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Genetics and Evolution of IQ and Head Size in Antiquity and Modernity

Objectivity, a very strong HBD type, writes,

All of the race realist ranting about dysgenics grows very tiresome. Humans are intelligent creatures. It’s only logical that the evolution that drove us to this point is ongoing

But the selection that drove us to this point was probably NATURAL selection where only the smartest few could SURVIVE long enough to have children. Since the advent of agriculture, there’s been enough food for everyone, so evolution has been more about SEXUAL selection and that slightly favors low IQ classes and races because these tend to be the most promiscuous (see Rushton).

That’s why there’s probably been virtually no GENETIC increase in brain size or IQ in the last 10,000 years aside from perhaps a decrease in inbreeding. Actually the malnutrition caused by abandoning our hunter/gather diet probably shrunk brain size and IQ for thousands of years, and only with the advent of 20th century nutrition are we reverting back to our big brained selves. This explains the secular rise in brain size and IQ performance, though probably only half of the Flynn Effect is a real rise in intelligence; the rest is just that our increasingly educated society is good at faking high intelligence on IQ tests.

And I don’t think the black-white IQ gap is narrowing. You’re only looking at a small sample of tests. Rushton & Jensen examined the totality of data and found no shrinkage in the gap, and in fact they speculate that the true black American IQ might be only 78 if samples included blacks living in parts of the inner-city so scary it’s too dangerous for psychologists to even test them.

This argument is simply wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. There are so many things wrong with this that I don’t know where to start.

No evidence for genetic increases in brain size or IQ for the last 10,000 years. Fine, but there is also no evidence that there has not been any genetic increases in IQ over 10,000 years. Certainly certain groups such as Ashkenazi Jews, via widespread inbreeding, have evolved extremely high IQ’s. NE Asians have also evolved some very high IQ’s, possibly through preferential breeding with the brightest. There is no evidence that the NE Asian IQ of 105 is not the result of an increase in the past 10,000 years, and in fact, that is exactly what is suggestive. I would suspect that Confucian culture whereby females sought to breed with the smartest males is part of the answer. The same mechanism occurred with the Jews, whereby men not smart enough to study the Torah and Talmud simply left Judaism and converted to Christianity. The females then competed for the most intelligent young males. Females continue to preferentially select for the brightest males in Chinese society today.

Furthermore the article in which this comment appeared involves a comparison of White and Black skulls from colonial times to the present. The study found that skulls of both races grew dramatically larger and more progressive over a 200-300 year period. The study author said some of the result was due to environment (especially in the Blacks) but that most of the changes were genetic. Therefore, there were large increases in Black and White skulls over 200-300 years in the US favoring larger skulls and more progressive features. At the same time, we have seen dramatic increases in US Black IQ versus Caribbean and African Black IQ (Caribbean and African Black IQ = ~70 while US Black IQ = 87). Only a couple of those points can be attributed to White genes, leaving the rest unaccounted for. The changes in US Black skulls occurred since 1900 and involved a trend towards larger and more progressive skulls.

What happened was this. Since colonial times, Whites and Blacks have been selecting for more progressive features and less archaic features. As more progressive features tend to have higher IQ’s than more archaic features, these changes led to increased IQ. There was also selection for larger heads, possibly on the part of females choosing more intelligent males. The selection only occurred since 1900 in Blacks. After Liberation, Blacks were now free to make money. In Black communities, considerable money could be made. More progressive or “Whiter” features were valued and more archaic or “Blacker” features were devalued by both males and females. Black females preferred females with more progressive features for beauty purposes. Black males with more progressive features may have been less discriminated against and more able to pass. Further, more intelligent Black men made more money in the Black community and hence were preferred by females for breeding purposes due to status and income. Before 1900, most Blacks were very poor and very Black looking and there was not a lot to select for in terms of income or progressive features.

