Gender Feminism Is About Female Rule Over Men

I am an equity feminist. I am not a gender feminist.

The problem with gender feminism is you end up with millions of psycho, ballbreaking bitches like the ones you see in my comments threads. You want that?

Also, feminism was a puritanical movement at its inception and it still is. It always will be. This is because the female view of sexuality is puritanical. Feminism is about empowering the female view of sexuality, supplanting it with the traditional male view of sexuality and imposing the female view of sexuality on the public space. The only way society can function is if you have the male view of sexuality holding sway over public space.

Also, feminism has been anti-men and pro-lesbian from the very start. It’s basically a hate movement against men and male sexuality. It’s not about equality, it’s about women lording it over men.

Anyway, in the realm of the sexes, equality doesn’t even work. Someone has to wear the pants. One has to dominate and the other has to be submissive. It’s nature. With feminism, you get masculinized women and feminized men. You also get insane sexual harassment epidemics (mostly crap and lies), the worst rape laws on the planet (look at Sweden for an example of the madness that ensues when you let women write rape law) Slut Walks, Women Hall Back movements, and other lunacy.

It’s shit.

In areas where the radical Left holds sway such as revolutionary movements around the world, women are empowered over men. In these places, the first thing they do is outlaw booze, gambling and pornography, not to mention prostitution. The three things that keep most guys from shooting up theaters. In Peru, when the Shining Path took over, they outlawed adultery. They had public executions of adulterers. That’s what women want. That’s the Feminist Utopia.

Let me give you an example. Here in my town we have many Hispanics. It’s basically a patriarchal culture, but here in the US, things have loosened up, and now the women have a lot of freedom, which they relish and love. Now down in Mexico, it’s way too patriarchal, and it’s oppressive. But here, it’s the right balance.

The men are masculine and dominant and the women are feminine and submissive. The male view of sexuality dominates the public sphere, and the female view of sexuality is sidelined. Women view men as pigs and horndogs and they just ride with it. Men are openly sexual and aggressively pursue women. If women are not interested, they just ignore them.

Both sexes talk and flirt to various degrees constantly. Men and women are constantly and openly checking each other out. It’s a great, sexually open and free environment.

Women are allowed to work, and many of them do. They even have good jobs and wear nice clothes and drive good cars. They can walk the streets, even at night, with little fear. This is good.

There is also a lot of divorce, because women now have the freedom to do that, and they do take advantage of that. They can move in with a man they are not married to. They can have sex before or outside of marriage, though many don’t really want to. The women don’t sleep around that much because they think that’s slutty.

The women don’t try to be men. Instead they are very feminine. The men are extremely masculine, and there is little wimpiness or homosexuality. Traditional sex roles! The men are in charge, but the women like it that way. Both sexes are extremely happy. This society works because it’s not feminist-wrecked yet.

This is in stark contrast to White society which is more or less feminist ruined. In that society, people don’t seem to be very happy. That’s because in White society, you pretty much have female rule and matriarchy. Women have been given way too much power, and they’ve abused it.

Female hypergamy is normal, but not in my Mom’s day. That’s why everyone got married. Judging from the Game Sphere, it’s epidemic now. I hear that in China there is an epidemic of hypergamy too, along with tens of millions of Incels, many of whom are going postal on a regular basis.

Female rule is oppression and control of men. That’s the end result of feminism. Feminism is the desire for female rule over men. It’s not about equality. It’s about supplanting their view of sexuality with ours and imposing it on the public space.

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151 responses to “Gender Feminism Is About Female Rule Over Men

  1. Steve

    what is the female view of sexuality?

    I’ll be honest. I mostly don’t know what you are talking about in this post. Things seem all right here to me. There are plenty of masculine guys around. That’s what a lot of guys are like, naturally. And to be honest, most woman don’t really think much about feminism. Its mostly an intellectual thing.

    Its true that often one partner will be more dominant but it depends on personalities.

    I don’t get what the problem is for the mainstream and I don’t see female rule over men. Not whatsoever.

    • Gay State Girl

      That’s my main problem with critics of feminism. They are out of touch with the realities of modern women and children. They appear to be attacking a movement of yesteryear and assuming it’s tenets to be widespread today. Often times they are way off.

      • This woman is the product of gender feminism. It created her. The movement is not yesteryear, it’s mainstream. It’s been inculcated in women to where it’s part of their identities. Feminism created these Frankenwomen. They are its product.

        • Steve

          Okay I guess there are mainstream feminist ideas that everybody is aware of, even if they aren’t into feminism.

          can you elaborate on what gender feminism is? I can only find a couple of things about it. Its something to do with criticizing gender roles and trying to make men and woman exactly equal, despite biological differences?

          How does this affect family life?

        • Steve

          *how does this affect family life and how should it be?

        • Gay State Girl

          Steve
          The general consensus is that modern women neglect their children. But I find it is quite the opposite. Today women suffocate children, and children suffer for it. Most of the women I know are highly educated professionals, but have no social lives of their own, and live vicariously through their children and monitor every step of their development. At least among upper class women, where feminism saw most support.

        • Steve

          GSG,

          I suspect its better for a pre-school child to spend the majority of their time with their mother or father. Which one is best may depend on the child. Many girls are ‘dady’s girls’ who favour being with their father and they may prefer to be with dad.

          However, while there is no doubt that men love their children dearly and are concerned with their well being and daily needs, woman seem to be naturally very nurturing and it seems to be a more prominent female quality. So perhaps woman are, generally, more suited to the stay at home with pre-schoolers role.

          Now to the question of whether they neglect their children. What is important is being with your child every day, putting in the hours, not just obsessing about their progress. If a large percentage of pre-schoolers are spending most of their time at a cresh or with a nanny, parents are arguably neglecting their children.

          I would see it as more mothers than fathers responsibility though, since rearing small children seems to be the natural role of the female of the species. When do you see leopard cubs following their father everywhere? Its the mother they follow and learn from. Its her natural concern. She gives birth to them and is naturally devoted to them, full time. She nurtures and protects them. She wouldn’t let the father take them.

          Woman should be respected for choosing to devote themselves to their children full time. I’m sure this point will please Dota.

          Do mothers neglect their children? I think neglect is possibly too strong a word since they love them and make sure they are cared for even if some of that care is outsourced. But an argument along those lines could certainly be made.

          My mum found it important to stay at home with me and then my sister when we were children. She is an intelligent woman who could have been successful in any career. She went to the best school in Liverpool and got the highest marks in Latin that the school had ever had (she scored 100%). Yet she is just as remarkable (or perhaps unremarkable?) for extremely strong maternal instincts, which led her to devote herself to the upbringing of her children.

          When we were teenagers, she went to university, got a degree and now has a career, which she excels in.

          I can’t really tell other people that their mother’s shouldn’t stay at home with them. When I was 3, my mum and I went out to a different place every day, into town, to a visit a farm, swimming etc. It was a good time.

        • Steve

          *best girl’s school

          I said my mum could have been successful in any career but perhaps not any. Both of her careers have been in caring professions, even the one she does now which involves intellectually demanding assessments and court work.

          She is very talented in understanding emotions and how people tick. When I think of my mum and dad, they are quite different and more or less conform to male and female stereotypes. My mum is very nurturing and my dad is pretty much a man’s man type, very strong and everything.

          I don’t believe such profound differences are purely nurture, especially when they emerge so young. Men and woman are different.

          So I guess I disagree with gender feminism to some extent too. But I still think woman should be in the workforce (perhaps not woman with young children). I think MAKING all woman stay at home is oppressive and they should have the freedom to decide. And I think major decisions can be made together.

        • Gay State Girl

          I agree that toddlers are better off spending more time with their close female kin (mothers, grandmothers, aunts, older sisters) than they are at a full time day care. But I do take issue with the point that teachers, camp counselors and care takers are neglecting children. IME, female teachers and are every bit as intrusive, because people who enter the profession do so for ideological reasons.

          Re women as nurturers: That worked well before the invention of modern household appliances and women had a whole list of household chores to keep them busy. But now that they have all the time to focus on the social aspects of their children, students or clients, they tend to be too intrusive.

        • Gay State Girl

          Using your children to satisfy your emotional needs is a form of abuse in itself because these parents typically have a lot of trouble cutting the chord.

          I don’t know if you remember the good old days when children could walk to and from school or trick or treat without adults and organized most of their playtime and what not. Yes I know there are other factors at work, and it would certainly not be wise to allow children explore the world unattended. But the fact that even high school students are monitored full time (in many circumstances) does contradict the notion that “kids are getting older younger” and women are shedding their responsibilities.

    • Bhabiji

      Steve, “My mum is very nurturing and my dad is pretty much a man’s man type, very strong and everything.”

      Did you know that “man’s man” was a term invented by more feminine gay man to describe the type of man they are attracted to – the macho he-man type? The stereotypical “man’s man” is more attractive to other men (including hetero men, they want to be like him) than he is to heterosexual women.

      I don’t necessarily believe that women are more nurturing and better caretakers of small children. If you know any stay at home dads they are incredibly nurturing and present with their children. A study has been done that showed kids raised by single dads do better in 26 areas of measurement, including empathy, than kids raised by single moms.

      I think the nurturing thing varies from individual and can be cultivated. I’ve never been a kid person myself but once I was in a situation where I was forced to care for them, I got used to them and eventually became very good with them. Adults, whether male or female, who do not spend considerable time around kids will appear unnurturing, but once they get around kids for a long time, that hidden part of them comes out. Its a matter of experience.

      • Steve

        Interesting but were they average, typical men? They have taken on a traditional female role, so its possible they are exceptional or above average in some way or stronger in feminine qualities than the average man. Are they more intelligent or thoughtful or caring than average? Are they from a high income demographic whose kids do better on tests generally?

        Are female boxers or engineers average, typical woman?

        Maybe it would be better to test random men and woman for empathy, nurturing instincts or whatever.

        How do male and female sex hormones affect the way we feel and behave?

        I don’t know about this for sure but from my observations of close family, there is quite a big difference between men and woman. Maybe the woman in my family are just especially maternal.

        • Bhabiji

          Steve, the men are SAHPs and so are some of their wives. I know about a dozen couples like this and about half of the both stay home because they work from home, own their own small business. Most of these men either delivered their infants with their own hands or at least were present at the mostly home births. I’ve noticed that seems to create a very strong bond between fathers and infants from the start and the infants are just as attached to daddy as mommy. They crave daddy’s scent just as much as mommy’s.

          The old model where the father waits in the waiting room of a hospital while his wife delivers without his presence seems to have a negative bonding affect.

          More and more fathers are active participants in the birth of their children, some being the only other person besides the mom and infant present and the only deliverer. Its great.

