Restitution Sought for Child Porn Victims

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Very interesting article about girls who were used to make child porn suing the men who downloaded the movies about them. They are collecting a lot of money in at least two cases. They especially like to go after child porn collectors who have a lot of money under the deep pockets theory of litigation.

The article discusses a lot of the legal controversies this is stirring up. There are legal thinkers on both sides of the fence arguing either that the child porn downloaders did no harm to the girls and hence owe nothing or that they did in fact harm them and hence can be sued.

One interesting argument said that if say 1,000 men were guilty of downloading a girl’s porn movie and the damages were $1 million, each man could only be sued for 1/1,000 the damages, or $10,000. This goes directly against deep pockets theory.

Both girls were abused by relatives, one by her father and another by her uncle. One of the girls’ movies has become legendary in child porn circles for the girl’s performance.

Persons collecting child pornography are doing heavy time these days. They are getting sentences of 5-25 years in prison, long terms that are in themselves controversial and which some view as excessive.

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16 responses to “Restitution Sought for Child Porn Victims

  1. Hussyfan

    A few days ago, an elderly architect was jailed for creating fictional child porn. He faces 10yrs in prison.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/li-architect-charged-kiddie-porn-article-1.1248246#ixzz2JMbx65NN

    With respect to the article, Nicole is her middle-name name. It’s funny that for many years, the mass media has been referring to this girl by her complete name (Kylie “Nicole” Freeman), or her stage name, Vicky, and now suddenly she’s called “Nicole”. Her story is quite well known and her videos were extremely popular, appearing even on many adult porn forums before being removed . I guess the media stopped using her full name because that might just incite people into using Google to find her videos. The dad, Kenneth Freeman, was a hyper-masculine bodybuilder who didn’t exactly look like a guy who couldn’t get sex and had to rape his daughter out of despair. She was 12yrs old when the sex started and looked quite jailbaity at the time, with deep, black hair and a naughty, girlish giggle. One of the reasons for the popularity of her videos is that her dad loved to organize role-playing sex games (such as the bondage video, which was a game and not real torture), and she was a natural actress who seemed to really enjoy it. Freeman never penetrated his daughter vaginally because he felt it was something she should give to her future husband. She is now in hiding due to the notoriety following her appearance on the true-crime show America’s Most Wanted. She’s also appeared on the Dr. Phil show several times.

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2008928541_webfreeman26m.html

    What makes her significant? Kylie is one of the first Child Porn millionaires, having accumulated immense amounts of money thanks to restitution payments from hundreds of imprisoned child porn collectors. That, I believe, is an immoral racket. The sickos who get off watching her videos are not harming any real children by doing so. The availability of child porn reduces the likelihood of actual children getting molested. Freeman initially fled to China before getting arrested by Interpol and extradited to the United States. He got 50yrs in prison without any possibility of parole. Though it is true that he manipulated her into consenting, he never used any physical violence or threats of physical violence: she visited her father out of her own volition when she lived with her single mother (who hated Freeman since their divorce). He told her not to tell anyone about it because, well, that would get him in prison, so that doesn’t count as a threat. When Kylie was 17, she with her mom and stepfather watched the film “Forrest Gump,” something that happened to one of the characters on screen suddenly triggered Kylie’s memory of a horrible thing that had happened to her. That’s when police say Kylie revealed to her family that her father had molested her six years earlier.

    Kylie is now wealthier than many Hollywood actresses. Child Porn pays big. Her father made her wealthy by making those videos. He couldn’t have done anything better to assure the financial success of his daughter. This is becoming a new way for fathers to “sacrifice” themselves for the sake of their daughters future success.

    • She was 12 when the abuse started? The articles says she was 9? Which is correct?

      • Hussyfan

        I don’t think there is any material of her that young. Though her father might have started when she was 9yo, there isn’t any evidence for it, AFAIK.

        I’ve heard of one video in which Kylie and a younger girlfriend were shown naked in a bathtub engaged in sex play. At one point she pees in the bathtub and they laugh about it. Unbeknownst to both, her father had a hidden camera set-up in the bathroom and was filming them. Child-abuse victims tend to be very inhibited sexually. A girl really traumatized by the abuse wouldn’t be doing sexual stuff with her girlfriend (unless she is Lesbian). I’m not saying that Kylie made up the allegations, but there seems to be more at play here. I didn’t see that video myself, but there are sites that list and describe the most popular child porn actresses and the videos in which they appear, in order to make it easier for pedos to find that stuff.

