negrito ancestors.

Aeta kids in the Philippines. Although they look like Blacks, this group is also probably very distantly related to Africans. I believe they are over by Polynesians on this chart, though they are not shown on the chart itself. Aetas are members of the Philippines Negrito Race and are somewhat close to Filipinos, though in global terms they are actually quite distant. The Micronesian Yapese are also a part of this race, which is interesting and unexplained.

Aeta languages seem to be dying out and Filipino settlers have been moving in and stealing their lands for decades now, sometimes killing the Aeta in the process, a crime which is often not prosecuted. The Aetas are starting to show the “defeated race” syndrome of culture and language loss along with heavy intermarriage at the very least.

Whereas they formerly owned their own lands, Filipinos have now stolen most of those lands, and Aetas now work as day labor on Filipino farms, a deterioration. There is heavy drinking in their settlements and pornography is popular entertainment.

The reason that Filipino Negritos can have lots of Filipino genes but most Filipinos do not have many Negrito genes is because there is such a dramatic difference in the populations of the groups.

Negrito populations in the Philippines are small – I calculated 102,572 speakers of Negrito languages – and non-Negrito population is 86.2 million. So there are 860 X more non-Negrito Filipinos than Negritos. If even 1 out of 1000 Filipinos breeds with a Negrito, you will have lots of Filipino genes in the Negritos and almost no Negrito genes in Filipinos. The two groups will also appear somewhat close on genetics charts.

Another Philippines Negrito, this one from the Batak group in Palawan at the southern end of the Philippines. About 10% of the Batak still speak Batak, a language with about 200 speakers. Palawan is heavily Muslim and is close to Indonesia. The title of this article seems to imply that they are in pretty bad shape and on the road to extinction, at least linguistically and culturally.

Another reason these people are different from Blacks is that their hair is different. Negrito hair is naturally “woolly” like that above. Black hair is “kinky”. If that woman above was Black, her hair would not look like that – would be going out in an Afro like the hair of the Fijian woman above.

While it is true that the original people of Thailand and Malaysia were Negritos, Australoids have had little input into the present-day Thai people and Thais are considered to be Mongoloids. For the Malays, the situation is a bit different, as they do retain traces of Papuan genes, but only in very small numbers.

A Papuan man in front of some Indonesian onlookers in the fake province called Irian Jaya, stolen from the Papuans by Indonesia and then colonized by Indonesian invaders. What happened was that the Dutch left the area, where West Papua had been a part of their colonial holdings, in 1965. The Dutch specifically stated that West Papua was not part of Indonesia and was to be joined with Papua New Guinea.

The Indonesians, cheered on by their US imperial masters, simply invaded and stole the place. The result has been a huge number of Papuans killed in a vicious and brutal insurgency that has lasted decades and has been supported to the hilt by US imperialism. US imperialism was involved in the original theft of Western Papua because they wanted to split up some of the stolen loot with their Indonesian criminal buddies.

This story has hardly been reported on in the press, but John Pilger has done some excellent work on it. This blog supports the armed Papuan separatists 100%. First Timor Leste, next West Papua.

By the way, that is a penis bone, I think, on his penis. A lot of Papuan men wear these things. I guess the idea is to make it look like you have a huge permanent erection. This guy also looks sort of Caucasian to me. I find a lot of Papuans do for some reason.

The original people of Malaysia were the Semang, a Negrito group that still exists there on the border of Southern Thailand and Northern Malaysia, where they live deep in the forests. Afrocentrists also claim the Semang as Black, but they are probably among the groups on Earth that are genetically furthest from Blacks.

Between 4,000-8,000 years ago, the Senoi, an Austroasiatic group, came down from Southern China. They were an early split from the Zhuang group, a proto-Tai group in Southern China. The Zhuang themselves probably split off about 5,000 years ago. The Senoi apparently married into the Semang once they got to Malaysia.

The Senoi of Thailand and Malaysia are Veddoids. The Senoi cluster with Andaman Islanders, coastal New Guinea ( Melanesians) and Tamils in skull shape.

The Veddoid Senoi are related to the Zhuang of China, as the Veddoids of India are related to various Indian races. Many think that Veddoids are related to the Negritos as one of the first populations in Asia – some say they were a second wave out of Africa after the Negritos. The largest number of Veddoids are found in India.

The Senoi are very interesting due to a false theory that has been spread about them regarding the way in which they incorporate dreams into their daily life. This false story has spawned a movement known as Senoi Dream Theory, which suggests that you can control your dreams in order to improve your life (which is supposedly what the Senoi do).

This story was concocted by an amateur anthropologist named Kilton Stewart.

The entirety of Senoi Dream Theory, upon which an entire sub-school of Western psychology has been founded in such New Age havens as Berkeley, is nonsense. The Senoi do use dreams in a way that most Westerners do not, but not in the way that Senoi Dream Theory suggests, and furthermore, there is little evidence that one can control one’s dreams much, which is unfortunate to those like me who have such lousy dreams.

These are the Veddoids. As the text notes, they are found in India, Sri Lanka and Malaysia. The text seems to be in Croatian, but I am not sure. Some think that the Veddoids were the second wave out of Africa after the Negritos, but no one is really sure what they are or where they came from. They remain a mystery. One characteristic of the Veddoids is wavy hair.

