What Is the Difference Between a Neomongoloid and a Paleomongoloid?

Steven writes:

What’s the difference between Paleomongoloid and Neomongoloid? You got a post on this?

Paleomongoloids are more archaic Mongoloids. Amerindians, Filipinos, Nagas, most SE Asians, Ryukuyans, Indonesians, and Taiwanese aborigines are all probably Paleomongoloids.

The base Asian type is Australoid. 2,000-9.000 YBP, Asian base Australoid types began transitioning to Mongoloids.

The Australoid is the archaic Asian type, and the Mongoloid is the fully transitioned more progressive type.

Koreans, Nivkhis, Eskimos, Mongolians, many Siberians, Japanese, and Northern Chinese are all Northern Neomongoloids. The transition began 9,000 YBP in the north. The Ainu represent the base type that transitioned to Neomongoloid in the north.

In the South, Southern Chinese, most of the ethnics in Southern China especially Yunnan, Hmong, Mien, and Vietnamese at least are Southern Neomongoloids. The transition happened much later in the South, 2,000-5,000 YBP.

Because it happened so much later, a lot of people in the south are not fully transitioned, hence they are considered to be Paleomongoloids or Australoid-Mongoloid transitionals. In the South, the Paleos are Taiwanese aborigines, most SE Asians, Filipinos, Indonesians and Naga at the very least. Polynesians and Micronesians are also probably Paleomongoloids.

Paleomongoloids to the north include the Ryukuyans and the Ainu.

Amerinds are often considered to be Paleos because they seem to represent a more archaic Mongoloid type than say the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese or even the Eskimos.


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What Race Is This Man?

What race is this obviously Asian man?

What race is this obviously Asian man?

The only thing I will tell factually about this man is that he is from Singapore. After that, you need to guess. As you know, there are three principal ethnicities in Singapore.

Personally, I think he looks Southeast Asian. Not knowing who he was, I might say that was Lao or Filipino. Obviously he is Southeast Asian. Part of me wants to say Southern Chinese, but most Southern Chinese do not look like this. Perhaps a few do, I have no idea.

Racially, he is not Neomongoloid. He is clearly Paleomongoloid, but Paleomongoloid is almost synonymous with SE Asian anyway.

I will put the answer in the comments.


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Numbing Out As Either a Symptom-Derived or Core-Derived

Messi writes:

Schizoids are really attached to their aloofness for some reason. I don’t really get it, it just makes me feel vulnerable and trapped.

As for the neurology vs. psychology argument, I’m not sure. Some parts are unquestionably neurological – you can’t “think” your way out of flat affect. Yet at the same time, the most effective tips are usually psychological.

It seems like their 2-levels of schizoid-ness. There’s the emotional depersonalization and blunted affect, which can only be fixed through physical changes like sleep deprivation, anemia or medication, and the psychological layer beneath it with the withdrawal and vulnerability. You can’t work on the bottom layer without breaking through the top first.

It is looking like the top layer of schizoidness is the symptom cluster and it seems to be biological. In this case the numbing is core-derived in the brain. This can only be altered as Messi points out by actually changing your brain.

The commenter points out that he doubts if you can think your way out of a flat affect. I would add that I doubt if you can think your way to a true flat affect either.

What is the difference between flat, blunted and constricted affect? A therapist told me I have constricted affect but not a blunted or flat affect.

I used to be very emotional but I just deliberately and gradually numbed myself out in order to cope with a lot of ugly life stresses. At the time, I could not think of any other way to cope. Every time something awful would happen to me or around me, I would feel myself numbing out just a bit more. It seemed to be a perfectly logical thing to do. I wasn’t even thinking about it or whether or not it was a good idea, I was just doing it without questioning it as there didn’t seem to be any alternative.

I do not really mind that much but it is true that a lot of people really do not like it one bit. They think I am Spock or a robot. It’s not true as I do have emotions, but it more than they are muted in terms of showing them to the outside world. I have been trying to get my emotions back for many years now since I pretty much deliberately killed them off, but I do not seem to be able to do so. Why that is I have no idea.

I know a lot of wildly emotional people, mostly females.