        As for the Amy girl mentioned in the article, isn’t it strange that she needed months of therapy before admitting to having been abused? They really had to work on that girl to convince her that her uncle was a scumbag.

        • Brengunn

          A girl really traumatized by the abuse wouldn’t be doing sexual stuff with her girlfriend (unless she is Lesbian).

          Distinctions like that are meaningless. A child may willingly engage in abuse and even physically like the sensations but it does’nt excuse the abuser. It’s a fact that sexual abuse haunts people and leads to all kinds of destructive behaviour that may not be apparent at the time of abuse.

        • I agree with Bregunn. A lot fo these guys end up damaged in one way or another. Who knows how or why this comes about, but it doesn’t matter. Fact is a lot of the girls get emotionally hurt, and we can even see it on brain scans. People think it’s a victimless crime, but in a lot of cases it’s not. I would not want it on my conscience that I helped ruin some female’s life as a girl and woman. I would feel as bad as if I raped her. These guys are often doing actual damage to these girls. People need to think about that.

  2. brahms

    “The availability of child porn reduces the likelihood of actual children getting molested”
    That statement is a real doozy; how do you think men fall into watching child porn in the first place? Since most are men, the idea of the abused becoming the abuser is out. Watching porn is the origin of the deviancy; the deviancy is created by the porn – a proven slippery slope which leads susceptible viewers to require darker and darker simulation. Sexual deviants, including homosexuals, are not born, they’re made.

    • Hussyfan

      Look, I’ve seen many legal torture videos on the internet, including crush fetish videos of animals killed and also videos of adults being beheaded or cut in pieces, like the recent “1 lunatic 1 icepick” recording. That hasn’t turned me into a murderous maniac.

      Some men who watch child porn eventually go on to become predators, but they are the minority. There many more men who have lost their desire to assault a child because child porn successfully quenched those sick desires. Back in the late 70s and early 80s, rogue police officers distributed large amounts of child porn which they had seized during raids. This has been documented by Judith Levine and others. Very few, if any, of those cops who illegally distributed (and whacked off to) huge quantities of child porn later went on to become predators.

      It’s not very well-known, but child porn possession (as opposed to production) was completely legal in the United States before 1978; hardcore child pornography magazines were sold openly in sex shops. Child abuse cases exploded after it was made illegal. And, interestingly, the nastiness of the material produced also increased after it was made illegal.

      • brams

        Not sure what to say – you watch that stuff? Your mind has already been transformed by it; this I know by your admission of being able to watch it (and enjoy it it seems). Take some time off from it, regroup. We have the ability to normalize whatever deviancy we choose, you are in charge here not the internet.

  3. Brengunn

    Did they have to describe the video as legendary? I can’t help but have my interest piqued. Same with the beheading videos, the curiosity gets the better of you. I’ll have to leave this one though, just in case.

    @Hussyfan,

    Your description of her feelings towards the abuse are significantly different to how it is portrayed in both the NYT and Seattle Times, where she is described as suffering great trauma and being on the brink of suicide. Also, her compliance as a ten year old does not absolve her father of wrong doing.

    • Legendary? For some reason, I do not think I want to see this.

      I will admit that I have stumbled across child porn on the Internet. Mostly in the form of photos, but in one case it was a video. It wasn’t particularly interesting tbh, and actually I found some of those photos sickening, offensive, and mostly just WRONG.

      TBH, I really don’t want to see any more of this stuff. I have seen enough.

  4. brams

    Robert, you have some real sickos on here. Why do you allow it?

  5. Jeffrey

    The FBI’s most wanted man in America is a child porn collector. Don’t they have bigger fish to fry? This man didn’t even abuse a child, if I’m reading this correctly. That’s just ridiculous.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Justin_Toth
    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/eric-justin-toth/view

    • It appears that he did in fact molest at least one kid and maybe more. Read the Wiki article.

    • Brengunn

      I just went through the Top Ten fugitives. To be honest, most of them seem like pretty ordinary criminals, thugs and murderers. I don’t know what criteria were used to elevate them to such a lofty list.

      There was a security fraudster and a couple of bank robbers but the rest seemed banal.

      Half the list is Latino, for some reason.

  6. Bob

    Does anyone have a link to the Dr. Phil videos Kylie appeared in?

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