Repost from the old site.
Very interesting article by Nadim Shehadi, a Lebanese economist, written after the Lebanon War in 2006. In contrast to the raw anti-Semitism that animates so much anti-Israel sentiment in the Arab World (let’s be honest now – it’s a fact), this article makes some very reasonable points.
First of all, Shehadi has argued that the Zionist dream has failed. Keep in mind that Herzl dreamed of a Jewish state that would end anti-Semitism by separating Jews from Gentiles, because the two could not live together due to the innate or at least timeless hatred of the Gentile of the Jew. Keep in mind that Herzl was speaking from the point of view of a European Ashkenazi Jew.
Herzl, an Austrian journalist and the founder of modern Zionism, was a secular Jew who originally was an originally an assimilationist. However, the Dreyfus Trial in France in the late 1800′s shocked him and convinced him that the Gentiles were doomed to forever hate the Jews. He felt that it would be better for both parties to just separate.
In Herzl’s dream, the Jewish state would gather the Jews from all around the Diaspora. Since living together caused anti-Semitism, separation would end it. The Jewish state would be at peace with its neighbors and Jewish-Gentile relations would be harmonious.
By all accounts, Herzl’s dream lies in ruins. Zionism has not resolved the Jewish Question, as its founding has caused four wars, two wars in Lebanon and continuous guerrilla war in the area surrounding Israel. It has arguably contributed to two wars against Iraq, bombing of Libya and the general spread of Islamist terrorism in the region.
Israel has been a disaster. Surely it’s no safe haven for the Jews. Most Jews are safer in the Diaspora, especially in the US. As recently as last summer, there were 13 homicidal attacks against Jews in and around Israel every single day (and that does not count the Lebanon War). In the war on Lebanon, Israel essentially destroyed the state of Lebanon, at least in terms of infrastructure.
As Shehadi notes, if the only way Israel can survive is by destroying the neighborhood, why doesn’t Israel just pack up and go? We can argue forever about the reasons why Israel’s presence in its current state causes so much animosity, but reasons don’t really matter. The truth is a Jewish state is not wanted in the region and its creation created a huge number of refugees whose lands were taken and are forbidden from returning.
As Shehadi notes, Israeli paranoia is not justified. Three Arab states have made peace, most Gulf states have commercial relations with Israel and Tunisia, Morocco and Mauritania have excellent relations with the Jewish state. Saudi Arabia offered total normalization in a peace plan, but Israel rejected it because it contradicts Zionist tenets of colonization of Judea and Samaria.
The West Bank is currently an unlivable prison, and settlements continue to expand there, even in the past year. It’s no wonder Palestinians fight back in the West Bank.
Gaza has been cut off from all funding for the crime of electing Hamas, 70% of the population is unemployed, basic services are at a low level and much of the population is malnourished. Israel appears to be trying to push Gazans to their limits. Understandably, Gazans react to these provocations with continuing rocket attacks.
Zionist propaganda says that Jews can’t live with Gentiles and everywhere they try to do this, life is Hell for Jews. In contrast, life appears to be Hell in the Jewish separation experiment called the Jewish state. In the Diaspora, in the US at least, anti-Semitism is at a low level, and Jews surely face less hostility and insecurity and fewer attacks than they do in Israel.
So the notion that Gentiles are full of homicidal hatred for Jews everywhere the two live together is proven to be false. The main thing that has magnified anti-Semitism has been the deeply flawed separation experiment, an experiment that seems to have failed to achieve its basic objectives.
Time for a reconsideration?
Check the comments at the end for the usual Jewish paranoia, mostly out of Israel. Shehadi is…guess what? A Jew-hater, an anti-Semite, a Nazi, and a genocidal racist. You know, in the real world, people who insist that just about everyone is out to kill them are called…um…mentally ill, specifically, paranoid.
“13 homicidal attacks against Jews in and around Israel every single day ”
Really, any more source on that?
You know as far as an American is concerned. Wouldn’t it make our lives easier if Israel just immigrated to to the US? It’s too hot there for Europeans anyway.
Give ‘em Alaska!
LOL.
Only Jews could cause trouble in Alaska!
That was in 2007.
“It’s too hot there for Europeans anyway.”
Cum again?
Israel is a pretty hot climate. Wtf you talking about?
So are Miami Beach, Scottsdale and…Death Valley-he ideal spot for jews.
Europeans? Were you referring to Israeli jews?
You are such an asshole you know that?
I assumed it was hotter and sandier.
I also assume you can throw sand in an arabs face without him blinking.
Sometimes I say stuff that isn’t true. You win.
“So are Miami Beach, Scottsdale and…Death Valley-he ideal spot for jews.”
Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-qN6TCY85c
“You are such an asshole.”
Sorry.
Hacienda: Right on!
No don’t apologize. I like you as an asshole. Call me out when I say dumb shit.
Why do Jews like Death Valley?
Charles Manson. Swastikas. Sounds Holocautish. Sounds Christian (Yeah though I walk through Death Valley, I fear no evil…)
Gross.
Gold. I’m told my ancestors immigrated to South Africa because they heard about the Whitwatersrand gold rush.
Was’nt Alaska on a list of possibilities before they got Israel? Think of the heart ache that would have been avoided had they moved there rather than the middle east.
Relocation or emigration would have been viable ten years ago, but I don’t think Americans would be very hospitable to Israelis at this point.
“Only jews could cause trouble in Alaska.”
Yes. Santa has an official headquarters in Fairbanks, Alaska also home to University of alaska. If we sabotage his workshop, we can do away with Christianity once and for all, because Christianity relies on Christmas to survive, or at least convince the Northern lights that they need a producer and an agent.
but I don’t think Americans would be very hospitable to Israelis at this point.
I don’t think anyone would.
But it’s too late to put the genie back in the lamp. Israelis are there to stay, and as their paranoia, radicalism, and religious fundamentalism continue to grow, they’ll eventually end up doing something really destructive.
All I know is that things aren’t going to end well over there.
True to form Gay Area Guy. The West only encompasses 20 million sq mi, and much of it is uninhabited, but even that was too small to accomodate another state. After WWII, there were legitimate concerns that having a zionist state within one’s midst would expand the Soviet sphere of influence, but over time this proved to be worse.
BAG, obviously they couldn’t go to San Francisco. Crying about Palestinians is a form of social etiquette over their.
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Crying about Palestinians is a form of social etiquette over their.
Not really.
No I think Scandinavia is the international headquarters for the gaza groupies.
I guess I’m just more familiar with the Whole Foods crowd.
same here. It’s not really on the radar of most SWPLs, but it’s not hard to find Gaza Groupies.
The Whole Foods crowd? What part of California are you from? Whole Foods is mainstream by now.
Oy nevermind. I was half joking anyway. I had stereotypical SF anti war hippies in mind.
I assumed that SF was teeming with Gaza groupies and lacktivists. Gay Area Guy set me straight.
I personally knew plenty of Gaza groupies when I was in SF. I even knew Jews in SF were like “VIVA LA PALESTINE!”
Either I associate with hippie new age types too much or BAG is just embarrassed or in denial.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=8778414
http://digitaljournal.com/article/330994
I’m under the impression quite a lot of the ads are defaced as well.
Is someone embarrassed of their city?
Pardon me, is someone ‘hella’ embarrassed of the hippie republic?
Honestly, I don’t think most white liberal SWPL types in the Bay Area even think twice about the whole Israel/Palestine issue. one white liberal assistant teacher I had back in middle school was conscious about the oppression of the Palestinians, but that was it. Otherwise, I have never seen the Israel/Palestine conflict brought up, except by Zionist Jews, LOL.
You are probably right most don’t pay much attention. Oh well, get hyphy instead! Know the politics on the block. Yafeelme?
“Otherwise, I have never seen the Israel/Palestine conflict brought up, except by Zionist Jews, LOL.”
I’ve met people who have become more interested in the Palestinian cause, for no other reason then the behavior of zionist jews. Jews are always on the lookout. They rush to combat perceived criticism, and attempt to stifle any opponent, real or imaginary. And if there is a lot of anti Israel activitiy on campuses, it’s no doubt the result of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Is this accurate?
Lol. There is no end to the Jews deviant plans to destroy Christianity. Santa will be forced under contract to say oyoyoy merry bastard child!
I added that tidbit ‘speshly for you.
Jameson7
I’m trying to start a campaign to relocate Israel to Western Australia.
You have to be positive. Kill them with promises and flattery and they’ll have no choice to get on board.
Why Australia?
Western Austalia has more unused land to settle on. Kimberley is a region approx the size of California, with less than 50,000 permanent residents. Even Abos prefer to live in large cities I don’t see how this could be of harm.
The Freedland league had plans to build Yiddish settlements in Kimberley Western Australia, Tazzy, and Suriname/Guyana in South America. It’s a pity nothing came of it. It would have solved a lot of problems.
Too bad. I guess we’ll just have to kill off all the arabs instead.
This will never work. I hear that kangaroos hate Jews something awful. Some of the worst antisemites in the Animal Kingdom.
Not to mention their pouches could easily become suicide bombs.
You got me there.
I’ve been working on that.
Here’s a documentary on various proposed settlements.
