A Black Afrocentrist commenter writes:
On the other hand, there is no evidence that the ancient Egyptians migrated into or invaded the African continent, all evidence proves that they were an aboriginal African people, all of their text point to the Upper Nile – Sudanic and Nubian origins, and their identifiable presence as a people, city-state, and the center of their dynastic empire ranges over thousands of years in one geographic location, Africa!
Any degree of non-African blood or “non-Black blood” that was evident in Egypt came from outside the African continent, and until the Ptolemaic Greeks, most invaders presence were short-lived and eventually repelled.
Again, there is no evidence of any large non-African populations migrating into ancient Egypt even during invasions, let alone creating an 91% Indo-European population that would have overwhelmed ancient Egypt’s genetic foundations, which was African! Absolutely unfounded and impossible!
From early Greek scholars and historians, to religious text, to today’s prominent researchers, all have repeatedly cited overwhelming evidence that Ancient Egypt was a product of ancient Africa and that the people were consider, Black and African…and if anyone look at the great Spinx face and see any other features but that of an phenotypical sub-Saharan African, then they intentionally deluding themselves.
They are Caucasoids. North African Caucasoids. Caucasoids have been in North Africa for a very long time, since the birth of the Caucasian race 42,000 YBP. The ancient Egyptians probably originated from this ancient Caucasoid stock, mixed with a small amount of Black. Reconstructions of ancient Egyptian faces do not resemble Negroid faces. Paintings on Egyptian walls show the Egyptians as a golden skinned people different from White Caucasians of Libya and from Black people of Nubia.
The ancient Egyptians also wrote about Blacks as a foreign people who were often used as slaves. The Egyptians commented that Blacks were not very smart, but they were great athletes, entertainers and musicians. Some things never change!
~15,000 YBP, a large movement of ancient Caucasoids moved down from Europe into North Africa, displacing the Blacks and pushing them down further into Africa.
And the ancient Caucasoids in the Horn region have a very ancient pedigree dating back ~42,000 YBP. Genetic and skull studies show that ancient Egyptians were a largely Caucasoid race that probably no longer exists, but that is most closely related to Egyptians today who are 91% Caucasian and 9% Black.
The closest people genetically to the ancient Egyptians are the Copts of Egypt. If you look at Egyptian Copts, they are definitely not Black people. The ancient Egyptians were definitely not Black, but they were a part-Black people, that is for certain.
Alpha Unit
jacobbauthumley
Robert Lindsay
When people refer to Egyptians as a Caucasian race, most people automatically think white since the word Caucasian in contemporary American usage is highly correlated white white people. Most N. Americans have no idea that the guy with the turban and dot on his forehead at the 7/11 is just as Caucasian as Taylor Swift. I think what Afrocentric Egyptologists are irked about is the white-washing of the civilizations of ancient Egypt. Let’s be honest, whites have been as ludicrous in the past as some Afrocentrists are, portraying Egyptians in media imagery as being lily white Europeans even though Egyptians portray their own skin color as copper.
“The Egyptians commented that Blacks were not very smart, but they were great athletes, entertainers and musicians.”
That’s quite a bold claim and I’d like to have that substantiated. I think you mentioned this once before and I asked you for a reference and you never provided one.
ps – how do I enable block quotes on your blog? I tried using the quote tags between both “” and “[]” but it didn’t work.
Use the HTML blockquote tag, or use the italic tag.
If you Google for some pictures of Copts, you can see what the ancient Egyptians looked like. We had a couple working at a pharmacy near me. They weren’t exactly European White people!
The Copt people aren’t indigenous Egyptians. They migrated to Egypt just like the Arabs. Google
Genetic variation and population structure of Sudanese populations as w w w . ncbi . nlm . nih . gov
The ‘Egyptians’ which you refer to of today are not the Ancient Egyptians of today’s world. 1100 B.C. the arabs invaded Egypt and this is where the Egyptians are no longer just Black, for they were Black. if your just googling information this information is not as accurate as it may seem. I am able to read the text of these ancients and they said it themselves that they had black skin. in the hebrew torah you can also find discriptions of the egyptians considering the jews lived there for centuries before leaving to caanaan.
For sure, Egypt were never black, at least in the dynastic periods. Regarding the Copts, i am sorry to disappoint you that DNA studies of Copts show non-uniform patterns. They are never a pure race. They are as varied as Muslims, unless you are well-informed that Copts literally mean Egyptians not a specific religion.
That quote comes from my mother. I don’t suppose she has a source for it though. If you read accounts of European explorers to Africa, they say much the same thing.
Genetic studies has shown that Nubians are the closest people ethnically to Ancient Egyptians which is why the culture is similar. Which is why the major DNA haplogroup in Egyptians especially in the South is haplogroup E – YDNA. They have the same deitie,s same type of buildings and there are more pyramids in Nubia than in Egypt. Even West Africans have Ancient Egyptians ancestry such as the Yoruba, Igbo, Dogon and several other tribes who trace their lineage back to 4th and 5th dynasties. Even former Ghana King TenkAMENin name is similar to King TutankhAMEN. Also S. Africa activist Desmond TUTu name is similar to King Tut. There are tribes in Ethiopia such as The Hamer who wear the Feather of Maat and have same hair styles as ancient Egyptians, they even wear red ochre like the Egyptians did basically the culture originated in Ethiopia as thats were life itself originated from. DNATribes posted on their website (DNATribes.com) in early 2012 that the Amarna Pharaohs genetic origins are from S. Africa, W. Africa and African Great Lakes. The Zulu’s even say they migrated out of Egypt due to their leadership of Nguni. Even today the Zulu priest wear the leopard skin just like the ancient Egyptian priest have. The origins of the ancient Egyptians are from S. East Africa as they left plenty of documentation and artifacts to point their roots out. I think its time for Europeans to let go of the white Egypt. My question is why does Europeans care so much about Egypt when they have Greece and Rome to look back on? Ancient Egyptian color was as diverse as Africans in general are today. For example the Khoisans aka Bushmen are golden complexion and they are some of the oldest people on Earth. So the gold people you are looking at on the reliefs are ultimately the Khoisan who happened to be Animist just like the Ancient Egyptians. The Khoisan migrated all over Africa and outside of Africa just like the Twa Pygmies and other pygmy population. Same goes for the Kushites aka Ethiopians. Yes Africans come in a variety of hues as they are the most diverse ethnic group however they place themselves under that “black” umbrella because they realize that the 1st people on the Earth were black and they know Africans in general are direct descendants of the 1st people. Even today you can see Queen of Shebah III wearing the golden head crown of Hathor/Isis. She has a website and is active on Facebook and even twitter. Lastly there was no Caucasians or white people around 40K yrs ago. Scientific studies show that Europeans skin turned pale only recently circa 6K yrs ago. The 1st people in Europe were Africans of dark skin complexion. It would have taken many yrs and generations for a population of whites to play any role in developing a nation. Also Egypt climate is too hot to support the skin type of a typical European aka Caucasian aka white person as skin cancer would have been a big killer to some one of white skinned, even albinos can’t survive the hot climate and albinism does occur in Africa. Robert Bauval who was born in Alexandria and is the writer of “Black Genesis” states that the builders of the Egyptian Empire were of black African aka Sub Saharan origin. The findings of Nabta Playa have played a role in shedding light to that. There are even recent findings of a 200K yr old civilization in S. Africa in which Heru/Horus falcon statues have been found. So the culture of Egypt did not even originate in Egypt, it originated in Southern Africa. Also Robert Lindsay how can you refute the reports given by Herodutus who stated the Egyptians were black with wooly hair, Diodorus who stated the Egyptians were a colony sent out by the Ethiopians or by Count Volney who supported Herodotus and even said the face of the Sphinx fits that of the typical Negro. . Matilda blog is not credible as she has no credentials to even back up her postings. She pieces different findings but here posts actually contradict her own motives. She states work of Keita but Dr. Keita clearly says that the ancient Egyptians mummies fit those of tropical and desert body structures that mainly Africans posses especially those of Sub Saharan in origin. Ever heard of the Mangbetu tribe? Well they have elongated heads just like the elongated skulls of the Amarna time period such as King Tut and Akhenaten who happen to have S. African and Nubian roots. The Mangbetu are of the same bloodline. See you knock Afrocentrics but Afrocentrics are citing works that were revealed by your European breathern ie Diodorus, Count Volney, Herodotus. So Robert maybe you need to spend more time doing thorough research instead of living a pipe dream which leads no where but to a cess pool of bad information. Rahotep was shut down from youtube because people like me put forth the effort to refute him and shut him up. He was just a guy from the UK who was filled with racist ideology that black Africans never accomplished anything, well that is an oxymoron because black Africans are the mothers and fathers of humanity. So I guess Rahotep aka Gordon Napier is NOTHING then. Even Sinead O’Connor has come out and wrote that all humanity originated in Africa and if it was not for Africans that everyone else would be nothing. She showed support to the Trayvon Martin vs George Zimmerman case….Good for Sinead bless her heart! And the word BLESS comes from the Nile deity BES!
Wow, even Sinead O’Connor?
From Left to Right- Syrian, Nubian, Libyian, Egyptian in Egyptian hieroglyphics:
http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/syrian-nubian-libyian-egyptian.gif
I’ll personally take the word of the ancient Egyptians over dishonest afro-centrics who falsely claim everything from East to West.
Looks like some interesting stuff “Herututuankoma” but try to use paragraphs – I didn’t ‘make it’ to the end
also some of that stuff looks a bit anecdotal to me….
You seem to have some serious backing of your theory, but let me share the problems that are evident to me right away. 1) Ancient Egyptian race controversy in Wikipedia demonstrates big scientifically based disagreement on the issue. From reading the article it seems to me that the Afro-centrist are loosing. We leave in a world in which it is politically incorrect for Afro-centrist to be loosing yet….Herodotus talks about the Danaians (ancient word for Greeks) came from Egypt & sort of forced the name on Ancient Greeks. This is confirmed by other Ancient Greek sources; Herodotus VI- 53 “..but if one enumerates their ancestors going back from Danae the daughter of Acrisios, the rulers of the Dorians will prove to be Egyptian by direct Descent..”; Strabo VII, 7. 1 “For Pelops brought colonists from Phrygia into the Peloponnesus, which took his name; Danaus brought colonists from Egypt;”; Pliny VII. LVI.195-198 “..wells by Danaus who came from Egypt to Greece to the region tliat used to be called Diy Argos..” Therefore Greeks should be blacks or at least have some genetics from Africa which does not seem to be the case. There is one highly contested study that says they do have African blood, but most say that they are white Europeans. So we either can’t trust all Ancient Greek sources or the Egyptians that came to Greece were not black or were mixed enough to be purely black! (2) Caucasian or Aryan, does not necessarily mean blond, white with blue eyes. Iranians are Aryans as is obvious even from the sounding of the name. There is a good percentage of Asian Indians that are Aryans. Both of those groups are pretty dark (maybe golden) & survive in hot climates without skin cancer. Actually the sun causing skin cancer is more or less a lie. In fact people with cancer including skin varieties need a lot of sunlight as a prerequisite of proper healing. Too much sun or anything else is not so good. Chemicals in sunblock creams are more responsible for skin cancer than anything else. (3) Cultural influence of Egypt all the way to South Africa is not surprising having in mind that finding of frozen ancient Aryan in Siberia had a body tattoo that was like from an Egyptian tomb & was rapped in a blanket the technique of making of which has last been seen on the Balkans in Europe. Combine that with the Romanian Sphinx & the findings of a likely Egyptian cult ruins by the village of Sitovo in Bulgaria & things are getting real messy. Dionysus is a cult that may have it’s origin in Ethiopia, Egypt or Thrace in Europe & was popular in Thrace, Greece & Egypt. There is an alternative historian that is claiming that a large mountain on the Balkans is really the biggest man made pyramid. The little archeological digging done there is not disproving the hypothesis so far. (4) You are making the argument that Caucasians did not develop in time to have created Ancient Egypt which totally depends on the Theory of Evolution being accurate. Well it is not! It is a working hypothesis that has scientifically been strongly challenged & dis-proven. The development of all humanity from blacks in Africa as a part of the Theory of Evolution is an act of Political Correctness today although in the past has been used as a corner stone of white supremacy & apartheid.
In conclusion it seems to me you really, really need and want Egypt to have been created and developed by blacks. It could be but the evidence is overwhelmingly against that so far. On the other hand I truthfully do not care!!! If there is definite proof that Egypt is the creation of black people I am fine with that. The problem is that Afro-centric science is more Propaganda than science in my opinion. I am not saying that a lot of the Afro-opponents are not also into Propaganda.
Okay, your post is a year old, but I feel compelled to correct you. You seem to be the White inversion of an afrocentrist and afrocentrists are idiots. Now, where to begin? Well, first off, that Romanian Sphinx you speak of is a natural rock formation. Also, the Out of Africa theory is not the product of politically correctness. It is good science. Numerous genetic studies, paleontology, paleo-geography and various serious studies in other disciplines all suggest an African point of origin for all human groups. You even question evolution. That’s good; scientific theories are meant to be questioned. And guess what? The theory of evolution has been questioned, tested, retested, poked and prodded and it still holds up very well. In fact, it’s one of those rare theories in science that is so well-supported and internally consistent that it approaches a law of nature.
The MANGBETU shape their skulls from infancy.
I would love to know how you researched so mny truths about ancient egypt, as an african studies major I want to know the real story of our story…..
I think your response well written, well spoken, and quite convincing… except that Tut was shown to have European DNA, Ramses had naturally red hair, and many mummies have red or blond hair. Clearly, Nefertiti was not typically African, and Cleopatra was Greek. You have to put this into your otherwise interesting thoughts.
No King Tut was not white. That was debunked by DNA Tribes a while ago. King Tuts DNA was pretty much completely Sub-Saharan. Sorry to bust your bubble…
According to Jean Francois Champollion ( French archaeologist) who deciphered the Rosette Stone which indicated that ancient Egyptians in their own handwriting stated that they came from the highlands of Ethiopia. People living in the Horn of Africa ( East Africa) do have mid-brown to brown complexions with caucasoid feathers; much like people from modern day countries of Somali, Ethiopia, and djibouti. Not all black people are negroid. Some are caucasoid, austroloid, or a half way between both penotypes. The Copts of Egypt are mixed with people of Greek and other Mid-eastern ancestry and would not be a good example of how the ancient Egyptians looked. The Beji people of southern Egyptian would more closely related to the ancient people of Egypt. Ancient Egyptians civilization was original found by people who traveled from south east Africa who followed the river north and then intergrated with nomes of lower egypt to establish the Kingdom. During later periods of history outside populations called ( hyskos) moved into to Egypt mixing with the indigenous population and becoming a melting pot. Nubians from the south of Egypt and northern Sudan where conscripted into the Egyptians army and culture accompanied with Libyans and other populations from the Levant ( middle east) who varied in skin tones from light to dusky to dark. Due to the continued flow of people from surrounding countries skin complexion varied; but for the most part many of the ancient egyptians where dark and would be considered black by modern standards. The ancients Egyptians had a 3,000 year history. Greeks and Romans did not conquer Egypt until later part of the dynasty era around 500BC. The Arab invasion took place in 700AD and through migration and replacement change the Egypt population. The original name of Egypt is Khem, Cham or the land of Ham.
dont listen to the author of this article because if he was truly a researcher he would know that ancient egyptian skeletons fit for the negroid(african race) skull and egyptians used copper gold as representation of purity and i am african, 15 with a gpa of a 4.2 i am the #1 in my school (as of gpa) with the highest eoct and pre sat scores in the school and most of my classmates are white(european descendents) so i want you to know you are wrong for demeaning my ancestors achievements and have you even been to egypt to figure that out(no) but i have you slandered my race but i wish u the best!!!!!!