Quite a few girlfriends have been like this. I remember once I was lying in bed with a girlfriend one morning and she was looking at me and suddenly she looked stunned and she said, “You don’t have any feelings. How come you don’t have any feelings?” She was a notorious emotional rollercoaster, probably a Borderline, though she was wildly, head over heels, out of her mind in love with me. I said, “I don’t want to end up like you. Look at you. That’s what happens to emotional people. Your emotions are all over the place, here, there and everywhere. I don’t want to be like that.” She seemed to think that was a pretty good answer.

Also I look around at Man World and it seems like in US Man World, a lot of men have pretty much cut off or shut down their feelings. That seems to be simply a normal way of being a mature, adult, masculine man. We use words like “businesslike, controlled and stable” to refer to these people. So I feel that by numbing out, I am just being a normal, masculine man in my society. What’s wrong with that? Men are not supposed to be all emo.

I remember when I was pretty emotional, it seemed like every time I got emo people, mostly men, would start giving me a hard time about it. They acted like I was screwing up or blowing it by showing those emotions. I guess the message really is, “You’re acting like a girl.”

The whole message I got is that in Man World they want you pretty much shut down. One thing was for sure, that’s that you can’t get sad. In and in the world of offices, you can’t get mad either. The life of many middle class men in our society seems to be, “You can’t get mad and you can’t get sad.” Of course a lot of them do anyway, so what you find is a lot of men masking rage and especially depression with drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, workaholism, and probably numbing out.

I hear that all sorts of folks numb themselves out and you should not confuse this symptom-derived numbing with core-derived personality structure numbing, which may be biological, as in the case of schizophrenia, schizoid PD and schizotypal PD.

In the former type a formerly emotionally full person simply numbs out as a defense mechanism to cope with life. Probably emotionality is recoverable somehow and anyway, in most cases, they are probably not as numbed out as you might think. A lot of them probably have emotions that they are just hiding pretty well.

In the latter case the numbing out is a core essential part of the personality structure, possibly biologically mediated. If it is biologically derived, there was never a full emotional life to numb out in the first place. They were numbed out biologically from Day One.


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A Case of Schizotypal Personality Disorder

From here, an apparent case of Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I do not understand this disorder very well. It seems like they might have something wrong with their brains. It is much more common in close relatives of those with schizophrenia. It almost looks like a very mild form of schizophrenic illness. I’ve never had a client with this problem, I’ve never seen a case of it in my life and I would have a hard time diagnosing it.

If there is something wrong with their brains, then why call it a personality disorder? Is there any evidence that this is actually a defensive structure or personality style as opposed to more of an Axis 1 type symptom-based rather than Axis 2 core-based illness?

Although I have never seen a case of it, this case history looks remarkably like what I think it looks like. Note that this man has received two diagnoses from afar, Paranoid Schizophrenia and Schizotypal Personality Disorder. Paranoid Schizophrenia is not correct. An unmedicated full blown Paranoid Schizophrenic would not have been regularly employed for long after the onset of illness. He would not have married three times and fathered a son after the onset of illness. His behavior and attire would not remarkably improve after a woman married him and could more or less take care of him. An untreated schizophrenic would not have it together no matter how much mothering his wife gave him.

This man has never been hospitalized or diagnosed and I doubt if he has ever set foot in a clinician’s office. Part of the problem with getting types to come in is that they are so nuts and paranoid and they literally are too crazy and suspicious to come in to see a clinician. Obviously the clinician is one of the enemies who is plotting against him. This man obviously doesn’t think there is anything wrong with him, so that’s another reason why he will never show up.
I think it is quite clear that this man is not normal in any way, shape or form and he is so ill that his behavior goes way beyond eccentricity and free-sprited Bohemian creative type all the way off into serious pathology and craziness. It looks like this illness also limits his life in some pretty important ways too. But apparently he doesn’t think he has a problem. If there’s any problem, apparently it’s with other people. Which is pretty Axis 2-like right there.

My dad is very messed up. Extremely. He was abusive and traumatized my whole family.

His appearance is pretty eccentric. His hair and beard are wild and stained from cigarettes. He wears really dirty clothes covered in industrial glue or varnish from his job… in public. This all goes away if his wife (who he’s had three of) takes care of him.

He has really intense, sometimes bizarre beliefs about politics. I remember him once calling me up to talk about how his wife was “stealing his liberty.” As in, the liberty due him from the founding fathers of the US.

