Bigfoot News November 27, 2012

“THEY’VE GOT THE BODIES!” Those of you following the famous Sierra Kills story often wonder what happened to the bodies of the two Bigfoots that were killed at Mt. Haskell, California, in the Sierra Nevadas on that cold and fateful fall day on October 10, 2010. Many have expressed disbelief that one or more of the bodies were not recovered on that day or on later trips to the site.

I can now report that no less an authority than Bobo Fay himself has said that two bodies were indeed retained from the Sierra Kills aftermath at some point, either on that day or most probably later.

About 8-9 months ago, Bobo was at a Finding Bigfoot meeting for the show he is starring in. Someone asked him about the Sierra Kills and asked why no bodies were retrieved from the site.

“No!” Bobo replied. “You don’t understand! They’ve got the bodies!”

This means that according to Bobo, both bodies from the Kills were retained at some point and are apparently being kept locked away somewhere for safekeeping.

According to the official story, Justin Smeja did not go back to the site until 3-4 weeks later when there was several feet of snow on the ground. After a day of digging through the snow, about 2 pounds of Bigfoot flesh was recovered. It was thought that this was from the adult male Bigfoot.

However, Scott Sandsberry, a reporter for the Yakima Herald newspaper, wrote a multipart series on Bigfoot last year. He conducted many interviews with all of the big players in the Bigfoot world. In the article about the Kills, Sandsberry stated unequivocally that after the Kills and before the digging in the snow trip, Smeja went back to the site “with a prominent Bigfoot researcher.” Note that this expedition has been elided from the traditional narrative.

In addition, Derek Randles states that he did not have the time or money to go back to the Kills site until 8 months later. But this cannot be true. Randles stated soon after he learned of the Kills, “We have a team ready to go down there tomorrow.” Apparently the expedition to the Kills site would be funded by Wally Hersom.

Bobo has made other hints that bodies were retained. In a recent episode of Conan O’Brien, Bobo was asked about the Sierra Kills. Bobo said, “The whole investigation is centered around those bodies.” This implies that both bodies were retained and are being used in the study somehow.

In addition, on the Joe Rogan Show, Bobo was asked by Rogan if the bodies had been retained from the Sierra Kills. Bobo hesitated for a few seconds, and his jaw seemed to drop. He started to say something, but then he stopped. He asked Rogan, “Um, can I talk to you after the show?” Rogan said sure. Then Bobo launched into a spiel about how no bodies had been retained.

As we can see, Bobo has implied on two occasions and openly stated on the third that bodies were retained from the Kills.

Obviously the bodies, if they exist, have been squirreled away somewhere. So who has them? I and my fellow investigators do not believe that either Smeja or Randles has the bodies. If anybody has them, it is probably Wally Hersom.

Why were the bodies squirreled away? If they exist, we think that the bodies may have been hidden in part to preserve Ketchum’s study. After all, revelation of the bodies would have killed Ketchum’s study once and for all by showing it up. So the bodies were secreted away so she could be the first to discover Bigfoot. After all, a race is on now, similar to the race to be the first to find HIV in the 1980’s. Then as now, many people want to be the first.

Another possibility is that Ketchum has a Hollywood publicist and a Hollywood lawyer working for her. These are very shrewd folks. They may have figured out that having Ketchum’s study associated with something as gruesome as the Kills, with two whole dead bodies, including a juvenile, horribly enough, was deadly for the study.

As one of my fellow researchers said, “They probably figured that those bodies were Kryptonite for her study!”

So in order to make something of the Kills, they sawed off a slice of the thigh of the adult male as a sample and stashed away the rest.

Assuming they exist, will the bodies ever see the light of day? No one knows. They may be hidden away forever, or they may end up being sold mysteriously to some millionaire in China.

Perhaps when things blow over and a deal of non-prosecution is signed for Smeja, they could somehow be revealed.

On the other hand, many players have insisted that no bodies were retained from the Kills. If the bodies later show up, they will be revealed as shame-faced liars. Derek Randles said, no doubt revealing his deepest fears, “I don’t want to be known as the guy who hid the bodies!” Sure he doesn’t.

But if they ever turn up, millions of fingers will point to him, and he will have a lot of ‘splainin to do. Randles and others’ reputations may be shot and may not recover. Any existing bodies may well serve best hidden away for a very long time.

Sierra Kills bodies may be used by Ketchum Project to determine which relict hominid Bigfoot is. I reported a while back that the Ketchum team was looking at a certain relict hominid known in the scientific record, and this is what they think the Bigfoots are. After I reported that, all Hell broke loose in the Ketchum camp, and a spy hunt ensued. Many people were thrown out of her Sasquatch Protection Group as possible spies. Clearly, that’s a sensitive issue with her.

However, how can it possibly make sense that they have a certain relict hominid, known to science, in mind? I know for a fact that they are comparing the Bigfoots to a known relict hominid documented in the scientific record.

There are only two ways they could have one in mind. One, via DNA. However, DNA has already ruled out Denisova and Neandertal, and those are the only two relict hominids that we have DNA for.

The only other way is by comparing skeletons or skulls. In order to do that, Ketchum must have access to Bigfoot body(ies), skull(s) or skeleton(s). I have no knowledge that Ketchum has access to any of those. Except, that is, for the Kills, which she may well have access to.

If she has access to the bodies from the Kills, they can look at those bodies and compare them with skeletons and skulls in museum collections. Once again, I figure Ketchum must have access to the Kills bodies in order to have a known relict hominid to compare the Bigfoots to.

I asked a deeply connected source that very question.

“If they can’t compare the Bigfoots to other hominids by DNA, then is the Ketchum team using Bigfoot body(ies), skull(s) or skeleton(s) to compare the Bigfoots to known museum specimens?”