The Semang, the Negritos of Thailand, are despised by all other groups in the country, as is the case with many Negrito populations. The Semang came there 8-20,000+ years ago.

Previously, the residents of Thailand and Malaysia looked like Aborigines. A 25,800 year old skeleton from Thailand looks like Aborigines, and so does a 44,000 year old skull from Malaysia. The genes from the 25,800 year old bones look like the Semang. One theory is that Negritos were the first wave in SE Asia and Veddoids were the second.

For the Malays proper, there were two waves coming to Malaysia – proto-Malays and Malays. Proto-Malays are classed as Mongoloids, not Australoids.

It is thought that the proto-Malays moved down into the area from China 3000 years ago and are a result of the first Austronesian wave via Taiwan that then bred in heavily with the Senoi, creating the proto-Malays. It is thought that the line tracing the Malays back to northwestern Yunnan 4,500 years ago is following a Senoi line.

3,500 yrs ago, Veddoids moved into Indochina from India after the Aryan invasion.

The Malays proper were a later wave of Austronesians from Taiwan to Philippines to Borneo to Sumatra and then up into Malaysia 2,300 yrs ago. The Austronesians lack Australoid genes. Some say Malays are mixed with Negrito, Veddoid, Proto-Malay and Malay, but there is little good evidence for that, especially since, in recent years anyway, the Negritos do not seem to have bred in much with the others.

However, present-day Malays do say that the Negritos, or Orang Asli, are their ancestors. Southern Thais, close to Malaysia, may also have some Negrito genes.

A beautiful Malay woman. The Malays, members of the Malay Race, which includes Java, Sarawak and Malaysia, are mostly Muslim, but there are large Chinese and Indian minorities there. The Malays are probably a result of waves of Taiwanese aborigine Austronesians marrying in with Veddoids from India and the Senoi Veddoids from Southern China. At the base may be the Semang Negritos, the original settlers of the land.

At the moment, there are only traces of Papuan genes in the Malays, and genetically, they resemble Filipinos and Western Indonesians.

More Papuan guys. I love the one guy with the bone through his nose. I hope this turns into a new urban fad along the lines of tattoos and piercings. I long for the day I can walk into a Starbucks and see a young kid with a bone through his nose. Then I will know I have arrived at the multicultural wonderland.

Some of these guys seem to look sort of like Amerindians in their phenotypes.

The Papuans seem to have an amazing amount of phenotypes. Papuans were probably one of the very first groups out of Africa. The Negritos moved out of Africa down the Indian Ocean coast to SE Asia, then to New Guinea and then to Australia.

Humans may have been in New Guinea up to 60,000 years ago. They must have arrived there by boats, because even at the highest water point, there was still a deep 30-mile channel near Timor that never got covered by land.

Another major group in SE Asia is the Mon-Khmer Austroasiatic group, who came from Yunnan in China 4500-7000 yrs ago and populated parts of SE Asia, Burma and SE India. The Thais came only 1000 yrs ago from Yunnan and subsequently spread out through much of Indochina. Both groups came from Southern China and have no Australoid genes in them.

Further evidence shows that Filipinos, most Indonesians and Malays are closest to Taiwan and China and each other, and very far from Melanesians, a prototypical Australoid population that they are purportedly related to. Filipinos have a particularly close relationship with the Taiwanese aborigines, especially the Ami. They are closer to the Ami than Chinese, Malays and Indonesians are.

Two beautiful young Ami women, Taiwanese aborigines from Taiwan. This tribe, more than the other Taiwanese tribes, seems to be the source of the Austronesians that over a period of 8,000 years left the island and populated much of SE Asia. The Austronesians form the core group of Philippines and parts of Indonesia and make up a significant part of the Malays, Polynesians, Micronesians and Melanesians. The Ami are one of the largest of the Taiwanese aborigine groups.

These tribes probably moved to the island in waves over 20,000 years or more. The Tai also seem to go back to Taiwan, but theory is that they left over 5,000 years ago, went to Southwest China, where the proto-Tai homeland is, then went to Central China where they met up with the proto-Zhuang heading south from central China.

The Zhuang and Tai then split into two major groupings, with the Zhuang going on to form an Austroasiatic group. The Zhuang are also related to the Senoi discussed in this post. Both the Zhuang and the Senoi probably go back to northwest Yunnan.

An exhaustive overview of the Taiwanese aborigines is here. The Taiwanese aborigines had long traditions of continuous warfare, and were especially enamored of headhunting. This sort of thing continued up until the 1930’s.When the Japanese raided one village, Mahebo, in 1930, 108 women committed suicide en masse so that the men would fight to the last man without worrying about the women.

The Taiwanese aborigines do not have any Australoid genes that we can see anymore. But they came from Southwest China and Northern Vietnam (interestingly, this is also the Asian Homeland) up to 26,000 years ago, and Southwestern Chinese do have traces of Papuan genes. The Ami are members of the South China Sea Race, which also includes the Han Chinese from around Guangdong and Hong Kong.

The Aboriginal Taiwanese are an interesting group. Genetically and linguistically, they are very distant even from each other, as compared to other SE Asians, probably as a consequence of having been in Taiwan for up to 26,000 years. The link between Taiwanese Aborigines and Northern Vietnam and Southwestern China is deep.