He’s paranoid to an extreme. He used to throw the telephone away because he thought people were listening. He thinks that people stalk him. He thinks co-workers are secretly taking nude photos of him and putting them on the internet. I can tell you he has NEVER used a computer let alone the internet… all because he’s paranoid.

He used to call me up after watching a news report about terrorism to warn me about the NYC subway I take to work everyday. I tried to reassure him by telling him my particular train is not a target because it isn’t well used. He told me that’s what, “they wanted me to think.”

He strongly dislikes most institutions: banks, universities, governments,

He has no friends at all. Never has.

He spends his time in basements or attics.

He’s very smart, but has no interest in making money to support himself.

My mom and his former wife, an LCSW, thinks he’s schizophrenic. My therapist says he sounds like schizotypal.

BUT… if you asked if he was paranoid, he’d say no. If you asked if he was eccentric, he’d say he just thinks differently from most people (with a kind of superior attitude). If you asked why he doesn’t have friends, he’d say he prefers being alone.

Regardless, anyone else can easily see that he’s really, seriously, an odd person.

Any of this make sense to people dx with schizotypal?

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What Is the Non-European Element among Mediterranean Caucasoids?

Sam writes:

I think most Meds are White but some don’t seem to be. What are the admixtures of the ones that aren’t White?

All European Mediterranean Caucasoids are White. That means 100% of them. The % of non-White Meds is effectively zero.

Some of them have some African in them, but some say it is North African Caucasoid. The most frequent mix is North African Caucasoid from 42,000 YBP way back to the very birth of the Caucasoid race. This race was birthed around the Horn of Africa, Arabia and the Red Sea. I do not know who their ancestors are nowadays, but they may be the Caucasoid element in Horners like Ethiopids.

There is also a Berberid element, especially in Iberia. It is most prominent way up in the north of Spain in Cantabria, where it can represent up to 41% of the genome.

Where there is any Sub Saharan Black DNA among Meds is quite controversial.


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Northern Europeans Versus Southern Europeans

Mikhail8151994 writes:

Are Spaniards and other Modern Mediterraneans identical to English and Northern Europeans?

I would be lying if I said they were not different, but I am no Nordicist. There is no greater plague on this planet than Nordicism, the war waged by the Northern Europeans against all of their Caucasian brothers and sisters, whom they hate with intensity and disown with utter disdain. Despicable, vile, scummy, awful human beings.


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Not All Psychological Disorders Are in the DSM

David Mowers writes:

What would you consider to be a condition of someone who was introverted to the point of Anhedonia but on occasion has schizoid breaks with reality assaulting other people but in such a way as to be fully in control and capable of avoiding legal punishment for their actions?

In fact, was so fully confident in their ability to do anything that they did such without consideration of social conditions, rules or laws to the point that they appeared extroverted to others?

First of all, those would not be schizoid breaks. The only schizoid symptom here in the withdrawal to the point of anhedonia.

Second, I would say that this aggressive behavior is highly choreographed, stylized, shrewd, devious and manipulative. This is not typical aggressive behavior. Instead, this person is acting out a carefully plotted and planned out aggressive act as if they were acting a role in a play. In other words, for some reason, with this aggressive behavior, they are “putting on a show” for some reason.

There is also a lot of cocky overconfidence in the way this person describes how they can expertly choreograph this aggression in such a way as to avoid punishment. I’d say there is some narcissism going on there. This person is way too overconfident and it’s probably going to get them in trouble some day if it hasn’t already.

But this is not any known psychological disorder in terms of an actual documented syndrome. Is the person happy or unhappy with this behavior? How do they feel about the anhedonia?

It is important to note that many things that cause psychological distress are not really diagnosable DSM disorders. All sorts of things cause distress in life, and individuals experience distress in all sorts of ways that do not necessarily line up with diagnosable conditions.

I have had clients who clearly had something obviously wrong with them, but they did not meet criteria for any known DSM disorder. Sure, they had symptoms of one or more disorders, but not enough to meet criteria for any one of them in particular.

Human beings are variable, and it is all too common for someone to present with a symptom or two of a more than one disorder. If you add them all up and throw the ingredients all together, you can bake up something called a disorder, but it typically is not in the DSM nor does it look like anything described but not in the DSM. In other words, it is not a known “syndrome.”

