Mike, you seem to think that I’m saying blacks are a different species. I’m not. The blacks I’ve been acquainted with have been no smarter or dumber than anyone else I know.
What gets my goat about your comments is that you’ve taken an equally offensive position by saying Africans are more evolved than Europeans, without even having had a major civilization technological advances to back it up (Egypt doesn’t count).
Basically, what it boils down to is: certain groups of Africans are evolved to run fast, run longer, rule the boxing ring and football field etc. Now if you agree with this statement, as you said you do, then it is reasonable to say certain groups of Asians and Whites are evolved to be better at maths and science, as they dominate both fields. Simply put, if Africans could, they would.
I would certainly disagree with this statement: The blacks I’ve been acquainted with have been no smarter or dumber than anyone else I know.
I have met a tremendous number of persons in my life, both White and Black. Surely it is in the 10′s of 1000′s. I used to teach school, whole classes of all Blacks, all Whites, all Japanese, all Jews, all Filipinos, all Samoans, whatever. If you have an open mind when you do this, behavior and intelligence differences between groups are so obvious that they leap out and hit you in the face.
Now previously, I believed that the races were all equal in intelligence. I beleived that the IQ tests were biased and failed to accurately measure the intelligence of certain races like Blacks. In short, I was a typical liberal. Nevertheless, I had an open mind, and I started studying racial differences in IQ all the way back in my late teens, probably spurred by my liberal mother, who always held that there were racial differences in intelligence. My liberal father would not tolerate such talk and would start pounding the table and order everyone to shut up.
“You don’t understand!” he would holler. “That means there’s no hope! That means there’s no hope!” What my father meant was that if the IQ tests were correct and Blacks were indeed ~13.5 points below Whites, then there was basically no hope for the Black race other than them closing the gap, which probably seemed unlikely even to my father.
My liberal sister couldn’t handle it either. She would throw a yelling fit, call people racists, and order everyone shut up. Everyone’s appetite would be ruined. She was the product of a Sociology degree at UC Santa Cruz (The People’s Republic of Santa Cruz), and that shows you what a degree from a place like that will do to your brain.
It was only after several years of teaching thousands of Blacks, Whites and others that I really started thinking about this stuff. It got so that as I saw the class filing in, looking at the ethnic (and gender) makeup, I could almost predict the intelligence levels and social behavior of the class. One wild card was gender with Blacks. Even in the heart of the ghetto, there are university level courses filled with Blacks. But they are almost all Black girls. There’s hardly Black boy in the room. And the behavioral level of Black females, especially the brighter ones, is vastly better than Black males.
Then I really started doing some thinking, and I started printing out Richard Lynn’s work. I gave a printout of it to my mother once on a visit. She was working for a psychologist who conducted testing for corporations. He also gave out a lot of IQ tests. He had given over 600 IQ tests in his time. He was very liberal and had always been taught that there were no differences between the races, but he was starting to wonder if it was true. After he read Lynn’s work, he said to my mother, “You know, I have always wondered if this was true. They come in here from all walks of life, and I can almost predict the IQ when the person walks in. The Asians and Jews are the smartest, then the Hispanics and last are Blacks. Education doesn’t seem to have much to do with it. I ask these high IQ Asians, ‘So I guess you studied real hard in school, right? And they laugh and say, ‘Are you kidding? Why study? School was easy. We mostly screwed around, maybe study a little the night before a test.’ Then a lot of your 100 IQ types said they studied all the time, but still got relatively poor grades. I started to question the idea that people were smart because they studied all the time.”
The psychologist all said that Mormons were stupid. “Very nice people, the nicest people you’ve ever met,” he said. “But they sure are dumb. As dumb as rocks.”
It was after years of teaching and in addition working my way through several Black women, including a long term relationship with one. She was a university grad, but she wasn’t all that smart. She was having me write her university English papers for her because basically she wasn’t smart enough to write them. And she was one of the smart ones.
My conclusion after dealing with tens of thousands of Whites and Blacks up close and personal is that the intelligence differences between the races are quite apparent. They are not immediately obvious, and many, many Blacks are “smart enough.” They are often excellent at basic intelligence, social intelligence, reading people psychologically. Quite a few Black males are great at fixing just about anything that needs fixing around the house. Obviously there are highly intelligent and intellectual Blacks (one is the co-owner of this site with me), but they are just not that common.
The intelligence difference between Whites and Blacks is not immediately obvious just talking to various White and Black folks you may know. Black intelligence is such that it appears quite normal on the surface for some reason, probably because most casual interaction doesn’t require a whole lot of brains. Also there seems to be something to the notion that Blacks can “fake it” and seem a lot smarter than they are. I am also ashamed to admit that a very large number of White people act very dumb in casual encounters, have little to no intellectual sense, and have so little knowledge of current affairs that they seems like morons.
The B-W differences on the observational level only seem to come up after years of interaction and are most obvious on highly intellectually demanding tasks. For the vast majority of tasks needed to function in society, Blacks are perfectly smart enough.
My conclusion is that the ~1 standard deviation difference on IQ tests between Blacks and Whites is not just an artifact produced by biased testing, but is a real intelligence difference between the races. The reality of these test scores’ conclusion has been born out by my casual investigations in over fifty years of life, in which I concluded that Blacks are simply not as intelligent as Whites.
Alpha Unit
jacobbauthumley
There are studies that socialization early in life is critical to mature brain development. Even if a black child is adopted by a white family he still will not receive that optimal socialization in America (at least).
this reply is to everyone from all the races, this is my promotion and please help the manga-anime market to grow in your country, among my ambitions is that more and more people know and enjoy manga-anime, i think among the benefits of manga-anime in your country is more job opportunities among your fellow compatriots who happened to work for the new manga editorials in your country or the new anime dub studio in your country ,follow the example of other countries
( europe seems stronger for the manga and north america for the anime)
At Frankfurt’s largest bookstore, Hugendubel, 18-year-old Svenja Malis bypasses the best sellers and heads to the comics section. She’s not looking for the latest Betty and Veronica or Supergirl, but MANGA, the richly illustrated Japanese comics that tell stories of love, mystery, and even horror. A friend got Malis hooked on manga three years ago and, like many girls in her class, she began to finance the habit with her monthly allowance. “I could also read American comics, but I prefer the Japanese ones because they’re less clumsy,” she says. While Western comics such as Donald Duck, Tintin, and Asterix long dominated the European market, young readers like Malis are looking eastward. The Japan External Trade Organization says German and French sales of manga totaled $212.6 million last year, making Europe the largest consumer of manga outside Japan
how important is the American market to the Japanese? “The American market is big,it is the second largest ANIME market in the world, second only to Japan.” this fact shouldn’t be that shocking, but think about it a little more. While anime has been around for decades in the US and there has always been a small fan community surrounding it, the medium didn’t really “take off” over here until the Adult Swim Revolution eight years ago
Assigning yourself to a group with a high average IQ says nothing about your own individual score! Remember there is more variability within a group than between the average scores of different groups.
I have met many white people who are good at memorising facts but lack in critical reasoning ability. It is important to distinguish between what you would like to believe, and what is actually true.
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Have you considered any other explanations for the observed differences in test scores? Are there any confounding factors or complications with the experiment process? hmmm
Nope the scores are real. Whites are smarter than Blacks period. End of argument.
Now will it be this way forever? Who knows?
This is a great site btw. Lot’s of interesting stuff. Yes white skinned people are definitely more intelligent than brown skinned people. Absolutely.
