Northern and Southern Mongoloids

It is best to split the Mongoloid race into two branches – Northern and Southern Mongoloids.

Northern Mongoloids include the North Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Xibe, Oroquens, Mongolians and various Siberians.

North Mongoloid – South Korean girl.

Southern Mongoloids include a large grouping including many of the peoples of South China – Tibetans, Dai, Burmese, Thai, Hmong, Khmer, Lao, Vietnamese, Malay, Filipinos, and most Indonesians.

Southern Chinese – Northern and Southern Mongoloid mix.

Below is a pure Southern Mongoloid.

Southern Mongoloid – Kinaray-a Filipina.

For comparison purposes, see a Japanese (N. Mongoloid) and Filipino (S. Mongoloid) mix below.

Japanese – Filipina mix. A mixture of N. Mongoloid and S. Mongoloid in this case results in a phenotype that is mostly N. Mongoloid.

There is a lot of controversy on the boards about this issue. Some say that Southeast Asians are not pure Mongoloids – that instead they are Mongoloid-Australoids. Most of this critique comes from Chinese racists. Many of these Chinese are overseas Chinese who live in the Philippines and Indonesia. Chinese people are unbelievably racist as it is, but the overseas Chinese are some of the most insanely racist of all the Chinese, far more racist than the mainland Chinese.

This is all based on something called Han Supremacism. Han Supremacism is the underlying racist ideology behind almost all Chinese racism. Han Supremacism generally says that Northern Chinese are superior to Southern Chinese. The Southern Chinese were originally the Yue people, but they got conquered by the Han and become Hanized.

According to Han racism, only the Han are Chinese people. All of the other ethnic groups in China – and there are over 80 of them – are all “non-Chinese.” Hence the Taiwan aborigines, the Dai, the Tibetans, the Uighurs, the Mongolians, the Hmong, and some would say even the Cantonese, are all “non-Chinese.”

This is the most vicious Nazi-like ethnic nationalism, whereby only the majority ethnic group is defined as part of the nation and the rest of the residents of the land are said to be “foreigners.” This was precisely the fascist ethnic nationalism that overtook Europe in the 1930′s and 1940′s and it is essential to all fascist movements all over the globe. It was also a part of the ideology of the fascist Young Turks of Turkey when they murdered 2.5 million “non-Turks.” This same fascist ideology resurfaced again in the Balkans in the 1990′s.

The Han want to believe that Southeast Asians are inferior to Northeast Asians. This way of thinking is also prevalent among Japanese, but most Japanese don’t even bother to think about Southeast Asians. They are more concerned with Koreans. The reason for the inferiority of Southeast Asians, according to Han racists, is that they are part Australoid. Strictly speaking, this is not really true.

What is true is that the transition from Australoid to Mongoloid took place much later in Southeast Asia than it did in Northeast Asia. The NE Asian transition took place 9,000 years ago, and the SE Asian transition, at least in Vietnam, took place ~2,200 years ago. Nevertheless, actual Australoid genes in SE Asians are few in number. The Malay and the South Vietnamese have a few Papuan genes, but the numbers are very small. Filipinos only have a sprinkling of genes from the Negritos, similar to the Amerindian genes in many White Americans.

Southeast Asians do tend to have darker skin than Northeast Asians. The fact that they have lighter skin is one of the reasons why North Chinese look down on South Chinese so much.

Even Southern Chinese can have fairly dark skin – see the group below.

Southern Chinese. Note that some Southern Chinese can have fairly dark skin.

Some Filipinas have skin that is so dark that they could well be Blasians – Black-Asian mixes. However, the woman below is a pure Filipina.

Some Filipinas look very dark. This Filipina could even be a Blasian, but she is 100% Filipina.

While most Filipinos have no observable Negrito blood, in the urban slums, you can sometimes see Filipinos with Negrito elements. The girls below seem to be mostly Southern Mongoloid (Filipino) but they seem to have a small Negrito element.

Slum dwelling children in the Philippines. These kids appear to have some Negrito in them. Some Filipinos have observable Negrito elements, but most do not.

Below are Filipino Negritos. They would be regarded as an Australoid people.