Often it is hard to even say if the disorder is an anxiety disorder, a mood disorder, a substance use disorder, etc. You can have mood, anxiety, disassociate, personality, substance use and even psychotic symptoms all presenting at once in a single individual. In these cases, you don’t even have the option of diagnosing Anxiety Disorder NOS, Mood Disorder NOS, Psychotic Disorder NOS, etc. The person has simply piled a group of symptoms together in a one from column A, three from column B, two from column 3, etc. fashion.

Unfortunately, this sort of thing is quite common. A lot of times you end up treating individual symptoms and defenses instead of whole packages called disorders, which probably makes more sense in  a lot of cases anyway.

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The Lowdown on Psychotherapy

Juliette Kochenderfer-Moore writes:

I also question why some people want to work in therapy sometimes, and the endless job titles have my head spinning.

Is a  therapist the same as a counselor? What the hell is a psychotherapist? A psychoanalyst? Are a psychologist and psychiatrist the same thing?

Seriously. Most of them seem totally bored out of their minds at what they do for a living. Why are we paying bucket loads of money to go get labeled and undergo “treatment,” of which the success rate is dubious?

Most are not bored, most therapists enjoy what they are doing, I have liked most of my therapists, and I thought most of them were very smart.

Also it can be very good money. Licensed therapists can make a lot of money.

I can legally call myself a therapist, but I do not want to as I am not licensed.

Anyone can be a “counselor” in California. Even you can. But hardly anyone does it because realistically, who is going to pay you good money to sit there and listen to their problems?

I do not think psychotherapist is a regulated term either, but I would not call myself one. Basically this is someone with a credential – in California, either a Clinical Psychologist, a Psychiatrist, a Masters in Social Work, or a Licensed Clinical Social Worker.

A psychoanalyst practices Freudian psychoanalysis. This seems to be going out, as a lot of it has not stood up to scientific scrutiny.

A psychologist is a Clinical Psychologist. They have a PhD. Most of them are extremely good.

A psychiatrist is an MD. They are medical doctors. I don’t like them quite as much as the Clinical Psychologists. I think Clinical Psychologists actually understand psychology and the psyche better than Psychiatrists. Nowadays Psychiatrists are mostly just drug pushers. If you want drugs, you need to go to a Psychiatrist.

Therapy is costly. I think psychotherapy is a luxury good that is available only in wealthy societies. You don’t really need it, but it can really make you feel better. I am convinced that many to even most 3rd World people could benefit from psychotherapy, but their societies are too poor, so they cannot afford these things.

Labeling is generally a good idea. Only 14% of the population has a personality disorder. That’s not a lot. Most people with a PD diagnosis definitely are very difficult people at best, I assure you. I say this because I have known a number of Personality Disordered persons for decades, and they are truly impossible and infuriating human beings. There is no way on Earth that is normal behavior. It’s not acceptable to act abrasive and annoying such that you screw up your own life and that of everyone around you. That’s not a definition of mental health.

Most people with anxiety disorders really have them. If you do diagnosis properly, and you put the person on the right drug, it is amazing what you can do.

I think it is incredible just how “syndromal” a lot of these conditions are. I work with OCD people, and this is a syndrome if I ever saw one. All of these people seem like they are reading off the same script. I know them so well that I can almost spot one half a mile away blindfolded. Also I can practically crawl up around in the brains of my clients and tell them exactly what they are thinking because I know exactly how this illness makes you think.

The Personality Disorders are also very “syndromal,” often shockingly so.

Why so many mental disorders look nearly as syndromal as physical disorders is a mystery, but I think a good answer might be that of all of the possible ways of acting crazy, humans are somehow limited to a small subset of all such craziness due to the limitations of the human brain and condition. In other words, because there are only a certain number of ways to go nuts, humans tend to go nuts in very syndromal like patterns that look a lot like physical illnesses in the way they seem to come as a “package.”

Some people are so nervous that they just do not function well. Others are going round and round about other anxiety like conditions. Panic Disorder is crippling. PTSD is a very bad illness.

Depression is real. I have known some depressives who simply cannot function at all due to extreme depression. It is almost like they have a physical condition.