You have got to be kidding me. Those very negroid features of Egypt resemble some of the negroes from the block! Obviously you placed your anti negroid glasses on to do this report! I am Black and possess an above average intelligence. What about all the dumb white people in trailer parks out there? Whatcha got to say about them? By the way, they line dance very well. Ps , what about the smart black doctors ,lawyers and engineers so on in society. You sound very dumb. If your theory was true, how did they succeed ? Was it through placing a white brain in each day before attending the university? You make me pee my pants! One thing about being black, I’ve been around enough of them to know what our features look like. When Europeans began excavating those tombs and found those black faces, they immediately started to come up with the bullshit your just wrote! These white men did not know after slavery and bondges were inflicted against the black race , they were going to uncover a civilization that was going to make every lie they spoke about our intelligence dissipate!
Banned again sweetheart.
Well said Jennie,
Dennis
UK
Dennis, you ignorant slut, England was one of the latest countries to start slave trading (1672) they formed the royal african trading nation…before that, the protugese and spanish were notorious for slave trade, and were sold black slaves by the west africans, thats recent history…Eygptians are not negroids…how many races are there Dennnis? sub saharans, east african -nilo, maybe cushitic/chadic….the egyptians of old…thousands of years ago, are not the blacks walking around in the united states….sure people were dark, look at the walls of the tombs…the only dark skinned I see is the nubians…and what the hell is wrong with some DNA exploring? maybe one could only go back so far…or find little traces here in there…who iknows what the future holds…but for some people on this site, to want to whiten up or darken up cultures…too bad for them…it all sounds like, mine is better than yours, school bs…and to say that the evidence is out there, but scholars and such dont want to give it to the blacks is bull hocky…whats wrong with doing DNA and perhaps seeing if, cushitic/chadics or what ever…is egyptian, but my monies on…their race went out a long time ago….to say that neffertiti looks like one of the bi-racial women we have in the states…what the hell is that saying? only that, since slaves were bought here, they have had, white/european genes…voila beyonce…but what did those negros look like when they came during this countries slave time…black as night, and very african…thats not egyptian…if you want to go that way, by what alot of people here argue about…facial feature….there are so many factors, and alot of info, needs to be looked at…from ABC, to DNA, to what ever crops up….I’ll say it again…ancient egyptians are not the blacks living today…in eygpt…say what you will, Iam of the school, that disagree’s …tiime line is off,
There are LOTS of really really dumb white people. Right now, America has one of the most intelligent president’s ever. This is not about racial superiority, its about accuracy. The earliest founders of Egypt were the megalith builders who created great cities all over the globe. They were not indigenous to Egypt, or South America, either for that matter. No one alive can claim them…they are gone, and we do not know where they came from, but they were a lot more intelligent than anyone living today. After they left, there were several different genetic clusters that came to rule Egypt over the many centuries. The best we can do is figure out who the great megalith builders were. Lets all stop trying to claim a heritage that belongs to everyone.
If they were black, where did the straight hair come from? and what difference does it really make anyway? We are all made in Gods image.
“The Egyptians commented that Blacks were not very smart, but they were great athletes, entertainers and musicians.” Some things never change! Are you insane? How could you have been around 3,500- 4000 years ago to hear such a comment, besides the Egyptions of Ancient Antiguity never wrote about there history as to the origin of their race and the hieroglyphs have never been deciphered, as far as copper skin tone sure their were various depictions symbols art etc,
Studies show that the dominate population here in America and especially in Europe has always wanted the claim everything for them selves while excluding historical fact out of ancient Kemit. So they made up alot of stories as they traveled, meaning the so called europeans or white explorers, when they got there black people were already there, some kind of black people, yellow people or red, brown etc.
Every body they ever found, (europeans) every tomb they ever raided they found something symbolic of the black man, features, mouth, hair, nose, if you do your research you will find that the black man is the root of civilizations. Research will tell you the alphabet science math and architecture medicine came out of kemet (eygpt) if you can disprove any of what I am proclaiming I welcome you do so because I will provide evidence at the conclusion.
Over the last 1000 years their has been a protracted effort to make sure that what we have done was eraced irrevocably from the minds of all our people, then came alexander the greek the first known Europeon, up til that period Kemit was ruled and bulit by blacks under the diraction of black Pharaohs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfW9Wp-8Q4
This is a response to most if not all of the comments made about the appearance or race of the Egyptians. First of all, the use of the word Egyptian clearly shows how the arguments made are lacking in substance and removed from facts of reality. I am from Merita (misnomer Africa). I still speak the language of the ancient Khem (as we would prefer to be called). The region to which you refer as Egypt we know it as Itoure. This area included the Hapi Valley, parts of Europe, middle east and Indus Kush. Egypt is a word derived from Heg-Ptah/Hej-Ptah which means the rising of Ptah from within. The word Africa is a derogatory term which the Greeks gave to us the Khem people as a spat for calling them Greek. The word Greek is derived fro the Medu word: Grer-Ka which means dark soul. Africa on the other hand comes from a Medu word: Afri-ka meaing burning/smoldering soul. This they did after invading our lands and spent time in the initiation temples. These are facts, not emotional utterances based on some racial bias of superiority. Those of you claim that caucasians are the ancient Khemioo of Itoure, my question to you is why are you not speaking and writing the language today? What is the origin of the Medu if you are descent from those who first spoke it? According to the history of my people ( the history which the caucasian races will not docuument), the caucasian races invaded our lands and forbade our people to speak/write the language or be put to death. The observations made by “caucasian” explorers which led them to conclude that my people were Ethiopians is not rooted in facts. Why should a history written by a people who are known to have gone around to this day terrorizing other human beings, stealing, plundering, robbing, raping, pillaging, enslaving, renaming a people, committing mass genocide etc, be more credible than that told by victims? Let me guess! It must be because they are white, superior, intelligent and therefore their research, scientific analysis, archeology etc is credible. And any other method of investigation which does not follow rules that they have established and imposed on others must by default be unreliable. There are pyramids all over the planet and these were built after the people of those lands received civilizing principles from the Khem people. My comments are just snippets. The rest of the factual history of who we are can be found in our secret initiations that had to be protected due to barbarism. Lastly to all: We are all human and posses the same capabilities of barbaric behavior as those who are now ruling and being destructive.
Profound…….every word resonates with truth……i need not look further
If you truly believe the nonsense that you wrote above can you kindly give us the names and images of the first three Egyptian pharaohs or images of these pharaohs you talk about? And also explain how America, Australia & New Zealand became ‘White”since you claim it is not [possible for invaders to overrun the indigenous people?
Hey, who ever told you it is not possible for invaders to over-ride indigenous folk. To the contrary. Egypt is too hot for a semi-white race to originate from there. Egypt is even hotter than the tropical African countries like Nigeria and Congo!.
If you’re so “learned” you would know that Egypt was not always a desert and supported human life BEFORE it became arid. Not to mention, white people can live just fine it arid environments. Your assertions are laughable.
My second hand experience with Afrocentrist is that many of them are religion ridden and are members of Nation of Islam.
Apparently Egypt being black in antiquity is a tenant of their religion. That they are impervious to any facts from science should come as no surprise.
This blog while still up, has not been updated since June 2010. However, follow the link, read some of the articles and comments and you may see why I do not bother arguing with an Afrocentrist.
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/?s=egypt
Matilda’s Anthropology blog is an excellent source, but she did have a few quirks. I really did feel that she was anti-Black. She was very much anti-Afrocentrist though, that is for sure. And she was very, very smart.
Have you read Gordon Napier?
What does he have to say?
He made an account Rahotep1, dedicated to dispelling the afrocentrists version and usurpation of Egyptian history. He felt comfortable making some bold charges about Africans (nothing good ever came out of Africa) under the protection of a “pseudo-pseudonym” but quickly closed that account after he realized it was useless to argue with these people and after he realized he got discovered by the institution he was affiliated with.
No one really takes the Afrocentrists or feminazis seriously. I don’t know why anyone would consider them a threat or invest any energy into arguing with them.
this is just silly………..so ur mom is the source for that stupid quote about blacks not being very smart………..etc………….but u dont know the real source? your mother is a racist and a liar.
Black man, you are banned. My mother has a 145 IQ and she attended two years of law school at US Berkeley’s Boalt Hall. She’s a good source, but you are right, that I ought to track down a better source than someone’s word of mouth. I have a feeling she is right though, and she’s no more racist than any typical liberal White person.
A high IQ and a law degree doesn’t automatically make one a reputable Egyptologist. But I’m sure you knew that.
I’d just like to know if the Egyptians really thought that or did it come from one of those early 20th century anthropology books that considered black people the missing link.
I will call her tonite and ask her where she got that quote from.
Cool. I’m quite curious.
I called her. She swears she heard it, but she doesn’t remember where. Must have been long ago too, because I have heard this from her since I was a kid.
Why does it hurt white people that something good came out of Africa or that black people are smart? Why would you try to argue if this was not true? I guess it is true what they say; “The truth hurts”. Why do these so-called “white” people, who are actually pinkish or sort of pale looking people, have a huge interest in painting a bad picture about the Africans? Just how exactly does it benefit them to put their time and resources into distorting the image of Africa? Well in all you do, just remember that we as Africans find your claims futile and won’t waste our time on your utter nonsense! The world may see the picture that you paint of us but it doesn’t chance the reality about Africa. You can paint as many bad pictures as you want but we here in Africa know the entire truth so it won’t affect us in anyway.
You can post as much crap as you want but the facts will always remain straight. Unchanged by time or any attempts of distortion.
Ok, Mr. Afreekan, you are banned. Now head on back to your Dark Continent. Africa’s history is so unremarkable that there’s no reason for us to make up lies to make them look bad. That they accomplished little in their history is simply evident. The truth works well enough. No need to lie about the non-accomplishments of Africans historically speaking.
I find it to be almost laughable to say that many “African-centrist” are members of the Nation of Islam or some sort of religious zealots.
So who do your average Eurocentrist follow?
What’s interesting is that after being subjected to years of Eurocentric textbooks in my youth that excluded every group of people’s accomplishments on the face of the earth to the absolute exultation of the white European and Western Civilization, whereas artistic depictions of all Indo-Europeans, let alone ancient Egyptians were all similarly portrayed and represented as whites of Northern European ancestry, I began my own research concerning this subject matter way before I had even heard of the Nation of Islam!
The first I had ever read of Egyptians being “Black” came by way of the accounts of historians of ancient Greece and other later European scholars, not African or so-called “Afro-centric” scholars.
If we’re going to input religiosity, it was the King James Bible that grouped Cushites of the Upper Nile valley and ancient Nubia, now parts of Southern Egypt, Ethiopia, and the Sudan with the ancient Egyptians, all being supposedly the descendents of Ham (Kem), along with the Canaanites of the Levant who were also described phenotypically and derogatorily as a “Black African people” in the Babylonian Talmud.
Western scientist and researchers of European ancestry developed and proved the Out of Africa theory, not a group Black religious fanatics or cultural zealots!
So be it science, religion, or early European chroniclers and historians, they perceived nothing about ancient Egypt that was relative to Europe, the Central steppes of Asia, or the Caucasus Mountains.
The racializing of modern genetics in favor of attempting to create a separately unique Caucasian race is bad science and a poorly subjective interpretation of the data.
The South didn’t win the Civil war and the descendents of Eurocentric revisionist, exclusionist, eugenicist, and racialist will not prevail either.
There are afrocentrists. Outside of the fertile imaginations of Afrocentrists, there are no Eurocentrists. No one is saying the Egyptians were white like Swedes. I’m certain that virtually everyone with an informed opinion would admit that Egyptians were dark. They would almost certainly have trouble getting a cup of coffee in 1950s Mississippi. But to say they were predominantly sub Saharan is complete nonsense.
And it’s a fact that almost all Afrocentrists are religiously motivated, usually by religions that are certifiably loony. I hear Elijah Muhammad is coming for you in his Muthaship, dubz! LOL.
There are plenty of Eurocentrics who are religious as well ie Christians and Jews. So your point Matt, is pointless. Fact is 2009 studies have shown that Nubians are the closest people ethnically to ancient Egyptians. Fact is in 2012 DNATribes has released that the genetic origins of the Amarna Pharaohs are from S. Africa, West Africa and African Great Lakes region. Fact is Queen Tiye, King Tut grandmother was of Nubian descent, she even had a temple built for her in Nubia. Fact is Diodorus a Greek scholar stated that the Egyptians were a colony sent out by the Ethiopians. Life originated in Sub Sahara Africa ie Ethiopa, Kenya, Tanzania region which means the ancient Egyptians were of Sub Saharan descent like all Africans. Some Eurocentrics act like Africans don’t have the right to trace their roots back 20k yrs and more. Honestly Africans don’t need permission or approval from Europeans as Europeans would not even exist on Earth without Africans. Did your parents need permission or approval from you when they wanted to do something with their lives? So why would Africans who are the mothers and fathers of humanity need permission from a person like you when it comes to how they go back to study their own history…NOT your story but THEIR Story!
Excellent point,I have been reading these replies after reading the above article after searching for the truth of the DNA findings, and i have come to the conclusion that the people who are denying the the ancestry of the ancient Egyptians(white people) are doing so without any facts or even logical reason.Just a smug almost offhanded way of saying that they take pleasure in trying to deny black people of anything.I knew when i saw the History channels “depiction” of the DNA test and later read that they dident publish all the results( see link)http://www.decodingtheheavens.com/blog/post/2011/01/20/Is-pharaoh-DNA-for-real.aspx that it was a wash.To these people facts don’t matter so don’t waste your time just understand that if they acknowledge the truth it would ruin there whole perception of the world.God is not white nor was Jesus nor are the Angles and yes white people neither where the Egyptians. LOL
I would like to know Matt and Robert Lindsay what you gain from demeaning black people(egyptians), does that make you look smart or superior? does it make you strong? Facts are facts and history cannot be altered. your ancestors defeated africans and colonized them(fact), they took with them the knowledge of the african, erased any african achievements and history, rendered us useless and uncompetitive, it is known all over the world what the european caucasian did to africa and their continued perpetration in the continent to this day, why are you persistant in proving that we are not the descendants of the egyptians while the geographical location, arts and cultural observation, archeological evidence is proof to the fact. why are you bent on keeping us down when we are actually down, does this fulfill your satisfaction. Robert if really we were nothing as a people your mother wouldn’t be concerned about our inability in other disciplines but entertainment, sports and physical activities. is that why your sisters are obsessed with our physical sexual abilities..lol Matt as you said..
Look Black man, you seem pretty agitated. Why don’t you go get yourself a 40 oz and guzzle it down. Then you will feel a lot better.
Meanwhile you are banned!
LOL Robert. You forget to suggest eating fried chicken with that.
Wow! Ancient Egyptians nor current Egyptians come from black heritage as you put it. There are many DNA studies that show them to be caucasoid. Not white per say, but caucasoid. You can look those up and read them . I do believe Queen Tiye to be black based on paintings, but that is only 1 family out of the entire history of Egypt Egyptians to this day do not even like blacks and use them to do menial work. Egyptians don’t appreciate other cultural groups trying to steal their history. They have a unique culture and Heritage to themselves.
The present-day Egyptians are off-spring of the invaders. Archeologists have found better pyramids in South Sudan, Nubia.
lol @ “the mothership”
Why are Copts closer to ancient Egyptians? Are not the Muslim Egyptians just descendants of Copts who became Islamified over the centuries? I doubt that real Arabs (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) settled or intermingled heavily in any of the non-Arabian (peninsula) “Arab” countries.
Copts have way less Black in them. They only marry their own kind, and they never kept slaves.
Are the Egyptian Copts that ran Ancient Egypt close relatives of the Dravidians that settled in India?
Hi, not genetically, but no one knows. We can’t see genetic links extending back that far very well.
Yeah there was someone saying the ancient Phoenicians may have resembled Brown Indians but bred heavily with the North Africans and other Europeans to form the present day Lebanese.