An ancient type of artifacts in Taiwan called Corded Ware Culture came from Northern Indochina and Southern China long ago – 9000 yrs ago. Corded Ware is linked to Austronesians described above. Another artifact type in Taiwan – Lungshanoid pottery – also comes from southwestern China 4500 yrs ago.

It is true that there is some Australoid influence on Indonesians, especially those in the eastern part of the archipelago. The Mulaccans, the Nusa Tangarrans and others have some affinity for Australoids (Melanesians), but other Indonesians, Filipinos, Chinese and Taiwanese do not. For one possible Australoid influence on Indonesians, there are links between the Veddas of Sri Lanka to the Toala of South Sulawesi in Indonesia.

Indonesians on Sumatra fighting for supplies after the deadly tidal wave a while back. Indonesians do look quite a bit different. The Sumatrans are members of the Island SE Asian Race, which includes the Paiwan Taiwanese Aborigines and the Sea Dayak, Sumatrans and Balinese in Indonesia. However, this group is almost all Acehnese, since the tidal wave almost exclusively effected Aceh Province. The Acehnese have, in addition to Austronesian characteristics, influences from China, India and the Arab World. You can even see it in the name – (A)rabia, (C)hina, (E)urope, (H)indu India. Some Acehnese even have blue eyes, said to be from Persian influences.

Although West Indonesians like these are mostly Austronesian, the Indonesians in the center and especially towards to the East do have a lot of Melanesian (Australoid) in them. This seems to be from a backwards movement from New Guinea or Melanesia of Melanesians after the Melanesians were created on New Guinea back into the eastern Indonesian islands.

Here is a good overview of the “Australoids” of India, Papua and Australia, along with the Melanesians, Negritos, their names and their history. It includes such interesting groups thought to be related to Negritos as the Tamils of Sri Lanka and the Mahra of Saudi Arabia. An excellent overview of the Negritos of the Philippines is here. A reprint of an old book describing the Mafulu, a Negrito group in New Guinea, is here.


Domhoff, G. W. 2003. Senoi Dream Theory: Myth, Scientific Method, and the Dreamwork Movement.

Headland, Thomas N. 2003. Thirty Endangered Languages in the Philippines. Work Papers of the Summer Institute of Linguistics, University of North Dakota, Volume 47.

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64 responses to “Australoid Genes in Southeast Asians

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  2. Kefas

    It’s very strange that Westerners are keen on using the criterion ‘difference’ to determine the borderlines of countries. This is something an Indonesian wouldn’t understand. If I just go a few hours south of Jakarta, I can already hear people speaking in a different language I don’t understand. Similarly, if I go slightly north from Makassar (Makassar is at the southern tip of Sulawesi), I can hear the Buginese language, which is very different from the Makassarese language. The culture between the two ethnic groups are similar, but the Buginese have ‘bissu’ (transvestite priests who are the tradition holders and leaders in traditional ceremonies), women who pray in the mosques on Friday and they have Caqdoleng-doleng (young women singing naked and performing erotic movements in front the whole village with an audience ranging from little kids to grandparents). These among other things are UNHEARD of in the Makassarese Land. Forget the Buginese, the Makassarese themselves have huge differences between them between They speak three mutually unintelligible languages. Look at the three different ways of saying “I can’t see it” in different parts of Makassar:

    In Gowa – ‘tena kuciniki’
    In Konjo – ‘anre kuittei’
    In Selayar – ‘gele kujanjang
    And Buginese (Soppeng dialect I think) – ‘degaga uitai’

    And I’m still only talking about the southern part of Sulawesi Island. Spanish, Italian and Portuguese even has less differences IMO:

    Italian – non lo vedo
    Spanish – no lo veo
    Portuguese – nao o vejo

    If we Indonesians follow the Western idea that ‘difference’ a reasonable criterion to form a separate country, then Indonesia would collapse into tiny regions. West Papua would too. W Papua has around 10 unrelated language families, including the Austronesian language family spoken in some parts in the north which is of ASIAN origin, not Papuan. Go check out Wikipedia ‘Austronesian’ if you don’t believe me.

    Hi, I really like your thorough explanation about all these things, but I think I need to try to digest it all a second time, because I had thought that Negritos, Melanesians and Veddoid were all the same. I have several things to say though.

    The Yali tribesman whose picture you posted above looks like any other old Indonesian men I see in Java. That is without the bone going through the nose and with a shirt and a peci on his head. He doesn’t seem like the ‘typical’ Papuans I usually see like the child in front of his mother on your third pic. I also read once that Papuan low-landers and highlanders have very different physique. It was from Guns, Germs and Steel with pictures portraying high-landers as more built and rugged-looking than lowlanders.

    I’m a Makassarese from South Sulawesi. It’s very striking though how people from North and Central Sulawesi have such bright skins compared to us. Interestingly also, my fourth cousin (who is 20 years older than me) has frizzy hair exactly like that Batak woman on your 5th pic. But she doesn’t look as dark as her, she looks as dark as the Fijian woman on your 2nd pic. I made fun of her hair once and she said, “What are you laughing at, this is how the original Makassarese look like”. I thought to myself, ‘oh really?’ I really don’t know because I grew up mostly outside of Makassar and most Makassarese women wear head scarves, but the ones that I usually see are straight haired, not like the Batak woman. How do you explain that?

