PISA Scores and Religiously Sanctioned Little Girl Sex Slaves

Click to enlarge. Read it and weep. Is there a connection. A society with the lowest PISA scores in a recent study also sanctions the forced sex slave prostitution of little girls in a religious ceremony presided over by a religious priest. Does ignorance = depravity?

Click to enlarge. Little girl sex slaves, sanctioned by Hinduism, incredibly enough.

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98 responses to “PISA Scores and Religiously Sanctioned Little Girl Sex Slaves

  1. Bay Area Guy

    And this is going to be the next superpower, eh?

    *shudders at thought*

  2. Trafal

    This is nothing new. Amy Carmichael, a famous missionary, fought many battles with the temple priests concerning this deplorable and disgusting custom.
    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=14664432
    I thought this practice had been outlawed but perhaps not.

  3. Bay Area Guy

    Crazy, and yet American educational bureaucratic retards want us to emulate this shithole’s rote learning based educational system.

    • Jaipal

      @Bay Area Guy,

      Actually, all learning at some level is rote-based only.
      Rote-learning has its advantages actually. Its not all bad.

      In India, the problem is there is too much corruption in government
      schools which doesn’t help in teaching. Add to that an indisciplined
      teachers union that acts as a vote-bank for corrupt politicians!
      These are the basic reasons for the problems. There is nothing
      wrong with Indians’ capacity to learn as such. The environment is
      simply poor.

  4. IndianMan-Brahmin

    According to chandopadhya Upanishad–A Dalit must offer her body to Brahmin to Cure her Sin that was casted upon her In her past life

    the only noble way is to become prostitute–Upanishad even preaches us the ways to have intercourse.

    If you visit any Indian temple there will be lot of Sexual Depictions of Gods and Goddess on Temple outlets

    This basically means any one who offers or Offered her body to GOD or The messenger of GOD–Brahmin /Vyshya/Kshatriya will be pardoned from Sins and may be given Birth with a Lighter Skin tone and to a Brahmin man

    This is not all–

    According to Brahma Purana–Lord Brahma created his Wife from a Pot of his own semen, and Had intercourse with her(Which is incest in reality)–this is the origin of Human race according to Hindu Scripts.

    Earlier before Hinduism is reformed by Raja ram mohan roy– There used to be a custom in which Every Hindu women must Fornicate with entire Husbands family

    This is basically done for one reason–If husband dies an unnatural death, Wife belongs to Brother-In-Law,If her husbands family has no Male Figure, she must become wife of her father -in-law

    If nothing works she must become a family Dasi–Which means she must serve sexual favors of entire family and in return her husbands family will take care of her.

    India followed such customs for many years, None of modern hindu charlatans (Often Dalits ) know this or have read this, because most of these useful idiots can read sanskrit.

    Mr.Robert, you completely mistaken about one thing.Most JAI HIND idiots are not Brahmins, neither they can talk absolutely about certain Hindu texts

    Most of these idiots dont know that the religion which they acclaim calls them degenerate filth.

    These people have no history, neither they have any common shared past, they have no past , no history–They were perennial slaves.

    Highly insecure, Any word of praise will make you a God in their Eyes and even a single Curse will make them detest you vehemently

    Now in modern India–These insecure Dalits cant take criticism, they were granted Entry into Hindu religion and they boast about some accomplishments of Brahmins and feel good about their miserable existence

    But after all reservations, these Dalits cant accomplish anything other than Becoming useful idiots or Converted Christians

    Such is the state of modern Dalit in Inida–No shared history, No past,No achievement, Living for One word of Praise from anyone who is from Upper caste.

    If White man praises Dalit , thats his happiest day–If White women touches Dalit , thats his heaven–and she rejects him.

    He would kill any WHITE WOMEN -for not Accepting him, as she had flamed his Insecurities

    Just Search for Cognizant Employee Pawan kumar who killed WHITE AMERICAN girl for refusing to sleep with him

    India is full of these Dalits–Brahmins constiute only 4.5 Percent of Total Indian population

    Its Dalit majority over 78 percent of people in India are Dalits , who have no past , no achievement and nothing to feel good about.

    You can understand how insecure and how intolerant these Dalits are

    Recently a Dalit cheif minister has built her status across the state–She decorates herself with Garland of Rupee notes

    She Flies in Private Jet to do shopping in Mumbai, she generally uses one color of Sandals every single day–Every new day she needs new pair of Shoes

    She is 50 year old spinster , highly insecure .-

    Same goes with another DALIT cheif minister of Bengal–

    Modern India is full of Insecure , under achieving ,self praising, Intolerant Dalits

    • AlanJ

      IndianMan-Brahmin:

      Your Madrassa has started; please go back; It is Chandogya Upanishad and not chandopadhya Upanishad or whatever shit you spew.

      Proof of the pudding is in the eating; You will find out June 2014.

      “Let me take you far away in the night, on a NIGHTMARE”

      Meet Lord Yama. The only TRUE BRAHMIN

      • IndianMan-Brahmin

        Lord Yama is a son of Brahma, So moron hindu Supremacist like you will never acknowledge the reality while Nation has become a Cesspit of filth

        Brahminism is out burst Cult of Zorastrianism and Greek pantheon Cult .

        From the Story of Indra to the Story of Krishna and sissu pala everything is copy cat like todays bollywood movies

        Well, a Land of Overhyped Chaprasis can only copy and self praise themselves.

        • Jake

          So, basically all of these stories are ripoff-s of ancient Greek legends and Persian legends, which are further rip-offs of Ancient Egyptian lore, why didn’t these “Brahmins” mass exterminate and genocide these “lower classes” if they posed so much filth, garbage, and damage? You “Brahmins” came from Anatolia, Iran (I am guessing?) and the Southern Russia, why couldn’t you guys just slaughter the filth if just a few of you tribes manage to conquer an entire continent?

        • Jaipal

          @Jake,

          Its the other way around. Brahmins are natives of India like
          other Indians. The Ind0-Europeans originated in India and
          and expanded westwards to Iran and Anatolia!!
          It was your ass that was conquered and exterminated!

        • Jaipal

          @jake,

          The Vedic mythology is actually the closest to the Proto-Indo-European culture than other Ind0-European traditions like the
          greek or Iranian. This is because India was the original homeland
          of IE peoples, some of whom simply expanded westwards towards Europe
          and the Middle-East! There is no ripping off on our part.
          Elements of our Vedic culture fused with local traditions outside of India.
          Therefore, its the other way around!

        • Jaipal

          @Indian Brahmin Man,

          Your just a fuckin Paki Muslim troll spouting nonsense here.
          The number of mistakes in your above write-up is so appaling
          to anyone who knows the facts! But you are good for a laugh
          on occasion.

  5. Barani

    Indian Man Brahmin is a fake

    He wrote that the Chief minister of West Bengal is a Dalit

    Thats impossible. Her name is Bannerji , which is a brahmin surname

    This Dalit girl incident happened in South India
    The temple goddess is Uligamma, a Dravidian goddess,
    The temple has goat sacrifice

    Brahmins in general and South Indian Brahmins in particular are vegetarian and dont even enter Dravidian goddess temples with animal sacrifice
    The priests in these temples are from lower castes. Very often a dalit sub-caste
    There are specific dalit-sub-castes that act as priests in these temples and sacrifice goats and buffaloes and chickens to the Dravidian goddess.
    No brahmin is involved in this temple.

    There is sanskritic Hinduism that has brahmin priests and non-sanskritic, pre-Aryan tantric cults that have lower caste priests

    In mainstream Hindu temples, it is only a few decades since Dalits were allowed in, and no mainstream Hindu temple, run by brahmins would allow Dalit rituals like these goat sacrifices and prostitution

    Regarding PISA scores, there were very deliberate sampling errors,

    The sampling was very minimal and was 1 / 50 th of the sampling in Latin American countries

    such as 80% of the sample consisted of linguistic minorities
    The local linguistic majority scored 40 points higher

    The urban areas were undersampled by a factor of 5
    Himachal Pradesh data had no samples from the top 2 quintiles of urbanisation. There is an urban advantage of 40. This under-sampling of urban removed most of the upper castes who are mostly urban

    80% of the sample consisted of govt schools
    Only the poor who need mid-day meal go to govt schools and private schools which even the lower middle-class attend, scored 40 points higher

    • Jaipal

      Exactly Barani,

      I was thinking the same thing. Indian Brahmin man is an
      utter fake since he could not recognise that “Bannerjee” is a
      Brahmin surname! He has given himself away!

