Steve writes:
Is it creepy if an unattractive girl shows interest in a guy? When you think about it like that, it just seems…unkind.
Calling a guy creepy if he just showed interest but didn’t really do anything wrong – it’s just unkind. Its sort of nasty. That’s my take on that.
On the other hand, if a guy is really full on, if he acts or speaks inappropriately to a woman to the point where she feels uncomfortable or scared, then calling him creepy is more justifiable.
This is exactly my opinion.
Anyway, from my point of view, if a woman is not showing any interest in me, disdaining me, ignoring me or whatever (which happens all the time) I certainly won’t approach her! I am not an idiot!
I am extremely conservative about how I approach women in part because I am terrified of being called creepy! So you see calling men names like that is very inhibiting and results in a puritanical society where people are uptight and inhibited and afraid to express themselves sexually in a free, liberated and uninhibited manner. Seeing how I go to some pretty extreme lengths to not be called creepy, I take this shit pretty personally.
On the other hand is it creepy for men to whistle at women or blow them kisses or whatever? Maybe not. Black men act aggressive like this to women all the time. You go to Italy and the men are very forward. I don’t necessarily consider that creepy. Those are just men who are being pretty aggressive and forward. I don’t normally do it myself, but I don’t necessarily think it’s evil. Women should just ignore it and move on.
I live with a bunch of Hispanics. The less assimilated Hispanics are extremely relaxed about sex. The men are all wild horndogs, and the women are comfortable with that. They just think that all men are naturally pigs and ignore them most of the time. It’s perfectly normal for males to be pretty aggressive about how they look at or talk to women. If the women don’t like it, they just ignore them.
But the women look at men a lot too and even flirt with them. There’s a lot of open, healthy sexual expression going on, and to me it’s very normal and uninhibited. Hispanic society is healthy like this because it’s a patriarchy and hasn’t been feminist-wrecked yet.
Less assimilated Hispanic society doesn’t have much use for words like “creepy.” You never really hear those women describing men using a word like that. As the Hispanic women get more Americanized, they start using male-shaming words like that.
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jacobbauthumley
“Creepy” is also code for “a guy who tries to approach women, but has no game/isn’t an alpha male.”
“Creepy” is Woman Speak for “An Unattractive Man Who Shows Interest In Me”
Deal with it. Its called sexual selection and it propels both men and women toward self-improvement and progress. Otherwise we stagnate.
NO! I will not deal with it. Sure, in any normative patriarchal society, men will compete ferociously for the best women. This is proper and normal. The best or most high status men will get the best women. That’s the sexual marketplace in a nutshell. Normal, patriarchal, not sick, evil, feminist societies do not shower shit on low status who attempt to compete for females. All males are allowed to compete for females in any way they want to. There’s no shunning or shaming of low status who attempt to compete for females or realize their sexual desires. The best women simply ignore the low status males and choose the high status ones instead. As things sort out, mid status males get mid status females and low status males get low status females. There’s no shaming of men like these diabolical feminist whores do. There’s no shaming of men period in a proper patriarchy. And in patriarchy, there are no losers or incels either. Every man gets a woman. Some get a better woman, and others get a lesser woman, but it all shakes out in the end.
It’s not normal sexual competition for females to shame low status males and call them “creeps” for acting like normal males. No tribal society does this, and no historical civilization has ever done such a thing. This is a modern society innovation which is what is typically expected in any matriarchy. Mass female hypergamy and lots of incel type losers hanging around wanking it or whatever. VERY unhealthy.
Matriarchies are evil and all attempts at female rule end at Hobbesian Hellish nightmare societies. Females are simply not capable of ruling any human society anywhere. Our ancestors knew this and wisely never allowed female rule.
Bobby, you are sounding like an MRA nutcase now. Please don’t try and say that the Colorado killing spree was because the Feminazi leaders in our Fascist Matriarchy prevented this poor boy from getting laid, like they are. You know damn well US is not a matriarchy. Don’t go off the deep end, you will lose clout.
Sexual selection means males display and females choose. This is right and good and propels civilization forward. Self improvement is the perogative of every human, unless you believe in “fate” and pre-determinism like the Inshallah wallas.
In that case there is nothing I can do to help you because resignation to fate results in stagnation and stagnation results in deevolution and demise.
If you are truly interested in improving, I am flying into California later this summer on route to Indonesia. If you wish, we can meet and I can teach you some things.
Bhabiji, I’m willing to wager a bet that you’re in your 20′s.
@ Bhabiji
Just curious, what could YOU possibly teach us?
“Just curious, what could YOU possibly teach us?”
Why the YOU instead of “you”? I’m trained in techniques that help ocd, add, and other things. Why? You need help?
Why the YOU instead of “you”?
Well, since you were proclaiming yourself to be some kind of expert in this regard, well, I just couldn’t help but be a bit curious with regards to what special expertise you in particular could offer.
Hence the emphasis on “you.”
And no, I don’t need your help.
@ Bhabiji
“Sexual selection means males display and females choose.”
Thats a Hindu Swayamvar. not sexual marketplace as it operates in the real world. If men didn’t choose, the multi-billion dollar cosmetic/looks industry wouldn’t have existed. For Indians, add ‘personality development’ classes to the mix.
Men choose too of course, human courtship and mating rituals are more complex than that of a peacock and peahen. Men display and chase women whom their attracted to and then those women choose from amongst the suitors whom they want. The point I’m getting at is there is open competition and competition is healthy
If it weren’t for feminism, women wouldn’t have to be dealing with “creeps”.