“Lots” spot the deliberate typo there
Yes white skinned people are definitely more intelligent than brown skinned people. Absolutely.
Oh definitely. I have known this for quite some time now. However, some brownish skinned East Asians are smarter than US White folks. In general though, White people are smarter than all the dark and black races. The only races smarter than The Great White Man are the Asians or the Asiatics. And the Viets and Thais are apparently now our equals.
Just curious, what do you think accounts for the difference in economic development between SE Asian and Europe given that the IQs are in the same ballpark?
Uncle T,
SE Asians love nature.
Europeans hate nature.
The most important thing to do before accepting any argument is not whether it “makes you feel good” but whether it is true.
Most people I meet, black or white, do not follow this principle. We are all affected by bias – the important thing is to try to be aware of your own bias and think logically.
Review all the evidence. Focus on the opponents strongest arguments and examine the weak areas of your own position.
I would believe the concept of white intellectual superiority but there are a few too many complicating factors to these IQ arguments –
1) The IQ of many European and Asian countries (Taiwan, Ukraine – from recollection need to check!) are 90-95.
2) The IQ of recent African immigrants was found to be higher than Americans – black of white.
3) African populations contain almost 100% of human genetic diversity –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
African populations contain more genes and phenotypes than non African populations.
4) There is a low correlation between IQ and skin tone – i.e. blacks with lighter skin are not smarter than blacks with darker skin.
5) Children of immigrants have an IQ one standard deviation higher than their parents.
6) How can you quantify uncontrolled variables – the impact of beliefs, cultural practices and attitudes on IQ scores
We should really be a bit more concerned about whether a conclusion is scientific or not.
I oppose pseudoscience in all forms.
The average man is taller than the average woman. This doesn’t mean every single man is taller than every single woman or that some women are taller than most men. I wonder if supposed increases in black IQ are just the result of more half black half white blacks.
They are not a result of more breeding between Blacks and Whites.
How do you know? Do they test blacks who are 25% white, 50% white and 75% white separately?
Yes, this experiment has been performed several times.
There is no correlation with the underlying genes. For example see wikipedia on “Race and Intelligence”
Racial admixture studies
Many people have an ancestry from different geographic regions. For example, African Americans typically have ancestors from both Africa and Europe, with, on average, 20% of their genome inherited from European ancestors.[124] If racial IQ gaps have a partially genetic basis, blacks with a higher degree of European ancestry should on average have higher IQ, because the genes inherited from European ancestors would likely include some genes with a positive effect on IQ.[125]
John C. Loehlin describes several studies that have examined the relationship between ancestry levels and IQ. A 1936 study by Witty and Jenkins examined ancestry among African-Americans with very high IQ, and found that they did not have a higher degree of European ancestry than unselected African-Americans.[125] More recent studies have compared IQ to ancestry estimates based on skin color, and found the correlation of skin color to higher IQ (0.1-0.15) to be very low.[126]
Nisbett and Jensen have both argued that skin color is a highly imprecise measure of racial ancestry.[126] According to Loehlin, other studies comparing the IQs of mixed-race children to those two black parents or two white parents have produced similarly inconclusive results.[125]
The frequency of different blood types vary with ancestry. Correlations between degree of European blood types and IQ have varied between 0.05 and -0.38 in two studies from 1973 and 1977. Nisbett writes that one problem with these studies is that white blood genes are very weakly associated with one another in the black population, so they are not a reliable method of estimating ancestry.[127] T. Edward Reed, an expert on blood groups, argues that the methodology used in these studies would have been unable to detect any difference, regardless of whether or not the hereditarian hypothesis is correct.[128]
Some authors have suggested that new studies of the relationship ancestry and IQ should be performed using modern DNA-based ancestry estimations, which would provide a more reliable measure of ancestry than is possible based on skin tone or blood groups.[42][129]
I am yet to meet a smart white person. Some whites are smart but not enough to generalize. Some asians are smart but not enough to generalize. Some blacks are smart, but obviously, not enough to generalize. There are smart and dumb people in every ethnic group. You seem to be leaning to the dumb side.
All right jerkoff, you are banned.
A reasonable expectation but no that is not the case.
There is no direct correlation between genes or skin colour and IQ. Light skinned blacks do not outperform dark skinned blacks.
Likewise, recent African immigrants outperform both whites and blacks in America.
IQ correlates with the social group referred to as “black” regardless of the individuals genetic heritage.
The increases in black IQ over the past 30 years correlate with improvements in education and living standards – it has nothing to do with genetics or evolution.
Dev brings up the important point that many liberals accept the differentials in intelligence, but don’t believe it’s hereditary. Because blacks have historically been denied education opportunity, they don’t provide an intellectually stimulating environment in early childhood.
MB1 is correct that group differences aren’t individual scores. Which is why we should continue to support laws against discrimination; but reject those based on the premise that differentials in accomplishment constitute proof that barriers are the reason for them.
As to pseudoscience, as per MB2, there is no affirmative evidence anywhere that black intelligence is equal to white. If you look at successful ethnic groups that once suffered discrimination in America, like Chinese, Jews and Italians, they came out just fine, as was predictable from the successful societies they established in their homelands. Are the fates of Detroit, Zimbabwe, Haiti and Liberia uncorrelated with the ethnic composition of their population and leadership? Show me one place that was ever improved when black administration replaced white.
Good points, however
1) Correlation does not equal causation. Race is a primarily social construct. Therefore when we find a correlation between “race” and academic test results the key question is what is the cause?
2) Skin colour is highly superficial way of grouping people with diverse genes and phenotypes.
The social groupings used on the IQ test (blacks and whites) are not genetic in basis. Grouping all white skinned Americans and all black skinned Americans blacks” or “Africans” into a single racial group has little basis in genetics. However, it does have huge ramifications for social stratification. Have you heard of the blue eye / brown eye experiment?
3) Race is a largely social construct based on one or two highly superficial genes – those for skin colour and appearance. Consider another superficial gene – red hair.
Let us create another artificial group – people with red hair.
A theoretical example, imagine if people with red haired ancestors were by uneducated poor parents in impoverished communities, Their grand parents were not even to attend proper schools, Their parents were accordingly not much smarter.
They inherit the bottom rung. They face low expectations. They are raised in a superstitious and uneducated ghetto culture. Education and study are not valued. The home environment is not intellectually stimulating.
These people have been at the bottom of the pile for so long they have actually turned it into an art form – developing music and culture to go with their under achievement, failure and general attitude of self destruction and stupidity.
These people all have red hair and this makes them clearly identifiable. Other than their red hair size there is not much to identify them genetically.
Other than superficial hair colour they do not form a distinct or homogenous genetic group. They have been interbreeding with non-red hairs for generations. Many of them are only 10% red hair. The classification “red hair” is more social than genetic – i.e. one drop of red hair blood.
As expected we will find a correlation between these peoples red hair colour and their academic performance, Like black people their bad performance will not vary in proportion to how much red hair they have. Simply being part of the red haired group is enough to drop their IQ.
The red hair – low IQ correlation has predictive value – you see a person with red hair and you just know they are going to do badly on the test.
You are not very clever – I say this because you would rush to conclude their red hair is the cause! In doing so you make an argument from ignorance.
4) Argument from ignorance
Arguments from ignorance are logical fallacies – we do not know what genes govern intelligence or whether whites have more of them. We are aware white Americans have a higher average group score than a group of black Americans. We cannot state exactly why although there are many confounding factors.
To claim this difference is caused by the genes of the black Americans is to make an argument from ignorance
It is a matter of fact that there is no evidence of a genetic cause for the difference in average iq scores between “racial” groups.