In fact, the selection has been so dramatic that Blacks and Whites today resemble each other more than they do their own ancestors! That is, modern Whites look more like modern Blacks than they look like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington. Modern Blacks look more like modern Whites than they look like Sally Hemmings or other slave ancestors from Colonial America.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the agricultural revolution led to a decrease in brain size and IQ. In fact, as civilization expanded dramatically during this era, the opposite seems true.

There is also no evidence whatsoever that the Agricultural Revolution led to increased malnutrition as opposed to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. In fact, most hunter-gatherers have experienced extreme famines with horrible natural selection events possibly involving the deaths of 90-95% of the population. Thus they have thrifty constitutions and are subject to diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, etc. Agricultural populations have no such thrifty constitutions. Hence, it appears that hunter-gatherers have experienced more famine events than agriculturalists which means that hunter gatherers are more subject to malnutrition than farmers. In our modern era, agriculturalists have the highest IQ’s of all and hunter-gatherer IQ’s tend to be lower than that of agriculturalists. This holds true even within races, as African hunter-gatherers are thought to have lower IQ’s than African agriculturalists.

It is not true that only half of the Flynn Effect is an increase in real intelligence. There is just about zero effect of test taking on the Flynn Effect. All of the FE is real. It’s just a matter of what you think it all means. In some ways, we really are smarter than our grandparents, but in other ways, we are not. Increased eduction also makes humans smarter, contrary to your POV.

The B-W IQ gap is definitely narrowing in children. That much is beyond dispute. I say that the adult B-W gap is narrowing by ~2 points for adults also, but that’s a lot more controversial. Even Charles Murray agrees that there has been a 7.5 point narrowing of the B-W IQ gap among adults since 1920.

There is no evidence that the Black IQ is 78, not 87, in the US. Tests are routinely conducted at inner city schools, no matter how dangerous they are. This has been going on for decades now, and at any rate, Black ghettos were much less dangerous 50 years ago, IQ’s were not 78 then.


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Neighborhoods of LA, Gay and Otherwise

The gayest place by far in California is LA! They might as well change the name to LA Gay.

West Hollywood is insanely gay of course, but it’s also a fantastic place to pick up women. You can practically pick them up right off the street if you know what you are doing. The reason is because there are lots of single women there, and they are pretty desperate. Most of the guys are queers, and most of the rest are married. Any remainder are weird Orthodox Jewish guys from Russia with long beards and funny hats.

The areas surrounding West Hollywood like Hollywood proper and Beverly Hills are also quite gay, though most folks in Beverly Hills are straight. Hollywood proper also has many straights along with every type of human known to mankind.

A Hollywood district called Silverlake is incredibly gay. I knew a couple who lived there, and I used to hang out over there. Silverlake is practically gayer than West Hollywood.

Echo Park next door is full of Mexicans.

Los Feliz right next door is also full of gays, but there are lots of other types there. It’s a very wealthy area.

That whole general area is full of desperate single women, mostly young ones. There are plenty of women there, and most are not lesbians. And most of the single guys are queers. The rest are typically married or whatever. So there are way more available single women than single guys, so those neighborhoods are paradise for a single straight man if you don’t mind queers chasing your ass night and day.

The parts of the Valley bordering LA proper are fairly gay. I always thought Studio City was a fairly gay place.

Santa Monica is also pretty gay, but there are lots of other folks living there too.

Venice has some gays, but just about every other kind of freak lives there too.

East LA is full of Mexicans and Hispanics, not queers.

South LA is full of Black people, and it is rapidly filling up with Hispanics.

Koreatown is full of Koreans.

The MacArthur Park District is full of Salvadorans and other Hispanic types. It’s an extremely run-down, degraded and overcrowded area.

There is a large Filipino neighborhood just northwest of downtown. The name escapes me.

There are many Armenians in a town called Glendale northeast of LA near Pasadena.

