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Bigfoot News April 27, 2013

What is shown at the end of Shooting Bigfoot? Shooting Bigfoot is Morgan Matthews’ movie that is said to show Rick Dyer shooting and killing a Bigfoot named Hank in San Antonio, Texas last year. The last 3-5 minutes show either this shooting or as detractors say, an elaborately hoaxed shooting of a Bigfoot.

A source who has seen the film has told me what happens in it. The truth is that there are two Tent Videos. The famous one that you have already seen snippets of was shot on September 6, 2012 in the AM in daylight. This video was shot by Rick with his phone cam and by Morgan with HD video. There is a second Tent Video shot at night when the Bigfoot came back to eat more ribs, the end result being that he was shot and killed by Rick. This video is shot in the dark and you will also see this Tent Video in the movie. So the movie will show both of the Tent Videos.

You will see Rick come out of his tent dressed only in his underwear as he levels his gun at the Bigfoot in the dark (This part you can see in the trailer.) You will see the Bigfoot as it is running away and possibly as the first shot hits it in the back.

Then you will see the Bigfoot circling back around and running very fast towards the camera. At this point, you will see the Bigfoot very up close at it nears Matthews’ camera. Then the camera will go wild as the Bigfoot shoves Morgan aside and Morgan goes flying in the air. Later, Rick picked up Morgan and carried him back to the tent. This is where you see the part in the trailer where Rick is demanding, “Let me see the tape!”

You will not see the Bigfoot up close lying on the ground and you will not see any examination of the Bigfoot. All of that will come later in a movie to be produced by Dyer and his investors. However, that movie will solve nothing either as skeptics will just say that that movie by Dyer et al is hoaxed using props and whatnot.

Footage of large object under a green tarp in the back of a pickup truck in the Shooting Bigfoot trailer is not Hank. I reported earlier that I suspected that that object, which can be seen at two points in the trailer, is Hank’s body. Dyer cleared that up on his radio show by saying that that was not his truck, and he did not know whose truck that was as that was from a part of the movie that he did not take part in.

Here is the Shooting Bigfoot trailer again for reference to use in reading the two posts above:

I do not know the name of the casino that now owns Hank. One of my sources knows the name of it, but they won’t tell me, so keep guessing.

Dyer went to a university soon after Hank was killed. After Hank was loaded onto the truck that would transport him to Las Vegas, Dyer et al stopped by a university on their way to Las Vegas. Apparently the Bigfoot was examined at this university. I do not know the name or location of the university.

Composition of the team that is studying Hank. Hank is being housed at a US government research facility near Las Vegas, Nevada. Sources know the name of this facility and the name of the branch of the US government that is housing it, but they will not tell me either.

They told me, “If I told you the branch of the US government that is housing Hank in its facility, you could probably locate the facility quickly if you were smart.” A special team has been tasked to work with, study and protect Hank. This team is made up of professors from universities at various different locales in the US. That is all I know about the team.

Why so many Bigfooters hate Rick Dyer. Mostly it is over his hoax of 2008, however, I do feel that if Rick sincerely apologized for that hoax instead of gloating over it as he does, as lot of decent Bigfooters (especially us Christians) would forgive him and say give him another chance.

It is important to note that the 2008 hoax was actually two separate hoaxes: first that he had a Bigfoot, then that the Men In Black’s (MIB’s) stole it. The next year, there was another dual hoax, as he said he had another dead Bigfoot, but then the MIB’s stole that one too. In between, he was apparently hoaxing people on his expeditions in 2010 by taking $500/head from them and then having his friend run by in the woods with a Bigfoot suit on.

In early 2011, Rick was involved with another hoax in which he presented Bigfoot photos taken in Florida that were obviously Photoshopped. He also tried to defraud a man out of $17,000 when he promised to deliver two Corvettes to the man but never sent them, pocketing the cash instead.

In addition, Steve Kulls has recently found via some superb detective that Rick’s page is full of hoaxed and stolen photos. For instance, there is a page showing photos of Rick’s expeditions, the various folks on them, the scenery, etc. along with a pitch to fork over $500 to go on one of them. Steve has shown that all or most of all of those photos are not of Rick’s expeditions at all. Instead, they are photos stolen off the web of groups of people on camping trips.

Rick also has a video of him cooking the ribs to bait for the Bigfoot in September in San Antonio. However, that video is apparently a fraud, as Steve showed, through excellent sleuthing, that it was actually shot in April 2012 so it could not be a video from September.

So it’s not just one hoax or fraud that Rick has been involved in. He’s been an ongoing hoaxer, fraudster, con man and sometime criminal for at least five years now and possibly longer.

Nevertheless, I feel that if he would act halfway decent, he still might have more supporters. When 80-90% of the community hates your guts, you have to wonder what you might be doing wrong. If it were me, I might try to figure out what I was doing wrong and try to do better next time to try to win some folks back over to my side. Instead, Rick’s behavior seems to be to act as horrible as possible to make his enemies hate him even more and to create as many new enemies as possible.

So he goes on the air and spends most of his time ranting and raving against his many enemies, digging up dirt on them in the sleaziest way possible and threatening them in various ways, in addition to the portrayal of a character afflicted with severe kookery and ultimate douchebaggery so vividly displayed on his website and radio shows. Rick doesn’t exactly play by How to Win Friends and Influence People.

I suppose I just don’t get it. I would say when you’re in a hole, quit digging. Rick seems to collect enemies for fun the way some folks collect baseball cards. Go figure.

David John Jenkins on the role that Facebook Find Bigfoot has played in all of this. I thought he summed up the whole sordid episode very well, and I could not have written this up better myself. Italics mine.

The (Shooting Bigfoot) movie trailer is very consistent with what Dyer has been saying. The production values of the trailer itself and Morgan Matthew’s extensive filmography point to this being a serious undertaking to show what actually happened. Most of the criticism being leveled against FB/FB is malicious and prejudicial without any attempt to present facts and consists mostly of jeering.

The content of FB/FB site has been extensive and consistent with presenting evidence that supports the main thesis of their book You are Sasquatch. Even their interviews and interactions with Dyer remain true to their opinion of what Bigfoot is and what it represents to humankind.

The idea of this as being a hoax conspiracy is not supported by facts and is entirely political in nature based on an intense dislike of Dyer’s character. FB/FB on the contrary has approached all video evidence pertaining to the existence of Bigfoot with the same analytical eye regardless of who the author is. They are not aggressively aligned with any one side but they do stay committed to the conclusions they have made about the great many videos they have authenticated. The authentications are themselves ample proof of the integrity of this site.

The Bigfoot legend is not the creation of overly competitive, jealous rednecks. It began as Native American folklore which has its origins with tribes as far flung as Florida and the Pacific Northwest. That historical fact in itself gives tremendous weight to the idea that there is something mysterious in the woods.

The fossil evidence of ancient hominids proves that human hybrids or ancestors have existed, and stories of Ape men persist across several Continents. It is therefore quite reasonable for many people to embrace this subject with enthusiasm and commitment.

FB/FB has done just that.

Their misfortune has been to find themselves in the cross hairs of people who are intensely angry that their many years of being ridiculed as they wandered the woods will be upstaged by a shameless opportunist like Dyer.

FB/FB of course had no control over that, and if they had been a bit more politically savvy and less enthusiastic they may have avoided all this by downplaying the Tent Video. But that’s not their purpose. Their commitment to this unique American story which through the aid of advances in technology is on the cusp of revealing itself to the modern world.

-DJJ

This is a superbly written piece. Of course Dyer is a shameless opportunist, and that’s what his friends say! You don’t want to know what his enemies say about him. That as big of a jerk as Dyer should be the one who discovers is the most supreme insult to many Bigfooters who have been running around in the woods forever and will see all of those years wasted by the prize going to Mr. Douchebag of the Year.

DJJ is absolutely correct that the belief that Dyer is hoaxing is based for the most part on his character and not on the data. People are voting with their hearts and not their brains. In their hearts, they hate Dyer’s guts, so therefore he is hoaxing.

DJJ does a great job of finessing FB/FB’s role in all of this. The truth is that they are the ultimate Bigfooter professionals. No one knows what they think of Dyer’s dubious character or whether they even care about his personality. In the realm of FB/FB, Dyer’s personality foibles and whatnot are simply not important. All that is important is whether or not he shot a Bigfoot. Leave all the rest for psychologists and gossip columnists and the judgement of history.

It was through this severely, almost painfully objective eye that FB/FB decided that the Tent Video was the real deal and went with it, for which they have suffered terribly. Note that their enemies recently got FB/FB’s entire Youtube page taken down due to a vicious and politically motivated complaint to Youtube. This is a sorry episode as FB/FB’s videos are an excellent resource for our community, and our entire community will suffer from this loss. DJJ notes that had FB/FB been politically minded, they would have played down the Tent Video due to its poisonous association with Rick Dyer.

But FB/FB are scientific investigators first and foremost and politicians second if at all. In this way, they are similar to the finest of my profession, the investigative journalists who are jailed, injured or killed for trying to tell the truth when politics demand that they be quiet. A few of us are actually rather immune to the gusts of politics.

At the end of the day, those of us committed to ferreting out the truth of matters in which truth can be discerned, whether the dogged investigative reporters or the investigators who say the Hell with our careers, are the only folks that history will remember. The political deceivers and fogmiesters who blew smoke in your ears will burn with the fires of history, to be remembered only as the propagandists and liars that they always were.

New interview with me tomorrow. Tomorrow night, April 28, 2013, I will be interviewed on Chuck Prahl’s Bigfoot Tonite radio show out of Maryland. It will go on the air at 6 PM Pacific time.

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Bigfoot News April 26, 2013

Hank (the Bigfoot Rick Dyer killed) has been purchased by a major Las Vegas casino! I have just learned from an excellent source that a major Las Vegas casino has purchased Hank from whoever owned it (Rick and possibly his investors). It is the casino, not Dyer, that will show Hank to the world sometime this summer, possibly in August. No doubt this will not end the speculation about the story either, as deniers will continue to say that this is a hoax along the lines of the Minnesota Iceman.

That Hank will be displayed somehow at a casino for profit will obviously not settle the question of whether or not Hank is a real Bigfoot or a clever copy, and in fact, the profiteering aspect (already well underway – note how Dyer is selling “memberships”) will make many scream “hoax”.

As you can see, this is turning into a Minnesota Iceman Redux, possibly with many of the similar problems and issues that confronted the Iceman story (which I believe did involve an actual Bigfoot shot by Hansen himself in Minnesota). Hopefully, the Hank story will be resolved better (proof of Bigfoot) than the Iceman story was.

It’s too bad it all had to unfold this way.

Surely, if the US government took custody of this Bigfoot, they would not be trying to make money off it, though the “make government a business” reactionaries would not doubt be screaming for Uncle Sam to profit in some way from its scientific possession. That the state is one of the last institutions left in the US that is not devoted solely and only to “the spirit of hucksterism” (see Marx), I have long felt, is one of the major impetuses behind that anti-government reactionary nature of the American people, who as a nation went over to mass hucksterism long ago, and exactly as Marx predicted 150 years ago. And surely, Rick Dyer exemplifies “the huckster” immaculately. As does Tom Biscardi.

Morgan Matthews silent about Shooting Bigfoot. A source is good friends with Matthews and asked Morgan about the movie. Morgan refused to comment on the movie, and the source said this is odd because normally Morgan will talk to this fellow about anything and everything. The source did however state that Morgan seemed to be very excited about the movie, which made the source excited that there may be something to the Dyer story.

The source the only thing holding him back from believing in the story is that Rick Dyer is involved; he felt that Dyer is the sleaziest person on Earth and as such he was extremely wary about anything with Dyer’s name associated with it. His assessment of Dyer is of course 100% correct, but even sleazeballs can do great things (read up on famous people on Wikipedia and see how many of them were monstrous as human beings aside from whatever they did that made them famous). And even pathological liars (yes, Dyer is a pathological liar) tell the truth sometimes, or actually most of the time. No one lies all the time. Think about it. It’s not even possible.

My opinion of Rick Dyer. To sum up and be as nice to him as possible, I would describe Dyer as a huckster, a scammer, a sleazy capitalist, and a con artist. His personality is “showboating blowhard” (like most Bigfooters). In addition, he is very rude and very unpleasant. The constant bragging is very hard to take (Who is this guy, a White Mohammad Ali?).

I suppose the most charitable way to put it is not to say that he’s a bad person (you can decide that for yourself) but instead that I simply do not like people like that. I have known plenty of them in my life, and you can’t get me away from them quickly enough. I can barely stand to listen to his radio shows because he rubs me the wrong way so much. I find myself wincing and making disgusted faces all the way through it. He is apparently hated by the vast majority of the Bigfoot community, and I would say for good reason.

He’s not going to tone anything down after he gets famous, which is going to be quite soon. Instead, a good portion of US society will soon develop strong opinions about Dyer, probably most of them quite negative. In his favor, Rick does have his fans (often female, as women crave narcissists and sociopaths like chocolate). His male admirers are less common (most men don’t cotton much to douchebags as we have had so many unpleasant interactions with male douchebags over the years that most of us have “baggage in this regard), but they definitely exist.

Dyer selling memberships to his website. The memberships are insanely overpriced, especially the gold memberships. But a lot of folks have already bought memberships, including gold memberships. I am sad to say that a couple of my friends fell for it. This proves nothing except that as Rick’s mentor’s comment that there’s one born every minute. It’s not illegal in the US to sell overpriced worthless nonsense, and you’re free to charge whatever the market will bear in most cases. Rick’s just going for a ride again, and this time he has a lot of passengers.

However, as you can see, Rick is already profiting from Hank, which of course will only increase the accusations of hoaxing. Even if he is hoaxing, nothing will ever come of it since US DA’s don’t file charges for fraud much anymore, and sadly they never have in Dyer’s case. Nor has Dyer even been sued for the various times he has defrauded his fellow humans. Rick will just get away with it once again, the same way he gets away with everything, by landing on his feet. This cat must have 99 lives.

New clues about the photos of Hank (the Bigfoot Rick Dyer killed). Four photos of Hank recently surfaced, not two as I originally reported. One was a photo of Hank being loaded into a box truck by several men. Three were of a group of men standing around Hank’s body, which is lying on an embankment. The scene appears to be early in the morning, probably the morning of September 7, 2012, after Hank was shot at 10:30 PM the previous evening. Dyer can clearly be seen in two of the photos, and the film crew also seems to be present.

In one of the photos, curiously, there are two men wearing sports coats and slacks who are obviously not the local homeless population or part of the film crew. It is uncertain who they are, but they may be some sort of government officials.

Facebook Find Bigfoot appear to have seen Hank on their Las Vegas visit to talk to Rick Dyer. This is what I have gathered from conversations with my sources. They did not come right out and say it, as that would get them into trouble, but with a lot of hints and oblique statements, they very much implied to me without saying so explicitly that FB/FB did indeed view the body on that trip, and I believe that they did also. Their having viewed the body is probably one of the main reasons why they are so certain that the Dyer shooting dead Hank the Bigfoot is true.

A “commission” represents the body of Hank. They appear to have some sort of ownership or retention rights over this corpse. The commission includes those who own the body (whoever they are) along with the US government research facility which is housing it. If you want to see the body, you have to go through this commission and sign NDA’s with them. As this branch of the government is part of the commission, the papers you have to sign are quite complicated.

