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More on the Hank photos. There are some new photos of Hank out from the movie Shooting Bigfoot. These are all the same photo, but it has been manipulated in various ways, rendered into drawn art by artists, overlaid with other photos and compared with other photos.
In the photo below, it is true that the Tent Video Bigfoot does not resemble well the Bigfoots on either side of it. However, I think the Hank still from the movie compares well with the drawing of Hank on the far right.
Click to enlarge. Three images, Hank from Shooting Bigfoot, the Tent Video Bigfoot (Hank?) and an artist’s rendition of Hank as described by Musky Allen.
Check out the chiseled drawing below based on the Hank photo from Shooting Bigfoot.
Click to enlarge. Very nice artist’s rendition resembling a sculpture of Hank from Shooting Bigfoot. This drawing looks very much like a Neandertal!
Look at how closely the photo of Hank from the movie lines up with the drawing based on Musky’s observation, with the movie still used for the lower part of the face the drawing for the upper part of the face. The comparison is excellent and the two fit together quite well.
Click to enlarge. Overlay of the Hank photo from Shooting Bigfoot with the drawing of Hank based on Musky’s description.
Below is the Hank movie still fleshed out into a whole face using software. Look how much that looks like a Neandertal!
Click to enlarge. The Hank still from the movie fleshed out with software into a complete face.
Via Facebook Find Bigfoot, a photo of a possible Bigfoot sticking its face into a game cam in Minnesota from 2007. The comments below the photo mostly say it is some sort of a wild animal. Only a couple said it was a man.
That is not a wild animal. It is either a man, a Homo sapiens sapiens, or it is a Bigfoot. For some reason, I think this might be a Bigfoot. Look how much it resembles a Neandertal, the Musky Allen sketch, the video still of Hank and even the other game cam shot of a Bigfoot licking the game cam from the Olympic Project. One comment said this photos resembles Homo Heidelbergensis. That is a possibility.
A photo of a possible Bigfoot from a game cam in Minnesota in 2007.
Double rows of teeth observable in Hank movie still? In the Hank still from Shooting Bigfoot, the jaw has an odd appearance, almost as if the Bigfoot is chewing tobacco. A commenter suggests that what we may be seeing here is the double rows of molars that Dyer says Hank has. It is certainly possible.
I Chew Tobacco, Levi Garrett, and the first thing I noticed about the Hank Photo was that He Looked Like He had a Side Chew on Both Sides……THEN IT HIT ME!! The Double Rows of Teeth That Dyer mentioned from the Canines to the back of the mouth……
Why the funny appearance of the Shooting Bigfoot Hank still? From the comments:
Here’s a thought:
Why is it so grainy? Answer: It’s night vision, so it’s grainy no matter the pixel count.
Why is it so blurry even at 4-6ft? Answer: Subject is moving in faster than auto-focus can handle.
The paradox: if it was “clear” footage in night vision, then the people that know the answer to the above questions would claim CGI because it’s supposed to be grainy.
Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t.
Face it. Everything that has been stated so far is coming to fruition as truth. Everything leading up to now, except the length of footage, has been discovered as truth.
Reiterating again: if the Tent Video would have never been leaked, then know one would know of “Hank.” Everyone would be surprised in August by a news release with science and a body with Rick standing over it saying, “Everyone who doubted me can suck it” (which would end up being “bleeped” out because he would actually say that on national news).
People should be thanking Rick for delivery of product.
Moneyfaker takes your money and shows you whooping and hollering without delivery of product.
So, who’s the real hoaxer here? Moneyfaker takes money from millions of viewers through TV and delivers no product, or Rick who doesn’t demand money from anyone and still delivers product? He delivered product to you even surrounded by hate. Alas, you still try to poop on him. I just don’t get it. So engulfed with disbelief that it’s Rick that you are looking right past it…Delivery of Product…
A very nice technical explanation for why the Shooting Bigfoot still looks the way it does.
