Older Guy Having the Time of His Life with Young Women

I recently received this comment in the comments threads, from an older guy, age 67, who is having the time of his life partying with young women aged 19-23.

I don’t know what to say about this issue; it is mainly because all the old bags have made it to where older guys liking younger women is looked at as something bad. As a consequence, many older guys will either try to stay away or they are married. I am now 67, still in good shape and look maybe 54. Since my divorce, I am having the time of my life with women aged 19-early 20′s. They are a crack up to party with if you party.

I can supply drinks and even some Mollys (MDMA or Ecstasy), and they love to have a safe place to party at. I make sure they make it back to get to their real boyfriends or home safe afterwards. Sometimes I get lucky and one of them likes me. I love them calling each other “bitch” LOL. It’s funny as hell, and you only live once. I been there and done the boring marriage thing.

These young women enjoy doing things and have never done many things or gone many places. They are hot, and they are fun…What the Hell else is there? I am loving life, and of course I help them with gas in their car or school books as that is a part of me I acquired from raising a daughter. No is sex required as I am calm and easy going, so they like that. I’m in Orange County, California and have 3 different girls coming around. Love it…to hell with you rejected old bags that never want sex and only want to bitch.

This is a great article! 67 year old guy partying down with hot young chicks aged 19-23! He is good to them, responsible and doesn’t pressure them for sex, but nevertheless, now and then he gets lucky. If this guy is creepy, then I say let’s hear it for creeps! A lot of older guys are not really interested in young women to be honest, contrary to all of the insane paranoia. Around here, I almost never see an older man with a very young woman. You simply don’t see it. So what’s all the fuss about?

After about age 47, it is very hard to interest them in you anyway, or at least that has been my experience.

I know quite a few young women in my daily life, and as a general rule, they really don’t like me too much. I’m not sure what it is all about, but I suspect they think I am a dirty old man! Of course, I am a dirty old man, not that there is anything wrong with that!

Most of them don’t even want me talking to them, not even the slightest bit of small talk about the most innocuous subjects. They tend to shut the conversations down very quickly, and I get the message all right. I am starting to act pretty rude back to them, so what goes around, comes around. I’m not trying to pick up on any of them; I just want to talk about this, that or whatever.

At my age, I can still get nice looking young women about age 27-29, but that is about as low as I can go anymore. How this guy, who is 12 years older than I am, has these 19-23 year old chicks coming around, I have no idea, but props anyway Pops!

As far as his complaints about older women, in my experience, the female sex drive remains potentially very strong all the way into the forties, from 40-48 at the very least. For some it keeps going pretty strong until 50. So the female sex drive then seems to come on at age 13 (my calculation based on present rates of maturation in the US) and remains quite strong in many cases all the way to age 45-48 or so. I have known some women aged 40-48 who are extreme sex maniacs.

I do not think the female sex drive changes much between 13-48, but studies show it peaks at age 33-39. These same studies also showed that the drive at that age was quite a bit higher than that of teenage girls. This same study showed a high rate of female “sexual responsiveness” whatever that means, extending far past the 40′s and into the 50′s and even old age.

However, after menopause hits, there does seem to be a lowering of the sex drive. This seems to hit women around age ~50 or thereabouts.

Game/PUA: The Importance of a Sexy Voice

Do I sound like this guy?

A friend of mine said I sound like a “subdued James Spader” on the phone and in interviews. I had no idea who this guy is, so I had go check him out on Youtube. This clip is from Pretty in Pink (1986). Damn he is one sexy bastard, and I love his voice. If I talk like this motherfucker, I am one happy man.

What does your voice sound like? Has anyone ever given you feedback on your voice? I do think that voice is important to a man in terms of getting women and even getting along well with other guys. For a very long time, since I was 20 or so, women and girls have been telling me I have a sexy voice. I haven’t the slightest idea how I managed to do this, except maybe trying. I made as my heroes a number of my friends who were basically the biggest players that the Lord ever created on Earth, then I consciously went about adopting their personas and even voices.

I remember once I was trying to pick up this chick in Aspen, Colorado on a ski trip. I called her at her hotel room and one of her roommates picked it up. The chick said, “My roommate says you have a sexy voice.” If I want to try to develop that voice better, I just plug back into that that scene and recreate that voice, or I use other similar scenes in my past. I make it as synthetic as possible so it’s seems like a real channeling and not some sort of an act. This means it is part of your actual skin at this place and time and not some acting job where you are probably unsuccessfully trying to mine some buried memory deep in the rubbled past.

On the Net, I used to go into voice chatrooms and start talking to the room. Other folks are talking to the room too, so there is some competition going on. You need a mike to do this. A few times, I started talking to the room and women, often young women, would start typing, “I love Calvin’s voice!” “Damn, Calvin has a sexy voice!” and things like that (my handle was Calvin).

A sexy voice works both ways. If you always sound sexy, a lot of people are going to get annoyed. Specifically, many women you meet will think you are trying to pick up on them even when you are not. I unfortunately have to deal with this on a regular basis. I am not sure it is the voice bit or not but a lot of young women think I am trying to pick up on them even when I am not., and this causes problems.

