Derek Medina Kills Wife, Posts Photo of Her Dead Body on Facebook

In an incredible story, a Florida man, Derek Medina, murdered his wife, took a picture of her dead body and then posted the photo on his Facebook page (photo of Jennifer Alfonso here) under a Status Update confessing to the murder.

Here is his confession:

I’m going to prison or death sentence for killing my wife love you guys miss you guys take care Facebook people you will see me in the news. my wife was punching me and I am not going to stand anymore with the abuse so I did what I did I hope you understand me.

After he did that, he drove to the nearest police station and turned himself in. The photo got posted around the Internet before it was removed from Facebook, but the photos are rapidly disappearing and even earlier this afternoon, August 8, 2013, they were very hard to find. Apparently people are receiving orders to take down the photos.

Undated photo of Derek Medina from Facebook. The couple were married last year.

Undated photo of Derek Medina from Facebook. The couple were married last year.

The woman’s name is Jennifer Alfonso. That came out earlier, but it has subsequently been removed from most stories about the killing.

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146 responses to “Derek Medina Kills Wife, Posts Photo of Her Dead Body on Facebook

  1. Those are some fucked up clothes to die in.

    • nominay

      THAT is the blackest of black humor.

    • Mott

      For clarification, Medina did update his Facebook status to “single,” correct?

    • She’s not dead. She is just doing some yoga.

      • nominay

        Boy, you guys are some sick bastards. I bet you all wouldn’t be cracking one-liners like this if she were your sister.

        • Yah, but you know what? Throughout history, people have died.

        • nominay

          Yeah, and people have always been pricks about it.

        • I know! Isn’t it just scandalous?

          Either way. Oprah wasn’t allowed to fondle a $38,000 dollar handbag across the pond, because the white man is a big bad meanie…Now, that’s real news.

        • Gary Gilmore's eyes

          Oh, I know, Nominay! Sure, people have died throughout history, but this time it’s the death of a woman who married this same guy twice and who was murdered in her residence by the guy while her daughter was there. I don’t think it’s particularly funny, either. I rad that he was the author of e-books of a self-help nature on such topics of communication and saving one’s marriage (!). No, I really did just read that. Pretty sick.

    • Victor Charlie

      I hate to say this, but I bet she constantly bitched at him from sun up to sun down. I just can’t find any sympathy because I know her kind.

      • Rachele

        Let me get this straight, Victor Charlie,you are blaming the murder victim, and you “hate to say this,” but you’re saying it anyway? That’s so fucked up of you it is not to be believed. I’m asking the following question because I’m curious: What makes you think she just bitched at him constantly? Perhaps it’s true,or maybe it isn’t, and assuming that she is “that kind,” as you so elegantly phrased it, but at any rate, I don’t think bitching at somebody means they deserve to be murdered, do you? (If he was fucked up enough that he could bring himself to murder his wife and post it on facebook, perhaps he was such an arsehole that he deserved to be bitched at. I’ve read that she told him she was leaving him again and it set him off. (I’m curious about how anybody knew that one, too.) He may have deserved to be bitched at if he was so bad that she wanted to leave him yet again. My husband constantly bitched at me day and night, and I didn’t shoot him, he shot me! He’d become severely alcoholic over the years, which is very dangerous because he also is a diabetic and was at risk of going into a diabetic coma. He would disappear for 24 hours at a time, forcing me to worry about him and call every hospital in Atlanta, fearing he’d gone into a diabetic coma (why I even bothered to care is beyond me now!), so my big “crime” was caring if he was dead or stranded somewhere, and he never had the courtesy to let me know that he was alive and well. Twice I had to file a missing persons report with the police, so if caring whether somebody is alive or dead is a big transgression, I guess I was guilty of it. Turns out he was having an affair with a woman as unsavory as himself. I don’t think I deserved to get shot, and I am not “that kind,” as you put it in reference to the murder victim in this case. I presume you did not know this woman, so to make such a statement seems really presumptuous to me. That’s some nice way to speak of the dead, guy. You know, if you actually hate to say something, maybe you should just not say it.

        • MoscowEast

          I enjoyed Victor’s comment. I stopped reading yours when you started boring me with your life story.

          Cheers.

  2. Lucas S.

    Terrible. I cannot even comprehend the mindset of this man. Mental illness is a major problem, but this guy seems sane.

  3. Gary Gilmore's eyes

    Narcissistic sociopath. In his mind, it’s all about him (not the person whose life he took); he announces it and posts proof as if he’s achieved something praiseworthy (even going so far as to tell anyone reading his post that they will be reading all about him in the newspaper; he blames his wife’s alleged violence for his actions; he expresses nothing that would indicate remorse– indeed, he comes off as boastful and arrogant; he doesn’t seem to care that he took a life and almost certainly shattered the lives of the people who know and love this woman. In his twisted mind, she did not exist anyway, nor did the loved ones whose loved ones will be so adversely affected by his murder of this poor woman. Yep, sounds like a narcissistic sociopath to me.

  4. Robert, do you have two websites now? Or is the other one your old one? This is your main one, right?

  5. Mosh

    That’s just barbaric, and it’s really sad that he had to resort to this, but as a Muslim guy I’m relieved that he isn’t a Muslim, cause every time a Muslim man does the same thing it’s called an honor killing, linked to Islam and an indictment for all Muslim men.

    Christians call us Savages and misogynists yet they ignore the demons in their own community.

    • You know, if “Muslims” would just stop fucking telling everyone and everything that they are “Muslims” all the damn time…Then things wouldn’t end up being a “Muslim” issue all the time, now would it. ;)

      • Mosh

        when do Muslims always go around telling people they’re Muslim.

        Western people always assume that just because somebody has an Arabic name or brown skin or comes from a Muslim background they must be a very “devout Muslim”.

        When Shahid Khan bought the Jacksonville Jaguars he suffered from racist attacks even though he didn’t even mention his Muslim faith.
        When Rima Fakih won Miss.USA she was accused of “stealth Jihad” by neo-cons just because of her Muslim background.
        Zayn Malik is accused of “pimping Islam” through his music just because of his Muslim background.
        When Zidane headbutted Marco Mattarazi, people said he was short tempered cause he was Muslim.
        You’re the ones that label us, it’s not the other way around.

        • @Mosh

          when do Muslims always go around telling people they’re Muslim.

          Every second of every minute of their clueless little lives

          Western people always assume that just because somebody has an Arabic name or brown skin or comes from a Muslim background they must be a very “devout Muslim”.

          Yah…Sure wonder why they would think that now.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/10/nyregion/30-year-sentence-for-man-who-tried-to-bomb-federal-reserve.html?_r=0

          When Shahid Khan bought the Jacksonville Jaguars he suffered from racist attacks even though he didn’t even mention his Muslim faith.

          Yah, he can thank those funny Saudis for that one, and all of those fucking stupid “reverts” the enlist.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lee_Rigby

          When Rima Fakih won Miss.USA she was accused of “stealth Jihad” by neo-cons just because of her Muslim background.

          Rima is not even a real “Muslim”…She’s a Shia fire-worshiping infidel Zoroastrian Persian closet Jew, and you know it.

          Zayn Malik is accused of “pimping Islam” through his music just because of his Muslim background.

          Don’t know who he is. He sounds like a douche.

          When Zidane headbutted Marco Mattarazi, people said he was short tempered cause he was Muslim.

          Yah. I bet if I drew a picture of the prophet Mohammed, piss be upon him, he’d run and do it right again.

          You’re the ones that label us, it’s not the other way around.

          Cry me a river, baby cakes. You idiots got a reputation, ’cause you earned it. :D

          Oh, and you must be new here…I am already the resident sand nigger. I am king of the mountain. Bow down.

        • Oh, and you must be new here…I am already the resident sand nigger.

          Sup nig.

        • Gary Gilmore's eyes

          Um, excuse me, but to answer your first question, did you not just state in your previous post that you’re Muslim? So there is an answer for you. You just did. Did you not? I’m not saying you do it all the time, but you stated it pretty much immediately, you know. It’s right there, right away. I did not say “you’re a muslim,” you did. and nobody even asked if you were, you just volunteered that information outright without any prompting whatsoever, but then you go on to blame “western people” for their “assumptions,” when nobody was assuming anything about you that I can tell, and nobody had to assume anything because you announced that fact right away, did you not? You did. I personally don’t care who or what you worship. For all I care you can love Charlie Manson.

      • Gary Gilmore's eyes

        You have a point.

    • Mott

      There is a big difference, Mush. When Muslims kill “infidels” or kill their own women, they say they are doing it for reasons that are sanctioned by their religion (and culture).

      When someone who might be (at least nominally or culturally) a Christian commits a horrific crime, they are not claiming that it was sanctioned by Christianity, or Christian culture. Christians do not come to their defense, because Christianity doesn’t sanction violence, period.

      Further, the assumption that everyone in a Christian culture who is not a Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist must be a Christian, or that being born into a family that practices makes one a Christian…is ludicrous. I was baptized, I might even list my religion as Christian, but I am not really a practicing Christian. If I committed a crime, Christianity would have nothing to do with it.

      • Well Mott, you raise a good point. I’ve come to the conclusion that the current incarnation of “Islamism” has all the characteristics of 7th century Arab chauvinistic racism. Pluralistic Arab nationalism in the form of Baathism failed between the end of the colonial era(and fall of the Ottomans) and the current time. What replaced it is something far more psychotic. An ideology that obsesses over “conversion(or “reversion, as Islamo-faggots like to call it), control, jihad and insane conformity.

        Like most things in life, I blame the Arabs for it.

      • Mosh

        “There is a big difference, Mush. When Muslims kill “infidels” or kill their own women, they say they are doing it for reasons that are sanctioned by their religion (and culture).”