LA is full of Jews! An area called the Fairfax District is the center, but Hollywood, the Hollywood Hills, West Hollywood, Beverlywood, Beverly Hills, West LA and to a lesser extent Encino and Studio City are insanely Jewish.

Malibu is where the movie and entertainment industry types live, but they also live all throughout the region.

Hollywood writers typically live in West LA, but also live throughout the area. A very large proportion of Hollywood script writers are Jewish.

The movie scene is not particularly gay, nor is the music industry, though looks are deceiving. Many actors are reportedly closeted. I used to go to movie industry parties for the behind the scenes folks (gaffers, storyboard artists, light crew, etc). They throw a great party, and I never saw any gays there. Both the movie and music industry are stacked to the rafters with Jews.

There is a very large theater scene in LA. There are little theatres all throughout Hollywood. I never knew anyone from that scene, but my impression was that the theater crowd was insanely gay. Now why the theater crowd (actors) would be so gay but the movie scene not does not make a lot of sense, except that maybe a lot of movie and TV actors are closeted.

There is also a huge local band scene in Hollywood, mostly heavy metal and punk, etc. This scene is overwhelmingly straight. Some of the big clubs were the Starwood, the Roxy, the Lingerie Club, the Anti-Club and the Whisky.

There is also a pretty big lit/poetry scene in LA. It’s not very gay at all. Just typical neurotic, boozing writer types and nerdy writer chicks.

There is a big art scene in LA. The artists generally live in or hang out in lofts in downtown LA. I was part of that scene for a long time. There were few if any gays in the scene that I was a part of. An artist party is like 300 introverts in a room, everyone scared to talk to each other. It’s pretty easy to get artist girls. Most of them are shy, nerdy types who don’t get laid enough, so they are a bit desperate. Plus once you get one, they’re often horny as Hell to make up for lost time.

Dance Scene

There is also a dance scene in LA. I used to know a woman named Mary Jane Eisenberg who was a big choreographer in town. Smart, cute, skinny, Jewish. She had her hair cut really short, and you know what that means, but I got the impression that she liked men. She was a cool chick; I would love to meet her again. Apparently she is still alive and still working as a choreographer.

I met her at a some wild, rowdy Dennis Cooper poetry reading (Cooper is gay) at some weird club in downtown LA the name of which escapes me.

She was with a couple of her dancers, two guys who were probably some of the best looking young men (about age 30) I have ever seen in my life. They were both apparently gay or bisexual.

They were so good looking and sexy that one almost wanted to turn gay because of them, if only for a while. I thought, “Man, I can see why guys are queer. You get to fuck the best looking people on the planet, just like that. I mean, they’re all guys, but hey! Minor point, no? How many straight guys get to screw the hottest chicks around? If you’re into screwing good looking people and don’t care much about gender, maybe gay is the way to go, eh?”

You could also see how just about any woman on Earth would want these guys. They were that sexy and hot.

Mary Jane asked one of the guys, who looked like Jamie Gillis, “So, what you guys been up to?”

The guy said flamboyantly, waving his hands in the air, “Ohhhhhh you knowwww. Just going to gay baaaars!”

Mary Jane shook her head like, “You’re nuts!”

The other guy heard his friend talking about going to gay bars and kept saying under his breath, “Nooo. Noooo. Nooooo. Noooooo.” Apparently he was denying his queery ways.

Later the same guy leaned over to me and purred, “Soooo, can I buy you a beer?” I told him no thanks and started shaking like a leaf. I was having a nightmare, and I was wide awake. I finished my beer and turned around and threw it into the trashcan, hard, like a punk, and it shattered. Then I sneered. The queer shuddered a bit when the bottle shattered, and then he left me alone.

It was a very weird night!


Filed under Armenians, Art, Blacks, California, Cinema, Culture, Filipinos, Hispanics, Homosexuality, Jews, Koreans, Literature, Music, Poetry, Race/Ethnicity, Regional, Sex, Theater, USA, West

An Interesting Filipino Phenotype

Click to enlarge. Very interesting photo of Ms. X on a recent stay in Macao. The somewhat dilapidated building in the background is a large Macao apartment building.