    I have here a music video from youtube from the Kaili ethnic group of Central Sulawesi. One of the two singers have features that strongly resembles the woman Melanesian mother with two children, although to a lesser extent and with a very light skin. She also seems to have an afro and not just a frizzy hair and looks like a different race compared to the other singer.

    Concerning your post-Tsunami from Sumatra. The Sumatra that got hit by the Tsunami was almost completely the Aceh region. The people’s features there are not reliable to be used for generalizing about Sumatra, because usually they have much of Middle Eastern, Indian and Chinese influences. The name says itself (A)rab (C)ina (E)ropa (H)india. In Wikipedia, it even says that some of them have blue eyes, probably from Persian influence.

    I don’t know why, but in Indonesia, most people think that the Batak ethnic groups from North Sumatra, the Dayak tribes of Borneo and the Torajans of Sulawesi to be related to each other and to be the original peoples in the region. Their cultures resemble each other in some ways more than they resemble to the people around them. They have much lighter skin and (except for the Dayaks) very typical face structures distinguishable from other Indonesians. Both the Bataks and Torajans do not marry people outside of their communities. Sorry if I write too long. It’s just very interesting…

    • Lucian*

      Actually, you could say that Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian and even French are actually quite similar because all of them have the same root: Latin language of the Roman Empire, because all these countries were actually part of the Roman Empire. Beside these countries, you may also find minorities without a country who speak Latin languages as well: macedo-romanian, istro-romanian, vlacho-romanian, retoroman, etc.
      I did not included the Moldavian language because this is basically Romanian with a slightly different accent.
      Same thing you can say about the other two majoritary groups of languages in Europe.
      German family: german (of course :)), swedish, norvegian, dutch. Austrians and some part of Swiss are speaking actualy german.
      Slavic family: russian, bulgarian, slovenian, serbian, czech, slovakian, croatian, polish, ukrainian.
      So if you can speak 3 European languages: polish, german and italian you may have great chances to be able to understand almost everything in Europe.
      Of course are some exceptions as well:hungarian, finland and estonian who speak unique languages.

      • olbodala

        Excepted than French and romanians are not latins by dna.French are mostly kelts and germans(excepted some parts of the south),while romanians are daco-slavic folks.

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  4. Tshusukoi

    hallo, i think se asian isnt australoid. They r full blooded mongoloids.

    Kefas said”If we Indonesians follow the Western idea that ‘difference’ a reasonable criterion to form a separate country, then Indonesia would collapse into tiny regions.”

    Yes it will be happenning if Indonesians always do racism to the Papuans. not just racism to the Papuans but to the ethnics like Chinese and native mongloids(as Dayax, Minahasa, and Mentawai).

  5. sasha

    again, wonderful article. do you think you could write on NE asians as well? something to this extent about their geentics and ancestry. I like how you your post do not seem to have a hidden agenda like so many “internet anthropologists” (as you put it) do. my husband is korean, so I would just like to see some insightful topics on their history and peoples that isn’t from an NE asian suprimicist, white nationalist, or afrocentrist veiw point. I’ve seen it a millions times on asian pride sites that koreans are the most pure race on earth (closly followed by japanese and chinese), and I wonder if this is true. there is this wedsite from an afrocentrist: which tells of africans (maybe negritos?) in south china but not not much on korea/japan. just would love to hear your te=ake on these things.
    again, great blog, I’ll be back.

    • Yes I have some stuff on NE Asians.

      Japanese are not so pure! All a Japanese is is a cross between a Korean and an Ainu. That’s it!

      The Koreans came to Korea from Mongolia about 5,000 years ago. There were earlier people living there but they were wiped out. Nothing is known about them. They may have been Ainu types, no one knows.

      When the Ainu came to Japan 16,000 YBP, there were already Negrito types living there. The Ainu apparently wiped them out.

      Koreans, Japanese and NE Asians are closely related to Caucasians, but they don’t have any Caucasian in them.

      9,000 YBP, all NE Asians looked like Ainu types. After 9,000 YBP, NE Asians started transitioning from Ainu types to the type we know them as now.

      The Negritos are Southern China are NOT Black people! They are about as distantly related genetically to Blacks of anyone on Earth. Just cuz someone looks Black does not mean they are Black. The Negritos are very ancient, the remains of the first people out of Africa.

      Chinese are a mish-mash of all sorts of different ethnic groups, and Northern Chinese are further from Southern Chinese than Whites are from Asians! Doesn’t seem like such a pure race to me!

      I love Korean people. Especially Korean women, haha.

      • moks

        hahah i love too bro…

      • You sound like an anti Black fool, who only speaks about “this isn’t Black, that isn’t Black, This isn’t Black and That isn’t Black, and BECAUSE THEY LOOK BLACK DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE BLACK……..OH BY THE WAY, IF THEY LOOK WHITE THAN THEY ARE WHITE, AND ANYTHING THAT LOOKS WHITE AND 4% NEANDERTHAL SUB HUMAN IS WHITE, BECAUSE THEY LOOK WHITE, HE HE HE HE HE HE. Stupid racist idiotic article by an anti Black “Negrobobic” lunatic.

    • Might you have a yellow fever, Robert? You like Korean women — what about Chinese, Japanese and Southeast Asian women?