According to Jean Francois Champollion ( French archaeologist) who deciphered the Rosette Stone which indicated that ancient Egyptians in their own handwriting stated that they came from the highlands of Ethiopia. People living in the Horn of Africa ( East Africa) do have mid-brown to brown complexions with Caucasoid feathers; much like people from modern day countries of Somali, Ethiopia, and Djibouti. Not all black people are Negroid. Some are Caucasoid, Austroloid, or a half way between both phenotypes. The Copts of Egypt are mixed with people of Greek and other Mid-eastern ancestry and would not be a good example of how the ancient Egyptians looked. The Beji people of southern Egyptian would more closely related to the ancient people of Egypt. Ancient Egyptians civilization was original found by people who traveled from south east Africa who followed the river north and then integrated with nomes of lower Egypt to establish the Kingdom. During later periods of history outside populations called ( hyskos) moved into to Egypt mixing with the indigenous population and becoming a melting pot. Nubians from the south of Egypt and northern Sudan where conscripted into the Egyptians army and culture accompanied with Libyans and other populations from the Levant ( middle east) who varied in skin tones from light to dusky to dark. Due to the continued flow of people from surrounding countries skin complexion varied; but for the most part many of the ancient Egyptians where dark and would be considered black by modern standards. The ancients Egyptians had a 3,000 year history. Greeks and Romans did not conquer Egypt until later part of the dynasty era around 500BC. The Arab invasion took place in 700AD and through migration and replacement change the Egypt population. The original name of Egypt is Khem, Cham or the land of Ham.
For one the designation of Europeans as ‘Caucasian’ is based entirely on fantasy, regardless of so called linguistic tracing. The theory originated to back up the British idea of they being a lost tribe of Israel, and then put into the mouth of a eager and ambitious German anthropologist, because at that time anthropology in Germany was far advanced of any other, so it was a appropriate ‘branding’ to sell a propaganda yarn to other British scholars. His German colleagues considered Blumenbach a complete fool and a bought man…and the theory wasn’t established until the British used their propaganda arm to cement certain ideas they wished established after WWI.
Neither are the so called ‘exact’ science of genetics anything other than another propaganda hand tool. Genetics is only just established and so far has only really served as a plank to make logically laughable dives into the dumpster of preconceived and pre-ordained ideas.
All science has become a tool of the PTB. Example; physics and the recent work on quantum mechanics and computation. All this was done in the twenties….yet they revive it and slap a few possible hardware uses on it, and ‘bam’ someone puts his name to it and is credited with futuristic vision and given a Noble.
This circus of managed perception has gotten so bad they bring out a paraplegic idiot savant or retard, pervert confined to a wheelchair, who speaks through a voice box, write a book for him on ‘string theory’ (again string theory was fully thought out and formalized as hypothesis in the early 20th century) and put him on stage, give him a noble prize for his groundbreaking work, (which is just regurgitation)…perfectly confident of ahs and oohs instead of laughter and scorn.
Stephen Hawking is a circus clown, and so was Einstein, they are actors… copywrited figures to push forward larger ideas of what they want an impression on society as a whole. Since the formation of the Royal Society of Sciences – science has been deemed to important to be left to scientists and logical inquiry and is considered government property as a form of media.
The bottom line is all these avenues of inquiry are using tainted sources that should be used with great caution, for they are at best only partial truths. Any person of average intelligence can see the myriad of engravings and artifacts of ancient Egyptian providence tell a story that the only Negroes present were slaves. Yet everyone feels they have a nod (especially as sanctioned victim) to get into the action and make up the past, present and future according to their woes and wants.
Sorry about the long post
another bottom line is that even the most intelligent of us has only a very sketchy conception of what happened two weeks ago. Reconstructions of two weeks ago, much less two or three thousand years ago are almost like accounts of dreams – no matter how much societies lends its imprimatur and becomes militant in it’s certainty of ordained truths, time again they are proven completely and entirely wrong. The only lasting general truth is ‘everything is wrong.’
Statistically, the above axiom has proven %99.99 correct.
Think of how throughout history humanity looks back and takes note of how utterly deluded and phantasmal common knowledge was in all areas – yet each era is absolutely adamant they are cutting edge and possessed of eternal truth. Well this rule has held true for all of human history you can be assured the future will look back and see everything we think we know today is as primitive groping in the dark punctuated with flashes of imbecility.
Trust yourself and no one else – everything is wrong.
Egypt’s top archaeologist, Zahi Hawass was asked who really built the pyramids. He said “They were not from outer space and they were not black.” American Afro-centrists irritate him as much as New Agers combing ancient sites for “energy”.Both positions have about equal legitimacy. There is much evidence of migration into Egypt from both the east and west, and though there was definitely a short lived black dynasty in the New Kingdom, and certain kings were apparently black, it is nonsense to call the whole 3000 years a black civilisation. The ancient Egyptians depicted themselves differently from black africans. I’ve seen the Nefretiti bust. She was about as black as Salma Hyek. Twice in the Old Testament Moses the Israelite is mistaken for an Egyptian. The Israelites were, as we know, not black.
Get a load of these clowns lol
Zahi Hawass has been fired from Egypt antiquities he has never been a credible source. For him to say that “even tho Egypt is in Africa, that does not mean the Egyptians were Africans.” That was one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard, thats like saying “Even tho China is in Asia that does not mean the Chinese were Asians.” The head bust you commonly see of Nefertiti is a fake. The original reliefs show her with Nubian braids. Nefertiti is a Nubian name just like Nefertari who was of Nubian descent. The original people in Israel were Africans, Israel is right next door to Africa. Even today there is the Beta Israel people who originate from Ethiopia along with the Lemba people who are in Africa today. Also the bible is not a great source for history as it has been corrupted & revised more times than a Lindsey Lohan relapse. Moses never lived that is a fairy tale ie him parting an entire sea in half. But if you want to go off the fairy tale in the book it says he was from Ethiopia and even went back to Ethiopia to marry a wife. It seems you are caught up in the misrepresentation of history & literature even mythical stories due to Western Education who’s whole attempt was to distort history, literature and myths for social, economic and political gains. Wake up dude you have been lied too, if Presidents and other political leaders can lie don’t you think teachers and other curriculum writers can lie too? For example in the recent “Clash of the Titans” movie they have Andromeda being played as a lilly white when in the original written legend she was an Ethiopian princess born from an Ethiopian Queen and King. The original name of Egypt was “Kemet” for the Black people and for the Black land.
What happened to the whole “Dynastic Race” theory that used to be bandied around in the 1950s?
Thats great you getting your info from a lying thief that was arrested and his whole motive was to boos t tourism. Even the team who took the DNA samoples confirmed he liedstated king tut was caucasion.
Mike they are basing that on the supposedly R found on a screen shot from that T,V documentary on Tut but it was NEVER OFFICALLY RELEASED but that did not stop net trolls and Stormfronts types from running with that,the irony is that in Chad and Camaroon is where one finds the most underived R in Africa so jokes on them either way.
Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.
Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.
“Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two.”
(Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)
Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: “Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair.”
(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)
Easier to tell who they weren’t rather than who they were.
I doubt that the ancient egyptians were either african or caucasianoid. I’ve studied this subject at SOAS and most of the sources i looked at and most of my own tutors found little much to go on scientifically of culturally
My best guess is some dark skinned race , somewhat like a Cushitic speaker but with straight hair .
Or assuming that Sumerians were dark skinned as they called themselves the Black Headed People, the Ancient Egyptians could phenotypically have more in common with dark skinned ancient peoples stretching from Sumer to Elam to Indus. I am not saying they were the same race as these other people because linguistics does not show a connection, am only saying that from a phenotypic POV they (AE) likely more closely resembled these dark skinned ancient Easterners than others.
The tomb of Seti I which has fresco of the 4 races that Ancient Egyptians knew about shows them being different from Libyans (Berbers), Nubians and Asiatics (Asyrians). The Egyptian potray themselves as red/brown/ochre color and their beard is not caucasoid looking like the Asiatic’s and Libyan’s beard. The Nubian obviously looks different from the Egyptian in skin tone and features.
From what I read about the color of Egyptian males, on wall paintings, was that they were always painted, as an artistic convention, that red-brown color. The Egyptian women were usually depicted as pale yellow. The men and women were not of different races. You can’t tell what color ancient Egyptians were from the wall paintings. But there must have been a lot of racial mixing between Egyptians and the black nations around them. Egypt was conquered by a neighboring black nation twice, with black pharaohs placed on the throne. There are at least two sphinxes in honor of those pharaohs.
Ruth If one was to asked what color the Romans were,most would say “white” and most cases that would be true but as time passes by they would absorb more people who would become Romans, not not just slave or working class either,but religious figures,writers, high ranking soldiers and even an emperor or two,
Ex :Now when the confusion in the state was at its height, inasmuch as it was made known that there were three several emperors, Septimius Severus, Pescennius Niger, and Clodius Albinus, the priest of the Delphic Apollo was asked which of them as emperor would prove of most profit to the state, whereupon, it is said, he gave voice to a Greek verse as follows:
“Best is the Dark One, the African good, but the worst is the White One.”
p449 2 And in this response it was clearly understood that Niger was meant by the Dark One, Severus by the African, and Albinus by the White One. 3 Thereupon the curiosity of the questioners was aroused, and they asked who would really win the empire. To this the priest replied with further verses somewhat as follows:
“Both of the Black and the White shall the life-blood be shed all untimely;
Read more: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=1122&page=1#ixzz2IzUyoUfp
But if one were to ask were the Romans culturally European,or more correctly Mediterranean then that answer would be more precise. so then it was with ancient Kemet and most cosmopolitan civilizations, for at it’s core Kemet was African and sprang from an African populous as far south as the great lakes area,the Sahara and the Horn of Africa.
Hi, first post. I’ve been interested in Egyptology since I was a kid, to the extent of having bought Gardiner’s ‘Egyptian Grammar’ and learning the language. Which is not that difficult, compared with such languages as Latin, Classical Greek, Hebrew etc., and actually quite fun
There was definitely a pecking order, of which skin colour was a part, but it was closer to present-day Brazil than Apartheid South Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiye is an example of a dark-skinned woman with Nubian-like features who made it to the top.
Modern Copts, as you mention, only marry among their own kind and are visibly distinct from Muslim Egyptians, who vary between almost pure Copt all the way to almost pure Arab. The most notable characteristic is that many have broad shoulders and a narrow waist – exactly as depicted in Egyptian Art.
The most well-known and only depiction that has been exposed to the general public of Nefertiti (that you’re referring to) is the only depiction of her that has come under scrutiny as being a fraud. All other depictions of Nefertiti, including a computer-generated reconstruction of her skull by way of modern-day forensic science applied to x-rays reveals that of an African woman. That which I submit below was not the creation of any African-centered Egyptologist or artist.
When real science is properly applied to the evidence, not being swayed by prejudice, institutionalized racism, or distorted eurocentricity, then the truth in the end always prevails.
http://wysinger.homestead.com/files/nef-inside.jpg
As you can see, looking at that phenotype, Nefertiti looks nothing at all like a Black woman. Look at that long, tall, thin nose. Extremely Caucasoid feature. Now, I am not sure she is a European either, but she ain’t no Negroid African. She is probably some sort of indigenous North African Caucasoid.
hummm,,thats crazy because im black and i have a long thin nose so what your sayin is all black people have big flat noses?? im just trying to be clear about the point your making,,
Look man, this is 100% crap. Unless by “African” you mean “Egyptian.” Right. Nefertiti I assume was just a typical Egyptian woman. I read an analysis of skulls and genes in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. The genetic samples tested:
91% Caucasoid
9% Black African
The skulls lined up very well with the skulls of modern Egyptian people. I believe that the phenotype is best expressed in the Copts because they have the least Black admixture. The modern Egyptians are much more heavily admixed with Black than the ancients were. The moderns may be up to ~30% Black (not sure), but the ancients were only 9% Black. The Egyptian people have gotten much Blacker over time since the fall of the Dynasties.
Robert, I’m trying to figure out what modern and legitimate scientific study uses the shape of the nose alone to determine ethnicity, race, or genetic origins?
Being that it has been proven that Africa, the cradle of all mankind is the most genetically diverse region or continent on the face of the earth, sub-Saharan Africans exemplify just about every phenotype known to man, there is no one monolithic sub-Saharan African facial feature, hair texture, skin complexion, nose shape, or cranium; All human phenotypes are not only found in sub-Saharan Africa, but are derived from their most ancient sub-Saharan genetic predecessors.
The Ancient Egyptians looked to their beginnings in the South (the Upper Nile) not in the North or Asia.
I’m sorry Robert, a thin nose is not exclusively an European trait.
I think the picture itself, which was reconstructed by a “white” forensic scientist (not the Afrocentrist most here despise) speaks volumes, and most people can see that this is the facial representation of a woman that is still present throughout sub-Saharan Africa…and these more aquiline-featured unmixed African people, as seen today in Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Mali, Niger, Chad, Southern Egypt, and Rwanda view themselves as being Black Africans relative to all other sub-Saharan Africans on the continent.
But this is what I have always found absolutely fascinating, that throughout White Eurocentric history, excluding a few exceptions, Europeans colonizers, scholars, intelligentsia, and the general “White” population always referred to the Australoid, Dravidian, and every other group of dark-skinned non-whites as being “Black” and in many cases used other derogatory terms, same as directed at Black African people worldwide…so I guess it’s alright to postulate online that the East African, Australoid, Dravidian, and many of these other “non-white” people are truly Caucasians, while “white” society as policy refer to them or treat them in the real world as something different than any other Caucasian brethren because of their ancestry, features, and most obvious skin color.
Based on all I have read, heard, and studied, it’s obvious that the Aborigines of Australia didn’t get the memo, putting them on the same footing as their white Australian Caucasian counterparts. They are refer to as “Blacks” and not Caucasians, and in most cases, refer to themselves as being “Black people.”
This whole “dark-skinned proto-Caucasian” myth is really convoluted, disingenuous, and has never had much appreciable merit to those who some “whites” desire to incorporate and manipulate within this myth.
Most Australoids by skulls are Asians. A few Australoids by skulls are Caucasoids by genes. Some Australoids by skulls, Aborigines and Papuans, are also Australoids by genes.
All Dravidians are Caucasoids genetically, and most are Caucasoids on skulls.
East Africans are very interesting. They are usually tossed into Blacks or Africans, but true Horners are quite honestly a completely separate race that is neither Black nor White. We can do this separation on a clear genetic basis. What race the skulls of the Horners fall into, I have no idea. The Horners are VERY different and best seen as a race in between Black Africans and Caucasoids.
All of the racial groups – Caucasoids, Africans, Australoids and Asians, form in general very nice compact groups in which we can differentiate out these races genetically very easily.
The proto-Caucasoids may well have been dark skinned. We don’t know. White skin only goes back 11,000 years in Europe. Before that, Caucasoids were probably quite a bit darker.
East Africans are 1st and foremost Africans. Now you use the word “black” but you fail to realize that with that word come diversity. Africans in general are the most diverse ethnic group that there is on Earth. Even Cornell University has researched that and reported it with their findings that “Whites are genetically weaker than Blacks” I agree with Dubbz that Aboriginals in Australia have been thrown into the category as being “black people”. In fact they were part of the migration of Africans who left Africa circa 70K yrs ago. When the British invaded Australia they killed off the Aborigines and treated them just as bad as they did Africans back on the mother continent and even the Redman Indians. When you use the word “black”hat exactly do you mean? There are Aborigines in Australia who are darker than Wesley Snipes. The Dravidians are very dark as well same as the Negritos of Asia. See “blacks” if you want to use that word are not just subject to Africa or even America, in fact it was those “blacks” who were the 1st people on Earth and 1st to migrate the Earth. It really Eurocentrics who like to mislabeled things so they can shrink the numbers of “blacks” so they can try to use their diametrical view of life all for exploitation and their financial gains. In all honestly why should Europeans feel as if their word overseas the original people to walk this Earth?