        Really?I’ve never heard of a Muslim man claim to kill his wife/daughter in the name Islam, although I have heard them kill due to some unwritten honor code such as pasthunwali in Afghanistan.

        The problem with western people is that they don’t distinguish between Islam and the Cultures that Muslims are from, a lot of Americans assume Muslim is some sort of race or ethnicity.

        “When someone who might be (at least nominally or culturally) a Christian commits a horrific crime, they are not claiming that it was sanctioned by Christianity, or Christian culture. Christians do not come to their defense, because Christianity doesn’t sanction violence, period.”

        Lets suppose Derek Medina’s real name was Abdul Khan, and his religion isn’t mentioned, but the moment somebody here’s a Muslim-sounding name they jump to conclusions.

        I’ve read the comment section of articles where the religion or the motives of the murderer aren’t mentioned but people still write racist and xenophobic comments just by assuming they’re Muslim because of their name,race, or appearance.

        There are many Muslims that don’t kill in the name of Islam, they’re motives are different but despite that people assume that their actions are “islamic” since they’re Muslim.

        Oh and I could say the same thing about Islam not sanctioning violence.

        “Further, the assumption that everyone in a Christian culture who is not a Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist must be a Christian, or that being born into a family that practices makes one a Christian…is ludicrous. I was baptized, I might even list my religion as Christian, but I am not really a practicing Christian. If I committed a crime, Christianity would have nothing to do with it.”

        I understand and that’s exactly what I try to tell people that just because somebody was born into a Muslim family doesn’t mean they’re necessarily Muslim.

        People in America assume that every Brown guy with a Middle eastern name is Muslim, even though they might be atheist or non-practicing Muslim.

        ” If I committed a crime, Christianity would have nothing to do with it.”

        I would say the same if I committed a crime, however society would always point out the Muslim part of my identity just to otherize me.

        BTW Oscar Pistorious murdered his girlfriend and he had verses from Corinthians tatted on his arm, yet nobody tried to link the dots.
        Had Pistorious been Muslim and if he had verses of the Qur’an tatted on his arm, people would immediately try to connect his Islamic faith with his actions.

        • Mott

          Mr. Mosh-

          You seem like a very reasonable person, If all the folks from your religious/cultural background were so reasonable, there wouldn’t be an issue.

          I can’t speak for people who are ignorant about Muslims and the different cultures, etc. Yeah, if a guy with a Muslim or Arab-sounding name commits CERTAIN TYPES of crimes, most would assume things right out of the gate. What’s wrong with that? On the other hand, if such a guy robbed a bank, no one would assume Islam had anything to do with it.

          Most people in all cultures are not very well-versed in other cultures. However, saying that the honor-killing thing has nothing to do with Islam is not telling the truth.

          I have heard about honor killings and stories of horrific treatment of women and non-believers…these stories come from ALL OVER the world- from every Muslim/Arab-plus-every-other-ethnic/cultural group.

          I have heard of Muslims of almost every ethnic background doing this…and you say it is just a Pashtun tribal thing…nothing to do with Islam?

          I actually would believe you if you said there is nothing in the Koran about honor killing (I have no clue if there is or not).

          All I can say is, people who aren’t Muslims are tired of the excuses Muslims make for way their religion is practiced by some of its adherents.

          Muslims NEVER come out and condemn their own…all other religions do not forbid this. I don’t care it it ain’t in the Koran, I don’t care if it “preaches peace.” Meaningless- actions speak louder.

          Muslims are all completely spineless when it comes to criticizing their own religion- out of fear. Which really makes it suck even more. If it was such a benevolent, peaceful religion (which maybe is what it is supposed to be), no one would have much of an issue with it.

        • Mott

          Mosh- BTW- I don’t (personally) dislike Muslims, I’m secular, and I’m not conservative or an America-firster.

          Remember Reza Aslan? The Muslim who wrote a book critical of Christianity (which I think is great). The idiots on Fox asked him why a Muslim wrote a book critical of Christianity. Idiotic question! However, the real answer is…”because if I wrote a book critical of Mohammed I’d get my head cut off!”

          The nut-job right-wingers and fanatical neo-con “Christians” have an excellent point when they ask:

          Where are all the anti-radical, moderate Muslim organizations?
          Where are all the moderate Muslim activists speaking out against stuff like honor killings and this global jihad crap?

          They must know that this stuff is actually their own worst enemy- and only sets their religion and their interests back, yet they are almost silent.

          Why not just admit that their cultures are basically about 700-1,000 years behind the times, and practice their religion accordingly.

        • @ Mott

          Your points are all very good, but as Dota and I would always argue, race/ethnicity > religion every time.

          Most of the honor killings you hear about in the Muslim world occur in South Asia or the Arab world. Also, as has been pointed out by Dota (quoting Aakar Patel) before, Punjabi peasants comprise the bulk of Pakistan’s population, and if you observe Hindu peasant behavior in certain regions of India, they’re almost as likely to commit barbaric honor killings.

          You don’t hear about honor killings in places such as Indonesia (the world’s most populous Muslim nation) or Bosnia.

          Muslim Americans, with few exceptions, also tend to be reasonably assimilated and moderate, because they are highly selected immigrants.

          That being said, at least for radical Muslims, I have noticed that they tend to believe in a sort of international Muslim solidarity to an extent that no other religious groups do.

          For example, I was in Britain during the summer of 2006 (around the time of the Heathrow terrorist scare), and the British Pakis behind the attempt were angry about Western foreign policy, and many British Pakis who were interviewed about the incident expressed anger over Israeli aggression in Lebanon.

          Even though British Pakistanis have close to nothing in common with most Lebanese people aside from Islam, many felt the urge to engage in violence over it.

          You don’t see Christian fundamentalists committing terrorist attacks against Egyptian embassies, in spite of Egypt’s persecution of the Copts. You don’t see Christian fundamentalists from various parts of the world travel to Russia in order to fight Chechen terrorists and separatists.

          You also don’t see Buddhists committing terrorist attacks against Chinese people because of what China is doing to the Tibetans.

          The only other group I can think of who behaves similarly to Muslims in this regard are Jews! Think of American turned Israeli mass murderer Baruch Goldstein. As well as the various other Jews from around the world who travel to Israel to play the fighting Zionist. And also lobby within their countries on behalf of Israel and international Jewry.

          Still, in conclusion, I believe that race and culture play a bigger role than religion in determining human behavior.

        • @Mosh

          “Really?I’ve never heard of a Muslim man claim to kill his wife/daughter in the name Islam, although I have heard them kill due to some unwritten honor code such as pasthunwali in Afghanistan.”

          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57409395-504083/honor-killing-under-growing-scrutiny-in-the-u.s/

          Most honor killings are taking place in the Arab world, or places infected with the poison of the Gulf Arab religion. Most are being done by observant Sunni Muslims. This has nothing to do with Pashtunwali, which you know jack shit about.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali

          “The problem with western people is that they don’t distinguish between Islam and the Cultures that Muslims are from, a lot of Americans assume Muslim is some sort of race or ethnicity.”

          Well, since to be an observant Muslim means acting and dressing like a goddamn lizard eating bearded Saudi asshole, I actually can fully understand why they think that.

          “Lets suppose Derek Medina’s real name was Abdul Khan, and his religion isn’t mentioned, but the moment somebody here’s a Muslim-sounding name they jump to conclusions.”

          As they shouldn’t. They don’t think that if the name sounds Asian, White, Black, Latino, Hindu, Jewish, Italian, Irish, and Eskimo for a reason.

          Think about it. I’ll give you a hint. The answer is starring you in the face.

          “I’ve read the comment section of articles where the religion or the motives of the murderer aren’t mentioned but people still write racist and xenophobic comments just by assuming they’re Muslim because of their name,race, or appearance.”

          I think it has something to do with your brethren hijacking airliners and crashing them into skyscrapers while shouting “Allah u Akbar!!!”…Incidentally destroying magnificent works of architecture that Arab-Muslim civilization has failed to create.

          “There are many Muslims that don’t kill in the name of Islam, they’re motives are different but despite that people assume that their actions are “islamic” since they’re Muslim.”

          Here are a few quick steps to success for you:

          1)Stop listening to and following bigots and morons from the Arab world as your leaders. The Arab world has been in decay for the last 800 years or so. They are a lost cause. Backward in every way imaginable. The vast majority of Muslim countries(read all) that actually compete and produce things in this world that people want, are non-Arab speaking countries.

          2)Stop trying to convert the world. Missionary work is for Christians. Muslims just end up converting the scum and mentally handicapped that set off bombs at the Boston marathon. Your religion ain’t “fishers of men.” It was spread by the sword, not by hippie “love in’s”.

          3) Learn tolerance. For others, and people within your own cultures and faith. If I had a dollar for every time some cocksucker Ay-rab Moslem camel fucker told me and my fellow “Persians/Central Asians” that we are “harem” for celebrating our own fucking NEW YEAR, I’d be rich. We were doing that shit 2,000 years before those arabian monkeys even learned how to walk upright.

          You spread hate, you get hated…Simple fucking concept.

          “Oh and I could say the same thing about Islam not sanctioning violence.”

          You actions in the modern world say otherwise.

          “I understand and that’s exactly what I try to tell people that just because somebody was born into a Muslim family doesn’t mean they’re necessarily Muslim.”

          Pipe down on the fanatics and converts, and this well stop being an issue.

          “People in America assume that every Brown guy with a Middle eastern name is Muslim, even though they might be atheist or non-practicing Muslim.”

          Guess what…I am aware of this.

          “I would say the same if I committed a crime, however society would always point out the Muslim part of my identity just to otherize me.”

          Because so many others have already done just that. Once again, you reap what you sow.