        • Steve

          Bhabiji,

          my dad said that when I was born was the best day of his life. He was in the delivery room, goal end.

          I was the first ever baby that doctor delivered and he had to go and phone his mum to tell her when he was done. hehe

          In my experience, there is a special softness and tenderness about a mum. The body is soft and the heart is soft too. The voice is gentle. The baby responds.

          I know some baby girl’s are ‘daddy’s girls’ and want to be with their dads.

      • Bhabiji

        Steve, a man in India breast fed his baby girl, and milk actually came out. He did it to calm her down from incessant crying, her mother had passed away I think, but then milk came out. This is an untapped resource!

  2. Bhabiji

    “Female hypergamy is normal, but not in my Mom’s day. ”

    Like I said, those who are unable to compete….

    Anyway, consider yourself lucky. You have the oppurtunity and means to better yourself and make yourself more attractive to the women of your choice rather than have someone choose your life partner for you and be stuck forever.

    • tulio

      A few months back I went on a live taping of Bill Maher’s show in Hollywood. One matter he brought up is that women are much freer and have become more choosy with who to pair up with. They can make their own money and are no longer financially dependent on a husband. The social pressure to find a husband in her 20s lest she be stigmatized as a spinster has almost entirely abated. So now that women need men less, it becomes about her finding “the right man.” He found this laudable, but I find it problematic.

      The thing is, I’m not sure many women these days have the first damn clue what the right man is in the first place, even if she met him. My friend was telling me a story about a girl he knows. Her family set her up on a date with a guy they thought would be good for her. She wasn’t “feeling it” for him and rejected him. Her mom put tremendous pressure on her to give him another chance. Well a few years down the road she is now married to him with kids and couldn’t be happier. I’ve seen shit like this so many times I’ve lost count. Women who turn away perfectly decent guys because they weren’t “feeling him.” Or he is missing some esoteric quality that they can’t even describe that gives them the “swept off my feet” euphoria. I think we have a whole generation of people who have lost touch with the notion that strong feelings and a good relationship come with time. It’s not always an instantaneous feeling and a good guy shouldn’t be rejected just based on initial feeling. In fact, that instant chemistry can just as soon foretell an emotionally tumultuous relationship. In more traditional societies, women having tingly feelings about the men they are to marry is irrelevant. It’s about whether the guy has a solid reputation, can make a good father, isn’t a drunk and can provide for a family. Everything else is peripheral.

      I haven’t done online dating in years, but back when I was, I would read profiles of what the women were looking for and end up shaking my head in disbelief at times at what they think is important in a guy. A six pack, “looks as good in t-shirt and jeans as he does in a tuxedo”, “shares my love of Dave Matthews band and sushi and has a witty, sarcastic sense of humor”, “at least 6 ft tall”, “Can understand my inside jokes about Seinfeld”, blah blah. Rarely did a woman state, “I’m primarily looking for an honest man of decent character who values family.” So my point here, is I don’t even think many women know what’s good for them or what they should be looking for. Maybe there’s a reason women were pressured to marry young and were given options by their parents. Because these women would sit there and blow their prime years of fertility chasing alpha jerks who made their vaginas tingle rather than find a guy who’d actually make a decent husband one day.

      Why do you think game has become a multi-million dollar industry? Game is a reaction the sea change in the dynamics of sexual selection that have been unleashed by women’s liberation. It’s not merely a bunch of horny guys trying to trick women into bed. The primary customers of the game industry are actually NORMAL guys who are simply being left out due to female hypergamy. Guys who a generation ago would have been husbands and fathers and solid members of their community who are now incels. George Sodini was a prime example. Women who would rather grow up childless and see their ovaries wither up than date a man who makes a cent less than her or doesn’t have a beach body or know wine like a sommelier. I’m not joking, I actually know women that talk like this, women who are in their mid 30s who will probably be single for life but sit around complaining about how dumb and borish men are. 50 years ago these same women would’ve probably married some guy their friends or family introduced them too and had kids by now.

      I’m not saying women shouldn’t be in the workplace or we need to return the values of the past necessarily. But we need to be honest about ALL the social consequences of feminism. A major part of that will mean fewer marriages, more lonely, frustrated men AND women, and plummeting birth rates(we’re already seeing this in the West) as women’s hypergamy and thirst for educational and career accomplishment pushes mates selection to the boundary of their reproductive years. Women were MEANT to have kids while young. Our society is tampering with natural order in telling women they must wait till later age to have kids because they need to advance in their career first and foremost. I used to think women who had kids young were losers. Why would any woman not want to go to college and get a job first then think about marriage and kids later. But maybe they are the smarts ones. They are locking down a husband and family while they are at the peak of their beauty and have the highest sexual marketplace value. When a never-married woman hits the mid 30s, are marketplace value nosedives.

      • Bay Area Guy

        @ Tulio

        I myself have recently entered the world of online dating, and I can confirm that much of what you say is true. You know, I was raised with the stereotype that while guys were shallow, girls were much more open and accepting, but that’s a load of shit.

        Just looking at some of the profiles of girls on dating sites, and you would be amazed. There were some girls who openly said that they would refuse to date guys who were even slightly overweight, thought that a guy’s financial status was somewhat important, etc.

        Many if not most of them also had the “replies very selectively” label attached to their profile.

        However, at least for me, and I think I speak for other guys, as long as a girl is reasonably attractive (not even that attractive), and nice enough, that suffices for most men.

        But for girls and women, noooooo. Nothing ever seems to satisfy them, except for THE alpha male.

        • Gay State Girl

          Sigh. Maybe Sheldon Adelson will pay me to bear and raise a brood. Well one can hope.

        • Bhabiji

          ” You know, I was raised with the stereotype that while guys were shallow, girls were much more open and accepting, but that’s a load of shit.”

          It is a load of shit and I don’t know who started that or why. Even most of the men in the PUA or MRA sphere are pimping this idea that “looks don’t matter to women, nor does penis size”

          They are wrong on both accounts. I think the lie was started by unattractive men with small willies to make themselves feel better.

        • tulio

          BAG, OK Cupid did a study that proved that women are more selective about looks than men are. The stereotype has always been that men are shallow and want a hot girlfriend and women are the ones that look more at personality factors. That’s not the case: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Tulio

          Wow, 80% of guys are considered unattractive and not up to girls’ standards?

          I mean, I believe it, but shit, that still seems like a ridiculous percentage.

        • tulio

          Exactly, it’s hard to believe. Sometimes I think traditional cultures had it right in giving women less choice in the who they’d marry.

        • Bhabiji

          Pfft! I coulda told ya that. Tulio, BAG, log off the net, crawl out of your holes and try talking to some real life women and we will tell you, we are shameless objectifiers of hot, sexy men.

          The “women are not as shallow as men when it comes to look” myth was created by ugly guys out of a desperate attempt to self-soothe.

        • Bay Area Guy

          The “women are not as shallow as men when it comes to look” myth was created by ugly guys out of a desperate attempt to self-soothe.

          I always thought it was created by gender feminists as part of their overall “guys are pigs, women are soulful” way of thinking.

        • tulio

          Bhabiji represents everything that’s wrong with the modern American woman. It’s women like her that will ride the alpha male cock carousel their entire 20s, then will panick as they approach 30 knowing their sexual market value will implode and the window is closing fast to find a husband. I know a few such women who go from pretty boy jerk to pretty boy jerk and in the end will wind up raising a couple kids by themselves.

          You see, this very scenario has pretty much been the norm in the black community for a generation. Now whites are catching up.

        • Bhabiji

          Tulio, you ghetto thug, I’m not white. Nor do I believe in legal marriage, nor do I have or want kids. And I have too high of an IQ to be a baby mama.

        • Steve

          @ Tulio you make it sound like there are only pretty boy jerks and ordinary guys. There are a lot of ‘pretty boys’ who make good boyfriends too. Are all ‘alpha males’ (whatever the hell that means) shallow jerks? That sounds anti-men.

          @BAG

          ‘Wow, 80% of guys are considered unattractive and not up to girls’ standards?’

          More than 20% of men have girlfriends or are getting laid, so…

      • Gay State Girl

        “They can make their own money and are no longer financially dependent on a husband.”

        I would have thought this to be the greatest act of male liberation as well, since women are more of a liability and nuisance from a practical stand point. Homebots and sexbots could take the place of women and male birth control pills could help men control their sexual impulses around real women.

  3. Here’s a jolly little anecdote further illustrating your point:

    In 2003, I was sharing an apartment with my girlfriend at the time. It was in her name, but I paid rent and the manager was aware of my occupancy. Both my vehicle registration and driver’s license featured the very address. She had been wanting to kick alcohol (in no small part to urging by her parents as well as myself) and had gone to see a shrink who prescribed Welbutrin and another med. Needless to say, her moods were all over the place, since the dosage for these types of meds is determined by trying out what the doc prescribes for a couple weeks, then “tweaking” the dosage until the desired result is achieved, something which may not even happen, and so a different med would be tried out and the process repeated. This was exacerbated by my politely informing her that her vagina wasn’t smelling quite right and she may have an infection, and that’s why I wasn’t going down on her or fucking her. Thus began a rollercoaster whose highs were “I can’t believe how lucky I am” and whose lows were “FUCK YOU YOU WORHTLESS PIECE OF SHIT, I CAN MAKE ONE PHONE CALL AND HAVE YOU KILLED!”

    Anyway, prior to my leaving to attend a music conference in Atlanta (we lived in Sherman Oaks), the roller coaster was at “high”. Everything was groovy, her vaginal infection had since cleared up and she was in the “you’re so wonderful, I can’t wait for you to come home” mode. Flash forward 4 days. I’ve been flying since 5am, I’m in shorts, flip-flops and a Hawaiian shirt because Atlanta in August is so cold and dry, and my key won’t work in the door. So I ring the doorbell and I hear ‘FUCK OFF! GO AWAY!”.

    Rather than continue pounding and yelling through the door, I go downstairs to my car and call her on my cell, trying very hard to remain calm and not sound utterly incredulous as I ask her what the fuck is going on. She informs me that she doesn’t love me anymore, that I am the source of everything bad in her life and that she had the locks changed because she no longer wants me to live with her. I respond that that all very well may be, however I am a legal tennant of that aprtment, all my stuff is in it and I have not been given 30 days notice, as is required by law (bear in mind that I am not being this civil, I am swearing rather alot and have to rasie my voice every time she speaks over me). I tell her that I’m calling the police to force her to let me in. I guess she must have been working her way downstairs during all this, because right then, I see her come out of the building in a nightgown (it’s about 4pm) and no shoes, pointing at me, shouting “THIS IS WHAT YOU DO!!! YOU USE WOMEN!” so I drive around the block and call the cops.