A sexy voice is a good thing, and I think this might be overlooked in Game/PUA theory. But I am not sure. Do Game/PUA sites talk about the importance of a sexy voice?

Indian Horndogs on the Internet

Dota writes:

Some interesting points, especially regarding creepy behavior. Indians get subtlety, but generally in the context of etiquette, which resembles the Persian ‘Taruf’ in its mode of implied communication. I am not sure about the etiquette patterns of the lower castes since I’ve never had any extended interaction with them, knowing how segregated Indian society is. This is worth looking into. You are also generally correct about Indian men failing to read signals properly, especially with regards to non Indian women

I have been dealing with Indians on the Net for a long time now. All I know is that they are regarded as the bane of the Internet by many women, and not just Western women. I knew a Kuwaiti and a Filipina who despised them also. They were simply way too forward and often aggressively and immediately sexual, and the women regarded them as creeptastic. The basic impression that I have gotten from these Indian guys, who I feel immense sympathy for, is that these guys simply do not know how to act around women at all! That’s just all there is to it. A bunch of guys who simply do not know how to behave or act around chicks.

As a guy who knows women very well and theoretically at least knows how to act around them, I can spot this clueless behavior a mile away.

My conclusion was that these guys grew up in some sort of a gender segregated environment, and they simply never learned how to act around chicks.

Of course I have acted creepy and clueless countless times in my life. I was corrected by females and others in all sorts of ways for this creeptastic behavior such that I know don’t really do it very much. The way a guy learns to act around chicks is by going through a creeptastic phase and getting spanked countless times. After a while you start to figure out what is ok and what is not ok.

I know quite a few Facebook chicks. I met them on a FB dating site a long time ago. When I go to these women’s homepages, every post they make has one or more (often quite a few) Indian guys jumping all over the post saying stuff to the woman. The stuff they say varies, but in general they are coming across overeager and overenthusiastic. Many of these women are Filipinas (some were Thais), and they are not that easy to score anyway. I have asked many of these Filipinas with Indian guys all over their page if they have anything going on with any of these Indian guys. 100% of them have told me, “No, those guys are just friends.”

Over time, I noticed that a few of my Filipina friends hooked up with men and started relationships with them. 100% of the guys they hooked up with were Western guys, either Europeans (often Swedes) or Americans, New Zealanders, Australians, etc. Indian guys were having a 0% success rate with these chicks.

I wondered if there was something inaccessible about these chicks that kept the Indian guys away from them. I got to know some of these chicks via chatting. I know how to talk to women, and it often didn’t take very long before these chicks were inviting me to their countries. I would say, “Where do I stay?” Sometimes they would say, “You stay in a hotel,” but a number of other times they said, “You stay with me baby!”

And a number of them asked me if I wanted to marry them. “You come here to my country, if you meet me and like me, you marry me and take me to USA.” Maybe they just want a green card, but I think a lot of them want to marry an American and get out of wherever.

Some of them sent me dirty pics of themselves, and others talked dirty to me. So these women were definitely accessible, but these Indian guys were completely locked out of them. Now why these Indian guys were batting .000, I am not really certain. Whatever they are doing, I would say that they are doing it wrong.

Get a Woman To Get Women

This is another in a series of articles where I try my hand at Game Theory, which is basically showing guys how to get women. This is a collaborative exercise. In other words, I am not Joe Stud teaching losers who can’t get women how to get one. This is a collaborative effort whereby males share their knowledge and experience as far as what works to get women.

One thing that I would like to say is very painful. It’s this:

You need to get a woman to get women. Or, you need to have a woman to get women. You get one woman, now you get more. See? The problem with this is, What about the guy who has no women, or, worse, who has never had any at all? I don’t want to say he is up the creek, but his prospects do not look too good.

If you had success with females in the past, then typically you can parlay that into more success in the future. So in that case, you don’t need to have a woman to get a woman. If you had a woman, you can get a woman. Or if you had women (better yet) you can get new ones.

The one common requirement here is experience and success. As with so much else in life, what to say to those poor souls who lack either or both? I do not know what to say to such a person.

However, there was a time in my teens when I had little or no success with females. At 16, I had hardly even been kissed. I overheard my father talking to my Mom in bed one night. “I am really worried about him,” my Dad said. “He doesn’t have any girlfriends!” My Mom said, “Don’t worry, he is still young.”

This sent a shiver of terror running down my spine. My own father was worried I was a faggot! This was back in the day when we thought homosexuality was contagious. Basically, all males started out straight but through some distortion of their self-image and sexuality, some straight males simply “turned gay.” A lot of us seemed to be worried about the prospect of “turning gay,” from conversations with my friends. And I read a Playboy statistic back in the 1970′s that said that 62% of all males have worried at some point or another in their lives whether they were gay or not. Probably for most of them it was but a passing worry.

Anyway, after hearing that, I resolved that I better to get myself some chicks right quick lest I turn into a homo! I grew my hair long, started smoking dope and listening to rock and roll. Wild fights with my father, sometimes fistfights, ensued. He as much as called me a faggot. He would sit there glaring at me at the dinner table, finally pounding his fist on the table. “Goddamn it!” he would scream. “You look like Veronica Lake!” Some old days movie star with fine curls. Which I had. Fine curls that is.