          “BTW Oscar Pistorious murdered his girlfriend and he had verses from Corinthians tatted on his arm, yet nobody tried to link the dots.
          Had Pistorious been Muslim and if he had verses of the Qur’an tatted on his arm, people would immediately try to connect his Islamic faith with his actions.”

          Blah, blah, blah… :D

        • @BAG

          “Your points are all very good, but as Dota and I would always argue, race/ethnicity > religion every time.”

          Might thoughts exactly.

        • @ Cyrus

          It’s sad that it even needs to be said, but some people never learn.

          Even though I generally avoid critiquing religions and focus more on race and culture, I do get incredibly irritated with leftists’ tendencies to equate Christian fundamentalism with Islamic fundamentalism.

          As many others have put it, when artists and comedians can mock Muhammad with the same frequency that they mock Jesus, and it doesn’t spark riots and assassination attempts, then we’ll talk.

          As odious as evangelical flyover types may be, they have nothing on Muslim fundamentalists.

        • Mott

          @ BAG- I do think you have a great point about Indonesia and Malaysia having virtually no honor killings…and yes, Hindus and Sikhs do it too…

          I would only say that…Hindus and Sikhs only amount to less than 5% of H-kills. Worldwide, it is a 95% Muslim thing.

          As far as Indonesia/Malaysia…the experts say that their cultures are not as patriarchal, apparently, that is the deadly combo- Islam+ Patriarchy.

          I do think that Dota’s Maxim- Race/Ethnicity trumps Religion- is very true in so many cases, however, I think that Islam is different than the rest in that regard.

          Though they kill each other over ethnic/race lines (Iran-Iraq war for ex.) they unite as a block against all non-Muslims.

          Like you said, Muslims seem to “circle the wagons,” banding together as a universal, “international Muslim solidarity to an extent that no other religious groups do.” (Jews possible exception? Yeah, but even they aren’t as zealous about it.)

          You are right that Christians do not have any such solidarity whatsoever, and that they do not act as “Christians first” against all “enemies
          as fanatical Muslims do.

        • @ Cyrus

          Loathe as I am to quote a feminist, but according to Amani Awad:

          This cultural practice is not associated with Islam in form. To link honor killing to Islam, or any religion of the Middle East, will only manage to
          undermine the ideological complexities of gender dynamics in the
          Middle East which are characterized by patriarchy and patrilineal
          orientation.

          Also, plenty of HKs occur in India but the peasant and warrior castes, most of them not receiving the same air time as the Muslim ones are oh so entertaining.

          On Pashtunwali

          I’m not sure if the code directly endorses HKs, but my guess is that it does so indirectly. This code is quite big on Honour and face, and the revenge motif underpins those ideas.

          Mott

          Muslims NEVER come out and condemn their own…all other religions do not forbid this…Where are all the moderate Muslim activists speaking out against stuff like honor killings and this global jihad crap?…

          Here are some:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7758651.stm

          I would post more, but what’s the point? Graphs are boring to most people

          http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/04/30/on-anniversary-of-bin-ladens-death-little-backing-of-al-qaeda/

        • Mott

          @ BAG-

          On the lighter side, it looks like Bigfoot done scared away Manny the Spammer! It’s safe to go back in the water now…

        • Mott

          @ Dota- I did realize that there are, and there have been, some, or a few, Muslim moderates/liberals (mostly in Western, Christian countries), both individuals, activists and groups.

          But the numbers, and their impact are woefully paltry. Also, every time they get publicity, the next thing you hear is, they have to have protection or go underground.

          A group for Muslim women in Norway is good, but is it the same as a group being active in a Muslim country?

          I was looking at the same Honor Killing site- interesting stuff. I will have to research more. Like I said, I have no doubt that HK is not “Koranic” (if that is a word).

          I would respectfully point out, however, that fellow Muslims merely refusing to give Muslim jihadists proper Muslim burials may sound like horrible punishment and condemnation in their culture, but to a Westerner, it seems like the weakest, lamest, most impotent act of “non-protest”.

          If that’s the best moderate Muslim’s can muster- “we won’t bury them with us!”…um…I don’t know what else to say!

        • Mott

          I have lived around Muslims most of my life and I know from first hand experience that most of them are not big on Jihad or violence. The only Muslim society that tacitly endorses religious violence is Pakistan. I would mention Afghanistan but most of the violence there is tribal in nature which is unfairly packaged as religions violence by the Jew media. We’ve seen similar intellectual dishonesty in the reporting of violence in Burma and Darfur. Pakistan OTOH actually endorses religious violence on grounds of ideology. My own Wahabi Punjabi roommate is ambivalent towards the killings of Shias and Ahmedis in his country. Hindus are even lower on the Paki totem pole. Pakistan is a despicable country and should be disintegrated and un-stitched.

          I would respectfully point out, however, that fellow Muslims merely refusing to give Muslim jihadists proper Muslim burials may sound like horrible punishment and condemnation in their culture, but to a Westerner, it seems like the weakest, lamest, most impotent act of “non-protest”.

          And they are supposed to do what exactly? Write a letter of protest to the Pakistani government for sponsoring terrorism? If Bin Ladin’s cave had a postal code I would have sent him a letter a long time ago. Israelis can write to their Knesset protesting their state’s apartheid and violence, Americans can write to their Congressmen protesting imperial wars, Hindus can write to their MPs protesting Hindutva violence, and Sinhalese people can write to their own government protesting the horrific persecution of Tamil Hindus in Sri Lanka.

          What’s a Muslim supposed to do? Show me one terrorist organization with a standard Office and mailing address and I’ll do my part by writing to them. The most Muslims can do is to deny terrorists legitimacy by ignoring them and not sympathizing with them. A good example of this is Kashmir. As Robert L pointed out, most Kashmiris do not want to be part of Pakistan, but want to go independent. This is despite the army of Paki sponsored terrorists running amuck in the valley.

        • @Mott

          “Though they kill each other over ethnic/race lines (Iran-Iraq war for ex.) they unite as a block against all non-Muslims.

          They most certainly DO NOT “unite” as block against all non-Muslims, and never have…That is a myth perpetrated as much by the Islamophobic fear mongers in the West, as by the delusional Muslim “ummah” fanatics themselves. If they had ever truly “united” into an overall civilizational sphere, they wouldn’t be the modern day losers that they are.

          During the Iran-Iraq war in fact, not only was the overwhelming vast majority of Saddam’s war machine Muslim…They were SHIA MUSLIM no less, and that certainly did not stop them from cutting down their Turko-Persian coreligionists in the hundreds of thousands at a time.

          Race and ethnicity trumped religion big time. I challenge you to give me an example where it didn’t in the so-called “Muslim World,” going back virtually to the 7th century.

          Remember, there is an Arab League. It’s older than the E.U. The Arabs “united” and lost half a dozen wars against the Israels. When the “Arab Spring” started in 2010, it swept from Morocco to the UAE, and from Syria to Yemen…Anywhere and everywhere Arabic was spoken. No one gave two shits about it in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, ect…They ain’t Arabs, and they do not speak lizard talk. They have very different cultures.

          Like you said, Muslims seem to “circle the wagons,” banding together as a universal, “international Muslim solidarity to an extent that no other religious groups do.” (Jews possible exception? Yeah, but even they aren’t as zealous about it.)”

          It’s an illusion with absolutely no substance to it. Completely skin deep. When Jews band together nowadays, they get results. When so-called Muslims do it, they get the exact opposite. All talk and hot air. The “Muslim World” has no NATO. No equivalent of the E.U. No comparison to Western cooperation. It simply does not exist. Why? To quote Tariq Ali…”Because there is no such thing as a Muslim World.” It exist only in the imagination of those used car salesman we call Mullahs.

          People who speak of a united Islamic anything, live in La-La land, and we can see the results.

          Christianity may no longer be a unifying force in the world…But Judeo-Christian culture is, which is of course the modern baby of “Christianity.” The Western world most certainly is united economically and geo-politically. Just as the Chinese, the Iranians, and even the Russians will tell you.

          When I fly on a 777 or an Airbus to Germany from the U.S, I am experiencing the fruits of that united Western civilization. It is a united European origin overall culture.

          There is no Islamic equivalent, and never will be.

        • @BAG

          “As many others have put it, when artists and comedians can mock Muhammad with the same frequency that they mock Jesus, and it doesn’t spark riots and assassination attempts, then we’ll talk.”

          Ironically, you could get away with doing that in most major “Middle Eastern” countries back in the 60’s and 70’s…At least to an extent.

          Think Egyptians and Jordanians in mini-skirts and hula-hoops.

        • Mott

          @ Dota-

          I do agree that you have a point when you say “what do you expect Muslims to do”? I admit that if I was a Muslim, I would not be willing to risk my life to take a public stand, either. Sane Muslims don’t think it’s worth it either. That really sucks. Zero tolerance for dissent works real good.

          I think the problem of inaction is not one that individual Muslims are guilty of, it’s a problem in the entire culture of Muslim countries.

          I know moderate Muslims can’t send hate mail to Al Quada or picket Bin Laden’s cave…

          But, what they could do, if they didn’t have such a cultural predisposition against it, is…

          … engage in civil disobedience, make a huge public stink, etc. How did women, blacks, etc. get the rights they have now? They protested like crazy, that’s how. But this kind of liberal protest has no tradition in Muslim culture either. Civil disobedience and reform movements in Western societies is rampant, has been since the French Revolution. The Arab Spring things are the closest- yet they haven’t been real progressive yet, have they? The Arab Spring things have been political- not religious- reform movements, BTW.

          I do think that the whole fatwa threat is half the problem, the other half of the problem is that the moderate and liberal Muslims just aren’t very motivated to raise a big fuss- the only religious protests you see in the Muslim World are conservative protests.