Do the Tent Video and Shooting Bigfoot stills portray two different Bigfoots? Commenters are suggesting that there the discrepancy between the appearance of the Tent Video Bigfoot and the Shooting Bigfoot Still Bigfoot may be resolved if we posit that they are two separate creatures altogether. This makes sense because according to JR Dobbs’ interviews with the homeless in the area, there is apparently another Bigfoot that is still in the area, even after the purported killing of Hank.
This also helps explain why Hank would be so stupid as to come back and grab more ribs that night after a man with a gun had nearly killed him that morning. We can resolve this by saying that Bigfoot A was scared off by Rick’s gun in the morning and Bigfoot B, who knew nothing about Rick’s threatening behavior with the gun vis a vis Bigfoot A, came around in the night not knowing any better and was killed for his ignorance. From the comments:
I also agree that although this picture looks like the same basic facial structure of the BF on the Tent Video, it seems to be a different creature. This lends credibility to Dyer’s story because not only would he have to have one mask; instead he would have to have two separate masks altogether. The homeless people have indicated that there is still a Bigfoot out there, and that could be the one on the Tent Video or another one altogether. I had never heard that someone from the BBC said it was all factual,so that’s a plus too.
Some good arguments why Shooting Bigfoot could not be a hoax. From the comments section:
I tend to maintain the idea that this is not a hoax. There are five main compelling arguments to support my opinion and the reasoning for my beliefs.
- Morgan Matthews changed the title from Of Monsters and Men to Shooting Bigfoot while the film was still in production. One can only assume that this was not by coincidence.
- Rick Dyer has continued to describe the same EXACT story for months now and has not diverged from the original story once.
- The ending of the film does not line up with the order that Rick describes the events to have happened. This may be due to clever editing by Morgan to stick to his original theme of the documentary, which was essentially to mock those who look for Bigfoot.
- Minnow Films may be using the Shooting Bigfoot documentary as a set-up for an additional film that will reveal any information or footage that may have been withheld. This is the best way to maximize the production dollar to profit ratio.
- Morgan Matthew would not put his reputation of an unblemished 20-year career on the line by being involved in a hoax. Although it is possible that Rick hoaxed the Minnow Films crew, Morgan Matthews would not include it in film, as it is possible he could be accused of being involved in the hoax.
Three explanations for Morgan Matthews’ baffling behavior.
From the comments section:
Either Morgan Matthews is part of a Hoax, has filmed the best hoax of all time or he has signed the queen mother of all NDA’s.
This is an excellent point. It may all be down to the NDA’s that Matthews had to sign with Rick and his investors. What if those NDA’s say that Morgan may not under any circumstances say that there was a real Bigfoot in the film?
The Man Who Cried Bigfoot video. Via JR Dobbs, we have the 9th in a sequence of videos from the homeless people who live around the area where Dyer purportedly shot Hank. This 9th video is devastating to Rick’s case. The homeless man, Jeff, pretty much says that Rick hoaxed the whole thing.
Jeff said that he was paid to stand on a hill above the shooting scene at night and was given a radio to keep in contact with the crew below. His job was to keep people away from the site while shooting was going on. Jeff says there were many shots fired and what seemed to be repeated takes of the shooting scene. He also said that some live shots were fired, but many blanks were also fired, all by Rick.
Jeff now says that there may well be a Bigfoot in the area: “There is definitely something out here.” He also says that Rick Dyer slit his dog’s throat. Jeff took the dog to the vet’s, and the vet said that the dog’s throat had been cut by a knife or some sort of a blade.
Jeff says he took a photo with Dyer the morning after the shooting of Hank, and he never saw any Bigfoot body. He says he saw Morgan Matthews walk away from the site the morning after the shooting, and Morgan appeared to be hale and hearty, carting an 80 pound camera like it was nothing. Jeff says the whole crew, including Rick, left that morning and has never been seen again.
Jeff appears somewhat spacy and he may be a heavy or regular drug user. It is said that most of the homeless people in that area are meth users, and that many of them steal to survive or to get money to buy dope. They leave the area at night to go steal to get dope money and come back in the daytime with dope and get high.