Pure Ati from the Philippines. These Negrito people have very low population numbers and may even be going extinct.

The Negrito woman and her child below have quite a bit of Mongoloid genes in them.

The true Australoid-Mongoloid types would be the Eastern Indonesians, the Melanesians, the Micronesians and the Polynesians. The Polynesians are ~50% Austronesian and ~50% Melanesian. Micronesians have more Melanesian in them. Melanesians are a mix primarily of Austronesian and Papuan.

A Timorese woman, a true Mongoloid-Australoid mix. Timorese are about 80% Melanesian and 20% Southern Mongoloid (Austronesian)

In Praise of Race Mixing

Hage writes:

Doesn’t race mixing produce better looking women? A lot of great looking women in South America (region with a ratio of the best looking people) are of mixed race heritage.

It is a given in animal breeding that heterozygosity is a good idea. Whether this works the same in humans is not known, but we are animals too. Surely race mixing cannot be a disaster if animal breeding is any guide, and probably inbreeding is a much more serious problem with humans.

The White nationalists and other racial pluralists always champion pure races and inbreeding and pour cold water on the notion of hybrid vigor and interbreeding. However, the record from animal breeding shows that highly purebred (inbred) and unmixed animal breeds have a huge number of serious issues, typically genetic medical problems (often muskoloskeletal). There is certainly no evidence that mixing races produces a “bastardized,” “mutt” or inherently unstable and defective race of any sort. In fact, the more diverse a race’s genetic set, the more adaptive they are as a general rule.

If, say, Blacks are a problem in your country, you can always get rid of the problem by eliminating the Black race in your land. You would do this not be killing or deporting the actual Black people in your country; instead you would simply breed them out of existence by breeding in with them.

This was actually a project of the government of Brazil in the 1800′s under the Brancamiento Program, whereby Whites and others were encouraged to breed with Blacks in order to eliminate the Black race in Brazil, who were seen as a problem. At the same time, the state encouraged mass importation of Whites from Europe. Many came from Portugal and Spain, and quite a few others came from Italy (mostly northern Italy) and Germany (north and central Germany).

At present, there are only ~7% pure Blacks in Brazil anymore. Nevertheless, the more mulattoized culture of Brazil has a gigantic crime rate, is horrifically violent, and in general, Brazil is an extremely cruel, callous and unequal state (one of the most unequal states on Earth).

In Mexico, at one time, there was a large number of Blacks in the country. They were simply bred out of existence such that Blacks or even mulattos are not common anymore, except on the coast around Veracruz. Nevertheless, the average Mexican is now 3-5% Black, something most US Blacks are loath to admit. That amount of Black genes in the stock should have very little effect on the population, certainly little to no negative effect. Nevertheless, it is certainly true that Mexico lacks any kind of Black race problem.

In the late 1800′s around Buenos Aires, there was a large Black population in the city. They seem to have disappeared off the face of the Earth, but a good theory is that they were simply bred out of existence. The average Argentine is now 3% Black.

Some race realists like to talk about how the Japanese race is one of the most superior races on Earth. I don’t like to discuss human races in those terms, but they do have high IQ’s a low crime rate and a very orderly society. The Japanese are actually a highly mongrelized race, a with a heavy mix of both Australoid Ainu and Korean Mongoloid in their stock.

Asian Men and Masculinity

Ishmael writes:

And regarding Japanese society, that’s one of the most masculine societies in the world. I second that. Men definitely rule the workplace there working long hours and chain-smoke like crazy. There’s a Viet nightclub place near my house that are filled with rough, manly types – not the androgynous crap.

Oh yeah! A lot of Vietnamese men, especially the older ones, are very macho. Rough, tough, badass, hardass men. I met a lot of them when I lived in Orange County. Also, a lot of Filipino guys are also very hard. Maybe especially the older guys, but I have heard that a lot of younger Filipino men in the Philippines are very hard, rough, tough, badass, supermacho type guys. I made friends with a lot of Filipinas on dating sites and the husbands were all macho bastards. They drank, gambled and especially fucked around like crazy. They all cheated on the women. Especially when the women went overseas to work, the guys all take mistresses. Filipino guys are badass motherfuckers!