        • Mott

          Mr. Carlos-

          What I meant by “unite” was, unite as Muslims vs. non-Muslims. (Example: Arab-Israeli Wars) I did not mean they actually get “organized” or actually collaborate on anything (unless you count those wars).

          I used the Iraq-Iran War as an example of how they fight each other. However, when the U.S. invaded, Iran didn’t exactly support it. In fact, they financed the opposition. Iraq under Saddam was very secular, also, it was a nationalistic war, not about religion. Saddam also supported Palestinians, even though he probably didn’t actually give a fuck.

          What I meant was, Muslims fight each other until presented with a non-Muslim adversary, then they act like they’re one big family (you’re right- they’re not- they’re separate tribes who don’t like each other). They defend Islam as a monolithic block.

        • @Dota

          On Pashtunwali

          I’m not sure if the code directly endorses HKs, but my guess is that it does so indirectly. This code is quite big on Honour and face, and the revenge motif underpins those ideas.

          Well, you know about Pakis and Indians, and my realm is the world of the Iranian plateau.

          Modern Afghan culture is something akin to that of “Mad Max”…Trying to understand why one Afghan is killing another, is like trying to contemplate perpetual motion. It’ll never make sense.

          I would garner that an “Afghan” honor killing would generally have rather different motives from that of their Arab equivalents for the most part, at least as motivation is concerned. Afghans are rugged individuals. Arabs are not.

          Afghans are rather akin to our own American Southerners, and some of their inherited “Celtic” traditions.

          I have seen the damage that the Gulf Arab “Islamic” influence in Afghanistan since the 80’s has done, though. It’ll take generations to work out. The Arabs with their money are like pure poison.

        • @Mott

          “What I meant by “unite” was, unite as Muslims vs. non-Muslims. (Example: Arab-Israeli Wars) I did not mean they actually get “organized” or actually collaborate on anything (unless you count those wars).”

          Again, when has that ever REALLY happened, except out of the mouths of some firebrand preachers?

          The Arab-Israeli wars are a nonsensical comparison. That was the Arabs, i.e Arab nationalists(Baathists) versus the newly re-formed Jews, i.e Hebrew nationalists(Zionists).

          It was the Arab League fighting with Israel. Islam played ZERO factor in it. Religion was irrelevant. Arab Christians were just as much in support of the cause as any Arab Muslims. They were all Arabs. Turkey and Iran, two major non-Arab Muslim countries in the region, backed Israel with weapons and intel as allies.

          For the life of me, I do not see how your argument backs any notion of “united Muslims.”

          I used the Iraq-Iran War as an example of how they fight each other. However, when the U.S. invaded, Iran didn’t exactly support it. In fact, they financed the opposition. Iraq under Saddam was very secular, also, it was a nationalistic war, not about religion. Saddam also supported Palestinians, even though he probably didn’t actually give a fuck.”

          That is flat out wrong. The Iranians didn’t finance or support the opposition after the U.S invasion. On the contrary, they were to a large extent supportive of U.S actions to “calm” the place. After all, they wanted a freely elected Iraq they could control, and they got it.

          Anyone telling you the Iranians equipped, financed or backed the insurgents is a liar, for more reasons than I feel like laying out.

          What I meant was, Muslims fight each other until presented with a non-Muslim adversary, then they act like they’re one big family (you’re right- they’re not- they’re separate tribes who don’t like each other). They defend Islam as a monolithic block.

          Again, show me the money…If what you were saying where actually true, the U.S wouldn’t be able to run rap-shod all across the Middle East. That is obviously not the case.

        • Mott

          Carlos-

          Look, you managed to misinterpret what I said again. That’s TWICE. I said Muslims (in the more recent years- not talking about in the 1950s-1970s) present a face of being united against non-Muslims. And I said it is a facade. But it is what the fundamentalists preach- one big caliphate. AL Quada recruits from every Muslim country, ethnicity, nationality.

          You said: “It was the Arab League fighting with Israel. Islam played ZERO factor in it. Religion was irrelevant. Arab Christians were just as much in support of the cause as any Arab Muslims. They were all Arabs. Turkey and Iran, two major non-Arab Muslim countries in the region, backed Israel with weapons and intel as allies.”

          Uh…Iran had the (secular-pro-West)Shah installed at the time, Turkey had a pro-Western regime at the time. Religion wasn’t a factor? In your universe, maybe. I think the Jews not being Muslims is part of it, Einstein.

          Look, I don’t know exactly who you are (let me guess…a Persian Muslim who hates Arabs to the point of fanaticism? You could do worse, I guess) but I don’t dig your know-it-all tone. We won’t be talking again.

        • Mott

          I admit that if I was a Muslim, I would not be willing to risk my life to take a public stand, either. Sane Muslims don’t think it’s worth it either. That really sucks. Zero tolerance for dissent works real good.

          Lets take the example of Kashmir again. Do you think the vast majority of Kashmiris can take a stand against Paki Islamist terrorists? Especially since said terrorists are armed to the teeth? It’s a minority holding the majority hostage. So the word ”dissent” is logically irrelevant to this scenario.

          … engage in civil disobedience, make a huge public stink, etc. How did women, blacks, etc. get the rights they have now? They protested like crazy, that’s how.

          It’s been tried in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. These protesters tend to disappear one by one without any media coverage. Who supports these regimes?

          But this kind of liberal protest has no tradition in Muslim culture either.

          This statement is so close to being illuminating. There is no such thing as ”Muslim culture”. I would rephrase your statement and say that civil disobedience ect are foibles of the west. I would say that there are no parallels in Asian cultures as the various cultures of Asia (diverse as they are) all gravitate towards authoritarianism.

          And this brings us back to the culture variable which we should have been focusing on to begin with. If anything, our little discussion has highlighted the superiority of western culture (in most if not all respects) over the rest.

          I’ve drafted an article on the similarities between Middle Eastern and Chinese cultural perspectives on democracy. I’ll be uploading it on my (and BAG’s) website. I argue that both cultures are fundamentally incompatible with democracy. I’d like to invite you and Cyrus to comment when it’s been uploaded.

        • Mott

          Religion wasn’t a factor? In your universe, maybe. I think the Jews not being Muslims is part of it, Einstein.

          Religion added fuel to the fire, but the I/P conflict was (still is) an ethno nationalist one. Muslims too can engage in genocide against one another, like Punjabi pakis butchering Bengali East Pakistanis in the early 70s (which resulted in the birth of Bangladesh).

          Mott and Cyrus

          but I don’t dig your know-it-all tone. We won’t be talking again.

          Look, I respect the both of you and I really hope you guys refrain from feuding with one another. In fact, this three way debate has been the best discussion I’ve participated in on this blog in God knows how long. Until the Hindutvas started shitting all over the place that is.

        • Mott

          Dota-

          I agree that it is actually an authoritarian, non-Western thing. I know what I mean when I say “Muslim culture”- and I accept that you think there is no such thing. But, to non-Muslims, it appears that there is a “culture” that goes along with the religion, just as there is a system of government (sharia theocracy) that appears to go with it, alot of the time, unfortunately!

          There just doesn’t seem to be a comparable “Christian culture,” or “Christian” government (unless you count secular democracy, which is not religious, so…) or “Buddhist culture/government.”

          One of the huge frustrations non-Muslims have regarding anything on the topic of Islam, Arabs, etc. is the need to ceaselessly equivocate and delineate between the religion and the ethnic / racial / nationalistic groups. We (anyone w/ brain) know “Muslim” is not a language, a race, ethnicity or nationality. We know not all Arabs are Muslims, Persians are not Arabs etc. etc. (insert LOUD SCREAM HERE). Just because stupid people don’t know this…AY AY AY!!!!

          Makes one want to discuss anything but this subject, which I believe is the goal of MANY who are Muslims (not you, Dota)- their goal is shut up all outside commentary- “only Muslims can comment on Islam because only they understand it.” The heck with that…

          The countries you mentioned- all are propped up by the U.S.- that’s a clue to why they even permitted the protests at all.

          I look forward to reading your articles, Dota.

        • Mott

          Dota- I think there could be a lively debate on how much religion factors into the Pali-Israel thing. I know there is a very good case to made that it is ethno-nationalist, and there are a lot of facts to support this.

          But…If the Israelis were just some ethnically middle-eastern Muslim minority tribe, coming to “claim its land” back after living elsewhere, it would not be the same situation.

          If the Palestinians were all Jews, and merely resented being supplanted by the newcomer Israelis, it wouldn’t be the same.

          Just because Arab Christians might not have supported Israel…so what? Neither do Palestinian Christians..Christians- anywhere- don’t automatically love Jews or support Israel- in Europe, they do not at all…doesn’t “prove” that religion is not a factor between the Jews and Arabs/Palis.

          Someone remarked to me, the Arabs don’t hate the Jews because of religion- they hate them because they are “there”- sitting on stolen land. Sounds logical- but it isn’t they hate them for both reasons, and the reasons are inseparable.

          The fact that there was, at the time of the Arab-Israeli conflicts, a Pan-Arab secular movement going on (which was brief and was very phony, too) was just coincidental. While the leaders claimed to be secular, the average Arab was not.

          Earlier, the Ottoman Empire would have attacked Israel, and religion would have been a “factor” to say the least… if Israel had been surrounded by Islamist states (like modern Iran) at the time they would have named religion as the main reason…

          It could be argued that if it wasn’t for U.S.- British interference, there would have been Islamist states in every Mid-East country from the get go. They would have attacked Israel for religious, and other reasons…

          To quote Hilary- “What difference does it make?” If an Arab (or other ethnicity) Muslim wants to attack an enemy, they can use religion, race, ethnicity, or nationality as the reason…it doesn’t matter. They seem to use interchangeable reasons…

          We are into philosophy here…

          Also- I didn’t know Cyrus was Carlos D. He needs to chill. Way too hyper. Makes sense now.