The US government did not build a separate facility just to house Hank. Instead, they built a makeshift area in an already existing facility. However, most of the workers at the facility do not have access to the makeshift area where Hank is being held. This government research facility is quite complex and it is possible that the scientists/technicians who work there do not even know of the existence of Hank or that he is being stored at the facility. However, there is a US government team that has been tasked with work with, study and guard/protect Hank.

References

Marx, Karl. 1844. Zur Judenfrage (On the Jewish Question). Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher.

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Bigfoot News April 25, 2013

New clues about the photos of Hank (the Bigfoot Rick Dyer killed). Four photos of Hank recently surfaced, not two as I originally reported. One was a photo of Hank being loaded into a box truck by several men. Three were of a group of men standing around Hank’s body, which is lying on an embankment. The scene appears to be early in the morning, probably the morning of September 7, 2012, after Hank was shot at 10:30 PM the previous evening. Dyer can clearly be seen in two of the photos, and the film crew also seems to be present.

In one of the photos, curiously, there are two men wearing sports coats and slacks who are obviously not the local homeless population or part of the film crew. It is uncertain who they are, but they may be some sort of government officials.

Facebook Find Bigfoot appear to have seen Hank on their Las Vegas visit to talk to Rick Dyer. This is what I have gathered from conversations with my sources. They did not come right out and say it, as that would get them into trouble, but with a lot of hints and oblique statements, they very much implied to me without saying so explicitly that FB/FB did indeed view the body on that trip, and I believe that they did also. Their having viewed the body is probably one of the main reasons why they are so certain that the Dyer shooting dead Hank the Bigfoot is true.

First video of dead Hank revealed to the public? The movie trailer for Shooting Bigfoot has finally been released. The movie definitely seems to be everything that believers in the Rick Dyer story said it would be. However, the movie will solve nothing as those who think the movie is a hoax say that the shooting of the Bigfoot at the end of the movie is simply staged.

However, there is some fascinating video at the beginning of the trailer that shows a white pickup truck on a freeway with a green tarp in the back. The tarp is covering a large object. I think the object it is covering is Hank the Bigfoot, who possibly was first loaded into this pickup and then taken somewhere else where he could be stored more properly. The footage may be seen at :18 and again at :26-:33 in the trailer.

Shooting Bigfoot trailer is very interesting. The trailer shows Dyer with a gun, loading it and pointing it. A blond woman asks Rick, “I didn’t know the idea was to kill a Bigfoot?” A man (probably Dyer) nails ribs a tree. Another man (possibly Matthews) asks, “Is that to lure him in?” Later we see Rick at night in his underwear, holding a rifle. Then we hear a British accent saying, “Don’t shoot me!” Next we hear a gunshot. The clip ends with Dyer frantically demanding of the cameraman, “Let me see the tape! Let me see the tape!”

The Dyer naysayers say that all of this is part of an elaborate hoax, but as I reported earlier, a friend of mine is very close to Morgan Matthews, the director, and he said that Matthews would not be a party to any hoax on film in any way, shape or form. Therefore, the naysayers’ argument that this film shows Dyer hoaxing the killing of a Bigfoot appears to be incorrect.

New movie poster for Shooting Bigfoot. A very nice new poster of Shooting Bigfoot has been released by Minnow Films. Check it out below.

Very nice new poster for Shooting Bigfoot shows several Bigfoot hunters with various spotlight and cameras and one with a scoped gun. At the top is an evil looking man in cowboy hat with smoke coming out of both of his breasts.

Very nice new poster for Shooting Bigfoot shows several Bigfoot hunters with various spotlight and cameras and one with a scoped gun. At the top is an evil looking man in cowboy hat with smoke coming out of the gun he is holding.

Who is Dyer’s other investor? I reported earlier than an Australian billionaire was one of Dyer’s investors. Now I have learned that another investor is a Las Vegas casino owner.

Why is the Bigfoot Dyer killed named Hank? He is named Hank after a famous country music singer, apparently Hank Williams Jr. I gather that Dyer is a big fan of this guy. I would opt for Hank’s father myself. Hank Williams Jr. is apparently the other major investor in Dyer’s Bigfoot along with the Vegas casino owner.

Hank’s body will not be released on April 30 at the screening of Shooting Bigfoot. I have just learned that what I reported in my last update is incorrect. In fact, the body will be released by Dyer much later, sometime in the summer, possibly in August.

Review of Shooting Bigfoot in the Toronto Standard. Here is the review which just came out today, April 25, 2013. This review proves what I have long said, that the movie shows the shooting of a Bigfoot, but leaves it up in the air as far as whether it is a real shooting or an elaborate prank. The reviewer himself is not clear whether he has just seen the shooting of an actual Bigfoot or an “elaborate and violent prank” as he puts it. As I have mentioned before, this movie will not clear up the debate at all, as the naysayers are already saying that the movie just shows a faked shooting of a Bigfoot.

Shooting Bigfoot

For some Bigfoot is just a character from Harry And The Hendersons, for others the mythical creature is a lifelong obsession. British director Morgan Matthews decided to fly over to the US to film some particularly passionate Bigfoot hunters and ended up with far more than he bargained for. The sad folks at the center of Matthews’ film either make their living or escape their depressing lives by hunting the great beast and don’t take too kindly to an outsider with a camera coming to their community to suggest the creature might not be so real.

For the first hour, Shooting Bigfoot alternates between a sad and hilarious portrait of grown men determined to prove the existence of bigfoot to the filmmaker, the audience, and themselves. Then, in the final third, two particularly aggressive hunters promise to introduce the uppity director to Bigfoot himself and well…the result is in the title. Maybe it’s real, or more likely it’s an elaborate (and surprisingly violent) prank, but either way Shooting Bigfoot is not a movie to be missed and a rare documentary that demands a midnight screening.

Another review of Shooting Bigfoot, this time by Bob Turnbull (not sure who that is). Review:

Director Morgan Matthews states right up front that he used to be keenly interested in Bigfoot in his younger days. Years later, that interest has now flipped and turned into a deep curiosity of the people that continue to search, track and believe in the hairy Sasquatch. He follows along with three separate teams – the deluded but honest believers, the opportunist business man and the liar – while they go through their paces to gain any evidence of the long-elusive beast.

Early on it looks like the film might be just like any other let’s-go-talk-to-crazy-people doc (filled with energy, but not shedding any interesting light on anything), but shortly after all three expeditions are arranged and we’ve jumped between each team’s early preparations with Matthews, we cut to the director lying in a hospital bed. Suddenly we have a different movie on our hands…

The film becomes more and more engaging as we learn more about these people, their techniques, self-delusions and possible deceptions. It’s all the more intriguing since you know that Matthews is going to face an ordeal of some variety, but with which team?

None of them escape looking silly – Rick tripping in the woods while he wears cowboy boots, Tom’s admission after a particularly stressful moment that he’s had 7 stents in his heart, Dallas calling for Bigfoot using a “shaman language” – but there’s also a more serious tone that slides under the entire film as the teams come across numerous other people living in rather desperate and terribly sad ways.

Guns seem to be easily acquired, the economy hasn’t rebounded for any of these folks, and basic needs are a struggle to acquire. It’s a clever mix of myth debunking, suspense, silly fun and state-of-a-decaying-nation profile. So how does it end? Well, like Bigfoot itself, you’ll just have to see it to believe it.

As you can see, this review also says that the ending is quite a shock. He points out that the film cuts away to a shot of Matthews lying a hospital bed early on in the film. This goes along with what I reported, that Morgan was hurt when the Bigfoot charged him and when he got into a fistfight with Dyer after the shooting.

Comment by Jimmy Conway supposedly proving that Shooting Bigfoot is all about a hoax. Here is his comment:

Jimmy Conway: OK. Enough. Many of you will know that I have said the Dyer Bigfoot story was a hoax (as have many others here) from the moment I found out that a) it was him involved but, more importantly, b) that a British documentary maker i.e. Morgan Matthews and Minnow Films were involved. This latest review pretty much confirms that the doc is a social commentary piece on some of the characters in the Bigfoot community.

Any talk of it confirming there was a Bigfoot shot dead, there is a body and that Morgan Matthews ended up in hospital because of a “real” Sasquatch is an appalling example of why this community is a laughing stock: the lack of objectivity and just plain common sense makes this community a prime target for hoaxers. It’s nothing new. People are so desperate to believe the creature is real that when a story like this come through the door, objective thinking flies out of the window.

Many of you will have read my posts and seen that I have been very vocal about this story, and I have provided information – facts -about the companies involved and the people from the UK. The more astute of you will have realised that this wasn’t guess-work. You will have realised that I’m not a “hater” . I’m here for the truth. I believe Bigfoot is likely real. What it is – I don’t know. But something is out there.

So why am I so sure it’s a hoax? For the last 20 years I have worked in media in the UK. I have worked with pretty much every single major media outlet there is. In national press. Radio. TV. Film. Including the BFI. Including the BBC. On a regular basis. All it took was a couple of phone calls to establish what the documentary was actually about.

You have to understand that Bigfoot is alongside Father Christmas and The Loch Ness Monster in the UK. People interested in it are few and far between. There are not that many who shout from the rooftops that they think it’s real. I certainly don’t. You can imagine the reaction I got when I asked if the story of a Bigfoot body was real.

Morgan Matthews ended up in a hospital bed as a result of an altercation, but it wasn’t with a Sasquatch. That’s all I am prepared to say about the content of the film, aside from telling you previously the premise of the whole thing. I must be clear, I have NOT seen the film.

Rick Dyer is taking full advantage of this film and full advantage of the people in this community who are all too willing to believe. I don’t blame Rick. I don’t hate him at all. I think he is a funny guy but I don’t agree with some of the things he does but so what.

I’m not asking anyone to believe me. There are many people here who made their minds up months ago and they won’t even change it once the truth is revealed. They’ll say “The body was taken”, “It’s s cover-up” etc’. Fine. That happens.

I have absolutely no axe to grind with Rick Dyer or Musky Allen. It just so happens that, in what is a big coincidence, someone in the UK media industry has a genuine interest in Bigfoot and was able to ascertain with relative ease the truth to this whole thing.

If I am wrong on this, I won’t hide. I’ll be here to apologise to every single person and will be prepared to take the verbal beating of my life off anyone who wants a go. If I’m wrong, it will mean that a UK documentary maker and a hoaxer really are the people responsible for the greatest scientific discovery in our lifetime. I won’t be ashamed to come back here to face the music, because we’ve got validation of what we all want.

But when the truth is revealed, there will be casualties here. The biggest one being the Bigfoot community itself. However, there are those with so called reputations that will not recover either.

Conway’s detractors say that he is a long-term troll on Facebook Find Bigfoot, and he has “sources” for every video they make proving that it is actually a fake. He has plenty of sources but no information. The general consensus among his detractors is that Conway is simply lying and he has no “sources” at all. He has never presented any information that he has any good sources, and his information in general has not proven to be correct.

We can assume that in this case, he is lying once again and just making up the part about having sources in the UK media industry who are telling him what Shooting Bigfoot is all about. Just another troll.

A “commission” represents the body of Hank. They appear to have some sort of ownership or retention rights over this corpse. The commission includes those who own the body (whoever they are) along with the US government research facility which is housing it. If you want to see the body, you have to go through this commission and sign NDA’s with them. As this branch of the government is part of the commission, the papers you have to sign are quite complicated.

The US government did not build a separate facility just to house Hank. Instead, they built a makeshift area in an already existing facility. However, most of the workers at the facility do not have access to the makeshift area where Hank is being held. This government research facility is quite complex and it is possible that the scientists/technicians who work there do not even know of the existence of Hank or that he is being stored at the facility. However, there is a US government team that has been tasked with work with, study and guard/protect Hank.

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Bigfoot News April 13, 2013

I have been asked to appear on three TV shows. Since November 2012, I have been asked to appear on three TV shows. One was a documentary film out of Canada, the other was History Channel show that I cannot name, and the other was a show about conspiracies. The latter two were out of Hollywood.

All three shows were more or less “documentary” style shows or films along the lines of what you see on the History Channel or the Discovery Channel. They deal with conspiracies or unknown, weird subjects in general. I don’t think I should name any of the shows right now. One show was never approved, and the other one could not travel me down there on the very short notice required.

I am thinking of getting myself an agent! I think I need to go to the hair stylist too. The glasses were replaced long ago, for all the trolls that are so exercised about that. I am an introvert, and I am actually not too wild about being on TV or fame in general. It’s more scary than anything else. Who needs fame? Just give me the women and the money, that’s all I ask.

New information on the ending of Minnow Films’ Shooting Bigfoot. I had previously thought that the movie ends with Rick Dyer shooting the Bigfoot and then the screen just goes blank and you wonder what it is that you just saw. However, a source just informed me that the film will show Dyer shooting the Bigfoot, and then that scene will just end without explanation.

The actual ending of the movie will show Morgan Matthews, the director, on a plane apparently flying back to London. He is holding the camera at his face and filming himself. You can clearly see black and blue bruises all over his face, either from the altercation with Hank, the Bigfoot Rick shot, or from the fist fight with Dyer and possibly others afterwards.

Dyer confirms my story about the three photos of Hank (the Bigfoot Dyer shot) sent to Musky Allen by email. The other day on Rick’s radio show, a caller called in and asked about my description of the three pics that Musky had received. Rick said that my description was 100% correct, and he was surprised at the accuracy of my information. “However he is getting his info, he is right.”

Other sources confirm my story about Hank being held in a government research facility near Las Vegas, Nevada. A source informed me that sources around the Dyer camp where wondering where I got this information that the body is being held in a government research facility near Las Vegas and that a government team has been tasked with studying the body for 4-5 months now.

The source told me they were asking, “How did Lindsay get this information? This was not supposed to get out, was not supposed to be public knowledge. No one on the outside knows about this. Where is Lindsay getting his information?”

Therefore, we can say that now sources inside the Dyer team seem to be confirming the story that it is being held in a government research lab near Vegas and that a government team has been studying the body.

New David Durrett chart on the Rick Dyer story. Here is another fine Durrett chart showing how folks are projecting in the Dyer story. To be honest, a lot of us are projecting in a similar way about the Sierra Kills story, especially the body recovery part. If you are going to do detective work of any sort, you more or less need to project.

Fine chart shows how Dyer detractors are projecting away in their case.
Fine chart shows how Dyer detractors are projecting away in their case.

One of Dyer’s investors may be Australian billionaire Clive Palmer. On his radio show, Rick said that one of his investors was the guy who was building the Titanic II for 2016 ship. It’s not known if Palmer owns Hank or a part of Hank, but somehow apparently Palmer has wormed his way into some sort of ownership of Hank.

Why won’t Dyer release Hank? Because Hank is not his to release! Apparently Dyer was a contract employee of Minnow Films at the time Hank was shot, and therefore, Dyer cannot release Hank’s body without somehow coordinating it with Minnow. On the other hand though, Hank himself belongs to Rick and his investors. The movie is Minnow’s, and Hank is Dyer and his investors’. Dyer and his investors + Minnow are running the show.

Dyer stole at least $50,000 as a part of his Bigfoot hoax in 2008. Dyer brags that he “made” $650,000 off of his 2008 Bigfoot hoax. Shows you just what kind of a human being he is that he would brag about cleaning up after a case of fraud. Con artists are sociopaths as a good general rule. Hell, most used car salesmen are controlled sociopaths of one sort or another.