Sorry about this, Dubz – I’m not casting doubt on YOUR integrity, but…
This is a photograph of the banqueting scene from the tomb of Nebamun and Ipuky:
http://www.fulcrumgallery.com/product-images/AAABQAQA-P690936.jpg
And this is a portion of the scene as it appears on the Afro-centric blog To-Seti:
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/A81.jpg
One Afro-centric blog posting doctored images where Egyptian red ochre is replaced by lamp black doesn’t prove that ALL Afro-centric blogs are fraudulent, I know that, but what is going on?
By the way, Robert, the American Journal of Physical Anthropology is online if you are still interested in reading it. The full monthly edition is available for download and the abstract can be read online at;
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)1096-8644
Nefertiti was probably Tiye’s daughter-in-law. Not even a blood relation. I have to say ‘probably’ because historical revisionism has a history almost as long as, well, history. However, both were depicted frequently in art, and they look nothing alike.
And I forgot to mention – Egyptians typically did not have straight hair, more wavy or a bit curly, like modern North Africans. The mummies of Tiye’s parents, both amazingly well preserved, and many other mummies, show this. Hair was normally very short, the elaborate headdresses you see were wigs. They must have been unbearable to wear – putting on the headdress, the false beard, and, in earlier dynasties, the tail, must have taken ages and the ceremonies were surely not short.
If you spend the small amount of money and take the not extensive amount of time to learn to read the language, you will be pleasantly surprised at how human Ancient Egyptians were. While most inscriptions are of the bombastic form you will find on Roman Triumphal Arches and Communist-era newspapers, the less formal stuff (ostraka and the like) are a bit wooden sometimes, but you get the feeling of a people with a fairly dry sense of humour, and capable of taking a joke against themselves. The mother-in-law joke, it seems, is as old as writing. Probably as old as marriage.
Hieroglyphics, commonly perceived as a first crude attempt at writing and not a very good one, are actually quite good for representing the language. Firstly, a rarely-used symbol is quite often spelled out; and there is always the determinative to give you a clue. So if you come across something lthat looks like a mongoose strangling an iguana, and you can’t find it in the dictionary, it will almost certainly be followed by a full or partial spelling out, So (I’m making this example up) you come across nwt and you can’t find it in the dictionary; but it’s actually written nwt.nw.female determinative. Single female nouns end in -t. This gives you the clue that the unfortunate iguana is probably a female name and the writer has just made you familiar with another hieroglyph. Wasn’t that helpful of him?
When you see tourist guides reading obelisks to tourists – they may have just memorised it, but they may not be faking it. It’s only a hobby for me, but I can sight-read hieroglyphs in a way I wish I could sight-read music. Of course, I can always stop and consult the dictionary, which I can’t with music.
Surely the biggest problem with the written language is the absence of vowels. Apart from a consonantal y and a consonantal w, there’s only a glottal stop with no indication of which vowel-sound it introduces. As a consequence no one really knows what the language sounded like, and even the most recent transliterations are partly guess-work. No sooner have you got used to Sebeknefrure than she reappears as Sobknofru. Likewise Hatshepsut becomes Hashepsowe, Senusret becomes Senwosre, and Radjedef becomes Djedefre. One thing has always intrigued me – perhaps you can help me. There doesn’t seem to have been an ‘L’ sound in the Egyptian language. I can’t think of a single royal name with a letter L in it until the advent of the Ptolemies, and they of course are Macedonians.
I seem to recollect that Sir Alan Gardiner decided the feminine ending -t wasn’t voiced. Am I right?
Just once the Egyptians let us down and didn’t spell out an unusual sign. The predecessor of King Narmer is denoted by a drawing of a scorpion, but no consonantal signs follow it, and because we have no idea what the early dynastic word for a scorpion was, we have to content ourselves with calling him the Scorpion King.
Was the mother-in-law joke you referred to the one where a man’s mother-in-law is sitting in the shade of his sycamore tree when a branch falls off the tree and kills her, and when his neighbour hears about it he comes round to the house and asks if he can have a cutting from the tree? The Egyptians must have had a wicked sense of humour. Have you ever read Herodotus’s account of his visit to Egypt during the Persian occupation? If you haven’t, then you must. The Persians gave him an Egyptian guide to show him round, and that guide must have really taken the piss, because Herodotus solemnly reports that the inscription at the base of the Great Pyramid was a record of the amount of money spent on radishes for the workers, that King Cheops had to put his daughter to work in a brothel to help him pay for the wretched thing, and that if ever there was a house fire in Bubastis, the citizens had to link arms round the burning building to stop the sacred cats from committing suicide by leaping into the flames!
Claims by Stierlin that the Neftertiti bust is a modern fake are spurious and discredited. Zahi Hawass called Stierlin “delerious” and “no historian”. It is known that Borchardt misled Egyptian authorities about the bust to avoid giving it up to them. Dietrich Wildung dismisses Stierlin’s flimsy claim as a publicity stunt. Exhaustive tests on the bust’s core and pigments have proven, according to Science News, that the bust is genuine. So, in spite of the assertion stated above, there is no real controversy about the busts authenticity. It is an accurate depiction of the real woman.
Many esteemed and even conservative Egyptologist see Zahi Hawass as a joke, both scientifically and possibly even politically compromised.. And of all the depictions of Nefertiti, this is the only one that has no verifiable inscriptions that identified it as being actually the queen herself!
Also, the same scientific community has scanned and x-rayed the bust and have found that the plaster overlay is concealing her truest features, as compared to that which is being seen outwardly on the surface by the viewing public, and some researchers have been cited as saying, it doesn’t even represent the artistic style of the period! And why would a genuine artifact that is so completely intact, dedicated to an esteemed royal figure, a queen, have only one eye? unfinished model? damaged? tampered with? or possibly Nefertiti, the one-eye queen?
To this day, there are a number of researchers that still find this bust to be controversial, and almost every year, there is some previously believed authentic ancient artifact displayed in some of the world’s most prominent museums that has finally been deemed inauthentic and a well-crafted forgery. Historically, Egypt and Israel has always been overrunning with artifact forgers and con men, even amongst the archeological community.
You can turn this into the Shroud of Turin all you want, which has been also closely-examined repeatedly by a plethora of scientist, and still, they would have to take a leap of faith to authenticate it.
During the time period when the Nefertiti bust was supposedly found, many self-appointed archeologist and Egyptologist were not even scientist and were more so treasure-hunters. And we know Ludwig Borchardt was a con man, a thief, and a smuggler.
ancient Egypt in the broad sense is much like america was and is, the first peoples of america the amerinidans where well astablished before europeans and africans emerged. similarly ancient Egypt had diferent racial groups inhabiting their land at different times.
Evidence.
the oldest mummy found in africa was in uan muhuggiag, found by Professor Fabrizio Mori. this was dated to about 6000BC and older than any mummy found in egypt. The mummy had sub Saharan features.
link below
http://www.temehu.com/wan-muhuggiag.htm
it is worth mentioning that at about 6000BC and before that most of the saharah was lush, and as the saharah desert as we know it began to emerge, the people in that area migrated towards lush areas, nile to the north east and niger to the south west.
There have been and burial mounds found in north west africa (libya) that have drawings of Egyptian like gods (they are dated to about 6000BC).
aside from evidence in modern day libya, looking at the sculpture of egyptian pharaohs from the old dynasty to the latest dynasties you can obviously tell what race the pharaohs where. the oldest statue of the pharaoh that you can clearly detail. djoser, from the 3rd dynasty, and huni dfrom the 3rd dynasty, it is most clear that huni and djoser look sub saharan. you can see a link to a picture of huni below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huni-StatueHead_BrooklynMuseum.png
and djoser
http://www.ancient-egypt.info/2012/01/pharaoh-djoser-2640-2611-bc-facts.html
later dynasties seem to have Caucasian features,
Its the Afro centrists who are the jokes scientifically and historically. Trying to turn Nefretiti into a sister girl to fix your own racial and ethnic self esteem is pathetic
Ah no Uncle tancred it is blatant racism dipped in 19th cent pseudo science emanating from men like Nott and Gliddon plus Egyptomania that caused much confusion about who the Kemites were,but the question it self is loaded and simplistic,ie what “RACE” were the early Egyptians, then I must ask you and the blogger for a scientific definition of “race” for as I had been led to believe there is no such thing among modern humans,a better question would have been were the ancient Kemetians biologically and culturally Africans. If the answer is yes then they looked and acted no different than their closest neighbors,keeping in mind that their first nome or district was in the south and connected with A and C group culture that they bare similar cattle keeping culture with folks as far away as the Great lakes regions(see DNA Tribes) one of cultural and biological incubators of ancient Kemet other being the Sahara and the Horn.
Arrian wrote about what Indians and Egyptians looked like in Indica:
“the southern Indians resemble the Ethiopians a good deal, and, are black of countenance, and their hair black also, only they are not as snub-nosed or so woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; but the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians in appearance.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indica_(Arrian)
This is consistent with how both Indians and Egyptians look now. The one thing you could say with absolute certainty is that the Egyptians, throughout history, have never been black or white.
But was this even worth responding to? Afrocentrists and Nordicists alike are beyond the point where you could hope to reason with them.
Oh god, now I just realized Afrocentrists will try to steal Indian achievements, not realizing Dravidians are nowhere near blacks genetically.
I should note how sad it is that Africans don’t find any of their ancestors’ achievements notable. This is one of the few explanations I can come up with for why they would try to steal modern Egypt’s birthright.
Seriously? Seriously! I dated a black afro-centrist who insisted I was as African as he was, even more so! because there is some sort of afro-dalit alliance now. Who created that, I’ve got no idea, but yeah, there’s a few crazy African Americans and Indian Dalits peddling this.
Seriously.
While I don’t believe there is much connection between Africans and Dravidians, Afro-centrist are hardly the ones who made those connections early travelers did, and Africans are not the only one in ancient times self identified as Blacks,read the quotes by Marco Polo
Marco Polo
In 1288 and again in 1293 the Venetian traveler Marco Polo visited the Pandyan kingdom and left a vivid description of the land and its people. Polo exclaimed that:
“The darkest man is here the most highly esteemed and considered better than the others who are not so dark. Let me add that in very truth these people portray and depict their gods and their idols black and their devils white as snow. For they say that God and all the saints are black and the devils are all white. That is why they portray them as I have described.
http://www.msresa.com/history.htm
Read more: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pav&action=display&thread=47#ixzz21nqzsQJp
And Asia and the Pacific is filled with Black people sometimes in the millions, there is a reason why “New Guinea” is called New Guinea after all but these are Asians not Africans no matter what they looked like but they are Blacks!
“the southern Indians resemble the Ethiopians a good deal, and, are black of countenance, and their hair black also, only they are not as snub-nosed or so woolly-haired as the Ethiopians”
Mallus and Ethiopians look practically indistinguishable from one another.
That Nefertiti bust looks typically Black African to me. Of course the ancient Egyptians were dark skinned Africans. What else would they be? All ancient drawings, paintings and sculpture of them (by them) look like what Ethiopians look like today.
Ancient Egypt was a phenomenal civilization therefore everyone wants a piece of it, but it is undeniably African.
South Indian substratum a lot of Ehtiopian look alikes with mesorrhine nose.
nordisits? where on here or anywhere in great numbers do you find White northern Euroupeans claiming Egypt as their culture? also please look at other afrocentrisits on the web who now claim that Euroupes royalties are mostly ,or where mostly black sub saharan african!? they claim that the kingdom of bohemia moravia was ruled by black kings because of heraldic shields that show african heads? or that the “black nobility” where actually african????, another is the miss interpritation of the term “black irish” which comes from the white irish slaves taken to west indies from 1500′s through to 1700′s these mixed culturaly with black slaves who arrived late 1600′s, black irish referes to west indian africans who talk with irish accents, afro lunatics see 17th centuary paintings where a duke or king has frizzy long curly black hair & say “look he’s got a afro” but they do not realise all men & women ( of royalty or wealth) wore bloody wigs!! it might even have been wigs made of exotic african hair as a fashion statement!! i give up on afro lunatics! i doubt they’ll accept anything that refutes their theories & does’nt soothe their childish ego’s, notice how its allways the “WHITE MAN” who’s stealling egypt or falsifying history? when indians deny african loons who say indian culture is really from africa it’s “WHITEY” egyptians say black africans didnt build Egypt, its “A WHITE CONSPIRACY” what scares me is in 200 years time these idiots will be saying modern Euroupe was built by them, that it was blacks who invented the plane computer car train ,modern industry ect, they’ll say look africans where here but these whites came as immigrants & took over then changed the history!! it would be very sad if it was’nt so dangerous!
LMAO @ Afrocentrists!
Biggest fucktards on the planet LOL!
The belive that cristians are the closed to ancient Egyptians is a lie. Many roman people have mixed with those cristians. All Egyptians today are copts. It is the name called on all Egyptians by arabs in the times of prophet muhamed (pbuh).
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http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Fiji/Highlights/WayalailaiDancers.jpg
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pav&action=display&thread=633
Like I said earlier non of the above are Africans dispite their looks but Asians both culturally and biologically although Africans did travel to Asia under many circumstances as soldiers,sailors,traders,religious figures and slaves.
Please clik.
Words have meaning and as someone has said, a picture is worth a thousand words. First there is the
word dynasty. Many people put very little importance on this word, but it is the elephant in the room.
Webster’s Dictionary defines the word this way: 1. A succession of rulers from the same line or family. 2. A family or group that maintains power for several generations. These definitions are an understatement when it comes to ancient Egypt. Instead of ruling for several generations which at the time a generation was between fifteen and twenty years, the 18th Dynasty ruled for over two and a half centuries. And, with the pharaonic system, royals often married close relatives. The thousand words or many thousands of words are written on Google. Just Google , statues of the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt . You will see who the ancient Egyptians were and who they weren’t. They were Africans of color who weren’t Caucasians. And the further you go back the more it was self-evident that the ancient Eyptians were not Caucasians. Just look at statues of the Pharaohs from Fourth Dynasty. All of mankind can take credit for the ancient Egyptians early great civilization. Because we are all from one race of people, the human race. But, it is very cynical for Caucasians to dismiss people who have ties to Africa, culture that comes from and is unique to Africa and people who physically resemble the the ancient Egyptians.
You have got to be kidding me. Those very negroid features of Egypt resemble some of the negroes from the block! Obviously you placed your anti negroid glasses on to do this report! I am Black and possess an above average intelligence. What about all the dumb white people in trailer parks out there? Whatcha got to say about them? By the way, they line dance very well. Ps , what about the smart doctors lawyers engineers so on in society. You sound very dumb. If your theory was true, how did they succeed ? Was it through placing a white brain in each day before attending the university? You make me pee my pants!
Ok baby, you’re banned. Now head on back to the corner, you still have work to do.
Read the holy Quran and you will see truth! It’s a small poetic beautiful book. History has mostly been fabricated through time by a minority to suit their needs.. All man are one and same and IQ doesn’t fucking care about color, I’m lucky to have meet with the brightest of man and the dumbest. In every color and they are all one and the same. SOoo if ur stupid, work harder and if ur smart, don’t gloat.
Ha ha ha. This has to be the most provocative online forum I have had the joy of skimming over for a good while. Mr. Robert Lindsay; is the rest of your blog as inflammatory as this? I would love to read more right now, but alas, I have to take my primitive, underdeveloped African brain to bed, so as to be perky and semi-lucid for my boss tomorrow. Please keep it up, I will definitely be coming back here.
We all need some light relief from time to time, and I have the sneaking (and hopeful) suspicion that your musings will provide that. Perhaps your next topic should be “On the study of Felines; are white cats more aesthetic and erudite than black cats: An ethnographic (feliographic?) study by Robert Lindsay”
Don’t disappoint!!
Love from the ‘dark’ continent. xoxoxo
Yes the whole site is this provocative or more so. Glad you love it baby. I see you are from Central Africa. Nice place, except for the genocidaires and the AIDS and all that minor stuff. Anyway, hope you are well.
So where are you from ? Rwanda, Congo or Kenya?
Uganda.
How do you know?