        • Despite the rise of the Haredim (on the Jewish side), and certain manifestations of Palestinian Islamic radicalism in the form of Hamas, the Israel/Palestine conflict has always been an ethnonationalist one at its foundation.

          The Zionists are often ones who seek to push the conflict as a religious one, for several reasons.

          1) By constantly invoking their ancient biblical claim, they can wrap their enterprise in the cloak of religious and historical legitimacy, irrespective of the fact that Palestinians were the long time inhabitants.

          2) They do it to appeal to Christian Zionist turds and similar types.

          3) They emphasize religion as a divide and conquer strategy against the Palestinians. They don’t even call Palestinians “Palestinians.” They either call them Arabs or even refer to them by their respective religious communities.

          This is also done to sanitize Israeli discrimination against Palestinians. I’ve seen several Zionist apologists argue that Palestinians aren’t economically marginalized, and that the only ones who are really poor are the Muslim ones who have too many kids.

          And, of course, they can continue pushing this BS myth that they’re the only place in the Middle East that treats Christians right.

        • Mosh

          @Dota: “The only Muslim society that tacitly endorses religious violence is Pakistan. ”

          Really?I don’t think Pakistani society endorses terrorism, maybe the Pakistani establishment does, but certainly not the average Pakistani, and Pakistan isn’t the only country that has supported terrorists before, LIbya has supported terrorism, India supports Baluch insurgents,America armed and funded the Taliban, and they’re currently giving weapons to Syrian rebels,

          “My own Wahabi Punjabi roommate is ambivalent towards the killings of Shias and Ahmedis in his country.”

          I’m not sure if there are many “Wahabi Punjabis”, but most Pakistanis I’ve talked to aren’t “ambivalent” towards “shia genocide” or “ahmedi genocide”, Pakistanis for a really long time and up until recently always believed in “live and let live”, which is part of Sufi philosophy.

          Your room mate isn’t a representative of all Pakistani people, he’s an individual that has his own opinions.

          “Pakistan is a despicable country and should be disintegrated and un-stitched.”

          You’re just saying that cause you’re Indian, I could say the same about India.

          “A good example of this is Kashmir. As Robert L pointed out, most Kashmiris do not want to be part of Pakistan, but want to go independent. This is despite the army of Paki sponsored terrorists running amuck in the valley.”

          Really?I’m a Kashmiri myself, and I would rather have Kashmir be a part of Pakistan than India, and those “terrorists” are actually freedom fighters, even Nelson Mandele was once called a terrorist, most liberation groups are called “terrorists” by their oppressors just to justify their atrocities against them, what Pakistan is doing in Kashmir is no different than what India did in Bangladesh or what the Americans did in Libya, there has always been a lot of support for independence for Kashmir, and Pakistan is just assisting the Kashmiris.

        • Mosh

          Really?I don’t think Pakistani society endorses terrorism, maybe the Pakistani establishment does, but certainly not the average Pakistani,

          The average Paki may not openly and explicitly condone violence, however that average Paki definitely supports institutionalized discrimination against minorities which leaves them vulnerable to violence in periods of instability. A non Muslim may never become prime minister of Pakistan. Even Israel is better, for (in theory) a non Jewish Israeli can become PM (I’m aware of no clause to the contrary). Ditto for India.

          You’re just saying that cause you’re Indian, I could say the same about India.

          Then say it, I don’t care. I’m also not the most patriotic Indian in the world, ask the local commenters, or better yet, ask Nominay .

          Anyhow, I can speak, read, and write Urdu (and Hindi), and I am quite immersed in the local Paki community here. The difference between these Pakis and the ones I knew in Dubai and Toronto is that these guys immigrated directly from Pakistan. These are some of the most small minded, intolerant, petty, and most backward people I’ve ever met. They have absolutely no interest in assimilating into the culture of the west, scream racism when they themselves hold highly prejudiced attitudes towards Hindus, Ahmedis, Shias ect and in general have no tolerance or even remote interest in anything/anyone that is different.

          I don’t deny that on an individual level, Pakis are some of the friendliest people you will meet, but I’ve described group behaviour up there.

          And besides why should Pakistan exist? Pakistan’s influence on the world is overwhelmingly negative. Their shenanigans destabilize south Asia and they contribute nothing to the world economy. They’ve even failed in their prime directive of creating a safe haven for South Asian Muslims, ask any Indian Shia or Ahmedi.

          India supports Baluch insurgents,

          There is absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever. And besides, the Baloch insurgents are genuine freedom fighters unlike the Harkatul faggots and the Lashkar-e-dipshits.

        • Mott

          BAG- I would agree that the Jews are the ones who made the Is-Pal conflict a religious one from the get-go. If you take the religion out of it, it’s not the same for the Jews.

          It’s not just their claimed ancient homeland- it’s the home of their religion, too.That makes a huge difference.

          Also, the “Holy” Land is the religious home to the Christian and Muslim religions. The fact that Jerusalem is so sacred to the Muslims and the Jews is a huge factor in this.

          Take out the religious factor, and Christians wouldn’t give a flying fuck about that godforsaken real estate.

          Take out religion, and Christians wouldn’t give a damn about Jews or Palestine (except maybe not liking Jews for their economic tactics) Take out religion and you probably don’t have a Holocaust, so you don’t have the post-WW 2 Israel project.

          Like I said, you guys are technically correct to say that it is ethnonationalist in nature, and that religion is a tertiary factor.

          But, if you take the religion out of it, the whole thing doesn’t happen, at least doesn’t rise to the same level.

          If Jews and Palis were both just different tribes of middle eastern Muslims you don’t have the same conflict. Likewise if they were both Christian ethnic groups. Or if they were two Jewish groups, obviously.

          The problem for me, is I see Palis/Arabs/Muslims in that area as people whose ethnicity is merged with their religion to the point that it is maddening and frustrating to even comment on it.

          A Palistinian Arab Muslim can say “I’m a Palistinian first”, then say “I’m an Arab first”, then say “I’m a Muslim first” , all in space of a minute, then jump back and forth at will. They are all three, all at the same time, they just pick and choose which suits the moment better.

          If the Jordanians and Egyptians had taken their land, everyone would just collectively yawn! That means religion is a huge factor (and the fact that the Zionist invaders are mostly European- not middle eastern).

          (And no, FYI- I’m not taking the pro-Zionist side! – yuck, barf!)

        • Mosh

          @Dota: U.S Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel confirmed that India is supporting insurgents in Baluchistan.

          “Pakistan doesn’t contribute to the economy”, well Pakistan has been included in the next-11 by Goldman sachs and the U.S EIA in a recent report says that Pakistan has the 9th largest shale oil reserves in the world(even more than Canada) and Pakistan is also a gateway to the Central Asian Republics which are rich in hydrocarbons, so Pakistan can potentially contribute to the global economy in the future.

        • Take out religion and you probably don’t have a Holocaust, so you don’t have the post-WW 2 Israel project.

          That’s not exactly true.

          I’ve taken courses on the Israel/Palestine conflict, and have read a good amount on the topic, and from what I’ve gathered, the Zionist enterprise would have continued irrespective of the Nazi Holocaust.

          The Holocaust may have galvanized world Jewry, and it has since been used to shield Israel from criticism, but the process of establishing a Jewish state in historic Palestine was well underway.

          Following the Balfour Declaration and British support of the Zionist enterprise following WWI, the writing was already under the wall.

          Also, the Holocaust was not about religion at all. Even Jews who converted to Christianity were exterminated. Anti-Semitism endorses hatred of Jews as a perceived racial or ethnic group.

          Even Martin Luther, who was very harsh on Jews, would tolerate a Jew if he converted to Christianity.

        • Mott

          BAG- I have had to tell a lot of posters that the H-Cast wasn’t a Christian thing, absolutely. So, in that sense, the extermination wasn’t religiously motivated.

          I am asserting (just for the sake of debate) that the Jews having a religion that was not just different from Christianity, but in many ways contrary to Christianity (i.e. Jesus is a false Jewish messiah, rejection of the “love your neighbor stuff) has been the No 1. thing (along with the money thing) made it really rough for them to do what they’ve done for 1,700 years- live surrounded by Christians who don’t like them or their religion so much. Add the “Christ-Killers” label and their position gets worse. Add also the fact that they are (at least partly) different from Europeans, and that they spoke a different language, and you have people that regular Christian Europeans couldn’t relate to at all. If Jews were just another sect of Christianity, they would have been forbidden from lending money, so that would not have gotten off the ground when it did.

          I’m just trying to get you to imagine an alternative universe scenario- what if the Jews had been not members of a separate religion, but merely different ethnically/racially? Their Religion+ Race+ Culture (which are inseparable, IMO) is what made the Nazis target them to the extent they did. If Jews were racial Germans, and Christians, but were members of an ethnic subgroup, it gets harder for them to be so reviled.

          To people like the Nazis, the fact that they (Jews) were not Christians, and that their religion was seen as the antithesis of Christianity, was the nail in the coffin, or at least another big reason to consider them sub-human. If you take away their separate religion, Jews are just another ethnic group with smelly food and weird customs, and the Nazis never rounded up everyone from groups who fit those descriptions.

          I stand by my theory- No separate Jewish religion, no monopoly on usury, no entrenched hatred and segregation by Europeans for centuries.

          Many sources I have read cite the H-cast as the primary reason why the British and Truman stood by and let the Israel thing happen exactly when it did- right after WW 2.

          I know that you are well-versed in this stuff, BAG, and that you disagree. I’m OK with that- I’m just trying to get outside of the normal, “accepted” theory boxes here.

        • Many sources I have read cite the H-cast as the primary reason why the British and Truman stood by and let the Israel thing happen exactly when it did- right after WW 2.

