More False Accusations Against This Site

All of this BS is coming from Bigfooters. Who else? They are quote mining the site and deliberately taking things out of context in order to present me in the worst way possible, and in addition, they are making things up altogether. They know completely what they are doing, and they are just making stuff up to make me look bad. It’s character assassination.

Unfortunately, most of it centers around charges of “pedophilia.” We are currently in the midst of a sexual mass hysteria surrounding “pedophilia.” The vast majority of what is called pedophilia now is not any such thing, and the vast majority of people called pedophiles now are anything but, but don’t let that get in the way of a mass hysteria.

Briefly, pedophilia, in its most broad form, means sex with children either 12-under or under the age 12 (definitions differ). Sex between adults and persons 13-17 may be a lot of things (mostly it is illegal) but it’s not pedophilia! In fact, it’s not even abnormal!

There was a major effort in the latest DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) of Mental Disorders to expand the definition of pedophilia to include persons around the age of puberty (12-14). They called it either ephebephilia or hebephilia, I forget. They tried to turn ephebephilia into a new mental disorder (probably to get more guys locked up forever in sex offender charges as mentally ill so they can never let them out of prison), but it failed completely. The definition read that the person has fantasies about sex with a 12-14 year old and is either bothered by them or has acted upon them.

The psychiatrists agreed that:

1. Ephebephilia is not a mental disorder or mental illness.

2. Ephebephilia isn’t even abnormal!

I know the last one might shock you, but that’s what they said. In other words, it’s perfectly normal to fantasize about having sex with 12-14 year olds, according to the association of US psychiatrists. They didn’t even want to say it was abnormal to have sex with them, which is sure to shock a lot of folks.

What is going on here is a conflation of sex with teenagers 13-17 with sex with children 12-under. In truth, they are completely different things. Sex with young children is known as child molestation or sexual abuse or a lot of other things. Sex with teenagers is not child molesting or sexual abuse or pedophilia or any such thing. Mostly, it’s just illegal. They used to call it statutory rape, which is probably the best way to look at it. Whatever it is, it’s not a mental illness.

And certainly it is 100% normal for adult males of any age to be attracted to teenage girls aged 13-17. Many lab studies have proven just this. I would say that 95% of all men react sexually to a fully developed teenage girl. The 5% who do not are obviously gay. So apparently 95% of all men are pedophiles!

I have repeatedly stated my position on statutory rape on this site. The law says it’s illegal. Society doesn’t like it, and we are currently in the midst of a seriously insane mass hysteria about the subject whereby statutory rape is ludicrously conflated by pedophilia. I would advocate all that all males aged 20 and over obey the laws and lay off the jailbait teenage girls. Guys age 18-19, I have no position on this. Are they getting arrested for this too now?

If you mess around with jailbait, you may well get caught. And if you get caught, you will probably be convicted. After you are convicted, you will probably go to prison, not jail. Even prison populations are insane now, and guys going down on having sex with 15 yr old girls are getting beat up in there as “child molesters.” Worse, the papers will insanely write up your case as a “child molestation case.” They will call you “child molester” or “pedophile.” For what? For screwing a teenage girl.

After you get out, you will have to register on the Sex Offender list for the rest of your life, that’s assuming they don’t try to give you a DSM diagnosis so they can put you in a mental hospital after you serve your sentence, a hospital that they will never release you from. This was the reason for sneaking ephebephilia into the DSM, so they could give guys messing with 13-14 year old girls DSM mentally disordered sex offender (MDSO) diagnoses so they could lock them up forever. Thank God they shot it down.

One of the charges is that I admitted to having sex with a 13 yr old girl on my site but then deleted the reference. Nope, never happened. Never been with a 13 year old girl. Maybe next lifetime! If it would have happened, it would have been when I was around ages 16-18, but the opportunity never availed, and after that, the very idea seemed weirder and weirder. I actually had some opportunities as a schoolteacher, with girls propositioning me right in class in front of everyone, but I turned them down.

I was 27 years old and teaching school in LA in the South Bay. The class was 8th grade. The kids started yelling out, “Hey, see that girl there? She wants to have sex with you!” I was thinking, “Huh LOL? No. No way. No way is this happening to me.” But they kept it up. Finally I put down my book and walked over to the girl. She was 13, and she was incredibly beautiful.

At age 27, 13 year old girls looked way better to me than they do now. The difference is like night and day. I really think these jailbaits look way better to younger guys than to us older guys. As a man gets older, those teen hotties just look less and less enticing.

The kids were saying, “She wants to have sex with you! She wants you to meet her in the park after school so she can have sex with you!” They were laughing and shouting and carrying on.

So I sauntered over to her table. She was beautiful and blonde and had a good body. “So…” I asked. “Is it true? You want to have sex with me? You want to meet me in the park after school so you can have sex with me?” She looked straight ahead and nodded her head shyly but with frantic enthusiasm, like she was a little embarrassed. I started laughing really hard, shook my head and walked away, and that was that. Needless to say, I never took her up on her offer.