Anyway, all it took was the long hair, the dope and the rock and roll and pretty soon the chicks started rolling right on in. My Dad was furious that I was no longer a nerd. I dumped all my idiot, pussy, often somewhat fagged-out nerd friends who had no females in sight. I quit going to Chess Club meetings. Looking back on it, maybe I should not have dumped these nerds. One is now a brain surgeon, and the other owns a factory. Neither of these guys ever got any pussy, but I figure they must have got some by now. They lacked charm being nerds, but money has its own subtle allure you know.

Anyway, at one point in my life, I had zero experience, and pretty soon, I had quite a bit. I am not sure how I did it. It helped that at my age (16) most guys were complete failures as far as girls went. People were kind to me when I joined the hipster club.

At any rate, confidence helps. Even if you have dated 75-100 females, you can reach a point in your life when your confidence is zero. It won’t be appealing.

If you’re not having any success, I would urge you to shut up about it. I learned that awful quick. Back in the 1970′s, you were allowed about 3 weeks with no chick. After that, you were Loser City. Any females found out you had not girl in your life, they would start laughing and humiliating you right to your face. A few times, I offered that I had no chick in my life, and I might want one. I generally just got laughed at by both sexes. “Haha! Loser! Don’t expect me to help you!” That was from the guys. From the females it was crueler if anything.

I learned real quick to shut up about my sex life, and I also learned to lie a lot. My stock answer to every question was, “I don’t talk about my love life.” And I didn’t. That way you keep everyone guessing.

The painful realization that I got out of all of this was that at least at a young age, say early 20′s, pretty much nobody, I mean nobody, I mean nobody, is going to help you get laid. And the longer the incel spree goes on, the worse things get. Your confidence, formerly as high as the clouds, is now down in the mud. After dating 75 females at age 23-24, people were asking me if I was a virgin! They were asking me if I had ever had a date! If I had ever had a girlfriend! I assume they were reacting to what appeared to be possibly the lack of confidence that I was generating.

So now we finally roll around to the subject of the post. After much mucking about, the Whale is finally in sight, waiting to be stuck.

I have noticed in recent years that when there is not much going on female-wise in my life, I turn women off everywhere I go. Especially with young women, the attitude is basically, “Get the Hell away from me!”

As my love life picks up and things get moving along nicely, the women suddenly become way, way friendlier. Even previously inaccessible young women. All of a sudden, there are friendly and sexy females everywhere I go.

You wear your life in your sleeve. It takes a woman to get a woman!

Looks, Game or Status, Which Gets More Women?

Tulio writes:

Hey Robert, another question for you. You have said numerous times that you went through a lot of pussy in your 20s. What do you think was responsible for it? I know you said that when you were that age you were a very good looking guy and even had gay guys constantly trying to fuck you.

I figure that a man’s access to pussy comes down to 3 factors:

1) Looks
2) Game
3) Status

I didn’t list those in any particular order of importance but I’m curious as to how you would rank them in terms of importance from your experience.

That is what I used to look like.

1. Looks yeah it helps all right. But looks with zero game is worth bukwas. I have known great looking guys have not yet had sex in years. I know one who is 50 yrs old and he has never had sex in his life. He’s a very good looking guy!

Also when you are young, really good looks is not that great because it attracts whole armies of horrific, monstrous and diabolical faggots. Queers are extremely attracted to good looking guys, and if you look good, you need to fend these morons off constantly. So looks is really a double edged sword because of all the nightmarish queers it attracts.

2. I don’t even know what Game is! What is it? But anyway, it is really more Game than anything else I can think of. You just have to give off a certain vibe like you are a Sex God, or the King of Love or the Hottest Stud of All Time. Personally, I think I am King of the World, and I always have. It’s completely ridiculous as honestly I am a total loser, but I believe it anyway. It was my looks combined with sheer egotism that got me chicks. The looks without the egotism was nearly worthless.

3. Get women by getting women. You get a reputation as a player, and the new ones will keep coming up to you buying tickets for the next ride on your train. Females want a guy who gets women. If you don’t get women, you can’t get women. If you don’t have a woman, you can hardly get one. Once you start getting women, you get this aura thing about you. You get one chick, and it grows so big. You get two, now it doubles in size. You get three, now it’s tripled. And as your aura grows and grows, more and more females are attracted to you. Your aura doubles, now twice as many women are into you. It triples, and now it’s three times as many. Pretty soon you are attracting females everywhere you go, even to the store or the gas station. And pretty soon you have so many females in your life that it’s actually a great big gigantic hassle full of Hellish and insane chaos and drama.

Let me put it this way. There are times in my life these days when I am incel. I won’t say for how long. When I am incel, a lot especially young women act like I am poison. They are like, “Get away from me, dirty old man!” Total disrespect.

Then I get a woman in my life or more than one. Now all of a sudden something has changed about me. The women who were earlier treating me like crap notice that something has changed, and now their attitude changes a lot. It’s hard to describe the change, but it’s like an attitude of respect to say the least.