Of course older Japanese society is very rough, tough and hard. The men rule that place with an iron fist. I met a lot of Japanese guys when I worked in Gardena, and especially the older ones were very macho type guys. Badass dudes. There seemed to be a connection whereby the more connected a guy was to Japan, the more tough and macho he was. I also met a lot of younger Japanese guys with deep connections to Japan (typical of Gardena). These young teenage boys were quite masculine. One thing you noticed was tightly controlled emotions and a strong hatred and distaste for homosexual men.

I also met a lot of Korean guys in LA, and there, the older ones were pretty badass too.

I spent some time around the Chinese sections of LA, and there are organized crime gangs there called Tongs. The young men there are very hard, rough and tough. You really do not want to mess with them at all. And the Chinese women those gang guys had did seem to be the cream of the crop. I met quite a few Chinese women when I was getting my Masters. I asked around about Chinese guys and the general impression was not that they were pussies. I knew this one woman, and I was talking to her about a recent Chinese movie getting showed around in the West.

“God!” I said. “All the Chinese men in that movie! They were all such pigs! Are all Chinese men really such pigs?”

She looked at me knowingly and nodded her head.

It is said that many modern Thai men are a bunch of pussies, but that has not been true traditionally. Even today, I have heard that many young Thai men are very tough and hard. You don’t mess around in Thai nightclubs, especially those heavily frequented by Thais. If you’re non-Thai and you are acting up, the young Thai males will corner you and order you to knock it off. If you don’t, they will definitely kick your ass!

It is only in the last 20 years or so that I have noticed, especially in Asia, the seeming pussification of the Asian male. Young Japanese men are now called “herbivores,” by society as many seem to have abandoned masculinity. They are despised by young Japanese females as weak and pussy. There is an incredible amount of male homosexuality exploding in places like Thailand. It’s quite unbelievable.

And when I was working with a lot of young Koreans translating my shock articles, I noticed a lot of young Korean men who were adopting extreme androgynous appearances to where you often could not even tell if it was a guy or a chick. Really into clothes and hairstyle too. Many were extremely good looking. I have no idea if these guys were straight, gay, bi or what, but once your society gets to the point where the guys are so femmed out that you can’t even tell if they are male or female, I am thinking you’ve got a problem.

The “nerdy Asian” thing is new. It has to do with young Asian men in the West. Asian males traditionally despite their very high IQ’s were *not* nerds. Hyermasculinity has long been mandated in the Philippines, Vietnam, China, Korea, and Japan.

Asians FTW

LOL, this video has now had over 1 billion viewers. That means that somehow, 1/7 of the planet has seen this video. Huh? No way LOL.

I wonder how much they want for an ad on this video? I notice no one’s even bought one. Probably set you back more than a Super Bowl ad.

I like this Korean guy. For one thing, he’s macho. I spent a lot of time around Asians when I was in LA. I taught at schools that were heavily Japanese, and I spent a lot of time around LA Koreans. Older Japanese and Korean men are not pussies! They are some of the most badass, hardcore macho pigs on the Earth, and their women know it. They carry themselves with a certain air that you’ve got to respect.

Where I worked in the Japanese part of LA (Gardena) there were quite a few younger Asian men who were born in Japan. They stood strong and tall, men with a capital M.

This was all 25 years ago.

Recently we hear that a lot of young Asian men are undergoing severe pussification. Not sure if it’s true, but if it’s is, what’s going on. Pussyism isn’t genetic with these guys. Asian men can be some of the hardest guys on Earth if they want to be, and I believe traditional Asian culture encouraged this.

One more thing. Every time I look at young Asian women like the ones in this video, first thing I do is get horny. Second thing I do is I feel like a pedophile. Anyone relate?

Japanese and Blacks

Tulio comments:

Virulent racism of Japanese towards blacks is something I always doubted. It seemed to contradict what black friends that have visited and worked there have told me. They said it’s absolutely fine and they have experienced little racism and what racism they do experience is stuff that tends to be directed toward foreigners in general such as being denied entry into Japanese only places.

Now one place I thought would be extremely racist to black people is Korea. But according to this black guy living there, he said he’s experienced nothing but hospitality and warmth. That even shocked me.