Ms. X is a good friend of mine. She is a Filipina working overseas in Hong Kong. The photo above was taken on a recent trip to Macao. I posted it because she has a very interesting phenotype.

Click to enlarge. Another pic of Ms. X from Hong Kong.

When I first met Ms. X, I thought she was South American! I thought she was a mostly White (Iberian or Spaniard) Hispanic from South America. Why? Because that’s what she looks like!

However, she is a Filipina, and she told me she is 100% pure Filipina. She is also a tribal, in this case from the north of Luzon. She is a member of an interesting tribe called Igorots. Igorots are not among the most recent wave of immigrants to the Philippines, but they are close. The most recent major wave included Tagalogs, etc. Igorots probably came in a prior wave just before that. The Igorots probably came from one of the Taiwanese aborigine tribes, though their prehistory is clouded in uncertainty.

One thing that is fascinating about Ms. X is how Caucasian she looks. You do find quite a few Filipinas with a somewhat Caucasoid phenotype. Filipino friends told me that Igorots have a characteristic phenotype that is well known in the Philippines. I have seen photos of Igorot males, and some of them looked somewhat Caucasoid also.

A Caucasoid looking phenotype is commonly noted among Southeast Asians and some NE Asians like Ainus. It is thought to be a result of crossing an Asian Australoid type with a Mongoloid type. Somehow you end up with a Caucasoid looking type. A number of Polynesians have ended up at this strange goalpost also somehow, possibly through the same mechanism.

I do not know how Ms. X acquired her phenotype. She told me that she is 100% pure Igorot, with no Spaniard or Chinese blood.

Some of the early waves that came to the Philippines, probably from Taiwan, were said to have odd, almost Caucasian appearances. How they derived this is unknown.

The Igorots probably came about 2,500 YBP. At this time in Taiwan, the aborigines were probably undergoing a final transition from an Australoid type (Melanesian is what we call it) to more Mongoloid type. The types in which this transition is not complete and Australoid traits remain are referred as “Indonesian” types. It is possible that the Igorots’ “Caucasoid” appearance is a result of this regional transition.

It is also possible that there may only be a finite number of possible final endpoints for human phenotypes. Possibly:

  1. African
  2. Australoid
  3. Caucasoid
  4. Mongoloid

are among the only possible endpoints that a human race can resemble, given the restraints on our genes. Hence, non-Caucasoid races may end up at a “Caucasoid” endpoint simply via genetic drift without having any Caucasoid roots.

It may be the case with human phenotypes that there are many routes, but only a few possible final destinations.

I would like to add that I find Ms. X to be a very beautiful woman!


Filed under Ainu, Anthropology, Asia, Asians, Babes, Filipinos, Philippines, Physical, Polynesians, Race/Ethnicity, Regional, SE Asia, SE Asians, Taiwanese Aborigines, Women

NE Asians Closer to SE Asians Than They Are to Caucasians

Click to enlarge.This chart clearly shows that NE Asians are closer to SE Asians than they are to Caucasians.

It was commonly quoted on Internet sites and forums that the distance between NE Asians and SE Asians is so great that NE Asians are closer to Caucasians than they are to their SE Asian brethren. Hence I quoted that in a few of my articles on race.

However, some Asians stopped by in the comments to set me straight, and continue to do so. Some linked to good evidence showing that what I said was wrong. Sure, there is quite a bit of difference between NE Asians and SE Asians, but NE Asians are closer to SE Asians than they are to Caucasians. This stands to reason of course and seems commonsensical.