Correlation is not causation.
Hello WmarkW
You connect Detroit, Zimbabwe, Haiti and Liberia based on the skin colour of the population? This type of over generalisation indicates a very low level of intellectual curiosity.
- Do you consider their skin colour to be the primary causative factor in their situation?
- Have you studied the recent and ancient histories of each population?
- Is there evidence of genetic change during the past 500 years within these populations? How were they doing before that?
- What evidence do you have that the genes governing their skin colour caused their predicament ?
- Which genes govern intelligence?
Correlation does not equate to causation – you need to ask “why” and “how” to find the right answer – don’t just stop at one that you like!
Growing up as I did in a primarily Hispanic community, I was not exposed to many White people until I was in college.
I’ve realized over time, much time, that Whites are generally not nearly as intelligent as I’d always been culturally indoctrinated to believe. Perhaps my inflated expectations make their intelligence seem so unimpressive, or maybe it really isn’t. White people thrive on speaking and expressing themselves in an elusively competent manner, but a lot of it is just smoke and mirrors.
Are you talking about THE legendary white man? He of the 100 IQ . The one that can’t answer the question what comes next 1, 3, 8, 18, ____., If you put a gun against to his head? THAT white man?
The one that believes there is an invisible man following you around at night recording every deed and when you die this ledger is read and you will go either to a cave of fire or sit on a cloud playing the harp for forever. THAT white man?
The one that has happily destroyed for his 1/4 acre of land , exterminated millions, for some fables read to him in a building topped with two right angle sticks 90% of animal life that one existed on our once happy planet? THAT white man?
The one that watches 4 hours SHIT on the TV, works selling clothes, monitored by security cams most of his life and can’t find France on a map. THAT white man?
You once had expectations for THAT man? LOL. LOL. LOL.
He also somehow constructed the modern world, globalization, and the idea of a universal human civilization.
Dota,
The world was always global. Whitey made things faster, etc. We know the story.
Anyway, I like my Muslims anti-globalization. There’s got to be some horrific cognitive dissonance going on with you, buddy.
Yes. The Great White Man did all of these things. I pray at his feet every day. Every morning I wake up, look up at the ceiling and think, “Thank God for making me White!”
The White man has been weak and sinful. He has taken a great opportunity and turned the world to shit. But has created an elite class of magicians whose specialty is telling us that we are fortunate and that we should be thankful.
“universal human civilization.”
A sick delusion. The kind of universalism you’re extolling (imagining) is beyond reach of the human race, but I’ll let you go on living your delusion.
I was thinking more along the lines of child beauty pageants, the Dave Matthews Band, and Hooters restaurants.
I was thinking more along the lines of child beauty pageants, the Dave Matthews Band, and Hooters restaurants.
But these are the things that make the White Man so Great! Do you not understand this??
This may be, in fact is, the problem. Success has made the White man slothful and a sinner and he is full of avarice!
“Success has made the White man slothful and a sinner and he is full of avarice!”
Exactly. There is always the need to test the limits, to reach further and build the tower and tinker with mother nature and this is certainly is not exclusive to whites.
What do you have against Dave Matthews? Poor Korean guy didn’t haave the forsight. Now his whole family and colleagues will know that he went to hooters.
Hey Hace, I think your series is bull.
1, 3, 8, 18 huh????
And don’t tell me it’s 68, that’s lame lol
Yeah Hace, how do you get the 1 . My IQ is 128 and I couldn’t do it.
Are you sure it is not 3, 8, 18, 38?
UM,
Not a mathematical series. But 68 is a fine answer if someone points a gun at your head. Good work!
3, 8, 18, 38?
That works.
In my world 2 x 1 = 1.
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3, 8, 18, 38, 78, 158, 318
That’s fine but why put the “1″ other than to utterly distort the puzzle? A numerical problem like this can only be addressed on its face. If the 1 serves no purpose, why involve it. Tulio restated your series and was thus able to continue. Mathematical or not, the series must not contain superfluous, “junk” elements.
“In my world 2 x 1 = 1.”
Is that your point of diminishing returns???
The joke is that its not a series, so the great white men couldn’t figure out that it could have been just 1.
One can make a series out of anything. That’s the sign of madness
An Unmarried Man,
I’ve realized over time, much time, that Whites are generally not nearly as intelligent as I’d always been culturally indoctrinated to believe.
I’m of the same sentiment. I’ve come to the realization that whites are overrated, though they do have their strengths.
White people thrive on speaking and expressing themselves in an elusively competent manner, but a lot of it is just smoke and mirrors.
Indians, especially those fresh of the boat, make such whites look like Chomsky.
“Growing up as I did in a primarily Hispanic community, I was not exposed to many White people until I was in college.”
IS THAT A JOKE? YOU DO KNOW THAT THE AVERAGE MEXICAN-AMERICAN IS 55-70% “WHITE” RIGHT?
WHITES ARE JUST HUMANS. THE SOONER THE REST OF WORLD GETS THAT THE BETTER.
David is a white hispanic by my standards (I know only Mulatto Caribbeans and triracial Brazilians.) He has some marrano ancestors apparently.
Most Mexicans don’t memorialize extensive historic familial histories. We’re not that kind of culture
I thought that by capitalizing “White,” I was making myself understandable and clear. The delineation works both ways. I highly doubt I could walk into a typical White Supremacist meeting and be greeted with open arms and as an equal.
White Nationalists don’t set the standards.
Could you dress up nicely and walk into an antique shop without receiving the evil eye?
I receive the evil eye regardless of how I dress or my posture. SWPL’s are the worst sort of racists but we call it “something else.”
Sorry that sounded really really stupid. But are you confident that to attribute it all to your ethnicity?
I can take care to evade the evil eye. But it takes a concious effort and usually prevents you from focusing too deeply on anything else. Adults aren’t rude to your face but there are some things. I try not to assume everything is about me. It’s an odd form of narcissism.
Dota is naive when he claims that whites will drop everything to help a person in need. Until now I was passing him off as knowledgeable to be knowledgeable but his need to insert Hinduism and the conditions of India into every conversation reeks of desperation.
I know too well about SWPLs.
That’s not what I said you miserable idiot. Obviously I didn’t mean that every white person was purely altruistic but on a collective level (atleast in North America) Whites do display a greater degree of empathy than do most other people I’ve known. Atheist Indian was right about you, you can’t see beyond your straw mans. If there was an award on this blog for least likely to contribute anything of substance, it would go to you hands down. The only times I respond to your garbage posts is when you grossly misrepresent my views.
You hijack every thread and try to make it about India.
“Whites do display a greater degree of empathy than do most other people I’ve known.”
Again you’re speaking from personal experience. I don’t whether it’s real or imagined but true altruistic humanism is beyond our capabilities as humans. We’re hard wired against it. Maybe I shouldn’t try to wake you up from your fantasy. Cold hard reality is a tough pill to swallow.
“If there was an award on this blog for least likely to contribute anything of substance, it would go to you hands down.”
Soo…what else is new?
“The only times I respond to your garbage posts is when you grossly misrepresent my views.”
Not true. You have a career to die for, a beautiful girlfriend, and a vibrant social life yet you graciously several hours/week to respond to my posts, you usually greet me not once but several times a day. I feel so flattered.
Not true. You have a career to die for, a beautiful girlfriend, and a vibrant social life
One of the above is true and I’m a very lucky man.
“One of the above is true and I’m a very lucky man.”