American Jews in Israel should pack it up, come back to the States and takeover New Mexico like the Mormons took over Utah. I am sure they would be welcome there and they would love it: warm weather, a dessert environment they could call “Israel 2,” lots of cheap labor from across the border and good ol’ Uncle Sam to protect them. The whole Khazarian thing is really starting to boil up and only going to make things worse in Israel for the Jews.
I LOVE NM. Israel 2.0. But I think Kimberley would be a better choice.
“The whole Khazarian thing is really starting to boil up and only going to make things worse in Israel for the Jews.”
What? That’s hardly the most pressing issue. I don’t believe in it. 19th century Ashkenazim had little in common with Central Asians. But it is clear that judaism traveled far and wide.
Jews already have taken over much of NM. Have you seen the new agey Jews I was talking about?
I was expecting to see more new age artists in SF and Taos, but thank G-d I didn’t. I had heard that they had been taken over by by trust fund artists or vacation home owners, with the locals (of all races) being all but driven out. It is very expensive upscale, and that annoyed me, but the only people I saw selling new age gear were Native Americans.
LOL! They could call it Jew Mexico! Hehe.
There was quite a large population of marranos in NM and southern Colorado, that might be one of the reasons why the hispanos and NAs remained distinct entities in comparison to other states. New Mexican hispanos also have their own dialect-and a superiority complex toward other hispanics. It’s the same idea with Monterrey and the state of Nuevo Leon.
Lindsay, it is odd to hear WNs lay claim to lands that they probably have never heard of.
Good one!
Albuquerque is also home to the Spy House, which houses the Rosenberg Room.
I love how you assume we have any idea what that is.
Google can be your best friend.
Its an old house where David and Ruth Greenglass stayed while David was working at Los Alamos. The owners decided to capitalize on that and turn it into a bed and breakfast.
David and Ethel were very distant cousins of my maternal grandmother. My grandmother’s family went to South Africa, so never knew about her, but I found out everything I could afterwards.
So a shrine for jewish spies? Lol celebrate one’s rich heritage of mischief.
Did your grandparents ever find any gold?
My great grandfather ended up working in the Coal mines instead.
It’s not a shrine and I don’t worship the Rosenbergs. It’s more like the Corwin house in Salem. People get a thrill because the notoriety. I doubt the developers were jewish.
Ya, I know I was kidding.
You know my great uncle was actually an American spy in Communist China. Espionage buddies!
So was you grandfather in this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameson_Raid
I wish, but he worked in the Molteno mines in the Eastern Cape.
Too bad. At least you have coal miner rep for the tough man crowd.
The Meeropols are kinself haters. Mike was a spokeperson for JVP and he was the one who nominated Tony Kushner for an honorary degree at CUNY College of Criminal Justice and Robert actually took offense that Tony depicted his mother reciting the mourners Kadddish for a dying Roy Cohn in Angels in America, because according to him, she was a die hard atheist.
It didn’t last too long. he was able to become a coal peddler after a few years in the mines, and then died of lung cancer just as he was setting up shop in Cape Town.
He seriously got lung cancer after a few years in the mines? Rough break.
RE: The tough man crowd
Another great grandfather was a champion wrestler in Russia.
I visited New Mexico a few years ago. There was a small Holohoax museum in downtown Albaquerque and I had Jewish cashier in Santa Fe. When I visited the Nuclear Museum(or whatever it’s called), one of the curators was talking about how the US could have nuked Germany with such delight. He must have been a Jew or a Jew lover at the very least.
And Jews, stay the fuck out of Australia!
No Anglos have no more rihght to it than anyone else.
Anglo Australians don’t even want to live in the uninhabited parts anyway.
Most White Australians have never even been to Kimberley, I don’t think they would realize that it was gone. China has already started making inroads with WA, as it is rich in iron and natural gas, andd White Australians don’t care.
Aboriginal rights would be a legitimate concern, but not Anglo Australians. The Anglosphere only encompasses 110 million square miles, and it is greedy to lay claim to la region that most anglos have never even heard of.
Em, I don’t think anyone here has sympathy for the idea that we base foreign policy or personal shopping habits on 2000 year old fairy tales.
Gods on your side Israel! He cares.
Getting past the fancy idea that there is a bearded man in the sky, why would he prefer Israel over those other countries. It does’nt make any sense, if God is benevolent surely he’d side with the underdogs and indigenous people of the region rather than the Europeans backed by a nuclear power.
Don’t get me started. “Palestinians Marys” “Jesus at the checkpoint” it’s just a reverse of Christian Zionism.
The most aggressive underdogs in the history of underdoggism.
All I can say is thank God for the separation of church and state. I’m flabbergasted that people can still believe in this stuff.
I’m baffled more by the Atheist ethnic jews, who use that as justification more than the zionist jews.
You don’t think the Palestinians are aggressive?
Not that they’re not aggressive, but is their aggression justified, yes. If someone comes to my home, takes my land and kills my brothers, I’ll do what I can to fight back.
Do Israel use a disproportionate amount of military and economic attacks, yes. How anyone can call Israel an underdog is beyond me.
Sorry I’m more baffled by atheist jews who use religious doctrine than Christian Zionists.
I won’t call Israelis underdogs, but neither are the Palestinians. They got the whole muslim world willing to shill for them and arm them. It might be easier for them if they had to resort to more primitive weapons, as their attacks wouldn’t be so bloody and Israel would have less justification for the occupation.
It might be easier for them if they had to resort to more primitive weapons
Right, I’m going to send them my old slingshot, my granda’s walking stick(the one with the thorny bits on) and my father’s leather belt. Viva la Revolución!
The weapons the Palestinians have might as well be bows and arrows compared to the technology of the Israelis.
Where would you rather live, the Gaza strip or the suburbs of Tel Aviv?
Brengunn
Palestinians aren’t so weak and primitive as you’re claiming. Rightwing Israelis would not be able to drum up support from diaspora jewry if there weren’t frequent suicide attacks or rocket attacks. And Israelies would not be so willing to commit atrocities in the territories, had they not grown up in a battlefield. you have to understand the Israeli mentality. Dota wrongfully compares the actions of the US military and the IDF. It’s like comparing apples to oranges.
It’s not a one sided conflict. it never was
The Arab Israeli conflict is evenly matched.
Suicide bombers and home made rockets > nukes and F-16s.
“”I won’t call Israelis underdogs, but neither are the Palestinians. They got the whole muslim world willing to shill for them and arm them.”"
And when that shilling gets the pallys a state without travel restrictions and a viable economy, I’ll believe it. Until then they are the underdogs. Most sane people support the Palestinians because that is the most moral position one can take in this conflict. And please please oh please stfu about the PSM and their pally worship, most pally supporters I’ve known my entire life have never even heard of them.
It might be easier for them if they had to resort to more primitive weapons, as their attacks wouldn’t be so bloody and Israel would have less justification for the occupation.
You mean like the first intifada? Well we know how that turned out. And besides, Israeli excesses are seldom reported in the Jew media, your people will make sure of that.
Most Pally supporters are Pally worshippers.
That’s besides the point. Groups who do not have the means for violent resistance will not develop violent reputations. AIPAC couldn’t drum up support among the general American jewish population had Ahmadinejad not been so staunch about his support for the Palestinians. Cyrus agreed with me.
What? I was mocking Christians for Palestine. They are no mere political group. They believe basically believe that the Palestinian nation is a modern Jesus and that Palestinian suffering personifies Christ’s suffering.
Regardless of what I think about Israel’s relations with it’s neighbors, I understand that the so called special relationship undermines my country’s position in the middle east, and jeopardizes my community’s position as well.
James Petras who is an communist, invoked the “Palestinian Marys” card.
No but I have relatives in Melbourne, and visited them.
Nice to meet you.
LOL, Em is the new Andyboy.
Em, You hav’nt been on the Fosters all day have you? You must have been counting all the souls in heaven!
I don’t know why you keep referring to the Jews as Christians.
Arab Palestine propaganda? You live in the tiny part of the world(the West) that supports Israel, so if the western media are questioning Israels tactics it should make you think. What are they doing?
There are Christian Palestinians too. Unfortunately, they have the honor of being oppressed by both Jews and Muslims.
The Christians are mostly remnants of the Byzantine period, not the early Christians.
You seem to have missed missed the satire of my comments. Are you a Christian Zionist or a Jewish Zionist?
Lol if Israel is a Christian nation why do they particularly hate and despise Messianic Jews who run around trying to evangelize people into Christianity? Jews would likely be insulted to even have the the Tanakh Hebrew Bible referred to as ‘Old Testament’. Don’t know where these ideas come from.
You could use the same logic to try and say that Muslims are the same religion because they use the same stories as Christians and Jews(retells the Torah). Technically Isa (Jesus) is a prophet and messiah in the Quran. Does that make Muslims all Christians as well? You might as well be a new agey if you are going to try and bend religions into one another.
Good luck trying to explain to a Jew that he is actually a Christian! See how that goes over.
They constantly have to defend themselves and have been doing so throughout time.
Maybe they should stop stealing their neighbours’ land and driving them into refugee camps. Maybe they should quit plundering Palestinian water in the west bank. The stupidity of a Christian Zionist is only surpassed by a Hindutvadi.
Sigh there you go again. Trying to sneak Hinduism into every thread.
It has nothing to do with Hinduism idiot.