My source turned oddly silent.

“I’m not going to answer that question,” he said darkly.

There you have it.

All Hell has broken loose with the revelation of the results from Dr. Melba Ketchum’s Bigfoot DNA study. One of the many questions is that if it is still in peer review, why did she issue a press release? In my opinion, the paper has been sitting in peer review in the US for 21 months.

For 7 of those months, I believe it was at Henry Gee’s Nature. It was handed back by Nature due to “no testable hypothesis” and lack of a zoologist on board.

For the next 14 months, it has been sitting at one or more US journals. It has gone through four major rewrites and many minor ones. I think that finally Ketchum has just given up on US journals and has decided instead simply to publish abroad, in this case in Russia.

Hence the release by Igor Burtsev and the Ketchum release that followed. I figure that the paper has been under review at some journal that Burtsev is associated with, and it’s going to pass review at that journal as a foregone conclusion. She’s going to publish in a Russian scientific journal in both English and Russian.

Ruckus about “angel DNA.” Indeed early versions of the paper contained not only references to angel DNA but also the Nephilim. The Nephilim references at least were removed in an early version as being a sure paper-killer. Whether or not the “angel DNA” references were removed in later versions is not known. I would certainly hope so!

One wonders why the angel and Nephilim references? Well, this is simply what Ketchum believes. As a fundamentalist Christian from East Texas, she has believed from the very start after she discovered that the Bigfoots were real that they had to be the Nephilim, the giants of the Bible. According to Genesis, angels came down from the heavens and mated with human women, thereby creating the a race of giants, the Nephilim.

Ketchum has been working this Biblical angle of the story for a long time. This was a huge source of friction between her and the late, great Richard Stubstad. He told me that she kept trying to fit the Bigfoot story into her Biblical beliefs. Richard kept telling her to please knock it off, leave the religion alone and just focus on the science, but she would never drop the subject.

Also she kept trying to convert Richard, and this was starting to make him mad. This led to the famous fallout between the two great Bigfoot researchers.

As recently as November 2011, I heard that the Ketchum study still had a strong fundamentalist Christian bent to it. Whether this was revealed in the actual paper itself is not known.

Ketchum made a strange admission in her press release about non-human, non relict hominid and non-ape DNA in the nuclear side of the Bigfoots. Non-human, non relict hominid and non-ape? What is it then? Wombat DNA? I wish I had an answer to this question, but I am as baffled as anyone else is. And I am fully aware that as worded, this scenario makes no sense whatsoever.

Mystery about DNA anomalies in the Bigfoot nuclear DNA. Apparently ~80% of the nuclear DNA is either human or in the hominid line. However the rest, 20% of it, cannot be found in any known DNA database, so Ketchum insisted on calling it “angel DNA.” Ketchum’s contention is that in the distant past, aliens, (the 20%) mated with man to produce a species of hybrid that they could use as workers here on Earth.

This is the “Annunaki” story that the UFO folks are so enamored of. Ketchum also contends that in order to keep their species as it currently exists, the Bigfoots need to mate with human females occasionally (this is the Mars Needs Women or King Kong scenario).

You will see similarities between Ketchum’s thinking and the book The Twelfth Planet by Z. Sitchen. Wally Hersom is said to love that book, and he encourages everyone he knows to read it.

I haven’t the faintest idea of any of this insanity is true, and for all I know, Ketchum may well be correct. The problem is that the theory is so over the top that obviously no serious US journal will publish it.

Wally Hersom was very upset at the paper when it was written up like this, even though he also is deeply invested in the “Bigfoots are aliens” theory. He felt that no journal on Earth would publish such a paper, and consequently he would see no return on his $200,000 he invested in the project.

In addition, Wally is still bound by an NDA with Ketchum so he can’t talk about any of this. Not only that, but he’s out $200,000. He thinks he got screwed, he’s mad as Hell, and he can’t even talk to anyone about it.

Wally Hersom is not a young man. He is actually over 80 years old, though he doesn’t look it at all. One wonders whether he is going to demand a return on his investment or whether he will just cut his losses and call it a day.

In addition to Hersom and Ketchum, David Paulides has long been telling everyone who will listen that Bigfoots are part alien. According to him, the Bigfoot nuclear DNA “goes back 30,000 years, and then it stops.” According to Paulides, that means the male line of the Bigfoots is from outer space. Paulides is also a deeply religious fundamentalist Christian.

Is Melba Ketchum nuts? I have been following this woman for a long time now. It’s true that she is a deeply religious fundamentalist Christian. However, that’s not in the DSM yet.

I do not see any evidence of mental instability in Ketchum. True, since she started habituating Bigfoots at her leased property in the region, she has had a lot of interesting and very unusual experiences.

But this is typical for habituators. Once people start investigating Bigfoots so deeply that they are in regular contact with them, all sorts of strange things start happening to them. To an outsider, it looks like the person has gone off the deep end, but I doubt it.

What I think happens is that when you are around Bigfoots a lot, you start experiencing a lot of the “something else” that many researchers talk about. This is the strange paranormal side of the Bigfoots. Perhaps they use infrasound to disorient folks. Perhaps they have psi or ESP abilities. There are all manner of odd reports. I haven’t the faintest idea of what exactly is going on, but I do think there is something paranormal about these Bigfoots.

Ketchum’s Bigfoot rape was not an actual rape. As I reported earlier to much condemnation, Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area.

I have now learned that she was fully clothed the whole time and wearing jeans. There is no way that a Bigfoot took her jeans off, raped her and then replaced them. Forget it. It now turns out that Ketchum does not think she was actually raped. Instead she was somehow “mind-raped” by a Bigfoot. I suppose that’s possible somehow (don’t ask me how), but it sure as Hell is weird.