      • IndianMan-Brahmin

        Jaipal my dear Dalit Dog, i love useful idiots like you.

        You idiots have no culture neither history, live under our religious Myth

        Thanks Moron, believe in that myth and live in that shithole

        • Jaipal

          @Indian Brahmin Man aka Paki Muslim Troll,

          Ohhhh, what happened? Did I hurt your feelings? Now go cry buckets and wipe your
          face with your computer screen. You just can’t handle the fact that I am literally
          kicking your ass in these discussions. Your just pissed that your paki troll cover
          has been blown away by your own gaffes!

          Lastly, I am no useful idiot. I am a Hindu that takes pride in my religious and spiritual
          heritage like most Hindus do. Caste doesn’t matter. If you really were a true Brahmin,
          you would have realized that the essence of Vedic culture is self-realization of ones’
          immortal soul (e. the Atma). There is no place for casteist attitudes in genuine
          Vedic religion and culture. So go fuck yourself if your bored!

          And finally, I’d like to add that Vedic culture is a part of Dalit heritage only.
          You can read this book: “The Heritage of Dalits” by Sri Sri Ravishankar who is
          by the way an Iyengar Brahmin. He points out that many of the Vedic Rishis
          were from the lower castes only. Now, go add some knowledge and subtract some
          ignorance.

  6. Barani

    Here are some PISA scores from Qatar

    The Indian schools here are a sampling of mostly upper-caste, middle-class kids

    http://www.english.education.gov.qa/content/resources/detail/13217

    Qatar School Ranking, top 30 schools out of 153

    Mean PISA = 500 = IQ 100
    SD PISA = 100 = IQ 15

    Science, Math, Reading scores

    For comparison Shanghai = 575, 600, 566 = 112 IQ

    1. Al-Khor Indian Stream, ( GEMS ) = 566, 592, 604 = 113 IQ = Indian Hindu technicians and Engineers of NGL
    2. The International School of Choueifat ( SABIS ) = 554, 562, 565 = 109 IQ = Lebanese Xtian
    3. Doha College Private ( British Embassy ) = 572, 553, 563 = 109 IQ = UK
    4. DPS Modern Indian School ( Delhi Public School Society ) = 552, 538, 563 = 107 IQ = Indian Hindu
    5. Qatar Academy ( US educators ) = 540, 547, 562 = 107 IQ
    6. American School of Doha, ( US Embassy ) = 553, 546, 559 = 108 IQ
    7. Park House English ( UK ) = 568, 528, 552 = 107 IQ
    8. Birla Public School = 586, 539, 549 = 108 IQ = Indian Hindu
    9. Qatar Intl Private School ( UK ) = 539, 529, 540 = 105 IQ
    10. Al Bayan Girls = 481, 464, 516 = Muslim Arab = 98 IQ
    11. Cambridge Intl Private School = 531, 484, 514 = 101 IQ
    12. Doha Modern Indian School ( Jai Gopal Jindal ) = 554, 525, 514 = 104 IQ = Indian Hindu
    13. Al-Khor British Stream ( GEMS ) = 507, 505, 503 = 102 IQ
    14. Dukhan English School ( UK ) = 529, 501, 500 = 102 IQ

    15. Debakey High School for Health ( USA ) = 492, 467, 493 = 98 IQ

    16. Qatar Canadian School = 451, 456, 491 = 95 IQ
    17. MES Indian School ( Muslim Education Society ) = 484, 469, 490 = 97 IQ = Indian Muslim
    18. Ideal Indian School Girls, ( Muslim ) = 481, 450, 489 = 96 IQ = Indian Muslim
    19. Sudanese School = 463, 411, 488 = 93 IQ , remarkably high for black-arab mullatos
    20. Al Arqam = 454, 451, 484 = 95 IQ
    21. The Gulf English = 468, 448, 482 = 95 IQ
    22. Philipine School = 466, 461, 480 = 96 IQ
    23. Jordanian School = 446, 422, 472 = 92 IQ
    24. Tunisian School = 459, 436, 463 = 93 IQ
    25. Lebanese School ( Muslim ) = 444, 501, 463 = 96 IQ
    26. Middle East Intl = 484, 452, 461 = 95 IQ
    27. Al Andalus = 446, 397, 454 = 90 IQ
    28. Ideal Indian School, boys ( Muslim ) = 462, 465, 453 = 94 IQ = Indian Muslim
    29. Egyptian School = 463, 435, 434 = 92 IQ
    30. American Academy = 462, 434, 434 = 92 IQ

    Qatar, 153 school average = 379, 368, 372 = 81 IQ

  7. Seriously?

    Indian Americans, contrary to what whites say on here, are not the cream of the crop. Assuming the hereditary theories of intelligence are true—and it seems, as a “race realist,” you believe them to be—that idea seems to come more from ego protection than actual facts. Indian is a nationality, not an ethnicity or race. Even just a cursory look at affirmative action discussions on Indian blogs, along with looking at the castes of the India’s intellectual elite, will confirm which subset of the Indian population dominates.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/59725933/JEE-2011-Result-Merit-List-IIT-result-by-name-namewise-name-wise
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIT_JEE_Toppers

    All of those surnames come from India’s high castes: Brahmins, Reddys, Baniyas, Kayasthas, Vellalars, and so on, who are entirely genetically distinct from the low castes. (They’re also genetically distinct from each other, but that doesn’t seem to make a difference in regards to their relative intelligence.)

    What’s interesting is, the surnames/castes of those who make up about 60% of the Indian American population, including Patels, are nowhere to be seen. Both in India and in America, they perform at or slightly above the level of whites, but, on average, a level significantly lower than that of high castes. Throw in the fact that India faces malnutrition for much of its population comparable to Africa’s, and everything should come into perspective.

    You can try to downplay Indian intelligence all you want, because I think it’s based on a very natural fear. But I think the results will speak for themselves within a couple years. I’m convinced that not even Jews can compete with high castes intellectually once high castes are given the proper tools. There’s no way for a country to become a powerhouse in space and defense research in decades less time than it took China without having millions of brilliant people at its disposal. It’s not easy for either of us to put biases aside, but, personally, I’m convinced that high castes are smarter than Asians and whites, and are at least on par with Jews. A decade or so of modernization educationally, and we’ll both be able to put any doubts aside.

    • Bay Area Guy

      @ Seriously

      Just by having enough money and education to move to the United States as legal immigrants (whose selective legal immigration policy necessitates both, for the most part), most Indian immigrants ARE highly selected and the cream of the crop, considering they come from a country where 1/3 of the population can’t even read, and where close to half the population is malnourished, and an even larger percentage poor. Not to mention that the vast majority of India’s population is uneducated, or poorly educated.

      • Seriously?

        I didn’t say they weren’t selected, just not NEARLY to the extent that you would hope.The vast majority of the Indians that come here are lower middle class in India; otherwise there would be no incentive for them to come in the first place. So, in that sense at least, they are selected, since very few come from total abject poverty.

        Middle caste Patels, for example, while not the “cream of the crop” in Indian society, do run small businesses in India as they do here in America. The “cream of the crop,” however, has no need to come here. A high caste person in India with even a moderate income already has a 2 story house, which surpasses anything you can find in white suburbia, several cars, and several servants. Why would he or she bother coming here?

        This myth that everyone finds America great and wants to come here is propaganda you’ve been fed since you were a child. Maybe it was the case in the roaring 20s or post-World War II, but it couldn’t be further from the truth now. Indian women now almost unanimously turn down Indian American suitors. Many Indians come here for graduate school and then immediately head back home.

        And I’m not being hypocritical, either: I’ve lived in America most of my life, and I’m heading back to India soon after I graduate.

        • Bay Area Guy

          This myth that everyone finds America great and wants to come here is propaganda you’ve been fed since you were a child.

          Perhaps, but judging by all the immigrants and foreigners I’ve encountered throughout my life, I think it’s a safe bet to say that there’s a large degree of truth to it.