The other charge is that I bought and did drugs and then had a relationship with a 15 year old girl. Yep, it’s all true! But I was 20 years old at the time! Haven’t done any such thing since I was 21. My conscience is clear. If a 20 yr old guy screwing a 15 yr old girl makes me a “pedophile,” hey, no problem – I guess I’m a pedophile then!

Another charge is that there are pedophiles in the comments sections. Every now and then pedos do show up in the comments section for whatever reason, along with guys who are not pedos but are interested in such things or on the verge molesting kids. Usually posters who are anti-pedo or anti-child molesting take them on pretty quick and start pounding them really good and hard, and then the pedo-molester types typically take off.

I certainly don’t ban pedophiles or even child molesters from my site. Anyone can post here, even serial killers. None have showed up yet, but I won’t ban them if they do.

Wait, I do ban Republicans. But then I like pedophiles way better than I like Republicans. 1 Republican is worse than 100 pedophiles.

What Are the Chans?

Rachelle writes:

Robert, baby, what is 4chan? Is it some creepy pedophile thing?

Possibly 4chan and definitely some of the other chans are known to sometimes have legal jailbait posts and even illegal child porn posts some of the time.

A friend of mine linked me to one of the particularly notorious chans once, and there were a bunch of pics of girls all the way to Lolitas to teenagers there. A lot of the girls are in very suggestive poses like with their legs spread very wide; however, they always had just enough clothing on. I mean a 10-12 year old girl wearing short shorts and doing a total split with her legs spread wide. There’s no actual nudity, but it’s very suggestive. I guess this sort of thing is legal, but it was definitely straddling the line. It was more weird, strange and funky than erotic. I was mostly thinking, “This is a bunch of bull!” and “Why would anyone want to look at that?”

The posts were split between channers who were posting this silliness and others who were opposed to it and were disturbed by the pics. Some of those disturbed by it were attacking the guys posting the stuff, calling them creepers, pedos and Chesters. A lot of the guys posting the stuff admitted that they had some sort of pedophilic or Lolita interest. Some of the girls were older and that looked ok, but a lot of them were Lolitas or even a bit younger and that was just freaky and disturbing. I read a few pages of it, and then I said screw this and left.

Supposedly people post real child porn on the chans sometimes. Some of my friends are big chan readers, and they say now and then someone posts illegal stuff. They usually get reported right away, and the stuff tends to get removed. Thing is, if you hang out on the chans, you are probably going to see some disturbing legal quasi-pedo stuff all the way to real illegal child porn. That’s a good reason to stay away from some of the more notorious chans right there. Who wants to see that stuff?

There are other chans that as far as I can tell never post anything like that. I get linked there sometimes, so I go to the sites. Even these chans are wild, wide open places full of all kinds of mostly young male and crazy posters. The whole idea is to post totally provocative things to rouse people up. A lot of it is very funny, but some is just disturbing.

For instance, you will be reading along and all of a sudden there is gay hardcore pornography of some guy sucking off another guy. Who wants to see that? Did I ask to see that? Or there might be some gore pic of something really horrible like someone getting his head blown off. And often racist posts, especially against Black people, will spring up out of nowhere. This results in a whole bunch of other really ugly anti-Black posts and some people jumping in to defend the Blacks. Some of the anti-Black stuff is funny, but most of it is just crude, rude and vicious. It’s not uncommon to see nasty anti-Semitism either.

On the more legit chans, you will never see any quasi-legal quasi-pedo stuff and of course there will not be any illegal child porn. Instead there will be quite a few pics of hot young chicks and some legal straight pornography. Even that is a bit weird as you will be reading along, and all of a sudden you get hit by hardcore porn out of nowhere.

Personally, I find the whole chan experience even on the legit chans to be quite disturbing. A lot of the posters are very mean and cruel to each other, and it’s a pretty adolescent atmosphere to say the least.

The whole idea of the chans is “anything goes.”

What Is the Correct Age of Consent?

Seed of Japheth asks:

I personally don’t know what a good age of consent is, what is your opinion on the right age of consent Robert? What do you think about Mexico’s age of consent?

You know my enemies have so poisoned this issue by falsely calling me a pedophile that I barely even want to address the subject. Anyway, I have no interest in it, as I honestly have no interest in underage girls anymore. About Mexico’s age of consent, I have no comment. As I said, this is not a passionate subject with me. My advice would just be to follow the law. Guys who are breaking the law are going down hard if they get caught in this lunatic climate, so I really have no sympathy for them. Men need to learn to control themselves, that’s all there it is to it.

I would say a 4-7 year difference.

Age 12-age 17: Legal?
Age 13-age 18: Legal
Age 14-age 21: Legal
Age 15-age 22: Legal
Age 16-age 23: Legal
Age 17-24: Legal
Under age 18-over age 25: Illegal

31 Year Old Man and 12-16 Year Old Girls

Humbert writes:

Robert, have you got any advice for a man in his 30s or 40s on how to pick up girls about aged 12-16? I am 31 at the moment and getting older every day. How did you get those girls when you where younger?

My advice is don’t do it! Not so much for moral reasons but instead for legal ones. Why would you want to take that kind of risk of going to prison?