Rick’s a con artist. It’s what he does. On the other hand, he also engages in legitimate employment ventures where he doesn’t even rip people off at all. So he’s honest sometimes, and other time’s he’s not. He’s a vicious maniac sometimes going after his enemies, and he’s warm and charming to his friends.

He’s a guiltless thief and con man, but he craves redemption for his “sins” in the 2008 hoax. Although probably more than absolving sin he is looking to clear his name of mud and receive approval and accolades instead of being universally reviled. Anyway, most pure sociopaths don’t care whether you like them or not. It’s the narcissist who seeks approval. Hence, the narcissistic sociopath moniker.

What to make of it? As my mother would say, “Well…people are complicated.”

Anyway, how much of the rest of that $650,000 was stolen money? Steve Kulls has confirmed for me that $50,000 of that at least was simply out and out stolen money. The rest? Who knows! It’s illegal to profit from fraud in the US, but a DA has to file charges, and none ever did. I know who got their $50,000 ripped off (another Bigfoot hoaxer and con artist) and apparently they decided not to press charges. As far as I can tell, Dyer has been stealing money off and on for the last five years or so.

California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) officials may have seized some of Justin Smeja’s Bigfoot samples. A source of mine who works in a museum told me:

“The CDFG seized a lot of Justin’s Bigfoot samples when they came to his house [that day in November 2011]. It’s a good thing he had more stashed around [possibly in multiple freezers within a 25 mile radius of Sacramento, California] or he would really be screwed!”

This is different from the Standard Narrative that states that the CDFG came to Justin’s house, and Justin would not let them in because they did not have a warrant. They said they would go back to get a warrant, and they never came back. The CDFG officers supposedly said:

“We are here to investigate the killing of a Sasquatch in the Sierra Nevadas in October 2010.”

Then another officer said: “Wait! You were not supposed to tell him that…”

I asked my source about the discrepancy, and he said that the Standard Story is a lie, and the true story is what he told me about officers seizing samples.

I must reiterate that we still have no good hard evidence that DFG officers seized Justin’s samples that day – we only have rumors.

Justin Smeja and Derek Randles appear on TV show. Very nice TV show aired around April 1. They recreated the Sierra Kills (not very well I think), and they used actors instead of using Justin and the driver (lame). And they didn’t do the body recovery scene. All in all though, it was a job well done. My hits starting going high after that show (searches for “Bigfoot killed in the Sierra Nevada”), and it was around then that I got two TV offers in one day. I downloaded the show (45 minutes out of a 1.5 hour show), but haven’t uploaded it to my video site yet. Link to the show is here.

Dead Bigfoot, the movie, to be released soon. Ro Sahebi’s documentary will be released soon. It will star Justin Smeja, Shawn of Bigfoot Evidence and Bart Cutino, among others. All of these folks are friends of mine. Ro makes some superb movies (better than many I see on TV), and this should be a nice movie. The movie, in case you didn’t guess, is about the Sierra Kills. It will also show footage of Bart shooting thermal video of several Bigfoots at the Sierra Kills site recently.

New allegation about the Sierra Kills. A source says that Justin and the driver did not shoot those Bigfoots as described. Instead, they were shot at some sort of a feeding setup in a baited trap. They waited for the Bigfoots to come eat and then shot them.

“Smeja and Randles are full of shit on the account of this shooting. Bigfoot don’t throw their hands up and walk towards a guy with a gun. They exit stage left in super human speed. These guys were shot at some feeding setup more than likely from a blind of some sort,” the source said.

The source is regarded as a “fringe” type in the Bigfoot scene, and I don’t believe his theory of how Justin shot his Bigfoots. Justin’s shooting story is accurate.

Video implies that Justin is lying in his Sierra Kills interview with Ro Sahebi. This video, by someone who worked in corporate America for years, says that his investigative skills show that Justin is lying in the video. Justin may well have been lying about a few things, but I think at least the basic story of the Kills itself is true, at least up until the body recovery part, at which point things start to become much more inconclusive.

I do not believe that the person who made this video, Midnight Walker, has proven his case about Justin, and at any rate, he is regarded as a fringe player in the Bigfoot scene by many for various reasons.

My story about Adrian Erickson’s documentary being sold to National Geographic apparently confirmed. This media outlet, River Journal out of Idaho, has now confirmed my rumor that Erickson’s documentary has been sold to National Geographic TV and has added to the rumor by saying that Nat Geo paid a rumored 7 figure sum for the movie. I also reported that Melba Ketchum has been working with Erickson and Nat Geo on this same documentary. It appears that Erickson never sold out to Melba – instead he just sold some rights to her.

And Erickson is now walking away with over $1 million+ (!) for his documentary. This will go a long ways towards paying his bills. A source  who works in Hollywood told me that Erickson would never make back the $3 million he spent on his movie, and that instead, he would only maybe get $150,000 because as he told me, “There is no money in TV.” He appears to be wrong. So Erickson has recouped 1/3 of the money he spent on the movie. Erickson seems to be doing a lot better financially these days, and he is off leading hunts again. He has a website set up for leading hunts.

The article also says that the team the Erickson Project filmed was the 9 foot tall male, his partner, Matilda, a 7 foot tall female, and an unknown juvenile. This does not line up with what I had heard before, but it may be true. The previous story was that there was the large male, his female partner, and Matilda, their daughter, who later become pregnant and had a child in the course of the study.

In addition, the article says for the first time that there have been rumors for years that the EP managed to put GPS tracking devices on the Bigfoots at Crittenden. If this is so, then why can’t these Bigfoots be tracked now?

Problems with Ketchum DNA study. Ketchum is not allowing replication of her data from her Bigfoot DNA study. I am not sure what this means, but Bart Cutino says that Melba is not allowing others to replicate her data. That may mean that she is not allowing them to see her samples so they can work on them themselves or possibly she is not releasing all of her data.

In addition, the three genomes that Ketchum claims line up very well have been tested by other scientists who actually found that they did not line up very well at all.

Ketchum accused of ripping off Wally Hersom. Bart Cutino is accusing Melba Ketchum, who recently published her findings on Bigfoot DNA, of more or less ripping off Wally Hersom, the billionaire inventor who was financially backing her study. According to Cutino, Wally’s money was only supposed to go for testing samples and for nothing else. Now whether there was to be a living stipend in there or not has not been confirmed.

However, Melba spent that money on all sorts of things – fancy clothes, fancy meals at restaurants, fancy vacations to Europe, on and on – all on Wally’s dime. Wally’s money apparently was not intended for all of these frivolous expenses. Also, according to Cutino, when Melba was on the phone to Justin one time, she encouraged Justin to ask Wally for $15,000 for something that should not have cost not much of any money at all. Justin would pocket $10,000, and Melba would pocket $5,000.

When Justin asked if this was not stealing, Melba replied, “Oh well, don’t worry. Wally has lots of money.”

Whatever you can say about Justin, he’s not avaricious at all, and he’s not a ripoff or a thief. Justin was appalled and reported this to Bart. According to both of them, Melba was more or less ripping off Wally for a long time. Boy, these holier than thou fundamentalist Christians sure know how to sin it up, don’t they?

Melba’s foundation has been set up as profit making enterprise. Ketchum’s Sasquatch Protection Group has been set up for the expressed purpose of making money and for no other purpose. So much for good intentions.

Ketchum cheered when Richard Stubstad died. I have been wondering for some time now if this woman is a controlled sociopath of some sort, and this just adds fuel to the fire. Richard was one of my best friends, and this doesn’t sit too well with me. Oh well, no matter. US capitalism churns out controlled sociopaths like an assembly line at a factory.

My beef with Ketchum. The main thing I have against this woman is that she has done more than any other person to bring greed into this Bigfoot business. Not that it hasn’t always been there, but she took it to a whole new level. Money’s the root of all evil, and greed is screwing up this business the same way it ruins everything else. Sure, Greed is her middle name but still.

David Paulides’ shenanigans with the Smith River submitter in Del Norte County, California. The Smith River submitter, possibly Kirk Stewart, has a positive Bigfoot sample into Ketchum’s DNA study. This is the fellow who was making the news when an apparent Bigfoot was stealing pheasants from his chicken coop and eating his watermelons.

Paulides, one of the nastiest and least liked fellows in Bigfootery, got involved with this fellow and sleazed out in classic sleazy Paulides fashion. Paulides and the submitter had a big falling when the submitter figured out that Paulides was trying to steal all the guy’s samples. Classic Paulides move.

Paulides’ background. Everyone I talk to about Paulides has nothing good to say about him. Even the folks who won’t bash him to his face are afraid of him. A source with Paulides’ group NABS told me that Paulides’ temper is legendary and that the other group members all lived in fear of his raging temper. Obviously someone like this was meant by God to be Ketchum’s great and good friend. A perfect match, one piece of work with another, that could only be made in Heaven.

Paulides was a police officer on a Bay Area police force, possibly the Palo Alto Police Department. He was fired for engaging in fraud by using city government stationary to solicit money for some charity that he was running. For this reason, he was forced to resign as a police officer.

He had previously embroiled himself in a police brutality scandal. What happened was that Paulides, a detective, was badly beaten up by a suspect. As revenge, Paulides got a bunch of his plainclothes buddies to go out on a mission to find the guy who beat up Paulides (the suspect was out of jail by now) and deliver some paybacks.

The man who beat up Paulides was badly beaten up by Paulides’ detective friends as payback. Word got out about it, and it was a great big mess with newspaper write-ups and the whole nine yards. I sympathize with Paulides for getting beaten up by a criminal and for wanting revenge, but after all, this is a society that operates on the rule of law.

Old video of Iowa Bigfoot seems to be a hoax. A family in Iowa, a mother, father and kids, films a Bigfoot in Iowa. Some breakdowns have apparently confirmed this as a hoax. Here is a photo from the video below.

This is apparently a hoax, but I think at the very least I believe it is a pretty good one. I didn't think an older couple with little kids would be so scummy as to hoax a Bigfoot video, but I guess I was wrong!

This is apparently a hoax, but I think at the very least I believe it is a pretty good one. I didn’t think an older couple with little kids would be so scummy as to hoax a Bigfoot video, but I guess I was wrong!

Shout out to Bigfoot Buzz. Chuck Prahl’s Bigfoot Buzz site is one of the best Bigfoot sites out there. He updates it all the time, and it’s amazing how many stories he keeps up on. He has an excellent tone and doesn’t condescend to mud-slinging and smack talking like everyone else does. He stays out of most of the Bigfoot wars and doesn’t take sides too often, which is the only smart thing to do in this biz. It’s just good journalism – get the story out and only the story, and screw the rest.

It takes a somewhat credulous tone, which is proper for the subject. I get tired of these “everything is a hoax” folks. On the other hand, he readily calls out hoaxes when he sees them.

Chuck has long had a fine Bigfoot radio show out of the Chesapeake Bay, Maryland, and he is a fine radio announcer.

Interview with me on Mind Cemetery radio. Not sure how many of you Bigfoot News readers saw this, but I recently did an interview with a Net radio station called Mind Cemetery that was also broadcasted on a dial radio station out of New Orleans. This is the first time I have ever been on dial radio.

The interview lasts 2 hours, and the sound quality is bad at times. I am told I have a good voice though. Well, women like it at least. I am an introvert, and I am always afraid to listen to my interviews. The links sit there for ages on my desk while I send my friends around to listen to them. Then I ask them how I sounded. They keep telling me I sound great. Finally I get up the nerve to listen to the interview.

Three Bigfoot Forums posters with samples in to Dr. Melba Ketchum’s study. The three posters are Sasfooty, Indiefoot and Southernyahoo. Sasfooty at least has some odd stories. I believe this woman claims that Bigfoots come into her yard and stand there and smoke cigarettes while staring at her house! No way! Anyway, go to Melba’s Sasquatch Genome Project page and run through the list of submitters, and see if you can figure out who they are. I don’t like any of the three, but I hardly like anyone of BFF.

BFF scumbags link me to known Bigfoot kook and release my IP address to other BFF members. On a BFF post, a member stated that Jon-Erik Beckjord and I had been identified as such persistent trolls that our IP addresses were released to other BFF members as some sort of security measure. Beckjord was a notorious Bigfoot kook and disruptor who made enemies of everyone and had the most insane theories about Bigfoot. He was widely hated. I think he died recently.

Just shows you what scumbags these BFF guys are. All BFF threads about and links to me are deleted at BFF. These idiots are the biggest losers in the business. I have no idea where all of this insane spite comes from, but it sure is weird. Any ideas?

Why I use the word “sources.” I am actually a trained journalist. I have a BA degree in Journalism from J-school, and I used to work as an editor of a magazine. We use words like that all the time. Anyway, investigative reporters don’t like to identify folks who have not gone public.

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Bigfoot News Thanksgiving Edition, 2012

Dr. Melba Ketchum Bigfoot DNA study getting ready for the big reveal? Igor Burtsev released the following blurb on his Facebook page the other day, which set off a storm of speculation:

“International Center of Hominology (Russia)
Urgent!

The DNA analysis of the Bigfoot/Sasquatch specimen conducted by Dr. Melba Ketchum the head of DNA Diagnostics, Timpson, TX, USA has been over!

Team of American scientists led by Dr. Melba Ketchum for five years has analyzed 109 purported samples of such creatures. The study has sequenced DNA of a novel North American hominin, commonly called Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

There were a large number of laboratories associated with this study including academic, private and government laboratories in which blind testing was utilized to avoid prejudice in testing. Great time and care was taken in the forensic laboratories to assure no contamination occurred with any of the samples utilized in this study.

After 5 years of this study the scientists can finally answer the question of what Sasquatch really is. It is human like us only different, a hybrid of a human with unknown species. Early field research shows that the Bigfoot/Sasquatches are massively intelligent which has enabled them to avoid detection to a large extent. They are different than us, however human nonetheless.

The hybridization event could not have occurred more than 15,000 years ago according to the mitochondrial data in some samples. Origin of this hominin was probably Middle Eastern/Eastern Europe and Europe originally though other geographic areas are not excluded.

The manuscript associated with this study has been submitted to a scientific reviewed magazine.

For years people have refused to believe they exist. Now that we know that they are real, it is up to us to protect them from those that would hunt or try to capture them for research or for sport. They should be left alone to live as they live now. After all, they are our relatives.

At this time, analysis of the Sasquatch genomes is still ongoing. Further data will be presented in the future following this original study. Additionally, analysis of various hair samples purportedly from Siberian Wildman are being tested in an effort to determine if relatedness exists between the Sasquatch and Russian Wildman.

Dr. Igor Burtsev,
Head of International Center of Hominology,
Moscow, Russia +7(916)812-6253
inhomin@yandex.ru “

This was followed soon after by a Ketchum statement saying that she would elaborate on Burtsev’s statement. A couple of days later, Ketchum released the following her Facebook page, which then went out as a general press release.

‘BIGFOOT’ DNA SEQUENCED IN UPCOMING GENETICS STUDY

Five-Year Genome Study Yields Evidence of Homo sapiens/Unknown Hominin Hybrid Species in North America

DALLAS, Nov. 24–A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch,” living in North America.

Researchers’ extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species.