    I wait a few minutes, park infront of the building and wait. When they get there, I tell the cops what’s up, prove to them I live there and one of them tells me to wait and he’ll go talk to her. When the cop comes back down, I go “Thanks, man, can I go up now?” and he goes, “Uh, she says you hit her, but that if you go away she won’t press charges.”

    WTF?!?

    I say, no, I did not fucking hit her, the closest I even came to her was when she got within 20 feet of me and my car before I drove away. No, I will not fucking go, this is my fucking home and I have not been properly served with eviction by the apartment manager or anybody, for that matter. The cops look really uncomfortable now and they have her come down. She tells them how I came upstairs and hit her and one cop says “Ma’am, can you show us where, are there any marks?” and of course, there were none, but she persisted. The cop, getting more uncomfortable all the time takes me aside and tells me “Look, man, I know what this is, but the law now, thanks to OJ, says that if she inisists, I’ll have to take you in. Now, if she had hit you, too…..” Verbatim, I said “Fuck that, I’m not going to lie, this is insane” and the cop says “My advice is split and come back and get your stuff, our hands are tied”. And said “Then do what you gotta do, this is my home, I have nowhere to go, I’ve been up for over 24 hours and I’m not backing down”. So the cop and I walk back over and he asks her “Can’t he at least take a shower, get changed and make some calls so he can find a place to stay?” and she says “No! I will not have that man in MY home!”. He gives me one more chance to leave and I said “Fuck no, arrest me” and stared at her the entire time as they put on the cuffs and sheepishly put me in the car, looking more apologetic than anyone I’ve ever seen in my life. I started laughing and told her she better get ready for some serious fun in court.

    An ex-girlfriend who had ended things because I hit on her friend (yes, that was a fucking completely dishonourable and unacceptable thing for a grown man to do and I feel shame for it) but with whom I was on excellent terms, due in most part to the fact that I helped her get a security deposit back from a scumbag Romanian landlord (I served him myself) paid my bail. I learned that the GF had filed a restraining order. Some 50 year-old dude who lived with his mom and had been trying to fuck my GF for ages (who magically became un-creepy to her) brought my stuff by where I was staying. I called my dad for help.

    My father and his brother,had no little experience in the civil courtroom and my father, usually not overly-concerened with my problems, took suitable umbrage at the GF’s actions and uncharacteristically told me it wasn’t my fault and that no-one desrved to have this kind of bullshit happen to them and hired me an attorney with the lawfirm which successfully defended MGM in the wrongful death lawsuit brought by the family of Vic Morrow on the Twilight Zone set (he was decapitated by the blades of a crashing chopper). Their first action was to contact the LA Attorney’s office and see that the charges against me were never even filed. I was assigned a female attorney, learned the court date and was told, very simply “Do not say anything to anyone but me, this will be ok”.

    Since the courts in LA are jammed full, in these types of matters the judge first suggests arbitration, which simply means sitting down with a moderator and trying to work shit out without wasting the fucking taxpayers’ money and the judge’s time. The moderator asks what’s going on, GF says, in short, that I hit her, I was using her, not paying rent, eating her food, making a giant mess and she was sick of it (I paid rent, had receipts, paid for groceries and was the only one doing any housework, but I digress), to which the moderator replied that restraining orders aren’t for getting back at people you feel owe you something, but did she feel I was a danger to her, and she said yes. My attorney, with whom I had shared every bit of info I had, told the moderator that she was on several psych meds, that they had been causing erratic behaviour and that, if anyone should feel in danger, it was I, due to repeated threats made by her that she could “have me killed” by her friend Rocco (I shit you not, the guy’s name was really Rocco), and that I was going to file a restraining order as well, but that I’d be willing to call it a day if she just dropped the request for the order and we could sign a “mutual cleft” agreement which wouldn’t show up on any backgorund checks for either of us, but was enforceable if either of us violated it. She also let her know that, if she insisted on moving forward, not only would she also have a restraining order filed by me against her that would be a matter of record, but that very private details, such as her psych med use and vaginal infection would be openly discussed. Oh no, she was adamant. So the moderator sighed and sent us back to the courtroom.

    We sat for about 5 minutes waiting for our docket number to be called, when the GF came up very meekly behind us and asked my attorney to speak with her. My attorney came back in a few minutes later telling me she’d “changed her mind” (out of the goodness of her heart, she’d said, she just didn’t want anythinbg “bad” to happen to me) and agreed to the mutaul cleft and dropped the restraining order.

    I won’t tell you how much it cost to pay my dad back for my massively over-powered attorney, but years later, I had to actually go and pay money to have the mere record of the arrest expunged so I could become a permanent resident of Canada. This cunt, this psycho, this miserable, spoiled, entiltled, insecure excuse of a walking yeast-infection completely and utterly disrupted my life, cost me money and severe emotional distress and she did it for all the world seeming as if it was her right to do so. She felt that, merely because it was what she wanted, little things like my dignity and the law meant absolutely nothing, and she even seemed shocked when she was forced to realize that she couldn’t lie and have her way through the courts, as if that was how things are actually supposed to work. Clearly, the “gyno-entitlement with impunity” mindset had been thoroughly inculcated in her and for quite a while, as she was about 38 at the time.

    Sorry for the novel, Bob, but is this sorta what you’re talking about?

    • Steve

      She sounds like a psycho bitch.

      Lots of woman really do get beat and abused by their boyfriend or husband so these things have to be taken seriously by the police and courts. What is the alternative?

      I saw a video in which a white American woman told a story about being practically held hostage and thrown around and hit by her Japanese boyfriend. She managed to call the police in the end and when they turned up, they said they couldn’t do anything and just left her there!

      This is the rule I would have: if the woman has marks, then arrest the guy. If the woman has no marks, then provide an option for the woman to be taken to a safe house and leave the guy at home.

      It sounds like her scheming didn’t work and justice prevailed in the end, as it should have.

      Unfortunately, there are some psycho bitches around. Best just staying away from them. Lots of nice woman out there, who wouldn’t think to threaten you with the law.

      • Justice was served, but the restaurant was extremely fucking expensive.

      • Dota

        “”Lots of woman really do get beat and abused by their boyfriend or husband so these things have to be taken seriously by the police and courts. What is the alternative? “”

        An investigation? evidence? Innocent until proven guilty? Boring stuff like that

        • Steve

          Yes that stuff should happen. Point stands that police and courts have to take domestic abuse charges seriously.

          I made my own suggestion, which would have meant he would not have been taken away by the police. I’m sure you read it.

          Regarding restraining orders, maybe some reform is needed. They should exist though.

      • The same cops told me in the car “You don’t know how many of these same types of calls we get and there ain’t a damned thing we can do about ‘em”. That’s another reason the judge was sending every single restraining order request, of which mine was but one of a shitload on the docket that day, to the moderator. That’s how common and prevalent that abuse of restraining orders by women has become. It’s fucking tragic, because it’s somehting that’s supposed to protect women, something that a few decades ago or so I don’t think existed, and here it is being used as weapon of petty vengeance that can cause serious harm to a single male of no great means and a meagre support network. That’s insidious and it hurts women more than it hurts men, much like how abusively entitled blacks ruin it for black people who are cool.

        • With men, rules are rules. For women, rules are meant to be broken. They are tools to be used in any way possible, morality be damned. A law or a rule is simply a tool to a woman, something she can use. Not a hard and fast entity. And she will abuse that tool and use it wrongly in a twisted way, and will feel it was 100% proper to do so.

        • Steve

          If this is true, then there is indeed a problem. What is the solution? The point still stands that there must be a means to protect genuinely abused woman, which are many in number.

          I doubt that this restraining order thing is a problem in the UK. I have only ever heard of one case myself, and it was deserved. A lot of the problems I hear about on here seem to be particular to the USA.

        • Steve

          @ Robert

          men always follow rules and laws? Woman are unable to respect rules? Examples? Evidence? This sounds like a woman hating generalization.

          There are some vindictive woman around. Many good ones. Bad, abusive men are not uncommon. Men break laws all the time.

        • Steve

          Woman interpret or use rules to their advantage? Examples? Evidence? This isn’t intuitively obvious or evident from my experience.

          Woman are less moral than men? I doubt it. Misogynists say that sort of thing all the time.

        • Steve

          what kind of rules anyway?

    • Bhabiji

      Richard, you chose poorly. What in gods name prompted you to get involved with, what to speak of move in with, someone with a drinking problem? You should know better. Shame on you.

      • Not all drinking issues have to do with how much the person drinks, but how they behave and what stressors trigger the behaviour. Good alcoholics are at least able to sublimate/avoid the negative behaviours for a time, but once you begin living with someone 24/7, it becomes far more difficult to maintian the facade, the cracks appear and “Heeeeeere’s Johnny!” But I appreciate your concern, I have never been attracted to people who drink alot as I, myself, drink very little.

        • Bhabiji

          The question stands. Regardless of how much she drinks or if she’s a “good alcoholic” (whatever that means), or not, you KNEW she had issues BEFORE you moved in with her.

          Its on you.

        • Thank you for sharing your views on dating adults who choose to drink alcohol from time to time. The fact that you don’t approve of people drinking is of so little relevence as to be immeasurable. If what you’re implying, albeit not very subtley, is that I deserved what happened to me because I was a fool for not being able to predict that someone whom I’d known to be quite pleasant when she drank all those 3 or 4 times a week would, after a few months, become depressed, bitter and angry, then you are an utterly arrogant, judgemental and delusionally-narcisisstic ass-fuck.

          There, that’s what you wanted, isn’t it? I know you practically live on this blog site and essentially go about being an argumentative prick/cunt (I’ve no idea your gender nor care). There, you successfully provoked me into profanity and insults. Now go shove a coathanger in your urethra. :)

        • Bhabiji is a female. She’s also a super feminist and is illustrative of the type of women that feminism creates millions of.

        • Steve

          “Thank you for sharing your views on dating adults who choose to drink alcohol from time to time. The fact that you don’t approve of people drinking is of so little relevence as to be immeasurable.”

          Bhabiji was saying, perfectly sensibly and prudently, that you should not move in with somebody who is an alcoholic or has a drinking problem. She said ‘drinking problem’. She is not disapproving of all alcohol consumption or saying you shouldn’t move in with somebody who enjoys a drink a couple of times a week or whatever.

          Such a terrible super feminist, giving sound, practical advice.

        • Well, I have to agree with Bhabiji. As someone who works with at-risk men, I can say categorically that they chose unstable women with which to have relationships. Especially for men in recovery, the last thing you need is to complicate your life with someone else’s recovery. And the same for the other person. It was a losing situation from the get go.