Christian Zionists would be more comparable to non Brahmin Hindus or non Arab Muslims.
The word messiah doesn’t actually mean God. Technically King David would be considered a messiah as well. It means “Anointed one”.
Are you saying fundamentalist churches don’t use the Old Testament? I wasn’t aware that was actually common.
Sorry. I had heard it used casually, so I assumed it was accepted.
Well you can look it up if you are well motivated enough to do so.
They also have the bizarre belief that Jesus was never crucified, and someone else went in his place.
If people consider Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses Christian and not different religions entirely I don’t see how Muslims are even really that far of a stretch. They actually have more similar theologies to each other than to Catholics and Protestants.
“If that were true, we would have a whole heap of Muslims wearing “i <3 Jesus" tshirts but its just not happening."
That would be akin to a Christian wearing an "I love Moses" T Shirt.
Get it?
The later protestant sects have a similar view on Jesus as Muslims, but of course they differ in a lot of other ways.
Pretty much. The culture is still totally different would be the most obvious.
I mean Muslims and Mormons both even have a whole ‘Levels of Heaven’ thing going on. New prophet-check. New book sort of retelling a ‘corrupted’ story- check. Lots of women in afterlife- check. Polygamy-check
I love these religions that let you get a lot of chicks. Those are like the ultimate religions really.
No Iwas referring to Unitarians and Quakers.
I would include Quakers and Mennonites in that category. Unitarians I consider more like a New Age church in the modern day.
So GSG, how does it feel to have Christian Zionists kissing Jewish ass?
I love it. I wish I lived in the bible belt and got to experience it more often and in real life. NE Catholics won’t kiss my ass.
Get to be a Jewish celebrity down there. Omg the chosen people! May we kiss your feet? Are you getting tired of walking we can carry you in a throne if you’d like? We don’t have any chairs would you like to sit on my back?
“Jews are the lamb of G-d.”
I don’t quite get why a Christian wouldn’t just convert if they were going to commit idolatry towards another religion. They got inferiority complex like an asian guy in a mans locker room.
Mormons- Um, sort of. They believe we can all become gods.
Jehovah witnesses- No, they believe Jehovah of the Old Testament is G-d, they do not pray to Jesus or anything like that
They are both non-trinitarian.
Actually I think Mormons literally mean you can be a god of another planet but I know what you are saying.
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I accept your apology. But really no offense taken.
Oy yoy yoy what are we going to do with you?
I must tell you I don’t mind people calling me a moron if that’s how they think I’m acting. Honesty doesn’t bother me one bit.
Morons, Mormons- ehhhh what’s the difference?
I like Israel. If the Jews can have an ethnic outpost, so can White people.
Anti-whites say:
Asia for the Asians, Africa for they Africans, White countries for Everyone.
That is genocide for white people.
Anti-whites say:
What is non-white belongs to non-whites.
What is white also belongs to non-whites.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Richard- I agree, even with the Israel as an outpost theory.
The problem with Israel is the fact that other people- the Arabs/Palestinians- were already there for almost two thousand years, prior to the Israelis attempt to “reclaim” the area- which has no legitimate modern historical precedent.
Even the imperialist white settler/colonialists didn’t declare that they were “reclaiming” some long-lost white homeland when they colonized (and later decolonized) other areas.
If the J’s wanted a homeland where no one would bother them, they didn’t pick the right spot. This problem will never go away now, to the detriment of the peace of entire planet. Thanks, J’s!
This problem will never go away now, to the detriment of the peace of entire planet. Thanks, J’s!
Till the oil dries up, after that, no one will care what happens to the whole region.
Are you really? You seem to worship Israel, the Jews are your high priests and Jesus seems to be a footnote in your faith. That doesn’t sound like Christianity to me. I’d actually say that the Quran emphasizes Jesus more than whatever Jew loving religion you currently subscribe to.
In a peculiar way, the people of Israel (at least the voting adults) are more legitimate targets for violence than the primitives of Afstan or the oppressed masses of the Arab police states. Israel is a modern Western democracy, thus the inhabitants are free to go if they choose. Every adult Israeli who chooses to stay on is thus repeating and reaffirming the choice of the original Zionist settlers. Unless you think the Palestinians had no right to resist the Zionist settlers, that makes adult Israelis legitimate targets for resistance operations.
Furthermore, the citizens of Israel are entitled to vote on questions of war and peace. Whether they want to face it or not, that makes them mortally culpable in a way the subjects of police states like Assad’s Syria or Saddam’s Iraq simply are not. Once again, this makes adult Israelis legitimate targets for resistance operations.
Note, I am NOT saying it’s therefore a smart idea for the Arabs to target Israeli civilians because, in fact, it’s usually politically counter-productive. Note also, I am aware that Arab guerillas have not historically restricted their attacks to Israeli adults. Finally, the second point applies to Brits and Americans just as much as to Israelis, and we are just as much in denial of it as the Israelis are.
I’m actually a really nice guy. Ask GSG.
Now now, don’t flatter yourself. You try to put on a tough face, but your sensitivity always oozes through.
I am sensitive and I’ve never denied it. My mother says I’m too soft, who would know a guy better?
I’m not your enemy. I just hate this bogus faith that you follow which is essentially a shallow simulacra of Christianity. What you contemptuously refer to as ”replacement theology” is essentially what Christianity is to begin with. Christianity was supposed to replace Judaism and all the early church fathers knew this. Christianity was defined as being separate and more evolved than Judaism. Judaism was to become obsolete. Hence the distinction between old and New Testaments. That’s certainly what the Apostle Paul believed when he chided Peter in Galatians. That is certainly what Justin Martyr believed when he penned his dialogue with Rabi Trypho. Unlike you I actually get Christianity because I have studied its history (in and out of University). Judaism is a tribal religion whereas Christianity is universal. The best of the west comes directly from the core ethical teachings of Jesus, which Christian Zionism pushes to the periphery by bringing Israel worship to the forefront. Can you imagine what western civilization would be like if Polycarp, Ignatius, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Martin Luther, Henry Cardinal Newman etc were all jew lovers like you?
Judaism is a tribal religion whereas Christianity is universal.
Exactly. An atheist wouldn’t be able to call himself a “Christian” simply because his mother has “Christian blood.”
Exactly so less suceptible to fragmentation and internal secterian rifts like we’ve seen with Catholicism/Protestantism and Sunni/Shiaism.
Chrsitans for Palestine are every bit as ridiculous as Christian Zionists.
No yeah I think it’s stops right there. Wanna be Arabs/Muslims are no less ridiculous. Oh poor sandniggers, they just beheaded a journalist because they were scared. They are really just peaceful sand hippies. The Jews did 911, why can’t everyone see this? The American empire will die tomorrow I’m sure of it. America is worse than the Nazi’s and USSR. Oh the suffering of the Arabs is unbearable. Booohooohooo. Boooohoooooohoohoohoo. *Sniffle*
Exactly so less suceptible to fragmentation and internal secterian rifts like we’ve seen with Catholicism/Protestantism and Sunni/Shiaism.
Perhaps, but also the reason for the anti-Semitism that Jews love to lament.
If Judaism were more of a universal and less of a tribal religion, then Jews would have been much more numerous, and they might have even been able to have various states of their own for an extended period of time.
If all of that had been the case, there would have been no middle age pogroms, no modern anti-Semitism, no need to create the Zionist enterprise, which would have meant no “new anti-Semitism,” etc.
You got me there. But Judaism itself would have to be radically altered to suit the sensibilities and world views of prospective jewish nations.
@jameson7,
Oh poor sandniggers, they just beheaded a journalist because they were scared.
Some of us are compassionate without being stupid. I have almost as much contempt for those la la liberals as I do for the Zionists.
I was referring to a specific breed of Christians who use terms like “Palestinian Marys” or “Christ at the Checkpoint.” Some claim such talk is antisemitic, as it is equating the IDF with Pharisees, and bringing out an old stereotype. I’m pretty fatigued by allegations of antisemitism myself, so I don’t care. I just don’t like them elevating Palestinians to the level of Jesus.
I have a feeling that the way Christians feel about Christian Zionists is about the same way Jews feel about Messianic Jews.
Dota is a Muslim; he is not a Christian.
Jews already reign on Earth LOL.
Are Jews responsible somehow for this Christian Zionism or do Christians seriously do this on their own?
How about kissing gods ass instead of kissing Jewish ass? Jews aren’t the middle men to G-d any more than the Pope.
You know if you go Jehovah’s Witness you can’t be on this site. They stay out of involvement in politics.
Have you seen this video?
That was an actual phone call that LBJ made.
He’s my fucking hero. I don’t even care about NAM or his alleged involvement in the Kennedy assasination. That phone call was enough to make up for everything else.
HAH!
My dad had the exact same Texas Hill Country accent.
It’s not quite as pronounced as other Texas or Southern accents. Wonder why that is. Was Austin always the hip folk center, or was it part of the bible belt fifty years ago.
Judaism = salvation for Jews and only Jews
Christianity = salvation for mankind
Judaism = moral particularism ie is it good for the Jews?
Christianity = moral universalism ie is it good for mankind?
Judaism = The Jewish collective is essentially God and every human trait worthy of emulation is embodied by the collective.
Christianity = Christ is Lord and every human virtue worthy of being emulated was embodied by Christ trough his sayings and actions.