    • I like Chinese and Japanese women. And Filipinas, Hmong, Cambodian, Indonesian, Burmese, Vietnamese and Thais are ok. Those are the only ones I have any experience with. They are hard to get though, at least the Hmong. They don’t date non-Hmong that much.

    • But you seem to have a preference for Korean women, not that I blame you or anything. Do you like East Asian women more than other groups of women (i.e. European, Latino, African)?

  6. sasha

    interesting, I’d love to see more gentic testing on those populations… most of the test seem to be concentrated on european/caucasian groups.

    • What are your sources for this statement “the Ainu of Japan and their ancestors, the Jomon, are related to Negritos, Aborigines and the Veddoids of India” and ” When the Ainu came to Japan 16,000 YBP, there were already Negrito types living there. The Ainu apparently wiped them out”? Also, your picture of what constitutes the Japanese (“All a Japanese is is a cross between a Korean and an Ainu. That’s it!) seems simplistic and askew. The Ainu and the Ryukyuans are so far apart genetically despite their ancestors once having come from the same Baikal region that they are further related to each other than to Honshu types and continental types. Also Japanese genes are more diverse than you make them out to be – they vary according to regionality, along the length and breadth of the entire archipelago, and that diversity can be seen on ear wax maps as well as genetic or blood group maps. What of the deeper Austronesian connections – traceable to possibly East Indonesia/Borneo/perhaps even Luzon, Philippines. Recent studies also begin to reveal more of earliest Australoid contributions and those of deep in time Palaeolithic migrants whose traces have been marginalised but whose genes can still be detected. Japanese are more diverse than the Koreans, but even the Korean populations can be divided into those of northern and southern Austroasiatic origins, and not just Mongolians as you have stated.

  7. the malay girl is so beautiful…

  8. Listen up you Chinese punk. You’ve been banned. You violated the comments rules. I know you came from Asiasfinest too. You’re another one of the nationalist chumps over there. I’ve been following your weenie discussion. Looks like the Chinese nationalists are some of the worst nationalists of them all. And I’m not a geneticist. I’m just an author and a dilettante.

    BTW, send some more of your Chinese nationalist weenieboy friends over here so I can ban them too, ok?

    Bye Chinaman.

  9. Peter Garn

    Hi Robert – I agree with you in many respects. Since some years we found out the genetic connections and ancestors of all human tribes and races by the mt DNA. Most surprised I was, as scientists found negroid skeletons in Brazil, Peru…..these oldest skeletons are around 10.000-14.000 years old.
    During the last glacial period races lived on different places as today. The mongolian people for instant, appeared in northern Asia 40.000 years ago. Their typically face was an adaption against the cold climate. At the end of the ice age they left northern Asia and walked to east-Asia and some crossed the landbridge to Alaska. The black hunters from the east asian coast followed the coastline by watercrafts to the north – along the Aleut island to the coast of Alaska and to the American westcoast, they came to S-America 15.000 years ago. 10 years ago most of the archeologists didn`t agreed. But since we have the proof by the mtDNA, we know it for sure. Black hunters came along the Westcoast to S-America, they had the same ancestors like the melansian-australoid race and like the Drawidas in India.
    As they left Eastern Africa some 80.000 years ago, they followed the southasian coastline till to SE Asia and some arrived in Australia 60.000 years ago. Pretty early!!
    During the ice age these black hunters and gatherer were widespreaded all over Eastern and Southern Asia plus Australia and the Melanesian islands.
    You mentioned, the first people in Japan and Korea were black, related to the SE-Asian negroid race. Japan and Taiwan were connected by landbridges in the ice age.
    Since I know more about the black hunters I can imagine much better, why they were the first humans in S-America. Scientists found out, if black people live in colder condtions some thousends of years, they loose their color and become white. This happend in Europe. First H.sapiens came to Europe 45.000 years ago and lived with the Neandertals around 15.000 years. After 300-400 generations they became white people with blond or brown hair.
    The H.sapiens was a small population 80.000 years ago, because our ancestors had troubles with the climate in East Africa. Firstly rain became uncommon cause the ice age. Secondly the volcanic eruption by “Toba” on Java changed the world climate dramatically as well. Eastern Africa dried out and life disappeared. This small H.sapiens population had no chance to survive in this dry environment. Our ancestors were just a couple of thousend individuals. They left East Africa, some of them went along the southcoast of Asia, some followed the Nile-River to the Mediterranean Sea and populated Europe and some found some better places in West and South Africa.
    Some of the early human races, subspecies of Homo erectus and Homo heidelbergensis still existed 70.000 years ago. It was the Neandertal man, the Peking Man, the Java Man and some more populations of the H.erecuts in Asia and Africa.
    It looks like, the dramatically climate 70.000 years ago and the H.erectus were responsible for the extinction of all Homo erectus groups. All died out – the last was the Java man, they died out 10.000 years ago. Scientists found H.erectus bones in Australia and the last died out at the end of the ice age……..Peter Vienna

  10. waldace

    It’s highly misleading to assert that Tamils have skulls like the Andamese Negritos, the Semang (Malay) Negritos and the coastal New Guineans (Melanesians). Only certain castes (the minority) do. The rest have Caucasian skulls.

  11. waldace

    Peter Garn is a little confused. The Australoid and Proto-Australoid races could not have been ancestors of the black race. The mtDNA does not link other races as a whole with the black race, i.e., the black race is not necessarily every race’s ancestor.