          People of both sexes have the erroneous idea that they can fix someone in a relationship. Won’t work. If you or your partner have issues, resolve them before you try getting together. And, most definitely, don’t complicate things with sex. Any women will just feel more used and homicidal if the relationship sours after that.

      • IndianMan-Brahmin

        Bhabiji, The problem with you is that you equate your sexual problems with the problems of entire Female Gender

        this is what most feminists do, most of them are Ugly to core, I mean their appearance itself is ugly, perhaps ugly women choose to become feminists .

        It would be better if you engage in conversation with your husband and hook up with several men to quench your thirst

        Lot of women who have nothing useful to contribute other than their Vagina are into this feministic mindset that Entire Mans World Runs around their Stinky poo hole and Vagina.

        Sorry ,but you have problems, and you have made a choice to have a man in your life , If its due to coercion than you are even a culprit for not using the law against your parents–Remember a major in India is entitled to have her choice, so simply you have no used the law , which is your mistake

        IF you have lost interest in your husband and would like to engage in several sexual encounters , then you must quit the relationship and practise what you feel, Pls, Never have children as it would be an emotional trauma for them.

        And please tell your problem to you husband that he may be hideously Ugly and you made choice for security rather than love and you wish to explore your sexuality more.

        I Feel Indian Dalit men( Assuming you were a dalit) will become emotional and may hurt you, which is understandable as they have high EQ and Low IQ.

        But i suggest you to give a shot , rather than fooling your poor husband and sleeping around with others.

        And most importantly i suggest you get out of indian society and get some job as your Hippocratic parents may feel your behaviour abnormal .

        There is nothing wrong in Exploring your sexuality with multiple men as long as you have beauty and as long as there are men who are willing to engage in such activity with you.

        but please dont blame your Husband or Parents for your Choice.

        Ofcourse you can blame social constructs but as far as i know a lot of women intentionally enter into such construct for the sake of security

        –For example, i have dated a sikh girl in canada, when i was doing my masters, i have had sex with her, i even proposed her for marriage but she insisted that she would marry another Sikh.

        It’s her choice and he did marry another sikh and she is having kids with him, She lives in Chandigarh , works as HR in Sapient technologies.–I have had 3 affairs so far,2 desi girls and 1 Semi desi girl–Infact she is a desi born to Singaporean women(Half British) and Tamil man

        All of them are Desi’s –You can Claim that i am not successful with Gori’s , may be/ I have never had a long term relationship with any Gori, Due to many pressures i broke relationships and many are short Stupid dates.

        The thing is , I am not preaching morality–All women , mostly desis with whom i had sex with are more interested to settle down with their own caste and Religion

        They may have chosen me for Many reasons, I am no Alpha male–I am Beta, more often you will see me in library than Bar.

        Perhaps my Education or something that might have stirred up their attraction, i never questioned them.

        Point is most girls choose to have their own religious groups or Caste groups in India–It has become social construct , may be for security or for any other reason.

        The thing that works in Scandinavian countries( Only 15 percent of couples have Married Relationship, most of them end up living together without any Social contract ) will not work in Reactionary society like

        Most indian men like me are Beta’s, and I may settle down with another ugly hideously scheming Indian Women, but you see its fate.

        I am single and thankfully not in India, i am very happy that i am mentally sane , if i were living in parasitic India , i would have committed suicide by now, because of all the Hippocratic Legal system we have

        • Bhabiji

          “They may have chosen me for Many reasons, I am no Alpha male–I am Beta, more often you will see me in library than Bar.”

          This is the problem when Desi guys who have no idea what they’re talking about read Western blogs, ape the terminology, and copy and paste it onto Indian culture.

          What makes you think bar rats are “alpha” and book readers are “beta”?

          “Most indian men like me are Beta’s, and I may settle down with another ugly hideously scheming Indian Women, but you see its fate.”

          Another Inshallah-walla. There is no such thing as “fate”. Our future is not predetermined. Your life is what you make it. This is one of the most unattractive things about Desi guys, their belief in something outside of themselves determining their life, and its the core reason why they fail to individuate from their parents and obey them like small children, dogs and robots far into adulthood.

          A woman wants a man who carves his own way in life and makes his own decisions.

          Man up and take control of your own destiny, Indian Man Brahmin!

    • Yes. This is what happens under Female Rule. Feminism created this woman. I have heard countless stories like this, and the Manosphere is full of these tales. Every day on the Manosphere, there are new horror stories like this.

    • Yep, feminism creates these types by the truckload. And in the Female Mind, all of this is not only right and proper but also moral and legal. Women basically need to be protected from themselves. This is what happens when you set them free. Millions of psycho bitches.

      • Dota

        That’s true Robert. It almost makes me agree with Aristotle’s position in ‘Politics’ that some people just need to be enslaved for their own good. Almost.

      • Steve

        Do you know the British programme top gear? They did a really good special in America where they hired cars in Miami and drove to New Orleans. When they got to New Orleans they decided to donate their car to somebody who needed it because it was just after the flood. One of them gave his car away and the person he gave it to attempted to sue him because the car was dangerous or something.

        The extreme selfishness and ingratitude of that and the litigation culture that allows it is pretty sick. If that is anything to go by, somehow I am not surprised there are so many false restraining orders and all sorts of other bullshit. Americans need to be protected from themselves lol

        • Bhabiji

          “One of them gave his car away and the person he gave it to attempted to sue him because the car was dangerous or something. ”

          I’m not surprised. Homeless Americans eat out of restaurant garbage and then sue those restaurants for millions when they get sick. Because they can.

        • Steve

          In America, if somebody injures themselves while breaking into a house, they can sue. There are cases where they have won I believe.

          I think this might be the case In the UK too.

    • Bhabiji

      “Some 50 year-old dude who lived with his mom and had been trying to fuck my GF for ages”

      Was he Desi?

    • mott69

      Borderline Personality Disorder. Been there. Done that!

  4. Gay State Girl

    I’ll forgive Gay Area Guy (given his origin) but most people should know better.

    • Forgive who you want, Lord Jesus Christ, but the drinking didn’t appear as an issue until well into living together. Besides, this is a story about rampant feminine entitlement, which is not excused by being nuts, or do you disagree? You feel that yes, a man desrves it if he’s unfortunate enough to have a chick go nuts on him without much ion the way of warning? Oh, I’m sorry, that never happens, gee, I must really be stupid and have no experience in the world or in life or with women. You are, perhaps, somewhat more than just a little presumptuous? Oh no, just terribly wise, I must learn from you.

      • Dota

        Actually Richard, Bhabiji is a pretty insightful and honest commenter. If a woman got beaten up by her alcoholic boyfriend, Bhabiji would assign all the blame on the woman for choosing poorly. Women are pretty fair like that.

        • Bhabiji

          “If a woman got beaten up by her alcoholic boyfriend, Bhabiji would assign all the blame on the woman for choosing poorly. Women are pretty fair like that.”

          Yes we are, at least I am. Anyone who knowingly gets involved with an alcoholic has it coming.

      • Gender feminism is all about rampant female entitlement. Female Rule is about female entitlement inculcated into rule, society and even law. In the Female Utopia, rampant female entitlement is enshrined in its very Constitution, possibly as the 1st Amendment.

      • Dota

        That might give you some credibility (assuming you aren’t bluffing) but it doesn’t make you less morally retarded. People need to be held accountable for their actions. Richard’s girlfriend clearly intended to harm him and hence should be held accountable for her actions. Making a bad decision is not a crime, harming someone out of malicious intent is.

      • Bhabiji

        Richard, what that woman did to you was wrong and the law should come down hard on her. That being said, imagine this.

        You come home and are locked out of the house. Instead of calling her from your car, you take off, spend the night elsewhere, get rested, collect your thoughts.

        Not hearing from you she wonders, the wheels in her head start turning, she maybe even starts feeling guilty or worrying that you’re with another woman. She calls you. You don’t answer. She texts you. You ignore it, delete it.

        After 3 days you send her a text, “I’ll be there tomorrow at 12 noon to collect my things. Make sure the door is unlocked.”

    • Bay Area Guy

      I’ll forgive Gay Area Guy

      Forgive me for what? Perhaps I missed a post that got lost somewhere?

      • Gay State Girl

        For assuming feminist tenets are normative. I guess it’s still pretty popular in Berkeley, but elsewhere it’s a dirty word. Self proclaimed feminists are ridiculed, by men and women alike.

  5. Bhabiji

    Bobby, “Both sexes talk and flirt to various degrees constantly. Men and women are constantly and openly checking each other out. It’s a great, sexually open and free environment.”

    But elsewhere you favor sexual marxism.

    • What do you go on and on about Sexual Marxism so much for? In most of the West, it’s dead and it’s been dead for ages. And it ain’t coming back. All men here have to fight like dogs for women. So your rants here just fall on deaf ears.

      And personally, I would not touch Bhabiji with a 10 foot pole and an 11 foot extension. I would not fuck with her with Mohit’s dick and 50 condoms wrapped on. She scares the living shit out of me.

      She’s a prime example of the Frankenwomen that inevitably get created by gender feminism. The West is teeming with tens of millions of cold blooded Bhabijis. Which is why so many men are looking to Latin America, Russia, Eastern Europe, SE Asia – ANYWHERE BUT THE WEST.

      Bhabiji is also a reactionary, if you haven’t noticed. She’s a Social Darwinist rightwinger. So of course she’s down with Indian nationalism, Hindutvadi, radical neoliberal capitalism and all the rest of reactionary bull.

      I can’t really say more about how I feel about Bhabiji because she will get mad and retaliate and I will have to ban her. And I don’t bait people into bans here.

      • Dota

        Calm yourself Robert, she’s just a child. I have however realized that in comparison to Bhabi, GSG is light years ahead in terms of being mature, level headed, and reasonable (except with regards to the Pallys).

      • Steve

        I kind of like her.

      • Steve

        You can fuck her with my dick. Sorry, crude.

      • Bhabiji

        “And personally, I would not touch Bhabiji with a 10 foot pole and an 11 foot extension. I would not fuck with her with Mohit’s dick and 50 condoms wrapped on. She scares the living shit out of me. ”

        Who’s asking you to fuck me? Certainly not me! Why did sexual thoughts regarding me even enter your mind for a split second, even if in the negative? See, that’s exactly what women mean when we use the “c” word.

    • I don’t favor Sexual Marxism, but in Hispanic society, just about everyone gets married by age 25 or so. I guess to you that’s Sexual Marxism or something.