The study was conducted by a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of Nacogdoches, TX. In response to recent interest in the study, Dr. Ketchum can confirm that her team has sequenced 3 complete Sasquatch nuclear genomes and determined the species is a human hybrid:

“Our study has sequenced 20 whole mitochondrial genomes and utilized next generation sequencing to obtain 3 whole nuclear genomes from purported Sasquatch samples. The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species.

Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.”

Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini, which includes all members of the genus Homo. Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA.

“The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual,” explains Ketchum.

“Sasquatch nuclear DNA is incredibly novel and not at all what we had expected. While it has human nuclear DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. We describe it as a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence. Further study is needed and is ongoing to better characterize and understand Sasquatch nuclear DNA.”

Ketchum is a veterinarian whose professional experience includes 27 years of research in genetics, including forensics. Early in her career she also practiced veterinary medicine, and she has previously been published as a participant in mapping the equine genome. She began testing the DNA of purported Sasquatch hair samples 5 years ago.

Ketchum calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the Sasquatch as an indigenous people:

“Genetically, the Sasquatch are a human hybrid with unambiguously modern human maternal ancestry. Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a ‘license’ to hunt, trap, or kill them.”

Full details of the study will be presented in the near future when the study manuscript publishes.

There is now a great deal of speculation about where and when the study will publish. A lot of folks are saying that it will publish in a Russian magazine and not in a real scientific journal, but that may be a misreading of Burtsev’s Russian press release. Burtsev is not a native English speaker, and his English may have been misinterpreted.

Ketchum’s spokesman seems to be Robin Lynne, a longtime Bigfoot habituator who lives in rural Michigan. She claims that there are up to 10 Bigfoots living around her property, and every day, she feeds them a variety of foods including Blueberry bagels, which they are particularly fond of. A lot of people have ridiculed her story, but according to information I have, there may indeed be Bigfoots on the property assuming some of the things she is relating are actually occurring.

For instance, one morning, Robin went out to her feeding box and found it locked! She heard noises inside, and when she opened it, the food was gone and there was an opossum inside!

She let the opossum out, but she was puzzled. Sure the possum could possibly have gotten into the box, but there is no way the possum could have gotten into the box and then locked the door to it afterwards. Shades of a locked room mystery here. Lynne concluded that the Bigfoots must have put the opossum into the box as a joke.

Burtsev is an associate of Lynne and has stayed at her place before. Burtsev released the initial PR release which Ketchum then relied upon. So Melba is in deep with Lynne, Burtsev and the rest of the Forest People crowd (Forest People is a group on Facebook). The Forest People group is widely ridiculed as being inhabited by Bigfoot kooks and idiots, but who knows? At this point, things are so insane in the Bigfoot world that anything is possible.

It is interesting that she has concluded that the hybridization event occurred not more than 15,000 YBP, and that it was a result of male subhumans breeding with female humans.

It is also interesting that both Neandertal and Denisova have been ruled out as the subhuman on the nuclear side. The report also says for the first time that the subhuman on the nuclear side is substantially more ancient than either Denisova or Neandertal.

As Denisova split from us 800,000 YBP, this means that the Bigfoot nuclear subhuman split from us before that. That leaves us possibly with Homo Erectus or one of his relatives like Homo Heidelbergensis.

This also means that a hominid more ancient than even Denisova was still roaming the Earth only 15,000 YBP. This is shocking, but it’s possible, as Homo Floresiensis was also roaming the Earth 13,000 YBP, and Flores Man is quite a bit more ancient than Denisova. Dr. Jeff Meldrum also states that we have a Homo Heidelbergensis skull from China from only 12,000 YBP.

Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of the report is that Bigfoots have DNA on the nuclear side that is non-human, non-hominin, and non-ape. This, frankly, makes not the slightest bit of sense at all, but it lines up with what we have been hearing for a long time now.

For forever now, David Paulides has been telling people that the nuclear subhuman component of the Bigfoots is from aliens. He says they “can only trace it back 30,000 YBP, and then it stops.” This apparently means that the Bigfoot nuclear subhuman came from outer space. Wally Hersom has also been saying that there is something in the Bigfoot nuclear subhuman that is “not of this Earth.”

When Ketchum got on the phone to talk to someone about the results of the DNA study, she mentioned the Starchild skull for some reason. The Starchild Skull is a famous skull that Dr. Lloyd Pye has been working on for a long time that he claims is from an alien.

More below.

Original Ketchum paper mentioned “angel DNA.” A source tells me that Wally Hersom has discussed the initial version of Ketchum’s paper. According to Hersom, the paper is very well written, but its conclusions are hard to take.

Ketchum writes that there are aspects of the Bigfoot nuclear subhuman DNA that she cannot find in any DNA database, and according to her, this means that the DNA is not of this Earth. In the paper, she reportedly refers to this as “angel DNA.” Whether she is trying to say that it is from angels literally or whether this is her way of saying that it’s from outer space, I do not know.

Hersom was reportedly disappointed in the paper and averred that while this may be true, no scientific journal on Earth is going to publish anything about “angel DNA.” I would certainly agree with that statement. Sure, maybe there is “angel DNA” in the Bigfoots. For all I know, this may be true. But on the other hand, of course no journal will touch this with a 10-foot pole.

I do not know whether or not she has rewritten her paper to take out the reference to “angel DNA,” but I would certainly hope so.

Ketchum press release vindicates me as a source for Bigfoot information. My detractors say that I am a poor source of information and that nothing I say is ever true. However, this is not the case.

I was the first person to leak the news about the DNA results of the Ketchum study. Although my leaks were not completely accurate, they were substantially correct. Ketchum’s release lines up well with what I have been saying for a long time now.

Ketchum states that she did full sequencing on 3 separate nuclear DNA samples and that they were submitted blind to four different labs. I reported earlier that one of those full sequences was the Sierra Kills sample. I do not know from which samples the other two nuclear sequences were derived.

She said she has also done complete sequencing on 20 different MtDNA samples, presumably representing 20 separate creatures. This lines up with what I reported earlier, that Ketchum has DNA from 20-28 separate creatures.

She also says that she has 109 different samples, all of which apparently test positive for Bigfoot DNA. Actually, it is not clear from the text whether all 109 tested presumptive for Bigfoot or whether she had 109 samples in total, some from Bigfoots and others from known creatures.

This lines up with what I said earlier, that ~100 of her samples tested presumptive for Bigfoot.

Scott Carpenter verified as a successful sample in Ketchum’s study. I was the first one to report that Carpenter had a successful sample in with her study. That has now apparently been confirmed via a post by David Paulides. In addition, Carpenter has released a blog post with a photo of the possible Bigfoot that he believes left the sample. It’s a very strange photo, and I don’t know what to make of it.

Ketchum verified as doing genetic testing on strange elongated Peruvian skulls associated with the Genesis Project. The Genesis Project is an undertaking that is associated with some very strange elongated skulls dated to several thousand years ago that were found in Peru.

Though assumed to be Homo sapiens sapiens, no one quite knows what they are, to be honest, and they are very strange. It turns out that Ketchum is now doing DNA testing on these skulls. How do I know that? Brien Foerster reveals it on his Facebook page here.

Strange Bigfoot video out of Northeastern Ohio. This video came out just the other day, shot by a birdwatcher in the woods of NE Ohio. We get many sightings from that area.

It’s hard to say for sure what this is, but it may be a Bigfoot.

Possible Bigfoot on thermal in Vermont episode of Finding Bigfoot. This odd recent episode of Finding Bigfoot (which I did not watch) shows Matt Moneymaker and Bob Fay at night with a Flir camera chasing what they think are Bigfoots in the woods of Vermont at nighttime. Although they didn’t recognize it during the show, an astute viewer noted that a possible Bigfoot appears in the video. It can be seen around the 50 second mark in the footage.

What is it? Who knows? It’s a bipedal creature walking around in the woods at night in the freezing cold Vermont forest with no flashlight. It’s either a human or a Bigfoot, we can’t tell which. But how many humans walk around in the woods at night with no flashlight? I’ve been in the woods at night all my life, and I’ve never once seen a human walking around in the woods at night without a light. I would say that they nearly don’t even exist.

Ketchum Project has material from the Lovelock skulls of Nevada. The Lovelock skulls of Nevada are very strange skulls recovered from a cave in Nevada. The local Indians say that those are the skulls of an enemy of their people called “the giants” who lived in the area. The giants had started stealing Indian babies for food, so the Indians chased the giants into the cave, threw bushes in and set them on fire. All of the Indians died in the cave. The Indians describe the giants as huge and red-haired. There is speculation that the giants may have been Bigfoots.

The late, great Richard Stubstad told me that he went to this Nevada museum where the skulls are held. He convinced one of the workers there to let him steal a tiny bone from one of the skeletons. Stubstad took the bone and gave it to Ketchum to test as a possible Bigfoot. Last I heard was that Ketchum never tested it as she thought that the Lovelock skeletons are just Indians.

Arguing against the idea that the skulls are Bigfoots are that a number of Indian artifacts were found in conjunction with the giants, which suggests that they were Indians, not Bigfoots.

Here is a photo of the Lovelock skulls. They are very large.

The Provo Canyon Bigfoot video. A very interesting video was recently shot in Provo Canyon, Utah by a group of young people in their 20′s who were camping in the area. The original video is only 48 seconds long. They are photographing what they think is a bear on the hillside above them when suddenly it stands up on two legs, looking much like a Bigfoot. The shooters then flee in terror, even leaving much of their equipment behind.

Michael Merchant of Team Tazer then conducted a long 45 minute interview with the group. He concludes that the video appears to be real. The subject in the video is either real or it’s a man in a costume. I don’t think it’s a guy in a costume, and I don’t think these young folks hoaxed this video. In other words, I think it’s a Bigfoot.

The original video, now with an incredible 6 million views, is here.

Fulton County, Illinois trailcam Bigfoot. This very odd image below was captured on a trailcam in Fulton County, Illinois. The people who shot the photo say they do not have the slightest idea what it is. The woman who shot the photo is named Jean King and she lives in Fulton County.

She sent the photo into Prairie State Outdoors a while back. The photo had been languishing in the archives of the site unpublicized until a sharp-eyed researcher found it. It’s not a bear. It does look like a Bigfoot. It’s either a Bigfoot or a guy in a suit. So which is it?

Ok, so what the Hell is it? Does it look anything at all like the Melissa Hovey photo?

The extremely curious Rick Dyer camper Bigfoot video. This video has been taking the world by storm since it was released a month or two ago to much controversy. Dyer, of course, is the used car salesman who masterminded the Bigfoot in a freezer hoax out of Georgia a few years back.

After that, he was involved in some other nonsense, including what looks like hoaxed photos and a possible staged event where his camper truck caught on fire as he was leaving to go north to Canada to try to shoot a Bigfoot. One of my sources told me that he set the camper on fire on purpose to get publicity for his Canada stunt.

Dyer has somehow come into some money and has managed to attract a number of investors. He now has a significant team set up and has been running around the north of the country going on various Bigfoot hunting expeditions with his team.

This video showed up on Youtube and sat there for a couple of weeks, only garnering a handful of views. The Bigfoot was shot out of a tent, and the researchers apparently didn’t even know what they had shot a video of as it was uploaded either upside down or sideways. The Bigfoot occurs mispositioned at the end. The video was on a channel for the team’s personal use and apparently was intended to be viewed only by the team.

Somehow Facebook Find Bigfoot saw the video and figured out that the movie was inverted. They righted the video so the figure could be properly seen. A new video in color showed that this was an actual Bigfoot. Then the video went viral and a huge shitstorm ensued.

Although Dyer was not originally associated with the video, some excellent fieldwork by one of Bigfootery’s finest researchers, Steve Kulls, quickly discovered that the video was shot by either Dyer himself or a member of his team.

Then everyone piled on and said this proved that the video was a fake. However, it did not prove this at all. In a conversation with me, Kulls admitted that he never said that the video was fake. He is merely saying that since it is coming from Dyer, an extremely unreliable source with a history of hoaxing, Occam’s Razor would seem to indicate that the extremely hazy nature of the source means that we will never be able to prove whether or not this is a Bigfoot.

Facebook Find Bigfoot was involved with the video from the very start. They felt that the video was shot by a member of Dyer’s team, that the team had no idea what it was for weeks (it was shot upside down, the Bigfoot only appears in the last 2-3 seconds of a 30 second nearly nonsensical video, and after 2 weeks, it had less than 10 views.

According to Facebook FB, this seems to indicate that it is not a hoax. They also thought that the other team members had thrown Dyer out of the group after news broke that he was a member of their group. The team also said that they had more videos, possibly of this same Bigfoot, including one showing the Bigfoot eating something.

They planned to release these videos at a press conference in the near future, but the conference never happened. Of course, the Bigfoot in a freezer catastrophe had also featured a press conference, so this set off even more alarm bells. The community is now sharply divided on this video, with many saying it’s a hoax.

However, I think this is either a real video or it’s the best hoax ever made. I don’t care if Dyer shot it. Just because Dyer has a history of hoaxing doesn’t mean he couldn’t shoot a real video sometime.

Interesting photo showing the Camper Creature next to a photo of Patty.

Camper Bigfoot lined up with Patty. Note the striking resemblance. I’ve yet to see a costume get anywhere this close to Patty’s real look.

Original video enhanced. This is the 2-3 second scene at the end of the original video, enhanced, in color, and played repeatedly.

A great breakdown by Facebook Find Bigfoot that proves this is real.

Bigfoot with love handles breakdown by Facebook Find Bigfoot. Very nice breakdown of an obscure video posted on Youtube and discovered with only a few views. This is definitely a Bigfoot; it has to be. I won’t go into why I think that either. Hoaxers are way too good as it is, and I don’t want to give them any ideas.

Clinton Township, Pennsylvania Bigfoot. Reportedly taken by Jamie T. It was sent into the Bigfoot Evidence blog. The photo is being widely ridiculed as either a guy in a suit or a bush in the forest. However, I rather like it. To me it reminds me of the Harley Hoffman Bigfoot video towards the end of the video. The overall shape of the Bigfoot looks similar.

The mysterious Bigfoot photo from Pennsylvania. Reportedly shot from the front sear of a car. The car had probably pulled off the highway after seeing something. The driver then whipped out his camera and took this shot. The property is posted so the shooter was not able to go on the land to look for tracks.

Canadian Bigfoot video. There is little information available about this very blurry video shot in the wilds of Canada. You cannot make out much of anything about the creature walking in the woods in this video other than the fact that it is bipedal. It’s either a man, a guy in a suit or a Bigfoot. The way it walks reminds me very much of the Penguis Back Road video. And the end of the day, inconclusive, but I do feel that this may be a real Bigfoot.

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More on the Sierra Kills and Bigfoot DNA

Regarding the Sierra Kills, in which two Bigfoots were shot and killed in Plumas County, California, in November 2010, new evidence has surfaced casting doubt on the shooter’s story.

The shooter claims that he went back two weeks later and dug through the snow to find a 7 inch long by 4 inch wide by 3 inch deep “Bigfoot steak.”

Many people have suggested that finding such a huge chunk of a dead Bigfoot in the snow two weeks later is dubious.