    • Halal Butcher of Lhasa

      “..There’s no way for a country to become a powerhouse in space and defense research in decades less time than it took China without having millions of brilliant people at its disposal. It’s not easy for either of us to put biases aside, but, personally, I’m convinced that high castes are smarter than Asians and whites, and are at least on par with Jews. A decade or so of modernization educationally, and we’ll both be able to put any doubts aside…”
      Seriously? You are hardly serious. I’m totally flabbergasted by your claim india has progressed faster than china in space and defense.
      Look, indians can’t even developed and manufactured assault rifles of reasonably quality for the indian army:
      http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-india-goes-shopping-for-a-new-assault-rifle-for-its-army/20111130.htm

      • Seriously?

        By that measure, no country on the planet has intelligent people, since they’ve all bought arms at some point. Kind of embarrassing that this is the best proof you can come up with.
        http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1926393,00.html

        • Halal Butcher of Lhasa

          Seriously? bhai,
          I can sense your hinduwadis pride has shot through the roof after the indian moon shot. Besides it’s inspirational for the millions of indian youth,
          it might not mean much just because the indians still can figure out basic things like rifles, like india having a number of universities like IITs that turn out good BSCs(but little in the way of research) can’t whitewash the fact that primary and secondary education there are in disarray.
          I wish india all the good fortune and I am looking forward to the indian moon base, 80 indian gold medals in one olympic games, india supercomputer rank fastest in the world, genetically engineered super hindu aryan race….

      • Jaipal

        @Halal Butcher,

        But India has successfully made its own long-range ballistic missiles!
        Soon, India will test ICBM’s in 2014 AD! It also has nuclear submarines.

        • Jaipal

          @Halal Butcher,

          Indians have made their own rifles like the INSAS rifles.
          Even foreign countries like Oman have shown interest in purchasing
          Indian-made assault rifles! The Indian Army tends to go for
          foreign arms simply because of the foreign arms lobbies as well as the
          kickbacks they shower on their customers! That is all there is to it!

        • Jake

          All those things were invented by White Americans or had their origins somewhere else, not in shithole India. There is no way on Earth Indians could reach that level of cognitive thinking and potential, or have the civility to produce that sort of technology that you see on the West. Instead you slumdogs have to come here as job beggars and rip off everything from the West, because you backwards turds are too fucking filthy and ugly to produce anything on your own.

        • Jaipal

          Jake said: “There is no way on Earth Indians could reach that level of cognitive thinking and potential, or have the civility to produce that sort of technology that you see on the West.” (Quote)

          @Jake,

          The fact is the Indians managed to make those long range missiles despite the
          innumerable technology denial regimes like the MTCR, so obviously they
          can come up to that level of cognitive thinking and potential! So eat your own words!

          The Indians, long before the West, discovered how to build urban cities on a grid
          planning system when you guys couldn’t even imagine the concept of a well-planned
          city! The Indians were also among the first to understand the concept of sanitation
          by building a plumbing system beating even the Greeks and Romans at it.

          They came up with the Decimal Number system (a systematic method of numbers and
          counting, enabling advanced calculation) when the West was ignorant and using
          the clumsy Roman numerals well into the 1400′s AD!! When did the Indians start
          using our present number system? Back in the 500′s BC! Think about it.

          Even in Rocketry, Indians were more advanced than the West upto about 1800 AD!
          The Indians had invented the first iron-cased and metal cylinder rockets which were
          used with devastating effect against the British. Those Indian rockets inspired
          the British to build the “Congreeve rocket” by reverse engineering the Indian rockets!

          So, go take your shit elsewhere Jake you fake!

        • Jake

          Robert
          -Can you verify the truth behind what our friend here is saying? Is it true that the Indians had a grid system, plumbing system (before the Greeks/Romans/Babylonians) and were the first to invent rocket technology along with a decimal system (not the Mesopotamian’s)?

        • They had plumbing, I do know that.

    • Halal Butcher of Lhasa

      Halal Butcher of Lhasa
      Seriouly?
      ” That’s pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps.”
      ——-Marsellus Wallace
      ” Admitting shame is courage” ———————-A chinese proverb

      No offense intended, my hindi bhai

      • Jaipal

        There is no need for shame. We have our problems no doubt,
        but we just have to solve it. Thats all. We have many things to be proud off as well! Like our space program, Missile program, an increasing
        middle class, an ancient civilizational heritage for example!

  8. Barani

    Hinduism is an umbrella term
    It has 2 main streams,

    Brahminism emphasising – vegetarianism, no drugs , no alchohol no pre-marital sex, based on Sanskrit culture – mainly followed by upper castes

    Tantrism – animal sacrifice, smoking bhang, wierd stuff like extra marital sex, prostitution, pre-Sanskritic, pre-Aryan – mainly followed by lower castes
    Most of the sensational news that shows up is Tantrism.

  9. Barani

    In the 2011, CA National Merit list, out of 2000, there were 184 Indian winners

    Of which

    South Indian brahmin = 89, = 15% of CA Indians
    North Indian brahmin = 19 = 10% of CA Indians
    North Indian merchants = 26 = 15% of CA Indians
    South Indian Upper caste Dravidians = 29 = 20% of CA Indians
    North Indian Scribes = 2 = 5% of CA Indians
    North Indian Royalty = 12 = 10% of CA Indians
    Sikhs = 4 = 10% of CA Indians
    Patels = 3 = 15% of CA Indians

    The US Indian diaspora is selected, but not the highest IQ blend possible

    In UK, 80% of Indians are Patels and Sikhs and they outcompete whites easily

    • Seriously?

      Can I have proof of this? On the IIT exams, North Indian Brahmins, Baniyas, and Kayasthas actually outperform South Indian high castes by a good margin (partially because there are more of them). The differences between them intellectually seem to only be the occupations they choose, since South Indians overwhelmingly go into academia, while North Indians overwhelmingly choose finance and other white collar work.

      • Seriously?

        Sorry, I meant the differences between them seem to be occupational/social rather than intellectual.

      • Barani

        The most extreme victim of Affirmative action in India is the South Indian Brahmin. With a anti-quota of 70%, Much of the higher IQ segment of South Indian brahmin has emigrated to USA

        I went through the US National Merit Lists, state by state

        The Ranking order is
        1. South Indian Brahmin
        2. North Indian Brahmin
        3, North Indian Merchants
        4. Upper caste Dravidians – Reddys etc

        Very similar results are found if you analyse finalists of Geographic bee,
        US Math olympiad, Mathcounts, Spelling bee

        Interestingly Patels and Sikhs who are together about 35% of the US Indian diaspora are usually absent from these lists, and Patels and Sikhs outscore whites in UK

        http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_18888860

        Has California data, which I posted

        There are 1350 Fellows of Royal Society of UK of which 24 are Indians of which

        14 are South Indian Brahmins
        3 are North Indian Brahmins
        3 are North Indian Merchants
        1 Parsi

        The ‘Smiling Buddha’ Nuclear blast team of 1974, had 18 members
        of which 12 were South Indian brahmins, 3 North Indian brahmins and 3 were North Indian merchants

        But the brahmin-bania segment is no more than 15% of India, add the Reddys etc and you still get to no more than 25%. There is left a 75% low to mediocre IQ population

        There is a whole huge genre of dumb Sardarji-Sikh jokes and Sikhs are at the mid-point of Indian IQ, there is another 50% below them of much lower IQ

        What is also true is that about 50% of the Indian population has IQ below Patels and Sikhs such as SC 15%-ST 10%-Muslim 15%, , and these drag down the Indian average IQ to much below whites. Even with nutrition, the average Indian IQ is unlikely to be much above 90

        Remember 75% of Indian population gets quota, which by definition is lower IQ
        52% OBC-mandal., 22% SC-ST

        In the Qatar data, Indian Hindus PISA scores show a +10 IQ above that of Indian muslims

      • Seriously?

        By the way, it’s unlikely you’ll be able to provide it, since North Indian high castes still form the majority of Indian populations at elite universities. You’re much more likely to come across a Sharma, Gupta, or Ghosh (again, because there are more of them) than an Iyer, so it makes no sense for South Indian Brahmins to maintain such a lead over them. I find it odd that you (presumably a South Indian Brahmin) would be willing to throw them under the bus, since all high castes do maintain similar, if not the same, genetic affinities.