      I don’t even know what Sexual Marxism is. It’s dead and gone in the West and elsewhere anyway, and it ain’t coming back in my lifetime.

      It does seem like in my Mom’s era, when everyone pretty much just got married no matter what status they were, things were just a lot better. This modern day Hobbesian Social Darwinist Feminist Dystopia you relish so much is positively Hellish in comparison.

      And you go on and on about how I can’t compete. You want to know my sexual history? Most commenters on here are aware of it. You want the numbers? I’ve been with more females than most guys will in 10-20 lifetimes.

      I’m best described as an Old Player.

      So don’t give me this crap about how I’ve never been able to get a date.

      • “So don’t give me this crap about how I’ve never been able to get a date.”
        You are targeted by good ol’ canned feminazi shaming rhetoric, The Ugly Tan Charge. It is all here.
         
        @ Steve
        I have known more than a dozen cases of Indian women who cheat on their (unattractive or impotent) husbands in Delhi and Kolkata. Most of these husbands naive simpletons, usually Punjabis, who believe their wives are the embodiment of the ‘Bharatiya nari’ (~ideal Indian woman). They’d probably get a heart attack if they find out what their wives are up to, while they’re out t bring home the beef (or paneer, as the case may be).
         
        I too am skeptic of the alpha male/beta male theories put forth by the manosphere. I have seen and experienced enough of the world around me to understand that most of their theories about relationships, dating and gender interactions are inflated, hyper-imaginative and at times, reactionary.
         
        For instance, the argument over George Sodini’s attack on an LA gym focuses on how George Sodini was a normal American guy who was ripped by the ‘feminist lie’. When in reality, the guy’s life came off as the chronicles of someone who is a little psychologically unhinged. A 40 year old man who not only had just one sexual relationship in his lifetime, but also close to zero male friends, apart from dozens of other signs which will take too much explanation.
         
        Another manosphere blog rambles on how conservative societies are PUA ideals. These blokes should stop using on ex-Communist states like Poland as an example and focus instead on real conservative patriarchal cultures like the Hindu cultures and Islamic cultures.

        • Bhabiji

          “For instance, the argument over George Sodini’s attack on an LA gym focuses on how George Sodini was a normal American guy who was ripped by the ‘feminist lie’. When in reality, the guy’s life came off as the chronicles of someone who is a little psychologically unhinged. A 40 year old man who not only had just one sexual relationship in his lifetime, but also close to zero male friends, apart from dozens of other signs which will take too much explanation.”

          Yeah and now they are doing the same thing with this Holmes guy who just a few days ago aimed to kill an entire movie theatre in Colorado watching the latest Batman movie, claiming to be The Joker, and in fact killing dozens and injuring dozens more.

          They’re saying its womens’ fault for not dating him. Some are blaming Obama – hello! What, Obama is supposed to create an assembly line of girlfriends for mentally disturbed men? Christ, this guy may not even be hetero. How about the Manosphere dudes – why don’t they take one for the team and date him?

        • Bhabiji

          “Another manosphere blog rambles on how conservative societies are PUA ideals.”

          PUA and MRA are entirely different spheres built upon different principles. PUAs are mostly normal, liberal or moderate guys who like feminism as well as the sexual revolution. They don’t get into stuff like so called “mens rights” because they are too busy improving themselves to attract women. Their blogs and forums are largely apolitical.

          MRA is a entirely different ball of wax, with overlap into HBD, which PUAs consider racist.

        • “What, Obama is supposed to create an assembly line of girlfriends for mentally disturbed men?”
          A lot of MRA types actually believe that as men, they are entitled to sex and submission from women. And because they are extended virgins, they often have an over-reaching expectations from women, one that goes beyond conventional human norms.
           
          “PUA and MRA are entirely different spheres built upon different principles.”
          I was talking about the manosphere, not MRA. The manosphere is an informal term for the grey line where PUA blends with MRA.
           
          I remember a discussion in a manosphere blog which was linked here by a commenter, where the author was vehemently denied that it was the sexual revolution that opened the playing field for him. He used Poland as an example of a ‘traditional country that is a PUA paradise’ and closed down the argument.
           
          Poland is religiously conservative BUT socially marxist. While there are puritanical Catholic types, the majority of Polish men and women have internalised the liberal values that decades of communism brought upon the country, which is why he could pick Polish women (and not have to ask their daddy her hand in marriage).

    • Hispanic society is Sexual Marxism in a sense. With the Indians, they are all married by age 14, or at latest by age 18. With the others, they’re mostly married with kids by age 25 or so. There’s not much of a singles scene. There’s not much hypergamy either. It’s a traditional patriarchal society that is not yet feminist-fucked.

      • Steve

        This is the definition of hypergamy on dictionary.com:

        “the practice among Hindu women of marrying into a caste at least as high as their own.”

        Before feminism, did woman ever marry below their class and social status in the west? I doubt it.

        Men do, woman don’t.

        I think men value beauty before status. They’d rather have some sexy to bang. Men don’t derive their status and esteem from their wife. They make it on their own and provide for their woman. Woman want a man who can provide for them and they don’t want a fall in status.

        Plus, being the partner of higher status puts you in a more dominant/powerful position so it suits the sexual/social dynamic between men and woman for the man to be higher status. A man doesn’t want a higher status wife as it puts him in the position of being provided for. A woman does as it is social advancement. It all seems logical and understandable and natural.

        It was like that before feminism and it probably still is.

        What’s this stuff about hypergamy being caused by feminism? Once again, I don’t get it.

        • Bhabiji

          Exactly Steve, men can thank Feminism and the Sexual Revolution for women even considering dating or marrying down in one measurement (heh, pun) or another.

          Plus this whole, “50 years ago all the lonely, desperate guys today would be married with kids.” Really? What are the stats on American single men now vs then?

        • Steve

          Ah, I just realized, maybe when these guys complain about modern day hypergamy, they are talking about woman not marrying below their attractiveness level? Is that what they mean? Because in arranged marriage societies, it happens all the time. Unattractive guys get woman who are out of their league.

          I knew one Indian case of this where the woman cheated because she wasn’t attracted to her husband.

          Wait a minute though…one does sometimes see a beautiful woman with a less attractive guy, probably because he has money or some kind of tough guy status or something.

          Anyway, this seems to come down to less attractive guys complaining because they are no longer able to force beautiful woman to marry them…lol! You’re not supposed to force people to do stuff! Its called oppression. ‘We can’t control woman any more so we can’t get laid’. Surely, there’s something wrong with this thinking!

          Anyway, I don’t believe only alpha males are getting all the woman. I look around, I see a lot of couples. I see all levels of attractiveness with girlfriends.

          I think if you improve the way you dress and make an effort, you have a decent chance of getting a girlfriend, especially if you are realistic.

        • Steve

          btw I have 15 first cousins on my dad’s side, a mix of men and woman, and 12 or 13 of them have boyfriends/husbands or girlfriends/wives.

          I’m also thinking of another family I know where all four (two men, two woman) ave boyfriends/girlfriends. They aren’t the best looking people around but they are okay and they have great personalities.

          All of my sisters friends have boyfriends.

          Whatever young people I know that I think of, the majority of them have boyfriends/girlfriends.

          I’m very skeptical about this alpha males monopolizing the woman theory. Maybe you get a lot of bitter, lonely guys together in one place on the net, and they come up with theories like this.

  6. Bhabiji

    Gaming the cretinous PUA males
    by Dr. Anne Hauser Busch

    Lesson A. Fully grown human PUA males are all really just little boys in hairy, sweaty, smelly adult bodies. Males love to be baby-talked to and treated like a wittle child (which is why spoon-feeding like toddlers turns them on) and PUA-types especially resent having responsibilities because that makes them feel like ‘victims’ of some invisible ‘OZ’ out there trying to get something out of them. Gamer men are utterly infantile creatures at heart (which is why they are lead by their dicks so easily, not a whole lot going on upstairs 24/7 and prefer younger, naive women who won’t recognize how stupid and infantile they actually are). Males desire a mommy figure (who can conveniently fuck them). That’s why they make a big deal out of a woman who cooks/cleans/rears-children etc. because they are searching for their mommy figure to fulfill their innermost psychological need to fuck their mother and be taken care of by mommy. PUAs have a particularly huge mommy complex which gives them an especially warped love/hate towards all women in general (but, especially towards women who actually fuck them because even though they want mommy to fuck them, they have a hard time dealing with actually fucking the latest mommy figure). Male PUAs who actually know how to cook, clean and care for themselves will instantly expect YOU to take over that job if a ‘relationship’ actually develops by some miracle. DO NOT succumb to EVER doing things for little boy. If little boy can’t handle being a BIG boy, then, refer to lesson B. to show little boy that he needs to learn to be a man.

    Lesson B. Males love to be slapped or better, to have the excrement beaten out of them. This is why they watch so many violent sports where males hurt each other like boxing, hockey, rugby, football, martial arts, pro-wrestling etc. Males have fantasies of having the living crap beat out of them. It’s in their genes and in their hormonal make-up. This is why you need to stage a ‘crime’ scene set-up for an evening out with your PUA-mama’s-boy. Just hire a big, huge, muscular thug-type guy to demand your purse from you while you’re walking to your car from a night out with your whimpy PUA and watch the fun ensue as he gets pummeled for not manning up to the situation (because he’s a total loser, of course). Do not show ANY sympathy once all is said and done (and his lip is split and bleeding), do NOT ‘MOMMY’ him but instead exhibit pure disgust and then drive HIM home, drop his sorry ass off and ignore his calls and texts for the next month. If he never calls because he knows he’ll never live that down, good riddance. If he does come crawling back, be sure to rub it in his face what a limp little whimp he is whenever he refuses to do something on YOUR terms (this is a golden nugget you can bring up for as long as the ‘romance’ lasts).

    Lesson C. The majority of males are all whores (but, especially PUAs) and, yes, this is no big revelation but it bears repeating because women often want to put men on a pedestal as ‘KSAs” [Knights in Shining Armor] who are good and noble creatures and this just isn’t so. Males are downright vile and will stick their putrefied, infected penises in just about any hole within their immediate proximity (even another man’s mouth/anus if that’s all that is available in their current environment) and spread diseases willy-nilly without a care (or a condom). Male PUAs are narcissists who do not know how to genuinely love someone other than themselves (the self-love even being rather shallow and surface only) and usually he hates mommy (even though he wants to copulate with her at the same time).