I think it has already been established that the ancient Egyptians are still represented by their modern counterparts in BOTH the North and South of modern Egypt.The Y-dna studies done in recent years show that the slight distinction,genetically speaking,between reddish-brown Egyptians and black Nubians is still present in modern haplogroups E-V22,E-V12 and E-V32.These subclades of E-M78,which ALL the authorities agree originated in N.E.Africa are still represented in Egypt in the North as well as the Sudan and the African “Horn” nations.Even today,these areas are remarkable for physical and ethnic differences as they were in ancient times.(PLEZE!) Color wasn’t a divisive issue with the ancient Egyptians WHY should it be with us??
lol john what a joke i am 100% sure the egypsian are still there just check this The term Bejawi comes from Ta-Itjawy “people of Itjawy”.
Ta-Seti Neferet, the mother of Egyptian King Amenhemet I’s was of a peoples from Upper Egypt known as Ta-Seti. He built a great city state called “Amenemhat-itj-tawy” (“Amenemhat the Seizer of the Two Lands”), more simply called Itjtawy. Populations from the Ta-Seti region came to people Itj-tawy and from this power centre, Amenemhat I’s armies extended the Egyptian empire. Egyptologists who believe Amenemhat I may have waited until his twentieth year to make the move to his new city base their evidence on an inscription found on the foundation blocks of the pyramid’s mortuary temple. It records Amenemhat’s royal jubilee, and also that year one of a new king had elapsed, suggesting that the pyramid was started very late in the king’s reign. King Amenemhat I reorganized the administration of the country, keeping the hereditary nomarchs who had supported him, while weakening the regional governors by appointing new officials at Asyut, Cusae and Elephantine. Another move, both to dilute the army’s power and to raise personnel for coming conflicts, was his reintroduction of conscription. In order to protect Egypt and fortify captured territory in Nubia, he founded a fortress at Semna in the region of the second Nile Cataract, which would begin a string of future 12th Dynasty fortresses. Along with protecting his newly acquired territory, he also create a stranglehold over economic contacts with Upper Nubia and further south.
Amenemhat’s Ta-Seti army and conscripts came to be known Ta-Itj-tawy. In modern languages this is pronounced Bigawy, Bedjawi or Bejawi.
The Beja have been named “Blemmyes” in Roman times,[1] “Buga”s in Aksumite inscriptions in Ge’ez[citation needed], and “Fuzzy Wuzzy” by Rudyard Kipling. Kipling was specifically referring to the Hadendowa, who fought the British, supporting the “Mahdi,” a Sudanese leader of a rebellion against the Turkish rule administered by the British.[2]
[edit]Language. john you have to accsept your Gread gread grand fathers was black befor they left punt land to the ice age
Anasi: Take it up with Zahi Hawass. An Egyptian, head of Antiquities council and unlike you, no Afrocentrist.
……the ancient Egyptians skull size and shape is more consistent with Africans from Sudan, Ethiopia, and other black Africans in the region. The culture and artifacts found in ancient Egypt is more consistent with cultures deeper within Africa, not without. The resent DNA test done on king tut, and other mummies from similar time periods in Egypt would show DNA outside of Africa because that’s when Egypt was ruled by foreigners. King tut and a great many other famous ancient Egyptian names sighted by Eurocentric egyptologists are actually closer to our time period then they are to the first king’s of Egypt. Egypt was already ancient by king tuts time, so he is of no consequence when determining the ancient race of the Egyptians.
I’VE VISITED A FEW PLACES ON THIS EARTH BUT ONE THING I KNOW FOR A FACT!!..ALL ETHNICITY OF HUMANS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES AND CUNTS ALIKE NO MATTER THE COMPLEXION OF THEIR SKIN!..
BY THE WAY HERE’S A “QUESTION and ANSWER” to ALL UN-DEVELOP RACIST FUCK HEADS ESPECIALLY “FUCK FACE” Robert Lindsay..
‘WHEN YOU RACIST FUCKS GET A HEART ATTACK AND STROKE AFTER READING THIS YOU’LL GO TO THE NEAREST HOSPITAL WHERE THERE IS ONLY ONE DOCTOR WHO’S OF “BLACK AFRICAN ETHNICITY!”…
I BET YOU RACIST FUCKS CAN’T SAY THIS TO HIM/HER:
“DON’T SAVE ME BECAUSE YOU BLACK AFRICANS AREN’T SMART!”..
OR “I CAN’T TAKE A BLOOD TRANSFUSION OR A DONATED ORGAN UNLESS IT’S FROM MY OWN ETHNICITY”
NEVER IN THIS WORLD WILL YOU FUCKS USE THOSE REMARKS!.
IT’S ONLY WHEN YOU COCK SUCKERS ARE ABOUT TO LOSE YOUR HYPOCRITICAL LIVES YOU DON’T THINK RACIAL ANYMORE!..
WE HUMANS ARE SO FUCKING
SHAMELESS,SELFISH,BOASTFUL,GREEDY.ENVIOUS,STINK AND DISGUSTING!..
hi,i’m a light skinned Ethiopian which believed we are the part of ancient Egyptian dynasty telling from where i stand and where i’m right know in east africa,during egyptian ancient time because of Nile river and trade route all kind of people used to live or by pass “us”this resulted east african’s skin to became light brown and ancient people give “us” a name called “Habesh”meaning mixed race or you can call it Egypt.and please note that Nubian’s are our native fathers!
Egyptions were black ! You could see on Anchiet hyroglephics that thet were obsiously black. Everybody is black EVERYBODY ! The first people on Earth were east africans who then migrated to other parts of the world and the weather changed their skin colors so tell me how may someone living in Anchiet Egypt be white ? It makes no sense they are lieing to you ,people they dont want us to know our history . Everything came from africa . Math science ! Just watch HIDDEN COLORS its a documentary about an hour and a half long order it from amazon or just watch it online .
Without Africa imagine what society today will be like
we are all of African decent,people we need to wake up, life began in Africa, the apple never falls far from the tree. The people of African tribes lived in the Saharan desert and when it dried up they moved along the Nile Vally and ended up in Egypt. Stop hating who god created…it is in your DNA…white, black and all mixtures…you came from what god created …a beautiful black women…what brothers you about this…are you embarrassed…if you really want the truth about who the ancient Egyptians were than you need to study language and culture of groups of people still living in Africa. The ancient Egyptian word Serekh , this is hieroglyphic symbol that used to be designed on the front doors of the kings and royal houses to show that they were the residences of royalty and power.This design can be traced to the early dynastic period and the old kingdom of ancient Egypt. It was the image of the falcon standing on a rectangular frame with the king’s spiritual name in the rectangle. It was in later times when another African tribe became the pharaoh of ancient Egypt that the name serekh was conferred onto this symbol, and that is what modern scholars know it to be….the language from which the word serekh originated from links to a African tribe….the Hausa word Sariki, meaning king. Notice how this word has been transposed into European orthography and phonology as SEREKH. Ancient Egypt, Hausa royalty were also kings. The modern descendant of their ancient royal dynasty is now called the Sadauna of Sokoto and he can be found in Kano in Northern Nigeria. Form such a detailed revelation, the word Serekh and the ancient Egyptian story do not become part of an ancient history, it becomes the continuous story of a living people.THIS IS THE KIND OF LINGUISTIC AND CULTURAL LINK I EXPECT SCHOLARS TO MAKE ABOUT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS STORY, RELIGION AND ANCIENT AFRICAN BECAUSE IT IS THERE. GOD BLESS, WE ARE ONE.
Ancient Eygptians are not the same as the current egyptians….to say that ancient egyptians were “Negroid” is just plain wrong….they were not in my opinion…and I can have one…the reason, egyptians are protrayed in movies as caucasian like Elizabeth taylor is because, one wants beauty and pomp in film….if you look at the tomb paintings…egyptians had copper like skin…with their slaves a black (nubian) color…as for lips being negoid,thats ballony….example…neffertiti…she had more caucasian features, even mexicans are labeled under caucasians….it takes a spanaird and an indigenous indian to make a mexican….but for example….llike in quadalajara…you have blue eyed blond mexicans…due to the french and germans…who stayed after the war….so thats like history threw out, how blood lines change and such….but Egyptians are not negroid…Cleopatra was part greek, check your facts…but copper skin is not black skin.
forgot to mention, when in 2009 or there abouts, a mummy was ,how do you say, reconstructed facial….he looked like an average arab man….blacks were in an uproar…this was on the cover of newsweek…look it up…I cant remember if it was tut…or some other importatnt dude….why dont we all take a dna test….Oprah was found to be from senegal…..saw it on tv around 2010….
“Lastly there was no Caucasians or white people around 40K yrs ago. Scientific studies show that Europeans skin turned pale only recently circa 6K yrs ago. The 1st people in Europe were Africans of dark skin complexion”
None of the modern day races existed 40k yrs. ago. The first modern people in Europe were from Central Asia not Africa, they were probably light brown skinned, not much darker than many modern day Southern Europeans.
Pepper:”Or assuming that Sumerians were dark skinned as they called themselves the Black Headed People, the Ancient Egyptians could phenotypically have more in common with dark skinned ancient peoples stretching from Sumer to Elam to Indus”
“Black Headed” was a reference to hair color not skin color. The Sumerians are clearly depicted in their own art work as a relatively light complexioned people with dark hair and unambiguously Caucasoid features.
Rubbish why would dark heir be special in a geographical area filled with dark haired folks,an area I am familiar with having been there on several occasions.
Lament For The People Of Ur.
112-122. “To me, the woman, in the Agrun-kug, my house of queenship, they did not grant a reign of distant days. Indeed they established weeping and lamentation for me. As for the house which used to be where the spirit of the black-headed people was soothed.
192-196. The scorching potsherds made the dust glow (?) — the people groan. He swept the winds over the black-headed people — the people groan. Sumer was overturned by a snare — the people groan. It attacked (?) the Land and devoured it completely. Tears cannot influence the bitter storm — the people groan.
The black-headed people were carried off from their strongholds. Its queen like a bird in fright departed from her city.
The black-headed people do not bathe during your festivals. Like …… mourning has been decreed for them; their appearance has indeed changed.
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.2.2.2&charenc=j#
Saragon of Akkad the first Semitic King boast
“The black-headed peoples [Sumerians] I ruled, I governed; mighty mountains with axes of Bronze I destroyed. I ascended the upper mountains; I burst through the lower mountains. The country of the sea I besieged three times; Dilmun I captured. Unto the great Dur-ilu I went up, I … I altered … Whatsoever king shall be exalted after me, … Let him rule, let him govern the black-headed peoples; mighty mountains with axes of bronze let him destroy; let him ascend the upper mountains, let him break through the lower mountains; the country of the sea let him besiege three times; Dilmun let him capture; To great Dur-ilu let him go up.”
http://www.ancient.eu.com/article/109/
Genesis 10:8
And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, ine Shinar.f 11From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir,g Calah 12and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city.
I found the “somethings never change” comment about black HIGHLY offensive. Blacks are and always been just as intelligent as whites and any other race. choose your words wisely! In my opinion, Ancient Egyptians were definitely a type of african decent. Their culture and lifestyle is exactly the same or more similar than other races.
Well I think we can all agree that the great spirit, Gods, what ever made us,yet even if egyptians were in the sub sahara/african area….so what? that doesnt make them black…they should do DNA tests…hell oprah comes from senegal…has anyone ever noticed…Tuts mask has almond eyes…he kind of favors a thai person…oriental….but when the scientist did his face….he looked like a regular arab person…good figure…
Really, eygptians are caucasian?? guess it could be true…mexicans are classified under caucasian…but so do you think that makes…you,an obvious caucasian…Better than other races?? God must be laughing at us,and deciding how to rid this grey and granite planet,from the boobs that prolificate it, yes, indeed, and most serial killers, and guys who take out their families, and shoot innocent people (as meritage) are Caucasian….,how much pain and injustice, because someone is a different hue or color , and the shape of the nose and lips…….lets see…flood,check….next time…fireball…yea…
most mexicans have high cheekbones,small eyes and a nose between the long pure caucasian and the small pure mongoloid,here are many types of noses,so mixed and confusing,but the rest of the face is crearly more mongoloid than caucasian,damn caucasians are present in europe,middle east,india! and invaded united states,canada,argentina,australia,so many space under caucasians and you still put mexico under them?no sir,mexico is 55% mongoloid,caucasians are common in mexican tv,but in the real mexico,they are very few,i live in mexico!
If there is any such entity as God, that is. ha ha ha
And do you know that the most pervert people on earth are the caucasians, thought they claim to be more civilised? Parents fundle and kiss infront of kids, smoke with an infant in the pram, and hate all other races. What have we done to these guys, who treated us like shit, and now they cannot have enough compassion to apologise and compensate. On the contrary, they still hold us in bondage. It is really sad. They hate us, that is why every good thing is documented far away from our names.
Lets face it people love beauty…if it has a straight nose and yada yada…hey its caucasian….but Mike I must say…I didnt get my info from hawass…personally I dont like the man…the way he treats people and his know it all persona…but I digress…Ive gathered my opinions from reading, you must admit…the ancient eygptians are not the egyptians of todayl
Beauty is a point of view. To me, a woman is REALLY beautiful if she is as dark as a nubian, and has natural Afro hair.
Noelle the ancient Egyptians or as I like to use one of the names they called themselves Kemou litterally the Black community are genetically related to the people south,east and west of them some from the Great Lakes regions of central Africa where they indeed have cultural connections ie the god Bes,and lets not forget that the land of the ancestors or founders were in that general area keeping in mind that’s where the Mountains of the moon (killamangiro) is located or in Eritrea where they found baboons with the same genome with remains found in Egypt.
TO THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS – SORRY BUT SINCE I’M MOST LIKELY A 4TH WHITE – IM GOING TO COME OUT AND SAY IT – Not ONE ” “#$%^……” – – CAME OUT OF AFRICA & AND STILL HASN’T TILL THIS DAY …. AN ALBINO MAYBE –
SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE –
ISN’T IT WEIRD HOW A BLACK PERSON CAN TURN WHITE THROUGH ALBINISM – BUT ITS NEVER BEEN THE OPPOSITE ….. WHITES CANNOT TURN BLACK EXCEPT THROUGH MIXING and evolution – ALSO ISN’T IT INTERESTING HOW SOUTH AFRICA HAS THE HIGHEST RATE OF SKIN CANCER IN THE COUNTRY – http://www.cansa.org.za/sunny-sa-and-skin-cancer-some-things-you-should-know/ A WHITE COLONIZATION AREA ….
sEE Sunny SA and Skin cancer – Some Things You Should Know -
“As SOUTH AFRICA is one of the countries with the highest incidence of skin cancer we are fortunate to have local scientists whose knowledge is crucial to the continuing education of professionals working in the health and environmental sectors,” says CANSA CEO, Sue Janse van Rensburg. “We wish to equip role players and the public with the appropriate knowledge to make informed decisions.” —
“What is new for South Africa. High UV concentrations, an ozone hole, a sunny climate, and a sport and outdoor lifestyle orientated nation are just the right ingredients for a recipe for disaster. The incidence of Non- melanoma skin cancer (Basal Cell Carcinomas and Squamous Cell Carcinomas) has reached epidemic proportions.”
Humans like other all other animals adapt to their surroundings, through evolution, and we live through the Sun. We all need Vitamin D to live -Africans have dark skin to block out the dangerous ultra violet rays of the sun, in Africa BUT STILL RECEIVE VITAMIN D – Science also provides that Blacks more then likely evolved into Whites over thousands of years when they migrated to cold areas with LESS SUNLIGHT Because their skin needs to be light so they can asborb more Vitamin D, or DIE OFF…. – A new scientific study in America cites that even many Blacks a multi ethnic American group transposed of mostly only part African part White part Indian and whatever other ancestry suffer from Vitamin D deficiency – because Blacks do not get enough Sun IN AMERICA, and suffer from a lack of Vitamin D deficiency. Science and reality proves and shows who came out of and who belongs in Africa, with 3 billion people dark skin An Africa to this day. The Egyptians are also still of dark complexion today, and any Country region that borders on the continent of Africa is of highly melanin (black) people dark people, with variations of curly/ wavy hair. So any Argument is illogical … Even Romans and Greeks are of Mediterranean with dark skin, and dark hair – there HAVE been no documented REAL Caucasoid whites groups BORN OUT of THE REGION or land up until the present day. ALSO – The Copts are people who practice Christianity Egyptian- NOT an ETHNIC GROUP – Neither Christianity, nor Islam was the religion to the early Egyptian civilizations, this came wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaay later.