        • Seriously?

          Also, it makes no sense to lump high caste baniyas under “merchants.” Even as a non-Baniya, I can say Baniyas (specifically Agrawal baniyas) comprise less half the population Brahmins do in India, but still manage to outnumber everyone else in IIT rankings for whatever reason. It’s unfortunate, however, that the vast majority of them undersell themselves and go into finance and engineering rather than academia.

  10. Barani

    In the Qatar data I posted above

    The highest ranking school is run by GEMS for kids of Indian employees of NGL
    School ranked 13 is run by GEMS for kids of white UK employees of NGL

    The parents work for the same company as Engineers and Technicians
    and the kids of high caste Hindu Engineers cream the kids of White UK engineers

    Science, Math, Reading scores

    For comparison Shanghai = 575, 600, 566 = 112 IQ

    1. Al-Khor Indian Stream, ( GEMS ) = 566, 592, 604 = 113 IQ = Indian Hindu technicians and Engineers of NGL

    13. Al-Khor British Stream ( GEMS ) = 507, 505, 503 = 102 IQ = White UK technicians and Engineers of NGL

  11. Barani

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1916150,00.html

    And the U.S.-based, NRI (Non Resident India) groom — once the most coveted prize at the top of the Indian matrimonial hierarchy and seen by many families in India as their daughter’s ticket to a better life — has become the latest casualty of the world’s economic downturn.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1916150,00.html#ixzz204N6iY00

  12. AK

    One recent idea I’ve had is to think of India not as a conventional nation-state but as a vast collection of Jews and gypsies. The Brahmins have evolved to handle the high-end intellectual work, with their Ashkenazi Jewish-like 115 mean IQ’s (e.g., Ramanujan, one of the most brilliant men of the 20th century, came from a Brahmin family; surprise surprise). Then you have the great mass of Indians with their sub-Saharan African like PISA scores who do the grunt work. Both groups pay a large amount of attention to caste, blood lines, food customs, etc. Their religion itself foregoes Christian or Islamic universalism and instead legitimizes and justifies this peculiar (to European and East Asian eyes) set of bio-social relations.

    • Who says Brahmins have average IQ’s of 115, and why is this important?

      • AK

        The average IQ of Indian immigrants to the US is 112. IIRC they are mostly Brahmin. Of course it may well be only the brightest Brahmins who emigrate, nonetheless, I certainly think it stands to reason that India has some sub-populations with well above-100 average IQ levels. After all, India throughout history has produced a very respectable number of religious texts, great works of literature, fundamental mathematical discoveries, etc; arguably more so than, say, neighboring China, even though the Chinese have one of the highest IQ’s of any major global population group. Certainly Africa hasn’t produced anything comparable even though there doesn’t appear to be much of an IQ gap between the average Indian and the average Sub-Saharan African.

        Why is it important? I imagine it is important for much the same reasons that, say, the white-black IQ gap is Important, or other HBD issues are important – they explain real world outcomes. It explains some aspects of history (e.g., why India created more math and religions than China); it explains why the IQ of Indian immigrants to the US (mostly Brahmin) is much higher than the IQ of Indian immigrants to the UK (mostly Vaisya); it does much to explain India’s phenomenally high inequality rate, and the disregard Indians seem to have for the commons in India (i.e. they care about their fellow sub-caste members and family, but almost naught for their fellow citizen); etc, etc.

      • Jaipal

        @Robert Lindsay,

        The whole concept of IQ in general is a sham.
        There is no objective proof that Intelligence is based on genes.
        A recent study by some Harvard scientists debunked the claim
        that intelligence was gene-specific. Just google it.

    • Jaipal

      @AK,

      You have it all wrong actually. India is a nation state but simply with
      more complexties because its a much bigger country than most
      Western nations! There is no difference between the Brahmins
      and non-Brahmins since they belong to the same race, basically.
      Genetic studies show that Indians are infact one race and share the
      same genes regardless of caste or region.

      The reason PISA scores are low is only because lack of quality teaching in under-funded corruption ridden government schools.
      India doesn’t spend much on education and whatever is spent gets siphoned off by corrupt beaurucrats and politicians. Thats the reason why! There is no problem with Indians’ learning capacity.

      • Jake

        Yes India is so complex, it’s a fucking joke!! It only took a couple of British, not millions but just a couple of thousand to take over this “great nation”, without any fight or struggle at all. The British laughed at you guys and talked shit about you while robbing you guys blind, some of your Indians were so proud to serve the British in robbing you people because they thought it would get them somewhere in life while the Brits talked shit about your ugly asses all day long ROFL!!! Did I mention how easy it was to bribe your leaders when the Europeans came over?

        So advanced, yet Vietnam, China, South East Asian countries, Middle Eastern countries despite being poor in some parts do not have ANY people shitting out in the open or on the ground. The Ancient Carthaginians, Romans, Egyptians, developed their own plumbing systems without ANY modern technology, yet you have massive numbers of Indian slumdogs shitting in the open, your civilization is a backwater dirty shit hole joke. It only took a bunch of nomads and tribe people from Kazakhstan and the Urals to invent Hinduism and then conquer your entire sub-continent in the second millennium BC HA HA HA HA!!

        • Jaipal

          Jake said: “Yes India is so complex, it’s a fucking joke!! It only took a couple of British, not millions but just a couple of thousand to take over this “great nation”, without any fight or struggle at all. The British laughed at you guys and talked shit about you while robbing you guys blind, some of your Indians were so proud to serve the British in robbing you people because they thought it would get them somewhere in life while the Brits talked shit about your ugly asses all day long ROFL!!!” (Quote)

          @Jake you fake,

          Those couple of thousands who actually did the fighting were Indian troops, not British.
          Therefore, it was largely Indians who did the fighting and took over the country for
          the English. The English could never have done it by themselves which is why they
          used Indian troops to do the job. Those mercenerary Indian troops were simply traitors
          who sold out on their country. Traitors can exist in any race, in any time. This is not
          unique to Indians only. The Normans who conquered England were helped by British
          traitors to their country. The Ottoman Turks who conquered parts of Europe were
          largely assisted by Europeans only who were sell-outs to their race/continent!
          The Arabs conquered Iran largely through Persian traitors like Salman Parsi!!
          But even then majority of Indians were against the English and revolted such as
          the 1857 AD War of independence. To the Indians’s credit, they resisted the
          English and finally threw them out by 1947 AD, without anybody’s help!

          And frankly Indians never gave a damn what the English thought about them!
          Indians of that time considered the English as untouchables and people not to
          associate with as that would undermine caste/racial purity!! So, it really doesn’t
          matter. We despised them as much as they despised us.

          Of course India was a great country. If it wasn’t, then why did the English take the
          trouble to come to India?? Because India was a far richer and prosperous country
          than the shithole that England was at that time!

        • Jaipal

          Jake said: “The Ancient Carthaginians, Romans, Egyptians, developed their own plumbing systems without ANY modern technology, yet you have massive numbers of Indian slumdogs shitting in the open, your civilization is a backwater dirty shit hole joke.” (Quote)

          @Jake,

          The Ancient Indians had already beaten the Carthaginians, Romans and Egyptians
          as far as sanitation sense and plumbing systems are concerned! Seriously, look
          up the Indus Valley civilization. The Indians of that time had managed to build
          plumbing systems and other sanitary systems like the “Western Toilet” without
          any modern technology either!! Even more impressive is the fact that the Indians
          could accomplish that at a much more earlier period than even the above three
          civilizations!

        • Jake said: “It only took a bunch of nomads and tribe people from Kazakhstan and the Urals to invent Hinduism and then conquer your entire sub-continent in the second millennium BC HA HA HA HA!!” (Quote)

          @Jake,

          The above scenario that you mentioned never happened. There is no proof that
          Hinduism was invented anywhere outside of India. Hinduism was invented only in
          India. There is no archaeological, literary, epigraphical or even linguistic proof
          that any nomads ever invaded or conquered the Indian sub-continent.
          In fact many scholars reject that view. Its simply not true.
          So the joke is on you, jake

  13. I am sorry. I do not think this is impotant at all. All this Brahmin chest beating is tiresome.

    Who says that the average IQ is the Indian immigrant to the US is 112? Indian liars? My understanding is that the Indian IQ in the US is 96, below that of Whites.