I only had sex with underage girls from ages 18-21 and then I quit due to fear of going to jail, and not for any other reason I assure you! How did I do it?

I won Player of the Year for a few years straight and developed a reputation as the neighborhood stud. Everyone says females hate hominid males who have harems, but if you ask me, female humans are not that different from say female elephant seals. Once you get a reputation as the new Wilt Chamberlain, they start lining up at the door and taking numbers. They know what they are getting into, and most walk away satisfied. Then the 40 year old mother types find out about you, and they start wanting to get in on the action with the “hot guy” too.

I got underage girls at parties, through friends, on my ice cream route (I drove an ice cream truck and I used to stop and smoke weed with 15 year old chicks), through female friends and relatives fixing me up, through dope connections and mutual friends, etc.

I asked a 15 yr old girl I knew to get me some weed and coke (mostly as a ruse to seduce her), and she took me over to her friend’s house. Her friend was 17 and living with a 39 yr old guy. The 15 yr old thought that was a-ok. She admired her teen hottie friend and wanted to get in on the older guy thing. The guy had been screwing her Mom and then he left her for the 17 yr old daughter. We bought some weed and coke, and I took it up on vacation to go visit some relatives and some chicks I had hundreds of miles away in another city. I came back and had a relationship with the 15 yr old.

I had female friends who found out about me and starting fixing me up with their friends. One would fix me up with her friend, and then her friend would get jealous and try to fix me up with her friend. One friend had a 17 yr old friend and she fixed me up with the 17 yr old. The friend’s sister was 14 and got jealous of me dating the sister’s friend, so she fixed me up with her 14 yr old friend. Females are very competitive, and they see the guy who is getting the chicks, and they all want to steal him away from the other ones.

I also had female relatives who fixed me up with their friends. One time at age 20, I went to visit relatives hundreds of miles away. I was there like one or two days, and the phone started ringing for me and all these chicks were calling all the time. One day I was gone and came home. My older female relative said there had been 4 phone calls for me, all girls and young women. Two were other young female relatives who were my best friends. The other two were local girls who were friends with these girls.

My older relative looked at the list and rattled off the names of four girls who called for me aged 14-18. She was shaking her head incredulous like, “Jesus Christ, good God, how do you do it?” I guess she told her best friend, a single woman about 40, about that because later I was sitting around with this older relative and her 40 year old friend, and the 40 year old started hitting on me hard right in front of my relative. (I can’t describe these relatives any further for privacy reasons as they might read this site.)

As I got older, I could still get underage girls, I guess, but I didn’t try. There was this one punker chick I liked. I saw her outside a show and she was staring at me with that Stepford Wives zombie stare they get. I went over to her and started talking to her. She kept looking at me and talking about faggots. “Faggots, faggots, faggots…” Not sure if she was sending me a message or not. I later saw her at a punk show in the Valley. She basically wanted it, but I was 23 and I was afraid of messing around with a 15 yr old.

When I was 20, I had this little friend I used to hang out with on my janitor job at an elementary school. She was 11 going on 20. She befriended me for whatever reason and started hanging around with me and helping me on my job carrying the trash can for me and stuff like that. Her Mom led a crazy life with guys in and out all the time, and the girl told me about it.

To tell the truth, in all the time I was hanging around with her, I don’t think I ever thought of her sexually at all. At 11, she was just a little girl to me, and she wasn’t really a sexual object at all. I have no idea what her feelings were towards me at age 11 since I don’t understand female sexual development. She liked me a lot though. I just called her my “little buddy.”

At some point, it started raining all the time. I was supposed to go around picking up papers in the yard even when it was raining, and I said screw this, I ain’t doing it. So I would go in the office and sit there as long as it was raining. I did all the other parts of my job that did not involve walking around in the rain and getting rained on. It’s true I was sitting on my ass to an extent because I didn’t feel like getting rained on! Well my boss was an idiot, and he hated me like so many guys do. At that age, most middle age men totally hated me for some reason. He started getting really mad at me for not walking around in the rain picking up papers, and he engineered my getting fired.

It was later that summer, and I was jogging in the park and I saw my little friend. Now she was 12 going on 30 and starting to go through puberty. She told me she was a straight A student and track star. Then she said, “Ive been thinking about sex a lot lately.”

Me: “Ugh. Yeah?” Not knowing what to say.

Her: “I’ve been thinking I want to do it.”

Me: “Ugh, um ok…”

Her: “And I want to do it with you!”

I laughed nervously and I am not sure what I said, but at some point, I believe I said I didn’t think that would be a very good idea! Even in the 1970′s, a 20 year old guy and a 12 year old girl might very well get the law involved. Anyway, I wasn’t really into 12 year old girls at that time!

I did think about it a lot though, and I often wondered what it would have been like to do it with her if I could have gotten away with it. I even tried to have a fantasy of having sex with her in various ways, just because I’m a pervert, but the fantasy never really works right. She’s always too little or too young or too small or something. It just feels weird and bizarre, and it’s not even very sexy.

You get girls the same way you get a woman if you ask me. By being a stud, by being very friendly to girls, by approaching them and being open to them, by being nice to them, by being relaxed and calm around them.

