The Development of Agriculture in Africa

Objectivity writes:

Sahel is in Caucasoid North Africa not Negroid Sub-Saharan Africa. Most scholars say agriculture came to Africa through Egypt and perhaps a lot more recently than you think.

Humans were simply not smart enough to think up agriculture until they endured the natural selection of the last ice age, which is why it emerged immediately after the ice age ended and only among Caucasoids/Mongoloids (the races who felt the ice age)

Objectivity really needs to get off this crazy HBD kick.

Much of Objectivity’s comments center around Mongoloids and Caucasoids being the superior races and all of the other human-niggers being part of the inferior races. He also points out that some Caucasoids are inferior due to mixing with various nigger-type races. This theoretical conceit leads up all sorts of crazy dark alleys that end in grotesque theoretical failure.

One of his conceits is that an inferior race cannot easily evolve into a superior race and that evolution of a superior race takes many thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of years.

From this he derives the notion that the superior Mongoloids could only have come the other superior race, the Caucasoids. They could not possibly have evolved from some nigger-type peoples.

However, the truth is much more difficult. The general consensus is that the Asian race had its birthplace in northern Vietnam and southern China ~52,000 YBP. At that time, these people looked like Aborigines, Negritos or possibly Melanesians. In other words, they were Australoids. All Asians were Australoids until 9,000 YBP. Australoid was simply the default human race in Asia. Starting around 9000 YBP, Australoids in the north of Asia transitioned to Mongoloids. How or why they did this is not known, but Caucasoid genes were not involved. The transition occurred later in the South of East Asia, with Vietnam transitioning around 2,000 YBP and Indonesia never fully transitioning all the way.

So Australoids -> Mongoloids all over Asia, from the north to the south, with full or less full transitions happening in secular fashion, the most recent and southern transitions tending to be less complete.

Objectivity cannot buy this because this means that an inferior nigger race called Australoids turned into a superior group of supermen called Mongoloids. Remember, niggers can’t turn into supermen. Only other Clark Kents can birth new men with S’s on their chests.

But the truth is quite different. So-called inferior races can indeed transition to so-called superior races. How? Natural selection, silly. And such a transition can occur over a much shorter period of time than the HBD’s are willing to contemplate.

The main reason that HBD’ers want to believe that genetic change takes forever is to feel better than Black people. People point to lower Black IQ’s and wonder if Blacks can catch up. HBD’ers, who have an extreme hatred for Blacks, laugh and say no way! It takes 10′s of millions of years to develop a super race, so niggers won’t be catching up anytime soon. LOL @ the niggers!

This is just another way to humiliate Black people. Not only are Black folks behind, but they will be behind far into the foreseeable future, with no hope of them ever catching up. HBD’ers are delighted in the belief that Blacks are doomed to terminal failure, a notion that sane people find depressing if true. That HBD’ers delight in one race permanently coming up last speaks volumes about their motivations.

Another thing is that Caucasoids themselves developed from two so called inferior races, Australoids and Negroids.

~40-45,000 YBP, 2/3 proto-Chinese (probably Ainuid Australoids) mixed with 1/3 proto-Africans (probably Khoisan types) to create Caucasoids. This mix occurred somewhere around the Caucasus.

Agriculture developed in several places around the same time:

Mesopotamia (IQ 84)
Egypt (IQ 84)
Africa (Sahel around Guinea) (IQ 70)
Mesoamerica (IQ 87)
Papua New Guinea (IQ 64)

None of the so called higher or superior races invented agriculture. It was all invented by so called lower or inferior races. As you can see, the IQ scores are not that impressive. And none of those groups went through an Ice Age. It does not take a lot of brains to figure out how to grow food.

“Scholars” who say that ag came to Africa via Egypt are all wrong. See my in Major and Minor Research Pieces about agriculture in Africa.

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18 responses to “The Development of Agriculture in Africa

  1. Bert

    “… HBD’ers want to believe that genetic change takes forever …”

    I don’t think they (we) do. I’ve read a good deal of HBD blogs, but don’t remember anyone being insistent that evolution must be slow. If anything, HBDers’ worrying about dysgenics indicates that they believe fast evolution is very possible.