For nearly two hundred years now, White scholars have removed Black people from Egypt, Egypt from Africa and Africa from world history. They have always taught that Egypt is in the Near East, the Middle East, the Mediterranean and even the Fertile Crescent. They have never informed the world that Egypt is and always has been on the Continent of Africa.
We understand that most White people and Arabs have great difficulty imagining Black Africans to have laid the foundation of civilization. We sincerely regret that Western racist propaganda has so narrowed their worldview. But, at this site “WHEN BLACK PEOPLE RULED THE WORLD” FROM THE CLEGG SERIES AT MELANET.COM” we deal with evidence – - not propaganda, not passion, not preconceived notions or white supremacy.
While White publishers controlled everything written and taught about Africa – - and often published books stating that the Ancient Egyptians were White – - no one, except Black people, complained. However, since Black people began publishing their own work and using the internet to tell our story, suddenly everyone is interested in setting Black people straight by insisting that the Ancient Egyptians were neither Black nor white, but Arabs, like the Arabs of today.
We disagree. Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century AD, long after Ancient Egyptian civilization had declined and faded away. Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.
We, of course, believe that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans and the following is a synopsis of some of the evidence that supports our view:
Evidence from Physical Anthropology
The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect that they were a Negroid people with features very similar to those of modern Black Nubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.
Melanin Dosage Test
Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated that these remains were of Black people.
Osteological Evidence
“Lepsius canon,” which distinguishes the bodily proportions of various racial groups categories the “ideal Egyptian” as “short-armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type.”
Evidence From Blood Types
Diop notes that even after hundreds of years of inter-mixture with foreign invaders, the blood type of modern Egyptians is the “same group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding.”
The Egyptians as They Saw Themselves
“The Egyptians had only one term to designate themselves =kmt= the negroes (literally). This is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness; it is accordingly written with a hieroglyph representing a length of wood charred at the end and not crocodile scales,” singular. ‘Kmt’ from the adjective =kmt= black; it therefore means strictly negroes or at the very least black men. The term is a collective noun which thus described the whole people of pharaonic Egypt as a black people.”
Divine Epithets
Diop demonstrates that “black or negro” is the divine epithet invariably used for the chief beneficent Gods of Egypt, while the evil spirits were depicted as red.
Evidence From the Bible
The Bible states that “…[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah.” According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. “Generally speaking all semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the black.”
Cultural unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa
Through a study of circumcision and totemism, Diop gives detailed data showing cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa.
Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa
In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.
Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Authors
Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the Ancient Egyptians as Black skinned with wooly hair.
So why is black ancestry covered up? Is there truth that should stay buried?
Over the years, African-Americans have been introduced to a form of Christianity that was largely recast through the European culture,” says Dr. Cain Hope Felder, a New Testament language and literature professor at the Howard University School of Divinity and the author of several books on the subject. “We are not creating something new. We are going back and recovering what was always there.”
What was always there, Dr. Felder and other religious experts say, is incontrovertible evidence that noted biblical figures, such as the Queen of Sheba, Moses’ Cushite wife Zipporah, Prophet Jeremiah’s right-hand man Ebedmelech, and Sarah’s Egyptian handmaiden Hagar, are among the many royal Black personalities mentioned in the Bible.
Although evidence on the presence of Blacks in the Bible dates back to the 18th century, only in the past 25 years have Black scholars and ministers made major breakthroughs on a subject that has been practically ignored or suppressed by White religious authorities. Modern research, however, is based on the findings of Black historians like William Leo Hansberry and W.E.B. DuBois, who identified major Black biblical characters more than 50 years ago.
“Black people have been duped into running from the Bible, thinking it was the White man’s book,” says the Rev. Walter A. McCray, pastor of the First Baptist Church in Chicago and author of two volumes titled The Black Presence in the Bible. But in fact, Rev. McCray says, “Many notable biblical personalities were Black.”
Although there are differences of emphasis, Black scholars and an increasing of White biblical scholars agree on the eight most widely accepted Black personalities in the Bible:
* The Queen of Sheba. The queen, who visited King Solomon and marveled at his wisdom, was queen of Ethiopia and Egypt. In scripture, she is called “the queen of the South.” Scriptures: I Kings 10:1; II Chronicles 9:1; St. Matthew 12:42.
* Zipporah. She was Moses’ Cushite wife. It is said that Moses’ siblings, Aaron and Miriam, did not like her. Some say it was because of a family spat. Others claim it’s because Zipporah, daughter of Jethro, was Black. Scripture: Numbers 12:1.
* Ebed-melech. This Ethiopian eunuch saved the life of Jeremiah, the prophet. Scriptures: Jeremiah 38:7-13; 39:16.
* Ethiopian Eunuch. This unnamed eunuch received a spiritual conversion and a better understanding of the Scriptures after speaking with Philip. Scriptures: Acts 8:26-40.
* Hagar. She was Sarah’s Egyptian handmaiden, and she eventually had Abraham’s first son, Ishmael. Scriptures: Gen. 16:1,3; 21:9.
* Pharaoh Tirharkah. He was an Ethiopian king. II Kings 19:9.
* Asenath. She was the Egyptian wife of Joseph, given to him by the Pharaoh. Asenath and Joseph had two sons, Manessah and Ephraim. Scriptures: Gen. 41:45.
* Simon of Cyrene. He helped Jesus carry the cross. Cyrene was an ancient city in Libya, Africa. Scriptures: St. Mark 15:21.
Although few, if any, believe in the “curse of Ham,” which was used as a justification for slavery, some experts, like Dr. McCray of Chicago, maintain that Blacks are indeed descendants of Ham, the youngest of Noah’s three sons. Ham — translated from Hebrew to mean “hot, heated or Black” — was called the father of Canaan in the Bible.
Canaan, along with Cush (or ancient Ethiopia), Mizraim (early Egypt) and Phut are considered to be Ham’s direct offspring.
If this is true, according to Dr. Copher, Dr. Felder and other scholars, at least one book of the Bible was written by a Black man, namely Zephaniah. Called the “son of Cushi,” Zephaniah was counted among the minor prophets of the Bible.
In addition to agreeing that Zephaniah was Black, some read King Solomon’s lyrical prose in The Songs of Solomon and conclude that he, too, was a Black man and that this song-like book was devoted to his relationship with the Queen of Sheba. In the book’s first chapter Solomon’s female companion proclaims, “I am black, black, but comely… look not upon me because I am black, because the sun has looked down upon me.”
If Solomon, King David’s son, was Black, some scholars reason that Jesus Christ himself — according to the genealogy outlined in the first chapter of St. Matthew — was Black. Other observers, not as convinced by this logic, just conclude that he was not White.
Black Africans of Rome have contributed greatly to the growth of Christianity and the development of Roman Catholic doctrine. Three of the greatest scholars and founding theologians of Christianity were Black Roman Africans that includes Tertullian, Cyperian and St. Augustine, but the greatest contributions were clearly made by these three Black Popes:
* Pope Victor I, the 14th pope, served from 189AD – 199AD
* Pope Miltiades, the 32nd pope, served from 311AD – 314AD
* Pope Gelasius I, the 49th pope, who came to office in 492AD (1,000 years before America was supposedly discovered)
Understanding Biblical prophecy and Black history can set the record staight, where certain myths can be corrected in terms of showing that Black people were never cursed because of their Black skin as promoted by the slave masters and the supremacist, neither were they genetically inferior race, nor the product of Eve mating with satan.
HOSEA 4:6 – My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
The curses placed on Israel will help to identify who the real Hebrew Israelites are.
DANIEL 9:11 – Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Following is a preview of some of those curses mentioned:
* THE TRANS – ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE (Deut 28:68)
* HIGH PRISON POPULATION (Isaiah 42:22)
* A SICK AND DISEASED STRICKEN PEOPLE (Deut 28: 59-61)
* SUFFERING FROM MENTAL ILLNESS BECAUSE OF WHAT IS SEEN (Deut 28: 28,34)
* CHILDREN TAKEN AWAY AND GIVEN TO OTHER PEOPLE (Deut 28:32)
* EVERY RACIAL GROUP RUNNING SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN BLACK NEIGHBOURHOODS (Deut 28: 43-44)
* SCATTERED THROUGHOUT ALL NATIONS (Deut 28: 25, 64 Luke 21:24)
* NOT BEING ABLE TO STAND AGAINST THEIR ENEMIES (Leviticus 26: 37-38 Deut 28:25)
* HAVING NO POWER, ALWAYS ROBBED AND SPOILED (Deut 28:29)
* CALLED RACIST NAMES INSTEAD OF REFERRED TO BY TRUE IDENTITY ( 28:37)
* YOUNG MEN STANDING ON THE STREET CORNERS GOING WILD (Isaiah 51:20)
* HAVING MANY PLACES OF WORSHIP ON EVERY STREET CORNER (Ezekiel 16: 24-25)
* FEARFULL OF LIFE WITHOUT ASSURANCE OF LIFE (Deut 28: 64-66)
* LYNCHING AND BEING BURNED ALIVE BY THE ENEMY (Deut 28:22)
* TEENAGE GANGS RUNNING BLACK NEIGHBOURHOODS, MANY CORRUPT ELECTED OFFICIAL LEADERS (Isaiah 3:12)
“…The Egyptians descended from the Ethiopians…” Moses was born in Egypt, and Egypt is inseparably part of the African continent; therefore, Moses was an African. Joseph, the son of Jacob, was the viceroy of Egypt, second in authority under the Pharaoh (king). If it can be shown that the ancient Egyptians were Black people, then that would mean that the ancient Hebrews were Africans (Black) people also. Herodotus, “the Father of History”, visited Egypt and Ethiopia about 400 years before Jesus Christ was born; he recorded as an eyewitness, that the Egyptians and Ethipians were black-skinned with woolly hair.
Tacitus, a Roman Historian, recorded that many in his times said that the Hebrews had an Ethiopian origin. God Almighty says that the children of Israel are like the Cushites (Ethiopians) to Him.Deuteronomy 33:4 & 5th verses says that Moses was called a King of Israel. Moses was born in Africa (Egypt), so the first king of Israel was African!
Egyptians living during the time of pharoah…are not the egyptians living today,thats a given….how you figure,that ancient egyptian are negroid,is beyond me..look at the walls…you see nubians,and they are colored “black” the egyptians are an orange bronze…when scientist,did a forensic facial,of king tut,he looked just like an arab of today…sorry you feel,your people were given a bad rap, Cleopatra,was half greek and tolomec…
Take a look and listen to this video Noelle.
Your starting to remind me of napoleons troops who were ordered to destroy the nose and lips from the sphinx in 1798, because it depicted a black African.
You seem to have a underlying hatred you hold on to, for black Americans that you would deny any evidence showing the link, for reasons only you no, I don’t think any evidence would make any difference to you, it is obvious you have a job to do here in discrediting enlightened people from sharing and examining old and new evidence of our shattered and stolen ancient history.
Racial hatred is one of this worlds most destructive things, of which can destroy a person, it seems to overwhelm you and is evident in what you have to say at times, so much so you need this blog to vent it, better this than hurting someone in the street.
Better to hold out your hand in friendship, some may not take it but most people will.
Thank you ashwini,
God bless you
Europe from the time of Augustus had been to protect the area of “civilization” within the empire from the “barbarians” outside. In Scotland and Ireland , the barbarians were Celtic, an artistic, warlike, and highly emotional people, who for several centuries had been withdrawing ever further northwards to the coastal fringes of northwestern Europe from the lands they had once held, in France and Germany . On the continent between the Rhine-Danube frontier, Scandinavia , and the Black Sea , lived the Germanic tribes. In spite of the danger they represented to the empire, these tall fair-haired warriors, dressed in skins and draped in gold armbands and chains, fascinated the urbanized Romans.
Why don”t you groups read/study white people real (they did nt take bath, they ate their lices….But they will claim Rome as their history
The Vandals
Even before the Goths sacked Rome , another Germanic tribe, the Vandals, had pushed into the empire over the Rhine . Crossing France , they settled for a short while in Spain , from which the Visigoths expelled them. They then crossed the Straits of Gibraltar, conquered the rich province of North Africa, built themselves a fleet, and in 455 sacked Rome with greater thoroughness than the Visigoths. They took the treasures from the emperor’s palaces on Palatine hill and even the tile from the roofs of the temples, and returned with their spoil to their new capital of Carthage
Little of White people real history – But, will claim RomeTheodoric died in 526. His successors lacked his skills, and in less than forty years, the Ostrogoths were driven from Italy by the army of the Eastern Roman emperor; they moved north of the Alps , and rather surprisingly disappeared from history. Thus, the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, and the Vandals, who were largely responsible for the disappearance of the Roman Empire in the West, left little lasting trace. The Franks and the Anglo- Saxons, however, were to become the principal creators of medieval civilization.
The Franks
Whereas in France , the original Romanized inhabitants vastly outnumbered the invading Franks, in England the Germanic invaders, the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes from northern Germany and Denmark , drove most of the original Celtic inhabitants to Cornwall , Wales , and Scotland in the far western regions of the British Isles . The invaders, whom for convenience we call the Anglo-Saxons, ignored most of the Roman achievements they found. They disliked the land already being farmed. Roman Empire in the West had fallen. Britain , France , the Low Countries , Spain , north Africa, and Italy itself were all in the hands of Ger- manic invaders, whether or not those invaders paid lip service to the emperor in faraway Constantinople. Dr. Clarke will give you a truth history of their history they do not wanted to talked about.
White and stole lands
If you call invading other people’s land, stealing it, killing of the inhabitants, genocide, slavery, enacting laws with which to keep them at the socio economic bottom “babied”, I’d hate to see what whites do to those they hate.
This person picked quite a poor analogy. Australia is the result of the overwhelming criminal element in Briton. However, the number of criminals pales in comparison to the number of FREE WHITES who came during the gold rush. They decimated the Tasmiania population and murdered en mass and with government sanction untold numbers of Aboriginal Australians. White people love to use the word “conquer” instead of what it actually is. Murder.
Whites are the invaders. They are quick to invade other peoples land and then whine about “Go back to yada yada yada” neglecting to mention the fact that anyplace outside of Europe where they dwell has been stolen. If you want to stop hearing people bitch about you, YOU go back to Europe and tell whites that if they want such a homogenous society, BUILD IT IN EUROPE and stop forcing yourselves into places where you don’t belong.
This person illustrates the entire point the gentleman in the video is trying to make.
Notice also how certain races are so quick to use Black people in their little hypothetical rants. I find it creepy that Black people are always the default with which a certain genetic recessive race loves point fingers at. Why does a certain race not understand that most of the world feels this way about them. History has shown that they have interfered with Chinese, Japanese, Phillipinos, Indians, Native Americans, Aboriginal Australians, Native Canadians, even the Inuit have been malevolently touched by these people. yet they stay focused and foaming at the mouth rabid about Blacks. I guess we pose the biggest biological threat.
You wouldn’t have the problems you do if you didn’t invade and steal what belongs to others. The world is tired of your “woe is whitey” antics as you decimate the globe.