About the rest of your post, that’s nice, you know more than the early church fathers and theologians. I will say this though, I’ve known Arab, East Asian, South Asian, and African Christians and none of them have their faces in a Jewish backside. They focus exclusively on the New Testament. Guess all this Jew worship must be an anglo thing.
“Judaism = salvation for Jews and only Jews
Christianity = salvation for mankind”
I’m not going to even bother answering that. That statement was so absurd. It’s the exact opposite. Every now and then you’ll produce a statement that discredits anything else you’ve said. Judaism does not condemn non believers to eternal damnation, and non jews can enter the Garden of Eden as spirits (but not full bodied figures.)
Focusing solely on the New Testament is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
“Judaism = The Jewish collective is essentially God and every human trait worthy of emulation is embodied by the collective.”
It’s quite the opposite. Jews are not even allowed to take credit for their individual accomplishments, because G-d bestowed them with the abilities to carry them out, so these feats can only be attributed to G-d.
Focusing on NT only = I don’t like to read
The only ones who will be punished in the Messianic age are the apostates, as they have already been exposed to Judaism and deliberately turned their back on it
Judaism 101. The only ones punished are the Jewish deserters!
Judaism does not condemn non believers to eternal damnation, and non jews can enter the Garden of Eden as spirits (but not full bodied figures.)
True.
An argument could be made that Judaism is inherently more tolerant on account that it does not condemn non-believers the same way that Christianity and Islam do.
However, paradoxically, one could argue that this only further highlights the tribal/ethnocentric nature of Judaism.
Judaism has never been interested in proselytizing, and Jews have generally been skeptical about converts, not to mention that it’s waaaay more difficult to convert to Judaism than Christianity or Islam.
Perhaps Jews don’t condemn non-believers because they don’t want the goyim in their flock anyway. They want to retain their distinctive and exclusive nature.
And even if, theologically speaking, Judaism doesn’t condemn non-believers the way Christianity does, in practice, Jews have demonstrated that they are less pluralistic and more intolerant of other faiths than Christians.
(okay, obviously, this wasn’t always the case historically, but I’m mainly talking about now)
A religious minority in the heart of the Bible Belt is afforded more rights and better treatment than a minority in Israel.
The rabbis just want to make sure that one is serious. You’re assuming a great undertaking.
The rabbis just want to make sure that one is serious. You’re assuming a great undertaking.
I understand.
However, it still has a tribal effect.
According to Haaretz reporter David Sheen, rabbis in Israel are very strict about who they let convert to Judaism, and throw up many barriers for those who are not racially or ethnically Jewish.
Also, I find it curious that the rationale for being exclusive about who is allowed to convert to Judaism is that it’s a serious undertaking. And yet, someone who knows absolutely nothing about the religion of Judaism is Jewish, so long as they have Jewish blood.
It’s different in this day and age, rabbinates compete against one another to see who is more stringent. LOL. This has not always been the case. They’re not acting in accordance with jewish law.
Guess all this Jew worship must be an anglo thing.
Yeah, I agree.
It’s no coincidence that the most pro-Israel countries in the world (ie. primarily the U.S. and Canada, followed by Australia) are anglosphere countries.
“A religious minority in the heart of the Bible Belt is afforded more rights and better treatment than a minority in Israel.”
That’s kind of a stretch yeah? Muslims sure as hell aren’t welcomed in the Bible belt. Much like Israel.
That’s kind of a stretch yeah? Muslims sure as hell aren’t welcomed in the Bible belt.
I’m not denying that there’s a significant degree of Islamophobic sentiment in those parts of the country.
However, when you compare how Muslim Americans are treated, especially in a legal sense, to how Muslims in Israel are treated, then I think my point stands.
I’d go even further to say that Jew loving is a Protestant trait. We both hate Catholics and Muslims together!
Neither are mormons, shunned protestant sects, and new age pagans. But at least bible thumpers are rightly seen for what they are. Kahanists, not so much.
Jew worship is definately a protestant trait. Catholics will still accuse you of being a Christ Killer.
Atheist Zionists are the biggest hypocrites though.
I think when push comes to shove Protestants will always side with Jews as opposed to Catholics. Lutherans being the exception.
Oh right. I forget how much Revelations is the big factor in Christian Zionism. You guys think it’s a sign of the times.
You know this is what I love about Evangelicals. They can say the most absurd stuff in the world, yet be so nice about it you feel bad about calling them straight on it.
Ugh, a Christian Zionist. Along with “liberal Zionist,” it ought to be an oxymoron.
I don’t care about the other two. But Atheist Jews defending Zionism on philosophical grounds.
Unlike Muslim and Christian idiots who seek to convert everybody, the Jew doesn’t want to convert you to his religion, merely his point of view. Christian Zionists are essentially Jews with a massive identity crisis. Israel supporters of all stripes are Jews (minus the privileges of tribal membership of course).
You are also essentially correct about eternal condemnation BAG. Classical Judaism did not even have a concept of after life. Even the kingdom of God ala Jesus was to occur on earth. The tribal nature of Judaism isn’t essentially concerned with the gentiles and GSG is confusing indifference for tolerance. Traditionally the Jews believed that the goyim were unworthy of the Torah and that the 7 noahide laws would suffice in keeping them from self destructing. Justin Martyr argued that the numerous laws of the Torah were prescribed precisely to check the inherently vile nature of the Jew whereas the gentles were given only one commandment: to love God and each other.
How wrong you are.
While it is certainly true that Judaism does concentrate on the importance of this world, the fact is that much (not all) of classical Judaism does posit an afterlife.
You create your own realities and I won’t get in the way of your delusions. You can only pass yourself as an intellectual for so long.
His “Protocols” just got triggered. Lol.
See once that button gets pushed they are stuck like that for awhile. He has no choice but to go write a 2000 page manuscript about Jews now!
I’m glad I can keep him “occupied.”
Pity you know so little about Judaism GSG. Classical Judaism has no concept of the after life at all. Dust to dust. Once you’re planted, its over. The deuteronomical model applied in this life only, keep the law = blessings and don’t keep the law = your enemies own you. All this world. Like most pagan religions at the time there there was no concept of an afterlife in Judaism as well. I think you are confusing pharasic Judaism with classical Judaism.
You were able to cast the illusion for a while. and your using a relatively obscure~2,200 year old sect as representation for Judaism and using contemporary Christianity (post enlightenment) as an accurate comparison. I always thought you were pedestalizing jews.
This doctrine were obsolete by the second century. There are numerous interpretations, we do not have a clear finite definition of afterlife and image of heaven and hell, most all jewish groups have addressed afterlife, even though Judaism itself does not rest on it.
You actually revealed yourself when you tried to inject Hinduism into that thread of the deformed woman. After that, I knew you were BSing the whole time.
Do you ever stop with the strawmans? You might as well just talk to yourself. I never said I was an intellectual, yet you attribute this bogus position to me. I never said I was an expert on Judaism either, yet to seem to think I implied that. Fortunately most people here don’t fall for your garbage. And are you referring to the pharisees as an obscure sect? Their ”oral law” eventually became the Mishnah as you hopefully know.
After that, I knew you were BSing the whole time.
That would sting if it came from somebody I took seriously. Lets see if I can preempt some of your usual crap: Just because I respond to you doesn’t mean I take you seriously. Yes, I respond to you because I’m bored. Yes, I’m bored because I don’t have a vibrant social life and work a dull desk job. No, being Robert’s attack dog doesn’t compensate for my joyless existence. No, I do not form Robert’s opinions for him, intelligent minds operate on the same wave length. Lets see, is that everything? I believe that’s everything.
I was referring to Sadducees, whose morality was being used as a reference for contemporary Christianity.
You do have a habit of putting words in Lindsay’s mouth.
I’ve never talking about the Sadducees much and Robert’s capable of speaking or himself.
*never talked*
That doesn’t mean you don’t attempt to represent him.
I don’t. He can speak for himself, it’s his blog remember? We also disagree on somethings and that’s perfectly ok.
Some people are raised on antisemitism. It’s part of their tradition. There is a long history of distrust of Jews back to Martin Luther and John Calvin, or the Wesley brothers. A long history of conflict. Let’s not even get started on the Catholic Church.
I’ve met some antisemites who I might otherwise like, but I would agree, that the MPalestinian Solidarity Movement attracts its share of interesting characters. Pallies are naive enough to lap it up.
I think most people generally like other people when they are talking in front of one another under normal circumstances. Once lines are drawn they go back to being bitter enemies.
Yes.
Can you say C-A-T-H-O-L-I-C?
That’s exactly what I was saying. Get it?
It was a joke. Har har.
Lol y’all Catholic girls are crazy.
It’s good stuff.
It’s funny I don’t know why I’m more physically attracted to Catholic girls than any other girls. I think i like the snappiness it amuses me.
Don’t forget Mary! Do you have any fond memories of the Church? Or was it mostly miserable for you?
I have a big bigotry of Catholics due to SDA influence in the family. No one hates Catholics more than SDA.
Salvation for all. What a fucking joke.
I sure hope not. I don’t want to spend an eternity with a bunch of assholes!
Hell sounds like an appealing alternative.
Hell is on Earth. Isn’t it obvious?
All too clear. The real deal couldn’t be much worse.