4. Giving off a sexual aura or projecting a sexual state. I have been doing this for a very long time, and I have gotten it down. It’s probably one of the things that attracts the queers, the bi queers, the bi queerious and the “straight but flexibles.” If you give off a really strong state like that, you will give off sexual vibes to any environment. Even guys will pick up on it and start making plays for you, and of course females will too. I can’t think of anything more important than giving off that sexual state. Problem is if you are incel for a while and still giving off that state, a lot of women just think it is creepy. You get a woman, and now it is ok all of a sudden.

5. Genuinely like or love women. The world is full of misogynists of varying degrees. Women act terrible, so it’s understandable how a lot of men hate women. On the other hand, a lot of men act terrible too, so it’s understandable how a lot of women hate men. I would say that misogyny just does not work, though I understand that a lot of players are misogynists. How do they make it work? I would say to not go the misogynist route. Instead just simply decide to really really really really love women! Despite all their faults and all of that.

For the longest time, I have liked females more than males. For long periods, many to most of my friends were females. I preferred to spend time around females versus spending time around guys because guys act like such idiots. Anyway, once you start hanging around females all the time, a lot of “brand new male friends” will suddenly show up and want to be your best buddy just to get in on the action, so you will end up with male friends anyway. A total reverence and worshipful attitude towards women by a man who truly loves women will get you further than the other things on this list.

6. I put status last because I’ve never had any status in my life! I guess I have some now as a writer. As a real young guy, you get status by getting chicks and being a cool guy. I also got status by selling weed. Around age 24, it all turns into money, and that’s where the real problems begin. I spent a lot of my 20′s fighting with bitchy girlfriends who were mad at me for not making enough money because they made more than I did. I also lived off older women who made decent money when I had no income, but that doesn’t last. Sure, status gets women, but as I have never had any, I can’t say how it ranks!

31 Year Old Man and 12-16 Year Old Girls

Humbert writes:

Robert, have you got any advice for a man in his 30s or 40s on how to pick up girls about aged 12-16? I am 31 at the moment and getting older every day. How did you get those girls when you where younger?

My advice is don’t do it! Not so much for moral reasons but instead for legal ones. Why would you want to take that kind of risk of going to prison?

I only had sex with underage girls from ages 18-21 and then I quit due to fear of going to jail, and not for any other reason I assure you! How did I do it?

I won Player of the Year for a few years straight and developed a reputation as the neighborhood stud. Everyone says females hate hominid males who have harems, but if you ask me, female humans are not that different from say female elephant seals. Once you get a reputation as the new Wilt Chamberlain, they start lining up at the door and taking numbers. They know what they are getting into, and most walk away satisfied. Then the 40 year old mother types find out about you, and they start wanting to get in on the action with the “hot guy” too.

I got underage girls at parties, through friends, on my ice cream route (I drove an ice cream truck and I used to stop and smoke weed with 15 year old chicks), through female friends and relatives fixing me up, through dope connections and mutual friends, etc.

I asked a 15 yr old girl I knew to get me some weed and coke (mostly as a ruse to seduce her), and she took me over to her friend’s house. Her friend was 17 and living with a 39 yr old guy. The 15 yr old thought that was a-ok. She admired her teen hottie friend and wanted to get in on the older guy thing. The guy had been screwing her Mom and then he left her for the 17 yr old daughter. We bought some weed and coke, and I took it up on vacation to go visit some relatives and some chicks I had hundreds of miles away in another city. I came back and had a relationship with the 15 yr old.

I had female friends who found out about me and starting fixing me up with their friends. One would fix me up with her friend, and then her friend would get jealous and try to fix me up with her friend. One friend had a 17 yr old friend and she fixed me up with the 17 yr old. The friend’s sister was 14 and got jealous of me dating the sister’s friend, so she fixed me up with her 14 yr old friend. Females are very competitive, and they see the guy who is getting the chicks, and they all want to steal him away from the other ones.

I also had female relatives who fixed me up with their friends. One time at age 20, I went to visit relatives hundreds of miles away. I was there like one or two days, and the phone started ringing for me and all these chicks were calling all the time. One day I was gone and came home. My older female relative said there had been 4 phone calls for me, all girls and young women. Two were other young female relatives who were my best friends. The other two were local girls who were friends with these girls.

My older relative looked at the list and rattled off the names of four girls who called for me aged 14-18. She was shaking her head incredulous like, “Jesus Christ, good God, how do you do it?” I guess she told her best friend, a single woman about 40, about that because later I was sitting around with this older relative and her 40 year old friend, and the 40 year old started hitting on me hard right in front of my relative. (I can’t describe these relatives any further for privacy reasons as they might read this site.)

As I got older, I could still get underage girls, I guess, but I didn’t try. There was this one punker chick I liked. I saw her outside a show and she was staring at me with that Stepford Wives zombie stare they get. I went over to her and started talking to her. She kept looking at me and talking about faggots. “Faggots, faggots, faggots…” Not sure if she was sending me a message or not. I later saw her at a punk show in the Valley. She basically wanted it, but I was 23 and I was afraid of messing around with a 15 yr old.

When I was 20, I had this little friend I used to hang out with on my janitor job at an elementary school. She was 11 going on 20. She befriended me for whatever reason and started hanging around with me and helping me on my job carrying the trash can for me and stuff like that. Her Mom led a crazy life with guys in and out all the time, and the girl told me about it.