    Brahmins are 5% of India. So they have high IQ’s. Big deal. If we take the top 5% of US Whites, they have IQ’s of 125 minimum. That’s way higher than Brahmins. Probably the top East Asian 5% in IQ may well be even higher. Surely East Asia has a top 5% “caste” with an IQ of minimum 125, or maybe even higher. The top 5% of Europeans have average IQ’s of 125 or so.

    This high caste Indian chest beating makes no sense at all in light of my last paragraph. Have they bred a race of supermen or something? I call bullshit. Just more Indian lying, chest beating, braggadocio and crap.

    Just look at their shithole country. Who cares about their subrace of Brahmin supermen? What good are they? They are the rulers of that land, and they’ve created the worst pile of shit on the face of the Earth, and even worse, they could care less!

    • Bay Area Guy


      Just look at their shithole country. Who cares about their subrace of Brahmin supermen? What good are they? They are the rulers of that land, and they’ve created the worst pile of shit on the face of the Earth, and even worse, they could care less!

      You just read my mind, Robert.

      Obviously, they’re not doing much right.

  14. Bay Area Guy

    Just curious, Robert. When did you first start studying and becoming critical of India?

    Don’t get me wrong, India is an absolute shithole, with nothing worthy of emulation, and I have a very low opinion of the country.

    Still, sometimes, I can’t help but think that you have a vendetta against India. Not that it’s a bad thing, haha! :-)

    • I feel that India is a horrific shithole, and as a socialist, it’s probably the most anti-socialist society on Earth. Yet the Hindus get a break. All the wrath goes to the Muslims, the Leftists and Jews, or even the Whites or the Christians, and not one single breath of a word against these abominable people. The more I got to know them and talk to them and the more of them I met, the worse I liked them.

      They are seroiusly fucked in the worst possible way. For instance, around here, we have Arab stores and we have Indian stores. If you’re an idiot, you shop at Indian stores. They’re assholes, and they treat their customers like shit. I finally figured out that this is the Indian way. The Arabs are the coolest people in the whole universe, and everyone hates them because they are EEEVIL Muslims. Ohhhhhh Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bad for the Jews! Fuck that. I don’t give two flying fucks about Islam. The Yemenis are nice. The Indians are subcons are assholes.

      Indians are nasty people. They’re like Blacks in that regard. With most folks, the more you get to know them, the more you like them. The more you get to know Blacks, tragically, the less you like them. It’s the same with Indians. The more you get to know them, the more you realize how horrible they are.

      These fuckers just get off easy. Fuck that. Bring it down on them.

      • Gay State Girl

        Does your hatred of India stem from your hatred of Gypsies (aor vice versa?)

        The average right wing or racist American (even WN) doesn’t have much to say about either group.

      • Bay Area Guy

        Most of the Indians I’ve known throughout my life have been thoroughly assimilated, whitewashed types from upper middle class families. As a result, I never really developed a negative opinion of Indians, and like many white westerners, saw them as a model minority with “strong family values” and all that jazz.

        Needless to say, reading your blog has thoroughly disabused me of these illusions.

        • Car Guy

          Bay Area Guy,

          I can imagine that second and third generation Indians would be more tolerable (more observant of Western moral principles and ideals), but you won’t like those individuals straight from Indian (those who grew up in India). I can practically guarantee you that.

          My experiences with them have been so bad, so disturbing and so consistent that I now believe that they were not just statistical coincidences.

          My word of advice, if you don’t know them, don’t trust anything they say. I was warned and didn’t heed that warning. Next thing you know, you’re working with an illiterate in Graduate school — I kid you not!

        • Steve

          Car Guy, I have a friend who is second generation. His parents are Indian but he grew up in England. You’d be surprised how British he is. He was having a relationship with a girl from a different caste and keeping it from his parents. He said that his generation aren’t that bothered about caste and that he judges people as individuals. He is also surprisingly open minded and accepting of homosexuality for quite a macho guy.

        • Car Guy

          @Steve,

          Yea, most of the second-generation Indians I’ve met (by second generation, I also mean growing up mostly in the West, even if one was born in India) have been OK in my book. They actually believe in doing good work, rather than thinking that they can talk — read “scam” — their way into not doing anything. With them, it’s less nonsense, more work.

          On the other hand, most of the first-gen Indians that I have had the misfortune of working with or getting to know have done a number on me. They, a along with a number of malignant narcissists in my life, have pushed me beyond my tolerance level, and trust me, I had a freakishly high threshold. The anger and frustration they have caused me have ironically helped me overcome some of the conditions of my debilitating general anxiety disorder. Needless to say, I am very wary of them. They’re not good people and generally incompetent too.

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Car Guy

          Sorry to hear about that, that sucks man.

          I think a major problem is that, as Dota pointed out, for the average Indian, duty > morality.

          In other words, they’ll work hard in school, respect their elders, etc. But when it comes to dealing with average people, they can be quite dishonest and sleazy at times.

          I think this is a problem with Asian culture in general, whether it’s South or East Asian. As even the blogger Ask a Korean once pointed out, when discussing Confucianism, Confucianism isn’t very good when it comes to dealing with average people/those outside of any clearly defined hierarchy/social arrangement. (ie. parents, teachers, bosses, etc).

          While the majority of the various Asian people I have known throughout my life have been good, honest people, I have sadly known a good number of sleazy and dishonest ones as well.

          I’ve known some dishonest, untrustworthy, or sleazy East Asians and Filipinos throughout my life.

          They’re very respectful towards their parents, and generally behave very well in public. But I’ve noticed that, even towards their friends (me included), they can be very manipulative and untrustworthy at times.

          Don’t get me wrong. East Asians are certainly more moral than South Asians, and much more competent as well.

          But sometimes, I can’t help but get the feeling that if you fall outside of an Asian person’s duty, or if you aren’t one of their parents, teachers, or elders, that you shouldn’t trust them as far as you can throw them.

          And again, this isn’t nearly as true for 2nd or 3rd generation Asian Americans, who culturally speaking (aside from excelling academically) tend to be Asian only in terms of looks or name.

        • Car Guy

          @Bay Area Guy,

          “But sometimes, I can’t help but get the feeling that if you fall outside of an Asian person’s duty, or if you aren’t one of their parents, teachers, or elders, that you shouldn’t trust them as far as you can throw them.”

          It’s not just you, I get that same feeling too. Everyone, aside from those people you mentioned, is free game to them, even other Indians.

          No wonder Indians don’t trust each other.

        • Car Guy

          I meant “fair” game, rather than free game.

      • My dislike of Gypsies has nothing to do with my dislike of Indians.

      • Jake

        oh goody, Jai Pal the dalit is back with his with OIT theory non-sense again despite being thoroughly disproved and found he was copy pasting bullshit from different Hinduvta nationalist sites. He must be one of those dillusioned “lower caste” people that think appealing to the upper castes is going to do his short pathetic life something.

        • Jaipal

          @Jake you fake,

          You have given away yourself as to who you really are!
          You are in reality “Xera” the Egyptian sand nigger that used to post quite
          regularly on this blog. I was wondering where the fuck is Xera nowadays,
          not posting at all the way he once did with such dog-like, tail wagging barks
          against Indians/India topics??

          Jake, come out of your Burqa-like cowardly disguise and admit that you are
          actually “Xera the Egyptian sand nigger” too ashamed to show his real face
          to me Jaipal here since you suffered an ass-whooping at my hands on various
          threads in this blog! Remember?

          You know how I figured you out? No, its not because of any CIA connections or
          KGB connections, its simply because you can’t seem to spell my name right
          even though you would have seen it time and again on this screen! Its Jaipal, not
          JaiPal, no accent on the “pal” loser! Also you can’t seem to spell the word “Hinduvta”
          properly either! Its “Hindutva” not “Hinduvta” dumbshit!!

          Of course, these technicalities might have escaped your sand-for-brains- sand nigger
          brain!

        • Jaipal

          Jake said: “OIT theory non-sense again despite being thoroughly disproved and found he was copy pasting bullshit from different Hinduvta nationalist sites.” (Quote)

          @Jake the fake,

          The OIT has never been properly disproved at all.
          You can find this out in an academic work:

          “The Indo-Aryan controversy: Evidences and Inferences in Indian History”
          by Edwin Bryant and Laurie Patton of Rutgers University.