  2. Karl

    the constant use of the word “nigger” is a form of bullying (typical of Leftists) to make it seem as though that racial slur came from his opponent’s mouth. It did not. Lastly, how does he explain the contemporary existence of Aboriginal people in Australia and Southeast Asia? Or does he want to put forth the proposition that “evolutionary pressure” was nil in the Outback?

    There is a “thinking man’s” look at evolutionary difference: http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us Written by an actuary. You know: the guys who get extremely well paid because they have proven that they can estimate the odds in a risk-situation correctly, at least 51% of the time.

    There is no claim that Africans are non-human. The claim is made that they are (varying degrees of) an evolutionary step below homo-sapiens; ie, homo erectus.. The “varying” comes in because there were waves of homo-sapiens migrations INTO Africa over the eons. If not, then it would be difficult to explain why Ethiopians and Somalis are distinctly different than west Africans.

    Homo erectus and homo sapiens ARE slightly different species. That they can interbreed is as unremarkable as that tigers can interbreed with lions; or that horses can interbreed with donkeys; or wolves with coyotes.

    Be that as it may, I will leave to Mr Lindsay the privilege of putting his money where his mouth is…. underwriting war risk insurance in Africa; or perhaps, crime insurance in Detroit.

    • I know the guy who wrote that book.

      He is *completely insane*!

      It is interesting the degree to which ultra-Zionist Jews (you) hate Black people so much.

    • Matt

      Homo Erectus is a *long* way off from homo sapiens. If any of them “walked among us,” there would be no mistake and no debate. It would be obvious to everyone.

      • RunswithScissors

        Robert, I was just wondering what you think the ratio of good well-researched, fairly objective science (genetics, physical anthropology, archeology, paleo-anthropology etc) to bullshit pseudo-scientific conjecture there is in the HBD scene. The more I read their stuff, the more I find myself leaning towards the latter, especially in the case of hard-heriditarians who don’t, in fact, have any real background in genetics.

        • It depends on the HBD’er making the claims. Guys like Steve Sailer and the Gene Expression guys were doing me very good work, but there are a lot of nuts and kooks in that scene who are throwing about a lot of nonsense. The very hard hereditarians in general are very difficult to take and almost all of them are pretty racist in some pretty ugly ways

  3. Brengunn

    I think they have a point though, evolutionary leaps coincide with mass death and a bottlenecking of the population which then turns into something else i.e a super race. In that context, Africans will be stuck where they are now because they have growing populations and an increasingly easy lifestyle. So I can’t see them wearing red capes any time soon.

  4. Mike

    Africa (Sahel around Guinea) (IQ 70)

    Just a quick correction of fact. Guinea is not in the Sahel, nor even particularly close. it is definitely sub-Saharan Africa.

    Mike

  5. I can’t see them wearing red capes any time soon.

  6. objectivity

    Much of Objectivity’s comments center around Mongoloids and Caucasoids being the superior races and all of the other

    First of all, please don’t use the N word. I find it extremely offensive and you embarrass and discredit yourself with such rhetoric, even when used to make a politically correct point.

    Now I have never claimed that my Caucasoid race is in any way superior. On the contrary, us Caucasoids are the only race that is NOT superior. Mongoloids are the new race (roughly 10,000 years old) and thus superior on advanced traits like brain size, IQ, mental stability, morality, parenting, nerdiness, etc, while the negroids are the old race (nearly 200,000 years old) and thus superior on primitive traits (genitalia, breasts and buttocks, muscles, testosterone, aggression, sexuality, sociability, charisma, musical rhythm, artistic creativity, athleticism, coolness, etc)

    Now us Caucasoids (roughly 30,000 years old) are in the middle of both extremes (though closer in evolutionary development to our descendants, the Mongoloids, then to our ancestors, the Negroids). Because us Caucasoids rank in the middle of both the primitive Negroids and the advanced Mongoloids on so many of the most important traits, we’re not really superior at anything, though having a balanced mix of primitive and advanced traits is optimum in certain circumstances allowing at-least the white branch of the Caucasoid race to have been instrumental in developing the modern world. Mongoloids are almost TOO evolved for their own good, and thus lacked the sociopathic aggressive opportunism to conquer and enslave Europe when they had the technology advantage do so.