At age 31, I would not advise him to not get involved with girls age 12-16. You can get arrested, and if you do, you are probably going down pretty hard. They will probably charge you with child molesting, not statutory rape. And doing 12-13 year old girls at his age is pretty questionable anyway. 12 year old girls are definitely within the realm of what people start calling pedophile, so if you get caught, you will get that label too. You will have to register for the sex offender list for the rest of your life. Whether or not you get beat up in jail, I have no idea. I’m a lot more comfortable with him being with the 14-16 yr olds than the 12-13 yr olds, but even the former is illegal.

I don’t much care if guys do this stuff, but to me, it’s just not worth it as it’s way too illegal.

When a Man Wants a Woman, Not a Girl

Hussyfan writes:

Many men desire to boff a Lolita and would do a murder to bed one (litterally). There is a lot of demand for this, and some offer to accommodate that demand (child prostitution).

What he means is teenage girl prostitution, not the actual prostitution of girls 12-under. I agree that the two things are completely different.

I had sex with so many teenage girls between when I was aged 16-21 that I really don’t have any need to do sort of thing anymore, and it’s illegal anyway. It’s a been there, done that kinda thing.

How Did God’s Gift to Man Ever Get So Silly?

What was odd was that at the time I thought teenage girls were God’s gift to mankind (they did not seem the slightest bit immature to me in general), but as I get older and older, they seem more and more ridiculous, immature and utterly idiotic to me, and it’s an extreme turnoff. I am not sure I would do a 14-17 year old girl even if it was legal!

Even when I look at them, which I admit that I do, I am often thinking about the teenage girls I knew back in the day who were my friends and girlfriends. So even though it looks like I am checking them out, I am actually reminiscing about the old days rather than having lurid fantasies about some 2013 hottie. Sometimes the girl I am looking at even reminds me of a particular girl. My memories are wonderful, but I don’t wish to relive them.

Memories of Underdevelopment

13 year old’s really do look like little girls – especially those baby faces – and that’s an extreme turnoff. 14 year old girls are very interesting creatures, and they are starting to get a woman’s body, so any man wants to look at them more.

But in recent years, I have started to dislike underdeveloped teenage girls. A 14 year old girl’s body doesn’t look that great because it is not well developed yet. Their bodies still look sort of like sticks, and they are just not fully developed. Even a 15 year old girl does not yet have the full hourglass woman figure that a man loves, so even they sort of turn me off lately as underdeveloped. I like a girl best when she is fully developed with a full woman’s body, which appears probably around age 16 or so. 16-17 year old girls look as great as any grown woman.

Don’t Call Us Kids

I always hated calling teenagers “kids,” because it seemed to be such an insult to someone who is honestly neither a kid nor an adult. I hated it when I was a teenager and people called me a kid. I yelled at them, “I am not a child!” “Young man” and “young woman” seems so much more respectful. But every year as I get older, teenagers of both sexes seem more and like the “kids” that everyone calls them. It disturbs me to think of them this way because it seems insulting, but that’s how they seem as I grow older.

College Girls Really Are Girls

In the last five years or so, I have even increasingly found young women aged say 18-23 to be increasingly insipid, ridiculous, empty headed, immature, and idiotic. They literally seem like they have nothing in the brains, and their emotions seem vapid and poorly attuned. Although they are beautiful of course, and I love to look at them, almost all of them want nothing to do with me, and I am quite aware of that. I would not object to sex with one, but it’s not something that I honestly even care about at my age.

It’s gotten so bad that I even find some women in their late 20′s to be ridiculous, overemotional, immature and empty headed. I was involved with a 27 year old at one point in recent years (she was even talking about marrying me), and I started thinking she was a silly young woman. I liked her a lot, so it pained me to think of her that way, but that’s how it went. It’s amazing that women continue to mature emotionally even past the late 20′s!

Respect for the Older Woman

So yeah, I have a new respect for older women. Women age a lot worse than men physically. God is obviously a sexist male pig as far as most women are concerned, and he’s probably a misogynist too. A lot of women my age don’t look that great anymore, but some still do. Nevertheless, one has to be realistic. I do judge women on looks, but fair is fair. I judge a 45 year old woman based on 1-10 for other 45 year old women. You judge a 55 year old woman 1-10 compared to other 55 year olds.

I know a woman in her 60′s. I have known her well from age 62-66. From 62-65, she looked knock out, drop dead gorgeous. And I told her this on a regular basis. She always corrected me by saying, “But Bob, you’re crazy! I’m an old lady!” Yeah, a hot old lady! Recently she has been battling a very serious illness, and sadly she is at last starting to look her age. I would say for a 65-66 year old though, she looks damn good.

If you have a brain at all, you want someone you can talk to. You can’t have sex all day anyway, and at my age, a lot of people aren’t even doing it anymore. I have a very high IQ, and I like intelligent conversation. Teenage girls are disaster zones as far as that goes, and young women are not much better. I have befriended some college girls in recent years (platonic friendships), and I even found the extremely bright ones to be vapid, ridiculous, child-like and preposterous. Extreme turnoff. You’re much more likely to have an intelligent conversation with a woman late 20′s-up.