Sierra Kills driver’s name is Jack Evans. I can now reveal the name of Justin Smeja’s driver on the Sierra Kills. Ro Sahebi recently did a nice interview with this young man, but Jack’s face was hidden. Jack’s first name has been released sporadically, but this is the first time his last name has been released. I figure Jack is a famous person now, a public figure. He chooses to go by the name of Jack Evans, so I will report that fact. He does live in the Sacramento area, near Smeja. I know more about him, but I won’t reveal it because it’s not important, and it’s basically private.

Robin Lynne, Ketchum’s new spokesperson, is a fruitcake. I told you above that people seem to go nuts when they start habituating these Bigfoots. Well this is surely true about Robin Lynne, a woman who lives deep in the woods in Michigan and claims to have a group of ~10 Bigfoots residing in and around her property. She feeds them fish, water, blueberry bagels, muffins and other goodies every day.

The truth is that other than her own assertions, Lynne has not provided the slightest bit of evidence that there are any Bigfoots at all on her property. People have stayed at her house, but they didn’t see any Bigfoots. Apparently Bigfoot doesn’t like to have his picture taken, so there are no photos. In addition, she has not provided us with any other evidence of their existence.

Lynne also says she communicates regularly with the Bigfoots via Mindspeak somehow. This certainly begs ridicule. How is she able to communicate with these Bigfoots? Do they speak English? I don’t get it.

The Science Blogosphere has gone nuts, literally, with the revelation of the Bigfoot study. There has been much ridicule of the Ketchum report all around, including, shamefully enough, by a number of famous youngish male scientists and journalists. I will single out Carl Zimmer, John D. Hawks, Lee R. Berger, Ben Hammersley, Greg Laden, and a number of others too numerous to even bother to track down.

Actually the behavior of these men is not unusual, and most of the female scientists and science writers are taking a similar line. The science crowd speaks with one voice.

Please do not write to any of these scofftics offering to clear up any questions they have about Ketchum’s paper. I already did that, and it was a great unpleasant big waste of time. They don’t want to hear any news, and frankly they are snide and hostile when you discuss it with them. Their minds are made up, and they don’t want to be confused with any facts. There’s no point discussing this paper or Bigfoot in general with any of these characters.

Much of the strutting, cavorting Heckl and Jeckl narcissism, overblown egotism and sheer, utter arrogance can be viewed here on Berger’s reprobate Twitter feed, where he and his jerky friends make complete idiots out of themselves falling all over each other trying to ridicule the notion of Bigfoots.

Berger even arrogantly offered $10,000, while his guffawing pals egged him on, to anyone who could prove that Ketchum was a real scientist and either prove Bigfoot’s existence or provide evidence of Bigfoot DNA. I wrote this swaggering clown and offered for Smeja and I to sell him a good sized piece of the Sierra Kills Bigfoot steak for the $10K. He wasn’t having any of it. Turns it he’s not going to part with his 10 grand after all. Disgusting. And wussy.

Many of these arrogant 35-50 year old swellhead males are paleontologists. Others are science journalists. Some are anthropologists, and others are biologists. Just the usual douchebags with PhD’s, egos big as baby universes.

Their behavior is disgusting and pitiful and reminds of why I am so sickened by mainstream science, which is truly a dead end fundamentalist belief system no different from a religion anymore. It pains me to say that Dr. Jeff Meldrum is one of the last true scientists on Earth. Isn’t that sad?

The scientists have been joined by other science writers such as professional scofftics Benjamin Radford and Sharon Hill of I Doubt It. The problem here is that Radford and Hill try to have it both ways.

For a long time now, Radford, Hill, the JREF crowd and many other science writers have openly and belligerently chortled that there is simply no such thing as Bigfoot. Again and again, they have ridiculed and thrown verbal missiles at anyone idiotic enough to even look for these creatures to try to study them.

The line is that Bigfoots obviously don’t exist, so there’s no need for science to investigate the matter since their nonexistence was settled long ago. In other words, they screech, this is a matter that should not even be studied. Those who dare to venture out to study these creatures are subjected to the worst harassment. Meldrum’s colleagues at Idaho State University have repeatedly tried to get him fired for having the temerity to study Bigfoot.

Radford and Hill are particularly degenerate in that they are scofftics posing as skeptics.

While they viciously attack anyone with their nerve to investigate this question, they somehow, nervously, often leave themselves an out now and again so that, if Bigfoots are ever discovered, as they obviously will be soon, they will be able to redeem themselves as open minded skeptics while the rest of the science crowd is eating crow, wiping the egg off their faces and generally being utterly humiliated.

The interesting scientist/writer Zen Faulkes takes a predictably snide approach like that of almost all his colleagues, but after I emailed him, he seemed to tone it down a bit towards the end of this then-updated post. Faulkes complains that the paper has not been peer reviewed yet, but then he says it never should have been sent out for review in the first place. That is, the public doesn’t have a right to evaluate this data.

After I informed him that no less a giant than Henry Gee apparently had the paper on his desk for 7 months, Faulkes seemed to tone it down. At the moment, he’s taking an exemplary approach to the matter, a properly open minded one.

Do the scientists even care that they are all about to be totally and utterly humiliated? Of course, those of us who are certain that Bigfoots exist (I personally would bet my life on it) know that soon they will be proven to exist by some dramatic evidence of one sort or another.

The scofftic scientists will kick and scream like mules no matter what evidence we uncover (I suspect even a body won’t be enough for them), but sooner or later, it is the nature of empiricism itself that all existing and readily proven truths will be revealed, and sooner rather than later.