So feminism creates “creeps” — by emasculating men perhaps? Is “creep” a code-word for a feminized man?
No, “creep” is a code word for guys who are not alpha males. In other words, if they’re even slightly awkward when it comes to talking to women, or unattractive.
For example, I recently saw some crime show on Spike TV that had a brief scene featuring some sexual harassment. The perpetrator was a semi-obese white guy (played by Wayne Knight, the same actor who plays Newman on Seinfeld), who was hitting on this attractive white woman.
Of course, the implication was unmistakable. If you’re not a good looking guy or an alpha male when it comes to game, you had best not talk to attractive women.
“Of course, the implication was unmistakable. If you’re not a good looking guy or an alpha male when it comes to game, you had best not talk to attractive women.”
6 of one half dozen of another. You are shaming women for selecting for attractive men and in the same sentence validating men for selecting for attractive women. You did not write, “had best not talk to women”, you wrote, “had best not talk to ATTRACTIVE women.”
The bottom line is that humans are attracted to who they are attracted to and will welcome attention from those whom they are attracted to.
This is natural sexual selection. You’re beef is not with women, its with nature.
Consider the case of a male from a foreign, less feminized culture who does not meet the attractiveness norm for “alpha” in the US, but who hits on women anyway. Are ugly yet confident Europeans and Latinos “creepy” if they hit on an American woman? I suspect not, or at least not in the same emasculating way.
PS I think there is probably a lot of correlation between what it takes to be thought of as “creepy” and those likely to engage in hover-hand.
@ BAG
If I had a daughter, I wouldn’t want a filthy Jew like Wayne Knight anywhere near her.
“Consider the case of a male from a foreign, less feminized culture who does not meet the attractiveness norm for “alpha” in the US, but who hits on women anyway. Are ugly yet confident Europeans and Latinos “creepy” if they hit on an American woman? I suspect not, or at least not in the same emasculating way.”
John R, South Asian males are notoriously known as “creeps” by women world wide.
But are they the same kind of creep as the self-consciously inadequate & inhibited American omega-man? (Perhaps Charleton Heston made that term too cool…)
“John R, South Asian males are notoriously known as “creeps” by women world wide.”
Put this in the exception. I don’t think that kind of creepiness is what Robert Lindsay here was talking about.
Hindu cultures and their practice of organised social hierarchy turns men (and women) into oddballs. I mean, what patriarchal culture in the world feminises men the way Hinduism does?
Atheist Indian, “Hindu cultures and their practice of organised social hierarchy turns men (and women) into oddballs. I mean, what patriarchal culture in the world feminises men the way Hinduism does?”
Agreed.
John R. yes. There are pages after pages on “yahoo answers” of people asking why Indian men are such creepers.
They leave India thinking they are going to get paid and get laid and do all kinds of weird things to and around women all over the globe! They are also notorious in the PUA lair scene. Take a stroll through some PUA blogs and forums and see what other men have to say about Indian men. Its not just the women who are complaining.
I feel for them. They need help.
So basically you blame women for not being attracted to physically repulsive men…all the while demanding that attractive consider you? How hypocritical is that seriously? If you want to blame someone don’t blame women for preferring good looking guys, blame the culture that has convinced almost every plain or ugly guys that they each deserve their own special beautiful girl that have eyes only for them. You don’t want a woman, you want some kind of robot/android thing that looks like a (beautiful) woman that has been programmed to find you attractive, because that’s the only way an attractive looking woman would be attracted to you. I think you know that deep down so you hate attractive women instead of realizing the blame lies with yourself.
Julie
“So feminism creates “creeps” — by emasculating men perhaps? Is “creep” a code-word for a feminized man?”
I wasn’t thinking of it from that angle but you have a point there.
Feminism has turned women into whores. Even some of the more modest women out there are more whorish than the average woman 50+ years ago. So women have lost the respect they got from men pre-feminism. In the old days, men would court women and he needed her father’s approval to marry her. People didn’t date. Nowadays there are people who date and date for years or even decades and never get married. That’s part of the reason why Western birthrates are so low.
The problem is not women preferring attractive, confident, and/or successful men. It’s the note of false superiority and moral judgment implied in deciding that unattractive men are “creepy” merely because they dare to try.
Wow the day has arrived when I get quoted at the start of a post and he agrees with me! And it tastes sweet lol
Hi Steve-
This is interesting (from etymonline)-
creep:
O.E. creopan “to creep” (class II strong verb; past tense creap, pp. cropen), from P.Gmc. *kreupanan, from PIE base *greug-. Noun use for “despicable person” is 1935, Amer.Eng. slang, perhaps from earlier sense of “sneak thief” (1914). Creeper “a gilded rascal” is recorded from c.1600, and the word also was used of certain classes of thieves, esp. those who robbed customers in brothels. The creeps first attested 1849, in Dickens.
If “creepy” is woman speak for “unnattractive man who shows interest in me” its a much more benign and benevolent word than what men call aging, fat, unattractive women who show interest in them.
You should be grateful that “creepy” is all we’re calling you. We could hurl you with the insults reserved for unattractive women.
There’s nothing benevolent about “creep”. It’s a condemnation that goes way further simply implying disinterest on the women’s part.
I would recommend a “make-over” in your case, but it probably wouldn’t work because you seem to lack self-confidence, e.g., “no game”. Just watch this video about men like you:
Banned.