A Porn Revelation

The other day I was downloading porn. Yeah I still do that. I had a ton of movies on my drive over a few hours. I was literally going nuts, out of control, addicted. Then I sat back and realized what the Hell I had been doing. Most of the movies involved older women aged 40-60. True they were with younger partners (that’s all you need to know), but they were older for sure. And the older they were, the more I was into the movie! The ones where there were late 40′s into 50′s were hottest of all.

I lay back in my chair and blinked my eyes hard. My God, I had been searching older women porn for hours! What in the Hell had come over me? My jaw dropped. I was officially an old man now.

A Man Wants a Woman, Not a Girl

I am a dirty old man, and of course I have a taste for young women. But there comes a time in his life when a man wants a woman, not a girl. Grown women act way too much like empty-headed, idiotic, overemotional, immature teenage girls as it is. Why on Earth would you want the real thing, which is obviously orders of magnitude worse?

Pedophilia Versus POCD Redux

Anonymous wrote:

I’ve had pure O my whole life. As a child it was both religion and contamination related. As I got older it turned into health and contamination related. (I became an atheist and stopped caring about intrusive anti-religious thoughts.)

But here’s where it gets a little tricky. When I was 10 years old and just discovering my sexuality, I noticed that I especially had a fondness for girls who were 5-7 years old. I knew this was much different than others my age, and felt quite guilty about it. I was also attracted to 10 year olds, however.

As I got older, every time I saw a cute little girl, I would avert my eyes and repeat to myself in my mind “I’m not a pedophile, I’m NOT a pedophile.” It felt very much like the intrusive thoughts from my OCD and happened constantly. This continued until around 16 years old.

At this point, I became interested in anime and the primary school aged characters in these shows. I talked to others who were interested in animated little girl characters also. At this point, I was still having intrusive thoughts, but being interested in the fictional characters didn’t bother me at all.

And then, in the same places where I was discussing these fictional characters, people would also often post pictures of elementary school girl models and actresses. I began masturbating to these photographs, but every time I would feel immensely guilty and hate myself for it.

Awhile later, I met a 6 year old girl. She began visiting us often. I just fell in love. In no other time in my life had I felt this way before. She was a joy to be around and extremely beautiful. We became very close, and I cared for her more than anything. After meeting her, all intrusive thoughts stopped and I accepted my attraction as normal for me.

I’m now in the my early 20s, and have very little interest in women. The pedophilic intrusive thoughts are no longer there, only the ones based on health worries and contamination remain.

I do have sexual thoughts about young girls, but I see them as normal for me now. Although when I see a cute girl that I’m interested in, it’s closer to crushing than lust. “Oh wow, she’s so beautiful.” The girls that I tend to like are between the ages of 5 and 11. They are just so cute.

Now, based on this information, do you think I have a pedophilic orientation? Or do you think it’s possible that I had POCD and just gave up fighting it?

A few things to consider: I would never touch a girl, I know it’s wrong.

It also has nothing to do with being dominant. I actually find the idea of dominating a young girl extremely disgusting.

It also is not only physical, I am extremely attracted to the personalities of very young girls, and just hanging out and playing games with them have been the best experiences I’ve ever had in my life.

This is a fascinating post. It shows that someone can have both OCD and pedophilia, so the notion that OCD’ers are too good or too moral to develop pedophilia is not correct.

Pedophilia in my opinion is simply a sexual orientation like homosexuality, bisexuality or heterosexuality. It can’t be much changed like any of those. There are countless gay and bisexual OCD’ers. I know because I have talked to many of them. Surely there must be some OCD’ers with a pedophilic orientation.

It’s probably better for a pedophile to have OCD than to not have it. The OCD pedophile will be a lot less likely to act on his urges due to his extreme morality, guilt and conscientiousness. The OCD will act as an inhibitor towards acting on the pedophilia.

I am absolutely certain that he has pedophilia. There’s no way that he could possibly have POCD and just gave up fighting it. Though it shows that there are some similarities between POCD and true pedophilia, and this shows how differential dx is so difficult with these cases.

I am actually sorry to hear that he has no attraction to adult females, but perhaps this is his normal orientation. I wish he had an adult attraction so he could live and love happily and legally in our society. As is, his sex life may well be barren or solitary and his love life may be thwarted.

However, many pedophiles are absolutely happy with their orientation and love being this way. He seems like he is too. I am very glad to see that he is happy with his orientation and his sexual and love desires. I love to see people who are happy. I agree that him that he should not act on this orientation as it’s illegal.

If he ever wants to have a real sex life with a female or really fall legally in love with a female, he will need to expand his love map to include adults, though most pedophiles have no interest in doing this. In fact, many to most pedophiles say that even if there was a cure for pedophilia, they would not take the cure.

I also love females of all ages. I love females period. Little girls are wonderful in a special way as a special kind of female, though I see them as seeds of women rather than fully formed entities and I see women as the fully town product rather than girls that moved on.