    Lesson D. ALL (and I do mean ALL) PUA males are secretly gay or have VERY gay tendencies (which is also a part of their intense misogynistic psychosis towards women), which is why PUA males engage in “bromances” and prefer the company of men to women 9 times out of 10 unless it’s for what they lovingly refer to as “pump and dump” sex (one night stands with no respect for themselves or the woman they just had sex with). These men also love to mutually mentally masturbate about their ‘conquests’ to other men (it’s like a sewing-circle/circle-jerk hybrid gossip boi conversation between gays). These males will practically ejaculate all over each other regaling each other with stories that contain lurid, prurient details of the last ‘babe’ they ‘boned’ which is about the closest thing they can get to comparing each other’s penis-sizes without stripping naked and standing next to each other admiring and/or envying each other’s phalluses. These are the same men who will refer to women as “cum dumpsters” without realizing that they just referred to themselves and specifically their own sperm as ‘garbage’ [well, they ain’t too bright].

    Lesson E. Males are hypergamous AND polygamous. They’d prefer to have a harem or a posse of wives at their disposal (polygamy) but, since that kind of behavior is not allowed legally in most western societies they revert to their hypergamous natures (always changing up/upgrading their relationships with women [see Hugh Hefner] or cheating on their loving, loyal wives/girlfriends [see Prince Charles, Hugh Grant, Matthew Broderick, Mel Gibson, David Letterman, Tiger Woods, Bill Clinton, JFK, James Cameron, Donald Trump, Michael Jordon, Morgan Freeman etc. ad infinitum]). Males always want to upgrade which is why an ugly guy thinks he can get himself a ‘10’ because he never wants to seek out a woman on his equivalent level of looks and personality, he ALWAYS wants a ‘TEN’ no matter how FUG he is. Males [no matter how hideous in looks and personality] are easily bored with just one woman because they are flighty, overly-emotional and have an ingrained attention deficit disorder (they need lots and lots of attention just like little babies) and they can become easily lost to the fantasy of the BBD (bigger, better deal). Males who could have the chance to cheat on a relationship and not get caught almost NEVER pass up the opportunity. Males are cum spurting opportunists who CHOOSE to have hardly any self-control when it comes to their penile mentalities and thus, they need to be reprimanded and punished on an almost constant basis to be reminded of how dishonest and evil and amoral they truly are as a species.

    Lesson F. Males age horribly because they lack the kind of collagen a woman has therefore they wrinkle deeper, go bald and get hideous guts (if they don’t work-out to fight it) and even develop breasts when their testosterone wanes with middle age. Males over age 40 go strictly downhill from there. Males who even consider themselves “PUAs” at this period in life are a lost cause. Don’t even bother. Any creepy guy at this age trying to employ the tired PUA tricks needs a pepper-spray directly to the eyeballs and a swift kick to the groin. Unfortunately, these are also the most desperate, aggressive, rude, wretched, outright obnoxious assholes because they’ve spent their entire lives ‘gaming’ and are now getting lonely and ancient with absolutely nothing going for them in life except for their refurbished ‘shaggin’ wagon’ and their ‘lonely heart’s club studio apartment’.

    Lesson G. Males who consider themselves PUAs are almost all on the homely/plain/doofus/creepy side, have stunted maturity and have no personality to speak of, are socially retarded and have bizarre mental/emotional issues with complicated homoerotic tendencies which border on the full-blown gay. These are the morons who are always in hot pursuit of the very type of women they love to hate (i.e. women who are players/users just like themselves or alpha women who have often spurned them in the past) which only (disastrously) serves to foster their deep-seated hatred of women and reinforces their warped view of all women as a whole gender. Even when these sad caricatures of ‘manhood’ try to fake ‘technique’ it always looks sort of tragic (like the first haircut you gave one of your Barbie dolls). And their faux confidence is a thin, frail façade which easily cracks under enough feminine pressure to test their real merit (which is always inevitably and irrevocably a big, fat ZERO [even in the negative sphere of blundering losership]). Which brings me to…

    Lesson H. PUA males should be rated in the negative 1 thru 10 because there’s not ONE male who considers himself a ‘PUA’ with ANY redeeming qualities whatsoever.
    So, let’s commence with the rating system:
    -1 = He’s semi-cute and tolerable for a month or two and MAYBE sex.
    -2 = He’s acceptable as a date when there’s nothing better to do but NO sex.
    -3 = He’s painfully inept but adequate enough to dance with at parties or club scenes.
    -4 = He’s annoying and won’t shut up about himself and not even semi-handsome AT ALL.
    -5 = He’s full-on retarded and his fake ‘style’ and pretend ‘confidence’ is a public embarrassment.
    -6 = He’s so ugly, untalented and lacking in the social graces that even his ‘wingmen’ keep their distance.
    -7 = He’s got online porn carpal tunnel syndrome for good reason and he smells weird.
    -8 = He’s in a corner drooling on himself and babbling incoherently about ‘kinos’.
    -9 = He’s so desperate he’s actually considering rape. Run. Don’t walk.
    -10 = Lost cause who should off himself and spare the world.

    Lesson I. PUA males are cheaters, users, liars, fakers, bad actors, socially inept, usually ugly with huge character flaws and emotional/mental abusers. Most aren’t worth the time of day to even communicate with (if you can call conversing with a ‘PUA’ an actual ‘conversation’) because no matter what you’re talking about with them they are essentially using whatever the current topic is to find ways to get your clothes off. If they are actually good looking enough to warrant a one-night stand (if you dare risk the skin-to-skin contact with such sleazy males who usually perform terribly in bed anyway because they have only one sole focus and that is what THEY are getting out of it, not pleasing YOU in any way, shape or form) then, at least you have been forearmed and forewarned. Frankly, these males need to be institutionalized and studied so that future young males can learn from the mistakes of the rotten eggs rather than promoting this disease ridden species and their sad-excuse-for-males ilk.

    http://www.foggybottomline.com/?p=487#comment-1579

    • Some of that is true, but a lot of it is just not. It was funny to read that.

      • Dota

        As Tulio and you have repeatedly said, such men did not exist a generation or 2 ago. Feminism has downgraded the quality of western womanhood and has dragged down the quality of men there too. Feminists complain and insist that men need to ”improve themselves.” None of this improvement has anything to do with character building, morals, values and integrity. In the old arranged marriage system men were mentally prepared for marriage and focused on education and financial responsibility. I’ll say this much for Hindus and Indians in general, no other culture in the world understands the dynamics of heterosexuality better than them. Despite the misery of India, the society there has a solid foundation. Tulio quite correctly pointed out that most females simply do not know how to choose a mate. A Mennonite friend of mine here had his marriage arranged by members of his Church congregation. He’s happily married to a Cambodian woman (who converted) and has a beautiful little daughter. He’s a strong Christian, morally upright, and generous with his charity. He’d be wasted on the Bhabhijis of North America. Yet I’m not allowed to use the ‘G’ word.

        • Gay State Girl

          “Feminism has downgraded the quality of western womanhood and has dragged down the quality of men there too.”

          What possible qualities would you like a woman to possess that you couldn’t possibly create in an iwife?

    • Bhabiji

      “Lesson F. Males age horribly because they lack the kind of collagen a woman has therefore they wrinkle deeper, go bald and get hideous guts (if they don’t work-out to fight it) and even develop breasts when their testosterone wanes with middle age. Males over age 40 go strictly downhill from there. Males who even consider themselves “PUAs” at this period in life are a lost cause. Don’t even bother. Any creepy guy at this age trying to employ the tired PUA tricks needs a pepper-spray directly to the eyeballs and a swift kick to the groin. ”

      LOL!!!!! The exception is black guys. They simply do not age until about 65.

      Hmmm Hershey’s chocolate. Cadbury’s is good too. Steve, are you online? ;)

    • Steve

      shouldn’t that be ‘trolling’ the PUA males (including with this article).

      A fair bit of that is mean spirited, male hating, rubbish, no better than the woman hating stuff. Please tell me you don’t believe half of that stuff, Babhiji?

  7. AlanJ

    Here is a Feminist Joke.

    A loved starved feminist advertises for a boy friend in the local paper.

    The advert states that the man should.

    [1] Man should not beat her.
    [2]. Not run away from her.
    [3] And should be an expert lover.

    Two weeks into ad; there are no takers, and she is despondent. Finally her door bell rings, she sees through the see-hole, opens and sees no one.

    The door bell rings the second time, she again sees no one.

    It rings the third time. and she opens and notices a man with No Hands, and No legs on the door mat with a box of chocolates.

    She asks who he is?

    He replies he is responding to the advert.

    [1] I have no hands, so I cannot beat you,
    [2] I have no legs so I cannot run away from you.

    She asks what about being an expert lover?

    The man replies, I rang the bell didn’t I.

  8. Steve

    I don’t see any female rule over men. what is the female rule over men?

  9. 1. Men can’t help it. It’s right there in the headline! That’s how true it is! Whether they want to or not, men CAN’T stop staring at women. Staring is also referred to later in the article as “unavoidable.” That’s just how male sexuality works! Do you really want men to stop doing something that they can’t stop doing? What’s next—women should stop being really really good at laundry?

  10. Nuno

    Guys, feminism and women’s emancipation are two different things. I don’t care if it is the “good” or the “bad” feminism. But Feminism is a product of the Elite running this world, to separate it into two parts that fight against eachother. It’s called divide and counquer. These “people”, these elite are very smart individuals you see… They created racism too. Thats right you read it well. They created and they feed racism, the world is more racist now than ever before. Albert Pike the founder of the KKK, was a freemason. Prescott Bush (yep George W. Bush’s grandfather), overseed and granted funds to Hitler during his rise to power. So yeah, they created Nazism. Prescott Bush also funded Mussolini and Lenin. So yes, Communism and Fascism. So yeah they created the right conditions for the starting of WWII also… Oh and you don’t have to believe me, just go check it online for legitimate sources, soon you will find them, thats my guarantee.

    But back to Feminism shall we? What we have is not a problem with men, or with women per se. We have a societal problem, we have confused and ill educated individuals. Women have their place in the house and in society, so do men, they have their place in the house and society. Some women want different roles than the norm, others dont. The same goes with men. The problem is that society inst really free. It is a dogmatic pushover system. In other words, they push a single way in which everyone should be living. But guess what, we are all different arent we? Some of us are not going to want to be a part of it. We have diffenent personalities, tastes and dreams. Society should just get out of peoples way, and stop forcing dogmatic and hateful views on everyone. You don’t have to follow those stupid rules. Be who you are, educate yourself, grow as a human being, choose! Then teach others about equality of rights and freedom. Teach them that they can be their own man/woman. I am a man, but I love to cook and experiment with cooking. So I can’t cook for my family? Just because some patriarchal rule says so? Will it make me less of a man? Hell no!! I am who I am, get it? But enough rambling ;D.