First of all, I am very happy that well behaved Black Americans can have a great experience in Korea and Japan. Black people really ought to be free to travel to and have fun in as many countries as I could. That a Black American is afraid to travel to some country because they will treat him badly simply because he is Black is very painful for me to contemplate. Maybe we Whites don’t realize how lucky we are.

However, a lot of Japanese Americans, both male and female, have very racist attitudes towards Blacks. I knew a Japanese American, and he was quite racist against Blacks.

You see where these Black guys run around and have like 8 different kids by 8 different women and don’t support any of them. That’s profoundly offensive to Japanese people, especially Japanese men. In East Asian society, a man may father children with more than one woman, but he absolutely must support all of his kids. If he does not, he is just a lowdown dirtball.

When these Black guys have 8 kids by 6 different women and don’t support any of them, to a Japanese man, you are little more than an animal. You’re basically a dog. Because that’s what a dog does. A dog just knocks up any bitch he can or as many bitches as possible, then runs away and leaves her and doesn’t help her raise any of the young.

“A Bit on Asian Creativity, or Lack Thereof,” by Anon Skimmer

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A Bit on Asian Creativity, or Lack Thereof

by Anon Skimmer

This post is inspired by a messy debate in the comments section between Bay Area Guy and Haux.

How exactly do you learn creativity? People seem to be grasping around for any excuse they can find to explain why East Asians are not originators. Could it be that maybe – just maybe – they are just not creative in certain realms, while they are creative in others? It just may be that simple.

Think about it – East Asians have been quite numerous throughout history (more heads). Even if they didn’t have much contact with other foreign influences, sheer numbers coupled with an average high IQ alone should have provided impetus for technological or scientific revolutions. These people are freakishly competitive among themselves, between their family units and between their clans. Toss in the other races, and their competitive drive shoots through the roof.

People argue that East Asians are not creative because of an education system that places emphasis on rote memorization. The problem with that belief – assuming it’s true – is that for every one East Asian that becomes a “casualty” of such a system, there are probably two East Asians that don’t take school as seriously. Surely these drifters have more time to “learn how to be more creative.” Extrapolate that over a population of almost 2 billion people, and the blame game on the educational system seems to hold little water.

If East Asians lagged whites in scientific, mathematical and technological contributions by only a little, then we might be able to overlook their under-performance as a temporary situation that may reverse, but the  fact is that they don’t lag by “just a little” — the gap is huge!

When we think about the innovations that are moving us humans forward, it is not the East Asians who are spearheading them. Sure the Japanese and South Koreans make good electronics and cars, but even the lowliest person could make an incremental improvement to almost anything with time and patience (to their credit, East Asians are not as easily distracted).

These incremental improvements are impressive, yes, and good for the Japanese and South Korean economies, but in the grand scheme of things, such a feat is not as impressive as your average Joe (or Chan) might make it seem.

There remains a stereotype that East Asians are good at math and science, surely perpetuated by their high grades in these areas and all the competitions they win in them. They probably are better at math and science, but nevertheless they are far from being the dominant group in the higher echelons of those fields. That’s where all the big things are happening. Their proficiency in these areas might all just be a façade for all we know.

Tiger mom, Amy Chua, believes that with hard work and discipline, just about anyone could become, say, a physicist. That’s true to an extent, but that doesn’t mean you’ll become a good physicist, let alone a standout one.

Hard work gets you noticed and often gets you far in life, but hard work doesn’t necessarily equate to “talent”.

Take lazy Einstein, for example. How many of his peers imagined how big  he would become? Einstein’s way of thinking is likely not something that could have even been taught at school. Moreover, his style of thinking is  not something that an education focused on rote memorization can undermine either, partly because he would be bored by rote learning and so would pay it little mind.

Einstein simply had raw talent! That’s what is probably missing in East Asia – true talent. What you likely have is a lot of hard working, high grade-scoring but naturally talentless individuals posing as talented. They have the propensity to learn, but they lack the raw material talent.