Bigfoot steak was carved off a body with a knife. We now have information that Dr. Melba Ketchum, who is running the DNA project, said that the Bigfoot steak seemed to have been carved off of a dead body with either a knife or some sort of tool. This suggests that the story about the shooter finding it two weeks later in the snow is not true. Instead, the logical suggestion is that the shooter carved it off the body before he left that day or took one or more of the bodies or parts with him and carved it off later.

Shooter wants amnesty from prosecution. Sources on Taxidermy.net continue to believe that the shooter took one or more of the bodies or parts of them with him that day and that he continues to hold evidence. They say that unless he gets an amnesty for prosecution for shooting the Bigfoots, he will disappear all of the evidence. I support giving the shooter amnesty. In fact, I put an attorney in touch with him for just that reason.

Erickson/Ketchum Project chaos. Ketchum and Adrian Erickson continue to have a huge falling out. For a long time, she was not even returning his phone calls. This is all because he won’t sign one of her  fancy new NDA’s that gives her all the rights and him none. However, she did call him recently because she was upset at all of the leaks and was wondering who was behind them.

Ketchum paper accepted for peer review? According to a comment on Cryptomundo, Ketchum submitted her paper to a journal for peer review in early December 2010 and the journal accepted it early February 2011. That means that the paper meets the required scientific standards for the journal, and that, even if some reviewers have critical comments during the peer review process, it will still be accepted with some sort of changes, ranging from major to minor. If true, this is excellent news.

However, on June 11, 2011, Rich Germeau of the Olympic Project stated on a forum that the paper had not been sent out yet. So the situation is very confused.

However, if the commenter is correct and Germeau is wrong then the Ketchum paper is in much better shape than I thought it was.

Bigfoot steak DNA tests positive for a Bigfoot. On a recent radio show, JC Johnson and Derek Randles suggested obliquely that DNA tests on the Bigfoot steak had tested positive as coming from an actual Bigfoot.

Is the Sierra Kills story a hoax? Some people say that the Sierra Kills story is a hoax. They believe that the shooter hoaxed the story by making it up. He went to Taxidermy.net and made up a big story about killing two Bigfoots. Then he fooled the Olympic Project into believing his story. Then he somehow hoaxed the Bigfoot steak sent to Ketchum’s lab, though in order to do this, he would have had to have cut a slice off of a very hairy human cadaver.

Sources who believe in this say that there could be various reasons why he would do this. For one, they say he is an extreme redneck and an ultra rightwinger who supposedly did not believe in Bigfoot before. They say this is just the sort of person who creates a Bigfoot hoax. They also feel that he is a highly disreputable and unreliable person, and this sheds doubt on his tale.

In addition, according to a thread on Taxidermy.net, two Black bears, a mother and a cub, were reportedly shot dead near the Dixie Mountain Game Refuge at the beginning of November 2010. The sources suggest that the shooter shot a female bear and her cub and turned that story into the shooting of two Bigfoots. Adding weight to this, the Nevada Department of Fish and Game, asked about the Sierra Kills story, said that it was two bears that were killed and not two Bigfoots.

As far as the Bigfoot steak, sources say that judging from the shooter’s character, he would not be below slicing a piece off the thigh of a human cadaver.

I don’t believe that this story is a hoax.

Shooter very religious, a polarizing personality. We have more information on the shooter. He moved from Texas to another state, apparently with his family, at at least age 16 and has lived in this state ever since. He is extremely religious – a fundamentalist Christian. I have seen a photo of him at age 16 after killing two bucks. His hair is dyed punk rock flame red and he has a pro-Christian t-shirt on.

I’ve been accused of harping on the shooter’s character. It’s true that I don’t like him, and a lot of others don’t either. However, he has a wife who loves him and a wide circle of friends.

Some people are just bad. Everyone agrees. Not so with this guy.

The shooter instead is more of a polarizing figure, something like his hero George Bush. The very things that those who don’t like him hate about him are what make a lot of others think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. As he says on his webpage: “I’m the type of guy you either love or hate. I’m fine either way.” This is a much better way of looking at his character as opposed to flat out saying he’s a bad guy.

Possible Sierra Kills government coverup. Supposing that the Sierra Kills actually happened, the Nevada wildlife officials’ statements is evidence of the government coverup that I have long said must be happening in the realm of Bigfoot.

Possible government investigation into the Sierra Kills and the Bigfoot steak. A new piece by Loren Coleman reveals some very strange emails he has gotten about the Sierra Kills. He has received some emails from folks claiming to have some sort of government connection. They say that federal investigators are closely watching the Sierra Kills investigation. They are monitoring the web forums and blogs and they know who all the players are and what their roles are. When they feel that laws have been broken, they will act.

What is interesting about all of this is that it suggests that the Sierra Kills may have actually happened and that it was not a hoax. Or at least the government seems to think that it happened, or that something happened anyway, as the emails are confusing.

This all smells of Men in Black stuff, but I have said for a long time that MIB are involved in a coverup of Bigfoot evidence.

A Bigfoot is found dead in a man’s yard in Washington state in 2003. He calls the police, but instead of police showing up, a black helicopter lands in his yard and MIB’s get out armed with automatic weapons. They order the man into his home, load the Bigfoot into the copter and fly away.

A sheriff’s deputy responds to a Bigfoot killed by the side of the road in Ohio. He radios for help, and backup shows up. They rope off the scene. Then state police show up. Then the National Guard shows up. Then a black van pulls up, two US soldiers get out, and they cart the Bigfoot to the van and drive away.

There are many more such stories. MIB’s actually exist, but hardly anyone talks about them. Guys dressed all in black, black helicopters, black vans – that’s all military intelligence, top secret, classified. I understand that a black helicopter was used in the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Here are the emails about the Sierra Kills case and Ketchum’s lab using the Bigfoot steak:

I did hear from one of my retired federal investigator sources who still works for them as a consulting evidence expert. He told me essentially they know what is going on and are watching the situation. They have all the forum reports, know where the supposed samples came from, who is and who is not involved and what roles they’re playing.

I get the feeling from him that national security is somehow involved. I don’t know how except perhaps it might have something to do with release or misuse of technology that’s considered vital (educated guess). This is a new area in advanced research and puts a real dent in the how much anyone working on new technology can say or release in any form.

Beyond this he can tell me nothing in specific except that when and if they decide laws have been broken they will act. I know he holds a Top Secret clearance with compartmentalizations. He has multiple degrees in scientific fields and consults for several agencies on evidentiary issues. My work for him was routine but he’s really an interesting person.

He made no reference to any hoax other than to say they know what’s going on and who’s responsible. They will act if and when they decide the situation warrants it. It isn’t quite as bad as portrayed in the Indiana Jones movies but almost so.

And this, also:

I suspect there’s more beyond this supposed hoax than we’ll ever know. This business with the so called Dr. Ketchum smells like another stinking hoax and you’ve done a good job of reporting like you did in 2008. However, this time I’m not buying into it. I don’t know what’s up but when one of the people I’ve done work for in my past government careers tells me for my own good to stay out of a mess I should take his advice.

It’s an interesting twist with the feds watching the whole deal and I wonder what’s up and why but like I said when a friend says stay out I stay out. I suspect that we’ll never know the whole story. So much information is hidden in the name of national security that it’s ridiculous.

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We See What We Want to See

Forget whether Bigfoots exist for a second.

I was reading some Bigfoot sightings when I noticed something strange. In some cases, people were simply seeing what they wanted to see. They didn’t want to see Bigfoots, so they didn’t see them. Real simple. In two cases, they didn’t even really know what a Bigfoot was.

Case 1: A 12 year old boy lived in an area north of Reno, Nevada in 1972. There was a new housing tract in the area, but it was the only one there. There was an explosion of rabbits in the area for some reason. The neighborhood boys used to prowl around the ravines that ran up the ridges that overlooked the valley. They liked to look for lizards and rocks. One time they were up a ravine when suddenly the boy in the lead turned around.

There was a 7-8 foot tall Bigfoot standing maybe 30 feet away, very near to a friend of his and also near the boy in the rear. The boy in the rear was utterly frozen in terror. He could not move, plain and simple. The one in the center was just agitated.

The boy in the front made the sighting report. He had never heard of a Bigfoot before. Although the creature in front of him had long arms, was 7.5 feet tall and covered with hair, he chose to see it as a “giant Negro bum.” The face looked like a Black face, so he plugged that into his schema. The hair covered body he chose to see as a man dressed head to toe in black, with a black ski cap, black ski jacket, black gloves, black ski pants and black boots. What was he doing in the ravine? A lot of bums passed through the area, so he decided he was a bum.

The boy in the center was freaking out. “That’s not a man!” he yelled.

The boy at front got angry, “Yes it is! It’s a man!”

This argument went on a couple of times. After about 30 seconds, the Bigfoot turned around and in a few steps, was gone from sight.

For the next few weeks, the boy insisted he had seen a large Black man in the ravine, until he had another encounter at his house late at night when dogs chased a Bigfoot into his yard, and the Bigfoot crashed into the house. Then he really started thinking.

The point here is that the boy didn’t know what a Bigfoot was, so he plugged in the nearest known thing that he could think of. Our mind can’t really conceptualize “monsters,” “aliens” and whatnot, so we just decide that an unknown thing is whatever known thing it resembles.

There may be another mechanism. Anxiety reduction. We have to generalize about a million things every day just to get through the day. We can’t go around freaking out over every other thing we see. In order to reduce anxiety, we try to see things in the most unthreatening light as possible.

“Is this guy going to kill me?”

“No, he’s not going to kill me. I’ll be ok.”

There are folks who don’t do this. We call them paranoids.

Come to think of it, anxiety reduction doesn’t seem so adaptive. Your average wild animal has a look of fear and anger in its eyes most of the time. That’s how you survive in the woods. Fight or flight. It would seem to be advantageous to survival to freak out badly when we see something scary, in order to high tail it out of there and live another day.

But there is another suggestion. The anxiety reduction may not be total. Instead it may be just enough. If you get too anxious, you get like the last kid in the scenario above. You’re so freaked out, you’re frozen. You can’t even run anymore. This is probably a survival thing too. Freeze and you look like a tree or the landscape.* But you can also end up dead real fast. You can shit your pants, and then you won’t feel like running. It’s possible to be too scared. So scared, you’re about dead meat.

The first kid in the scenario admitted that he was scared out of his mind. But not so scared he was frozen. Choosing to see the stranger as a “Black bum” was terrifying enough. He was just frightened enough to take off running if he had to. Choosing to see the stranger as a “monster that’s going to kill me in the next 30 seconds” was not adaptive. It was likely to leave him frozen dead meat or uselessly crapping his pants.

Case 2: The same kid, a few years later, was fishing in a lake in the High Sierras. He caught a trout and threw it back. Then he looked across the lake and saw a Bigfoot female squatting on the edge of the lake looking at him. Even though she was 7-8 feet tall, naked and covered with hair, the first question he asked himself was, “What’s that hillbilly woman doing over there.”

Never mind that “hillbilly women” are not hair-covered, 7-8 feet tall and don’t wander around naked. He ignored all of that, even though that’s not rational. Instead, he plugged in the most sensible and comforting thought that he could think of. Seeing it a hillbilly woman was irrational, but it felt better than, “There’s a goddamned monster across the lake that’s going to kill me right now.”

Case 3: A man had some time off in British Colombia in 1965 and was hunting grizzly bears. He was on a logging road when he suddenly saw three Bigfoots in a field. They were rolling over and over in the grass. He dove under a rise and peeked over it. His gun at the ready. He was seeing three grizzly bears. Finally, the roughhousing stopped, and two of the Bigfoots started having sex in the human position. Another stood off the to side on two legs watching. Grizzlies probably don’t do the missionary position but no matter.

Finally he sighted his gun at the one Bigfoot that wasn’t getting any and fired. At that, all three Bigfoots took off running very fast into the woods on two legs. Even after all of this, he was still convinced that he had seen three grizzly bears and shot at one of them. He continued to believe this until a while later, when he learned more about Sasquatch and decided that they were Sasquatch. People asked him why he could have possibly thought a Bigfoot was a grizzly bear, and his answer was classic, “I was hunting for bears, so I saw bears.”

He saw what he wanted to see. Further, he didn’t really know what a Bigfoot was, so the nearest thing he could plug into what he was seeing was “grizzly bears.” That certain aspects of the sighting were senseless in terms of a bear sighting were ignored. Bears can’t run quickly on two legs. They can only take a few steps before they drop.

We see what we want to see. If you want to take this away from wildlife and plug this worldview into human life in general, politics, sociology, psychology, race relations, so many things start coming together.

We see what we want to see.

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Why No Bigfoot Bones and Bodies?

Warning: Long, runs to 50 pages.

This is the classic argument for the nonexistence of Bigfoots, Yetis, Almas, Mawas, Yerens, Yowies, Orang Pendeks and other relict hominids.

It’s a good argument as far as it goes. But what are the chances of finding a whole dead body of anything in the woods? Very slim. My friends found a dead bobcat once, but they had to scale a waterfall from a deep pool to do it. I’ve never found any dead anything in the woods. In regions where there is a huge deer population, you can find a few deer bones here and there. You will certainly never find a whole skeleton or a whole dead deer unless it’s road-killed.

Most animals are not discovered by finding a dead body or bones. They are found by shooting a specimen, which is then called a type specimen and is thereby known to science.

Bigfoots appear to carry off their dead. They are sometimes hit by cars, but in those cases, the Bigfoots usually just ran off after being hit by the cars. In one case, a woman hit a Bigfoot and was killed in the accident. The Bigfoot was also killed. Authorities sealed off the area, and when researchers went back the next day, the body was gone.

In the past 35 years or so, there are reports of a government coverup regarding dead and injured Bigfoots. Prior to 35 years ago, we received no such reports outside the military.

Bigfoots live in family groups. Where you see one, there are others about. Bigfoots seem to carry off their dead. In the Siege of Honobia in Oklahoma, a Bigfoot was shot and possibly killed, but was apparently carried off by the others. A roadkilled Bigfoot would probably be carried off by the others.

There is also evidence that Bigfoots bury their dead.

Bigfoot Burials and Graveyards

Date unknown, modern era: Northern California. A witness saw four Bigfoots carrying bones. The longest bone was up to four feet long. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Date unknown, modern era: Pacific Northwest. A man witnessed three Bigfoots digging a hole with their hands to bury a fourth Bigfoot. Afterward, they rolled rocks on the grave. Reported by Roger Patterson.

Date unknown, modern era: Starkey, Oregon. In the Blue Mountains, Sue Sebring found unusual cobble piles in the forest. Possible Bigfoot graveyard. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Date unknown, modern era: Alder Creek, Sandy, Oregon. East of Portland, Peter Byrne noted an unusual mound of earth along the creek. Reported by Ray Crowe.

1949: Pacific Northwest. A man reported seeing three Bigfoots, two older males and a female, laying a dead young female Bigfoot out on top of a rock on a mountain peak. This is probably the simplest Bigfoot burial, similar to the sky burials of ancient humans. John Green did not believe the story, but looking at other reports, it seems reasonable. Reported by John Green.

1962-1967: Northern Washington state. A man witnessed three Bigfoots burying a fourth one. Reported by Peter Byrne.

After 1972: Klamath Agency, Oregon. A bulldozer driver was building a road in the forest. He ran the road through an area of large stones in a circle 20 feet in diameter, with smaller stones in the middle. The next day, he would come back and all of the stones were replaced in their original positions after he had bulldozed them away. This went on for some time, and eventually, he built the road around the area. Possible Bigfoot burial site. Reported by Vic McDaniel.