You should study Europe’s history learn how they where a country of disease and famine. Learn how in the 1400′s a third of Europe’s population died before the age of five, and 50% before the age of 21. While the African empire of Ghana in the 1100′s had established the use of Iron tools, their European counterparts only had wooden tools so they could only till the commons, or common grounds 2 months out of the year, so the people starved
Your forgetting the Mayan…they were superior in mathematics, astronomy,etc…orientals awesome….so how did it go all wrong for the africans…is it like what were seeing now, in our time? gangs…thief?…and its not “woe with whitey” your the one, bitching and moaning….trying to make a case out of mistaken info, and hatred….look around bud. as for disease and famine…wonder when the next pandemic is comming….just around the corner….think the powers that be, think theres too many people…dont ya think? yea.its comming
That’s all a load of crap. 50% of people were not dying by 21. If that were the case they would’ve died out long ago. Africa has had its fair share of disease and famine without European interference. And if Ghana was just getting on the Iron Age bandwagon in the 1100′s, they were WAY behind the rest of the world considering Europe’s iron age started in 1200BC and lasted until 400AD at which point we were using steele. Unless you mean 1100BC in which case you were still behind.
In life everyone must earn respect. So dont talk about history. Talk about the here and now. Black Africans have NOT contributed positively to themselves much less the world. Mostly the çontributions’have been negative. Hence the disrespect and disparaging
Is it just me, or has everyone gone crazy. Mankind migrated from Africa to all parts of the world. I remember a white woman I worked with telling me that Egyptians were black but that they were a special type of white person. A black-white person, I suppose. What is it about black Africans and Africa that truth about their contributions falls into the no-tell-zone.
Several years ago, an Indian historian was a guest on the Diane Ream Show, an American University talk radio show. He gave an overview of his book but never mentioned anything about the African priests from Egypt who migrated to India and ruled for many years. I decided to call in and give the history of these Africans who created the Indus Valley Civilization. I told of the three wars fought by the African armies with those from the Caucus Mountains. I told how finally the Caucus Mountain armies were victorious.
The victors eventually intermarried with Indian women and created the caste system based on color. Those natives of India whose skin had lightened were placed at the top of the caste system and those who remained as dark as their previous black African masters and teachers were placed at the bottom of the caste system where they are called to this day,” the untouchables”. This is why Indians are classified in the American census as “Caucasian.”
When I completed my comments, the Indian historian paused, took a deep breath t said, “Everything the lady says is true. I didn’t include it in my book because had I included it, I would not have been given the grants needed to complete my book. I will be so glad when everything African is no longer political.” I was gratified but shocked at the same time.
I will never forget this on air conversation. Films from Bollywood struggle to tell this truth. They too, labor under the delusion that Africans from Egypt have nothing to do with their history. It is all so sad. Not all Egyptians depicted on ancient walls are fair. Herodotus described ancient Egyptians as black skinned with thick lips, broad noses and coarse hair. He thought they were so wise and knowledgeable that they were like gods. Arabs came into Egypt about 300AD. Asians have been tested and retested. Their oldest DNA markers are African like everyone else in the world.
Schools won’t allow the truth to be taught and there seems to be a vicious determination to write black Africans out of ancient Egypt’s vast and illustrious history. Why? What is the fear? And will someone tell me why any historical commentary written to show reasonably fair treatment of blacks in history must always be identified as “afrocentric.” I take it when commentary is written by whites it is “the” truth instead of being “Eurocentric.” It’s 2012 and yet many are lost in fears of every kind. By the way, in “The Journey of Man,” a PBS Special tracing DNA research around the world, the scientist found that in older communities of Europeans, there was more African DNA, than found in inner-city African Americans in American urban areas. So much for the “races” theory. There is only one race of man.
here ye! here ye! David Frawley the so called Dravidian expert believes that the true Dravidians were white people
And yes that Nobel winning genetecist Watson has got black genes
That’s because Robert Lindsay and a lot of Eurocentrist buy into the race theory where the so-called races are static, no amount of evidence to the contrary will suffice but the last 500 yrs has been especially hard on Africans because of the lingering effects of slavery and the justifications for it,take for example the biblical legend of the curse of Ham.it was used as a religious justification for enslavement of of Blacks anywhere,but a quick look at the sons of Ham in the very same bible made them out to be founders of mighty civilizations, Four Sons of Ham
1. Mizraim (Egypt)
2. Cush (Sudan, Ethiopia)
3. Put (Lybia)
4. Canaan (Hivites, Jebusites, Arvadites, Girgashites, Amorites, Arkites, Sinites, Hittites, Sidonians, Perizzites, Zemarites)
And Kush begot Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth* and the beginning of his Kingdom was Babel in the land of Shinar (Sumer)
Genesis 10:8
So the problem became how to square the inferiority of the sons of Ham with their dominance in everything in the distant past,the answer double speak,simply change the sons of Ham into white folks with a Tan that refused to go away but keep the curse on visibly black folks.(keep in mind that Ham means Black in Hebrew,Kam meant Black in ancient Egyptian which they called themselves in anycase Kemitu the black community)
But perhaps some are more scientifically minded,in that case go around measuring skulls and nose width and if you find narrow featured skulls in anywhere in Africa especially in an ancient context then these are your Caucasoid,but in a modern context when they are pot bellied and starving with flies in their eyes then they are pathetic Negroids who can’t find food and are too violence prone to run a country in any case you don’t want one marrying your sister or living next door.
I’m having a hard time believing that ancient Egypt was built by a Caucaziod people or even asiatic people’s. The hard evidence is in present day Sudan. There are more pyramids in presen day Sudan than there are in all of Egypt. Now are you saying that those pyramids where Nubian kings were buried have nothing to do with the exact same traditions that ancient Egyptians practiced?I’m so sorry but if you take a look at the way ancient Egyptians depicted themselves you can’t deny the African roots. Skin color was definitely dark just look at the walls of Ramses ii or look at Tutankhamen’s throne. Dark skin and Nubian twist hairstyles. History has accounted for multiple invasions of Egypt and Sudan (considered Ethiopia in ancient times) by Persian military’s and Roman military’s for the simple fact that they wanted total control of the gold trade. It is so sad that nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that Nubians actually had an advanced civilization before any Caucasian. Greek gods are just a replication of ancient egyption beliefs. The first written language was developed by ancient Egyptians and of course money. And for the record I am not African or an Afrocentrist, I am actually of Hispanic heritage but leave African heritage alone eurocentrist you have your own history just as I do. Even though Europeans tried to bury our ancient cities and steal our gold they survived the test of time and you cannot take that away.
My Black Brothers and Sisters, It’s a waste of time arguing with these Johnny come lately wanna be Egyptians. If it wasn’t for the Moors, they would still be in the dark ages. They are only known for stealing, killing, raping, kidnapping and many more ungodly things. We been on this planet for millions of years, They only been here a little over 6 thousand years. We are their mothers and fathers. Melanin is the Key to it all, without it, they are doomed. All praise is due to Amen-Ra the most high.
Dr James Watson, Nobel prize winner in Genetics, once claimed that darker guys have more testesterone and hence libido. That theory sure fits in well with the East Asian men
Well well well, I have read the most delusional crap ever. For one thing google the very first pharaoh and please tell me that’s not a Negro nose!! And furthermore white ppl were never elaborate in dressing themselves like all true Africans are Egyptian or otherwise. You all still are very shabby dressers who wear virtually no flamboyant colors. So i really cant see an ugly white man or woman wearing a gold headdress. Or the men with a beard or goatee. And egypt is not the true name of the land along the the nile.It was even on the hieroglyphs called kem or kmt which translates to black. Even your so called historians Herodotus said they were black with wooly hair. I meant really though, the fact of the matter is look at those death masks!! If them ain’t negro noses lol then there must not be a such thing as a Negro nose.. Again lol!! And I have one more brief observation.. Why are their pyramids on every continent except Europe! In Africa (not just Egypt either) south america (the mayans) , asia too. I’m just saying what was y’all ancestors doing besides drinking and having sex with boys, oh and please don’t hit me with that Rome n Sparta bullshit either lol all that shit is crooked lol leaning towers n whatnot. Not impressive. I guess somethings never change too on your end! Stealing ideas and plaigurising our geometric system, introducing liquor to clean ppl, and robbing Timbuktu for it’s vast libraries and gold. Yes!!’ Timbuktu is in west Africa n was wealthier than Egypt. Were the first makers of what we call books. So exactly what did y’all flatbacks do in our world besides steal, kill n destroy?.. P.S and there is no way you can think those fine ass pharaohs were anything but brothers cus whites boys ain’t hardly that well built and good looking.
Listen here Black woman. I am banning you baby.
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Ancient Egyptians were black, but not black like African Americans (West African stock) and West Africans. Ancient Egyptians looked like what modern day Horn Africans (Ethiopians, Somalis, Eritreans, Djiboutians) look like. Basically, they are indeed black people, but they don’t have the big gorilla nose that other negroes tend to have.
Chichi man I am sure you believe the tripe that you wrote, but one I have never seen a gorilla nose on any Black person I have seen wide broad noses on humans including some Africans, but genetics do not support your stance in any case see http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf or http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=991 and then again broad featured Africans were present in the north med In the ancient sample of the Iberian Peninsula highlights the presence of 50% of sub-Saharan lines.
From this point on you can ignore the links and post in willfull ignorance or you can clik the links and learn something your choice Chichi man.
Read more: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=872#ixzz2Fft8aJPF
Look at the pictures and statutes of Egyptian royalty to suss out how they looked. Nefertiti had fine acquiline nose if I am not mistaken
Yeah and so does my mom and sis matter o fact so does a lotta blacks and nose shape varies in kemet as well as other parts of Africa,ever seen Winnie Mandela?? http://tte2uq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pRKyv2oRwk9UcpcIEEzbjKwIGqLvMxRjjAZ7UyxMU2hFC4Q5bS-bAcF5nqL-qi1sSprYrCpXwiMnWT4rlAad3_9tjFvAy-2iK/Shepseskaf%20-%20fourth%20dynasty.jpg?psid=1
http://www.azhumanities.org/images/speakers/Smith_Tunkara_image.jpg
http://cache2.artprintimages.com/p/LRG/22/2272/U6BID00Z/art-print/gavin-hellier-portrait-of-a-fulani-woman-wearing-traditional-gold-earrings-mopti-mali-west-africa-africa.jpg
http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/cachette31.jpg
But why the insistance on what nose shape they have instead of who thet are culturally,geographically,and biologically.
That’s the only racial classification system in the world. Physical anthropometry.
Bob’s a bit shallow and fleeting in his analyses. For example he talks about Iranians as if they are a race- then he shows a picture of a woman who lives in Iran but is ethnic Azeri. So I don’t get his point. Iranian is not a race but a conglomerate of many people. For example the surname ending with “ian” is actually Armenian I think but is now a property of 3 countries ( Azer Iran Armen) and now America.
But he’s got some real interesting articles I grant you that
ancient egyptians are not negroid…and they did not have negroid features, cleopatra,was half greek, and tolomec,they intermarried alot…..look at the tomb walls…the people were a nice kind of bronze…some of their slaves were nubian…black skin…if you look at civil war pics of blacks…they didnt get more aguiline feautures,..until they started having babies with the white bosses…Oprah’s DNA was linked back to Senegal…did you see that episode? when newsweek reported the finding of king tuts facial reconstruction…he looked more like a modern arab boy…and alot of blacks were outraged…but I did enjoy the michael jackson “remember the time” video,where they were dressed like egyptians…where dark skin (bronze) is more realistic,that whitie skin….in that time. and Iam not a white woman ,I cant wait til science does a more extensive profile on DNA..maybe that would help put to rest,some of these outlandish arguments, that egyptians are negros,were all so mixed bloods…remember egyptians of old are not the same living today in egypt…Oprahs DNA shows her roots going back to “Senegal”
Why would anyone care about Cleopatra a decendant of an interloper Greek whose claim to fame was that she humped her way into power but was an epic fail anyways,unlike the Queen of Kush in the same era that fought the Romans rather than fuk-em and kept her empire for the next 1500yrs
And what the hell does Oprah have to do with anything but since you did not clik to any of the above studies lemmie help you out for a sec.
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Table of Contents:
Introduction …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… 1
Last of the Amarna Pharaohs: King Tut and His Relatives …………………………………………………… 2
Historical Background ……………………………………………………………………………………………… 2
Genetic Analysis of Amarna Mummies ………………………………………………………………………. 3
Conclusion ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………… 4
Appendix: Regional Analysis for Individual Amarna Mummies ……………………………………. 5
Getting the Most from Your STR Testing ………………………………………………………………………….. 9
Introduction
Hello, and welcome to the January 2012 issue of DNA Tribes® Digest. This month’s article
features an analysis of several mummies, including the famous King Tut and his relatives. These
individuals lived in a unique time more than three thousand years ago: the “Amarna period,” which has
left a vivid archaeological record of life in pharaonic Egypt.
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Last of the Amarna Pharaohs: King Tut and His Relatives
Historical Background
During the exploration of Egypt, a puzzle emerged along the Nile River: a singular ancient city
that had been hastily abandoned to the desert. The site dated to the mid 1300’s BCE (the height of New
Kingdom Egypt) and became known as Amarna (named for the local Beni Amran tribe).
Unusual discoveries here included cuneiform tablets (the Amarna letters), written in a “peripheral
Akkadian” vernacular spoken in the Levantine cities of the former Hyksos and their relatives to the north.
Even more unusual was the “Amarna art” found in the city. Unlike the idealized royal icons customary in
ancient Egypt, Amarna was decorated with naturalistic portraits emphasizing the individuality of the
king’s family and retinue.
Absent from Amarna were images of Egypt’s ancient pantheon. Instead, this abandoned city had
been dedicated to the more abstract “Aten,” symbolized by the sun’s orb extending its rays.1
Examination of texts and monuments revealed this as the lost city of Akhetaten (“Horizon of the
Aten”), freshly built for the “rebel pharaoh” Akhenaten and his wife Nefertiti. The iconoclastic
Akhenaten had opposed the wealthy and influential priesthood of Egypt by closing temples, removing the
names of the gods from monuments, and even forbidding use of the plural term “gods.” Known in life as
“Living in Ma’at” (Justice or Truth), he was later remembered only as the “Criminal of Akhetaten.”
After Akhenaten’s rule ended in unknown circumstances, his name was erased from all future
king lists. Traditional polytheism was then re-established under Tutankhamun (“King Tut”) and the
former vizier Ay.2 Despite helping the return to Egyptian customs, the names of Tut and Ay were also
omitted from Egyptian records for their association with the “rebel pharaoh.”
Shortly after it had been built, the city of Akhetaten was abandoned. Ironically, the ruins of the
“City of the Horizon” became an archaeological time capsule. The Egyptian desert preserved the city’s
documents, naturalistic art, open air building designs, and urban layout as a testament to an innovative
moment in ancient history.
The end of the Amarna period marked the conclusion of the Thutmosid 18th Dynasty of Egypt.
King Tut and his relatives were to be the last descendants of one of the ancient pharaonic families,
sometimes said to have ancestral links with the Land of Punt (near the Horn of Africa).3
Archaeologists have discovered several royal mummies linked to the Amarna period. These
include not only the famous mummy of King Tut, but also his mother KV35YL and relatives Amenhotep
III and Yuya. However, the association of the mummy KV55 with the iconoclast of Amarna remains
uncertain. KV55 has been tentatively identified as Akhenaten; however, it is still debated whether this is
the “rebel pharaoh” himself or instead the remains of another relative (such as Smenkhkare).
1 During Akhenaten’s reign, the “Aten” was represented as a phonetic name and inscribed in a cartouche, suggesting
an abstract yet personal concept of deity sometimes compared to the Abrahamic traditions. For instance, some
scholars have compared Psalm 104 with devotional poetry found in the ruins of Akhetaten.
2 Ay was “Overseer of All the Horses of His Majesty” and possibly the father-in-law of Akhenaten and related to
several studied Amarna mummies.
3 More recently, some archaeologists have compared the Predynastic Naqada culture of Egypt with the “A-Group”
culture of Nubia (located south of Egypt along the Nile River).