Before people stop viewing East Asians as an uncreative bunch, they need to see them take lead in the fields that matter, rather than just winning some medals at school. Sure they do an enviable job at running their countries, but they need to stop “borrowing” the technologies and ideas of others and start developing their own. If they don’t, how else could they say they control their own destiny?

Optimal IQ’s for Various Groups

Hey Rob! The 106 figure given for East Asians is highly suspicious. It seems like these are taken directly from SAT’s in which East Asians are overrepresented vs. all other groups that are underrepresented (save Jews and Indians).

105 in fact seems to be the absolute bottom end of East Asian IQ, which what poorest provinces of China as well as Mongolia get.

Zhejiang’s IQ was determined to be 115-116 (Raven’s).

This is Zhejiang’s (52 million people) performance on the recent PISA. It’s roughly 1 full SD over the highest white scores.

Koreans and Japanese reaction times far outperform their alleged 105-106 IQ’s (110-112 for adults has been found, and most recently 110 was found for Nagoya or another city in Japan)

WNs, neo-Nazis and Klansmen grudgingly admit to higher East Asian IQ’s but refuse to acknowledge that

1) Chinese and Sino-Tibetans are genetically distinct from other high IQ groups like the Koreans and Japanese

2) the North Chinese and Mongols are far more “pure-blooded” as far as East Asians go than either Koreans or Japanese

3) the place where Chinese most likely evolved into what they are, Tibet, is one of the coldest places on earth. It’s called the third pole for a reason.

4) IQ tests are biased in their age norming

5) the dumbest whites simply are not tested

6) East Asian societies are far more egalitarian than people realize, which means there’s much less of a rural-urban gap and much less selection bias

All non-white IQ’s are essentially grossly understated due to some combination of bias or poor nutrition.

I’d put optimal genotype IQ as follows:

North Coastal China: 115-118
South Coastal China: 112-116
Generalized Japanese/Korean: 110-112
Generalized Northern Euros: 97-102
Generalized Southern Euros: 92-102
Generalized Indian: 92-96 (they suffer from poor environment)
Sub-Saharan Africans: 85ish (malnutrition and poor education, but age bias favors them)

Everyone else (excl. Ashkenazi/Eastern Euros) I’d take Lynn’s latest and then tack on some 5-10 points. The IQ of Chinese in the traditional centers of learning and wealth are grossly underestimated.

This is nice stuff. Finally, an optimistic post about IQ. It is amazing that the people of Zhejiang have IQ’s of 116, but it doesn’t necessarily surprise me. I had always heard that the E. Asian IQ was 105, but the East Asians I kept meeting seemed so much smarter than that. A lot of them seemed smarter than I was! The numbers just did not seem to add up.

Another thing I noticed was the effortlessness of E. Asian achievement. My East Asian friends used to laugh at me for studying.

“Bob? Why do you study? We never study. Haha.” They got straight A’s.

“You never study?” I would ask.

“Maybe a little bit, the night before a test.”

This is something I have always known about smart people. My Mom used to work for a psychologist as a secretary. He administered IQ tests, among other tests.

He was brought up to believe that the high scorers studied all the time. So he would ask them if they studied a lot. The highest scorers often said that they hardly ever studied because the work was simply too easy. Often those scoring much lower said that they studied all the time, but still struggled to barely make good grades. He was getting ready to throw out the whole “People are smart because they study all the time,” thing.

He was also very liberal. But after giving IQ tests for 25 years, he was starting to wonder. The Jews and Asians scored highest, then the Whites, and then the Blacks. He also said that Mormons were “very nice, but dumb.” Welcome President Romney.

Asian scores may indeed be higher than what they seem, but this remains to be demonstrated. Surely the Zhejiang scores are very high. This makes the Zhejiang people as smart as Jews, with 3 times the population. The Protocols of the Elders of Zhejiang anyone?

It is interesting that the Chinese may have evolved in Tibet, one of the coldest places on Earth. That is if we are to put any weight on the cold = high IQ theory of IQ. I am not sure about huax’s points 4-6. I am also not sure about his optimized phenotypic IQ scores for Asia. However, the ones for Europe may be about right.