Did any of the nuns “experiment” with you? The Manosphere would have a field day if that were the case.
Probably another incoherent, emotionally charged rant like the one comparing Hindu morality and the mindset of contemporary Hindus to that of Westerners. Jameson inadertently called your bluff on that.
Much of the positive developments that you speak so highly of occurred in the past millennium, and you wish to compare them Judaism using an ancient sect of Judaism, as your reference.
Christianity itself is in fact so fragmented and polarized, so you can not attempt to speak of them as a collective and apply the same logic.
GSG I wouldn’t even bother debating him. He’s going on a script right now. He isn’t hearing anything.
I am listening to the both of you, I’m just ignoring the garbage. Feel free to ignore mine if you perceive it as such.
So Protocols of Zion? A piece of non fiction to you?
It should be open to examination, but not treated like the bible.
Can you perhaps refer us to a source where you get your information so we can look up some more about this topic?
Surely you don’t get your information from nowhere right? You don’t actually have a Talmud lying on your coffee table right?
Kevin MacDonald. He embraces the work of someone who would have him deported back to the slums of Mumbai or Dubai, and shuns those who probably had a hand in enabling his ancestors immigrate in the first place.
GSG- I was addressing Dota.
Ah I see. Is Kevin McDonald more just like David Duke or Henry Ford repeating the same Protocols crap? I mean some of the stuff they say is interesting but then once they start talking about crap that happened 2000 years ago you know where that’s heading.
KMac is his Dota’s spiritual guide as well as his authority on all things jewish. KMac actually comes across as an Archie Bunker type, even though he holds a PHD. Duke sounds much more intellectual.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend going on? Arabs embracing white nationalists who under normal circumstances would throw them out back into the sand. Oh the irony.
jameson
The enemy of my enemy is my friend going on?
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/usraeli-terrorists-murdered-yasser-arafat/#comment-99700
I’m also not an Arab you retard and I say a special prayer of thanks for that everyday.
My mistake I apologize. Let me rephrase.
“White nationals who would throw you back in the curry pot.”
Why would an Indian be anti-jew anyway? They lead the selling of Indian culture bringing money and tourism into India. Unless you don’t actually give a crap about India, then where do you give a crap about?
You know the huge portion of the left in this country basically thinks that India is the most holy spiritual place in the world. This is largely due to Jews, how have Indians lost from this? I can’t say I understand what the situation of a Muslim in India would be, but anything that advances India’s economy and worldly perception would be a good thing right?
He hates everything about India and tries to subtley inject it into every thread.
If he hates India and Arabs what exactly does he like?
He loves Euro Christians and East Asian Confucians, especially the latter.
Is this guy wanna be white indian like Dinesh D’Souza?
Whoa that combined with the male homosexuals in the Catholic clergy is some weird stuff. I tried going to a Catholic church, and on the first day the gay pastor made a pass at me. I feel really bad for Catholics, especially in Ireland that have had to put up with this kind of crap. The pedophiles/gay clergy problem seems to be ingrained the whole church.
LOL!
Catholicism is allllllllllllllllllllllllll fagged out.
Dota’s been desperate to get me off this forum even though my presence predates his by 3 years.
Hmm, I don’t recall Dota leading any campaign to have you banned from this blog.
He’s never liked you, but I don’t see him advocating that kind of censorship.
Well I could dig up quotes but I haave better things to do. I’m happy to keep him embroiled to lure him away from the world.
Is he? Why do you think that?
He’s not Catholic, but he frequents hispanic catholic churches in his town.
Because he has a taste for the spicy latinas?
I just go there for the Hispanic chicks.
Figured. Good free Booze?
I knew it! Have mercy on them latinas!
Regarding jewish roots of Christian Zionism, there is speculation that President blow job and his wife had Portuguese Sephardic ancestry.
Does it have great-great-great-grandrelevancy?
No, I was not referring to Clinton.
The only thing Jewish about him was the woman who sucked his dick. I don’t buy it.
They were no mere hillbillies. They are saying that Lady Bird’s mother Minnie Patillo was a Sephardic Texana.
http://reviewofcuban-americanblogs.blogspot.com/2007/06/lyndon-baines-johnson-our-statue-of.html
LBJ’s wife looks Jewish. But wait I thought we were talking about Clinton.
Heil no. Hilly had a Jewish step grandfather. Not that I care.
Lady Bird looks like a prototypical Criollo as well. They hid it though.
Oh yeah a lot of Jews in self help and finance advice hide their Jewishness to the point of changing their names and dying their hair.
Can’t say I blame them. Dota’s wouldn’t want to know that they might actually like some Jews. I’ll bet the majority of antisimites like Jews without actually knowing it. Sneaky Jews trying to make us like them.
The trained eye can recognize miniscule amount of jewish ancestry, plastic surgery and all.
Of coarse. Most white nationalist however don’t have a trained eye at all. They couldn’t spot a Jew if he was giving them a bank loan. At least that’s my impression.
Some of them are very keen.
Still at work, or love me so much?
You know when you are talking next to Dota it definitely makes Christian Zionism seem more appealing.
I wish I could have experienced Christian Zionism in its heydey. It’s just coming to an end now.
Party like it’s 1967!
Sounds sad. Yet sentimental. One thing you can’t take from the Catholics is some of those masses are beautiful. Can bring tears to my eyes. I’m not sure aesthetics a very good reason to be religious though.
Lol sorry if I was being a dick earlier. You are actually pretty cool. I think I get where you are coming from now. Hooray for Zion!
That wasn’t saying I’m not going to be a dick in the future to you. I’m just saying I like you now.
Superlatives do serve a unique purpose.
Em – well you are a dumb twat. said with care and tenderness.
I was referring to the extremities.
Em, you’re lying…less than 5% of white Australians have been to The Kimberley…
Peace,
+ Lion of Judah
Not at all. I was actually alluding to a post about Dota. We need extremities to remind us where the middle is. I’m a knee jerk Jew basher/defender depending on who I’m talking to.
Talking to assholes is useful towards pulling you back to the center.
Or you start to tank down with them.
Be glad that arabs are hot headed shitheads. Zionists win by default. I’ll sign up for Zionism right now if I had to choose between the flag burners and Jews.
“Zionists win by default.”
If only they would let Arabs and Gaza Groupies speak for themselves there would be no need for Hasbara.
Yeah, seriously.
If the Palestinians actually spoke for themselves they might let slip things like “Israel will be forced into the sea” or “Death to America”
They are the same people who fall for the Tibetan cause. Anti war pacifists eat this crap up.
The zionists are outrageous as well. They’re always looking for anti Israel acitvity wherever they go, and they always launch on the offensive. Their were massive counter campaigns at my university before there even was a Palestinian Solidarity Movement. They held an Israel Peace week and Holocaust Awareness week because they heard that someone 500 miles away was holding a Pro Palestinian rally.
Yeah the hard Zionists are ridiculously paranoid. Then again the Palestinians, Arabs, and Iranian ridiculously want to annihilate all Jews.
I think campaigning in the US is one of the stupider things they could possibly do. We don’t ever see the Arabs, we do however see Jews acting like nutty thought police. Horrible idea.
See stuff like that. I have no idea what the hell you are saying there. I like that about you.
Jameson
This is the form of fundamentalist Christianity I was referring to.
LOL brought up on Jew watch. That’s funny.
Here watch this some time. It’s a Jewish guy doing a documentary on anti semites and he goes on Jew Watch radio.
He seems oblivious to how much Jews actually influence the world but it’s still a good documentary.
Jewwatch is ridiculous though. It amounts to flattery.
The Alex Jones of antisemitism.
My dad became a super jew because irish catholics used to spit on him.
That’ll do it. How long ago was that?
During his youth. 50 odd years ago.
Does he still despise them with a passion?
Irish Catholics? No. But he is always on the lookout for antisemitism.
Pretty much. The big thing Jew haters don’t seem to be willing to accept is that Jews achieve by being exceptionally talented. They are certainly the most prolific group of people in the world by far. A lot of envy plays in on the hate though.
Now that we’re all jewed out…I’d be the first to admit that we came late to the party, and that we only accomplished great things because we stood on the shoulders of giants.
Lol they came late to the party because they weren’t invited to the party before Napoleon. Of coarse Jews picked up on what Gentiles created.
If I may ask what specifically are you are talking about?
GSG you don’t want to drink the Jew koolaid with us? You wont feel a thing I swear lol.
And most jews resided in Eastern Europe, and the festivities were in Western Europe. But there were opportunities to integrate dating back to the early-mid 1600th century, and jewish leaders were ambivalent because they feared assimilation.
The best way to deal with jews is to put up with their shenanigans for 2-3 generations and then they will have been bred out. Antisemites will use blanket terms like Jew Banks or Jew Media, yet most of the decendents of the Rothschilds or Sulzberger are less than half jewish.
Well they are already being bred out yeah?
Most of the decendents of the families that were once synonymous once associated with jewish wealth and power (mostly German Yekkes or Portuguese Sephardim) are non jewish.
You were saying that Jews stood on Giants shoulders. What were you referring to?
Well The Giants are an NY team.
European Christians laid the foundations for Western Civilization.