With the Bigfoots, as John Bindernagel recently said, we seem to be reaching a critical mass of evidence, a tipping point. This is correct. At some point, the evidence will become overwhelming, and the immature defense of reactive denial will no longer suffice.

Will any of these paragons of ultra-arrogant science eat their words and say they were sorry? I do not think so. Prideful science is as it does; it will continue to strut about sociopathically without a glimmer or hint of guilt or contrition in its eye.

A “know it all” never admits he is wrong, nor does he feel bad when his lies are shown up, and the mirror reveals a fool. The proud apologize for nothing and never feel bad. Overbearing science will strut on, ready to mount the barricades of the next failing paradigm as the waves of truth slowly batter it away with the tides. But the fortress of ignorance and tradition must not fail.

Robin Lynne has no sample in the Ketchum study. The scofftic crowd is referencing my article to misread it to state that Robin Lynne has a sample in to Ketchum’s study, and it’s that sample that the study is based on. This is not correct. Lynne has no sample in to the study.

Kitikaze of JREF faked the Elba River trackway. According to posters on Bigfoot Forums, the hoaxer who hoaxed the Elba River fake Bigfoot prints in Washington State recently was none other than Kitikaze, notorious scofftic from JREF forums. Another notorious scofftic poster is suspected of assisting this turkey in his nefarious deeds. It’s bad enough that these dips are scofftics, but now they are hoaxing? Good God, how depraved can you get?

Pennsylvania Bigfoot video. The video below was recently released to much scorn. However, I do feel that this may in fact be an actual Bigfoot in the film, although it’s hard to make it out well. There are certain things about it that most hoaxers don’t get right. Slowed down and enhanced by Phil Poling.

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107 responses to “Bigfoot News November 27, 2012

  1. Check

    Juicy juicy juicy! Outstanding report there Robert, thanks for all you do. Things are obviously heating up, and I’ve got my popcorn on the ready!

  2. Sitchin’s book is titled The Twelfth Planet.

    Crazy stuff, man, I remember writing you a while back and saying they had to have more than that scrap of meat. Just sayin’. :)

  3. vergearuker

    Yeah!!!! Tasty news!(No pun.) If those bad little boys do in fact have carcasses they are sitting on a stink pile O’ $$$$$! I can’t help but think of that video “Alien Autopsies” only being real. This is something that should be sat on for a bit.
    I saw the Minnesota Iceman at the State fair back in 68′.It vanished by the way side. God help this mess if it’s true.Good work and good hunting Robert, Keep on it!

  4. iKon

    Christians involved? I just lost all ‘faith’.

  5. Just heard Paulides from Sunday’s C2CAM and he said that “Angel DNA” was never mentioned in any of the submissions, he was quite adamant. Could it have been the case that someone was relating Ketchum’s views but that she knew better than to include them in a submission?

  6. Mre2me

    DOOOOD!
    I never for a second believed JS didn’t at least take the juvey body.
    Gotta love that Bobo. Curious to see if he rebuts any of these claims.
    If I ever see that guy walking around in public , I want to haul him off to the nearest licensed establishment. Pour some truth serum down his throat, then sit back and listen in awe.
    Personal theory on “habituators” – Schizo.
    Needy , lonely , unstable folks who grasp onto a mysterious , exciting phenomenon. Then play it off for attention, knowing full well they will never have to prove anything.
    They tales become fantastic, Bigfoot wearing clothes, Bigfoot smoking, Bigfoot carrying on long mental conversations… among other things….
    It’s like they let their fantasies lull them into a fugue state , were they can fully indulge their mental instability.
    I do believe in BF, but the stories being told by some “habituators” , with the *patented* no proof required angle , are , well. .. juvenile.
    It’s like when a 4 year old lies to you, you can tell their lying, but they’re gonna be fully invested anyway.

    • Mre2me

      Also, thanks for the update. Nobody stirs a pot as we ll as you
      Mr. Lindsay !

    • vergearuker

      Don’t leave out “Garlic.” From the Carter farm.Next time give him spray “OFF”.

    • why do you think that proof is required? lets say you have some friends that got into some trouble with some unscrupulous individuals. would you put your friends in harms way by disclosing certain information that could lead said unscrupulous individuals to your friends location? thats just the way some , i’ll use your term “habituators” feel about the sasquatch. if you want to try to connect with a sasquatch or sasquatches find an area that has a potable water supply, a source of protein and sufficient cover for sasquatch, go out at night and sit in the woods and play a radio, sing, whistle whatever. chances are you may have an encounter. and if you have the balls to stick it out you may come to realize why these people dont feel the need to prove anything to anyone.

      • Mre2me

        Why do I think proof is required ? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Common sense.
        1) If someone tells you a grandiose , impossible story- you want something to back it up. Especially over the interweb.
        2) If these idiot “habituators” really wanted them left alone (If their bs was true) they would not be on the interweb bragging about fantastic encounters.
        3) You are completely full of shit. I have been in the woods, alone at night , playing music and singing and seen or heard Sweet F.A. I don’t know why you think the chances are that high.

        Good Day sir !

  7. Jim

    Robert.
    Do you really think that unless a body or two is slammed down a table in front of these sold-called “SCIENTISTS” that they will ever be open to the concept that they missed a large hominod living among us? I say “sold-called” because that is what this is about. Money. Once this study comes out, and mainstreams, the money will go to research on bigfoots. No more grant money for their pet projects.What amazes me is that we have either a large undiscovered animal or indiginious peoples living among us and they do not care.
    Has this country deteriorated to the point that money is more important than science, adventure, and new discoveries.