Bipolar disorder is as straight up syndrome, and these people are just not well. It’s not even really ok to be hypomanic. They’re not rational, they don’t act very sensibly, and the irritable ones are insufferable jerks who quarrel and fight with everyone all the time. Full blown mania is so non-adaptive that the person almost needs to be committed so they don’t completely destroy their lives during the episode.

It’s not ok to be psychotic. Psychotic people cannot function and are often a danger to themselves or others. They desperately need to be treated.

Schizophrenia is a full-blown illness in which there is something wrong with their brains.

Many of these illnesses are highly genetic, with Manic Depression and OCD showing some of the highest loadings of all, near 85%. Obviously these people simply have something wrong with their brains.

Psychotherapy is overpriced, but we are all doing therapy with each other all the time. Anytime you talk to any of your friends or loved ones about any psychological stuff they have going and try to give them advice on how to deal with it, you are doing therapy. Anytime you try to help people to live their lives better, function better, quit making dumb mistakes and stop engaging in unhealthy behavior patterns, you are doing psychotherapy.

The problem is that most people do not want to help you get over your troubles or teach you how to function better and quit doing nonadaptive things. Also therapists have a lot of training, and they are simply better than your ordinary person off the street at such things.

But really anytime you talk to a very wise person who gives you a lot of good wisdom on how to live your life, solve your problems, function better and stop doing non-adaptive things, you are basically getting psychotherapy, as the best therapists are simply very wise people who help you by sharing some of their wisdom with you.

Psychotherapy works very well, and it certainly works as well as the competition.

What is the competition?

Get better on your own? Talk to your friends and family get them to talk you out of it? Go to church? Read some books? Get a girlfriend or boyfriend? Get a better job? Move to a new area? Join a cult? Join a self-help movement? Go to the gym? Read Manosphere Blogs and learn Game?

None of that stuff works as well as psychotherapy for helping people with diagnosed proven psychological disorders. And none of it works as well as psychotherapy for even problems in living, growth work (trying to grow as a person) or deep work (trying to delve into the depths of your psyche and figure yourself out).

The only thing that works better than psychotherapy for a lot of things is drugs. These are psychiatric drugs and they do have a lot of side effects.

Really the best treatment is psychotherapy + drugs.

I deal with OCD’ers. When OCD is very bad, I feel that psychotherapy is useless. The person’s mind is just too far gone for the therapy to do any good work. It’s like banging your head into a wall. You can do the therapy over and over, but it won’t sink in because there is something wrong with your brain. Therapy with a messed up brain is like filling up the gas tank of a car with serious mechanical problems. That gas won’t get you very well (in other words, it won’t even work well) until you fix the car so it can run well enough to even use the gas in the first place. Once you fix up the car, now you can put gas in it, change the oil, check the fluids and all of that, and that’s finally useful.

On the other hand, drugs alone don’t seem to really cut it. I have found that when you are on a really good drug, you can start using all the great stuff you learned in psychotherapy, and now the therapy really starts working. The sad thing is that psychotherapy works best on a fairly healthy brain. You have to get your brain into a fairly healthy place to where the therapy can even function at all.


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Behavior in Manic Episodes: An Overview

Jason Y writes:

Seems like some of them can go into a rage when not on meds. Breaking phones, computers.

I do not know much about schizophrenic violence, but I can definitely attest on a first hand basis that during the manic phase of manic depression, people can be quite violent.

There are different types of manic episodes: Hypomanic, euphoric,  and irritable/angry/violent/paranoid. They can also be psychotic at times, but manics usually are not psychotic.

This post will describe the irritable/angry/violent/paranoid manic.

These types tend to be psychotic for briefer periods and wild, violent, dangerous,  and criminal yet not psychotic for longer periods

They can be very verbally hostile and violent, pretty much trying to pick fights and start fights with various people nearly every day. They scream, yell, threaten and menace people a lot. They also do minor violence like throwing food around, throwing objects, breaking windows, throwing cordless phones. In addition, they smash toilet seats and they are very found of smashing holes in walls and doors.

It is not uncommon for them to acquire weapons during this phase, either guns or knives. Sometimes the guns don’t even work, but they use them to threaten their enemies anyway. Showdowns with enemies with one or more parties armed with guns, knives or swords are fairly common. Manics grab baseball bats, poles and sticks and chase enemies, usually ordinary strangers, down streets howling abuse at them and throwing the weapon at the stranger as the stranger runs away in terror. The manic will explain that the stranger out for a stroll at night was really one of the enemies in an elaborate disguise.