  12. waldace

    Peter Garn is mistaken. The Dravidians of India and the melanesian/australoids are not black. The mtdna shows various races.

  13. Joi

    Wow, what a whole lot of speculating…rubbish.

    Japanese researchers have done DNA sequencing to find the origins of the Japanese. What they found was that Ainus are related to the natives of the Andes. But more importantly it also pertains to the Koreans and Chinese, where it appears the Han Chinese with their 60% unique gene sequence are even more homogeneous than the Koreans at a lower 40%. There is recent write up that also supports this along the paternal lineage of the Chinese. So what does that mean?

    Professor Horai found..”only 4.8% if the Japanese genetic sequence is unique.
    Comparatively, similarities with koreans were 24.2% and Chinese 25.2%
    Ainu and Okinawan genetic sequences were at 25%
    It has proven that the Japanese are a mixture of many ethnicities. On the other hand, Koreans have a 40% unique genetic sequence. Chinese had an even higher 60%
    We have found that the Japanese do not have many distinctive characteristics. We have many similarities with the Asian mainland including Korea and China.”

    The video can be found here:

  14. poobathy

    Veddas are not Tamil at all..
    They are very microscopic minority in that part of the world..

    There are 9 million Tamil all over South India, Sri Lanka, Singapore and Malaysia..

    Where as Veddites are virtually unknown to the common people of India.. They are like the any other tribal ppl of Andaman and Nicobar Islands…living in secluded area..

    There are some Negroid ppl around the coastal Goa and some interior parts of Western Gates.. as well.. They were brought into India by the Portuguese and other Europeans during 17 cent..


  15. cristobal

    Yet again, I see so many mistakes in your blog.It completely destroys your theory with go with genetics. The tamils are not Veddoids and Malaysians are not mixed with veddoids.Malaysians are mostly Taiwanese aborigines,Daic with some who has indian and papuan genes.

    • Look, I am banning you. You’ve been doing this ever since you showed up. You don’t get to talk to me like this on here. You don’t get to take a hostile and confrontational attitude towards me like this.

      You already got warned, and now you are banned.

      PS. Your critiques are completely incorrect.

  16. cristobal

    Actually it’s more accurate to say Malaysians are mostly Taiwanese aborigines austronesian,Daic(tai), austro asiatic with some who has indian ,negrito,papuan genes.

    Genetic shows that indonesians and malaysians paternal genes is most similar to daic or tai of southern china,who carries O2a and O1 and maternally with lots taiwanese aborigines, with some negrito,papuan.
    There is also an generally few percent to some percent of paternal indian genes in malaysians.

  17. Carmen pilar

    Robert lindsay is a racist .

    he thinks light skin is beautiful. how can he I wonder ?
    when he is light but looks like nature’s blunder

  18. Kevin Thompson

    Good information on the theory of black hunters exploring the west of coast of S. America. That explains the Luzia fossil in Brazil. But then you say the dark-skinned peoples of asia “look like blacks” but are “not blacks.” What is color if not a matter of appearance? It would have been more accurate to say the dark-skinned Asians are “dark but not closely related to subSaharan Africans”.

  19. Money2012

    Who is Robert LInsay??? I don’t see any creditability to anything he wrote. It is based solely on his thinkings. Everything I read from him sound very stupid and seems like he pulled it out of his rear end. Being Chinese, korean, Japanese is a nationality, but within that there is different ethnic groups living in any of those countries. People in ancient time migrate to different places. How can a northern chinese, korean, or japanese be related more to whites than southern chinese make no sense. In fact these people look very mongoloid with slanted slit eyes, flat faces, and just very super mongoloid looking so that makes them closer to whites cuz of their skin color?? Skin color does not make a person more caucsasian. You make your stupid mistakes too many times in any of your articles. You are so stupid you post all rubbish on the internet. Where is your creditability in anything you say??? I don’t see any real experts backing you up.
    By the way South korean women are very plastic. Without plastic surgery they look horrible.

  20. What I find interesting is that historically and etymologically terms like “Negro”, negroid, negrito, Melanesian, Ethiopian, and especially “Black” all originally referenced “race” by way of color and appearance first and foremost all over the world. Anthropometrics or Craniometrics came much later, and were not the most reliable science and were debated all the time within the scientific community, because subtle changes on one part of the skull amongst different people dismissed any previous concept or theory that attempted to establish one immutable conclusion about a particular people’s racial classification.

    Regardless of how the science of DNA is being interpreted, or the millenniums of separation, or how each group that is either being viewed as “Blacks” or define themselves as “Blacks” identify themselves uniquely, the bottom line is that the geopolitical and domestic concerns, treatment, and plight of all of these people because of similar hue and phenotypical attributes have been literally identical, and all else is just merely semantics, and so far, genetic science has had very little relevance to these people life-experiences from the cradle to the grave relative to their interactions with “White” Caucasians or Indo-Europeans.

    Ironically, I just reviewed a YouTube posted documentary focused on the historical and present-day willful, persistent, and derogatory us of the word “nigger” by white Australians directed at Black Aborigines in Australia! So what difference does it make to these people well-being, if some white Western geneticist, anthropologist, blogger, or internet pundit deem them as being truly very Dark-skinned Caucasians or Australoid?