          I think the holocaust may have played an indirect role. As a result of the 1936-1939 Palestinian uprising, the British issued the White Paper in order to appease the Palestinians. The White Paper included restrictions on Jewish immigration, which were obviously included to placate the Palestinians on the eve of WWII, as the British were already hated by most of the Arabs, whereas the Nazis were more popular.

          Following WWII, the Exodus boat affair (of which the film of the same name no doubt took inspiration), where the Brits deported Jewish holocaust survivors back to Europe was a major PR disaster for them.

          However, I still maintain that the holocaust was not a significant factor in the creation of a Jewish state.

          In light of the 1936-1939 revolt, growing acts of Jewish terrorism against British authorities, and various conflicts between Jews and Palestinians, the British considered Palestine “ungovernable,” and wanted to wash their hands of the matter.

  6. Mr. E2me

    Worst method of ‘unfriending’ someone ever.

  7. Gary Gilmore's eyes

    Sure as shit, the conversation turns from one about a guy who murdered his wife and posted about it on facebook to one about race. I guess it’s nice to know there are some things that can be counted upon around here. But I have a helpful suggestion: if Muslims do not wish to be associated with terror, murder and violence, perhaps some of them could at least stop threatening, terrorizing and murdering people who are not Muslims. That certainly would help a lot, you know!

    • Tell it to the Saudis/Gulf Arabs. They are the root cause, 1000%.

    • Mosh

      Stupid comment.

      • AAAaaahhh, our little Mosh got all butt hurt…Too bad for you, Gary makes an excellent point.

        • Gary Gilmore's eyes

          Why thank you Carlos Danger, yes, I believe I did make an excellent point. I mean, it only makes sense, regardless of whether Mosh likes it or not. Don’t want people to associate your religion with terror and murder? Then perhaps “your people” should stop terrorizing and murdering other people! If Mosh cannot grasp that, then Mosh is the stupid person here, not I. He is of no consequence whatsoever in this world, so what he thinks really does not matter in the least. I usually try to avoid being bored or annoyed by such idiots. (Oh, and Mosh-pit, you will notice I purposefully wrote the words “some of them,” ya git! At no point did I say all Muslims are murderers, did I now? Oh, and fuck Allah and the camel he rode in on, too.)

        • nominay

          Bullies tend to have a little thing.
          I bet you’re hung like a field mouse.

  8. nominay

    All of you … ALL of you, are over thinking this .. I mean this entire conversation. And it’s like a dick off: “My intellectual prowess is bigger than yours.” Well you all seem like a lot of jackasses to me with egos the size of Canada. Mott, nice to see you’re having a sane week and not foaming at the mouth. Did you up your meds? Good boy. Carlos Danger – are you the commentator formerly known as “coward” who was banned? And “I’ve come to the conclusion that the current incarnation of “Islamism” has all the characteristics of 7th century Arab chauvinistic racism. Pluralistic Arab nationalism in the form of Baathism failed between the end of the colonial era(and fall of the Ottomans) and the current time. What replaced it is something far more psychotic. An ideology that obsesses over “conversion(or “reversion, as Islamo-faggots like to call it), control, jihad and insane conformity.” Ooh! Oooh! Can I hang out with you?? You’re so fucking cool for knowing this! Round of applause please. Why don’t you go give a fucking lecture with your colorful sarcasm included, hero.
    When Dota comes off as the most humble commentator of a thread, of any thread, then it’s gone way wrong. A get a grip you guys and get over yourselves. You all think you’re hot shit with your glorified opinions, hm? “Mirror mirror on the wall, whom is the most over educated and sophistically cosmopolitan of them all?” Eat my shorts, clowns.

    • Richie

      Asking for modesty on a quasi Race/politics forum is a bit silly, I go in expecting a lot of Ivory towers

      • nominay

        Richie, it’s a MURDER .. involving a dysfunctional couple. Period. Jerks on this thread ridiculed the victim and made light of it. Intelligent people usually know better, but Carlos Danger proves that you can be educated and still see no need for decency on issues like this. And Mosh, fuck you very much for inexplicably dragging Muslims onboard this thread. Inferiority complex much? A woman is murdered and all you can think of is yourself and your religion? Damn, leave your keyboard alone if you can’t do better than that!

    • Calm down Nominay. I think it’s time for you to renounce the world and head to the wilderness.

      • nominay

        Ha ha ha D. Don’t quit your day job as someone who’s never wrong over anything to become a comedian … or even a good smart ass. Take your cues from Carlos Danger on that.

        • (sing in tune of Offspring’s pretty fly for a white guy)

          So grab your loin cloth and, yeah yeah do the Hindu thing!

          Should I open with that?

          Seriously though Nominay, I thought you ascetics were supposed to be mellow? Did the mosquitoes disrupt your wilderness meditation? Is that why you’ve become so crabby?

        • nominay

          You embarrass yourself to make fun of all things spiritual.
          Higher states of consciousness? Nah, all that stops at the door of Dota’s mind.

    • Mott

      “Mott, nice to see you’re having a sane week and not foaming at the mouth. Did you up your meds?”

      Did I ask for a compliment from you, Jew Boy?

      No meds, Shlomowitz- just Bud Light and (cheap) whisky.

      I will say this, though- you’re right about the intellectual pissing contest- I didn’t start it, and I’m not into it. Ol’ Carlos was the one who got too arrogant. Other than that, healthy debate is good. And the blog is supposed to be an intellectual forum, numbnuts.

      “Mirror mirror on the wall, whom is the most over educated and sophistically cosmopolitan of them all?”

      Boy, for a Jew you sure are stupid! Overeducated…two words, no hyphen, even?

      Have a Kike Day!

      • nominay

        You’re weird. I’ve been at this blog for two years and have never associated myself with Jewishness. I feel so divorced from my Jewish identity, it’s like calling someone a junkie who’s been clean for decades. Not that there’s anything wrong with being Jewish per se.
        I suggest that you shave your head, don punk gear, and mimic Edward Norton in
        American History X . While you’re at it, you might want to familiarize yourself with overeducated and over educated. They are indeed two different words with two different meanings.

        • Mott

          To be clear Nomin-J – you are the one that started the ad hominem for no reason. I withdraw my Anti-Smegmitic comments.

          I am not an Anti-Smegmite,nor am I a Nazi or Neo-Nazi, so I will not be shaving my head. I hate that look, anyways. Besides, the Neo-Nazis are infested with inferior Slavic and Irish bozos. Give real Nazis a bad name…

          It’s not your J-ishness that bugs, me, N-J, it’s the way you kinda veer all over the map. Lucid and making thoughtful statements one second, then making no sense and flailing wildly the next. And you have a bleeding P.C. liberal streak that I cannot stomach.

          BTW- “overeducated and over educated. They are indeed two different words with two different meanings.”

          Uh, no, they’re not. Your statement makes no sense on a few levels. Did you graduate from somewhere? If so, how, and why? Answer in 250 words or less.

          Sophistically speaking, you are?

        • I am an anti-vegemite.

        • Mott

          For sandwich spread, I prefer a mixture of Cool Whip, Mayo, Vanilla Cake Frosting and Little White Marshmallows, all on Wonder Bread, of course!

        • I only use white flour.

        • nominay

          Here’s the problem Mott … you masturbate to Hitler. I don’t know if it’s the mustache, or if swastikas on a man drive you wild, but you need an intervention, and we, your fellow commentators at RL, are here to lend you a hand for the support that you need. This includes emotional as well as mental support. We can talk about feelings and how it’s okay to have them, and uncover the bruised child underneath those feelings, so that we may provide comfort and healing to him. We can identify and analyze those triggers at the root of your core issues, where you can process the pain and sadness necessary to redirect that energy towards a path of light. Then, arm in arm, as brothers, we will walk with you towards those goals in your life that were meant to materialize.

        • Nominay…Your a gay young man in need of getting laid. Don’t worry, we’ll pitch in and hook you up. I’m sure there’s a lazy shemale somewhere that will totally love to fuck you in the ass.

        • nominay

          Cyrus, you are not being supportive at this time for the positive male bonding that Mott needs from us. Indeed, we here, the men at RL, are ready with honor to give our brothers, who are struggling, the strength that they need to not just forge strong friendships with other men, but to revolutionize their connections with women for complete satisfaction as the Alpha dogs that they yearn to be.

        • Mott

          Nomin-J-
          Oh, yeah, you say, “I’m not a Jew. I just used to be one, my mom is one, my family’s Jewish…but me…I’m not! That is sooo in the past!”

          Oh yeah? Then how come you accuse everyone who disagrees with you , or that you disagree with, of being Hitler or a Nazi? You’re a lying piece of work…

          You’ve lost once you go there (mention Hitler/Nazis), idiot. Your lame taunt is a failure on so many levels- I’m not a Nazi-Hitler worship guy, so I’m really not offended but merely puzzled by your silly accusation. And, if I was one, I certainly wouldn’t take offense, either!

          If you had half the brains that most Jews have you’d know that I tease you about being a Hebe because it’s your soft spot- and it reveals where you’re really coming from.

          I am no friend of Israel, and I have major problems with Jewish media domination, control of our government, academia, & society. And the way kikes like to suppress all opposition with their fake Nazi witch-hunt crap.

          However, I will not go into all the reasons why it is laughable to call me a Nazi, because, that is just even lamer! (OK, I’m a left wing Democrat and a socialist, typical Nazi, eh?).