That’s true, but you forgot to list the one thing going for you.
For one thing, you get to be Bob Lindsay’s golden boy.
You connect Detroit, Zimbabwe, Haiti and Liberia based on the skin colour of the population?
Do you consider skin colour to be the primary causative factor in their situation in 2012?
Have you studied the recent and ancient histories of each population? Do you have the facts and the details?
Have you found evidence of genetic change during the past 500 years within these populations?
How were they doing before that?
Your analysis indicates a very low level of intellectual curiosity.
Correlation does not equate to causation – you need to ask why and how…try to find the right answer – not just one that you like.
“Do you consider skin colour to be the primary causative factor in their situation in 2012?”
Any person who is dumb enough not to understand that skin color is NOT the only genetic difference between a white and a black person is not worth any serious consideration.
Tell me one thing. If you take all the melanin away from a black person is he instantly going to turn into a White Caucasian? Wow liberals continue to prove how pathetic they are.
lol Richard. I think you must be the pinnacle of human evolution.
How does it feel – 4million years all culminating in you.
As for your comment about the Viets – I dont believe any VC could possibly be smarter than even the most stupid white man. It’s just not possible way ah sees it.
Richard? Viets?
Robert! You said the viets are catching up – I say no way not possible.
A VC could never be as smart as a white. Whites are just way smarter. It’s really obvious.
They are.
Viet IQ: 102.5
Thai IQ: 102
US White 103
i) the term “stupid white man” is purely theoretical.
I am proof that a “stupid white man” is not theoretical, but literal. I am flesh and bones with rocks for brains.
lol
Once again, people give too much credit to absolute IQ figures. There are simply too many variables at play.
Robert, even if it were true that the Vietnamese have the same IQ as, say, White Brits, I still can’t see them contributing even half as much as the Brits have to this world. Put the Brits on one planet and the Viets on another equal planet without any intermingling and I imagine the Brits coming out on top scientifically, technologically and economically. Though equal, their mental processes are oriented differently in many ways.
As Tulio has hinted many times on here, an IQ of, say, 70, for a white, black and Asian may actually mean different things. The black would generally seem “normal”, whereas there is probably a higher chance that the white would be labeled as clinically retarded.
One interpretation of IQ that I think is the same across all groups deals with implementation. Using nation building as an example, populations with higher IQs are more capable of building modern societies because of their capacity to implement and incorporate structural elements sourced externally or internally. Yes, that implies the capacity to copy. Aside from this capacity to implement, the other facets of IQ, or intelligence for that matter, could very well be interpreted differently across groups.
Taking that into consideration, with so much to learn from, the Vietnamese could very well build a first-world country — I think that would be fairly easy for them, given time. But I honestly can’t see the country becoming a beacon for scientific and/or technological innovation.
The idea that whites (and Caucasians to a lesser extent) are more innovative than East Asians is so cliche, but the more I think about it, the more it seems true. IQ just doesn’t tell the full story.
In terms of economic potential, I would put Vietnam in the same group as Italy or Spain. In terms of scientific or technological potential, I would probably put it in the same class as Iran or India.
The dirty little secret is that a disproportionate amount of innovation and discoveries in the West has come from Jews. That’s something WNs would rather keep quiet about.
“disproportionate amount of innovation and discoveries in the West has come from Jews.”
Before the Jews, there was Greece and Rome, Stone Henge, Cave art.
After the Jews there was Newton, Da Vinci, Beethoven, Martin Luther etc.
Jews are vastly overrated on the creativity scale. But then creativity is vastly overrated by Europeans.
You are forgetting Egypt, and East Asians are vastly overrated in the wannabe white “whrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrirtrtrtrtrtrteeeee wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrromrrrrrrrrrrreeeen” scale.
Dark fuck faces everywhere.
Sorry Tulio, but I find myself agreeing with Hacienda here.
Jews have played a disproportionate role in the creativity and innovation of the West, but they have not been the primary architects of Western civilization.
Well before Jewish emancipation, the West was already rising to the top.
If anything, it is Western countries with the largest number of Jews (like the U.S) that are experiencing the greatest decline, whereas countries with relatively smaller numbers of Jews (such as Germany and the Scandinavian countries) are much more stable and cohesive societies.
Obviously, correlation doesn’t equal causation. However, while I appreciate the creative contributions Jews have made, on balance, their presence in the West has not necessarily been positive.
Whether it’s their hijacking of Middle Eastern foreign policy, their hypocritical promotion of multiculturalism, their denigration of traditional Western culture, or other vices, there are many aspects of Jewry that I could do without.
To clarify I think what BAG is saying is that Jews have contributed to Western civilization without necessarily advancing it. By similar token, the Muslim sciences contributed to western civilization but it was white Europeans who advanced their own civilization by applying their own creative powers.
But pound for pound, Jews have definitely contributed the most to science. Just look at the list of nobel prize winners in science. It’s like half Jewish, and they are only like 1% of the global population. If Jews numbered in the hundreds of millions, they would rule the planet. Just saying.
They also seem to be incredibly good at organizing institutions and creating capital.
@ Dota
Exactly. There is a difference between the two.
@ Tulio
Well, if Jews numbered in the hundreds of millions, they wouldn’t be Jews. In fact, I would go so far as to say that much of what accounts for Jewish success is the fact that they are such a small and cohesive group, descended from a small population made up of merchants, moneylenders, and other people who had to use their brains to get by.
If Judaism were like Christianity or Islam, Jews would not be the same. Judaism is much more of an ethnic religion.
Gay Area Guy
I agree with you about jews and US foreign policy (though that’s also product of short sightedness on the part of Europeans.) But Northern European countries with few jews have created a culture in which political correctness is even more stifling than in English speaking countries, promiscuity and homosexuality are more acceptable and even fewer white fetuses run their full course.
GSG is right. Whites don’t need Jews to create a PC Hell. They do it just fine on their own. And Whites everywhere are doing a good job of tearing down tradition White Christian morality, thank God for that. I don’t know about homosexuality, but promiscuity and abortion are A-ok by me.
I was referring to overt homosexuality.
The fact that Jews are such a force to be reckoned with in science and technology has as much to do with their European genes as it does with their Jewish genes.
@ Car Guy
Exactly. Ashkenazi Jews aren’t exactly descendants of the original Jews of antiquity.
If they indeed are, it didn’t take them long to lose their Middle Eastern brownness.
It probably has more to do with their European genes than it does with their Semitic genes, though their abilities in commerce has more to do with those Semitic genes shared with groups like the Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
But I speculate that heterosis has something to do with their overall intelligence.
I guess that instead of saying “genes”, it would be more appropriate to say “portion”, as in European portion or Semitic portion.
Genes are possibly not the only factors at play here.
I heard a someone speculate that that ashkenazim are more intelligent than whites because they possess more mongoloid genes due to being (supposedly) descended from the Khazars, and later accumulating genes from the Ghengis Khan and his army, though inland Central Asian populations have significantly lower IQs than Coastal East Asians (source Huax.)
The IQ structure of Jews is probably furthest from that of Mongoloids: More verbal, way less G. It’s more in line with whites’, which isn’t surprising — Jews are essentially white people, thanks to centuries of mixing.
That can’t be possible, Jews were pulling strings in the Middle East before they even reached Northern Europe or anywhere else for that matter. Add to the fact that the Levant was untouched by any Mongoloid influence since the beginning of time and they were essentially doing the same thing well, that puts the theory down.
Exactly. Ashkenazi Jews aren’t exactly descendants of the original Jews of antiquity.