But there’s a girl inside every woman, and a budding woman inside every girl. If you love females, you learn to love the sprouted seed of girl in the woman and the sprouting woman in the girl. In a way, they are one and the same – females at different stages.

I actually like teenage girls a lot more than little girls. Little girls seem ridiculous to me, and there’s little sexual attraction there. I had a world full of good and great times with teenage girls, often sexual, when I was young, and I think about those wonderful days all the time. When I see teenage girls, I reminisce. About the teenage girls that I knew and loved, who will live forever in my heart.

Though when I do meet a teenage girl nowadays, they seem silly to me, and I can’t see getting involved with them. I would not do it even if it was legal. But the teenage girl is definitely a special type of female – not a girl and not a woman. Not better than a woman or a girl but only different.

I probably like adult females 18+ best of all, since they are legal. I like teenage girls who are fully developed, around age 16-17 because to me that’s just a woman. But their immaturity is a massive turnoff. Even young women of college age often turn me off now because they seem to immature and silly.

A fully formed and mature woman is not only maximally attractive to me (all females age 16+ are maximally attractive to me) but her mind is also fully matured, and that is a massive turn-on to me as I get older. Sex and love is more than just a hot body you know. And the fully formed and fully matured woman has a joyous wonder and glory about her that is equal to if not superior to that the teenage girl and the girl. All the female maturational types are wonderful in their own special ways.

Evolutionary Reasons for Male Attraction to Teenage Girls

George writes:

It’s 20,000 BC. You’re living in a small foraging society and need to secure a wife that will give you as many offspring as possible and ensure your genes will pass down the generations.

So what age of bride do you go for?

It’s simple. The best bride material will be girls approaching their first pregnancy since they would have all of their breeding years ahead of them and the time you’d have to wait before she’d start giving you any offspring would be at a minimum.

So what was the typical age of a girls first pregnancy in prehistoric times?

Using modern day foraging societies as a guide, it was probably about 17. This means that girls in the 12 to 16 bracket would have generally made the best bride material.

Now go take at look at what porn groups get the most traffic: Jailbait, schoolgirls, Lolitas…

Girls between about 12 and 16, in other words…

I have checked out some of the Reddit groups like Jailbait and whatever and I also checked out the Jailbait site where you get to vote on how old they are and read the comments below. On both sites, the girls are clothed, so there’s no violation of “child porn” laws.

On the Reddit site, I kept thinking, “Why would anyone want to look at this stuff anyway?” On the Jailbait site, it was interesting because you get to vote on their ages, but I also thought, “What’s the big fascination with this site anyway? Why are these girls so special? Who cares about them?” I didn’t always feel this way, so I guess I must be getting old.

There are probably evolutionary reasons for this. Gary is right. On the other hand, as we age, most men grow out of our attraction to teenage girls, even though it is quite normal.

At my age, a 12 year old girl just looks way too young. Is she attractive? Maybe a little bit. But also very underdeveloped and way, way, way too young.

13? Most 13 year old girls also look way too young, and most of them don’t even look that great – way too young and underdeveloped. It’s true that some look excellent, but even with those, you think, “Way too young.”

14 year old girls look a lot better, but even they are rather flat in their bodies, and they also look very young. These are the ones that you try pretty hard not to look at. I find myself looking at them sometimes and remembering back to when I was that age, and some of the 14 year old girls I used to hang around with, be friends with, and even date and sleep with.

When I look at them, I am often just reminiscing about the old days. But you have to be very careful about looking at girls of that age, because at my age, people will see you doing that and get mad at you.

Now 15 year old girls are excellent, it is true. In many primitive societies even today, a 15 year old girl can marry a man of any age. That’s right and proper of course, but a 15 year old girl is awfully immature. Nevertheless, they can be a lot of fun if you are young, and to a young man, they can seem pretty mature.

There were some 15 year old girls around here who looked pretty great. By then, their bodies are getting pretty developed. On the other hand, their bodies are still not totally mature, and their minds often seem extremely silly, girly and immature.

16 year old girls are the cream of the crop, because at this age, their bodies are often fully mature. I don’t know any girls that age around here, so I am not sure what to think of them at my age.

But one came to visit some relatives a while back, a friend of my niece, and she looked fantastic! She also had an interesting mind. Of course 16 year old girls can be a blast for young men because they look great and are often quite mature. I suspect at my age though, I might find them silly and immature. After all, at my age, I even find college girls silly and immature!

All in all, what Gary said is true, but this sort of thing tends to weaken as one ages. It almost seems that with each passing year, the girls look younger and younger and less and less desirable in that way. In Western society, we men are not just prey to our genes but also to our societies.

Our minds are molded by society, its rules and its laws. Teenage girl means “illegal.” In some way, that effects their desirability. You are at least less likely to look at them due to legal and societal factors. Even if they look good, you think, “way too young.” The idea that they are too young is probably an idea implanted in you by society, but nevertheless, society and laws shape your brain the same way your genes do. Humans are more than instinct-driven animals.

In Praise of 12-14 Year Old Girls (Pedophile Mass Hysteria)

There is something particularly delightful about a girl about 12-14 yrs old. This seems to be the age when a female is the happiest that she will ever be in her whole life.