        • nominay

          Oh Mott, you lack the courage of your convictions. You get all hateful over even Jews for Jesus, such as I, when I don’t even associate with religion beyond a casual basis. I could care less about “my people”. Maybe there’s something to be said about my quitting Synagogue at age 11. I can still recite the Hanukkah prayer but have no idea what I’m saying. I never know when the Jewish holidays are. I tell you what though – I enjoy the Matzo ball soup! Anyway, keep trying to tear down what residual Jewishness is left in me, with your trademark frenzy.
          Your defensiveness over Hitler is funny. You had to go at length to deny your inner Nazi. And you are special. You’re the only person I have ever broached the subject with of their love affair with Hitler (based on my intuition and psychic talents). You bat your eyelashes at Hitler, and as he stares back at you from his brooding portrait, you blush and exude your feminine side. It’s like the zeal of a teen crush. I admit you are the reason that, for the first time, I have used Hitler in the same sentence with masturbation. How many hours a day Mott have you sat on your kitchen floor and gazed at your oven with fantasies run wild of Jews cooked medium rare (so that you can still taste their blood) and served between two buns? Bon appetit! Oh, and slow burn is the best, isn’t it?? Nothing hits the spot like the delicate moisture, and flavor preserved, of the slow burn. Rolling that texture of Jew around your tongue … manna from Heaven. For you this cannot be beat. Jew burgers are your weakness; you find them utterly irresistible. Even out of the corner of your eye, Jew meat makes you salivate. Do share your recipe Mott. I sense a moneymaker!

        • Mott

          RL- Vegemax is a blender.

          Wait, it’s also the new, ultra-high security federal incarceration facility for paraplegic terrorists!

    • @nominay

      “Ooh! Oooh! Can I hang out with you?? You’re so fucking cool for knowing this! Round of applause please. Why don’t you go give a fucking lecture with your colorful sarcasm included, hero.”

      ‘Cause I got a dick… ♬♫♬

      ‘And you got a mouth… ♬♫♬.

      ‘Let’s be friends… ♬♩♫♬

  9. Rachele

    Jesus Christ, some of you need to calm down, and really, where is the crime in being Jewish? It is anything but a bad thing, but frankly, making fun of a person’s sexuality or their religion is really the most sub-adult form of interaction. To pull that out of your ass as an insult is the lazy way out. It’s nobody’s business, so how ’bout some of you grow up and get out of the house once in awhile. I’m neither homosexual nor am I Jewish, but if I were, I’d be glad I was that and not associated with a religion that, through the actions of certain of its adherents, has come to be associated with mass murder and terrorism levied against people who don’t go in for their bullshit. Two words, proper noun: Daniel Pearl. Remember him? murder victim who happened to be Jerwish and was beheaded by certain Muslims. You’ll note I said certain ones, not all. I’m not stupid. But if you really do have so much hatred toward Jews, maybe you’re the problem. What did they do to you or anyone with whom you are affiliated? Some of you should really shut up, and if you actually bothered to read the horseshit you’re writing here, maybe you would realize just how stupid you seem to be. I happen to agree with Nominay. The topic is that a person was murdered, and that is tragic. Her murderer is her husband and his disregard for her was so marked that he posted it on facebook for all to see. I happen to know firsthand what that is like. No, I did not murder anyone and post it on facebook, but somebody exactly that close to me tried to kill me the exact same way and he left me there to die until a paramedic friend of ours happened to drop by and intervene. I went to the ER, where the surgeon extracted a bullet from my head and where Sanjay Gupta performed the first of three brain surgeries; in the meantime the husband went to jail.That’s pretty much all I want to say about that. Did he get arrested? Yes, he did, but he wasn’t in very long, he wormed his way out of it. As has been typical in the course of his (chronically criminal, as it turned out) lifetime, his mommy and daddy paid for a very expensive lawyer and they had to let him go because he did a masterful job of covering up any evidence left in his wake. He’s not a dumb guy, but he is crazy. Had he been just a little sloppier about it, they would have had enough to get him, no doubt. I have a lot of empathy for this woman and her situation, and for good reason. Been there. Of course I am no longer with the guy, who calmed down considerably after my elderly mother sent word that if he ever hurt me again, he wouldn’t live to even think about what he did. He’d be in cement shoes on the bottom of Lake Superior, she wouldn’t even bother with lawyers and such, she’d spend her money in a way sure to expedite matters by hiring an “associate” to make sure he was gone for good and could never hurt another human being, let alone her youngest daughter. Yes, she really did say that. I was there to hear it all. His response was, “Your mother threatened my life!” I told her and she laughed and said, “Pffft, so what? You tell that rotten little son-of-a bitching bastard he’s goddamned right I did and he’s goddamned lucky he isn’t dead already!” My mother is very frail and old, which made her vitriolic little declarations especially hilarious. Oh, and she invited him to call the cops and report her for issuing that threat! I love my mom. Everybody knew he did it, except for himself and his (clueless) parents. I must say, I do really love his parents a lot, but their maternal/paternal cluelessness about the capabilities of their spoiled-rotten boy is astonishing to me. My parents would have tossed us out the window if we’d acted up the way he reportedly always did. Oh, and to resolve the issue of “over-educated” versus “over educated,” neither is correct, folks, as one calls for the adverb form and the hyphenated form calls for a noun to modify. So your choice is either something like “you are an over-educated fool (or whatever) or “she is overly educated.” Let that be the final word on that particular matter. I’m an editor, I live by shit like this. Remember, as the sign posted in the office of my first boss in Boston stated,”editors are always write.” So my original point is this: Whose business is it if somebody is gay, Jewish or gay-Jewish? Not yours. Shut up about it. Those things are Nominay’s business, not yours to condemn or blither on about. And really, why would any of you even give a shit? Go back to your beheading and gassing or whatever in hell else you’re up to. Is Nominay hurting anybody else? Not here he isn’t! But are you, yes, you likely are with your mean-spirited remarks. You might be hurting others with your careless, juvenile little remarks, and that is where the line needs to be drawn. It doesn’t take a big man or woman to talk shit on the internet, so I invite any one of you to show up at my door and run your mouth in this way to my face. You wouldn’t do it, even if I lived next door to you and not in downtown Atlanta. I guarantee that. You think my mom sounds feisty? I’m way worse. Perhaps being shot in my brain had something to do with that, but that isn’t entirely it. I’m just that way. I don’t like it when innocent people are abused and picked on. This is not a playground and we are not in the third grade, are we? I’m not, anyway. I’m just an overly educated bitchy female. Too bad.

    • Yah, the Daniel Pearl video was pretty funny…Danny boy really loses his head in it!

    • P.S…Please tell me you got Dr. Sanjay Gupta’s autograph when you were in the hospital! He’s a cutie! :D

      • Rachele

        Hahaha, Cyrus, nah, I didn’t. I wasn’t even conscious much of the three months I was in the place. Either my head was split open with my brains likely spilling out all over the place or I was really buzzed out on morphine, which had a very curious effect on me. I had to be tied down to my bed, I was later told, because the morphine made me hallucinate and wander the hospital halls totally naked, and I kept wandering into other patients’ rooms and crawling into beds that weren’t mine — old habits die hard! (this, of course, happened only after I was finally mobile). The staff did not care for that at all. I did have a followup with Dr.Gupta later on, and I have to tell you, he’s really short and skinny, and his teeth are veneered in the most unnatural white I have ever seen. Okay, he’s cute, but I like guys to look a little more banged up and far less perfect than that. Skinny is just fine, nor is short a crime, but a dude’s teeth should not be the same shade of white as his fridge (or match mine, as my kitchen appliances are all black).There is definitely such a thing as too much sometimes.

    • Mott

      Rachele-

      Respectfully, if you go back and read the posts, you’ll see that BAG, Dota, Cyrus, Mosh, and myself were having a very spirited discussion about global politics and religion…

      and it was pretty much over…when out jumps Nomin-J- like a flasher from the bushes, to attack everyone for being “intellectual” and “over-thinking”, and to attack me- ad hominem- for no freaking reason.

      That’s when he got an earful from me about being a slimeball who happens to be a Jew – he’s a Jew for Jesus, actually (suppress laughter here!) He also says he not religious…huh?

      I can’t stand him, and neither can most of the other major posters…not because he’s a Jew (I don’t hate Jews, Rachele- read my posts) but because he’s an idiot who says stupid stuff and then attacks anyone who calls him on it as a “Nazi.”

      He’s just as annoying as Halucienda. He makes sense sometimes, which means he has less of an excuse- he knows better.

      As to his gayness…I thought that he was married. Unless Cyrus has some info, I would say that he is just being teased because he’s such a weenie- and he deserves it.

      As to saying things about Jews…if you don’t like hearing anything except gushing praise for Jews and all things Jewish…you’ll need to cover your eyes when reading this blog. No sacred cows here. Almost every group is guilty of something, and they get called out on it here- this is a no P.C. zone, Rachele.

      • nominay

        You sir are redundant, and I’ve corrected you already. You’re the only person I’ve ever used the word nazi to, on this forum, or any other. My participation in discussion of Jewish issues is as rare as the birth of a white buffalo. I’ve joined in on the Jewish discussion here 3 times in 2 years. No Andy Boy am I.
        Look Mott .. you didn’t start off intending to be a cannibal, you just weren’t introduced yet to Jews as a delicacy. It’s your business to slaughter Jews to feed on, so long as I’m not one of them. And my Jewish grandma died on St. Patrick’s Day this year, so she’s not available to eat either.
        As for Cyrus, he’s a troll who yearns to live at the Playboy mansion. That’s his top flight.

        • Mott

          “You sir are redundant, and I’ve corrected you already.”

          You type that, and then proceeded to “correct” me yet another time?

          Are you just being unintentionally hilarious?

          So, I’m not just a Nazi, I’m a… NAZI CANNIBAL!!! Wow!

          FYI- Because you are retarded (sorry to all retards taking offense) I will explain this to you…slowly…

          The Nazzis didn’t put dead Jews in ovens to make Jew-Pizza.

          I know that’s what you’ve believed all your adult life, from the bedtime stories, etc.