    Just my 2 cents
    Nuno,
    Portugal

    • Ishmael

      Nuno

      Your first paragraph takes away from your point in your second paragraph. I hate Illuminati/Zeitgeist bull.

      As for your main point regarding human ‘choice’. I feel that vastly different cultural values tear communities and societies apart.

      Race is a good example. Unless there is a dominant minority, most nations are dominated by a single race. French people in France, Han Chinese in China, etc. Trust me, Scandinavia would not be a welfare state anymore if it’s overpopulated with Arabs.

      Religion could drive people apart – most nations, including America, had a pretty dominant religious group in economic/political control. Anglican England, Catholic Spain, etc.

      Culture is the last. Culture is important because it unites a people that share similar values and identity. People in groups will always target people that step outside the norm – like beating up the feminine boy in grade school or girls making fun of a fat girl. You probably see that work place already, Nuno. I bet that muslim girl with the scarf on is not in the same social circle as the rest of the gals.

      In America, differences in culture are slowly tearing the country apart even more than it did. Different attitudes towards social issues like homosexuality and ‘family values’ (Christian values) causes polarization in Congress and polarization within the population. Smart politicians tie social issues with economics – extreme capitalism and bible thumpers work wonders, place race in the mix and you got a political party.

      Feminism is good and bad. It’s good because it allows women to work, and provided they’re masculine enough, they can reach positions in power (meaning girly girls will not be up there compared to bitchy ones. Most successful women in business are bitchy and ugly). I believe women should work and should have the power to be independent.

      On the flip side, birth control gives women the power to mate with whoever they want without repercussions. So they can be picky, like men are. It also emasculates the traditional role of men, that’s why many men in their 30s play video games and live with Mom. It also creates friction within men, since women are so hard to come by. Most importantly, birth control and the media promote extreme licentious behavior, therefore ruining productivity, causing divorce (60%) making it bad for children and changing the message of marriage from making children to providing pleasure.

      That’s why religion and cultures has social codes. To curb people’s animalistic desire to fuck everyone. Without respect for social order, society becomes like Botswana or 16 and pregnant.

      Long response, and I went off topic. But good thread.

      • Bhabiji

        “It also emasculates the traditional role of men, that’s why many men in their 30s play video games and live with Mom. ”

        And would you believe Indian people use this as a “see, even Amreekans are adopting Indian culture. Beddy, beddy good!”

        • Ishmael

          Hah

          It’s not only an indian thing though – Italians do it too. Same with arabs.

          It’s a very ‘Nordic’ thing to go out and be independent. They are less…attached, shall we say.

          http://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-blog/mammoni-good-men-or-lazy-asses/

        • Bhabiji

          Ishmael I’ve already covered that. While there are cultures with more mama’s boys than others, the living with your parents your entire life, EVEN AFTER marriage is a South Asian thing. Italians don’t do that. Italian men move out when they get married, and often before.

          Arabs, yes there are Arabs that still do that but from experience in the Arab world it is less so than South Asia.

        • Bhabiji

          Ishmael, an article about your Italian mama’s boys and why women don’t find them desirable. (duh!)

          http://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-blog/mammoni-good-men-or-lazy-asses/

        • Look this is a gigantic lie. Italian men and women both have traditionally not moved out of the parental home until they got married. The women are not moving out either last time I checked. There is nothing new here. If they are Mama’s boys now, they have always been Mama’s boys. Besides, I don’t think Italian men even area Mama’s boys. They are extremely masculine and macho. It’s just Westerners, especially Western cunts, who think they are Mama’s boys. In the West, we think a guy who still lives at home is a Mama’s boy. But that’s not the view in the rest of the world. They don’t see him that way at all, and the truth is he is not, and he is still very masculine and very macho.

          Living at home forever in one way or another is more or less traditional in many societies and there is no evidence that it has ever been detrimental to masculinity or produced Mama’s boys. In the past, if anything, we had way too much masculinity and too few Mama’s boys.

          They’re not attractive to American CUNTS! Italian women don’t care one way or the other and of course they don’t consider them Mama’s boys. You’re reading your Western mind bullshit into an international situation you have no understanding of again, just like you always do.

        • Dota

          “Living at home forever in one way or another is more or less traditional in many societies and there is no evidence that it has ever been detrimental to masculinity or produced Mama’s boys.”

          Exactly Robert. I can’t speak for Italians, but another thing that AP fails to realize is that in Indian culture children continue living with their parents because it is their duty (dharma) to care for their parents in their old age. In fact, its a debt that must be repaid for the nurturing they received in childhood. It takes a remarkable degree of self sacrifice and character for a man to balance the needs of his spousal relationship with the needs of his parents as well. The Ramayan story of Shravan Kumar clearly illustrates the strong character of a man whose only dying wish was that his (accidental) murderer bring some water to his thirsty parents. I’m not advocating this system to be clear, all I’m saying is that it is not the 2 dimensional black and white caricature that bhabhi would have us believe. Like a typical NRI (non resident Indian) bhabi has parroted some Hindu buzzwords but fails to understand the actual social dynamics of a society populated by very real human agents.

        • Bhabiji

          ” in Indian culture children continue living with their parents because it is their duty (dharma) to care for their parents in their old age.”

          OLD AGE. Not middle age when they are healthy, working and earning.

          Besides, why does this “dharma” go only in one direction. Desi dudes never talk about this “dharma” in relation to their wives’ duty to HER parents, its all about his.

          Fucking hypocrites.

          BOBBY, what makes you think “macho” guys can’t also simultaneously be mama’s boys?

        • Of course no macho guy can ever be a Mama’s boy. They are contradictions. A Mama’s boy is a wimp first and foremost in the male view. The idea that macho guys are Mama’s guys comes from women, Western CUNTS. Most men really don’t care if a man is close to his mother or not. After all, you go to prison, and all the hardest ass inmates in there have Mom tatooed on their arms. And they all say that they love their mothers! They hate their fathers, sure. And when they get released, many go straight home to the Mom’s house, because she will take them in.

          Really, men don’t care how attached a man is to his mother. No one cares. What matters is masculinity. Women in general, and especially Western CUNTS, are completely bent out of shape on the whole idea of “guys being too close to their mothers,” Momma’s boys, and all that shit. It’s female thinking, cunt thinking. I don’t think that REAL MEN should buy into this cunt hatred of a man’s mother as some competitor or whatever.

        • Steve

          I think the mama’s boy thing is a bit of a non-issue to men. Most men are perfectly comfortable with loving their mum.

          The only girls to ever tease me in that way were Mauritian Hindu girls. It did annoy me. Not because I was ashamed of being close to my mum but because they were dissing my masculinity. At the same time I felt that the implication wasn’t true that being close to your mum detracts from your masculinity. I thought ‘yeah I love my mum, so what?’

          Men know deep down that their mum is the one who really loves them unconditionally and it matters to them. Often men’s mums have helped them through a lot too. I remember a tough guy ex drug dealer, who was described to me as an animal when it came to fighting, told me that his dad was a bastard who mistreated him but him mum was his ‘angel’.

          You get black thugs and gangsters who are fiercely devoted to their mothers who brought them up alone. Also, Lennox Lewis, the ex heavyweight champion of the world (baddest man on the planet), was always seen with his mum and known to be close to her.

          Drop the mam’s boy thing girls. We don’t care. Jealous or something?

          I guess its supposed to imply a a little boy who goes crying to his mum or something but we are men and we love our mum. Get over it. It doesn’t mean shit about shit. :-D

        • Steve

          *helped us through a lot or stuck by us through a lot

      • Nuno

        Ishmael,

        I completely understand your point of view, and frankly that is part of what I believe in also. As for the first paragraph thing, well it wasnt zeitgeist or Illuminati BS. I did my own research, both on the internet, and on the historical facts, in the library. So I know my stuff. We need rules and norms, I am with you on that, but we, human beings, should be educated that it is normal when someone steps out of the norm you see? We will always try and hit the guy or gal who is different, but we should be educated not to. By our parents, but guess what, mom and dad are working all day, and the kids barely see or talk with them. So who do you think is going to educate them? Teachers? They’re powerless. Other kids will, through the law of the jungle. And guess what is going to be their “God”, TV, thats right, that is all they have when they come home from school. TV is terrible for kids. You got guys on their 30′s in their homes, both because they are not married, but also because they have no job, saw too much TV, was probably bullied in school and no one cared. And they are either too unsensitive to hear their life’s calling or they havent received their calling yet. Well life is complicated, but if we respected one another, this planet would be a better place.

        jm2c,
        Nuno

        • Ishmael

          I’m with you with the Golden Rule.

          But morality is subjective. That’s why religion, or the state, must set some standard. And progressives can be very similar to religion when it comes to deciding right from wrong.

  11. Bhabiji

    “The women don’t sleep around that much because they think that’s slutty.
    The women don’t try to be men. Instead they are very feminine. The men are extremely masculine, and there is little wimpiness or homosexuality. Traditional sex roles! The men are in charge, but the women like it that way. Both sexes are extremely happy. This society works because it’s not feminist-wrecked yet.”

    Its common to romanticise cultures we are not part of looking in on them from the outside. If you were a “Hispanic” living in the thick of Hispanic culture and relationships dynamics its a whole other ball of wax.

    And by the way, in NY and Miami latinas have the most what you would call “slutty” reputation.

    • Ishmael

      Suburban Latinos are extremely family oriented and their children do very well.

      The fresh off the boat El Salvarian/Puerto Rican types are not a good model. Most Cubans are quite traditional, however.

      • Bhabiji

        “Suburban Latinos are extremely family oriented”

        Most Latinos are “family oriented” regardless of class or neighborhood. That does not exclude sluttiness.

  12. equality is a lie, femini$$m is radical by definition, femini$$m is fascism-sexism worse than racism!

  13. @ tulio and Bay Area Guy
    On the flip side, I have personally known a number of American virgin men in the late 20s who have the attitude “supermodel or nothing”. For the bits and pieces I observed, I don’t think that online dating profiles are representative of what women are really looking for, since online dating itself is an outlier (for people who have moderate to low success in the real world).
     
    Moreover, contrary to the folk wisdom often passed around, the less attractive a woman is, the higher her ‘standards’ seem to go, as if by showing her pickiness, she somehow compensates for her own lack of attractiveness (“I can afford to be picky, because I am all that”).
     
    Perhaps what the western world needs is dating and relationship classes for men and women alike, because the western world switched from a feudal culture to a free market one without creating the kind of courting ‘fail safe’ present in tribal societies.

    • Bhabiji

      “For the bits and pieces I observed, I don’t think that online dating profiles are representative of what women are really looking for, since online dating itself is an outlier (for people who have moderate to low success in the real world).”