I love to watch them sometimes (if I can get away with it), just because it’s so delightful to see them so happy, playful and joyful. They are smiling, laughing and playing all the time.

Sexually, they are somewhat interesting to look at, but not exactly the best item on the menu. If you look at them sexually, they seem “way too young,” or like “little girls,” “girls,” or even “kids.” They’re also pretty underdeveloped. All that’s a turnoff.

Up to my late 20′s and early 30′s, 13 and 14 yr old girls still looked really good. Remember I used to teach school, so I dealt with them all the time. But as I get older and older, they just look younger and younger and less and less attractive sexually. Even 15-17 yr old girls look “way too young” or like “kids” to me now. Lately I even find college aged women to be annoying, idiotic and insipid. They sound like silly, immature “Valley girls.”

This has happened only in the last few years. As you get older, the young people look younger and younger with each passing year.

To an older guy, it’s not just the looks that’s important. We want a certain amount of maturity. “Mature” women are ridiculous, silly, kooky and emotionally nightmarish enough as it is. Still, a female does mature as she ages, believe it or not.

You want a teeny-bopper in your bed? God help me! I want a woman not a girl!

But it’s great to watch these 12-14 yr old girls just enjoying life to the max. At this age, they are starting to play with and hang around boys too, but it looks more like play than anything else. I have seen them walking up and down the street with what looks like a younger brother. They play on the playground here with boys their age. I don’t see a lot of sexual stuff going with boys at this age. Instead, they just seem to be hanging out with and playing with boys in some non-sexual way.

Younger girls (under age 12), or what we think of as “little girls,” often look miserable, unhappy, serious or pouting. As girls get older (past 14), they get a lot more serious.

In some ways, age 12-14 seems like the pinnacle of a female’s life. At least to me it is, from an observer’s POV.

Let’s hear it for fun! Sheer, pure fun!

Little Girls, Lolitas, Teenyboppers and Grown Women

Steve writes:

I totally relate to what you said about what you find attractive and it doesn’t sound dodgy to me; quite the opposite. We’re just not used to someone being this honest and reasonable on this topic.

The way i usually think about it is that I’m wired to find sexually mature woman attractive. i definitely don’t want to have sex with children. But if there is a biologically/sexually mature 15 year old, then my brain isn’t going to give a shit she’s slightly underage; its just a natural response to the correct stimuli. I wouldn’t touch her though because its socially unacceptable and illegal and in most cases she would look somehow a bit too young anyway.

Well, the schools around here get out in the afternoon. Hell with the elementary schools, those are little girls. I don’t thaaaank so! That’s just so ridiculous, it’s absurd.

Then the junior high gets out too. They walk right down my street when school lets out because the school is right around the corner. Those are sort of “little girls” too, but some of them are getting bodies on them. Let’s call them the “Lolitas.” I’m not really into Lolitas, but some of them are starting to get some interesting bodies. I try really hard not to look at them, but once they start developing, it’s a bit difficult not to. But you know that mentally, they are probably extremely ridiculous and child-like, so forget it.

Then there is the high school. I like to drive by there in the afternoons a lot of the time. Great scenery! I try to do it really deviously so they don’t think I am looking at them, but that’s what sunglasses are for. Those are 14-18 or so, and many of them look quite fine. Once they get to be about 16 or so, they have a fully developed woman’s body on them, and that looks like prime rib. Oh yeah!

But then you look again at the face and they way they are acting, and you know it’s  just a silly, idiotic teenybopper. They were fun back in the day, but I don’t think I could do it with a high school girl nowadays even if it was legal. It would almost feel “pedo.”

Grown women are silly, nutty and idiotic enough as it is, imagine what a relationship with an immature teenybopper would be like?

As I get older and older, the teenyboppers look less and less good to me. Sure, physically, it is all there, but they seem too immature, mentally. Even though I’m a guy, physical attraction isn’t everything. Not anymore anyway. I like a female with a mature body and hopefully a mature mind too. Or at least as mature as a female gets.

I am even starting to find a lot of college girls really silly, immature and idiotic. They talk and act like airhead Valley Girls. Ridiculous. Sure, they look fantastic, but so what? I deal with enough idiots as it is. I am not sure I want one in my bed with me.

Annoying Teenage Girls

Repost from the old site. Annoying teenage girls is illegal. Wait a minute. Let’s think this out first. We’d have to put almost all the little hotties in prison then, right? Since they’re all annoying?

I’m normally sympathetic to the teenage girls in these kinds of cases, but something about this stuff makes me worry. What exactly is it that men are not supposed to do in these cases? What exactly did this guy do wrong? Following them? Ok, that’s pretty damn weird. Stopping ahead of them several times? That’s strange.

Leering at them as they walked by? Shit. That’s a crime? I check out teenage girls myself if they’re hot enough, and teenage girls look at me too. For some reason, Felony Leering Molestation creeps me out a lot more than this guy’s behavior.

But this guy’s basically acting like a stalker.

Here’s another one. This guy pulled over to talk to some teenage girls walking home from school. I wonder what he said?