You don’t have to be a paranoid zionist. But don’t get persuaded by antisemites.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-05-29/news/0305290123_1_paul-fromm-experimental-hypnosis-psychology
“She actually characterized Hitler as an excellent mass hypnotist,” he said. “During his speech, after a while she began to think very badly of the Jews, and she is Jewish. Eventually, she shook herself out of it … but she reflected on that many times after she became an expert in hypnosis.”
Mrs Fromm actually taught my father at Chicago.
Oh I’m pretty grounded and won’t get swept up by anything too drastic. but I do think one has to understand where the critics are coming from. I value intellectual honesty.
I still wished I had lived through the beginning of the philosemitic era starting in the ’60′s.
What would you call the world currently then?
The modern world is crap. And we’re nearing the end of the judeophilic era. It’s all going downhill from here. There’s nothing I can do about it.
I mean there is no way Catholics in Massachusetts were ever philosemetic. You probably weren’t going to be in luck there whenever you were born.
Why so sad GSG? Jews are doing better than they ever have in history really.
You know I think you are crazy to think philosemitics is somehow over. The Deep South and the Mormons are still very much Zionist.
Things have changed. My dad got spit on inbrookline village as well as South Boston. That would never happen today. I have heard of incidents at sports events, in which a jewish school plays against a catholic school, but that is about it. But the teachers secretly love it as it provides the kids with real world experience.
I think the philosemitic era is coming to a close due to the behavior of the organized jewish elite. If they keep going at this rate, outrageous stuff will become more acceptable.
Evangelicals make up the majority of the armed forces, and a lot of them are disaffected.
I can see what’s coming. I knew it back in 2001 as well.
I wish the jewish baby boomers and X’ers eat shit so we don’t have to.
The ones that you hear about being disaffected are the 4 and out crowd who went to Iraq. Disaffected because they didn’t know what the hell they were doing there. I don’t think the military on large is disaffected. The wars have done a lot to get the military up to speed and sharp.
You know I’m surprised no one on the site has brings up the Iran problem. We are standing on the brink of having to whup their asses next. The whole muslim world were rioting and having anti US and Israel protests. Killing our ambassador.
Highlights:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/13/riots-erupt-by-u-s-embassy-in-egypt-and-yemen.html
Graffiti that has been sprayed across the U.S. Embassy in Egypt reads, “Take care America, we are 1.5 billion Bin Ladens.”
http://rt.com/news/buddhist-temples-torched-bangladesh-342/
http://rt.com/news/anti-american-protests-live-updates-053/
There were actually way crazy videos breaking on RT that seem to have been taken off. Yeah better learn to love Israel because there are a whole lot of Muslims that want to kill us.
I would be weary of the anti war left, because on Iranian sites they cover Occupy Wall St! They love signs of American weakness.
“I wish the jewish baby boomers and X’ers eat shit so we don’t have to.”
If the walls come tumbling the baby boomers won’t be enjoying the cushy retirement they think they are getting. I don’t see how they possibly will be able to get what they are supposed to.
The problem is vets will now be able to attribute any act of US aggression in the ME to the Israeli lobby and they won’t have to take credit for their own behavior. Since there is no draft, many people join the military do so with the intention of being killers and rapists, so I don’t feel very sorry for them, and don’t think they should be able to shift blame.
GSG, the millitary has always been a place for killers by definition. If you aren’t in the military to kill I don’t know what the hell you are thinking.
Frankly women have always been the spoils of war. There will always be war time rape as long as there is war. This isn’t unique to any culture.
Numbers 31
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
The Christians in the military are practically brought up on the crusades dialogue. They don’t actually care that they are defending Israel. None of the industrial complex cares. The Leaders just want to win and have the political support they need to do so(they haven’t). Afghanistan was never winnable but the it showed just how far the US would go if a country was harboring enemies of the state. Al Queda is basically a leaderless disorganized franchise at this point. Like we’ve only lost about 9 thousand soldiers, showing modern military is pretty good at minimizing risk and keeping people from becoming casualties.
All in all the military is fine. The lack of support of the wars stateside just creates the perception of military tragedy. I do wish these guys had way more support in transition back to civilian life so they didn’t fall off the buck so hard. It’s tough for the culture to admit that they need help with coping after what goes on over there. But hey, secular civilians really don’t understand or relate what war is actually like.
I would like to feel sorry for the US military, but I don’t.
Check out Veterans Today. Many of the whiners are from evangelical backgrounds.
Being sympathized is not what they are looking for. More just a matter of relate ability and understanding of the experiences they had is what they would want. Of coarse that is never going to happen in America so they end up looking to the bottoms of society for people who have such relate ability to sheer intensity of living.
I assure you that the vast majority of military personnel do not like the whiners that feed the press with ‘poor me’ bullshit.
Out of curiosity have you happened to encounter any IDF?
Since there is no draft, many people join the military do so with the intention of being killers and rapists, so I don’t feel very sorry for them, and don’t think they should be able to shift blame.
For their actual actions during the war, you’re correct.
However, at the same time, one would have to be living under a rock not to know that much of this country’s current Middle Eastern policy, particularly the second Iraq War and the saber rattling against Iran, has been driven by the Israel lobby.
Apologies should not be made for the atrocities of U.S. imperialism. However, if such atrocities are to be committed, I would prefer that they were done in the name of U.S, and not Israeli interests.
I know Israelis and Americans who have served in the IDF. I’ve actively discouraged any American I know from serving, and working for AIPAC. I think any American who has served in the IDF or a foreign army should be stripped of their citizenship.
But I have mixed feeings on the IDF soldiers. It is different from the US military. I certainly don’t believe it is more moral, but Military Service is mandatory for all except Haredi women so the IDF is more diverse in this sense. Also, most Sabra soldiers have grown up in the battlefield that is the state of Israel, so have experienced all that comes with it. Many have had relatives or friends die in suicide bombings or heard rockets land within miles of their home. The IDF has a string presence in society, and military training and self victimhood is integrated throughout the curriculum. The same can not be said for a soldier who grew up in a small town in Alabama.
Gay Area Guy
I don’t feel sorry for them because they were not forced to serve.
BAG- If you could display to me a war in which killing and rape did not occur I would take the complaint with a higher validity. However if you were aware of the heavy limitations and regulations that have come into effect since the Obama administration you would know that the atrocities of war have become highly limited and controlled. In Afghanistan a soldier cannot even begin to fire on someone unless they have intelligence that the person is an insurgent or otherwise the person fires on them beforehand. The soldiers are not allowed off base except during specific missions in which they have an objective to achieve. This is not the Vietnam or even early Iraq days when soldiers ran amuck causing problems in the population. They are not even allowed to drink alcohol overseas and. The standards for minimizing collateral damage are unquestionably more stringent than at any other time in the history of the military.
GSG-
So would you rather that Israel fights without US support? You certainly don’t want people who G-D forbid decided to defend the country on their own free will. I don’t see how this is a valid argument for saying the human cost of war is should be shunned by a society. I would think an IDF or US soldier should be given all the support they can to be able to carry on a normal life once again after they have given their service.
I would accept the idea that Israel is more intimately connected with the cause and purpose behind what it is they are engaged in combat for, search raids on the Palestinians are exactly the same as the search raids that take place on Iraqi and Afghan civillians. This has however again become obsolete in that it was causing resentment and discontent among the people. They don’t use this procedure ever sense the Obama administration along with the campaign to win ‘hearts and minds’ of the population and prove that they are more supportive of Afghan interests than say the Taliban who go around bombing womens schools and attacking civilians who accept US aid.
My apologies. Many people enter the armed forces with the intention of serving and for many US soldiers, military service is a right of passage in their society. But I don’t place them on the same category as IDF soldiers. When I ranted about soldiers in a previous post, I was referring strictly to people who have committed war crimes themselves and would prefer to attribute those crimes to the armchair generals of the neoconservative movement. Of course I support benefits for soldiers and am appalled by treatment of veterans on liberal campuses.
Hopefully the soldiers and military families are war weary and wouldn’t mind eliminating much of the Pentagon budget and seeing it redirected to other areas. I would hope that most American soldiers currently serving in Afghanistan know that they are wasting their time and engaging in counter productive activities.
What war on organic food?
The rape that has occurred has been from the large factory farm companies who have tried to sue organic farmers out of existence in order to protect their profits by planting their crops on organic farms and then suing for copyright infringement. The organic farmers are defenseless to settle with the corporate giants due to the incredible amount of legal fees that can run up into the millions.They also clandestinely try to kill off the crops or contaminate them via having their non-organic pesticide farms be competitively grown within the vicinity of the organic farms. Look to Monsanto the multinational corporate giant as the prototype of this kind of sinister attack on organic farmers.
Is it related to the drought?
Can’t stand the organic and green industry.
howd i know you would take my organic comment seriously?
What’s not to like about it? The food is generally better quality and tastes better, isn’t covered in wax and pesticides. Places like Russia have recently banned GMO’s and largely use organic food now. France just discovered that GMO foods cause cancer in mice. Hopefully it’s on the way to becoming the norm and the world can benefit.
If it were promoted in the grounds of health benefits rather than marketed as a lifestyle or hijacked as a political movement, I would have no problem with it. Same with Environmental Organizations.
I know. The health food section oozes with the scent. It’s hypnotizing.
Ems right, it’s not the food you dislike. It’s the hippie crowd.