To tell the truth, in all the time I was hanging around with her, I don’t think I ever thought of her sexually at all. At 11, she was just a little girl to me, and she wasn’t really a sexual object at all. I have no idea what her feelings were towards me at age 11 since I don’t understand female sexual development. She liked me a lot though. I just called her my “little buddy.”

At some point, it started raining all the time. I was supposed to go around picking up papers in the yard even when it was raining, and I said screw this, I ain’t doing it. So I would go in the office and sit there as long as it was raining. I did all the other parts of my job that did not involve walking around in the rain and getting rained on. It’s true I was sitting on my ass to an extent because I didn’t feel like getting rained on! Well my boss was an idiot, and he hated me like so many guys do. At that age, most middle age men totally hated me for some reason. He started getting really mad at me for not walking around in the rain picking up papers, and he engineered my getting fired.

It was later that summer, and I was jogging in the park and I saw my little friend. Now she was 12 going on 30 and starting to go through puberty. She told me she was a straight A student and track star. Then she said, “Ive been thinking about sex a lot lately.”

Me: “Ugh. Yeah?” Not knowing what to say.

Her: “I’ve been thinking I want to do it.”

Me: “Ugh, um ok…”

Her: “And I want to do it with you!”

I laughed nervously and I am not sure what I said, but at some point, I believe I said I didn’t think that would be a very good idea! Even in the 1970′s, a 20 year old guy and a 12 year old girl might very well get the law involved. Anyway, I wasn’t really into 12 year old girls at that time!

I did think about it a lot though, and I often wondered what it would have been like to do it with her if I could have gotten away with it. I even tried to have a fantasy of having sex with her in various ways, just because I’m a pervert, but the fantasy never really works right. She’s always too little or too young or too small or something. It just feels weird and bizarre, and it’s not even very sexy.

You get girls the same way you get a woman if you ask me. By being a stud, by being very friendly to girls, by approaching them and being open to them, by being nice to them, by being relaxed and calm around them.

At age 31, I would not advise him to not get involved with girls age 12-16. You can get arrested, and if you do, you are probably going down pretty hard. They will probably charge you with child molesting, not statutory rape. And doing 12-13 year old girls at his age is pretty questionable anyway. 12 year old girls are definitely within the realm of what people start calling pedophile, so if you get caught, you will get that label too. You will have to register for the sex offender list for the rest of your life. Whether or not you get beat up in jail, I have no idea. I’m a lot more comfortable with him being with the 14-16 yr olds than the 12-13 yr olds, but even the former is illegal.

I don’t much care if guys do this stuff, but to me, it’s just not worth it as it’s way too illegal.

Revenge, a Love Story

In recent years, I have joined dating sites. Over that period, I have turned down dozens of women who messaged me with flirts and whatnot.

I would get a message saying, “Hottie210 sent you a flirt!” You go to the page, and it says, “Hottie210 wants to chat!” You look in the box and there is some lame opener she picked out of a choice of canned openers. I look at her photo, frown and say, “Ugh, get out.”

A wicked smile creeps across my face. I am getting revenge. Yes! Revenge for all those bitches who turned me down, treated me like crap and dirt, called me a creep or worse, threatened to call the cops on me tried to throw me out of their workplaces, filed sexual harassment charges against me, refused to even speak to me. Thousands and thousands of humiliations minor to near-suicide inducing.

The page asks, “Do you want to chat with Hottie210?” It gives you a choice: “Accept” or “Decline.”

A diabolical smile worms across my face, made of sheer malice and wickedness, the weight of 40 years of humiliation. What goes around, comes around, bitches!

The mouse moves up to the “Decline” button, and I click it, bam! The page tells me, “You just declined a conversation with Hottie210.”

I leap out of my chair and clap my hands and jump up and down like a schoolboy. I run around my apartment laughing and singing and thrusting my arm in the air.

Believe it or not, life is transactional, though if you’re a heterosexual male, you wonder how that’s so. Women tempt fate and justice their entire lives. Usually what comes around, goes around (the justice or “paybacks” aspect of the transactional nature of life), but not here. For females, the dues never come around, much less get paid. Women are sexual scofflaws. Women commit the equivalent of sexual first degree homicide against us men their whole lives, and there’s no calling them to account. In fact, the more of us they kill, the more their status rises.

I am in my living room, dancing a jig like a drunken paddy. “Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it, ladies?” I shout at the sky. I lick my lips, and the revenge tastes good there.

I fired a shot for the boys! For the sins of her sisters, she had to pay.

Genius Types Get Rich, Right? The Evidence from One Family

Well, let me give you an example from my own family (genius IQ measured as 140+):

Sibling, IQ 145-150, BA Sociology: Not employed for many years. I am not at liberty to discuss the situation due to privacy concerns. This person has never really worked at a job in their entire life. They had a halfway decent job for maybe 3-4 months once, but it ended in a bad way. They never worked again, and frankly, this person will never work again. Income probably $12,000/yr. Borrows money every month to get by. This person has not just a low income but a negative income; that is, they are effectively bankrupt. Constantly hounded by creditors until they ditched them somehow by moving around and hiding out.