If they indeed are, it didn’t take them long to lose their Middle Eastern brownness.
THEY NEVER HAD MIDDLE EASTERN “BROWNESS”. THE ORIGINAL JEWS WEREN’T BEDOUINS OR HAMITES, THEY WERE PRE-ARAB INVASIAN LEVANTINES LIKE MODERN DAY ASSYRIANS, DRUZE OR SAMARITANS – ALL RELATIVELY LIGHT SKINNED GROUPS (SAMARITANS ARE ACTUALLY VERY LIGHT AND SOMEWHAT RESEMBLE ASHKENAZIC PEOPLE IMO)..
OMG you’re right about the Samaritans and whiter non jewish populations in the Northern Levant.
I don’t believe todays jews all have connection to the land they currently inhabit. It’s clear that Judaism spread throughout the middle east and Southern Europe.
“You are forgetting Egypt,”
Egypt is not part of Europe. For the 100th time, Egypt is sand nigger country, NOT part of Europe. Why can’t you understand that? Dumbfuck, 80 IQ sand nigger, Euro wannabe.
Egypt played a huge role in the formation of Europe and Western civilization so they are claimed to be part of them historically. This is unlike chingook society or civilization that hasn’t played any role except exporting chinpricks in massive numbers who try to trick themselves into thinking they can be accepted as White & Christian, and use political correctness to get those “whrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiittttttte wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooomen”.
“Egypt played a huge role in the formation of Europe…”
Why are all MEs so afraid of Europeans that they have to continually make this huge statements of their contribution to Europe?
“Fear is the mind destroyer.”
– Dune, Frank Herbert
Admit Euros (and E. Asians) frighten the fuck out you, Egyptian. Begin to find your freedom.
Euro’s would but East Asians? Naaaah they can’t even get any white girls attention here.
You’re in deNile.
Yeah!!! I am in the deNILE!!! Da Best river in the world!! The origins of da white man’s civilizations and John wayne’s cousins 40′s movies on teh white man’s fantasies of Cleopatra and the da Mediterranean!!! Yeaaaaaaah!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!!! EGYPT #1!!!!!
You see anything like that in Chinkaanaaa laaaaan???? More like Asia number zero!!!!
“Yeah!!! I am in the deNILE!!!”
It’s okay. I’d be scared too if I were a sand nigger. Whitey keeps stealth bombing and smart missiling my sandy ass. And he don’t who is who, where is where , Libya, Egypt, Iran, Yemen. All the same to whitey, And he no respecter of ballpark relatedness. You think the crackers gives a shit? They’re just looking for excuses.
Crackers are like Ted Bundy. Pleasant demeanor, polite, well groomed, well spoken, with a Geometry 101 exterior, but you know he’s got 60 skulls in his bedroom, the brains of which he’s eaten for dessert. And he’s in the process of cannabilizing the ME today.
I completely understand your fear of Euros. It’s terrifying reality. I’d be in “deNile” too.
E.Asians are more like Charlie Chan. Annoying, marginal, fastidious, but you don’t want to fuck with him, either. He’s scary in his own way. Subtle, indirect, quiet, with a surface sympathy.
But that’s the question, who do you fuck with? Charlie Chan or Ted Bundy? Bundy might rip you apart, but you know you might lucky, or you
can sneak up on him. But Charlie Chan will fuck you up inevitably, indirectly, and he always knows where you are, you can’t sneak up on him.
Al bundy is fucking with Charlie Chan cuz they be in the same territory, we are fucking Al bundy and his wife first however.
“Al bundy”
Ted Bundy.
While both are superfluous, non-functioning anomie driven crackers, products of the West’s modern, nihilistic culture- one is fictional, the other is real. One is pathetic, the other is murderous. Note the difference idiot.
Who cares? All Asians look and act the same, the fictionalized or real one wouldn’t be able to tell and they are all going after Charlie Chan because they reside within the same country. Also Charlie Chan is a fictionalized account of a wannabe white chingook, so STFU IDIOT!!!
“we are fucking Al bundy and his wife first however”
Ted and Al Bundy fucking over the sand niggers video.
Man, how times have changed.
You forgetting Hiroshima and all those faggot wars in Asia hunny boy?
“You forgetting Hiroshima and all those faggot wars in Asia hunny boy?”
Hell no dipshit. But we’ve had our Korea and Vietnam. We win these wars. Sand niggers??? Where’s YOUR Vietnam?
“Where’s YOUR Vietnam?”
Gulf II. A different path, but the same outcome.
Can’t you guys berry the hatchet. hahahha okay, can’t you guys ignore each other? You are just endlessly arguing and trolling each other. Its totally unconstructive.
especially Xera. At least there are two of them.
You didn’t win “Korea” and certainly not “Vietnam”, plus all those other wars you guys lost added to the list. Sand nigger have been ruining whitey since the days of the Barbary pirates. Ever heard of Corsairs forcing American sailors to pay them tribute? Were Chingooks ever cool enough to pull THAT OFF? I don’t think so chinkozoid
“Gulf II. A different path, but the same outcome.”
Very different. The Vietnam War was a actual war with heavy casualties on both sides. Ultimately lost in an involuntary US withdrawal and lost US objectives- racist and colonial. (I know that’s oversimplifying).
Gulf II was not a war, there were hardly any US casualties. And the US achieved it’s objective- overthrowing Hussein.
Night and day. Inarguably the US lost Vietnam. Inarguably the US won in Iraq and just stuck around for no good reason.
“Ever heard of Corsairs forcing American sailors to pay them tribute? ”
God you’re a dumbass. I done with you. Apologies for wasting everyone’s time.
Hacienda dear
You didn’t win Vietname, the Casualties for the North were way worse and the U.S withdrew because of the atmosphere in the country and too many casualties. BTW the Pirates carried out a slave trade and tribute paying for more then a hundred years, can you say the same for North East Asians? HELL NO!!! No need to resort to name calling.
Lindsay
Do you know if jewish geneticists have done enough comparison with European populations? It seems that all the studies were used middle eastern or Indo Iranian populations.
I do not understand your question.
It’s the general consesus among geneticists, that matrilineal DNA is Northern European, because jewish women did not accompany their male counterparts to Europe, so jewish males took Nordic or Slavic wives that consented to live as jews, but were not properly converted. But the European element has been accepted (so we are not halachically jewish, even if the Khazars are not the primary ancestors of Ashkenazim) but not studied in depth.
Many of the commenters here are ignorant of Cochran’s work.
Ashkenazi jews, which means German Jews, first settled on and around the Rhine over 1200 years ago.
For whatever cultural and religious reasons, Christians shunned the ‘wealth management’ professions like banking, usury, money changing, tax collection, Etc.
Thus Jews were relegated to these professions and so began their empire…
Since high IQ is essential for success in these professions, Jews with a high IQ had a higher fitness than Jews with a lower IQ, thus the mean Ashkenazi IQ increased over the centuries.
Kevin MacDonald also suggested that less successful jews were less accepted in the jewish community so they were more likely to convert to Christianity.
“Thus Jews were relegated to these professions and so began their empire…”
I have a difficult time believing they were coerced into such professions.
They weren’t. They chose to pursue usury. Just as nobody forced the Jews into Porn, they chose to pursue it. Only the Jew can exploit an opportunity and yet keep his victim-hood intact.
Sigh. You’re missing my point. I was talking to Mindy. I initially drifted away from the cult of the holocaust, because it is disheartening and demoralizing. But there’s nothing wrong with seizing opportunities.