          According to Dr. Edwin Bryant, there is no conclusive evidence proving any
          Aryan migration to India in the second millenium BC. The Linguistic evidence
          is either inconsistent/inconclusive in this matter according to his study and therefore,
          does not provide any tangible support to the notions of Aryan migrations to India!
          Seriously, look it up if you have any doubts! By the way Dr. Bryant is no Hindutva.

        • Jake

          So how does our pal, Jai pal explain Albanians, Albanian language and heritage and the mystery behind them with their relationship to the rest of the Slavic groups and the early creators of the European kingdoms as the Indo-Europeans went into Europe? After all the Slavs are the closest to Indo-Aryans/Indo-Europeans yet Albanians claim they are a separate race and one of the earliest “White races” in the Balkans/Europe. I would like to see Mr.Jai Pal’s expert opinion and dissertion on this and how Slavic civilizations are in congruence with OIT.

      • Jaipal

        Robert Lindsay said: “The Arabs are the coolest people in the whole universe, and everyone hates them because they are EEEVIL Muslims. Ohhhhhh Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bad for the Jews! Fuck that. I don’t give two flying fucks about Islam. The Yemenis are nice. The
        Indians are subcons are assholes. ” (Quote)

        @Mr. Lindsay,

        Honestly, what would you rather prefer? A rude Indian with nothing in his hands
        or a smiling Arab holding daggers behind his back planning to stab you so he can
        do his pious religious duty to his Allah and romp with 70 virgins in heaven??

        How quickly does your memory fade? Ever heard of an event called Sept 11 2001??
        Wasn’t it Arabs who attacked and killed innocent Americans that day??
        Had you been in the wrong place at the wrong time, you could very well have been
        one of those innocent victims on that fateful day!

        No amount of socialist blustering can change the fact that Arab Muslims remain
        an enemy of America/Americans who seek to dominate you with their stone-age
        Sharia laws! Therefore, if Americans really do hate Arabs, they are on the right
        track and should be commended for showing common sense!

        • Robert Lindsay said: “I don’t give two flying fucks about Islam.” (Quote)

          @Mr. Lindsay,

          Thats precisely your mistake/problem! You can’t recognise your enemy and its
          inimical intentions towards you and your country.

        • The Muslims I know are not my enemies, sorry pal.

        • Jaipal

          @Mr.Lindsay,

          You are simply plain ignorant. It doesn’t matter if the Muslims you know are not your enemies
          at a personal level. They are all supportive of Islamic takeover of America and institutuing Sharia Law.
          Have you thought about the consequences to your country??

      • Steve

        I don’t know if this is true in general but I will lend some anecdotal support. Back in Manchester, near my university, there were two convenience stores right next to each other. One was run by Indians and the other by Muslims. I think they were Egyptian. I thought that my natural allegiance was to the Indians but they were a little cold and the Muslim guys were really warm and friendly so I ended up going to that shop all the time. They were friendly to the point where it was a nice experience to buy something from the shop.

        Asians (In Britain, Asian refers to south Asians, not east Asians like in America) always have these little newsagents or convenience stores for some reason. There’s loads of them in Manchester. I can think of two others that I lived nearby, which were owned by Muslims, one by Iraqi Kurds and the other by Pakistanis. I had a great relationship with both of them. Friendliest guys in the world. I went into the British Pakistani owned store a couple of years after I moved apartment and they remembered me.

        I haven’t known too many Indians. I had an British Indian friend who was really nice but most of the ‘Indian’ restaurants are really run by Bangladeshis or Pakistanis in Manchester.

  15. AlanJ

    I dont think the west has the IQ to handle what is coming for them. Next time let God Think for you, not yourselves. Unfourtunately there is no next time.

    • Jake

      Are you seriously this retarded or just comical? Please stop, you are just a joke and non one around here takes you that seriously.

      • Jaipal

        @Jake,

        If anyone is the retard, its you. If you don’t take Alan’s statements seriously
        then why are you bothering to reply in the first place?? Cause you do take it
        seriously and get sensitive when he does say something! Why should he stop
        if he’s so funny? If he’s funny, then laugh. If he’s not, then go get a hypersensitive
        reaction and cry buckets and wipe your face with your computer screen!
        End of story.

        • Seriously?

          Relax, Jaipal. Why do you even bother?

          India opened it’s markets 20 years after China did (centuries after the US did) and already dominates all forms of research. Despite 20-year disadvantage versus China, it now it already has a better space program than the EU; by 2017 it will have the fastest supercomputer in the world; by 2019 it will have its own fifth-generation fighter; and by 2020 320 million people will have been added to the Indian middle class. Along with that, Indian Americans have the highest average IQ and income of any group by country of origin. What exactly do we have to prove?

          So these are merely tribalistic instincts talking, trying to preserve whatever white hubris is left. When you can’t point to things like IQ scores and income as with blacks, inevitably you have to fall back on petty things like cuisine, “your country is poor” (at this exact arbitrary point in history), and, the best one yet, “we don’t like your culture.”

          Great, we’ll regain our spot as richest region in the world, and you can take solace online in the fact that you don’t like things like the food we eat and what we wear.

        • Jake

          “India opened it’s markets 20 years after China did (centuries after the US did) and already dominates all forms of research. Despite 20-year disadvantage versus China, it now it already has a better space program than the EU; by 2017 it will have the fastest supercomputer in the world; by 2019 it will have its own fifth-generation fighter; and by 2020 320 million people will have been added to the Indian middle class. Along with that, Indian Americans have the highest average IQ and income of any group by country of origin. What exactly do we have to prove?”

          India has a better space program because it copied and ripped off the U.S and Western technology, and with Russian help of course. India itself could never create or reach that level of cognitive development. Lets be honest, part of that middle class income and all that jazz is a result of Indian H1b’s going to overseas nations and then taking money out of there. Much of India’s wealth isn’t self-created but it’s taken from another source. Recently Indians are trying to get into Japan since it’s the next developed nation that has all the wealth that Indians can effectively leech out or steal like parasites, however given the xenophobia, racism and strong nationalism that Japanese have (as well intelligence), I don’t think they will ever let the “slumdogs” leech off their country. By the way, Japan is a tiny Island nation that got nuked twice, invaded in the past without any traceable natural resources whatsoever and they still are a first world country with top caliber research and everything else. Someone did a post on the Japanese and how they rejected Neo-globalism and excessive capitalism; smart Japanese we can learn so much from them.

          Meanwhile there are Indians that are still shitting out in the open, cannot develop anything on their own so they crowd and leech off Western countries and steal technology created in Silicon Valley (by Whites). All that Indian “wealth” is siphoned off wealth from the U.S and various other countries. Really Indian wealth isn’t really a wealth at all, its just stolen wealth, they can’t develop any real sewage or plumbing systems, and their cars and highways suck, despite trying to fix it. That “Indian success” in the U.S is because of self-selection, only a select few get inside the U.S hence you have this minority success. However most Indians have IQ’s comparable and below that of sub-Saharan Africans. India got robbed by the British, attacked by Muslims yet they are still an underdeveloped dumpster; I recall how every single thing Indians have created have been destroyed or just broken, one needs to recall how the government of Chile bought Indian made helicopters and they all crashed instantly.

          Here is a list of companies Indians have ruined:
          Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired. AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
          AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
          Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
          Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
          Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall) Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA) Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
          Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America. Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
          Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
          ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
          Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
          Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
          Dell – call center (closed in India)
          Delta call centers (closed in India)
          Duke University – Massive scientific fraud by Indian national Dr. Anil Potti discovered in 2012.
          Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
          Goldman Sachs – Kunil Shah, VP & Managing Director – GS had to be bailed out by US taxpayers for $550 BILLION.
          GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
          HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
          HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006) IBM bill collecting system for Austin, TX failed in 2012 written by Indians at IBM Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
          JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc. Kodak: Outsourced to India in 2006, filed for bankruptcy in Jan, 2012.
          Lehman (Jasjit Bhattal ruined the company. Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers) Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S. Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
          MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled) MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
          Nomura Securities – (In 2011 “struggling to compete on the world stage”). No wonder because Jasjit Bhattal formerly of failed Lehman ran it. See Lehman above. PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
          PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch. Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
          Qantas – See AirBus above Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
          Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
          SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010. Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011) Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired) State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued State of Texas failed IBM project.
          Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
          UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
          Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011. United – call center (closed in India) Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011) Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure) World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).
          etc etc etc

          CHINA on the other hand, with their civilization experience and what not, is a strong candidate to be a dominant and major player in the world. They have the IQ, the infrastructure, organization, military to compete on a world scale. We saw some of that in the Olympics despite doping and cheating somewhat and how they took over Hong Kong. I just hope China crushes and annexes India and at least civilizes these slumdogs so they have a decent standard of living.