Sibling, IQ 145-150, BA Political Science: Student, income = zero. This person has spent their whole life as an average working class person, making a typical working class income which many would call low income. Can pay bills, but if there’s a major car repair, this person is fucked to Hell and back and needs to borrow or go carless. Worse, at the moment, they are not just zero income but apparently negative income due to being effectively bankrupt. Creditor-hounded.

Sibling, IQ 145-150, BS Biology: Armed security guard, works at county courthouses, etc. A good job, but not exactly a high IQ occupation. Income = ~60,000/yr for family of 3. That’s a middle class income, if that. Has a total bitch wife who hounds him constantly because they don’t make enough money and because he’s not a physician or an attorney. All her friends married doctors or lawyers, and that’s what she demands and deserves in life. At the moment, the guy’s living in Hell in terms of his marriage, and many of the things you might expect to come naturally in a marriage are apparently nonexistent, if you catch my drift.

Mother, IQ 150, BA English: Although she finished second in her class at Berkeley Law, she dropped out to marry my father, and for most of the marriage, she never worked. When she did work, she made no more than a middle class income. Her last job was her highest paid ever at $40K. Lived off a middle class income for her whole life and was always in trouble with money. Spent most of her life in heartbreaking and frankly unpayable debt.

Took out multiples mortgages on her house as she borrowed against it. After years of underwater and backwards mortgage payments, dumped the house, took the proceeds and bought a house worth 1/3 as much as the one sold, while the bank vacuumed up the rest. Present income = ~40,000? She is constantly broke, borrows money and credit cards from me, and often can’t even pay her bills or even mortgage.

Me, IQ 147, BA Journalism, MA Linguistics, teaching credential. The IQ, good looks in younger years and degrees all seem very nice, granted, but none of them have done jack for me in terms of making money, especially the IQ. As far as I am concerned, a high IQ is worth fuck all in terms of making money. I won’t discuss my income, but it’s possibly either at or below the poverty level even though it is true that I don’t have to work. Live off my grandpa’s trust fund, but it’s only a very small monthly income, just enough so working is not a necessity.

I have never made more than $20,000/yr in my life, and I probably never will. Declared bankruptcy once, and am currently hiding from bill collectors and refusing to pay creditors. I do pay my bills, but it’s hard. After bills, there is maybe $15/day left over budgeted for daily expenses, and that’s almost nothing. I visit my Mom’s house to collect various foods because honestly I really don’t have enough money for food. Credit cards are all pretty near maxed out, and I owe $4,500. I don’t see how I ever pay it off. God help me if my car needs any kind of significant repair in any way. Even oil changes are often delayed due to low funds.

Got flat broke several times in adulthood as I lost jobs and could not get other ones.

At those times, it was either go homeless or move back to parents’ house, so I moved back home 4-5 times in adulthood until I could get another job, arrange my finances, get a vehicle and then go out on my own again. These experiences were quite humiliating for an adult man, I assure you. One of the worst aspects of it was every time I moved home, almost no woman who found out about it would talk so much as talk to me. Of course I dated because I was a sex maniac, but from age 23 on, as soon as a woman found out I was at home, it was. “Bye bye!” Very discouraging, and this caused my already low opinion of females to drop another 100,000% or so.

What was even worse was I met a small army of queer and bi guys. Every single one of them made it absolutely queer that they would love to fuck me, and they didn’t give a damn where I lived. So you see faggotry has its temptations for men, although I don’t yield to such nonsense for various reasons. Mostly this experience was very depressing as it showed me how trivial it is to have sex with an attractive man but how having sex with an attractive woman without marrying her is one of the fine arts.

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As you can see, I am very dubious about the so-called link between brains and wealth. It’s simply not really there.

Social skills are good as IQ rises, but after IQ surpasses 125, social skills decline. As we range up into the very high IQ’s, social skills often decline so badly that they are best described as catastrophic. Many extremely high IQ types are living alone in crappy apartments in bad neighborhoods, living on low incomes with very limited social lives and sex lives that barely exist, if they exist at all. The problem is that as IQ rises past a certain high point, introversion starts increasing dramatically, and forms of neuroticism do to. Both of these are pretty much death sentences for social life in extroverted America.

Further, as the IQ gets very high, many of these types are simply perceived as “weirdos,” strange, bizarre, creepy or even frightening in some way or another by other people. I am not sure what is going on here, but at some point, you start running into this zone called Out to Lunch Genius Zone. This zone is a catastrophe for all sorts of things, especially social life. I have a feeling that it screams “Omega!” at women somehow.

It’s true that there have been many females in my life, but as the neuroticism, introversion and Out to Lunch Genius Type stuff increased, many women started acting like I was a walking sex repellant. I got the feeling that they could can my essence and spray it on hot and bothered bitches to calm them down.

Although years of great success and lots of fun with females allowed me to develop a strong reservoir of fondness for females which acted as a misogyny buffer of sorts, years of being a human sex repellant a good part of the time started to work against that, and I often had to battle the temptation to descend into cold-eyed misogyny.

The very fact that a man could go from Alpha to Omega at nearly the snap of one’s fingers made me start to think about what monstrously petty creatures females really are, which is a position I hold to this day.