      Not in the US. Online dating is the mainstream norm, not an outlier for losers.

      • ‘Loser’ isn’t the word I’d use. People who date online, even in the United States are people who have had relatively low success in mainstream dating; which could be because of a host of reasons that might (or might not) have anything to do with how they are as a person.
         
        Generally though, I observed that women who put up a very long laundry list in their online dating profiles aren’t in the upper spectrum of female attractiveness. They are either ageing, overweight, have some physical or personality flaws. It is perhaps a manifestation of the female version of short man’s syndrome, a 30 year old ageing and overweight woman trying to look better by showing that she ‘can afford to be picky’.
         
        In the real world, an average looking woman is far more likely to level a charge of sexual harassment or molestation against a man than a very attractive one (who is used to male attention and doesn’t feel a need to negatively advertise). She is also more likely to blather about how desirable, hot or ‘exotic’ she is (much to the chagrin of the males around).
         
        And for the record, just because some social trend ‘the norm’ in United States doesn’t mean it is the norm by human standard.

        • Xera

          “Generally though, I observed that women who put up a very long laundry list in their online dating profiles aren’t in the upper spectrum of female attractiveness. They are either ageing, overweight, have some physical or personality flaws. It is perhaps a manifestation of the female version of short man’s syndrome, a 30 year old ageing and overweight woman trying to look better by showing that she ‘can afford to be picky’”

          Correction, most women that are online fit the above criteria and are there in the dating sites because those characteristics are what brought them there. The demands of the above women are, at least in the U.S where I actually live, the exact same template that most attractive women use as a checklist for who to sleep with during the day. It’s unlikely that attractive women in the U.S will sleep with an overweight guy, no matter how much “game” he spits OR an Asian/South East Asian guy due to their low social status and small endowed Chink characteristics. I don’t think you should be lecturing other men on game and what women do/don’t want AI, since the best you could probably get is a 5 or 6 since Asian males are on bottom of the male attractiveness charts across the entire world.

          “In the real world, an average looking woman is far more likely to level a charge of sexual harassment or molestation against a man than a very attractive one (who is used to male attention and doesn’t feel a need to negatively advertise). She is also more likely to blather about how desirable, hot or ‘exotic’ she is (much to the chagrin of the males around).”

          Incorrect, one needs to simply look at rape charges and statistics in the U.S to know how an “average” women “thinks”. For example, a black athlete, probably a male that’s in the upper echelons of male attractiveness far above that of Indo-Chink hybridization, was recently leveled with rape charges by an attractive looking female. There was no substantial evidence of any sort of rape but the man was still charged for a reason most can guess why. Attractive women regularly commit rape charges, especially against males of high social status; one needs to simply look at charges made againt’s Mike Tyson or a recent good looking white male porn star (forgot his name) who was also arrested on flimsy grounds. If anything, any accusation of rape or uptight behavior from any “average female” is just an aggregate societal spillover from the upper echelons of females in the western world as a reaction to certain behaviors of high status males here. Also remember that attractive women have other options as well such as marrying beta males OR high status males, for financial gain or money and if either option fails, said attractive women can just use rape charges to get what she wants. When the vast array of options that are available to attractive women get closed or denied, they resort to drastic measures where rape charges are shown with propensity.

          “And for the record, just because some social trend ‘the norm’ in United States doesn’t mean it is the norm by human standard.”

          Actually I would rather be 6.0 and above, built, rugged, tall, independent, masculine, good looking, all traits of a male that is healthy but also well-endowed. This is something of a demand and first thing first for the majority of attractive females in the Western world and I wouldn’t be surprised if these are universally desired traits in males. This “trend” is just a hyper exaggeration and over-demand of traits a female desires in a male, so it has some value in its semblance in what women desire in men. Luckily I just happen to fit the above criteria and many ways and only few cases not. Unfortunately this is not the case for the VAST majority of Asian males, South East Asian males, and heck even Indian males, so I understand why you might “disagree” with “trends” and how you really don’t fit the above criteria Atheist Indian.

        • Steve

          “She is also more likely to blather about how desirable, hot or ‘exotic’ she is (much to the chagrin of the males around).”

          I don’t think I’ve ever heard a woman in real life going on about how hot and desirable she is or telling people how beautiful she is. I haven’t got the best memory in the world but I can’t even imagine it.

        • @ Steve
          “I don’t think I’ve ever heard a woman in real life going on about how hot and desirable she is or telling people how beautiful she is.”
          I have. They don’t say things like “I am beautiful” which might be shot down, but blather on and on about their dating repertoire and exaggerate the attentions of other men to more romantic/sexual connotations (misreading a man’s courtesy as a sexual signal in some cases). It might be an Indian thing though, since I find that Indians, like the Arabs and North Africans are poor on judging the subtle cues in inter-gender communication.

    • Bhabiji

      “Perhaps what the western world needs is dating and relationship classes for men and women alike, because the western world switched from a feudal culture to a free market one without creating the kind of courting ‘fail safe’ present in tribal societies.”

      What’s the “courting fail safe” in tribal societies?

      If you are under the impression that “west” went from feudal, patriarchal and arranged marriage to the hook up culture over night or over a few decades you are wrong. There has been a gradually progression from that until now. The very general trajectory has been: arranged marriage, to chapeoroned courtships, to unchaporoned virginal dating, to “going steady” but without sex, to “going steady” with sex, to hook up.

      Whats the dating, relationship and marriage scene like in your 7 Sisters State?

      • Explaining the dating/courting dynamics of the 200 or so ethnicities that reside in NE India would fill books. If I sum it up for most tribes, tribal cultures hold the bar of responsibility on both genders, not just men.

        • Bhabiji

          What does “dating” and “courtship” look like in your family and social circle? Are the families nuclear or joint? Is premarital sex shamed, encouraged or viewed neutrally. When women become pregnant without being married, what happens?

    • Bay Area Guy

      Perhaps what the western world needs is dating and relationship classes for men and women alike

      Yes, such classes should be taught as an elective at high school, or even as a GE course in college.

      Frankly, they would be far more useful than the language classes required at high school.

      (which, frankly, by then the overwhelming majority of American kids could care less about, simply do what’s needed to get the grade they need, and then a year later gladly forget everything they’ve learned. If you want Americans to learn more languages, you have to start at a VERY early age, but I digress)

      Useless art classes could also be replaced by classes on how to date/communicate with the opposite sex.

      • Xera

        I don’t think dating classes will really make a difference except for males. Females understand what they want and they desire it on a primal level, they want the masculine guys every time regardless of what they tell you. If anything, genetically engineering the mast majority of males in America will simply erase their dating problems in a heart beat.

        • Bhabiji

          “I don’t think dating classes will really make a difference except for males. Females understand what they want and they desire it on a primal level, they want the masculine guys every time regardless of what they tell you.”

          This is why men who fail to individuate from the parental home and live with their parents after marriage, as is the case in South Asian cultures, are unattractive to women the world over, and including in their countries.

          At a primal level a woman wants to see her man carve is own way in life, not live under the thumb of his parents, allowing them to make all the decisions, up to and including who he should marry and where he should live after marriage.

      • “Useless art classes could also be replaced by classes on how to date/communicate with the opposite sex.”
        I think dating and art classes could exist side-by-side. I am for art classes up to a certain grade, since it helps a lot of youngsters who are otherwise unaware of their artistic talents, to ‘come out’, so to speak. I didn’t know I was good at music till I started taking music classes in my high school.
         
        Dating classes are of course, essential. However I wonder if dating classes are mainlined in school courses, would they teach men what women actually want? Or would they fall into the same old PC bullshit, ‘be a nice, caring guy and you will get the woman of your dreams’.
         
        As for language classes, I am yet to meet a person who actually gained any working fluency in a language from high school classes alone.

        • Steve

          Maybe they should start teaching from a younger age then. In England, nobody gains fluency from senior school classes (11-16). It takes you to the end of intermediate level. I could barely say anything in French after five years of (ignoring) French classes.

          I visited a school in Slovenia though and the 14 year old kids there were highly conversant in both English and German!

          Partly this is because Slovenia is a little country and they feel the need to learn other major languages, while the English are Europe’s foreign language morons but have the least need to learn one.

          Partly it is also because the British education system isn’t great.

        • Gay State Girl

          Dating classes would go over teenagers’ heads, though it could be sneaked into the curriculum of another class.

          However, I would have appreciated seminars on business literacy, communications, technology, and job training.

        • Steve

          what the hell would they teach in dating classes? And why would the kids listen?

          “Dating classes are of course, essential. However I wonder if dating classes are mainlined in school courses, would they teach men what women actually want? Or would they fall into the same old PC bullshit, ‘be a nice, caring guy and you will get the woman of your dreams’.”

          Essential :-O why? What do you want them to teach? Game? lol

        • Gay State Girl

          “Essential :-O why? What do you want them to teach? Game? lol”

          Not a bad idea. Street etiquette could be useful for students in suburban or rural areas. Could lower the unemployment rate, if nothing else :)

      • Aakash

        No

        Instead of dating classes, they need mating classes. Start at age 16 for both guys and girls. Make it a pre-requisite for getting into college. Safe sex need to be practiced and not just preached.

        • Steve

          They have mating classes. Its called sex education. And they do it at 10 or 11 in England now I believe.

        • Steve

          or do you want them to teach how to go down on a lady? :-O

        • Gay State Girl

          No, I think he was referring to the real deal. Not just a preview. Not a bad idea, because something is no longer taboo, let alone mandatory, it kills the appeal.

  14. AlanJ

    Back in grad school several decades ago, I was having a discussion about dating, marraige with a chinese lab mate of mine in China.

    He said this to effect. In China, you like her, you just go and pick her up.

  15. namae nanka

    “I am an equity feminist. I am not a gender feminist.”

    IOW you are in Christina Hoff Sommers’s camp and not in Dworkin’s camp?

    read and weep

    http://wombatty.blogtownhall.com/2012/05/14/early_feminists_moderate_or_radical.thtml

  16. Bhabiji

    I read in some high schools they are adding curriculum to raise awareness about dating violence because appearantly in some areas it has become a serious issue. That’s sad.

    Navigating relationships is something that ideally should be taught by the parents, but sadly parents don’t even know how to navigate their own relationships.

    Someone in Kolkata was going to open up a Kama Sutra College but it never got off the ground. Hmmm…. I wonder why.

    • Gay State Girl

      Rich western kids could keep it in business (note to Hacienda: I exclude East Asians because they could see through the BS.) It would be no more inane than the BS degrees that they are currently enrolled in. You could combine instruction with voluntourism and excursions.

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