Then they found porn in his vehicle! Oh no! What a sick fuck! Only sick pedophiles read porn! The porn had “young adults”! Ew! Child molester! We know he’s a child molester because of the word “young.” Non-pedos only read MILF and old lady porn, that’s how we know they are non-pedos.

He also had pregnant porn in his car! Ew gross! Big fat gross pregnant chicks getting laid! What a creep! Only a sick creep would have sex with a pregnant chick. Normal guys won’t even look at their wives until after they drop.

They arrested him for felony talking molestation.

Ok, so if talk to an underage girl, am I annoying her? Can I go down on Felony Annoying Molesting, whatever the Hell that is? Do any of you all find this stuff worrying? How does one even know when one is breaking the law anyway? I talk to kids sometimes. What the heck? Am I breaking the law or what?

I’m wondering if it is a crime to “annoy” adult females in this way? At what point are we annoying an adult female anyway? What the Hell? I don’t know about these laws. They give me a bad feeling.

Here’s a coach. I think what he did was pretty cool. He tied up some teenage girls, then he put tape over their mouths. He didn’t have sex with them though, he just temporarily restrained their annoyingness with some binding and gagging objects. Dude! You’re awesome. You got a defense fund?

I like this guy too. He’s a male witch, a warlock. How evil can you get? And he enslaved teenage girls! How did he do it. Mind control, baby, mind control. He swung a watch in front of them til they turned into kinky teenslut Stepford Teen automatons! He turned them into “sex slaves.” Yo! All women should be like this! Specifically, he used “hypnotism and mind-altering techniques to entice two 15-year-old girls into prostitution, sado-masochism and black magic.” Yo!

This is too funny:

The self-proclaimed warlock enslaved two troubled 15-year-old girls who came to him for counseling and used black magic and mumbo jumbo to entice them into prostitution and sadomasochism.The girls were fed illegal drugs and Fletcher used mind altering techniques and hypnotism to dupe them into believing kinky sexual acts – in which they were tied up and whipped – were pagan rites.

He also advertised one of the girls on the Internet as a submissive teen schoolgirl…bruisable and will take belt and paddle…wears dog collar and nipple clamps.”

The sorcerer’s evil spell was broken when he was jailed for ten years with a minimum of eight years.

No problem jailing the dude, but I think the girls should go to jail too – for aggravated felony stupidity. From the article: “He duped them into believing that kinky sexual acts were actually pagan rites.” LOL! Hey, are there any adult women this stupid? I want to get into this warlock thing; it sounds promising. Do they offer courses anywhere?

No wait. There’s a punch line:

Authorities are also trying to determine if the girls were forced or had consented to take part in the tie-ups.

Haha! Actually, they filled out job applications for the position, and there was a long waiting list, but these were the lucky girls who got chosen for the Bondage Model position.

On the other hand, these guys here, here, here, here, here, here and here are engaging in some pretty messed-up behavior.

Good legal case where a state Supreme Court ruled that “annoying” was so vague a crime that one could hardly figure out when one was breaking the law and when one was not:

On the other hand, conflicting Nevada case law suggests that this court will consider whether an enactment is facially void for vagueness, even if no First Amendment interests are implicated, when the challenged statute is so vague that it fails to give persons of ordinary intelligence fair notice of what conduct is permitted or forbidden.

For example, in Cunningham v. State, this court upheld a facial vagueness challenge to a statute under the Due Process Clause of the Nevada Constitution as appropriate, where the challenged statute prohibited “the doing of an act in terms so vague that people of common intelligence [were required to] necessarily guess as to its meaning” and where the statute was “so vague that it [did] not provide a constitutional basis for criminal prosecution.”

In Coates v. City of Cincinnati , the Supreme Court considered the use of the word “annoy” in an ordinance that made it unlawful for three or more people to assemble on a sidewalk and “conduct themselves in a manner annoying to persons passing by.” In holding that the ordinance was “unconstitutionally vague because it subjects the exercise of the right of assembly to an unascertainable standard,” the Court reasoned:

Conduct that annoys some people does not annoy others. Thus, the ordinance is vague, not in the sense that it requires a person to conform his conduct to an imprecise but comprehensible normative standard, but rather in the sense that no standard of conduct is specified at all. As a result, “men of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”

We conclude that the standard of conduct proscribed by NRS 207.260, namely, conduct which is “annoying,” does not provide fair notice because the citizens of Nevada must guess when conduct that bothers, disturbs, irritates or harasses a minor rises to the level of criminal conduct.

I agree with the majority that the conduct of “annoying a minor” is unconstitutionally vague. That charge is unconstitutional because it “fails to notify individuals what conduct is prohibited, and it encourages arbitrary and capricious enforcement by police.” If annoying a minor alone were unlawful, virtually every parent would at one time or another be a lawbreaker.

The bolded text is hilarious.

The case above is a pretty standard reiteration of how many US courts have thrown out statutes on “vagueness” grounds.

I do agree that annoying children (noun phrase) should be illegal, but I’m a bit worried about annoying children (verb phrase) being illegal.