Before 1975: Location unknown, probably Pacific Northwest. Three Bigfoots were witnessed digging a hole with their hands to bury a fourth Bigfoot. When the hole was filled in, huge boulders were rolled over the site. Reported by Glen Thomas.

1985: Calapooia River, Oregon. In the Oregon Coast Range, Gold miners found a 50 foot wide area where the tops of all trees had been broken off around the perimeter. In the clearing, there was a deer carcass and two piles of smooth, five inch cobblestones, about 2.5 feet high, separated by 20 feet. The previous night, the miners had been frightened by strange screams and the sounds of breaking trees. They never went back to excavate the area. Possible Bigfoot burial site. Reported by Ray Crowe.

1989: McMinnville, Starkey, Oregon. Scott White found strange piles of rocks in a clearing with smashed trees.  Possible Bigfoot burial site. Reported by Ray Crowe.

1990: Estacada, Oregon. East of Portland, a hunter found a dead baby Bigfoot ten feet up in a tree. He reported that it was just a small, furry little thing. He was interested in the tree in the first place due to large scat piles all around it. The dead Bigfoot was buried in the boughs of an evergreen and was covered with covered with other boughs.

The hunter thought that the scat piles were from the mother Bigfoot who had been sitting under the tree mourning the death of her baby. This could be called an “Indian style burial,” as Indians in the Pacific Northwest used to bury their dead up in trees, albeit in caskets.

The hunter called Portland State University and told them he had found a dead baby Bigfoot. They laughed at him and told him that they were not interested in looking at it. After all, Bigfoots don’t exist. The man stuck the baby Bigfoot in his deep freeze, and that’s the last we’ve heard of it. Reported by Ray Nab.

Summer 1992: Estacada, Oregon, near Bagby Hot Springs. A philosophy teacher saw two Bigfoots, either a male and female or two females. There were two young, auburn colored Bigfoots with them. They were in a riverbed, burying another Bigfoot under a pile of stones. They had not dug a hole; they were just burying it with rocks. He stated that the Bigfoots were acting “sad.” The site was rechecked by an investigator one year later, but flooding had washed the stones away, and the site could not be rediscovered. Reported by Ray Crowe.

We see over and over here reports of 3-4 Bigfoots participating in the burial of another, as if it is some kind of a ceremony.

After 1995: Whidbey Island, Washington. Rhett Mullis found large mounds on this island in Puget Sound where there is no history of Indian residence. A large pit had been dug out but had not yet been used. There was a “hallway” along a well-used trail and scat was scattered around. The mounds were covered with large hand-sized rocks. Plants had been pulled up and placed on top of the mounds in order to hide them. Possible Bigfoot graveyard. Reported by Rhett Mullis.

October 21, 2002: Estacada, Oregon. Possible Bigfoot burial grounds consisting of pits and stacks of heavy rocks were found at a high elevation in the Clackamas River Gorge. They could not be Indian burial grounds. Reported by the BFRO.

Conclusion

From 1949-present, a 62 year period, 14 Bigfoot burials or possible Bigfoot graveyards have been seen. Therefore, Bigfoot burials or graveyards are seen every 4.4 years, about once every 4 1/2 years.

Dead or Captured Bigfoots

Unknown date: Klakas Inlet, Southern Alaska. In far southern Alaska on Prince of Wales Island, a Bigfoot was reportedly shot and buried at the mouth of a stream on the north side of the inlet. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Date unknown, modern era: Location unknown. A wealthy hunter reportedly shot and killed a Bigfoot, then paid a taxidermist to stuff it, and it’s presently on display in some ritzy country club on the East Coast. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Near Roseburg, Oregon. A hunter found a dead Bigfoot by a stream. He poked it and got no response. He tried to carry it out with the help of his hunting companions, but it was too heavy at 700-900 pounds. They went back to town to get a truck to cart it out with, but when they came back, it was gone. They found the footprints of another Bigfoot, which had apparently carried it away. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Near Great Falls, Montana. A man’s dog brought in a huge leg bone, from the pelvis to a foot. The man suspected it was a Bigfoot, so he gave it to a local university, but they could not identify it, and they never gave it back. The dog brought in another possible Bigfoot body part, but it smelled so bad that the man buried it. Coyotes then dug it up and ate it. Great Falls Tribune, Great Falls, Montana, “The Beast’s Foot.” Date unknown. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Electric Peak, Gardiner, Montana. Two boys cross-country skiing on this mountain just north of Yellowstone National Park found the decomposed body of a Bigfoot. It was partly covered by a rock avalanche. The pelvis was crushed, and the skull was missing and had apparently been taken by headhunters. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Copper Mountain near Brewster, Washington. Two men hiking in the Okanagon Mountains witnessed a bizarre battle between two Bigfoots. The larger one was said to be 12 feet tall. It was fighting a smaller brownish one. They were rolling in the dirt, punching, scratching and throwing dirt and logs.

The smaller one tripped, and the big one smashed his head with a big rock, killing it. It then leaped on the dead Bigfoot, tore at its stomach, tearing out some of its guts, which it ate. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Pybus Bay, Admiralty Island, Alaska. A man found two bodies of possible baby Bigfoots, 2.5 feet tall. There was still some hair and skin attached to them. They had huge jaws and teeth. The bodies had been under the snow. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Route 95, Maryland. A woman saw a hairy humanoid figure lying in the road dead as she drove around emergency vehicles. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Yankton, Oregon. Near the Colombia River north of Portland, a hunter shot a Bigfoot four times between the eyes and killed it. It rolled off the road. The man came back 24 hours later, and the body was gone. There was a set of three tracks, possibly a family group – a male, a female and a juvenile. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era, Amboy, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, a hunter reported that he shot and killed a male Bigfoot on an old logging road. Upon hearing that there was a $10,000 fine for killing a Bigfoot, the hunter hung up the phone on the researcher. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era, The Dalles, Oregon. Near the Colombia River, the US Forest Service was doing some clearing of BLM land, and they found a live juvenile Bigfoot sleeping in a BLM shelter. They roped it and took it in a vehicle to The Dalles. No further data. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Date unknown, modern era: Ohio. An Ohio sheriff’s deputy reported that he found a Bigfoot killed by a car by the side of the road. He called for backup, but soon the Ohio State Patrol came and blocked off the road. Then a dark van came, and three men in military uniforms loaded the Bigfoot into the van and took it away. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Alabama.  The same man involved in the Carson, Wyoming case above shot another Bigfoot later on. This time the government found out about it and was angry that he killed the Bigfoot. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date: Sonora, Mexico. Rich Grumley reported that a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then buried it. Reported by Rich Grumley.

Unknown date: Coshocton County, Oklahoma. Possible Bigfoot arm found in the woods. All that remained was skin, bones and hair. A specialist ran tests on it and said it did not come from any known animal in the area, nor from a human or an ape. He felt it was the best evidence yet for Bigfoot. Present status of the remains is unknown. Reported by Mary Green.

1820′s: Near Pomona, La Verne and Claremont, California. A “Devil Indian” or Bigfoot female, was captured by early White settlers, but was soon released. The local Gabrielino Indians reported that the Devil Indians of this area were tall, hairy, smelled bad and roamed around at night. They had large hands and feet and were very fast. Reported by J.P. Harrington.

June 20, 1829: Okefenokee Swamp, Georgia. A team of hunters set out in an attempt to track down and kill a Bigfoot in the swamp. After tracking for two weeks, they were set upon by the Bigfoot one night. The men opened up with all their guns, but it seemed useless. Five of the men were killed by the Bigfoot, who then tore all of the men’s heads off. The surviving men opened up on the Bigfoot, finally killing it. Reported by the Augusta Chronicle, Augusta, Georgia, March 12, 2000 – “Hunters Told of Swamp Creature’s Attack.”

January 1839: St Peters River, Wisconsin. A team of explorers captured a male Bigfoot and two juveniles. The description describes a Bigfoot very well. It is not known what happened afterward. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

1855: SE Oklahoma, Choctaw Territory. Bigfoots had been raiding Choctaw settlements for some time, mostly stealing crops. But then they started stealing human children, apparently to kill and eat them, and the Choctaw had had enough. A party, organized by Joshua LeFlore, set out to get the Bigfoots. They tracked them to a mound where the dead children were that the Bigfoots had been killing and eating. The Bigfoots were covered in hair and smelled bad.

The search party’s horses all reared when they saw the Bigfoots. LeFlore emptied his pistol at a Bigfoot, but it was useless, and the Bigfoot ripped his head off. The rest of the team opened up on the Bigfoots with elephant guns, aiming at the head. Two Bigfoots dropped. The final Bigfoot was finished off with a hunting knife. The party made a fire and burned the Bigfoots on the fire. 3 Bigfoots were killed in all.

January 21, 1855: Waldoboro, Maine. J.W. McHenry was chopping wood at his home when he looked up and saw an 18 inch tall juvenile Bigfoot. He captured it and made a pet out of it. Reported by Bigfoot Encounters website.

1856: Ohio or West Virginia. Possible Bigfoot skeleton found with bullet holes in its skull. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

After 1865: Saline, Arkansas. 7 foot Bigfoot captured. Reported by Otto Ernest Rayburn, Ozark Country, pp.313-14, quoted in INFO Journal:1 pp.48-9.

1878: Tennessee. 6’5 Bigfoot captured and displayed in Louisville, Kentucky. Reported by Louisville Courier-Journal, Louisville, Kentucky, Oct 24, 1878.

1880′s: Montana, near the Canadian border. A Bigfoot was killed by a train, and its body was stuck under the train. Reported by Rita Swift.

July 4, 1884: East of Yale, British Colombia. In the Fraser River Region, railroad-men from the British Colombia Express Company’s train stopped their train when it seemed that someone was asleep near the tracks. A juvenile male Bigfoot woke up, barked, and started to climb up a steep bluff. The workers decided to chase him. One got up above him on the slope and dropped a rock on the Bigfoot. It disoriented him enough that they were able to get a rope around him, capture him and put him on the train.

They named the Bigfoot “Jacko.” Jacko had bruises on his head and upper body, and they assumed that he had gotten too near the edge of the bluff and had fallen over and landed, stunned, near the tracks. Jacko had been seen in the area where he was captured recently, but residents thought he was either a bear or a stray Indian dog.

Jacko was 4’7, weighed 127 pounds and was covered with shiny black hair. He was extremely strong. Jacko did not communicate other than making half-bark, half-growl sounds. He was fed berries and milk. There are conflicting reports on what happened to Jacko. Some reports said he was taken into Yale where a man made a pet of him. Other reports said that Jacko escaped from the train before it got to Yale.

There are other reports that say this whole matter was a hoax, but I believe it was true. For one thing, John Green received a letter from Adele Bastin, whose mother remembered that people continued to talk of Jacko long afterward. Reported by The Colonist of Victoria, British Colombia, July 4, 1884. The best analysis was by Myra Shackley.

There are reports that soon after, a Bigfoot matching Jacko’s description was shot and killed in the same general area by a group of men.

September 5, 1886: Washington County, Kansas. Four Bigfoots, a male, a female, a young female and a juvenile, were captured. They were covered in black hair and could not communicate. The female only made grunting sounds. Reported by the New York Times, September 5, 1886.

1900: Prince of Wales Island, Alaska. An Eskimo shot and buried a Bigfoot. The Eskimo came out of the forest onto the beach and was met face to face with a Bigfoot. He opened fire and killed the Bigfoot. He and two other Eskimos then buried the Bigfoot on the beach. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1905: Gardner Canal, British Colombia. On the coast of central British Colombia, a Bigfoot was reportedly shot and killed, but there are no further details. Reported on the British Colombia Scientific Cryptozoology Club website.

February 15, 1908: McHenry, North Dakota. An apparent Bigfoot was captured near town. He was covered with hair and had eye teeth like fangs. He refused to eat and could not communicate. He only drank water, half a bucket at a time. Reported by the Stevens Point Journal, Stevens, Wisconsin, February 15, 1908.

1921: Terrebone, Louisiana. Hunters killed a Bigfoot and dumped the body in an old well. Later a skeleton was found and taken to Tulane University, where professors could not identify it, and it disappeared. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1924: Ape Canyon, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, miners shot and killed a Bigfoot, which fell off a cliff into a river below. Other Bigfoots retaliated and bombarded their cabin with rocks. Reported by Fred Beck.

1928: South Bentnick Arm, near Bella Coola, British Colombia. On the coast of central British Colombia, George Talleo shot and killed a Bigfoot. He left the scene and did not come back. Reported by the Sasquatch-BC website.

After 1937: Green River, Washington. In the Cascades east of Tacoma, a hunter saw a bear grubbing in a log and shot and killed it. Turned out he had killed a Bigfoot. Feeling that he had shot a “hairy man” (a human being), he buried it under a pile of rocks and never told anyone until he confessed on his deathbed. Reported by Datus Perry.

1940: Southeastern Missouri. Jared Sparks killed an apparent Bigfoot (he described it only as “like a gorilla”) that had been killing horses and cattle by tearing them apart. Disposition of body unknown. Reported by John Keel in Strange Creatures.

1940: Near Kaluka, Alaska. A female Bigfoot was captured and fed fish in captivity. For some reason, all of her hair fell out and she died. John Green, The Sasquatch File.

Fall 1941: Near Basket Lake, Manitoba. A 17 year old boy hunting out of season shot and killed a Bigfoot that he thought was a moose. He left it in the forest because he thought it was human and because he was hunting out of season. He went back sometime later, and the body was gone. Reported on the BFRO site.

1943: Georgia, near the South Carolina border. A Bigfoot was shot and killed by a shotgun, hit with 60 bullets after it was tracked by a group of men, because it was killing sheep and calves by tearing off their legs. The reddish-brown Bigfoot was buried on the outskirts of town. Reported by Rich Grumley. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1953: Alder Creek Canyon, Sandy, Oregon. East of Portland, a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then buried the body. Reported by Peter Byrne.

1958-1960: Overton County, Tennessee. Bigfoot stealing chickens was shot dead by the owner of the chickens. They drove it around the area to see if anyone could identify it. Disposition of body unknown. Reported by Mary Green.

After 1960: Pendicton, British Colombia. In south-central British Colombia, two fishermen found a dead Bigfoot along the trail. They first smelled the corpse, then found the body. Upon investigating, they heard sounds in the brush. Fearing it was another Bigfoot, they quickly left the scene. They went back with wildlife officials 10 days later and there was only a dark spot on the trail. Had a bear eaten it? Had other Bigfoots hauled it off? Reported by Peter Byrne.

1960′s: Douglas, Oregon: In the Cascades west of the Umpqua National Forest, a farmer shot a Bigfoot and then somehow managed to take it back to his house, where he left it outside. Other Bigfoots then came that night and retrieved the body. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

November 9, 1962, 8:30 AM: O’Brien, Southwest Oregon, Oregon/California border. A elderly female Bigfoot, suffering from Lyme Disease, estimated age 40, about 8’2 and weighing 770 pounds, was killed on October 10 when a wild storm knocked a large Douglas fir down, crushing her. A road-clearing crew found her, and they did not have the foggiest idea what she was. Even the USFS did not know what she was. The Bigfoot was badly decomposed; nevertheless, from the description, she was obviously a Bigfoot.