In general, with a few exceptions, all NE and SE Asians are members of the Mongoloid race. A common NE Asian slander against SE Asians is that SE Asians are Australoids. Not that there’s anything wrong with being an Australoid, but it’s just not true. All SE Asians with the exception of Negritos, the Senoi of Thailand and some Melanesians in eastern Indonesia are members of the Mongoloid race. All NE Asians with the exception of the Ainu are members of the Mongoloid race also.

The truth is that both NE and SE Asians underwent a transition from Australoid to Mongoloid. Before 9,000 YBP, all Asians were Australoids. Around 9,000 YBP, the transition from Australoid to Mongoloid took place in NE Asia. The same transition occurred much later in SE Asia. It was not complete until ~2,200 YBP in Vietnam. Some SE Asians, notably Indonesians, although members of the Mongoloid race, retain some Australoid features from an earlier era.


Filed under Ainu, Anthropology, Asians, Indonesians, Negritos, Northeast Asians, Physical, Race/Ethnicity, SE Asians

Phenotypical Differences Between NE Asians and SE Asians

Dave Coe writes:

What about in terms of looks? I personally find Northeast Asian women more attractive, but all the white guys who go to Asia seem to go the Southeast.

The Mongoloid race is newer in SE Asia than in NE Asia. In NE Asia, there was a full transition from Australoid to Mongoloid 9,000 YBP. In SE Asia, the full transition occurred as late as 2,000 YBP, hence you do tend to see more Australoid features in the SE Asian Mongoloids because the transition was so recent. I suppose to be crude you could say that SE Asians retain more archaic features, and NE Asians have fewer archaic and more progressive features.

There is a lot of overlap though. I can’t believe how Chinese many Filipinas look. I am not sure why this is. Possibly the Taiwanese aborigines from which they are heavily derived had a heavy “Chinese” type component. There has also been a heavy infusion of more modern Chinese types in the past 900 years. There was a particularly heavy wave 900 years ago.

Vietnamese women also have a heavily “Chinese” component.

What happened in SE Asia in the last 2000 years is that there was a very heavy infusion of probably more progressive Chinese phenotypes from southern China that moved in via waves into mainland SE Asia and at least the Philippines. The indigenous SE Asians were more archaic Australoid types  – more properly seen as “Melanesian” types who nevertheless had been transitioning towards a more modern Mongoloid type for a long time. The waves just helped this along in a big way.

The Thais and Lao for instance are primarily derived from a heavy wave from Yunnan 900 years ago that mixed in with indigenous types. In Vietnam, a huge wave overran the area 2,200 years ago via the Cantonese region and subsequently interbred with indigenous types. “Montagnards” are a good example of an indigenous type in Vietnam.

The genetics of Malaysia, Burma, Cambodia and Indonesia are a lot more complicated.


Filed under Anthropology, Asia, Asians, Chinese (Ethnic), Filipinos, Lao, Northeast Asians, Physical, Race/Ethnicity, Regional, SE Asia, SE Asians, Taiwanese Aborigines, Thai, Vietnamese

Japanese and Blacks

Tulio comments:

Virulent racism of Japanese towards blacks is something I always doubted. It seemed to contradict what black friends that have visited and worked there have told me. They said it’s absolutely fine and they have experienced little racism and what racism they do experience is stuff that tends to be directed toward foreigners in general such as being denied entry into Japanese only places.

Now one place I thought would be extremely racist to black people is Korea. But according to this black guy living there, he said he’s experienced nothing but hospitality and warmth. That even shocked me.

First of all, I am very happy that well behaved Black Americans can have a great experience in Korea and Japan. Black people really ought to be free to travel to and have fun in as many countries as I could. That a Black American is afraid to travel to some country because they will treat him badly simply because he is Black is very painful for me to contemplate. Maybe we Whites don’t realize how lucky we are.

However, a lot of Japanese Americans, both male and female, have very racist attitudes towards Blacks. I knew a Japanese American, and he was quite racist against Blacks.