          They actually were just very ordinary crematoriums, the same kind that millions of people today choose to cremated in, with increasing popularity.

          The Nazzis actually were keen on hygiene and were trying to deal with the bodies in the most clean, safe, modern way. Not kidding. The whole “ovens” thing is lame…the atrocities were in what preceded the cremation of the bodies, not in the cremations itself.

          Another uncomfortable truth: the Nazzis devised the gas chambers as the most humane (and hygienic) way they could come up with to kill their prisoners. Particularly for the women and children, who could not be worked to death like the men. They thought it much more humane for their victims them to think they were only taking a shower.

          It is indeed very ironic that the crematoriums and the gas chambers are considered most to be the most barbaric aspects of what happened, when, actually, that’s not what was really so barbaric. What was way more barbaric was everything else involving the D.C.s

        • @noinmay

          As for Cyrus, he’s a troll who yearns to live at the Playboy mansion. That’s his top flight.

          I am a straight male. Yes, I yearn to live at the Playboy mansion…

        • nominay

          “I am a straight male. Yes, I yearn to live at the Playboy mansion…
          Get a girlfriend loser along with a life.

        • nominay

          “Get a girlfriend loser along with a life.”

          BAHAHAHAAH!!!!!

          Little boy, I spent a good part of the last decade married…And all the while, had “girlfriends” on the side. ;)

        • nominay

          You ain’t got shit now. If it were so great you wouldn’t want to be like Hef.

        • Nominay the faggot wrote:

          “You ain’t got shit now. If it were so great you wouldn’t want to be like Hef.”

          All straight men want to be like Hugh Hefner. Especially on this blog. Hefner is and always has been a “lefty.”

      • Rachele

        Gotcha, Mott. But I must take issue with one thing, if I may, and it is this: NOBODY is as annoying as Halucienda, unless it’s his 2.0 version, Huax (Huge Ass).Nobody! If ever there were a use for an “oven,’ it would be to shove those two assclowns into it.

        • nominay

          Rachele, that you didn’t buy his line about me and Halucienda is a start. Mott is the most dishonest person to ever grace this blog. At least trolls are consistent in being trolls. They don’t pretend to have character and they make it clear to us that they don’t care, or care how little we think of them.
          Mott on the other hand masquerades as a good person and gives us a phony context to legitimize what he himself recognizes as indefensible behavior. My unsolicited advice to you is don’t be cavalier about believing what he says.

        • Mott

          Rachele- Agreed.

          Nomin-J – You are being put on “ignore.” Keep flailing…

        • nominay

          Just as I’m sure that everyone here will ignore your propaganda that Jews weren’t burned alive, and that gas chambers were designed as a humane alternative, you lying snake.

        • Lucius

          There is no real good evidence for the Holocaust. There was no gas residue on the walls of the showers at Auschwitz. The only Jews that died in the Holohoax died from starvation and disease.

        • He is correct. No Jews were burned alive in any ovens, and the gas chambers were created as a “humane” way to kill people.

        • nominay

          Uh, no he is not correct. And all the proof is out there on the internet, so everyone can make up their own minds.

        • Mott

          Uh, no, there is no proof.

          If you search, the only thing you can find people GUESSING that some MAY have actually “survived” the gas chambers and were completely unresponsive (appearing dead), and therefore MAY have been cremated while only unconscious…but these are only guesses…and therefore there is no “fact” here.

          I did find an (unconfirmed) story of a young girl surviving the gas chamber, and being taken away by the guards, allowed to recover, and her fate unknown. No facts here either.

          What was done was bad enough, but some felt the need to exaggerate (this came from U.S. anti-German propaganda originally) to make the Nazis seem even worse…why? Since then, its been used to shut down debate with the “no defending them” rule.

          Interesting that N’s icon pic is a picture of an ass. perfect.

        • Richie

          I here ya Mott remember the “Adolf Hitler was Jewish” craze, even jews recognize that some of their bs wont work http://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/pages/holocaust_misconceptions/65.php but they did sneak in some lies like “Jews are not a race”.

        • Mott

          Ritchie- Thankx for the link. Interesting. No J-soap, either. But I knew that.

        • They did try to make soap out of humans, but it didn’t work very well. And they were using mostly Poles, not Jews. I have some photos of that stuff, including bottles of the soap.

        • Mott

          Nomin-J, you are an idiot. The question was whether or not the crematoriums were used to burn people alive. The answer is no.

          Nobody disputes that Nazis killed some by burning them alive, when trapped in buildings, or possibly by being pushed into burning trenches, like it says on the site Nomin-J gave.

          The site he gives is also a non-corroborated account, and it admits that “confirmist historians” are skeptical of some of its claims.

          The link Ritchie gave is a site by Jews that says the soap thing basically didn’t happen. Sure, they may tried it an experiment, but I have read that they didn’t think anyone would want to use it, so they idea was dropped.

          So Nomin-J has been proven a liar again.

          The problem with this whole line of inquiry is…the Nazis Camp Guards did enough gross stuff that has been corroborated, but apparently some have always felt that people will believe anything about them, so they could embellish or maybe even make stuff up, and who would question it?

          The whole subject is gross. Disgusting. I will not participate further. Go, ahead, Nomin-J, make stuff up- no one cares.

        • nominay

          First of all, I never said that Jews were burned in crematoriums alive. I said said that you burn them in your oven when possible. It’s obvious that you have to chop them up into pieces to do this, so Jews don’t die in your oven either. I’ll give you this though – you do put them down humanely. You don’t have them chopped up alive, although there are times when you’ve wished to. I also said that there were Jews burned alive by Nazis to contrast your nonsense about the humane conceptions Nazis had on putting Jews to death.
          Second, I never brought up soap. I didn’t even know about the soap experimentation, although you might want to pick it up from where that was left off. The process is less messy than living, breathing human to bloody Jewburger.
          Third, I don’t take offense to being called Nomin–J.
          Finally, Jews were tortured in many ways imaginable. First hand sources from victims and soldiers have explained this since day 1.

  10. Pingback: Islam, identity, Geopolitics – Discussion continued from Robert Lindsay’s blog | occidentinvicta.com

  11. @ Mott, Cyrus, BAG, Mosh (if he’s still around)

    With Robert’s permission, I’ve created a thread on my website by pasting your comments into a post. We could move this debate there and away from our favorite resident Hinjew. Of course he is free to join us as well, so long as he behaves.

    If you fellows still feel like you have a few things to add, by all means come on over

    http://occidentinvicta.com/2013/08/12/islam-identity-geopolitics-discussion-continued-from-robert-lindsays-blog/

  12. Gary Gilmore's eyes

    Nobody care s what you think, MoscowEast. Thank you for contributing nothing at all but your dull little opinion. As you clearly have nothing to contribute, perhaps it’s time to fuck off. Just a friendly suggestion from Gary Gilmore.

  13. VicksNosedrops-Chestcold and Moocow east are likely the same person anyway

  14. Manny

    Derke the christian kills his wife and posts pictures on FB. Theres christian culture for you. Dirty christian culture.
    :P

    • Mott

      Spammy- That’s idiotic- Christianity (or lack of it) had nothing to do with this kind of crime. What it did have to do with with, probably, is culture- he is some sort of Hispanic (Puerto Rican?) and they have a macho culture which breeds domestic violence.

      She was Hispanic also (I think) and they (Hispanic women) have a much-deserved reputation as being feisty, getting into physical fights with their sign, others, and then staying in the relationship. This is a recipe for this type of killing. Non-Hispanic whites have much lower rates of this.

      Also, an argument could be made that if these folks, particularly the dude, were actually more pious and religious, (more church-going, more “Christian”) it probably would not have happened. I would surprised to hear that they were even devout, church-going Catholics.

      They were just hot-blooded Hispanic Med-types with maybe some Black blood even (if they are P.R.). Typical behavior for them, but domestic violence and killing is a universal thing, not tied to any religion.

      • Good post, Mott. Too bad you’re a pathological liar and rotten human being half the time.

        • Mott

          Fuck you, kike. You know what? I have decided I really do resent your insinuating about “your” ovens that “you” like to chop people up, etc. You’re calling me a mass murderer… a torturer?

          That’s slander in my book, you hebe. It’s also called fighting words, which means if you say it to my face, I have the right to knock all your teeth out. But since its the internet, you can say anything from the comforts of the dead log you’re living under.

          I suggest you take up a new handle- “Coward”- but that’s taken already…

          P.S. You are real “fired up” about the ovens thing, I’ll give you that!

      • Manny

        Of course its christian cultures..only christians practice the rituals of cannibalism..eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus.. Eeeeeeeww!

  15. I’m bewildered. I started reading to see if postings of a murdered body would affect commenters’ feelings about — well, about Facebook and its existential meaning in the post-20th century world, yada yada yada. Then comes the joker who doesn’t seem to have known the unhappy couple personally, making slanderous suppositions and jokey comments. And then it all launches into whether Muslims are big into family-murder more than others. I’m bewildered. The some exchange about Jews and leftist Nazis. What is the MEANING of it all? Is it true that the CIA has tricked us into revealing all so they don’t have to go to as much trouble?

  16. I’m making fun of you for how much you hate Jews, but you know that it’s wrong so you deny it. You deny being an anti-semite. How laughable. You love to hurl racial epithets at the drop of a cat, even when the subject of Jews is not germane to the discussion, but when I call you out on your red hot rage by stating your desire to eat Jews, you retreat and supposedly take offense. You’re Bozo the white racist clown.
    How does Jew taste btw? Is it better than dog?
    In real life, beating me up wouldn’t be enough. You would want to kill and eat my dead, half-Jewish body, heart first. At least you would want to kill me humanely, so that I could leave this world falling in love with you. I forgive you for your homicidal anger.

  17. Mott

    ‘drop of a cat” LOL!

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