For India, he may be onto something. Indian IQ’s are low – at 82, lower than US Blacks at 87. However when Indians move to the West, the resulting scores tend to be ~92-96. There is of course the question of selection bias – that we are only getting the smartest of Indians. Yet Indian IQ’s are just as high in the UK, where any old Indian can immigrate, and they have not had boatloads of IT immigrants.

The optimal Black IQ may indeed be ~85. The US Black IQ is 87, but they have 15% White admixture. The UK Black IQ (mostly Jamaican) is 86, but they have 9% White admixture. At any rate, African and Caribbean IQ’s can conceivably rise to ~85 under optimal conditions. A lot of people are pessimistic about Africa, but in terms of IQ, the future may indeed be bright. We could be seeing substantial IQ rise in Africa in the future. Considering all of Africa’s problems, rising IQ can only benefit the continent.

It’s depressing to think that Black IQ may have ceilinged out in the US and UK. Nevertheless, Western Blacks have benefited greatly from moving to the West. If they had stayed in Africa or the Caribbean, their IQ’s would be 67-71. They love to complain about Western racism, but it looks like in addition to a lot of racism, we also donated about 15 IQ points to them. And you’re welcome.

Being Black in Japan

The race realists and White nationalists frequently say that the Japanese absolutely detest Black people.* Based on this video, I would say that that is somewhat of an exaggeration. However, also based on this video, I would say that the Japanese aren’t the biggest Negrophiles on Earth.

All in all, the Black experience in Japan is more nuanced than either the Negrophobic or Negrophilic extreme. It’s somewhere in between. This guy has had some difficulties, but he doesn’t say he’s been living in Hell. On the other hand, he’s a quite civilized young Black man, and he also seems pretty smart, so even here in the US most Whites are going to be pretty nice to him. How will the more common ghetto Black type to one degree or another go over in Japan? Probably a lot worse, I would imagine.

He does say one interesting thing. In Japan, a foreigner is a foreigner. So a Black man is likely to be treated about the same as a White man in Japan. They’re all the same – foreigners.

There are few Blacks in Japan period, and most of the ones over there are Oreos like this guy. Nevertheless, I have heard that of all ethnic groups in Japan, the small group of Blacks have the highest crime rate. Which should surprise no one.

Good video – check it out.

*What I have seen is more the case is that many Japanese-Americans have a strong and abiding racism towards Blacks. I know this from some of these types that I have known, generally 2nd or 3rd generation. As an example, see the all too common ghetto Black behavior of a man running around and making babies with  a number of different women,and then not supporting any of them (also relatively common in Africa by the way).

To a Japanese man, that is perfectly normal behavior – for a dog! Because that’s what a dog does – he runs around and knocks up various bitches down the years, then takes off and refuses to support any of the whelps. So to a Japanese man, a Black man who does that is not even human – he’s simply a dog. Japanese men are supposed to be husbands and fathers, and a man who refuses to support his kids is treated as the lowest sort of garbage.

Japanese in Japan are probably a bit differnt because they simply don’t have much experience with Blacks. Japanese-Americans have dealt with Blacks in their families and extended circles for two or three generations, and I think they don’t like what they saw.

Table Manners: Are You Supposed To Leave Some Food on Your Plate?

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This is a sore issue between me and my extremely uptight, ultra-White family. The “table manners” game. They’ve always insisted that my table manners are atrocious. I think that’s ridiculous. No one else has ever remarked on them except for one Black girlfriend, who was one of the most uptight people I’ve ever met. I actually don’t like slobs either, and I am White, culturally and obviously, but I think that at some point you are just too White.

My violations?

1. Putting my left wrist on the table while I eat with my right hand. I really hate the eating with one hand thing and keeping the other forearm off the table in your lap. I feel like my left arm just got chopped off!
2. Finishing every last bit of food on my plate.
3. Eating soup. Something asinine about eating soup that I can’t quite remember. Could it be leaning over the bowl? You’re not supposed to lean over the bowl?
4. Using my left fingers as a “pusher” to help ease recalcitrant food onto my utensil. I guess I could use a piece of bread to do this, but I’m usually too lazy. Anyway, my uncle, a wealthy business owner who spent all his life having business meals, uses his fingers to push too.
5. Eating with my mouth open. This accusation really pisses me off, because even I don’t think I do that! Like I said above, I’m into manners too.