You see where these Black guys run around and have like 8 different kids by 8 different women and don’t support any of them. That’s profoundly offensive to Japanese people, especially Japanese men. In East Asian society, a man may father children with more than one woman, but he absolutely must support all of his kids. If he does not, he is just a lowdown dirtball.

When these Black guys have 8 kids by 6 different women and don’t support any of them, to a Japanese man, you are little more than an animal. You’re basically a dog. Because that’s what a dog does. A dog just knocks up any bitch he can or as many bitches as possible, then runs away and leaves her and doesn’t help her raise any of the young.


Filed under Asia, Asians, Blacks, Culture, Japan, Japanese, NE Asia, Northeast Asians, Race/Ethnicity, Racism, Regional, South Korea, Travel

The Major Races as “Typical Endpoints” of Human Evolution

Someone just asked me why the Ainu look Caucasian. They have been thought to be Caucasian, but recent research sheds doubt on that theory. What they are instead are Australoids, similar to Aborigines. The probable reason for their Caucasoid appearance is that in a number of cases, when you breed a pure Australoid with a pure Mongoloid, you do end up with a “Caucasoid” appearing phenotype. I have seen this in the Ainu, in some Cambodians and in some Pacific Islanders at the very least. There are also some Papuans and even Aborigines who look somewhat Caucasoid for whatever reason.

By the same token, many people end up looking somewhat Negroid, especially those who develop in the tropics. Idiot Afrocentrists are always claiming Melanesians, Negritos, South Indians and even some ancient Mesoamericans as “Blacks.” Racist websites say that Aborigines and Papuans are “niggers.”

What we have here is “Negroid” phenotype as a “typical endpoint” for human evolution in tropical regions. In that type of climate, a “Negroid” phenotype is favored for whatever reasons. Are these groups therefore Negroids, as racists and Afrocentrists insist? No! Of course not.

Another typical endpoint is probably “Mongoloid.” This is probably why ancient Europeans have a somewhat Mongoloid appearance, and Europeans at 30,000 YBP look more like Amerinds from the NW United States than anyone else. “Mongoloid” phenotype is simply one of the “typical endpoints” for human evolution.

The Australoid phenotype is probably another typical endpoint, though I can’t find many non-Australoids who ended up looking that way. Australoid is probably just code for the phenotype of the ancient people of Asia.

So what are we saying here? Just that given any mixture of human races, you will probably end up inevitably with four major phenotypes – Australoid, Negroid, Caucasoid or Mongoloid. There are only so many ways that a human face can possibly look, due to whatever constraints there are on the system. No matter how you mix things, human faces can probably only end up in one of those slots.

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“A Bit on Asian Creativity, or Lack Thereof,” by Anon Skimmer

This is a guest post from a regular commenter who wishes to remain anonymous. We will publish posts by commenters provided they meet quality standards. All submissions are subject to an edit by me.

A Bit on Asian Creativity, or Lack Thereof

by Anon Skimmer

This post is inspired by a messy debate in the comments section between Bay Area Guy and Haux.

How exactly do you learn creativity? People seem to be grasping around for any excuse they can find to explain why East Asians are not originators. Could it be that maybe – just maybe – they are just not creative in certain realms, while they are creative in others? It just may be that simple.

Think about it – East Asians have been quite numerous throughout history (more heads). Even if they didn’t have much contact with other foreign influences, sheer numbers coupled with an average high IQ alone should have provided impetus for technological or scientific revolutions. These people are freakishly competitive among themselves, between their family units and between their clans. Toss in the other races, and their competitive drive shoots through the roof.

People argue that East Asians are not creative because of an education system that places emphasis on rote memorization. The problem with that belief – assuming it’s true – is that for every one East Asian that becomes a “casualty” of such a system, there are probably two East Asians that don’t take school as seriously. Surely these drifters have more time to “learn how to be more creative.” Extrapolate that over a population of almost 2 billion people, and the blame game on the educational system seems to hold little water.