Unfortunately, Jeff has completely changed his story compared to the initial story he gave to JR Dobbs, and hence, he is not very credible.
Rick Dyer’s response to JR Dobbs 9th video above. If you can stand to listen to Rick Dyer talk on video for a few minutes, then you will be able to listen to Dyer’s rejoinders to all of the charges made by the man in the video above.
Jeff says there were many shots, including blanks. In his initial video, Jeff said there were only two shots. Now there are many.
Blanks were fired. Jeff produces a 30.06 shell, but produces no blanks.
Jeff says he was given a radio and put on a hill while multiple rehearsals of the shooting scene were shot. Rick said that instead, efforts were made to keep Jeff away from the scene in the period after Hank was killed.
Dyer slit my dog’s throat. Dyer says that the dog was killed by pulling too hard on too tight of a leash. Instead of killing the dog, Dyer says he tended to its wounds. Dyer says he would never hurt any animal, but this is not true, as he has already killed one Bigfoot.
Shot taken with Jeff and Dyer the next morning. Not true, Dyer says the photo of Jeff and Dyer was taken the night before. Jeff is not usually around in the daytime.
Jeff says there may well be a Bigfoot in the area. In his first video, Jeff said there was no Bigfoot in the area.
Jeff says he is the only homeless person living in that area. Rick says that there are actually a number of homeless folks living in that area, and Rick gave some of them jobs so they could leave, move into shelter, and live more normal lives, leaving the homeless life behind.
Bottom line is Jeff does not appear to be very credible. He is a marginal homeless fellow who seems a bit shady and dangerous. Who knows what kind of life he lives? He may well be a heavy or regular drug user, possibly of methamphetamine. He has changed his story in quite a few ways, and Rick has contradicted most of his testimony. At the end of the day, JR Dobbs’ 9th video is not particularly credible.
Did Rick Dyer make a $200,000 surrogate human? Via Tim Fasano’s site, Tim runs through the possibilities surrounding Musky Allen’s testimony.
Tim says there are three possibilities:
- Musky saw a Bigfoot.
- Musky is lying.
- Musky got fooled by an excellent Bigfoot replica.
Fasano dismisses (2) as not credible and I agree with him. I do not think that Fasano is lying. And I do agree that Musky saw either an excellent replica or a real Bigfoot. One wonders why Rick would have gone through the trouble to pay $200,000 for a fancy fake human with no guarantee of any returns on the investment.
It also seems dubious that the US government facility housing Hank would allow their place to be used to house a fake Bigfoot. And it seems dubious that the medical model company would have the expertise to construct a fake Bigfoot, even on order. They make fake Homo sapiens sapiens, not fake Bigfoots. Bigfoots are not H.s.s.; they are something else entirely.
From the comments section, an excellent rejoinder to the medical company body theory:
I read the post on the blog about Rick Dyer having a fake body made from some company that makes medical dummies and I have to ask “Why?”
There are only two reasons to pull a hoax
- A practical joke
- A con that nets you money
The first makes no sense. Neither does the second to anyone that can think a little. Think about it.
To provide a manufactured product, Rick Dyer has to pay $200,0000 have the Bigfoot-medical dummy that would fool a vet doing an autopsy for only about 10 minutes. He then has to gain access to a facility, either a real one or a very elaborate hoaxed site that has apparently dozens of people pretending to work there so that Musky Allen thinks it is a real place. He has to pay those people, and he has to pay rent on the location.
All this is possible, but tell me, How does he make money at this? Where is the pay off? It would take a lot of $29.99 monthly subscriptions to cover that cost, much less make a profit. If Rick Dyer is smart enough to design and set up a hoax like that, then he is smart enough to know this wouldn’t work. This is not taking people into the woods and having your redneck brother-in-law dress up in a ghillie suit and run past the groups yelling “I’m a Bigfoot, Look out I’m gonna eat you!”
I don’t know what is going on, but the “manufactured body” theory is just the stuff of idiot who have watched to many Matrix movies.