At noon, a truck came and took the creature away. The district manager then ordered all workers to relocate 5 miles away for the rest of the week. He acted nervous and snappy around the workers.

A US Forest Service photographer, men from a university, along with a logging crew and some locals, took many photos. The district manager of the USFS ordered that all photos be turned into him because it had not yet been proven that the death was natural – that is, possibly it was a crime. Not all were turned in, and some photos in private hands still exist. For many years, one of the photos was on display in a local restaurant.

Three days later, the local ranger, Guy Adams from Cave Junction, began spreading a lie that the Bigfoot was a pet ape that had escaped from a local residence.

The story was not written up in the local press until 1963.

The Bigfoot was sent to California, then to Golden, Colorado for further examination. From there, in November, the body was sent to the DOI in San Diego for study. A file on the Bigfoot, USFS/33058-45333-294734-19B, along with bones and photos, was sent to the Smithsonian Museum, then the file case was closed to the public, and the photos and file were marked classified. The DOI ordered the Smithsonian to send the bones to the DOI on May 24 1963.

The information on the file, which is stamped “classified,” and marked exhibit 4377, in part reads:

Species: unknown biped

Date recorded: 3 /14 /63

Area: O’Brien-Dew Ridge

The bone structure of the specimen is unknown to DGDS

Analyses: Tissue samples indicate non human.

Regarding unknown biped. The subject discussed in the original file is complete with the finding of Dr. D. S. Gould. This is a medical conundrum as to the true species of said subject. Subject appears to be some species not known to date. Some indications are most related to human. Yet many indicate of a gorilla type.

It is noted the length of the subject is clearly not gorilla nor human because subject measurements indicate 98 inches in height. Estimation weight at time of death 770 lbs. This clearly concludes this subject is not consistent with known species of human or gorilla.

Conclusion: Sample is not consistent with any known species of animal/primate known. Seal per request noted.

The USFS could not figure out what the animal was. The feeling that it was some sort of an ape, granted it was bigger than apes typically are. The report did not indicate that the animal was a Bigfoot, since the USFS didn’t know what that was at the time. In 1964, the DOI classified the Bigfoot as very similar to an Eastern China Mountain Gorilla. They thought it was an escaped pet. Much of the remains were destroyed through testing and over time, so there may be few if any left. Reported on the Bigfoot Ballyhoo blog. However, some say that this whole story was made up by Linda Newton-Perry, who is a pathological liar.

January, 1965: Chemult, Oregon. On the Umpqua National Forest northwest of Crater Lake National Park, a Southern Pacific train traveling between between Bend and Klamath Falls towns hit a Bigfoot and killed it. The crew never reported it to their company or authorities because they thought they would be accused of drinking on the job. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1965: Kitimat, British Colombia. On the coast of central British Colombia, a Kitimat man shot and killed a Bigfoot near town. He was trying to drag the body away when other Bigfoots came out and tried to attack him. He barely escaped to his canoe. Reported on the British Colombia Scientific Cryptozoology Club website.

December 1967: Teton National Forest near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Two college students from Marshalltown, Iowa, Lyle Bingaman and Mike Burton, shot and killed a Bigfoot, thinking it was a bear. They were terrified that they had killed a human being and that they would be prosecuted for murder. Reported by Peter Byrne.

1968: North of Carson, Wyoming. Three men were hired by a rancher to kill a Bigfoot that was killing his cows and sheep by tearing off their legs. Afterward, the body was picked up by a government helicopter and taken to a research facility in Almogordo, New Mexico to be autopsied and studied. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

1969: Whiteface Reservoir, Minnesota. A hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then put the body on ice and displayed it for awhile before replacing it with a plastic replica. The famous Minnesota Iceman story.

After 1969: Clark, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, a man shot and killed a Bigfoot, then tried to sell it, but stopped when he thought it might have been illegal to kill the Bigfoot. No further details. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1970: Spokane, Washington. Grover Krantz reported that a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot. Reported by Grover Krantz.

June 1971: Happy Camp, California. In the Siskiyou Mountains, two girls found a badly decomposed Bigfoot on a forest road. It was thought to be a Bigfoot due to the color of the fingernails. No action was taken; apparently they just left it there. This was reported in the Salem Capital Journal, Salem, Oregon. Reported by John Green.

June 1976: Baltimore, Maryland. As unlikely as it sounds, a Bigfoot was reported here in May 1976. Police were called, and K-9′s initially refused to track it. Finally, the dogs tracked it to an interstate tunnel. A police officer then saw it run under the interstate. The next month, US army personnel were called out to deal with the Bigfoot. Reports indicate that soldiers captured or killed the Bigfoot. No further information. Government coverup. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

Unknown date, probably after 1980: Cowlitz or Yale, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, a Bigfoot was killed by a vehicle on a highway. A US Forest Service helicopter came and took the body away. Nothing further was heard. Government coverup. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Oregon: After 1980. A man and his son found a dead Bigfoot lying in a stream. They heard what sounded like another Bigfoot nearby watching over the dead one, and they quickly left the area. Reported by Cynthia Stayte.

July 1980: Mt. St. Helens, Washington. Up to 20 dead Bigfoots were dredged out of a river after the volcano eruption. They were taken by helicopter to a place where all the dead animals from the eruption were being buried in a landfill. The Bigfoots were guarded by National Guard troops. Asked what was to be done with them, the troops said that authorities were probably going to study them. A truck came to take the Bigfoot bodies away.

Five different witnesses, one named Fred Bradshaw, reported that Bigfoots were discovered by searchers and hauled away by arms of the government, including the Army Corps of Engineers and the National Guard. Witnesses were warned to keep quiet. Government coverup. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1980: Yakima Indian Reservation, Washington. Several Yakima Indians noted that a Bigfoot had been badly burned in the Mt. St. Helens eruption but had managed to survive. It was hanging out on the eastern end of their reservation afterward. They reported that a government helicopter came, bundled up the wounded Bigfoot and took it away. Government coverup. Reported on the Phantoms and Monsters website.

1982: Klamath, Oregon. On the Winema National Forest southeast of Crater Lake National Park, a Bigfoot was killed by a car. US Forest Service and local police sealed off the area, and the Bigfoot was hauled off in a truck. Government coverup. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1984-1985: Martin County, Indiana. Dogs cornered a female Bigfoot as she was giving birth. She ran away, abandoning her fetus. The dead fetus was taken to the game warden, but all evidence disappeared after that. Government coverup. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization website.

1991: Chelan, Washington. On the east slope of the Cascades, US Forest Service officials photographed a dead Bigfoot that was found by a prospector. Government coverup. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

August 1998: Battle Mountain, Nevada. Firefighters fighting a fire encountered a badly burned Bigfoot. A physician and a veterinarian were called in to treat it. It was whisked away in an unmarked van, and all of the BLM firefighters were forced to sign statements saying that they would say nothing of the incident, on penalty of losing their G-X status, jobs and pensions.

The Bigfoot was taken to a university in the Bay Area, where it was treated for a few days, then returned to an area about 150 miles from where it was captured. Government coverup. Reported by Thom Powell, The Locals.

Fall 1999: Connell Creek, Revillagigedo Island, Alaska. Near Ketchikan, Alaska, two men found an 8-inch hairy foot in sand by a creek. They threw it back in the creek. They said it belonged to neither a man nor a bear. Possible Bigfoot foot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

January 2000: Honobia, Oklahoma. The Siege of Honobia.  Bigfoot apparently shot and killed as part of a group that was raiding and harassing a rural residence. Other Bigfoots apparently carried off the dead Bigfoot. Reported by the BFRO.

July 2000: 13 miles east of Hood River, Oregon. Along the Colombia River, a dead Bigfoot was spotted on the highway on Interstate 84 off the highway in the westbound lane, apparently killed by a vehicle. The Bigfoot was grey and was stretched out in a fetal position with an arm outstretched. There were several witnesses. No further data on the case. There were no newspaper reports. Government coverup. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record. x

2001: Hood River area, Oregon. Another Bigfoot was reportedly killed on Interstate 84. When investigators went to investigate, they found only tracks and no body. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

2003: Duvall, Washington. Northeast of Seattle, a man’s dogs led him to a dead Bigfoot on his property. It had no apparent injuries. He thought maybe the dogs had scared the Bigfoot to death. The Bigfoot was 7-8 feet tall and weighed 350-400 pounds. He called Duvall police, but they never showed up. Instead, in about an hour, a black helicopter landed, and men dressed in all black came out. Ordering the man to stay in his house, they put the Bigfoot on a tarp and put it on the helicopter. Government coverup. Reported on the Oregon Bigfoot website.

November 12, 2003: Lafollette, Tennessee. A creature had been killing peoples’ animals. A woman’s goat and cat at the very least had been killed. She called the sheriff’s, and they came out with a team of deputies and told everyone to get their pets indoors as they were going to eliminate these animals. They tracked the Bigfoot and shot it dead over the next hill.

There were sirens wailing, and the Bigfoot screamed as it was shot. The woman left the scene. People saw a black body lying in a field the next morning. Ten minutes later, it had vanished. Planes flew around the area night and day for two weeks. Locals reported that there had been a hostile Bigfoot in the area, and they were trying to appease it by leaving food out for it so it would not kill their animals. Government coverup. Reported by Mary Green.

August 2006: Slim Buttes, Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota. A Bigfoot that had been named Chiye-tanka was shot and killed on the reservation. It was later given to the School of Mines to study. They sent it back, and it was given a ceremonial burial by Lakota elders. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Conclusion

From 1825-present, a 186 year period, 92 Bigfoots have either been killed by humans, had their dead bodies or parts found by humans, or got taken into human custody. Therefore, humans kill or take into custody Bigfoots or their bodies once every 2.1 years or about once every 2 years.

Bigfoot Bones

1856: East Wheeling, West Virginia. A decayed 9’6 skeleton was found with three bullets in its head. No one knew what to make of it. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date: Glacier, Montana. Just east of Glacier National Park, a Bigfoot skeleton was said to be kept in a sacred Native American burial area, possibly buried along with the Indians. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Date unknown, modern era: British Colombia. The British Colombia Museum is said to be in possession of a huge jawbone, possibly of a Bigfoot, but they can’t locate it, as it’s crated somewhere in storage. Reported by John Green.

Date unknown, modern era: Northwest California. Three scientific aides and a wildlife biologist from California Department of Fish and Game, District 1, Eureka, California, found the bones of two adults and one juvenile Bigfoot. The FBI was notified and came to take the bones. A judge then issued a gag order on the case, and nothing more was heard. Government coverup. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Date unknown, modern era: Toba River, British Colombia. In far southwest coastal British Colombia, a couple working a trap line found a Bigfoot skeleton washing out of a riverbank. The bones were too heavy to carry, but the wife packed out the huge jawbone against the advice of her husband. The University of British Colombia and the British Colombia Museum were called, and the couple reported that they had a Bigfoot jaw from a Bigfoot skeleton.

The university and museum both said that there is no such thing as Bigfoot, so they didn’t want to investigate. They kept the jawbone in their cabin, and 10 years later it burned down, taking the jaw in the process. Reported by John Green.

Date unknown, modern era: Morgan Lake, Santiam Highway, Oregon. Southwest of Portland, three gigantic skeletons were seen in the lake under four to six feet of water. Mysterious holes had appeared on the ice-covered lake that winter. It was thought that the Bigfoots had used the holes to bury their dead in the ice-covered lake. Reported by Ray Crowe.

July 1885: New York. A large number of huge skeletons were found in a cave. They were up to 8 feet tall. Disposition unknown. Reported by the Daily Victoria Standard, Victoria, British Colombia, July 7, 1885.

April 1886: Etowah, Alabama. Giant skeletons were found after a flood, washing out of riverbanks. Disposition unknown. Reported by the Jacksonville Republican, Jacksonville, Alabama, April 21, 1886.

1923: Santa Barbara. J.P. Harrington found and examined “Indian skulls” with very peculiar qualities. He felt that they resembled Neandertal Man. He concluded that they were modern Indians from the Santa Barbara region. Reported by Anonymous, Nature, 112:699, 1923.

1948: Bartholomew Creek, Smeaton Bay, East Behm Canal, Alaska. In Misty Fiords National Park, two men reported finding a jawbone larger than a man’s. Possible Bigfoot jawbone. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1965: Wolfe, Kentucky. Kennith White found a nine foot skeleton with long arms and a huge head while digging along a creek bank. It was later reburied. Reported by the Kentucky Bigfoot website.

1965: Minarets Region of the Sierra Nevada, California. A partial Bigfoot skull (calvarium) was found by a physician. A pathologist said it was not human. It was sent to UCLA, where anthropologists said it was an old Indian skull, since the only ancient hominids residing in the Sierras were Indians, so it must be an Indian. They did say that it had odd features such as a nuchal crest. It’s presently lost in storage. Reported by the BFRO.

Before 1972: Shuswap Lake, British Colombia. In the Colombian Range of the Rocky Mountains, a Bigfoot skeleton was found washing out of a riverbed. The teeth and jaw were huge, and the skeleton was 8 feet long. It was sent to Wrexham Museum in Wales. It seems to have vanished into thin air and has never been found. Reported by Ivan Sanderson.

After 1972: Antelope Flat, Oregon. On the Ochoco National Forest west of Bend, a Bigfoot skull was found. It was taken to Portland College. They returned after a bit with a long report, but only after it had been taken apart into its constituent pieces. They would not commit on what it was. Reported by Vic McDaniel.

Before 1979: Brazil. A Canadian college professor took photos of a beetle-browed skull, thought to be Homo Erectus, at a Brazilian institution. Upon returning later for followup, the skull was gone. Reported by Dr. Alan J. Bryan, University of Alberta. Story reported in Smithsonian Magazine.

1987: Estacada, Oregon. A man, Grover Kiggens, found his dog playing with a strange object. Upon examination, it was a human-like skull with strange features. It still had some skin and hair on it. The man felt that the creature had been 4-5 years old when it died. It seems to have been the skull of a young Bigfoot. There had been a lot of strange screeching in the forest for several nights previous to the discovery of the skull.

The man thought it was human, so he sent it to the crime lab. The crime lab sent it back, saying it was not human. Then he sent it to the Regional Primate Center, but they refused to comment, simply returning the skull with a note. Next it went to the University of British Colombia, but they kept it for two years and could not decide what it was. Next it went to the University of California, Berkeley. After some time, the finder received a note from a Dr. Turner of Berkeley:

“…please tell him he can be proud…is ultimately responsible for discovery of a new species and its legal protection. Slow going partly because legal protection requires species known to science, hence named and described based upon physical material. Several others and I cautious about going out on limb…process of elimination was very tedious, but skull is ‘new.’”

Berkeley is still on possession of the skull, but it seems to be lost. Reported by Cliff Olsen.

2002: Scotts Valley, California. In the Santa Cruz Mountains, a man digging in a sand hill for shark teeth found a huge apparent Bigfoot tooth. He showed it to a several dentists, who all said it was human, but that it was too big to be human. It is presently part of Dr. Melba Ketchum’s  Bigfoot DNA project, but it has not yet been tested. Reported by Mike Rugg.

2008: Oregon. As part of the Ketchum DNA project to prove the existence of Bigfoot by sequencing their DNA, a purported Bigfoot bone, a femur, was used. The bone was found in a stream in Oregon. However, for whatever reason, the bone was not used in the study.