  8. Mac Encheez

    Robert, once again, you are the man! This might be your best post yet: Great writing, interesting observations and soon-to-be-proven-true theories bring this pot-boiler to a scalding crescendo. Can’t wait to see what unfolds in the next chapter of this amazing drama. Bravo, sir!

  9. Outstanding again Sir!! The BF world is definitely in a wild state of affairs. Thanks for keeping us informed!!!

  10. Also,,just thinking aloud here,,this may have been mentioned before by someone and I missed it. Wasn’t it some people’s interpretation that the end the of the Mayan calendar,,instead of being doom,,was to be a new age of thinking,,enlightenment and such. It hit me earlier,,, if these findings are announced around then,,could this be connected in ways??
    Thanks again and looking forward to the next news!

    • Interesting thought Mr. Shaw. Never thought of that context and possible correlation.

    • I can’t possibly put my real name on this post ;) but that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking is going on–the discovery of Bigfoot is some sort of synchronicity connected with the beginning of the new epoch. It’s not just the Mayan calendar that’s rolling over–the Age of Pisces is ending as well. Personally I think it would be great if Bigfoot was somehow able to cause the downfall of the world domination of the Abrahamic religions, and, while he’s at it, fulfill the promise of the 1960s (which had too much Gaia and not enough Wildman IMO) but I don’t really see how yet. Let’s stay tuned, I guess. The plot may thicken.

  11. Joerg Hensiek

    A Russian journal? Ok, but if it is a journal that Burtsev, an outsider even in the Russian scientific community, is associated with, this would be really an anti-climax!! But my bet would be still on “Nature”. The editor-in-chief of this journal devoted his whole editorial to the issue of “cryptozoology” after the discovery of Flores man, I cannot believe the journal would miss such a big chance. They certainly said, go back and do your homework properly, but I cannot believe they missed out on this…especially if it turns out that there are bodies (what I cannot believe, but then again, would Smeja have been stupid enough not to take home the body of the juvenile sasquatch??!)…

  12. Good evening Mr. Lindsay. You may or may not know of me , and the involvement that i have had in this field for sometime now as i am only loud , and outspoken when i feel it is necessary. I am writing you now because you have been one among a few whos posts, vids , and work i have followed quit closely since i began my work in this field after a face to face encounter with the Bigfoot species. I must admit the above article is extremely well written i may not have in the past agreed with everything you have said or even now concerning the above article, but that is not why i am writing. The talent you posses as far as being able to capture an audience with your enthusiasm dedication, and attention to detail is in itself inspiring.Oh , and you have a great voice in your vids very calm , assuring, and soothing. As far as i am concerned on the topic of Bigfoot i noticed habituate-rs was mentioned above let me just take a moment , and throw a different spin on things for you if you dont mind. Habitual hoaxers, folks who lie for the attention , and run with it despite the eventual discovery, and fallout including particular field researchers, bloggers, big business opportunists ,and the decision making scientists hell bent on the need to not recognize positive proof of existence within the eyewitness es, and proof supplied through others. these folks are the most dangerous kind of habituators to the field of discovery.They do this so they will have something to continue to argue about, make money off of , or they dont give a damn because they dont get to take yet another living thing dissect, and cut into little pieces so they can see what makes it tick.These are the folks that have been the habitual road block for many of us who are legitimately putting the Bigfoot species need for recognition , and protection first. I dont care who gets paid, i dont care who gets the attention i see a species that requires respect, recognition, protection from cut happy scientists , and criminal poaching activity. Despite whatever drives Dr. Ketchums work, despite the wild emotional trauma she may have suffered like myself , and many others who have had class A encounters or what is being said about physiological make up, it must be comprehended that these things are irrelevant at this point in time and, can be argued about some other time .The fact that the Bigfoot Species is being brought to the public by someone who is a Director of diagnostics in her field works in animal anatomy , and forensics is a key win for those of us looking to get started on protective laws, and rules concerning how non invasive studies may proceed. I have decided to like you Robert you are a talented , and intriguing individual. At this point i will take a win for Bigfoot, and the fact that folks like me can be justified in our claims in our own lifetime no less is something that requires celebration not continued assaults by jealous factions , Christian haters, or over the top skeptics who wouldnt recognize the truth if it smacked them upside the head a dozen times. I am not pointing any fingers at you, i simply felt that it was time i spoke to you. Thank you for your time have a great evening Sir.

    • kAY

      Well said Robby….there’s so many liars and hoaxers out there that cry wolf and obscure the truth that when a genuine encounter happens and some one dares come forward they get lumped in with the pack and aren’t taken seriously , and even face ridiculed . In our supreme court testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses is acceptable in court….there’s just too many decent eye witnesses for educated scientists to ignore or take lightly.
      Nice to have a site that’s trying to be factual …and hear from intelligent people too !! K.K.

  13. Drapetomania

    ” After all, revelation of the bodies would have killed Ketchum’s study once and for all by showing it up”

    There never were any bodies..so how can there now be bodies.? :)
    Its a great hoax though pushed by different people for fun.And..in the real world..the bodies would have strengthened ketchums work..but..in the real world..ketchum would have produced a paper years ago.Instead..we have “leaks” and “science” by facebook posts…and…NOTHING.
    Seriously..people would have to have the critical faculties of a fish to believe any of this tripe.
    No Bodies..NO Paper..
    The debacle rolls on helped by this web site..

  14. I agree about not being taken seriously if posted in a Russian journal. Robby, would you mind telling us the details of your class A sighting?

  15. John

    About the hesitation on the Joe Rogan show, Bobo was only talking about the fact that Smeja and his buddy had been drinking, and that they had just seen a game warden, and that they had probably been poaching. It really didn’t have anything to do with the bodies being retrieved.