Can’t think of anymore right now.

My father being dead is not a good thing, but I am glad I don’t have to listen to his table manners crap anymore.

The only one I looked up about was the “always leave a bit of food on your table.” The version I learned was the White genteel version that says you leave some food on your plate to show you’re not a pig. Also, trying to get the last scraps does tend to involve some of those “pushing” violations.

According to this article, that rule is all but dead. It’s a rule from the older generation, and at the moment in the US and around the world for that matter, it’s either out or on its way out. Around the world, manners seem to be moving in the Japanese direction: eat it all up to show how appreciative you are. The only problems are in a few countries where, if you lap it all up, the host thinks you didn’t get enough to eat, so they demand that you have seconds. In other places and in some US groups, it’s considered rude to leave any food on your plate!

If there’s one thing that sucks about being White, it’s this table manners crap. There’s no way on Earth that other cultures are as nutty about this stuff as we are.

Is There An Australoid Race?

New commenter Nikephoros, from Colombia, an antiracist type who I suspect is also a race-denier, comments:

NP: Then SE Asians are “Australoid” right to this day. SE Asians don’t differ craniometrically too much from Papuans or the more gracile Australian types.

RL: I am not sure I agree with that. Studies of Vietnamese skulls clearly show that there are different types, with the ancient Melanesian skulls slowly changing and becoming more Oriental, eventually trending over the last 2,300 years towards the true SE Asian type. The Melanesian type seems completely phased out 2,3000 YBP.

And there is a set of skulls that pools together as Australoid – Tamils, Indian tribals, Negritos, Senoi, Melanesians, Ainu, Papuans, Aborigines and some Amerindians.

My understanding is that SE Asians proper are definitely not a part of this group. They are more progressive and less archaic.

NP: Do you have any link to those studies? SE Asians skulls seem to cover all the range from “Mongoloid” to “Australoid”, with most falling somewhere in between. Also so-called Australoids are a quite diverse group when it comes to cranial morphology.

If you go to George Weber’s site, you will see that Fuegians, the Pericu and the ancient skulls of the Americas plot with Aborigines, Melanesians, Papuans, Ainu and Negritos. I would call that group something like Australoids.

A traditional Ainu couple.

A Vietnamese paleoanthropologist characterized Vietnamese fossils. To him, there was a clear progression from Australoid or Melanesian (20,000 YBP) to SE Asian of today, with a lot of classic Oriental type input from China to the north.

A Melanesian man with blond hair. This was the dominant type in Vietnam until 2,200 YBP.

A classic Vietnamese type. What a cutie!

I don’t think many SE Asians look Australoid, unless you include Negritos, Senoi, and some East Indonesians, but those Indonesians are really Melanesians.

This paper shows that the Semang Negritos and Senoi of Thailand cluster with the Tamils, coastal New Guinea (Melanesians) and the Andaman Island Negritos. That looks like an “Australoid” type grouping to me.

A Dravidian from India with Australoid features. Before 10,000 YBP, Indians looked like Aborigines.

An Andaman Islands Negrito from the Jarawa group.

Melanesian teeth are very different from SE Asian teeth. SE Asian teeth are halfway between Melanesian teeth (Australoid) and NE Asian Sinodont teeth. This implies that SE Asians are halfway between Australoids and classic Mongoloids (NE Asians).

The ancient skulls from Thailand – Tabon, Niah, Gua Gunung – all look like Aborigines or Melanesians. Notice it says Aborigines or Melanesians. So there are similarities between the groups.

Australoid race: Aborigines, Papuans, Melanesians, Negritos, Ainu, Fuegians, Pericu, Tamils other Vedda and tribal types and ancient Amerindians.

A Papuan dude with some funky bones in his nose. This man looks almost Polynesian, but then Polynesians have a Papuan component via Melanesians.

Sure, it’s kind of a messy group, but it’s good enough for me and it seems to have some basis.

I also don’t have any problem with a Mongoloid race that includes SE Asians and NE Asians, with exceptions for Ainu, Negritos, Senoi and East Indonesians.