Theory on how Morgan Matthews may be cutting the footage into two separate films to maximize returns. From the comments:
Here is what happened (maybe):
Mr. Mathews produced a film about Bigfoot hunters in the vein of Trekkies – a group character study about a selection of the odd and obsessed. This was all the film was ever supposed to be. And then San Antonio happened – my guess is it was pretty deep into the production calendar – and the fun film he had about some kooks became something altogether different – and the footage, the first ever A#1, landmark, groundbreaking footage of a Bigfoot, now he has that. And that, friends, is found gold.
So, do you put rarest of rare footage into the tail-end of the semi-serious character study, with the modest budget and modest marketing plan? No, that would be a terrible idea. Why? Because you have another, much more serious, and cash-worthy film on your hands. And there is NO WAY, let me repeat, NO WAY you put the money footage in the first film.
Because, let’s be honest, Mr. Mathews is a professional, and that means he wants and deserves to be paid for his work. If anyone thinks that the pics and footage are going to be released without some form of payment, they are delusional. The second film (Bigfoot shot?), which is already in the works and has been, no doubt, pre-sold to a major distributor, will have what you desire – just make sure you have your credit card ready.
The opportunity to turn two films, one with better backing based on groundbreaking footage, and one that was already in the can and of a completely different tone, is absolutely the road to take if you want to maximize your production dollar to profit ratio. The payoff is still there, just delayed. Plus, two films.
I’m not saying that’s what happened. As usual, there isn’t enough evidence to make any conclusive judgement. I’m saying it is the route to take if you had that footage (both sets) and were a filmmaker. The film ends with a cliffhanger, yes?
It is improbable, but possible: a theory based on film strategy.
Frankly, I hope it is not the case, and the beast remains unproven.
New information purportedly from Minnow Films sources lends support to hoax theory. I recently contacted a new source who tells me that they have film industry connections via family. A family member of theirs knows two people at Minnow who worked on the film and they asked the Minnow workers about the film. What the Minnow employees reported, if true, is devastating to Rick Dyer’s story and implies that he is hoaxing the killing of a Bigfoot. Here is the testimony:
I have some info for you. I spoke to my Uncle X last night for about 45 minutes regarding the Minnow Films and the rumors about the Sasquatch. He was able to speak with two different people that were heavily involved with the film over the past few years.
It’s interesting to note that they had an enormous amount of footage, as Morgan Matthews (director of Shooting Bigfoot) likes to leave his options open when “assembling” a documentary. X gave me some names but asked me to not use his name or theirs. However, it would not take very long for you to figure out who they are based on what I have told you (specific possibly identifying information deleted).
So, here is the info that we covered, and take it for what it’s worth. Considering X has never mentioned Bigfoot before, and this was the first time he’s even heard I was interested, I think it’s safe to assume that his info was unbiased.
X told me:
- There was an enormous amount of footage.
- Morgan did not see a dead Bigfoot nor was he party to anything regarding a Bigfoot body.
- There was a man at the camp site that Rick was familiar with and had met before on a prior expedition to San Antonio. This man was homeless and lived in the area. Morgan thought it strange that this man had been expecting their arrival and knew so much about what they were doing there. Over the course of the first couple of days, Rick spent a lot of time with this man privately and on several occasions, Rick and this man left the campsite together and were gone for long periods of time.
- Morgan DID NOT film any footage of what’s being called the Camper or Tent Video. Nobody on Morgan’s team saw any Bigfoot during day time hours.
- Rick was very familiar with the area they were in and mentioned that he had been there before.
- Morgan and his team did not enjoy Rick’s company, and Rick made them very nervous. One of the “logistics” people that acted as the go-between to help with travel and planning commented that Rick was “often manic and always appeared to be either very sad or jubilant.”
- Morgan was injured one night by what Rick claimed to be a Bigfoot. However, the “Bigfoot” was not very big, and the reason it was shown in black & white is because the color version made it look “hokey.”
-The Bigfoot was not shot or harmed by Rick. He did fire some shots in a different direction from the Bigfoot, and that’s what scared Morgan the most. Morgan thought Rick had gone insane and was killing random homeless people.