  16. Caz

    When Ketchum says she is trying to compare them to the known fossil record, my guess is that she means this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/03/120314-new-human-species-chinese-plos-science-red-deer-cave/

  17. Holy shit .. this Bigfoot story is blowing up BIGTIME – everbody is finding out who Melba Ketchum is now.

  18. There were *13* separate labs involved.

  19. GeorgiaBee

    Robert,
    I absolutely love your Bigfoot updates. Your track record (of being right ultimately) speaks to your credibility and your ability to vet your sources for accurate information. I especially liked your insightful commentary on the science community and their disdain for all things Bigfoot. I run in circles with lots of Academics and although most are great people, they don’t call it the Ivory Tower for nothing. Lastly, the evisceration of Ketchum et al. by “Scientists”, media persons, and laypeople who are all working from erroneous assumptions makes me a little sick. I can’t say whether she is wrong or right, but these attacks on her personally such as calling her a “kook”, maligning her friends and associates, and sneeringly referring to her as just a “cat vet” make me a little sick. Why would she or anyone for that matter subject themselves to this kind of ridicule and character assassination if they did not believe in the veracity of their research? I wish so called scientists and the media would be a little more circumspect at least wait until they read the paper before they belly laugh all over the web about this study.

  20. JustAskin

    When Melba stated non-human, NON-RELIC HOMINAD, non-ape. Doesn’t that simply mean not Neaderthal or Denisvon. How could she confirm that it is not Erectus or any other DNA we don’t. I don’t understand the Alien/Angel talk. What am I missing?

    • Apparently that means the DNA is:

      Not human

      No known relict hominid

      No known ape

      That actually makes a lot more sense tome.

      Ketchum believes in the Nephilim theory. That’s her private belief based on her religion, but I hope to God she kept that out of her paper.

      • JustAskin

        Completely agree with that point.I just want to know the truth reguardless if main stream buys it. I will decide for my self based on the evidence on what I believe. But if the Nephilim theory is involved, I fear it would slow down the whole process of getting the hard evidense out.— BTW thanks for sharing your info with the rest of us. I find myself checking this site daily.

  21. mitchw

    If we are to accept that Ketchum has Nephilim notions, then maybe more devout people will not feel that the Paper challenges their faith. Perhaps the presence of Nephilim in the Bible will expand the acceptance of the science.

  22. Andres

    Robert this is one of the most enjoyable article I have read from you. Please keep shining the light for those in the dark. Thing could be better if most people were to use this tool as you do.

  23. Robert,

    As a geologist and a paleontologist I suppose I’m in the “scientist” camp that you seem to despise so deeply. Nevertheless, I hope Ketchum’s article is published so that I can read it. I never draw conclusions without looking at the evidence first, and the way the findings were arrived at (i.e. the methodology).

    One cautionary note; DNA analysis of hair samples is very reliable (i.e. the keratin in the hair actually preserves the DNA quite nicely, even in animals that were frozen millenniums ago, like Wooly Mammoths); however we are now finding out that molecular phylogenetics (i.e. based on DNA) and morphological phylogenetics (based on physical characteristics) don’t necessarily add up. The other thing about this study that is very strange is that she “nails” the date for the hybridization as 15,000 years BP. This is odd, in that molecular studies can only give a date “range”, which can span thousands, if not millions, of years.

    Does Sasquatch exist? I don’t know, and would never be so arrogant as to say “absolutely not”. Any hack who says they “know” Sasquatch doesn’t exist is just that, a hack.

    Regards,
    R. K. Denton Jr.

    • I don’t despise you at all, sir, and I don’t despise mainstream science either. It’s just that all I hear out of that Camp is that they are insistent that there is no such thing as Sasquatch.

      I greatly appreciate your open mind about this question. Those scientists who display your mindset about this question have my 100% support.

      True skepticism says maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not. Prove it. This appears to be the line you are taking. It is right, proper and correct. Kudos to you sir!

      • Andres

        Robert, nowhere in your article can one deduct that you despise the scientist camp. What I do deduct is that science most be use with an open mind, no limitations or bias conceptions.

      • That was a gracious reply Robert; thank you.

        Something else to ponder. If Sasquatch does exist, and is in fact a member of the genus Homo (i.e. a “hominim”), then the taxon exhibits a very strange character, and that is, it has hair (or fur), covering its body. This is very strange, as this would be what we call in vertebrate paleo a “reversal”, in that we assume a synapomorphy (a shared, derived character) of all members of the genus Homo is hairlessness, which we would have inherited from our most recent common ancestor. Now we don’t know for certain that all members of the genus were in fact hairless, as we only have fossil bones for most of them. But we do know that Homo neanderthalensis made clothing, and probably wore some sort of footwear, based on cave finds.

        Now here’s the “rub’ so to speak. If this creature was descended from a human mating with an alien life form you’d think it would manifest physical characteristics that were more advance (i.e. derived), not primitive. Hair thickly covering the body is a synapomorphy of all primates (primates do not have “fur”, there’s a difference); in Homo the hair is very sparse, giving the appearance of hairlessness. Many apes are born with a very thin covering of hair, which thickens as they get older. Thus, our seeming hairlessness is neotonous (i.e. the retention of a characteristic from the fetal stage). If we look at renditions of “aliens”, they almost seem like human fetuses (i.e. enormous eyes, large heads, completely hairless), and thus would be even more neotonous than we are. So I have a hard time imagining that the offspring of a human mother and an alien father would reverse the evolutionary process and become more primitive, follow me?