    Why is there a driving need to divide and define the Papuan, Negrito, Veddoid , Australoid, Dravidian, Malaysian, Cambodian, Vietnamese, or Filipino in neatly definable separate breeds of people, regardless of any indisputable phenotypic or cultural similarities, when we know there is one thing for sure, if you’re indisputably “white”, than you’re deemed to be part of the supposedly indivisible and uniquely exclusive “white” Caucasian race and history without any further scrutiny or debate.

    This is not about science, this is more so about “Whites” orchestrating and reinforcing a semblance of dominance, power, and control.

  21. Ew. .. Don’t trust this info guys.. It is all wrong , and I don’t think this guy is a geneticist or an anthropologist…

    I think a better place to go would be


  22. sulistyo

    Dear Robert Lindsay
    I thank to your comment about our Country Indonesia.
    I do understand your story sometimes cannot be understood by us the native of Indonesia cause of your lack of Information and lack of your understanding about our history, blood connections, language connections within our great country Indonesia.
    Dear Robert Lindsay,
    I think you several times visited Indonesia and we welcome you well here but I can understand why you have a very white supremacy’s point of view from your angle of perception.
    What you do think as glory for Europeans like you sacrificed and wiped out hundred million native Americans, Native Australians , Asians because of conquesta for Glory , Gospel and Greed by nozzle of guns , famine or desease Thousand tribes extinct by human will.
    Dear Robert Lindsay,
    For thousands year our ancestors taught us the way to lead Nusantara. We have local wisdoms whereas all Nusantara Kingdoms connected one to another by marriage, One as patriarch kingdoms which share the blood to the other kingdom by offering daughter to the neighboring King. If the king have no male offspring he can pick the other kingdoms offspring as the king of his own .
    The loyality of the other kingdoms because of inter marriage among the nobles.
    Even we have very strong connection in our languages.
    You will say inang for calling mother in batak language , Inaq in Sumbawa tongue , Inan in Tetum ( Timor Leste language ), Ina in Key , Ambon , Fak-fak ,Kaimana and Raja ampat languages ( In Papua ).
    If you hardly to find differences among Indonesians and you call us colonize Papua. What do you think Americans , Australians , now ? Their history in the new land is just a blink of eyes. Those are different with our bonds and histories.
    My dear Robert Lindsay.
    Our Nusantara ( Indonesia ) connections in South East Asia are strong , solid and deep Include Papua.
    Please don’t meddling in and messed up our on going process to be a solid country.
    I welcome you to discuss everything including your own country ? Is it fair enough ?
    I also welcome you to stay in my home for free during your quest of humanity in Indonesia.

  23. gogo

    LOL “they look black but they are NOT black” i hope these Melanesian are not buying into that bull shit cause if they come to a country like America no one is going to give them a DNA test before they call them a nigger, i love how white folk are always trying to divide up people of color where ever they go. i think that they should just let these people deiced who they are and just stay out of it.

    • We already done surveyed them my nigga. They got back to us and said, “Thank you very much, but we are NOT Black people.”

      I met a Melanesian chick on the Web once. She was NOT a Black chick. She looked sort of Asiatic, something like a Polynesian maybe.

      • Alex Linder is insane, and yes he wants to preserve the Ainu because he thinks they are White folks.

        Black people are just idiots. They think that if someone looks Black, then they must be Black, but that ain’t the way it works kiddo!

      • Robert Lindsay only fuels the ignorance and stupidity of inferior white people who would like to believe that they are some how superior to all races of humans, especially Black people who they fear the most. Whites are the most inferior people on God’s earth, always trying to steal other people history and culture.. Yes, there is no such race as “Australoid” and Ausronesian he he he. Yes if they look Black, and not only referring to skin color, but facial features and body structure, then they are indeed Black people. If these people had resembled white 4% Neanderthal sub humans in any way of a lesser form, this lunatic Robert Lindsay would be HOOPING and HOLLERING out loud, “They white yall, They white yall, and why s would they look white if they wasn’t white, he he, damn “LUNATIC” I wonder who refer to this lunatic as “doctor” hehe, If he have a doctorate, he most likely bought it “ONLINE” from one of those paper mills, such as “University Of Phoenix”, or “University W/O Walls”. All of this crap is just that, CRAP, CRAP CRAP.

  24. I think,this article is exibit ,many more conceived e.senguttuvan.

    • This idiot says that just because someone looks Black, then they are not Black, HOWEVER, if someone look 4% Neanderthal sub human, white skin, freckles, long straight Orangutan hair, then they are white. WOW, what a “Hypocrite.

      • If you look Black, why would you be something else? How many times does white racist idiots look at Black pharaohs, and say they are reddish brown, and their skin is not black, as if most Black people don’t have dark and reddish brown skin color, more than they do black skin color. After all, black skin color is not the race, since Black people come in many skkin colors and have many types of texture hair. Ancient Ainu’s, Jomon, Thai Mani’s, Malay Orang Aslis, Philippine Aetes, Australian Aborigines, Ancient American Olmec’s were/and are still Black people, no matter how much white idiots tend to write.

      • Don’t you have a blunt and a 40 to attend to back in the hood, nigga?