If East Asians lagged whites in scientific, mathematical and technological contributions by only a little, then we might be able to overlook their under-performance as a temporary situation that may reverse, but the  fact is that they don’t lag by “just a little” — the gap is huge!

When we think about the innovations that are moving us humans forward, it is not the East Asians who are spearheading them. Sure the Japanese and South Koreans make good electronics and cars, but even the lowliest person could make an incremental improvement to almost anything with time and patience (to their credit, East Asians are not as easily distracted).

These incremental improvements are impressive, yes, and good for the Japanese and South Korean economies, but in the grand scheme of things, such a feat is not as impressive as your average Joe (or Chan) might make it seem.

There remains a stereotype that East Asians are good at math and science, surely perpetuated by their high grades in these areas and all the competitions they win in them. They probably are better at math and science, but nevertheless they are far from being the dominant group in the higher echelons of those fields. That’s where all the big things are happening. Their proficiency in these areas might all just be a façade for all we know.

Tiger mom, Amy Chua, believes that with hard work and discipline, just about anyone could become, say, a physicist. That’s true to an extent, but that doesn’t mean you’ll become a good physicist, let alone a standout one.

Hard work gets you noticed and often gets you far in life, but hard work doesn’t necessarily equate to “talent”.

Take lazy Einstein, for example. How many of his peers imagined how big  he would become? Einstein’s way of thinking is likely not something that could have even been taught at school. Moreover, his style of thinking is  not something that an education focused on rote memorization can undermine either, partly because he would be bored by rote learning and so would pay it little mind.

Einstein simply had raw talent! That’s what is probably missing in East Asia – true talent. What you likely have is a lot of hard working, high grade-scoring but naturally talentless individuals posing as talented. They have the propensity to learn, but they lack the raw material talent.

Before people stop viewing East Asians as an uncreative bunch, they need to see them take lead in the fields that matter, rather than just winning some medals at school. Sure they do an enviable job at running their countries, but they need to stop “borrowing” the technologies and ideas of others and start developing their own. If they don’t, how else could they say they control their own destiny?


Filed under Asians, Culture, Education, Guest Posts, Japanese, Koreans, Northeast Asians, Race/Ethnicity

Optimal IQ’s for Various Groups

Hey Rob! The 106 figure given for East Asians is highly suspicious. It seems like these are taken directly from SAT’s in which East Asians are overrepresented vs. all other groups that are underrepresented (save Jews and Indians).

105 in fact seems to be the absolute bottom end of East Asian IQ, which what poorest provinces of China as well as Mongolia get.

Zhejiang’s IQ was determined to be 115-116 (Raven’s).

This is Zhejiang’s (52 million people) performance on the recent PISA. It’s roughly 1 full SD over the highest white scores.

Koreans and Japanese reaction times far outperform their alleged 105-106 IQ’s (110-112 for adults has been found, and most recently 110 was found for Nagoya or another city in Japan)

WNs, neo-Nazis and Klansmen grudgingly admit to higher East Asian IQ’s but refuse to acknowledge that

1) Chinese and Sino-Tibetans are genetically distinct from other high IQ groups like the Koreans and Japanese

2) the North Chinese and Mongols are far more “pure-blooded” as far as East Asians go than either Koreans or Japanese

3) the place where Chinese most likely evolved into what they are, Tibet, is one of the coldest places on earth. It’s called the third pole for a reason.

4) IQ tests are biased in their age norming

5) the dumbest whites simply are not tested

6) East Asian societies are far more egalitarian than people realize, which means there’s much less of a rural-urban gap and much less selection bias

All non-white IQ’s are essentially grossly understated due to some combination of bias or poor nutrition.