        RD

        • RKD,

          Given the dissonance you’re addressing, perhaps we should be thinking outside of the box? outside of the box

          Regards,
          Nominay

        • some guy

          hi – just a layman here, but my comment on hair is that we are in fact (as humans) almost completely covered in hair, it has simply become very fine and short. i THINK i understand that under the right conditions a gene is triggered to stimulate thicker hair growth – starvation i think is one trigger. the other thing i think i know is that there is some re-assessment of the hairiness of neanderthal and other homins – early depictions of them always assumed less hair like us but the fossil record does not preserve their actual hairiness or not. I think. It has been interesting to note that descriptions of this putative creature describe hair and not fur.

        • The part about mating with aliens never made any sense.

          I don’t agree that all prior Homos were hairless. We are hairless, but we really don’t know about the rest. Maybe they were hairy, maybe they were not. Perhaps H.s.s is the only hairless Homo.

        • honyok

          @ Robert
          I agree – the alien connection is really far out at best.
          Now talk about being hairy- Have you ever noticed how some people are a whole lot hairier that others. Which reminds me of a little rhyme we used to sing in
          Anthropology 101.

          “HAIRY ARMS AND HAIRY HANDS
          ARE A SIGN OF MONKEY GLANDS”

          LOL – CHEERS

    • honyok

      @ R.K. Denton Jr.
      your last sentence reminded me of a philosophical statement that was once made about proving or disproving the existence of Sasquatch.
      “There is no feasible way that anyone can ever prove that Sasquatch does NOT exist
      They can only prove that it does” (if that is possible)
      A profound statement indeed. Oh and. by the way excellent post, please continue to share more of the same with us in the future.

  24. Drew82

    tweet from Joe Rogan today

    Joe Rogan ‏@joerogan
    By the way – I call bullshit on this recent Bigfoot DNA study. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/bigfoot-dna-proves-creature-exists-genetic_n_2199984.html … Let’s see how it pans out, but remember I called it

    • DrTikki

      Obviously you are on this site which means that you have an interest in the Bigfoot yourself or you would not be on here. It does not take science to prove your motives. There are many things you may never understand but one thing is certain and that is your mind believes in the possibility or you would not be looking for evidence. This website is a blessing to those who know that Bigfoot exist, would we like physical proof? Absolutely just to shut up people like yourself.

  25. some guy

    also, i’m disappointed in the religious angle but I find it fascinating that there are fundamentalists out there doing crypto research – in new guinea for example. they are doing it for their own strange flawed agenda in my book, but possibly serving some good purpose. in the broadest sense i applaud the return of the amateur scientist.

  26. Robert, I came across your site giving news about BFs about a month ago. You sure have me watching it for more news. Keep it up.

    No need to post the following, but you have a couple misspellings:
    The Twelfth Planet is written by Z. Sitchen (you have G. and an extra T)
    You left out a G in Rogan’s name in that paragraph.

    Thanks!

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  29. Rotten Stinkins

    I’ve been going over all of the other sites and news networks for hours this morning. Everything I’ve read so far has been total crap until now. Thank you Robert for posting such a great read. Can’t wait for the next installment!

  30. lee

    Great report Robert, amazing stuff!

  31. GM

    Great post Robert. There is an Australian version/race of bigfoot called Yowie. As a matter of fact no primate species other than humans ever reached Australia. Dry Australian climate condition cannot support a six foot plus tall species of ape that needs at least 10K to 20K calories of food to support its enormous size. I do not think if there is any natural explanation for the existence of this species in a semi-desert continent like Australia. Bigfoot could be a super natural being.

    • Andres

      This is a very good point, but I don’t agree with the super natural hypothesis. No land bridge here. Wonder how far south or how far north the Ice caps cover the Earth in the last Ice age maximum. Could they have move thru Indonesia and the lower sea level, since much water was trap in the Ice. The evidence suggest the reality of the Yowie but how they got there? Wonder if Robert could bring some inside on this.

  32. Gerard

    To me it makes no sense; If there were bodies there is no reason to keep them from anyone. No one is going to wait for some scientist to publish DNA-studies before the bodies would be revealed. This is not how such a discovery would go about.

    Also: The study was set out to prove that Bigfoot exists; Even if the study is no longer required to prove this in case the bodies are revealed, it is not like the DNA study is going to suddenly be completely irrelevant. It is still interesting to know what the DNA tells us about the origins of the creature!
    So, this is why I expect in fact that no bodies have been retrieved.

    To Ketchum’s personal beliefs; She is obviously not professional enough to separate her personal beliefs from the scientific work. It really makes you wonder if her approach can be scientific at all.

    She should have sticked to the facts. Even if those are few. In science you only need a single fact that can not be explained away by something else to make for an interesting publication. One that will get you new grants for further investigation. There is no need to postulate any supernatural origin of these creatures. Doing so just makes you look like an amateur.

    • Maurice Cloud

      Good points Gerard. DNA will indeed not “prove” anything, but it can nonetheless be catagorised as compelling. The “proof’ will only come in the form of type specimens, a reality which casts further suspicion on the circumstances around the so-called Sierra Kills incident. If bodies there are then no-one and nothing are being served by keeping them on, erm, ice. The obsessional secrecy that surrounds this investigation is perhaps only matched by the out of control egos of many of the participants. Cheers!

      • Wherever those bodies are, they are where they need to be right now! That’s all I have to say. Leave them be exactly where they are.

        What would be totally awesome is if the bodies could somehow be released in some way.

        1. Ketchum DNA study.
        2. Erickson video
        3. 2 type specimens

        Fucking bingo! 1-2-3 punch! We have proved that the damn things exist!