The entertainment industry was heavily jewish decades before porn became widespread.
I disagree that black are evolved to rule the boxing ring. Here are the top ten best boxers in the world, according to ring magazine (which is considered *the* definitive source of P$P rankings). What do you notice about the racial makeup?
Well, there are two black guys, in joint 2nd (imo 1st) and 8th, and a part black guy in 3rd. There are 3 Latinos, 2 white guys (3 if you count Latino Martinez as white, which I do), and 2 SE Asians. I don’t think you could get a more mixed and representative top ten list!
If you look through all the weight categories, they are not dominated by blacks either. The lower divisions have a lot of Mexicans and some Asians. The heavyweight division is now dominated by white guys (9 out of 10 are white and the other is mixed I think), largely because of eastern Europeans. There are a lot of blacks in the rankings, yes, but there are a significant amount of whites and a lot of Latinos and some Asians.
As far as athletics goes, my theory is that because blacks are faster sprinters, they have an advantage in sports that involve running and quick bursts of acceleration and speed, like (US) football. But they are more evenly matched in sports that involve upper body strength, like weightlifting and boxing.
Although, I do wonder if there is a division between western and eastern European whites in boxing and weightlifting because it seems to be the eastern Europeans who are doing best. And I’ve noticed Polish men in England often look tough.
p4p* (pound for pound)
“It was after years of teaching and in addition working my way through several Black women, including a long term relationship with one. She was a university grad, but she wasn’t all that smart. She was having me write her university English papers for her because basically she wasn’t smart enough to write them. And she was one of the smart ones.”
Anecdote: one of the smartest people in my year group at university was a black girl. She was consistently getting very high marks. She probably did the best of everyone.
“My conclusion is that the ~1 standard deviation difference on IQ tests between Blacks and Whites is not just an artifact produced by biased testing, but is a real intelligence difference between the races. The reality of these test scores’ conclusion has been born out by my casual investigations in over fifty years of life, in which I concluded that Blacks are simply not as intelligent as Whites.”
In the UK, there is no achievement gap between black Africans and White British at GCSE (exams taken at age15/16) and the achievement gap between black Carribeans and whites is small. At A level (more intellectually demanding exams taken at age 17/18) in 2010 there was a gap of approx. 0.4 SD between black and whites. It narrowed from 0.55 in 2006. If you also consider intelligence tests used for entry to law and medical schools, there is a probably a 0.5 SD difference between blacks and whites in the UK. That is Occidentalist Chuck’s conclusion and it sounds about right to me. In fact, I think it might be a little smaller but that depends how big the samples are as a % of the population and I don’t have that info. 0.5 sounds reasonable enough.
Of course, no one knows whether and how much African immigrants to the UK are selected.
You might consider, Robert, that you can not necessarily draw conclusions about all blacks from the African American sub-group. Even if there is a robust 1SD gap that is genetic, that may not be the case for Africans. American blacks might have been negatively selected through slavery or degenerated through disproportionately high breeding of lower IQ people (dysgenics).
“(Egypt doesn’t count).”
Ancient Egypt is most certainly relevant.
Egyptians share recent ancestry with West Africans via Haplogroups E1b1b and E1b1a. A common male ancestor who lived in Central or East Africa 25,000 years ago (Haplogroup E1b) gave rise to populations in both North Africa (E1b1B) and West Africa (E1b1A).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1_(Y-DNA)
E1b1B arose 20,000 years ago in East Africa and spread north into Egypt, North Africa, Greece and South Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)
The main Y chromosome in Egypt today is E1b1B, of African origin. The current Egyptian population is representative of Ancient Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
The “expansion” of E1b1B North through Egypt reached Southern Europe and Greece.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml
Albert Einstein is from this recent Haplogroup – E1b1B. See genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jews : 10-20% of E1b1B – of recent African ancestry. hmmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
http://www.e1b1b1-m35.info/2011_02_01_archive.html
E1b expanded into West African 20,000 years ago via a different descendant “E1b1A”. This haplogroup E1b1A is seen only in West and South African Many Afro Americans have this haplogroup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1a_(Y-DNA)
The Nilotics of Sudan such as the Dinka and the Masai are in the East African subclade (E1b1B) rather than the West African (E1b1A).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic
These population splits, between West and East Africans, happened 20,000 years ago. This was therefore 30,000 years after the original “Out of Africa” expansion – that produced 90% of non Africans some 50,000 years ago. Appears some people stayed behind in Africa…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1a_(Y-DNA)
http://www.e1b1b1-m35.info/2011/02/e1b1b1-jewish-haplogroup.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
http://imareid.wordpress.com/dna-test-results/
The Egyptians were indigenous to the Nile Valley for at least 13,000 before present. There is no evidence of an invasion. The most common Egyptian y-chromosome is E1b1b. It has a recent African origin of 20-30,000 years. It is prevalent in the “negroid” populations south of Egypt such as the Dinka and the Nuba.
http://www.imagineafrica.co.uk/Sudan/Sudan_in_Pictures
Haplogroup E1b1A is common among West Africans. It split from E1b1b only 20,000 years ago.
Haplogroups E1b1. E1b1b and E1b1a FTW !!!
Conversely, mortality rates in slavery (over 50%) could increase IQ, psychological and physical robustness.
Those who learned slowly would die for it. The smartest would learn the ropes, the language, how to stay alive, and how to successfully resist using guerilla tactics – see for example the Jamaican Maroons.
Genetically inferior? I doubt it – the weak would not have survived the march to the coast. The less intelligent may have struggled to adjust to an alien environment and culture. In physical terms the survivors would be tough, resilient,and generally difficult to kill – genetically robust and resistant to bugs, disease and physical damage.
Athletism and quick reflexes would probably be an advantage to a “captive” or slave, Being stupid and slow to “get it” would almost certainly not.
Mike,
I’ve got no idea whether slavery exerted selective pressure at all, and if so, which way it exerted it. If it selected for greater intelligence, as you theorize, then African Americans would be genetically superior in intelligence to Africans. I doubt that is the case but I guess it is possible.
I would like Africans (and blacks generally) to be genetically equal to Europeans in regards to IQ, but the preponderance of evidence suggests to me that African Americans quite possibly are not, so I was raising the possibility that this may only apply to that sub-group of blacks. That wouldn’t then be an issue on a global scale.
If you really want to engage with the issue of the American racial IQ gap, read ‘the facts that need to be explained’ by Occidentalist. If you contend that the racial IQ gap is not genetic, I would love you to be right.
Steve
I read that some time ago (among other sources) and was not convinced by the writer’s reasoning that the difference is genetic.
There are too many anomalies to a theory that would suggest people defined as “black” – a social rather than a genetic group – are genetically predisposed to have lower intelligence.
Given the events of the 18th to 20th century such a view must be withstand rigorous critical examination. Currently it is based largely on argument from ignorance. Given that
1) there’s no evidence of a genetic basis for the difference in the average group score between certain social groups in America.
2) There are numerous uncontrolled variables.
3) The term “black” is primarily a social construct
4) The data is not consistent (see my previous comments on this above)
btw Mike, lower IQ people have more kids on average than higher IQ people. There is a negative correlation between IQ and fertility. Not just for blacks, but whites too. Logically, this leads to a decline in genotypic intelligence.
If this is any kind of explanation for the American racial IQ gap, the negative correlation would have to have been bigger among blacks than whites, for quite some time. I have no data on this and it does not seem particularly intuitively likely to me. It was just a suggestion.
peace
Just to play devil’s advocate, the other side would argue that the African immigrants aren’t drawn from a random pool but are highly selected and those most likely to be granted residence are the financially better off and already more educated of their population.