Lol at the elitist people who think organic food makes them a better person. Organic supremacists!
The best way to troll the health food pricks. Walk in with a bag from McDonalds and then look around and say loudly “this stuff is way cheaper at Walmart!”
My neighbor demanded that her husbaand replant the entire garden with organic grass, bushes, and shrubs.
Her husband wouldn’t uproot the trees though.
Please don’t go. Where can we meet again?
Was that a loaded statement?
You say he’s a Jew, does it mean that he’s tight?
You say he’s a Jew, do you want to hurt his kids tonight?
You say he’s a Jew, he’ll never wear that funny hat again.
You say he’s a Jew as though being born were a sin.
Oh Jew, oh Jew, do you hate him
Cause he’s pieces of you?
Do you hate him, Cause he’s pieces of you.
Are you really leaving?
@Gay State Girl No, Im serious…it would be great to meet you in “real” life.
@Jameson7 Ill already be gone by the time you read this!
Is that Jewel Kilcher?
Em, I’m a Christian and it appears your understanding of Christianity is flawed. Also, re the Palestinian question, perhaps you should examine the contents of iamthewitness.com and the article by Jewish Author Judy Andreas’ called “Zionism is Nobody’s Friend” (rense.com/general71/zzon.htm ) before commenting again. In the interim, please read from A-Z, the following points for your elucidation:
A) Contemporary Jewish religion is based on the Talmud more so than the Old Testament or Torah. The Talmud also states obscene/ disparaging things re Jesus and Mary – see http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html . Moreover, the Talmud calls goyim/ gentiles “animals” and advocates lying to gentiles/ goyim (see the Kol Nidre), murdering gentiles/ goyim and stealing from gentiles/ goyim with immunity. It also advocates genocide, bestiality and pedophilia – little wonder then than satanist Anton LeVey was born a Jew (as some Jews claim their god is in fact satan – also called saturn/ chronos/ orion/ horus etc). ***HOWEVER, MOST Jews are NOT aware (or at least reject) that their MOST SACRED BOOK, the TALMUD, contains racist/ genocidal/ perverted stipulations. They would be HORRIFIED if they knew the truth and would not support it in any way!!! Take, for example, the heroic, noble, anti-NWO Jewish director Aaron Russo. He exposed the satanists and rejected their friendship. He also believed we’re all beloved children of a Holy and Benevolent God. In this way, the Talmud is more or less a secret codex kept and adhered by a small number of secular /religious satanic-Jewish leaders and their gentile satanic patsies. Indeed, the Talmud is the ELites satanic dogma.
B) Note the word Aryan is an alternative spelling of Orion. Furthermore, note that the Pyramids (which the satanic Sabbatean Frankist Jewish Elites use as their symbol for their Elite tyranny i.e. the despotic satanic elite ruling the majority slaves/ goyim), aligns with the astronomical constellation of Orion.
C) According to New Age legend/ satanic-jewish bankster beliefs, Orion is the home of the Annunaki/ Nephilim. These Annunaki/ Nephilm are also deemed the forebears of the Aryan Elite caste i.e. those chosen to rule the world in whatever culture around the world. They are the Sumerians (sum-Aryans) demi-god rulers, of which some have argued are the forebears of the Hunnic/ Turkic KHAZARS – that is, the real ancestors of 90-95% of Ashkenazi Jews (no…Khazars are not the original Israelites!). Most true Judeans/ Israelites have been annihilated by these secret satanic Elite convert Jews. https://beyondthecurtain.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/the-khazars-magyars-rothschilds-and-sumer-david-icke-guide-to-the-global-conspiracy/ (BTW, I DON’T believe all of David Icke’s hypothesis re the elite being alien lizard shapeshifters etc, however, his historical analysis of the origins of the elite Khazars is useful and accessible).
D) The Merovingians, forebears of most European royalty, were said to be Annunaki/ Nephilim (complete baloney of course!). Instead, they appear to be Khazarian convert Jews/ Sumerian Elite. [Note the Merovingians used the star of satan/ khazaria/ rempha (See watch.pair.com/mark2.html ) as their symbol which now features on the freemasonic/ satanic Is-Ra-Hell’s flag]. Unsurprising then, the word Khazar is similar to Kaiser, Czar, Caesar etc. [NOTE: Caesarion was the last would-be pharaoh of Egypt (the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar). According to legend, Caesarion was smuggled into KHAZARIA by the Egyptian priesthood (which was named after Caesarion). Therefore, according to legend, Khazar leaders are the offspring of Caesarion, and thus rightful heirs of the Holy Roman Empire i.e. Europe & the World. See http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=190259 ]
E) Nazi/ Theosophy/ Freemasonry/ Satanism/ Atlantean/ New Age/ Communism/ Socialism/ New World Order/ Zionism/ Neo-Cons/ Fascists/ Talmudism etc are ALL variants of the SAME satanic ideology. Of course, the majority of people don’t know this is true. [Examine articles by Henry Makow and Alex Jones].
F) The Talmud and Zohar etc contains Babylonian witchcraft (i.e. how to hex people etc) and is filled with racist diatribes/ perverted Pharisaic precepts…the same precepts that Jesus preached against. Indeed, Jesus called the Pharisees the “Synagogue of Satan” and fake Jews. So Em, you must understand that the term Judeo-Christian is a Zionist fabrication. There’s NO connection whatsoever between Pharisaic/ Talmudic/ contemporary Judaism and Christianity. For example, Jesus ONLY referenced certain parts of the Old Testament and not the later constructed Jewish Talmud/ Zohar etc (which was a Babylonian text and created at a much later epoch). There is, in fact, only one small “Jewish sect” that carries on the original Israelite religion and references the Torah/ Old Testament ONLY: they’re called the Karaites. These Karaites are severely persecuted within Is-Ra-Hell (as are non-“white” Jews). I also think Ethiopian Jews reference the Torah only. They’re also heavily persecuted in Is-Ra-Hell.
G) The majority of Jews (90-95%) are not from the original Israelite tribes, they derive from Khazarian extraction (i.e. please examine comparative genetic studies and their genetic haplogroups and you’ll see it’s more analogous to Greek/ Georgian/ Turkic haplogroups not original Judean/ Israelite haplogroups). In fact, the majority of Palestinians have more original Israelite haplogroup genetics than the Khazarian/ Ashkenazi Jews. This would entail Palestinians are the rightful inhabitants of Palestine (unlike the Khariazian/ Turkic Jewish occupiers).
H) It seems Khazians are the forebears of Huns/ Hunnic peoples, historic Trojans and furthermore, related to Sumerians (i.e. sum -ARIANS). Hence, the Sumerian’s kingly caste were not the Israelites, but Turkic/ central Asian. Also, their own folklores/ legends state their Elites are the Sumerian Annunaki/ nephilim (which is ridiculous of course! See Dr Heiser’s http://sitchiniswrong.com ). These “Elites”, therefore, regard themselves the “Master Race” (as the NWO stooge Hitler expounded), or angelic/ gods. They’re also called the “Aryans”. [Note in satanic/ luciferic Theosophical treatise, the Aryan/ Huns/ Sumerian/ Khazar pseudo-Jewish etc satanic ELITE originated in Atlantis, a mythical place ruled by satan/ saturn/ chronos see http://watch.pair.com/taurus.html watch.pair.com/taurus.html). These Aryans revered the symbol of the swastika. According to the satanic/ luciferic Theosophical society founders, Madame Blavatsky/ Annie Bessant/ UN architects etc, the Aryans/ Annunaki/ Atlanteans invented Hinduism and the Swastika. They also practiced human sacrifice, just as the Sumerians and satanists practiced human sacrifice. [NOTE: many other archaic pagan religions also advocated human sacrifice like Druidism, the Aztecs etc and some ancient/ heretical strands of Judaism – see Moloch in the Old Testament).
I) Khazars, (which appear to be the ancestors of the Sumerians), used the incorrectly deemed ‘star of david’ (really the satanic star of rempha), on their burial sites. It’s also the symbol of a certain infamous dynastic group (Elite banksters). Ergo, it’s not an Israelite symbol AT ALL! It’s the symbol of Khazaria and pseudo-Jewish satanic banksters i.e. the would-be global kings of the post-apocalyptic NWO satanic world – known euphemistically as saturn’s/ satan’s “Golden Age” or The Reich.
J) The MAJORITY of Khazarian convert Jews and bono-fide original Israelite Jews are NOT colluding with the NWO Satanists. Instead, most are victims of the satanic ELITE agenda/ wars/ disinformation/ depopulation/ genocide/ moral degeneracy plans (just as the majority of gentiles are victims of the satanic elite’s evil charade and subterfuge).
K) Please be aware that Is-Ra-Hell’s flag has the satanic star of rempha on it (or Solomon's seal), it’s not the star of david. These satanists also regard the trapezoid as their most demonic shape which can conjure “diablos” (see 2012 satanic Olympics Zion logo).
L) The architect of the luciferic Olympic Games (i.e. satanic games), Herzl, also proposed the formation of Is-Ra-Hell in the late 1800s (for his satanic Elite bosses). The Olympic rings represent the rings of satan/ saturn.