        • Andy Capp

          i agree Robert im mixed papua new guinean /caucasian and melanesians are not black like u said, something about african diaspora is strange to me they just can’t accept people of dark complexions are not always one of them, they always want to claim another brown or darker person as 1 of them, some just feel inferior to everyone and if they gotta be black so do we, were not allowed to be different in their eyes and have our own culture, they need to wake up and stop claiming every dark skin on the planet, not to mention its offensive im not racist just stating facts melanesians negritoes papuans r not black, on that note we papuans r also melanesians notice u divided us from other melas anyway just cause u look black is not always so.

        • You want to send me a photo? You sound very interesting, White-Papuan mix. Maybe I will even use your photo in a post.

          I do not agree that Papuans and Melanesians are the same or even that they are very close. On skulls, yes, very close. On genes, very far apart, but “Melanesian” includes an incredibly diverse group of people.

        • Andy

          Yes but are u sure u want the photo? while i am mixed race my appearance is Papuan in nature u wouldn’t know im half white unless i mention even my village forgets sometimes i won’t look what u expect since u might use it

        • Go ahead and send it to me. I want to see it.

        • Kaiviti K.V.T

          After reading various comments i have 2 say im glad u Robert understand the difference between Melanesians and blacks dats wat I was looking 4 someone to discuss, i also understand where Andy is coming from with blacks of african descent claiming, fijians, solomon islanders PNGians etc as there own, i dont think they feel inferior they jus dunno who we r. I myself am half fijian and half white and have a predominant fijian appearance and don’t resemble white just like Andy, though my hair type is mixed, on that note i live in USA and am often assumed to be black but not specified most people black or not in this region know little of Oceania so wen i say im fijian they like wats dat? i explain about melanesians but they don understand either cus they don’t want to or just simply don’t understand. Our islands r so far away from the Americas, Caribbean and Africa, our cultures r unheard of 2 dem not all r unaware but a lot r, so we can’t expect dem 2 know but ignorance plays a part as well Also Mr Robert i was aware Papuans were a subgroup of melanesians r they not ?

        • Papuans are absolutely NOT a subgroup of Melanesians on genes in any way, shape or form. Papuan genes look like Aborigines, if anything. Melanesian genes look Oceanic like Polynesians and Micronesians.

  25. Genetic distance/haplogroup/subclade doesn’t determine race. Blacks carry the most genetic variation and genetic diversity on the planet. This means then we have the genetic capability to produce various haplogroups/subcldes and still be of the same race; this also means we can produce any and every feature, hair type, eye shape, eye color, hair color, skin color etc without admixture. Black Australians and Black Melanesians are just that, people of the Black race/diaspora and that’s what many will tell you.

  26. You have many mixed Polynesians and Melanesians who are no longer Black and you have pure Melanesians with no admixture that will tell you the truth:

    In a 1976 interview, Foreign Minister Ben Tanggahma of Papua New Guinea insisted that:
    “Africa is our motherland. All of the Black populations which settled in Asia over the hundreds of thousands of years, came undoubtedly from the African continent. In fact, the entire world was populated from Africa. Hence, we the Blacks in Asia and the Pacific today descend from proto-African peoples. We were linked to Africa in the past. We are linked to Africa in the present. We will be linked to Africa in the future.”

  27. Cam

    You clearly are white. These people are black. There is no evidence that they are no black or furthest away from Africans. These people tell legends that say their ancestors come from East Africa. Just because they are islander doesn’t mean they aren’t black. There are two black races. Negroids and Australoids and Melanesians.

  28. John

    So are you saying that most Filipinos have SOME even if it is little, negrito/australoid genes in them? Or are you saying that most Filipinos have practically no negrito/australoid genes in them in he same way the North East Asians and come Europeans don’t, while obviously SOME Filipinos interbred with australoids resulting in the negritos/australoids you see today.

    • JOHN

      Filipinos have more Aztec or Arab blood in them than Aeta. Malaysians did not like them and evidently they settled Philippines as boat-faring communities with their own women.

      They are unmixed and isolated.

  29. JOHN

    Indonesians and Malaysians and then Chinese are surprisingly unmixed with them. I’ve seen them in Baguio and Central Philippines.

    I once asked why they were an unmixed and a Filipino said rudely that some races of women are so ugly “you’d rather jerk off”.

    Malays and Polynesians and Indonesians are quite callous towards them. They are very primitive.

    They are way black and a different race. Malays and Indonesians who constitute the basic predominate population base are racist against them.

    Modern-day Filipinos are Malays, Hispanic Mestizos (To various degrees) and sometimes have Chinese blood.

  30. JOHN

    I once asked a Luzon Filipino why after waves of Indonesians, Malaysians, Spanish, Mexicans, Americans having sex to create today’s Filipinos the Aeta are so unmixed.

    “Sometimes you’re rather jerk off if a woman is that ugly” was his response.

  31. Khan

    Are Filipinos part of the Australoid race? Or are they more like other asians are part of the Mongoloid race and the reason for being brown is simply because of the living conditions just like the native americans

    • They are absolutely Mongoloids. They do have some Australoid mix I believe. They are basically Australoids transitioning to Mongoloids, but because they are turning into Mongoloids, we call them Mongoloids. I would call them Paleomongoloids.

      • John

        so if Filipinos are part australoid that means other south east asians like Indonesians, malaysians and even Vietnamese are also part australoid.

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