I am also convinced that very high IQ types may have higher rates of certain minor mental illnesses, especially the so-called neurotic disorders. At some point, your brain is working so damn fast that you are more or less thinking yourself right into craziness.

Can Womanizers Ever Reform?

Calculated Risk writes:

The article by Robert is actually a pretty good description of the REAL womanizer (with the exception that they are not always delicate looking).

They don’t hate woman, they love them (too many of them) and they do have the goal to be with as many hot women as they possibly can, even if they have to lie and cheat. Many times the game and the challenge of making them fall in love is even more interesting to them than intercourse itself.

You’ll probably recognize him too because they usually pay for the first date, but most likely that’s all you will get as they have too many women to impress (unless they are pretty wealthy and can afford it all).

They are charming, sexy, seemingly sensitive, sweet spoken and yet completely clueless about the fact that they are hurting and disrespecting the women they’re with because despite their ability to be in touch with their feminine side, they are definitely men in the sense that their brains, their thoughts and their feelings work in the most basic manner (there are a few that are painfully honest, those are the better ones).

The womanizer, does not intend to “use” or hurt women, he simply doesn’t think about it until they meet one that makes them feel the same way he’s made others feel, and usually this woman (who tends to be the opposite to what he usually goes after) will have to go through some pretty tough times with him before he will even start to see her as “his conscience”.

Ironically, womanizers usually have close relationships with their moms, sisters and cousins, their best friends are always women, and he would stand up for them against other womanizers because he doesn’t see himself as the hurtful kind until they find that special woman that is willing to make him stand in front of the mirror…

I know so many stories on which the shameless womanizer falls in love and is even more loyal, faithful and committed to his wife than the manly man type and once that special woman becomes the mother of his children, she can never do wrong…

What I would like to know is whether there are statistics showing a high probability of this happening or if I have just been very lucky to have met quite a few people that were able to achieve this with a former womanizer…

Here I am, the girl that was friends with more than one womanizer and sworn would never date one, now contemplating committing to one (and yes, I did go through all the incredibly painful phase, the humiliations, the constant disappointments, I even had to break up with him and stay away for months, and let him go back to his old ways, before he came back acting like a completely different person)…

So if you’ve seen serious statistics, I could use them right now!!…one thing I know for a fact is that I am not willing to go through the pain again, but seeing the change and after so much work and tears invested in him, I do want to give this a chance.

p.s: Statistics please!!! Quick!!

This is so hard to say. I knew a lot of guys who were serious players as teenagers and young men in the late teens and early 20′s. A number of them settled down and married.

Some of them seem to continue on their womanizing ways, but others apparently did not for all I can tell. One told me that he is monogamous now for quite a few years. I would say it depends on how hardcore they are.

They are some aging womanizers who have told me that this is in their genes and as far as they are concerned, they are this way for life, or as long as they can still get it up. Not only are they addicted to living this way, but one guy told, “This is the way I want to live my life! Deep down inside, I don’t want to live any other way!”

I would not say that they don’t think about the females they are hurting. Some of them do. But if you let it really upset you, you aren’t going to be very good about this game.

I remember when I was younger, people were always telling me what a scum I was for engaging in this sort of behavior, and yes, I did hurt female’s feelings. I made quite a few females burst into tears right in front of my eyes. I felt terrible when this happened, like I was the lowest scummy worm on the face of the Earth.

On the other hand, I kept on engaging in the behavior anyway despite the fact that I often felt horribly guilty about it. So in that sense, it’s like an addiction. At one point, I felt so terrible and the guilt caught up to me so much that I cut way back on my dating. I was more or less walking around feeling guilty all the time.

Eventually I changed my mind and become more cold-blooded, but that took me a long time. Now my attitude is, “All’s fair in love and war!” Also I think females need to learn to understand the minefield of dealing with men and just toughen up and learn to handle it.

My Mom’s generation knew all about womanizers, and my Mom has told me that she and others her age were warned repeatedly about these types and about men in general. Females back then approached men with a very wary attitude and it was assumed that if you got burned by one of these types, well, that was simply to be expected.

Women didn’t fall apart, go nuts and never recover just because they got burned by a womanizer. If they took too long getting over it, they were just told, “What do you expect? He’s just a man. This is what they do. We warned you.” They were also told to suck it up, get over it and move on.

Nowadays we are told that some females “never recover” from dealings with a womanizer. Woman are always falling apart, losing it and going nuts. But they’re dealing with the same crap women have always dealt with just fine.

Women need to psychologically armor themselves with the knowledge of how men behave and need to be told it’s not ok to psychologically go to pieces just because you got involved with some cad.

I still believe, “All’s fair in love and war.” I don’t think that womanizing is immoral, and I don’t think they are necessarily manipulating and exploiting others, and even if they are, who cares! The way I see it is we all need sex like we need food and sleep. It’s not really possible to “use” a woman for sex, not in general. It’s like “using” your food to eat or “using” your boss to get a job so you can survive.

People have their needs, and they have the right to try to fulfill their needs in any legal way they see fit. A man and a woman having sex with each other are each fulfilling their sexual needs via the other person, so that’s a moral, not an immoral, personal transaction.