Mania is a time of extreme aggression, guaranteed violence, regular menace and often enough brandishing of weaponry.

Housemates of manics often end up arming themselves to defend against the manic, often with knives. Some carry weapons around with themselves fulltime to defend against possible attacks by the manic. Housemates frequently pull weapons, often household knives, on manics in self-defense during fights and showdowns.

They also steal a lot like drug addicts, and if you live with them, pretty soon you are going to have to start hiding your money, car keys, dope, etc. They will even sneak into your bedroom at night while you are sleeping to steal car keys, money, etc.

They are basically a total menace and a lot of them act like sociopathic criminals and seem to become almost completely evil. A guy I know has a relative who goes manic from time to time and when he goes manic, my friend says, “He turns into Charles Manson.”

They have no attention span whatsoever and are always leaving doors open, leaving the stove on with things cooking on it, forgetting things, etc. They start something, get halfway through it, get distracted and go off to something else so everything ends up half done including meals and just about any task. Their personal hygiene declines a lot for some reason. Often they take to wearing the same clothes for days on end. They sleep in their clothes, often with the lights on and music blaring. It’s not uncommon for them to start smelling bad after a while, possibly because they sleep in their clothes, don’t change their clothes often, etc.

If they are smokers, they will dramatically increase their smoking often by 2-3X the previous level. If they are drinkers, they will often drink very heavily to the point where they are drunk most of the time. If they are driving around when they do this, they will soon get one or more DUI’s.

Property destruction is very common, either their own or other people’s property. They may even destroy most of their own property for no apparent reason. They can also destroy other people’s property, smash up objects or steal others clothing, pile it and set it on fire. They may also set some of their own property on fire, especially clothing.

Manics commonly make public loud, often violent and menacing public scenes which can attract the attention of the police. The manic runs out to the divider of a major highway, takes off their shirt, screams and yells violent threats and sets the shirt on fire in the highway median. Or the manic runs onto a highway median with a baseball bat and runs up and down the median swinging the bat wildly and threatening their enemies.

Arrest and imprisonment during a manic episode is very common. The friend I quoted above says the family member who goes manic always gets arrested at least once during most every manic episode. They are often arrested for minor crimes like DUI or disturbing the peace. Often people who are victimized by the manic are reluctant to press charges because the manic is so obviously insane that it seems wrong to hold them criminally responsible for whatever they have done. If they are arrested, they are usually released very quickly. The manic will raise Hell in the jail, destroying his cell, rattling the bars of his cell endlessly and engaging in a lot of loud screaming and yelling, often with threats or violent overtones. They raise such Hell in jail that they often attract the attention of jailers. The ensuing confrontation will typically end up with the manic being beat up, sometimes badly, the by the jailers and police in the jail.

Sometimes manics are out in public looking and acting so crazy that police officers take them in simply because they seem so out of it. The officers do it our of sheer concern for the manic’s safety. The manic simply appears too out of it to be wandering about in public. In these cases, the manic will be held for a day or two at most and then released.

They usually do not go psychotic but sometimes they can become psychotic. Often they are seriously crazy, but if you closely examine them and think about what they are saying, doing and believing, they really are not psychotic. They aren’t crazy, they are “wild and crazy.”

For instance, a manic, dressed in rags with wild eyes, may thrown up their arms and yell, “I am Jesus Christ!” If you ask them if they are really Jesus, they will forget about and move on to some other topic, or say it was a joke or an allegory.

But sometimes there are psychotic episodes, often paranoid psychoses. If a manic does not have a single enemy on Earth, they will quickly accumulate a number of enemies within a few months of a manic episode. Many of the people encountered during the episode will be transformed by the manic into “enemies.” These can include friends, family members, employers, drug dealers, bank employees, police, etc. If you are in close proximity to a manic for a few months and don’t manage to get transformed into an enemy, consider yourself lucky.