I’d put optimal genotype IQ as follows:

North Coastal China: 115-118
South Coastal China: 112-116
Generalized Japanese/Korean: 110-112
Generalized Northern Euros: 97-102
Generalized Southern Euros: 92-102
Generalized Indian: 92-96 (they suffer from poor environment)
Sub-Saharan Africans: 85ish (malnutrition and poor education, but age bias favors them)

Everyone else (excl. Ashkenazi/Eastern Euros) I’d take Lynn’s latest and then tack on some 5-10 points. The IQ of Chinese in the traditional centers of learning and wealth are grossly underestimated.

This is nice stuff. Finally, an optimistic post about IQ. It is amazing that the people of Zhejiang have IQ’s of 116, but it doesn’t necessarily surprise me. I had always heard that the E. Asian IQ was 105, but the East Asians I kept meeting seemed so much smarter than that. A lot of them seemed smarter than I was! The numbers just did not seem to add up.

Another thing I noticed was the effortlessness of E. Asian achievement. My East Asian friends used to laugh at me for studying.

“Bob? Why do you study? We never study. Haha.” They got straight A’s.

“You never study?” I would ask.

“Maybe a little bit, the night before a test.”

This is something I have always known about smart people. My Mom used to work for a psychologist as a secretary. He administered IQ tests, among other tests.

He was brought up to believe that the high scorers studied all the time. So he would ask them if they studied a lot. The highest scorers often said that they hardly ever studied because the work was simply too easy. Often those scoring much lower said that they studied all the time, but still struggled to barely make good grades. He was getting ready to throw out the whole “People are smart because they study all the time,” thing.

He was also very liberal. But after giving IQ tests for 25 years, he was starting to wonder. The Jews and Asians scored highest, then the Whites, and then the Blacks. He also said that Mormons were “very nice, but dumb.” Welcome President Romney.

Asian scores may indeed be higher than what they seem, but this remains to be demonstrated. Surely the Zhejiang scores are very high. This makes the Zhejiang people as smart as Jews, with 3 times the population. The Protocols of the Elders of Zhejiang anyone?

It is interesting that the Chinese may have evolved in Tibet, one of the coldest places on Earth. That is if we are to put any weight on the cold = high IQ theory of IQ. I am not sure about huax’s points 4-6. I am also not sure about his optimized phenotypic IQ scores for Asia. However, the ones for Europe may be about right.

For India, he may be onto something. Indian IQ’s are low – at 82, lower than US Blacks at 87. However when Indians move to the West, the resulting scores tend to be ~92-96. There is of course the question of selection bias – that we are only getting the smartest of Indians. Yet Indian IQ’s are just as high in the UK, where any old Indian can immigrate, and they have not had boatloads of IT immigrants.

The optimal Black IQ may indeed be ~85. The US Black IQ is 87, but they have 15% White admixture. The UK Black IQ (mostly Jamaican) is 86, but they have 9% White admixture. At any rate, African and Caribbean IQ’s can conceivably rise to ~85 under optimal conditions. A lot of people are pessimistic about Africa, but in terms of IQ, the future may indeed be bright. We could be seeing substantial IQ rise in Africa in the future. Considering all of Africa’s problems, rising IQ can only benefit the continent.

It’s depressing to think that Black IQ may have ceilinged out in the US and UK. Nevertheless, Western Blacks have benefited greatly from moving to the West. If they had stayed in Africa or the Caribbean, their IQ’s would be 67-71. They love to complain about Western racism, but it looks like in addition to a lot of racism, we also donated about 15 IQ points to them. And you’re welcome.


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NE Asians and SE Asians

As you can see, NE Asians and SE Asians are completely different races. Under SE Asians, what I mean are the Oceanians, Indonesians, Filipinos, Malay, Thai, Lao, Khmer, Vietnamese and Southern Chinese. Amerindians and Eskimos are much closer to NE Asians than the SE Asians are.

SE Asians were the third major split in man.

1st split – Africans

2nd split – Australians and Papuans

3rd split – SE Asians

4th split – to NE Asians and Caucasians

The chart indicates a huge split between NE and SE Asians.


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