    He also points out that some Caucasoids are inferior due to mixing with various

    Huh? When did I say anything about Caucasoids mixing? I said incipient Caucasoids (35,000 years ago) resembled mulattoes, because they were in the transition of evolving from Negroid to Caucasoid.

  7. objectivity

    However, the truth is much more difficult. The general consensus is that the Asian race had its birthplace in northern Vietnam and southern China ~52,000 YBP. At that time, these people looked like Aborigines, Negritos or possibly Melanesians. In other words, they were Australoids. All Asians were Australoids until 9,000 YBP. Australoid was simply the default human race in Asia. Starting around 9000 YBP, Australoids in the north of Asia transitioned to Mongoloids. How or why they did this is not known, but Caucasoid genes were not involved. The transition occurred later in the South of East Asia, with Vietnam transitioning around 2,000 YBP and Indonesia never fully transitioning all the way.

    I don’t doubt that the australoid branch of the Negroid race dominated Asia until 9000 YBP, however that in no way proves they are the ancestors of Mongoloids. On the contrary, the genetic evidence clearly shows that the australoid peoples split off from other non-Africans long before the ancestors of modern Caucasoids and Mongoloids split from each other.

    Australoids appear to be descended from the first wave out of Africa and by avoiding the cold, genetically preserved their Negroid heritage. By contrast the second wave out of Africa headed North and became the Caucasoids, and later reached the Americas where they became the Mongoloids, and by 9,000 years ago, some of the Mongoids left their ancestral Americas to largely replace the australoid peoples of Eastern Asia, while absorbing some australoid genes, particularly in Southeast Asia where IQ and brain-size are lower.

  8. objectivity

    Actually agriculture was independently discovered in 6 regions of the world:

    1)The Fertile Crescent 11,000 YBP (non-white Caucasoids who prior to the malnutrition of agriculture, had a mean IQ around 90). From the Fertile crescent it spread in 3 main directions: (a) to Egypt (8,000 YBP) and Ethiopia and then the rest of Africa, (b) into Antonia/Europe, and (c) into Iran and India.

    2) Yangtze River Basin in Central China about 9,000 YBP (Mongoloid: IQ 105) From there it spread to Southeast Asia, India, the Philippines and Indonesia.

    3) Mesoamerica (primitive form of Mongoloid)

    4) South America (primitive form of Mongoloid)

    5) Eastern United States (primitive form of Mongoloid)

    6) New Guinea highlands (hybridized Mongoloids (southeast Asians who had settled the coastal regions))

    So as you can see, almost every region of the world where agriculture was independently discovered was populated by some type of Mongoloid. The only reason Mongoloids were not the first to independently discover it, was they didn’t exist until about 10,000 years ago.

  9. objectivity

    The main reason that HBD’ers want to believe that genetic change takes forever is to feel better than Black people. People point to lower Black IQ’s and wonder if Blacks can catch up. HBD’ers, who have an extreme hatred for Blacks, laugh and say no way!

    while some (perhaps even most) HBDers hate black people, I have zero hatred of black people. I don’t even dislike black people. I can’t even think of a single black individual I dislike, but I bet you HATE every black republican. I’m attracted to HBD because it provides a fascinating, elegant, and organized way to understand the world.

    This is just another way to humiliate Black people. Not only are Black folks behind, but they will be behind far into the foreseeable future, with no hope of them ever catching up.

    That’s ridiculous. First of all Blacks could catch up in one generation if the smartest Blacks had an extremely disproportionate number of kids, however the level of selection almost never happens in nature which is why evolution is slow. Also, advances in genetic engineering could eliminate racial differences in IQ.

    This is just another way to humiliate Black people.

    Nothing I wrote is any way humiliating to Black people because I am talking about AVERAGE differences between the races, NOT individuals. There are some Negroids with IQ’s much MUCH higher than the average Mongoloid and there are some Mongoloids with sexual anatomy much MUCH larger than the average Negroid. Within each race there is ENORMOUS variability and everyone is an individual first and foremost

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