They may stop eating because housemates are poisoning their food. Housemates, friends or banks are typically accused of stealing their money and many conflicts result as the manic confronts the “thieves” about the “stolen money.” For instance, a manic may blow through a large bank savings of say $10-15,000 very quickly in a matter of a few months in the middle of an episode. Then when they realize they have no money, they will accuse the bank of stealing their money. This will result in numerous trips to the bank and angry, sometimes menacing or even violent arguments, confrontations and showdowns with the “thieves” at the bank.

The enemies may make regular rounds to their home, leaving calling cards and destroying things here and there. The enemies come by the house and damage the manic’s vehicle. They set up surveillance stations outside the manic’s home where they keep the manic under surveillance at all times. They may become convinced that the world is going to end.

Confidence increases greatly. A single male manic who rarely dates suddenly has a girlfriend.

Most manics are not hospitalized during their episodes unless they are wildly psychotic. But wildly psychotic manics are atypical. More common is the wild, violent behavior, fleeing delusions and paranoia. Often others make frequent attempts to hospitalize the manic by calling the police. However, many manics, curiously enough, no matter how crazy they are acting, are able to remarkably pull themselves together and present themselves as quite sane when the police show up. If hospitalized, they quickly become “sane” in the hospital and are ordered to be discharged. They can become angry, threatening, menacing and even violent towards psychiatrists who are evaluating them for admittance. Some manics appeal their hospitalization, go to court, appear completely sane and are ordered released. When the police show up to take in a manic on a 5150 (danger to oneself or others) commitment call, 80-90% of the time, the manic will pull themselves together and appear completely sane to the officers. Manics can be wildly manipulative and conniving like the finest psychopaths and they can even earn the sympathy of the police officer. The manic expertly spins a brilliantly elaborated made-up stories, often with the full range of emotions from outrage to tears in a performance rivaling that of a professional actor. The manic will go on about how these evil people who called the cops on them were victimizing them and committing crimes against him in all sorts of ways. The police who have come to commit the manic often end up being won over by the manic, side with the manic and blame the victims for the “crimes” they have committed against the “poor, innocent” manic.

The fact that the craziest manics around can completely pull themselves together and appear cool as a cucumber and sane as can be leads many to believe that manics are engaging in a lot of this behavior on purpose and there may be something to that.

Manics stay up all night long making all sorts of racket, playing loud music and occasionally screaming, yelling and threatening others. You never sleep well with a manic in the house. They sleep, if at all, only a few hours a day, and often at odd hours, typically in the daytime with no particular regular schedule.

They are absolutely unaware that they are ill no matter how crazy they are. They hardly sleep at all. They quickly blow through any money they have and then they are broke and begging or menacing everyone around them for money. Then the manic begins to sell or pawn off all of their possessions in order to get money.

The vast majority of ordinary people have no understanding whatsoever of manic-depressive illness and are unable to identify mania even when it is displayed right in front of their face. Charming hypomanics are often regarded as completely sane and even exemplary people. People who meet them think they just met the coolest person around and are mystified at others who insist that the manic is ill. Angry, irritable, paranoid manics are typically not recognized as ill as almost everyone has zero understanding of mania. Hence there are various attempts to explain the behavior away via other explanations. Laypeople often think that these types of manics are on drugs such as glue, meth or cocaine. Others simply think the manic is a frightening, menacing, dangerous, violent criminal type of person who belong in a jail or prison. They look at a manic and can’t see the illness so they simply see a criminal who needs to be put away. Others think the manic is simply an unstable, hotheaded, violent type, a crank, a kook or a loose cannon ho should be avoided at all costs.

If they have a job, they are guaranteed to lose it in the manic phase because no one will continue to hire any human being who acts like that. Sometimes they can get another job, but then they will lose that one too. If they have an apartment, they will get evicted. And a number of times, they even lose their vehicles in a variety of ways. Bottom line is unless you have some rescue system, a manic episode is a short trip to homelessness.

The manic episode ends after 5-8 months. They often start in the spring and end in the fall, often beginning right around the spring equinox and ending right around the fall equinox. At other times, an episode begins around the fall equinox and ends around the spring equinox. The episodes seem to be tied into the seasons in some unknown way, possibly having to do with the number of daylight hours in the day.