Hi Tulio,
yes, I think one could reasonably expect some degree of selection. But they are not necessarily highly selected. Most African immigrants to the UK over the past 40 or 50 years have been asylum seekers. Are asylum seekers all well educated or wealthy? I don’t know about AS to the UK, but a lot of African immigrants in Spain are poor and arrived by night on crowded boats which took treacherous journeys from places like Senegal. How selected are they? It takes fairly desperate or poor people to do that. One Senegalese youth reported that emigrating is a dream that is held by all the Senegalese youth.
Also consider that the correlation between IQ and educational attainment is less than 1, maybe as low as 0.5, so if they are selected for education, they are less selected for IQ. The correlation between IQ and financial success is even lower than for education.
Also bear in mind that even if the first generation are selected by, say, 0.7 SD, their children regress towards the mean and cut some off that 0.7.
Its difficult to determine how selected African immigrants to the UK are, largely due to lack of good data, but Occidentalist Chuck is attempting to do this.
the other side would argue that the African immigrants aren’t drawn from a random pool but are highly selected and those most likely to be granted residence are the financially better off and already more educated of their population.
Well, they would probably be correct. And it’s not just African immigrants, but various other legal immigrants from 3rd world countries.
Indian immigrants also tend to be highly selected, and are not a random sampling of India’s population.
The U.S’s selective immigration policy is also the reason why Muslim Americans tend to be well behaved, whereas Muslims in Europe are much more backward.
Same goes with Hispanics in Europe.
Sorry that should be Latin Americans in Europe until recently.
Robert, can you delete comments? Delete this one, it is a duplicate and its making the thread messy.
This immediately raised the question for me as to the average IQs of mulatto and other mixed-race children resulting from parents that fall well within what is considered a genetic baseline IQ for a defined “race”. Which genes contributing to IQ are dominant? Do mulatto children clearly display a tendency to have the baseline average IQ of White or Black, or do they wind up landing in the middle? Or is it random, with some children’s IQs being more White and others more Black?
I once read a study showing that mulatto children by German mothers and WWII black American soldiers had IQs close to the German mean.
I’ve also read that mulatto children with a white mother have higher IQ than mulatto children with a black mother. That’s pretty interesting. I don’t have a source for that at the moment so take it as you will.
I read that in a book and I still have the book. In fact, I have it on google documents. I got it off a lecturer. I could probably dig out the chapter which talks about both of those studies and get you a reference or send you the whole book.
Thanks, man. What I hope for is that there is scientific evidence to support the notion that a truly racially-blended species would wind up displaying a mean IQ that is at the high, rather than the low, end of the spectrum. I want to believe that becoming one race would improve and strengthen mankind genetically, not just in an ideological sense. Because of that, I try to be as cautious and objective as I can when considering certain claims or drawing conslusions.
Interesting that it might be the mtDNA that contributes to IQ. I believe further study is warranted. We might have a way of intentionally increasing our species’ average intelligence, how could that possibly be a bad thing? Not forced, of course, but hey, how many people, if it were a known fact, would choose mates accordingly?
Richard,
I think the mother thing is more likely to be environmental- the mother tends to be the primary carer. I doubt that all of the allelles related directly and indirectly to IQ are only inherited from mother, who provides 50% of genes. But what do I know, right?
I’ll look the references up some time soon but not right now.
I think the two best reasons to want Africans to be genetically equal to Europeans in IQ is 1) it gives them greater potential to develop and ameliorate the suffering in Africa. And 2) so that we can mix (which is happening anyway) and mixing doesn’t lower IQ.
…mix and live in harmony.
…hopefully we can live in harmony anyway.
In the long run, when genetics advances and we discover the specific genes related to intelligence etc, our ability to genetically alter babies will probably involve the ability to improve their intelligence. Maybe we will just utilize that to make everyone smarter.
Not sure if that sort of thing would be a good idea though.
mulatto children,god help us,you mean niggrs.
I believe and everyone deep down without having to worry about political correctness believes it!
Lets wait a couple of years until the elusive IQ gene(s) is identified.
The Jews are “mixed” similar to the Egyptians with substantial contributions from recent South East African Y-Chromosome DNA. Albert Einstein is from this recent Haplogroup, E1b1B. Ashkenazi Jews take 10-20% of recent African ancestry of E1b1B.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
http://www.e1b1b1-m35.info/2011_02_01_archive.html
E1b1B expanded north 20,000 years ago from East Africa through Egypt. It reached Southern Europe and Greece. 36% of Egyptians have this sub Saharan African Y-Chromosome.
E1b also expanded into West African 20,000 years ago via a different descendant “E1b1A”. This haplogroup E1b1A is seen only in West and South African Many Afro Americans have this haplogroup.
The Nilotics of Sudan such as the Dinka and the Masai are in the East African subclade (E1b1B) (with jews and Egyptians) rather than the West African (E1b1A) – however they are clearly African in phenotype.
Interestingly although Europeans are descendants of Asians (Haplogroup N) they are genetically closer to Africans than Asians possibly due to these secondary African gene flows up through the Med in the period from 20-10,000 years ago..
If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe you will see the further you go from Africa the greater the genetic difference, So
Europeans to Africans = difference of 16.6
Europeans to E.Asians = difference of 9.5
Europeans to Oceania = difference of 13.5
Africans to E.Asians = difference of 20.6
Africans to Oceania = difference of 24.7
Maybe the diversity of Africans and lower genetic distance between Europeans and Africans is why Africans were not decimated by European diseases on first contact in the 1500s.
Distribution of Haplogroup E (Y-DNA) – Second Expansion from Africa 20,000 years ago.
“One proposed example of Holocene gene flow from Africa to Europe, via the Middle East, is thought to be E1b1b1, which is thought to have emerged about 22,000 years ago in East Africa and branches of it are thought to have migrated to the Middle East by 11,000 years ago during the late Pleistocene or early Neolithic periods.[8]
Entering the late mesolithic Natufian culture, the E1b1b1a2 (E-V13) sub-clade has been associated with the spread of farming from the Middle East into Europe either during or just before the Neolithic transition.
E1b1b1 lineages are found throughout Europe but are distributed along a South-to-North cline, with a E1b1b1a mode in the Balkans.[1][17][18][note 1][note 2]
In separate migrations, E lineages in the form of the E1b1b1b subclade appear to have entered Europe from Northwest Africa into Iberia. In a sample of European males, Cruciani et al. observed Haplogroup E at a frequencies of 7.2%. The timing of this movement has been given widely variant estimates.[19]
A big expansion of peoples throughout Sub-Saharan Africa occurred after the introduction of agriculture 5,000 years ago. During the Bantu expansion people carrying Haplogroup E(not including E1b1b) lineages dispersed across much of Sub-Saharan Africa from their homeland near the border between Nigeria and Cameroon. The haplogroup most often associated with this expansion is E1b1a, which constitutes up to 48% of the African male gene pool. The presence of E1b1a lineages outside Africa can typically be associated with events that occurred after the Bantu Expansion, such as the trade in African slaves or the Moorish occupation of Iberia. In much of Europe frequencies of E lineages which are not E1b1b are very low, usually less than 1%. For example Cruciani et al. 2004, report such lineages at 2% in Southern Portugal, 4% in Northern Portugal, 2.9% in Istanbul and 4.3% among Turkish Cypriots. E1b1a is closely related to E1b1b, the most frequent clade in Europe. E lineages that are not E1b1a or E1b1b could therefore reflect either a recent expansion associated with E1b1a or ancient population movements associated with E1b1b. For example haplogroup E1a lineages have been detected in Portugal (5/553 = 1%),[20] among Italians in Calabria (1/80=1.3%) and among Albanians in Calabria (2/68=2.9%).[17] According to a study by Goncalves et al. (2005), The distribution of Haplogroup E1a lineages in Portugal was independent of the distribution of the younger and more ubiquitous E1b1a.