- The Bigfoot that knocked Morgan down was about 6 feet tall, maybe a tiny bit taller. Morgan was not expecting this to happen, and the only reason it did was because he was holding the camera. If it was a real Bigfoot, then he said, “There’s nothing to be scared of…LOL,” and that’s a direct quote.
That’s about all of the info I received, and although the source did not come out and say it was not a genuine Bigfoot, the description given was done with some humor and a few giggles. What was confirmed 100% was that there is no dead Bigfoot, no clear color footage and nobody came close to killing one either.
One more detail, Morgan HATED Dyer during the shooting and thought he was self- centered, insecure and a know-it-all. They did not get along at all, and Morgan also mentioned that Rick treated everybody in a rude and abrupt manner as if he had no social skills whatsoever. Even when the producers would contact Rick to get info on something, he acted as if he were doing them a favor and always felt the need to make ugly comments or offer unwanted critiques of Minnow, Morgan and the other parties that were in the film.
Anyhow, that’s all I have and X and his wife Aunt are going to some kind of industry reunion in a couple of weeks so he expects to hear more about this film, when he’s there.
Well, there you have it. If this information is true, it is devastating to us believers, and it is a shot in the arm for the deniers. The problem is that testimony conflicts with certain things, including my excellent source at Minnow who insisted to me that Rick’s story was true.
The part about Dyer’s a-holish personality and arrogant and clueless, narcissistic abuse of Matthews and the film crew certainly seems highly credible.
If this story is true, it means that Rick faked the several photos of the dead Bigfoot the next morning and the photo of the Bigfoot being loaded into the truck after it was shot. Either that or Musky is lying about the existence of the photos, and I doubt if he is. I also doubt that Rick is lying about the existence of these photos. Further, the creature in the movie does not appear to be man in a suit or a mask in any way, shape or form.
Rick Dyer’s personality. I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it is a topic of general interest. The one reviewer described Dallas and Wayne as “borderline retards” and Rick Dyer as an “a-hole.” That’s a pretty good summation. I rather like Dallas and Wayne, especially Wayne, but they don’t exactly come across like the sharpest tools in the shed. The description of Dyer as an “a-hole” is absolutely spot on, and sums him up better than most psychological diagnoses. This is simply how he comes across. When I watch his videos, he screams “a-hole” all the way through the video, from :01 all the way to the end.
A Canadian friend of mine said, “well, up here in Canada, we would call somebody like Dyer an idiot!” I asked him what he meant by that, and he said that in Canadian English, “idiot,” means something a bit different than it does here. He told me, “Well here in Canada, an ‘idiot’ means someone who causes so much trouble, so many problems and is such a pain in the a-, that you just need to stay away from them.” That’s an interesting description and seems to describe Dyer well. Here in California English, we would call someone like that something like a “total f-tard.”
Dyer also reminds me of some of the wild Christian fundamentalist preachers we used to have on early cable TV in Southern California about 30 years ago. One middle aged clown, Dr. Gene Scott, was a rather nice looking guy who often wore a cowboy hat. He changed outfits a lot and sometimes appeared drunk, stoned, medicated or tired. He rambled on narcissistically about everything under the sun.
He was a One-Man Show that never shut down. It was a One Man Ultimate Egotist Jerk-off Fest. We would watch the show, laugh at him and wonder why anyone would ever watch him. We often described him as “crazy,” and we wondered if maybe he had a mood disorder like manic-depression.
Another thing that I think when I watch Dyer is that this is a guy who is “totally unhinged.” He seems like someone who thinks with his mouth open and has no inhibitions whatsoever. Furthermore, he is always “on.” No matter what time of day it is or what day of the week it is, it’s always, “The Rick, Rick Show.”
Others have pointed out that unlike a pure sociopath, Rick does display a fairly wide range of emotions, and he does seem to have some decent and sensitive emotions. He has a positive side to his personality, and he has good traits that no pure sociopath would ever have.
He’s a complicated fellow!