M) Satanists also revere the black stone (another symbol of satan worshipped at satan’s HQ – the UN’s prayer room), as well as the pyramid/ triangle/ cube/ diamond shape/ V/ X etc/ 8/ hourglass/ merkaba/ tetrahedron (all hidden within a 3D pyramid). Their symbol is also X (a symbol of a satanic club, it’s also a symbol of satan). Now Em, think of all the places in which popular culture references X… yes, satanism is embedded EVERYWHERE). Additionally, their symbols include the luciferic torch, z for Zionism, the eye of Ra/ satan, the lightening symbol for lucifer, the sun/sun god symbol etc, and you’ll see their symbols everywhere too. Indeed Hollywood = the type of wood satanists/ druids use for their “magick” wands to cast spells. (Yes, movies and 96% of mainstream media is controlled/ owned by witchcraft wielding zionists/ satanists). These popular mediums are used to both implant memes and change culture etc (as well as entropy gentile cultures – morally, spiritually and physically).
N) The satanic elites believe the greater the audience numbers, the greater the effect/ outcome of their magic. Another of their magickical schemes includes depicting or replicating a desired scenario before attempting it in real time. (No, those apocalyptic, violent, degrading movies are not benign artistic endeavors. They’re diabolically designed to entrance a greater audience (to view/ focus energy on a depicted “dry-run” of an event,) in order to help actualize the event in real time (according to satanic doctrine).
O) 11 (or any multiples of 11, like 22, 33 etc) = Destruction. Notice satanically conspired catastrophes happen on the 11, 22 etc (or on satanic days of significance/ sacrifice).
P) In Hebrew, the letters V or W = 6. You’ll notice this number 6 or derivatives of 666 etc (symbol of the beast/ satan) EVERYWHERE: the world-wide-web nomenclature www = 666, Hitler’s VolksWagen, the show “the VieW” (where w = 66 plus v = 6), the monster drink has the Hebrew numbers 666 on it, so do barcodes etc, and Churchill’s V for victory sign = satan’s victory (yes Churchill was a Zionist satanic crypto-Jew) etc
Q) Satanic jews and satanic gentiles call themselves the serpent race. They revere the snake and dragon as their symbols. They seek advantage through deception/ lies/ chaos/ evil. They believe they are the offspring of Cain. They also believe that the satanic unicorn and satanic lion referenced in the Holy Bible is the opposite of the Holy Lion of God/ Lion of Judah and so use it in their emblems/ logos (along with the serpent/ red dragon/ bistea neptunis/ sea bull etc). They also see themselves as wolves (in sheep’s clothing – see their front group ‘the Fabian society’s’ emblem). Moreover, they like to ‘darken’ their right eye in photographs/ pictures – a reference to the false prophet/ satan that ‘leads the flock astray’.
R) Do you realize that the new world order is the satanic new world order that Hitler advocated in his book called "NEW WORLD ORDER" (note that Hitler was ¼ Jewish, possibly of satanic Elite bankster extraction).
S) Do you also realize the cryptic meaning of “NAZI” has etymological roots in the word AshkeNAZI (yes the Ashkenazi secret elite orchestrated WWI/ WWII and now impeding WWIII...they intend to annihilate 2/3 of Jews and the majority (or indeed ALL goyim/ gentiles to fulfill their evil satanic prophecy). The word “Ashkenazi” is not German, instead it references a place in ancient Turkey/ Khazaria.
T) Do you realize that most Jews were happy to live in Europe and lived happily with gentiles! It was the satanic NWO bankster/ Sabbatean Frankists/ pseudo-Jewish/ satanic Khazars that wanted to create their satanic counterfeit Is-Ra-HELL (so they could cause wars in the middle-east and the Moslem world…their plan was world hegemony…once they conquered the Moslem world (by enlisting unwitting gentiles as their solider slave army), they would then go after Christians and other non-Satanic gentiles! See the Noahide Laws
Furthermore, read the Protocols of Zion or Alfred Pike’s treatise (Freemason) in-depth…. it’s not a hoax, it is the REAL BLUEPRINT of the satanic world takeover. They want the world to worship lucifer/ satan/ the satanic elite (see the UN’s planned forced Luciferic initiation), and annihilate 2/3 of Jews and most or all gentiles, especially Christians!!!
Basically, WWI & WWII were designed by these satanists to annihilate Christians and Christendom, just as their current wars in the Moslem world are designed to annihilate the Moslems. Research extensively and you’ll see that prior to their diabolical schemes, and from after the middle-ages, Jews/ Christians/ Moslems etc lived together more or less in peace. INDEED, MOST PEOPLE AROUND THE WOLRD ARE MODERATES AND WANT PEACE. IT’S THE SATANIC BANKSTERS THAT WANT & WAGE WAR. THESE SATANISTS BACK MINORITY PATSIES/ RADICALS FROM EACH RELIGION/ POLITICAL GROUP/ COUNTRY TO START WARS AND DRAG THE REST OF US INTO IT!!!!! DON’T BE A FOOL. STAND FOR PEACE. DON’T SUPPORT THEIR EVIL WARS.
U) Note that the Pleiades/ UFO/ Nibiru/ Planet X/ Ancient Alien theories are complete NWO/ freemasonic disinformation i.e garbage. Research Dr Von Braun, Bill Cooper, Dr Heiser, Dr Vallee etc for the truth. For example, according to racist New Age/ NWO/ Freemasonic etc ideology, Elite Aryans/ Annunaki are the white master race and originate from outer space i.e. Pleiades. However, if you look at scientific fact, whites are really the ALBINO offspring of Africans/ Asians. For scientific/ genetic facts and supporting evidence/ pictures, see realhistoryww.com [Note, whilst I don’t agree with many key arguments offered in this website, I do agree that the phenotype commonly named “white Europeans” are in fact the offspring of Albino Africans and Albino Asians. The scientific and genetic evidence is incontrovertible].
V) To understand the secret elite bankster endgame, research Dr Laibow/ fluoridation/ vaccinations/ chemtrails/ HARRP/ Agenda 21/ transhumanism/ ex-humanism/ chimera/ hybridization etc…they are planning a 90% plus world depopulation and end of natural humanity.
W) Em, please be aware that the architects and leaders of Zionism/ Is-Ra-Hell ignored the calls for the boycott of NAZI German goods during WWII…why?? After reading the aforementioned points, it should be obvious to you!
X) The majority of Is-Ra-Hell’s citizens are unwitting victims of the globalist anti-human agenda. They need to be enlightened to the truth, rescued and not scorned – just like the Palestinians and Moslem people elsewhere (under NWO siege) that need to be rescued from the evil globalist takeover!!!! Likewise, not all freemasons etc are evil, they simply don’t know the evil schemes of their satanic Elite leaders but are being used and “hoodwinked” like the rest of humanity. Thus, you must ascertain a person’s heart & real intentions individually, not as a group.
Y) Palestinians should have their land returned to them ASAP. It belongs ONLY to them and their fellow minority of indigenous Jews/ indigenous Christians etc (and NOT the Khazarian Jewish illegal occupiers!!!). If necessary, repatriate the majority of Israel’s Khazarian Jews to lands in ancient Khazaria (which was first planned in Zionist circles), place of birth/ origin or the West.
Z) Yes Em, it’s time to WAKE-UP!!! That is, if you’re not a fake Christian nor disinformation agent (???!!!!). Most people around the world are being used as pawns in the diabolical/ ego-maniacal/ psychopathic Zionist/ Atlantean/ satanic game. It’s their raison d’être– the DIALECTIC i.e. they live to be the “hidden hand”/ god of history, the adversary, to manage/ control opposition and as well as direct/ control ALL sides of opposition; thus, you’ll see their puppets as key leaders from ALL political streams, environmental movements/ organizations, religions, governments, corporations etc. [For example, the current Pope seems to be a pseudo-Catholic i.e. he was born a Jew, supports the NWO and shakes hands like a FREEMASON (which is anathema according to Catholic law). In fact, Fr Malachi Martin warned that the Catholic Church leadership had been infiltrated and hijacked by the powerful satanist NWO (as outlined in the Protocols of Zion, see http://watch-unto-prayer.org/protocols-of-zion.html). This has also occurred within the Evangelical movement and Protestant Churches – think John Hagee and the Christian Zionists.
So, my point is this Em, all good people, whether Christian/ Jewish/ Moslem/ Atheist/ Pagan/ Agnostic/Hindu etc should unite in peace… we need to ensure freedom of religion/ free speech/ free society/ humanitarianism/ individual human rights/ love/ champion environmentalism/ animal rights/ peace on earth etc. As Jesus Christ stated beautifully, we should “Love One Another” irrespective of religion/ race etc. We should also FREE PALESTINE NOW & return it to the indigenous Palestinians – be they Moslem, Jews, Christian etc.
Peace + Love to All.
Em, my posts are 100% plagiarism free (i.e. it contains my own words…feel free to run it through a plagiarism program if you’re bored). Enjoy your day
FREE PALESTINE! http://iamthewitness.com
Peace +
No, I don’t care about that. I hope that Pallies resume killing each another once the Israelis are gone. That was the biggest mistake.
PS This might be of interest to Christians and others http://www.americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.com.au/
Peace +
A fundamentalist in her own right.
6 (million) American jews
6 (million) Israeli jews
Famous 6 (million)
I wonder how long it will take for some fundie to seize on it.
LOL.
But most of them are revisionists so that might be flawed.