        Obviously it is going to be very difficult to release those bodies at this point. The release is going to have to be very carefully controlled in some manner. There are just too many sensitive issues involved, too many egos to be bruised, etc.

        But I really hope that those bodies can somehow be released in the most sensitive way possible at some point in the future.

        But on the other hand, they may never see the light of day. They may just get burned somewhere. Or they may show up sold to some Chinese millionaire to $3 million with no trail on how he acquired them. Or they may stay locked away in a freezer forever.

        • Robbie Shaw

          Robert,,I think what you described would be a great scenario. And I totally agree if the specimens could be released for the best interest of the species,,hell yes. Why not? I’m afraid the story(s) of how they arrived may foul any good that may come. However,,I’m still hoping for the good scenario! Thanks and have a great weekend!!

  33. Meldrum is an arrogant ass, just another douchebag with a PhD. But let’s give credit where it’s due. I think he also will go down in history.

  34. Joerg Hensiek

    I have nothing personal against Meldrum. He certainly will get his fair share of glory. I just wanted to express my belief, that Ketchum – if the paper really gets published in a high-class journal, some of her team members are well-known experts in the field and her methods are solid as a rock – will be remembered as the one who really brough BF research into “mainstream” science. And I certainly did not meant to include great persons like Bindernagel, Krantz and Co. in the category “Medrums of this world”. Without them there certainly wouldn`t be any “Ketchum Project”. A last word about Meldrum: he made the strategic mistake to care too much for footprints etc. instead of initiating the first DNA study. A DNA study will impress the general public much more than a million of footprints – I am absolutely sure about that.

  35. some guy

    2 things quick – not sure if there was a land bridge to australia, but that whole area of shallow sea had a lot more dry land in glaciated periods. also, australia was apparently much more forested. there is some thought that aboriginal peoples used fire to such an extent in driving game that they actually denuded huge areas. last, ( ok 3 things) the richness of philosphical and scientific questions that spring from this topic is what makes me keep coming back to it over and over.

  36. JustAskin

    RL- Do you have any updates on The Erickson Project actually releasing their film? They said they where waiting on Ketchum, but know I wonder if they are even involved anymore? And…. Java Bob had stated in an interview last spring that when they “left” the Ketchum study, they gave their samples to a larg U in England. This was before Oxford made their request for samples! So I assume Ketchum and Sykes tested at least some of the same material. Hollywood could make quite a movie of all info, leaks, and flat out lies that have come out of this story for the last five years. I would watch it! So the most important question I have. Who will be the actor selected, to have the honor of, playing the role of RL?

  37. Mr.E2me

    Robert Redford ? Tom Selleck ?

    • Mr. E2me

      The two suggestions above because this is very much a cloak and dagger -like game yur playing with the BF “experts” and I thoroughly enjoy the “secret squirrel” aspect being played out.
      . R.R. as the agent in spygames and TS cuz, well, he played an investigator.
      ANYWHO… over there on that BE page , all them all , been sayin all y’all
      said that Melbs is involved with the possession of a body ?
      Is this in association with one of the ones JS has on layaway or other “samples” entirely ?
      veddy intriguing…

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  42. RK

    Thank you for this article. Personally, I am in step with Melba Ketchum on the Nephilim theory. For that matter, so is Ron Moorehead. Like everyone else, I’m curious to see how this will unfold. – Bob

  43. DrTikki

    Mr. Lindsay thank you so much for your intellectual insight into the Bigfoot saga. I am a new believer, I never gave it to much thought before I have just always heard that it’s a myth just like the Locknest Monster. However I have read your articles and many others too many to name. Most refer to you as an expert in the area. There are so many people who refuse to believe and I find it important that people believe that these Bigfoots exist so why can’t man catch one? We have the ability to catch everything else that we want including the most sophisticated of them all (man kind). We have trapped every animal under the sun to study. There has to be a way to catch Bigfoot . There are so many non believers and so many Bigfoot enthusiast I would think that somebody would just do it to shut up these nay sayers. We caught Bin Laden for peace sakes. There is so much information available about their habitat, why is it so hard to catch?

    • 1. Everyone says that they do not exist.
      2. Therefore, no one is trying to catch one.
      3. Only the state can catch one of these things, and the state says that they don’t exist.
      4. They’re people. They are not animals.
      5. They are very, very hard to catch anyway, even if the state tried to catch one. They are very strong.

  44. Namita

    I’m getting interested in this Big Foot thing. Time to read up on it! Thanks for the article.

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  46. Erickson wanted DNA to prove his movies. He looked high and low, and asked an army of geneticists, but they just said no. Melba was not their first pick at all, but she was the only one who would do it. They had no choice but to go with her.

  47. Joerg Hensiek

    Wacko Floozie? Dr. Ketchum is a past three-term Chairperson of the International Society for Animal Genetics Equine Genetics Standing Committee. She has also been Dog Map Chairperson and a Committee member on the Dog and Cat Parentage Committee. She is a former Treasurer for AFDAA, The Association of DNA Analysts and Administrators. She aided in the analysis of the DNA sequences from the World Trade Center Disaster.

    Not bad for a wacko floozie?! And why don`t we just wait for the publication? After that we still can humiliate her..at least she is the first bigfoot researcher who made it onto Good Morning America :-)! I am sure she will make an impact…more than all the Meldrums of this world together..

  48. Joerg Hensiek

    Dr. Meldrum did say that? this shows more about Meldrum than about Ketchum…

  49. Fly By Night

    We all know what really happened.
    Melba Ketchup gave Bigfoot a little trim and he fell in love and has now given her an exclusive.
    There are a few of us out here that can read between the lines.
    “Beauty an Beast” in real life.

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