When the episode ends, the manic’s life lies in ruins. If he had a car, it’s now gone. Any job they had was lost and any new jobs they got during the episodes were lost. If they had an apartment, they were evicted. They will have sold or pawned most of their possessions. Their body bears the brunt of 6 months of heavy drug, alcohol and tobacco use. They have destroyed most if not all of their friendships and burned through most of their relationships. These people generate a lot of hatred in others and it is common that former friends and relatives say they hate the manic, never want to see them again and with they were dead. The manic comes to, the episode ends, and unbelievably, the manic is often back to their old self, which is typically as normal as anyone else you might meet walking down the street. It is very hard to believe that this completely normal person was a crazed, terrifying maniac only a few months prior.

The manic is none the wiser for all of his wild and dangerous and destructive adventures. In fact, he has learned nothing at all except maybe that people are mean and the world is out to get them.

The manic typically refuses to acknowledge that they were ill during the episode and instead tries to explain it away in different ways. The doctor gave them some pills that made them “a little wild.” it was all the fault of those pills. They manic was “sick” or “not feeling well” or “upset.” The manic will continue to nurse all of the conflicts that they developed during the episode. The manic will blame others for all of the bad things that happened during the episode, the loss of vehicle, job or jobs, housing, arrest and imprisonment, hospitalization, fights, violence or showdowns, and loss of income, which will be blamed on “the thieves.” Even many years later, the manic will remember the episode as a time of great injustice when thieves stole money from them and everyone around them turned into evil criminals who endlessly victimized them for no reason. Housemates or others who pulled weapons on the manic in self-defense will be referred to as maniac criminals who tried to kill the poor, innocent manic. The loss of the vehicle will be blamed on others, usually “the thieves.” The employers will be referred to as terrible people who unjustly fired the manic for no reason whatsoever. All behavior done in the episode, no mater how crazed or insane, will either be denied or explained away as completely logical. A manic takes all of his expensive electronic equipment to the balcony of his apartment and throws it down to the ground, smashing $1,000’s worth of TV’s, record players, CD and DVD players, guitars, speakers, amps, musical equipment into pieces on the ground. Years later, the manic will righteously defend this behavior as completely rational and angrily blame the people who called the police on him as evil, horrible people who got him arrested for no reason at all.

If you tell the manic they were mentally ill during that period, they will either laugh it off or more commonly will angrily deny it. Some manics even threaten to beat up or punch out anyone who says they are mentally ill. When well, former manics often assault those who say they were mentally ill during the period or who say that the former manic has mental illness that needs treatment.

Manic depressive illness is hard to treat. They are usually not ill enough to be committed even during wild episodes. While manic, they have no insight whatsoever and aggressively deny that they are ill. It’s hard to treat somebody who angrily denies that they are ill in the first place. When they come out of the episode, they are often quite sane, so it appears that there is nothing to treat in the first place, and the manic has typically framed the episode in such a way as to explain it is something more than mental illness.


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Our Common Australoid Past

Khan1983 writes:

I have read somewhere that Southeast Asian and North Eurasian split around 50,000 years ago while Caucasian and Northeast Asian split around 30,000 years ago. By genetic, would this mean that Mongoloid phenotype is just a convergent evolution of both Northeast Asian and some Southeast Asian (S. Chinese & Vietnamese)?

I doubt if the figure for Southeast Asian and North Eurasian splitting at 50,000 YBP is correct. The Asian race began in northern Vietnam 51,000 YBP. But who did they split off from? Was this the date of the SE Asian-North Eurasian split? I do not think anyone knows what those people looked like but skulls from 25,000 YBP in Thailand look like Aborigines and skulls from Vietnam 22,000 YBP look Melanesian. Also skulls from India 25,000 YBP look like Aborigines.

And about these elusive North Eurasian people, lost in the mists of time – could the very mysterious Caucasoid-like Chukchi and Ainu be all that remains?

Caucasian and Northeast Asian could not have split off that late. Cavalli-Sforza says that Caucasian split off in part from Northeast Asian 42,000 YBP. We do not know exactly what those people looked like, but a skull from 7,000 years after the creation of the Caucasian race from southern Russia has been characterized as Australoid.

So from 22,000-35,000 YBP in a belt from Caucasus – India – Thailand – Vietnam, all humans were apparently Australoids.

It is starting to look like Australoid types were the basic human type outside of Africa for a very long time, possibly until just recently.

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