        • Seriously?

          Sorry, Jake, posts such as these fail to insult me for the same reasons I posted. Besides, I’ve seen the same insecure, copied-and-pasted remarks before. I could form the same list using any group of people with the help of confirmation bias, misdirected anger at my own failures, and the wondrous free time that comes from unemployment. My guess is you lost your job to an Indian living in Bangalore or wherever else and now you’re angrily flooding the internet, trying to prove to others and yourself you were better all along. (I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but no harm in reminding you.)

          I don’t blame you for trying to make excuses, but, at the end of the day, we’re still smarter than you. And I’ve responded to some of those remarks already. Basically, the high castes in India are much smarter than whites and Asians, which I feel is a given. But even the average street vendor in India could, with a decent education and proper nutrition, go to elite college in the US and outperform your cognitively uninclined white/Asian/whatever-you-are brethren.

          And you’ll note that it’s always white supremacists from America who like to hastily point out British colonization, attempting to show we’re not actually smarter after all. Not even the most racist Britons do. You know why? Because they have a grasp of their own history and know how it happened. But alas, you can’t expect the same from uneducated Americans.

          P.S. I find the use of “slumdog” cute.

        • Seriously?

          Oh, and, just in case you’re Chinese, much of Chinese culture and thought (along with that of Japan’s, for that matter) is a ripoff of India’s.

          Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA: “India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.”

          Anyways, sorry, but I do have better things to do now—you know, with my superior IQ and education.

        • Bay Area Guy

          A pity that high caste Indians can’t actually run a functioning, semi-civilized society.

          And aside from Buddhism and certain martial arts, please elaborate on how China owes its culture and achievements to India. Inquiring minds want to know!

        • Steve

          ‘much of Chinese culture and thought (along with that of Japan’s, for that matter) is a ripoff of India’s.’

          Yeah and much of it isn’t.

        • Jake

          yeah “seriously”, I would love to know how China owes it’s wealth to India. India has so many people, yet they can’t produce enough olympic level caliber level athletes for how gigantic it’s population size is. Not only do they have a semi-functioning society, their genetics just plain fucking suck (except for maybe the Northern Indians). If the average street vendor in India was so smart, why can’t they figure out how to use leafes to use wipe their asses instead of with their hands? I have never heard of Chinese, Koreans, or Japanese people shitting out in the open or pissing in rivers when they were respectively third world countries and under development.

          South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, were all respective third world shitholes and now they are more developed then a majority of the world (and India), and yet Indians can’t produce shit unless they crowd more developed countries or go to Western institutions (created by Whites) and take as much as they can while boasting they invented it. For all their supposed genius, everything India has produced so far has failed and fallen apart into shit. They can’t even produce their own nano-technology, or even technology for the most part, where are the Indian Toyota’s or Hyundai’s, Sony’s, Samsung’s, Intel’s, etc etc, oh wait there are none. Your only success comes from taking over what was created and left over by Whites, Asians, Blacks etc, it’s funny how Indians have to be smarter then everyone else but only when they are in White developed countries and environments run by Whites are they “geniuses” and not their respective shit hole of a country.

          Do you want to know why I bought up to the Japanese? They took a religion out of a shit hole country, without any natural resources what so ever, never got colonized by Europeans, became one of the premier Industrialized powers of Asia after exposure to the West and almost kicked out the British, Dutch etc out of Asia, kicked out every Christian missionary that entered the country; then they got nuked twice in WWII but even under radiation, they rebuilt their entire country into a first world powerhouse, they got on an equal footing with the U.S and Europe and created their OWN brands, OWN TECHNOLOGY. It is the cleanest and most organized society there is and the most important part about them is that they don’t try to come to the U.S, Europe, Australia en masse and take over what’s built by others. They have their own Universities and Colleges that are up to par with Western Institutions, and created their own country for themselves, not to go in and take over stuff made by others.

          Now compare that with “genius” Indians, and with all that landmass and territory, got conquered by only a “small” bunch of British soldiers, your leaders sold you out. With all their natural resources and land mass you guys can’t even produce a half decent society. Millions of you still shit out in the open, drink cow piss, and die due to basic human necessities and needs. You come over and hoard Western more developed countries, take over other people’s work and then stupidly and shittily boast about Indians being the greatest geniuses in the world. You got beaten by every single outsider that entered your country and that includes the “upper caste brahmins” (who came from Southern Russia and the Urals). When else fails you guys blame every single fucking thing on either past British colonization, Muslims and how they robbed and looted your shithole of a country. Even with natural resources you people can’t even produce squat except monkeys roaming around and spreading diseases, people pissing in rivers and then bathing in them, shitting on the streets and what not. You guys produce shit knock offs of everyone else and claim it as your own, if all else fails, you guys point to your “genius” history and what you guys accomplished in the past. Indians are biggest jokes and filthy morons in the world. Now how does it feel to get owned so badly my man?

        • Seriously?

          Really, Jake, if you possessed basic reading comprehension skills, I wouldn’t have to waste my time typing this. I never said China owes its wealth to India, I said it owes much of its “culture and thought.” And if you guys blindly hate India so much that you’re willing to overlook and/or downplay thousands of years of history, why should I bother?

          Anyways, to everything you just posted: India opened up its markets two decades after China and over half a century after Japan, like I said. If you knew anything about Japan, you’d know it was occupied by the US subsequent to World War II.

          But the truth is you don’t know anything about history, whether its India’s, Japan’s, or even America’s. So you’re wasting my time. Thanks for helping me realize I’m talking to a community college graduate. (Though in truth I probably should have realized this much earlier.)

          Sorry, but there’s no reason for me to either read your posts or respond anymore.

        • Jake

          Thanks “Seriously?” for demonstrating to me why I can’t take you seriously. The truth is that you haven’t said anything to counter my statements on India nor the logic behind it (which happens to be true and pretty much verifiable). Oh and intentionally misinterpreting what I am saying, now that’s a classic tactic!! You know what I meant when I said China doesn’t really owe much to India and it exactly meant that, I thought you were smart now.

          But instead you resort to the usual (Indian) useless, undeserved, fake, chest-thumping snide arrogance. Believe me I know MUCH more about history then you probably do. You also don’t make much sense with your posts or carry out the actual needed content to actually support your assertions but instead you insult me with “community college graduate” (an average U.S one is much more higher in prestige then the highest Indian institution there is, which I am sure you are a graduate of and know this fact).

          “Really, Jake, if you possessed basic reading comprehension skills, I wouldn’t have to waste my time typing this. I never said China owes its wealth to India, I said it owes much of its “culture and thought.” And if you guys blindly hate India so much that you’re willing to overlook and/or downplay thousands of years of history, why should I bother?”

          You don’t seem to have any reading comprehension skills either dumbshit. I AM SAYING that China owes nothing, not even it’s wealth OR it’s ideas to India. Chinese philosophy and thought is Chinese philosophy and thought, they developed it on their own. Aside from borrowing a couple of martial arts, and perhaps the concept of Buddhism, they also borrowed from the Persians and Arabs and many other people. But they have a long tradition of warfare and martial arts that predates Buddhism, and Confucianism/meritocracy/state wide examination is not from India!!