The authors suggest that this distribution is consistent with a prehistoric migration from Africa to Iberia, possibly alongside mtDNA haplogroup U6.
Haplogroups A and B are thought to have been the predominant haplogroups in Central and Southern Africa prior to the Bantu Expansion. Currently these haplogroups are less common than E lineages. In a sample of 5,000 African men, haplogroup A had a frequency of 5%. Haplogroup A has rare occurrences in Europe but recently the haplogroup was detected in seven males with the same surname who were in Britain.[21]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe
Could this explain Kerma, Nubia, Egypt, Greece and Rome – as compared to Stonehenge?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
“ “There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sub Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas.”
“, the physical anthropological evidence indicates that early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation. This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection, influenced by culture and geography.”[57]
Hacienda: “E.Asians are more like Charlie Chan. Annoying, marginal, fastidious, but you don’t want to fuck with him, either. He’s scary in his own way. Subtle, indirect, quiet, with a surface sympathy.”
KIM JONG-IL IS A BETTER EXAMPLE OF A TYPICAL EAST ASIAN-SOMEWHAT DANGEROUS BUT ULTIMATELY JUST PATHETIC AND WEAK.
“KIM JONG-IL IS A BETTER EXAMPLE OF A TYPICAL EAST ASIAN-SOMEWHAT DANGEROUS BUT ULTIMATELY JUST PATHETIC AND WEAK.”
Okay, but at least we’re not disappearing and hated by all the rest of the planet, you 12% percenter cracker. 100 IQ! LOL. Read that again and weep. 100 IQ. You DUMBFUCK.
we aint disappearing asshole,we aint going anywhere and when you are lying on your death bed whites will still be in charge you yellow monkey.
How does your co-owner feel about your opinions and beliefs about black intelligence, or does he/she think on similar lines same as yourself.
She concurs that the tests do show that there are intelligence differences between Whites and Blacks at this time, and that the tests are accurate. However, it is not a subject that she has much interest in as a very intelligent Black woman. She’s just not interested in race and IQ and all that – not important, not interesting, boring, etc.
This site has a lot of interesting content but there’s only a few posts here about mixed race people. Being mixed race myself it would be interesting to see how others view people like me (although i’ve already gathered throughout my lifetime that many people see us as filthy halfbreeds)
Just to clarify, when you say, “blacks are not as intelligent as whites”, are you trying to say more specifically that blacks have less ability for abstract reasoning than whites? If that’s the case, then you should state it that way. Intelligence isn’t just some singular continuum, it’s multifaceted. Social intelligence amongst blacks may not differ from whites, for example. To elaborate, I notice no general difference between blacks and whites in the ability to be witty and humorous in conversation. Humor is one of the highest levels of communication. People who are mentally retarded have no ability to be intentionally humorous. I grant that blacks are not as good with abstract reasoning and math, but why is abstract reasoning amongst HBDers treated as if it’s the only type of intelligence that people can be judged upon? I’m convinced that blacks are more socially savvy than E. Asians, that’s just my subjective opinion from my life experience, I could be wrong of course. So why not make social intelligence the be all and end all and conclude that Asians are less intelligent than blacks?
As a white, I don’t think you can really comprehend how demeaning the original phrasing comes across. I know you may think it’s just semantics or pandering to political correctness to say otherwise, but things like this do matter. As Isaac Newton said, “tact is the ability to make a point without making an enemy.”
Not really, being humorous is just the result of putting something you thought funny in your mind or around you into a conversation. Blacks can be quicker in wit but it’s less intelligent.
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By IQ, school test scores, etc. On jobs that require the same sort of intelligence, Blacks will not do as well. Blacks may indeed have higher social IQ than other races. Too bad if it comes across demeaning, oh well. That’s the way the cookie crumbles. The truth can be harsh.
Are you sure you are a liberal? Because Jesse Jackson called and wants your liberal license revoked.
Yes I am a liberal. I always vote Democrat or Left 3rd party and I never vote Republican. I even work for Democrats. I also participate in a lot of liberal political campaigns. I’m actually more than a liberal; I am a socialist.
Eww.
Banned. Hostile tone. Comments rules violation.
[I ask these high IQ Asians, ‘So I guess you studied real hard in school, right? And they laugh and say, ‘Are you kidding? Why study? School was easy. We mostly screwed around, maybe study a little the night before a test.’ Then a lot of your 100 IQ types said they studied all the time, but still got relatively poor grades. I started to question the idea that people were smart because they studied all the time.”]
This is interesting. I’ve also wondered if most people who get good grades are, in general, more hard-working than average. I think it’s probably a mix. But I agree that some people are just more innately intelligent than others, even if they don’t study as much. I’m just not sure that those who are more innately intelligent are that way because of race.
I mainly say that because of myself. I’ve always been very lazy, probably one of the laziest people around LOL. I would still get grades upwards of 90 (usually upwards of 95) just by going over material the day of a test. So I know that in my case it’s more genetics than hard work. But that would go against the data that Amerinds are stupid. Then again, I’m probably only 25-30% Amerind so maybe that means the Caucasian genes won? I don’t know what to think. My mom (Caucasian) does seem smarter than my dad (mestizo) but strangely, I’m better at math and science than my mom. I did take an IQ test recently and my score was 129 (although I’m not sure how reliable it was.).
If I used myself as a representative of Amerind mongrels I would have to conclude that we are near the top of the I.Q. ladder, but apparently it’s not that way in general LOL. But if I exist I’m sure other Amerinds exist who are near the top, that’s why I dislike people using race as a clue for intelligence.
Most Asian folks I’ve met have not impressed me that much (their GPAs were mostly lower than mine) so I just think there is too much hype around them at the moment. But maybe if my I.Q. were closer to average I would feel differently about them, who knows.
You can’t say that because you are smart, it’s your Caucasian genes and could not possibly be your Amerind genes. There are Amerindians who are very smart too, just not as many of them.
I find it funny that you can say a Mongoloid is smarter than a Caucasian, and you can say a Negroid is stronger than a Caucasian, but you are labeled “raysis” if you say a Caucasian is smarter than a Negroid and stronger than a Mongoloid.
I’m east asian, how come my IQ is average? What happened. Maybe I have some black or white genes in me somewhere? :-/
Asians are smarter than whites,lol….Asians never invented flight ,Asians never been to the moon,asians have a bamboo version of what whites make out of steel,you Asians are getting arrogant yall haven’t invented squat you have to reverse engineer all whiteys inventions and then take the credit,you are a bunch of over confident memorizers with little vision or creativity.and the next huge breakthrough I guarantee will be invented by whites like the hadron collider while Asians steal the technology sneaky little bastards,what about nano technology,the hubble telescope,the car ,the computer,what have Asians done to make such claims that they are much smarter than whites,jack shite.so shut your little yellow gobs,we are smartest always will be ,.you need us to copy that’s the bottom line just like the rotary engine claimed to be invented by japan,but it was designed by a Dutchman.egg foo yung is the last thing you zipper heads have invented.