Conclusion

Between 1858-present, over a 153 year period, 30 possible Bigfoot bones, skulls, skeletons or teeth have been found. So Bigfoot bones are found about once every 5.1 years in the modern era, about once every 5 years.

Government Coverup

For the past 43 years, there appears to be a government coverup about Bigfoots. Over a 43 year period, there were 16 cases of government coverup of Bigfoot evidence. That is one coverup case every 2.7 years, about one incident every 3 years. Before 1968, there were no government coverup cases.

The evidence suggests therefore that there may be a government coverup dating from 1968. In particular, government officials have been taking Bigfoot bodies away, never to be seen again. The government appears to be involved at various levels, including the National Guard, the Army Corps of Engineers, state police, the FBI and the US military.

Grand Conclusion

From 1825-present, a 186 year period, 127 possible Bigfoot bones, bodies, body parts, burials, graveyards and Bigfoots have been captured or killed. Such hard evidence for Bigfoot occurs once every 1.4 years, or once every 1 1/2 years. Obviously, in the future, we will continue to find dead Bigfoots, Bigfoot bones/remains and Bigfoot burials/graveyards. We will continue to capture and kill Bigfoots.

With the increasing media publicity about Bigfoots, the possibility that these remains end up in the proper hands and are not sent to the university lost and found bin or confiscated by the state as part of a coverup increases.

Recommendations For Those Encountering Hard Bigfoot Evidence

As noted above, there seems to be a government conspiracy to coverup  Bigfoot existence dating back 31 years. Therefore, the state is not to be trusted one bit with Bigfoot evidence. Universities have a nasty habit of losing Bigfoot hard evidence, so we should not automatically turn evidence over to them.

Next time someone comes across a dead Bigfoot, they ought to call someone other than the authorities. I would recommend calling Bigfoot researchers or possibly the media. With the media on the scene taking pictures of the body, it will be hard for the state to seal the area off and steal the body again. At the very least, take pictures or movies of the body before the state can whisk it away.

If a Bigfoot burial is witnessed, notify Bigfoot researchers so they can excavate the gravesite. Try to take photos or movies of the burial. Possible Bigfoot graveyards should be excavated. Bodies, parts, bones, etc. should be turned over to Bigfoot researchers and not the state. Let the state conduct an armed raid to get them back.

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Why Has No Bigfoot Ever Been Shot?

The question that never ends about Bigfoot is, Where is the body?

Answer, we have already had a number of dead Bigfoots, mostly killed by humans, often by being shot. Numerous Bigfoots have been shot and killed in the past century alone. In all old or foreign cases, the bodies were simply buried of left in the woods. In general, people did not know what they had shot.

A number of Bigfoots were shot in the Pacific Northwest in the 1800′s. Back then, people thought Bigfoots were “wild men” or a wild tribe of Indians. This was in the pre-scientific era, and most did not understand the differences betwween the various types of Homo sapiens, and Bigfoot is surely a type of Homo sapiens. People just thought they were some kind of weird wild people, and they buried them like you bury any human.

Four Bigfoots were killed in China in ~25 years. One was eaten, the rest buried. In China, the Bigfoots are believed to be “wild men.” Once again, they are seen as humans, so when killed, they are buried just like people are.

A Bigfoot, Zana, lived with humans in Abkhazia in the late 1800′s and birthed some children with human men. There was a search for her grave recently, but it’s not known if it was ever found. Her grandson’s skull was dug up and was judged to be “human,” but he was only 1/4 Bigfoot. However, some aspects of his skull were very primitive, and certain measurements were completely outside of the known human range.

Keep in mind it is hard to say what a Homo sapiens sapiens skull actually is. For instance, the Mongo Lake modern humans in Australia from 20,000 are further from humans than Neanderthal skulls are, and have many Homo erectus features. Modern Aborigines retain many of these Erectus-like features.

In the US and Canada, the Bigfoots killed have been abandoned in the woods or buried by the shooters. In three cases I am aware of, the bodies were buried or abandoned because the hunters feared they were going to be prosecuted for homicide.

In one case, one was preserved on ice and taken on a travelling show around 1967-1968 before it was replaced by a wax model. This Bigfoot was shot dead in northern Minnesota in 1960 and then kept on ice for nine years. The owner was terrified of the legal implications, including his Air Force job and pension. He was also very frightened of being prosecuted for homicide or illegally transporting a corpse. Moving corpses around is illegal in most states. On advice of his attorney, he replaced it with a precise wax replica.

However, first it was shown to two prominent scientists who said it was a real body with the smell of putrefying flesh. The hairs and many other features were normal and could not have been glued on or faked. The scientists stayed with the body for three days and sketched it. A report of the incident was written up in a scientific journal in Brussels. The researchers described it as Homo Pongides, or a relict Neanderthal. The general feeling was that the body was one of a Neanderthal. Actually, it was a Bigfoot. This is the tale of the Minnesota Iceman.

Many Bigfoots, “rock-apes,” were killed in Laos and Vietnam during the Vietnam War by both sides. In addition, Bigfoots killed humans on both sides during the war. The Bigfoots there are violent and dangerous and often attack and kill humans. The humans in the area are said to hunt the Bigfoots and even eat them for food. This may be why the Bigfoots are so violent. The war seems to have driven the SE Asian Bigfoots nearly or totally extinct.

A number of apparent Bigfoot skeletons have been found, often thought to be Indian bones, albeit the bones of “giants.”

Back East, mostly in the 1800′s, many skeletons of “the giants” were found and documented, often in Indian mounds. In some cases, there was a layer of giants and then a layer of Indians below or above. This was a pre-scientific era, so the giants were just thought to an unknown extinct Indian tribe.

After all, humans come in all forms. We have tiny Pygmies, and we have Shaq O’Neill and Andre the Giant. They’re all human. As late as the 1920′s, there were major wars over evolution in the US. Recall the Clarence Darrow monkey trial. 50% of Americans are still so stupid that they don’t believe in evolution. In the 1800′s and even into the 1900′s, any human like skeleton, no matter how odd, was assumed to simply be a skeleton of a human.

Keep in mind: Bigfoot skeletons and skulls probably look quite human.

The Nevada BLM is apparently in possession of a few intact Bigfoot skeletons of “giant Indians” from Lovelock Cave, Nevada and a dry lake.

The local Paiutes say that when they showed up in Nevada, a tribe of giants was residing in the area. The giants had boats for the lakes and had mastered arrows and arrowheads. The giants frequently attacked the humans, killed them, took them back to their caves and ate them.

A war broke out between the humans the giants. The giants were cornered in Lovelock Cave. One broke out and was hit with arrows, but it ran off anyway. The rest were cornered in the cave. The Indians threw bushes in and set them on fire. All of the giants were killed in the fire and the giants were gone from the region.

Excavactions later took place in Lovelock Cave, and under a large area of burned material, a giant skeleton 7-8 feet tall was discovered. It appears the Indian legend was true after all! Later two more 7-8 foot skeletons of the giants were found at the bottom of dry lake bed. These skeletons were all said to be “Indians,” and are now in possession of the Nevada BLM.

The local Paiutes said that when the first came to Yosemite Valley, a tribe of giants lived there. The Paiutes killed off the giants. Around 1880, a mummified giant woman was found at the base of Bridalveil Falls. During the Gold Rush, a miner found a skull deep underground in Calaveras County. He thought it was human, so he took it to a doctor, but the doctor said no human had an occipital ridge like that. The whereabouts of the skull and mummy are unknown.

J.R. Harrington examined a couple of Bigfoot skulls in Santa Barbara, California in the early 1920′s and thought they were some sort of bizarre and archaic “giant” Indians.

According to Grover Kranz, a Bigfoot skull was discovered in California in 1964 and was given to the University of California. They said it was “human” and threw it in their collection of human skulls.

I am almost certain that we already have Bigfoot skulls and skeletons in our possession in America in US university collections, catalogued as “human” remains.

There are reports recently of Bigfoots being shot and killed and others of Bigfoots killed in car accidents. In many cases, the authorities sealed off the area and took the bodies away, never to be seen again.

In Washington state in the early 1960′s, the body was actually lifted off by the proverbial black helicopter along with federal agents dressed in black.

After the Mount St. Helens eruption of 1980, helicopters airlifted many dead animals, including two dead Bigfoots, out of the area. The Bigfoots were found in a river canyon. They were lifted out with the rest of the animal carcasses to a makeshift landfill some miles away where all of the animals were buried. Once again, coverup.

In 1999, a Bigfoot was badly burned in a forest fire on Battle Mountain, Nevada. It was treated at the scene where a veterinarian and an MD (!) were both (!) called in, then it was taken off in an unmarked van so it would not be spotted to a university hospital in the Bay Area where it was studied and treated for a few days. Then it was released into the woods about 150 miles from where it was taken.

All personnel present were forced to sign affadavits testifying that they would not speak of what they saw on penalty of job loss, loss of government G-1, G-2, etc. status, and loss of government pension. One BLM firefighter spilled the beans anonymously to researchers, but he is still in hiding.

Bigfoots get shot all the time in the US.

Bigfoots have been shot or shot at ~20 times in the past decade alone. Most of the time, people just shoot at them, and no one knows what happens. Quite a few other times, the Bigfoots are hit, often with more than one bullet, but they just scream and run off. Sure, you can kill a Bigfoot with a gun, but it’s not so easy, and you will probably just make it mad.

It appears that some humans have been killed by Bigfoots in recent years, including multiple killings at a BLM campsite off Highway 395 in Inyo County.

All incidents describe a subsequent government coverup.

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Annoying Teenage Girls

Repost from the old site. Annoying teenage girls is illegal. Wait a minute. Let’s think this out first. We’d have to put almost all the little hotties in prison then, right? Since they’re all annoying?

I’m normally sympathetic to the teenage girls in these kinds of cases, but something about this stuff makes me worry. What exactly is it that men are not supposed to do in these cases? What exactly did this guy do wrong? Following them? Ok, that’s pretty damn weird. Stopping ahead of them several times? That’s strange.

Leering at them as they walked by? Shit. That’s a crime? I check out teenage girls myself if they’re hot enough, and teenage girls look at me too. For some reason, Felony Leering Molestation creeps me out a lot more than this guy’s behavior.

But this guy’s basically acting like a stalker.

Here’s another one. This guy pulled over to talk to some teenage girls walking home from school. I wonder what he said?

Then they found porn in his vehicle! Oh no! What a sick fuck! Only sick pedophiles read porn! The porn had “young adults”! Ew! Child molester! We know he’s a child molester because of the word “young.” Non-pedos only read MILF and old lady porn, that’s how we know they are non-pedos.

He also had pregnant porn in his car! Ew gross! Big fat gross pregnant chicks getting laid! What a creep! Only a sick creep would have sex with a pregnant chick. Normal guys won’t even look at their wives until after they drop.

They arrested him for felony talking molestation.

Ok, so if talk to an underage girl, am I annoying her? Can I go down on Felony Annoying Molesting, whatever the Hell that is? Do any of you all find this stuff worrying? How does one even know when one is breaking the law anyway? I talk to kids sometimes. What the heck? Am I breaking the law or what?

I’m wondering if it is a crime to “annoy” adult females in this way? At what point are we annoying an adult female anyway? What the Hell? I don’t know about these laws. They give me a bad feeling.

Here’s a coach. I think what he did was pretty cool. He tied up some teenage girls, then he put tape over their mouths. He didn’t have sex with them though, he just temporarily restrained their annoyingness with some binding and gagging objects. Dude! You’re awesome. You got a defense fund?

I like this guy too. He’s a male witch, a warlock. How evil can you get? And he enslaved teenage girls! How did he do it. Mind control, baby, mind control. He swung a watch in front of them til they turned into kinky teenslut Stepford Teen automatons! He turned them into “sex slaves.” Yo! All women should be like this! Specifically, he used “hypnotism and mind-altering techniques to entice two 15-year-old girls into prostitution, sado-masochism and black magic.” Yo!

This is too funny:

The self-proclaimed warlock enslaved two troubled 15-year-old girls who came to him for counseling and used black magic and mumbo jumbo to entice them into prostitution and sadomasochism.The girls were fed illegal drugs and Fletcher used mind altering techniques and hypnotism to dupe them into believing kinky sexual acts – in which they were tied up and whipped – were pagan rites.

He also advertised one of the girls on the Internet as a submissive teen schoolgirl…bruisable and will take belt and paddle…wears dog collar and nipple clamps.”

The sorcerer’s evil spell was broken when he was jailed for ten years with a minimum of eight years.

No problem jailing the dude, but I think the girls should go to jail too – for aggravated felony stupidity. From the article: “He duped them into believing that kinky sexual acts were actually pagan rites.” LOL! Hey, are there any adult women this stupid? I want to get into this warlock thing; it sounds promising. Do they offer courses anywhere?

No wait. There’s a punch line:

Authorities are also trying to determine if the girls were forced or had consented to take part in the tie-ups.

Haha! Actually, they filled out job applications for the position, and there was a long waiting list, but these were the lucky girls who got chosen for the Bondage Model position.

On the other hand, these guys here, here, here, here, here, here and here are engaging in some pretty messed-up behavior.

Good legal case where a state Supreme Court ruled that “annoying” was so vague a crime that one could hardly figure out when one was breaking the law and when one was not:

On the other hand, conflicting Nevada case law suggests that this court will consider whether an enactment is facially void for vagueness, even if no First Amendment interests are implicated, when the challenged statute is so vague that it fails to give persons of ordinary intelligence fair notice of what conduct is permitted or forbidden.

For example, in Cunningham v. State, this court upheld a facial vagueness challenge to a statute under the Due Process Clause of the Nevada Constitution as appropriate, where the challenged statute prohibited “the doing of an act in terms so vague that people of common intelligence [were required to] necessarily guess as to its meaning” and where the statute was “so vague that it [did] not provide a constitutional basis for criminal prosecution.”

In Coates v. City of Cincinnati , the Supreme Court considered the use of the word “annoy” in an ordinance that made it unlawful for three or more people to assemble on a sidewalk and “conduct themselves in a manner annoying to persons passing by.” In holding that the ordinance was “unconstitutionally vague because it subjects the exercise of the right of assembly to an unascertainable standard,” the Court reasoned:

Conduct that annoys some people does not annoy others. Thus, the ordinance is vague, not in the sense that it requires a person to conform his conduct to an imprecise but comprehensible normative standard, but rather in the sense that no standard of conduct is specified at all. As a result, “men of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”

We conclude that the standard of conduct proscribed by NRS 207.260, namely, conduct which is “annoying,” does not provide fair notice because the citizens of Nevada must guess when conduct that bothers, disturbs, irritates or harasses a minor rises to the level of criminal conduct.

I agree with the majority that the conduct of “annoying a minor” is unconstitutionally vague. That charge is unconstitutional because it “fails to notify individuals what conduct is prohibited, and it encourages arbitrary and capricious enforcement by police.” If annoying a minor alone were unlawful, virtually every parent would at one time or another be a lawbreaker.

The bolded text is hilarious.

The case above is a pretty standard reiteration of how many US courts have thrown out statutes on “vagueness” grounds.

I do agree that annoying children (noun phrase) should be illegal, but I’m a bit worried about annoying children (verb phrase) being illegal.

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