          Also China was and is one of the most xenophobic closed societies there is and has been for a long time now. The only outside influence they had was from traders, technology, foreign invaders and that’s it. China itself thought it was the center of the universe for a long time and thought it self superior to every neighbor and country in the world. They had ships and weapons far superior to that of anything India could ever make or produce. Infact Chinese naval technology and ships (Zheng He) were even ahead of Columbus, they had a chance to compete with Europe and could have been the first to colonize the America’s but it was their superiority complex that lead to them closing their doors to the outside world completely. Let’s not forget about how they built the Great Wall to repel the Huns and the invention of gun powder. Compared to eternal slum dog India which got conquered and dominated by every outside force imaginable without producing anything of equal caliber, I don’t think there is a debate here! I don’t think you really know shit or a fuck about history.

          “Anyways, to everything you just posted: India opened up its markets two decades after China and over half a century after Japan, like I said. If you knew anything about Japan, you’d know it was occupied by the US subsequent to World War II.”

          Of course I know Japan was occupied by the U.S moron!! How the hell is that supposed to DISPROVE what I said about them? They got nuked twice and still managed to come out as a first world country with their own domestic self-sustaining economy. The Japanese were never colonized by any outside force and the occupation doesn’t count previous to that. India was colonized by the British but they didn’t “open” their markets, everything they had was taken from them by the Brits and Muslims raiders (very easily I might add).

          Do you not have any understanding of logic moron? If you knew two fucks about history, not the brainwashed Indian version of it, but actual real history, you would know neither Japan nor China actually “opened” up their respective markets to outsiders. They were forced to by foreigners and by gunboat diplomacy (Admiral Perry/U.S foreign treaties). However Japan and to a lesser extent China, were smart enough to kick out Christian missionaries that were trying to install a foreign thought control device in their borders; however shithole India had large masses of people dominated by foreign sources due to how shitty their nation and everything was.

          Japan is small island nation with very little resources and nothing in geographical terms to offer, compared to India at least; yet they have one of the world’s most efficient, clean, developed and healthiest societies in the entire world. They were so good, they had to get nuked twice and almost kicked out the British and Dutch from Asia permanently. Did India do anything of that caliber or even come back from the effects of colonialism? No they became slumdog shitville and they can’t host any international event without it turning into a shit fest. Seriously there is no comparison there, India just plain sucks and it’s people suck.

          “But the truth is you don’t know anything about history, whether its India’s, Japan’s, or even America’s. So you’re wasting my time. Thanks for helping me realize I’m talking to a community college graduate. (Though in truth I probably should have realized this much earlier.)

          Sorry, but there’s no reason for me to either read your posts or respond anymore.”

          Yes the truth is that you don’t know absolute fuck about what you are talking about. You can’t argue with me because you don’t have the intelligence or logic level to even be on an equal footing as me, as you illustrated perfectly by your candid responses. There is no reason for you to argue because really the truth is that I’m perfectly accurate in my assertions, and you really don’t have the reasoning capability, the guts, or even the fucking brains to argue back at me. I don’t have a reason to waste my time with this idiot pretentious slumdog so I guess I am not going to.

          Now run along Slumdog!! Go home and disappear, get some toilet paper to wipe your ass and build some toilets in India. By the way don’t argue about colleges when every single advanced institution in the country was not started by Indians but by Whites, which you came to; so get the hell out of my country and go build your imaginary warp drives and plasma generators in your own country, I am sure they need it!!!! Last of all don’t argue with people who are above you and far superior to you in every way possible to a slumdog and don’t waste our time here either!!!! GTFO Slumdog boy shoo shoo shoo!!

        • Steve

          @seriously?

          “India opened it’s markets 20 years after China did (centuries after the US did) and already dominates all forms of research.”

          hahahahahahahahahaha

          SERIOUSLY?

        • Steve

          @seriously?

          “Basically, the high castes in India are much smarter than whites and Asians, which I feel is a given.”

          Prove it. Its not a given.

          “But even the average street vendor in India could, with a decent education and proper nutrition, go to elite college in the US and outperform your cognitively uninclined white/Asian/whatever-you-are brethren.”

          Why doesn’t the vendor go to an elite Indian college. if Indians are so much smarter than whites/Asians/Jews, surely they have better colleges. What…they don’t? Oh I see.

          To help you find one anyway, here is a list of the top 400 universities in the world:

          http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html

          Clue: 317th.

          hahahahhaha too easy.

        • Car Guy

          @Steve,

          Yea, I read that part too. My first reaction was “what the fuck? This guy is nuts.” What the hell are those Indians researching and where are the results of this research? A space program — supposedly better than the U.S. and EU’s programs, lol — with a high failure rate is not a good example.

      • AlanJ

        I had this as a signature for my e-mail account at grad school several decades ago

        “From Brahma Sutras to Kama Sutras; And From Steely Dan to [Some S-stuff I dont remember], you can find the Spread Spectrum S___ K___”

        I have traveled the world over atleast major civilizations, had the fortune to be associated with a premier research lab in NJ met a lot of interesting people, Been into Kundalini Yoga for over 25 years raised on Hindu Philosophy all life, read a lot of books on all matters good and bad. I have great experience.

        But, realizing GOD, and knowing why I am here and for what purpose I am here on Earth, What I need to do etc is surreal.

        “What I found out was USA gave you a false sense of freedom” .

        The previous comment summarizes how the west is damaging its DNA. Its irreparable damage. You will discover it in your lifetime.

      • AlanJ

        I recollect the other “S” to be Spinoza. Great stuff.

  16. Gay State Girl

    Gay Area Guy
    There is a deception about European or East Asian education. They don’t tell you that a significant percentage of European or East Asian students are enrolled in vocational schools, and are not part of the national exams. They also don’t tell you that college preparatory students are streamed into various academic tracks, based on their performance and don’t participate in exams outside their given track. They don’t tell you that students’ secondary academic grades is based on standardized exams taken during the final two years of secondary school, rather than their performance throughout their 6-7 years of secondary school. And they ridicule Americans for NCLB.

    • Bay Area Guy

      That, and they don’t tell you that those countries have significantly different racial demographics.

      • Gay State Girl

        I considered that too, but the percentages of minorities under the age of 18 is probably much higher than the general population.

        I got interested in debunking the myth, because I took an Education class last year, and the teacher spent the whole time discussing the supposed inferiority of the US Education system, aside from the usual rce baiting. My teacher was open to new ideas though. I also met a French international student who told me she was not even allowed to study math and science during her last two years of high school, because she scored below 80% on the necessary placement test, so she did not take the equivalent standardized tests.

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  18. Steve

    How to guarantee a monster debate in the comments section: write a post about India.

  19. Dota

    As usual the Hindutvadis have dragged another entry into the gutter so I’ll try and salvage this thread by staying on topic.

    BAG mentioned something about rote learning and this is a good place to begin. Yes, its true that Indian education emphasizes rote learning however the reasons have little to do with lack of funding (and similar nonsense) but rather stem from culture. Historically, Indian education was concerned with memorizing and preserving the vedas. Since the Brahmin has always been the keeper of culture (by monopolizing literacy) this method of learning has been passed down through generations without being questioned. Teachers (Usually Brahmin gurus) could not be questioned and demanded abject obedience from their pupils (usually other Brahmins, but not always). The notion of the pupil walking shoulder to shoulder with the teacher as equals challenging one another (Plato/Confucious) is alien to Indian culture. As Aakar Patel correctly observes, the Indian is a passive receiver of culture and the traditional guru generally demanded a tribute from his pupils known as “guru dakshin.” A charming example comes from the Mahabharat where the Guru Teacher Drona refuses to admit the shudra caste Pupil Eklavya into his archery school. Eklavya eventually self teaches himself archery and even outdoes Drona’s star pupil Arjun. Drona sees Eklavya as a threat and consents to take the low caste pupil under his wing provided that Eklavya gives Drona his right thumbs as Guru Dakshin. Eklavya does so without hesitating and thus permanently cripples himself. Total obedience. Ofcourse this incident is also a lovely example of Hindu ethics in action as practiced by our friends the Brahmins, the paragons of virtue. Cow is atman > morality. But I digress.

    • Bay Area Guy

      @ Dota

      I hear that professors at Indian universities are still overwhelmingly Brahmin/high caste.

      In fact, I recently read an article somewhere about growing suicides among dalit students at Indian universities.

      • Dota

        Indian Teachers come from various castes nowadays (My pre-cal proff was from the Nair caste) however India’s intellectual class is still predominantly Brahmin (writers, journalists, intellectuals ect). This will take a while to change (IF it changes)

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