As far as not getting involved with a womanizer, women need to be smart and look before you leap. My Mom told me, “We were always told to not give it away unless you were getting something in return. Like for instance, a wedding ring!”

Is This Man Gay? Advice to a Gay Man

Willbethere writes:

Hey Robert, I am a gay dude and today I met up with the most beautiful masculine guy based on a common interest. We were with a group full of people yet he showed me a lot of attention. His masculinity makes me assume that he is straight. He also brought up a comment about the eye colour of women in a certain country and how pretty they are.

I am not sure if his said this because he thought I was straight… What do you think? I get a confused vibe from him, I feel half that he is interested, half that he is just interested in being a pal… he comes from a conservative country too…. He is very straight acting. Is there even the slight chance that he could be gay? Should I wait and see over the next few times that we hang out? What should I look for?

First of all, I would like to welcome you to the site, my gay friend. One my philosophies in life is to maximize everyone’s chances of getting laid. I have a hard time relating to your situation, so let’s pretend you are straight and this guy is a woman. Then I can understand it better.

In this situation, we want to help you get laid! On the other hand, I really don’t want you bothering, hassling, disturbing or upsetting a straight man.

I really don’t think he is gay, but he could very well by bisexual! Very masculine acting gay men are quite rare in my opinion, as rare as four leaf clovers. The comment about women and their eyes sounds very heterosexual. I can’t imagine a gay man saying that, ever, and gay men don’t try to fake being straight around other guys by faking interest in women. It simply doesn’t happen.

This guy’s into women. But is he into guys too?

There is more evidence that points away from a strong interest in guys on his part. Even straight acting gay men, when they are around a guy they like, will let down the straight acting game and start acting faggy, gay, effeminate, etc. So if this guy was gay and he was interested in you, he would have modified his behavior around you to be more effeminate as a sign that he’s interested in sex.

I have noticed this many times. Many gay and bi men don’t act all that gay, but quite a few times, when they got around me, they would go into a much gayer mode and act real flirty with me. I have also known some straight guys who were just desperate or whatever. In some cases, they modified their behavior and got a lot “faggier” with me. Around the same time, there would be some sort of a sexual come-on.

How does a straight man show interest in a female? He acts more masculine.

How does a straight woman show sexual interest in a male? She acts more feminine.

I conclude that when a man wants to have sex with another man, he acts like a woman towards him. That is, he modifies his behavior to act a lot more feminine as a way of showing his interest on homosexual sex. This has simply been my observation in life, and I’m not sure how valid it is, but I suppose it makes sense.

Taking the analogy further, if a woman wants to have sex with another woman, she may act masculine around her? Is that how lesbian sex works? The lez or bi woman acts masculine as a sexual cue for sex with another woman?

I honestly think that the best thing you should do here is to be completely up front with this guy. I have had to deal with gay and bi guys after me most of my life, and so much heartache could have been avoided if they just came right out and told me what they wanted. Instead, they played all sorts of bizarre, coy and sly games that mostly just scared the crap out of me.

If I were you, I would ask the guy what his sexual orientation is. Ask very nicely. “Can I ask you a question? Um, what’s your sexual orientation? Do you like guys, girls, or both?” I’ve had a number of people ask me this dumbfoundedly as a lot of people can’t make sense of me sexually because I am so confusing.

Hopefully he will answer. Then tell him that you’re gay in the most matter of fact way, like you were talking about the weather.

I would also tell him that you think he is very masculine and extremely straight acting, so you really thought he was straight. This will set his mind at ease. One thing that drives straight guys nuts when gays come onto them is the straight guy asks himself, “Whoa! Why did this queer come onto me?! Horrible! Does he think I’m gay or what?”

For a straight guy, the notion that queers think he might be gay due to the way he acts is often very upsetting and anxiety inducing. This is because a lot of straight guys have a lot invested in masculinity, and calling them a fag is one of the most dangerous insults of all.

He will be happy that you think he is extremely masculine and acts very straight.

After you tell him how straight he seems, say, “But I was just checking because you’re so unbelievably hot. I bet you have to fight off platoons of women.”

If straight men feel that gays think they are straight but are hot for them anyway, most don’t mind. It’s very flattering to be found attractive by either sex!

At this point, he will either tell you he’s straight or that he’s gay or bi. I really feel he is either straight, bi-curious or bi, or maybe he’s just a straight guy who fools around.

If he’s straight, just smile and say, “Ok, that’s nice.” Then leave him the Hell alone and don’t bother him anymore. Huge numbers of queers simply refuse to take no for an answer and never stop hitting on you until the end of time. It’s happened to me, and it’s happened to a number of my friends too. It’s extremely annoying and frankly it’s creepy and rude.

Now you will have to decide if you want to continue to be friends with a straight guy. Maybe you do! I have no idea. But if you do, please don’t bother him that way even one more time.

On the other hand, if he is open to homosexual sex as a bi or bi-curious guy (a possibility), now you’re a long ways towards hitting a home run my friend!

I can’t give you any more advice on how to seduce a guy because I don’t know the slightest thing about it.

If you go about it judiciously in this way, I don’t think there will be any problems for you. He won’t get mad, and there’s little potential for violence, explosions, vengeance and other weirdness.

Happy sex life!