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Genetic Analysis of Amarna Mummies
Geographical analysis of the Amarna mummies was performed using their autosomal STR
profiles based on 8 tested loci.4 Results are summarized in Table 1 and illustrated in Figure 1. Maps for
individual Amarna mummies are included in Figures 2-8 in the Appendix.
Discussion: Average MLI scores in Table 1 indicate the STR profiles of the Amarna mummies would be
most frequent in present day populations of several African regions: including the Southern African
(average MLI 326.94), African Great Lakes (average MLI 323.76), and Tropical West African (average
MLI 83.74) regions.
These regional matches do not necessarily indicate an exclusively African ancestry for the
Amarna pharaonic family. However, results indicate these ancient individuals inherited some alleles that
today are more frequent in populations of Africa than in other parts of the world (such as D18S51=19 and
D21S11=34).
MLI for World Region Thuya Yuya KV35EL
Amenhotep
III
KV55 KV35YL Tut Average
Southern African 359.72 34.48 20.73 108.53 174.90 71.17 1,519.03 326.94
African Great Lakes 233.49 35.53 20.87 222.53 381.30 44.58 1,328.01 323.76
Tropical West African 142.84 8.91 6.93 37.43 53.03 22.99 314.00 83.74
Horn of Africa 14.65 0.79 5.17 12.03 4.54 22.00 44.35 14.79
Sahelian 39.14 0.74 5.76 2.97 4.40 16.85 30.41 14.33
Levantine 0.40 1.56 0.66 10.30 6.07 8.40 21.08 6.92
Aegean 0.12 0.35 0.87 9.06 7.05 20.16 9.85 6.78
Arabian 0.12 0.42 0.70 5.58 2.83 21.41 10.91 6.00
Northwest European 0.21 0.28 1.26 3.99 10.41 15.01 5.33 5.21
Mediterranean 0.08 0.23 0.74 4.54 5.81 16.80 6.04 4.89
North African 2.22 0.21 0.75 3.39 3.25 12.63 6.55 4.14
Mesopotamian 0.06 0.41 0.63 6.24 2.69 11.54 5.27 3.84
Table 1: Top MLI (Match Likelihood Index) scores for Amarna mummies based on the world regions identified by
DNA Tribes® STR analysis. Each MLI score identifies the likelihood
Aquiline Features before OOA movement?
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If you can comprehend the above then you are making head way.
Absolute Nonsense the scientific community are at logger heads over the testing methods used, any result can not be relied on because of ancient and new contamination , the result can be twisted and lead to false claims please read the article in the link:
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110427/full/472404a.html
If you really want to know the truth, research what van sertima had to say regarding the melalin tests carried out by Unesco on the Phoeroes mummified bodies which proved without a shadow of a doubt that the Mummies of the pharaohs were in fact that of black African men. As the high levels of melalin in skin can only be found in
black Africans and people of black skin.
The melanin in the skin is produced by melanocytes, which are found in the basal layer of the epidermis. Although, in general, human beings possess a similar concentration of melanocytes in their skin, the melanocytes in some individuals and ethnic groups especially black Africans are higher than everyone elses, and that’s a fact that is indisputable.
So please don’t try and use false DNA testing results to try and claim a link to the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs, because it is utter rubbish.
Why not use DNA? and all other scienctific measures ? Eygptians of old, are not the eygptians of today…Eygptians may have been in the african region, but they were not “Negroids” Cleopatra was part masadonian,(greek)and tolomec…if DNA wouldnt help to clear up this part of the argument,then what would/ endless debate and argument
I agree Noelle, but until the scientific community agree on a solid basis for Dna testing of the ancient Pharaohs , which can take into account the substances they used to in balm them I don’t think the results can be relied on to be accurate.
But I believe there is just too much evidence which proves who they were and what they looked like, for example I witness accounts from just one of the Greek theologian. Herodotus Book 2: Euterpe [50] no 57 & Herodotus Book 2: Euterpe [100] http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hh/hh2100.htm
I believe these and many more statements from these ancient greek theolgians should close the argument about who they really were.
In 2005 I joined genebase.com…they send you a swab…and test it in their lab…and you can see where your ancestors originated…I only did my mothers side, she was born in north africa, of french spanish jewess…my dads a mexican american,with apache great grand dad…were a mix, thats for sure…my skin color is that kind of orangey red,you see on the tomb walls…but what the hells does that mean…just that people ask me especially during the summer, wow, what beautiful skin…so are you saying, . lets see, twelve tribes in israel…everyone, went off their own way…you get latinos, whites, blacks…kmaybe when we hhit the other side, we can see whats really going on…with features,and skin color…
I think they were mixed. As are modern Egyptians today
Dear Robert Lindsay,
It’s great you’re interested in the Ancient Egyptians, but quite frankly, you’re just another Iceman racist. You’re the residue of Europe, full of hate, war, and disease..see the Black Death, catchy name! You monkeys, and I say that because science claims ALL NON AFRICAN people come from neanderthal, are so smart, can you explain the Dark Ages? Or how you didn’t get a book until the 17th century? Where are you getting you’re research, the so-called Jews? Because they’re thieves too! I love you Robert, you and your cave-men brothers and sisters have always been cold…
Ok Great Black Man, you are banned.
The Black Death was a misnomer. If you want to experience the real Black Death up close and personal, just go pay a visit to any US inner city. Make sure to watch your back!
Ancient Black Wisdom is a great thing. It lives on today, especially in US inner cities, where we see the Ancient Black Wisdom on display so well. It takes a special sort of wisdom to take a great inner city and turn it into a Dystopian throwback state. It’s probably not that easy; not anyone can do just that! Kudos to the primordial Black mind you all are tapping.
its funny how both extremes want to claim Egypt as their own race. like it makes any difference.
Lindsay, you obviously have a problem with black people, were you molested by a black person as a child?
Anyways lets get down and dirty with this debate.
Firstly all DNA evidence performed on mummies seem to show an admixture of both sub Saharan, and eurasian DNA, however it appears the % of the eurasian admixture is greater, and it mostly comes from the paternal side (y chromosne) BUT thats looking at mummies of relatively recent dynasties (ie king tut of the 18th dynasty) going back to the earlier dynasties we dont really have dna samples of the mummies, but we do have some sub Saharan looking statues. PLEASE check out statues of Huni and Djoser. for me thats not evidence anyways.
what i would call evidence and intriguing is the fact that the oldest mummy in africa is of a sub saharan child in libya that is about 6000 years old. its funny how people forget about it. also the fact that Kushites and to a certain degree the Dmt civilization that preceded aksum were very similar to egypt, then again for me that isnt really evidence( apart from the uan muhuggiag mummy). i have so much other “circumstantial evidence that i could write, ie the similarities of sports that the hausas of nigeria or sum tribes of sudan perform that is very similar to egyptian sporting rites. please search Dambe.
also the facial characteristics of the sphinx appear to be sub Saharan, but i really cant be bothered.
anwayz i feel afrocentrist just try to use egypt to tell themselves that sub saharan Africans could achieve something, they dont intelligently look at the evidence or try and see sense, they just see conspiracy.
and people like lindsay, might have a problem with blacks (perhaps due to the fact that we was fondled by a big bad negro) or he just thinks that statistical evidence (bell curve bullshit) shows that on average sub Saharan tend to be intellectually inferior.
well all i can say is this, pre rome, most of western europe where in the stone age, the mayans ethipians, nubians, Chinese, assyrians sumerians, all were technoligically superior back then, but who rules the world now?
its not about who dominated 5000 years ago, its about where you are going.
Alf claming Kemet as Black and African is not an extreme as especially in the early dyn,right up to the Greco/Roman era they were for the most part just that black and African and as far as biology goes the were a tropically adopted people,as they were discribed as “Super Negroid” a term I hate corresponding to bone structure and Profile on the Nile
“Genetic kinship analyses revealed identical haplotypes in both mummies (table 1); using the Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, we determined the Y chromosomal haplogroup E1b1a. The testing of polymorphic autosomal microsatellite loci provided similar results in at least one allele of each marker (table 2).”
–Hawass et al 2012. Revisiting the harem conspiracy and death of Ramesses III. British Medical Journal, BMJ2012;345:e8268
Haplogroup E1b1a (now known as E-M2) is an
African DNA group, most commonly found in sub-Saharan Africa QUOTE:
“Haplogroup E1b1 now contains two basal branches, E-V38 (E1b1a) and E-M215 (E1b1b), with V38/V100 joining the two previously separated lineages E-M2 (former E1b1a) and E-M329 (former E1b1c). Each of these two lineages has a peculiar geographic distribution. E-M2 is the most common haplogroup in sub-Saharan Africa, with frequency peaks in western (about 80%) and central Africa (about 60%).”
–Trombetta et al 2011. A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2)
PLoS ONE 6(1): e16073.
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While the preceding 18th Dyn plotted heavily with the people of the Great lakes and Southern Africans
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And while Kemet was important there are those of us who look at other river valleys and further up the Nile river.
African Historical Ruins – you never see on TV
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All right alf. I never got molested by anyone, much less a Big Black man, when I was a kid. Most sane folks have a problem with Black people when large enough numbers of them are present. That’s what White Flight is all about. White Flight is all about *sanity.* Sane people of any race start taking off real quick when the neighborhood starts getting too Black. In fact, even the sane and decent Black people start taking off when the neighborhood gets too Black. The stories I could tell you.
And Black people are indeed intellectually inferior on average, but I don’t like to talk about it too much on here. That’s not even really controversial among any honest scientists.
Alf, you talk about eygpt 5000 years ago…Eygpt is alot older than , more than 9000, and probably older…some responders on this site, say well neffertiti looked like some of the black bi-racial women,we have today, think Beyonce etc..and thats suppose to be evidence,that negros were eygptians…your way off…your grasping…what is that all about? just because eygptians were in africa, deosntg meantheir “Negroid”look at the tomb wallks as a starting point…the nubians, were black , ethiopians have more linear features,and they are black, but are they negroids…eyptians,were a bronze kind of orange hue…look at civil war pics, of black slaves…is that suppose to be egyptian blacks?
Haha!!! It’s like you guys just ignored my comments on the famed Libyan mummy, or the statues or the cultural similarities with some west African tribes ( Hausa )
Yeh I know some theories claim egypt to be older, for example a prof of geology at MIT asserts that due to water erosion visible on the body of the sphinx, It could be as old as 9000 years. What’s funny is that 9000 years ago the inhabitants of much of the Sahara were what you would call black. And some archeological dogs in Libya, Sudan and Egypt show a similarity to what became ancient Egypt, google uan muggiag mummy.
Anyways my point is the pre dynastiic and even the early dynasties were predominantly black, With little to know semite admixture. But towards 3000bc Semites started to migrate towards the Nile, and they started to influence Egypt
A US inner city is the result of racial disparity in the “criminal justice system”, otherwise known as slavery. No need to watch my back around my own people, although you should. Ancient Black Wisdom is most certainly a great thing, it’s actually the topic of your blog. Of course, you’ve seen Ancient Egyptian depictions of themselves, right? (They’re obviously not, um..let’s say white) I just don’t understand how these apes, living in holes, thawed, came to Kemet and built Pyramids! Why? I mean there was plenty of room in Europe! Where is the evidence of their greatness before the 17th century? Ha! Neither do I! Neither do they!
You’re so ridiculously racist and ignorant. The inner city in this God-forsaken country your ancestors stole, is the result of their own policy. And, you, the great-grandson, better yet, the waste matter of years of oppression, have the audacity to claim the goodness of Africa? May God have mercy on your wretched soul. Your people have spoiled His people and divided His land. And have taken the goodness of our God and our ancestors and called your own.
The only mistake Afrikans have made is welcoming a stranger into our home, who stole, murdered, raped, and utterly destroyed our family structure. Chains and prison cells come from your people, just as war and disease. You cowards never go one on one, with no weapons, you’re not able. Take it back home with you. Mr. Robert Lindsay, you’re a coward, lying and hiding behind webpages and false literature, in order to feel some assurance, because even you know how wretched the devil is. But, the dry bones are sleeping, not dead. And our Creator is breathing new life into the Ancient Man.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Robert Lindsay wrote:
> ** > Alf commented: “Haha!!! It’s like you guys just ignored my comments on > the famed Libyan mummy, or the statues or the cultural similarities with > some west African tribes ( Hausa ) Yeh I know some theories claim egypt to > be older, for example a prof of geology at MIT asse” >
Such an intelligent Black guy, and you are wasting your time with Afrocentric idiocy. So sad, and also, you are banned.
Happy New Year!
Haha!!! It’s like you guys just ignored my comments on the famed Libyan mummy, or the statues or the cultural similarities with some west African tribes ( Hausa )
Yeh I know some theories claim egypt to be older, for example a prof of geology at MIT asserts that due to water erosion visible on the body of the sphinx, It could be as old as 9000 years. What’s funny is that 9000 years ago the inhabitants of much of the Sahara were what you would call black. And some archeological digs in Libya, Sudan and Egypt show a similarity to what became ancient Egypt, google uan muggiag mummy.
Anyways my point is the pre dynastiic and even the early dynasties were predominantly black, With little to know semite admixture. But towards 3000bc Semites started to migrate towards the Nile, and they started to influence Egypt
Really I bet if one went to eygpt and asked the current egyptians if the american black man is a decendent of eygptians…you’d get an ear full….take an atlas out and look at it…the africans that were taken to american, were on the other side of where egyptians were…if they were a bronze orangey hue, what happend then…they got darker in the US???? you want us to believe, that compton thug, is a decendant of king tut? I would ask, how wide was the fall…people/tribes have been wiped out for millienium, and disappear, never to be found, like I said before, egyptians of old, are not the ones of today…I think the only way to stop this ridiculous, banter, is to get more scientific…look at the blood types of today…what is it…type O is only 20,000 years old? or something like that…scientific will but this all to rest…my mothers from north africa, her skin is white in winter, but she can get black literally in summer…me…I have latin father, so I get that bronze hue…like eygptians…so does that mean…that Iam part egyptian….MY POINT IS…doesnt matter color…you can look in any ones family…some dont look like they belong….if you take one persons grandparents…and then their grandparents….do you know how many people it took…something like 2400 people…to just go back a a few hundred years….maybe someday this will all get fetered out…but for now…most people dont believe that eygptians werre negros….your saying…eygptians were bronze, nubians black…and todays blacks are the egytptians of old?? bull hockey…
Really Noelle?? if you go to Egypt and say Egypt was black you get an ear full,well that might depend on who you are taking with
But not from friends of mine who happends to be Egyptians and yes that includes lite-skinned ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtWLry9o70c
an Egyptian woman discussing a the origins of their people this time from lower Egypt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBz0Cllbch4
Sorry for the split post but here is the rest from an Egyptian historian/guide enjoy.
Anansi, if your reply is to disuade me, your comment didnt even really make sense…its a “Given”that if one were to speak to someone else, your’d get a different reply, Duh….WTF??? Iam in the camp, that does not believe…that the American Black person is decendent from Egyptiians of over 6+ thousand of years ago…go down the line…of papers, and scientific tests, and all the info isnt in yet…in a few more years, hopefulloy it can all be brought to a satisfaction…take a simple fact, look at the tomb walls…eygptians, bronze/orange skin color, Nubians, Black (not saying they are usa black) how did eygptians go from bronze to blacker than a black?? the egyptians of old, are not the egyptians today ,the blood types of many people living today and have 0only been in existence for some for just 5 thousand years….sure who wouldnt want to be related to egyptians of old…then what? look at old civil war pics of slaves taken from there homes in africa…your saying those are eygptians of old??
Noelle Iam not here to disuade you from anything I don’t care if you hold on to your belief like a religion,but I will respond to misstatement of facts and it was you who challange anyone to go to Egypt and ask Egyptians on the matter and recieve an ear-ful,we did and we have a couple of answers,I especially like the lady historian’s answers and explaination,and frankly Africans south of the desert come in all shades and and phenotype,but more importantly they are connected biologically to each-other and yes that includes AAs and others,lemme clue you on a lil something,you see about 6-7kyrs B.C there was the green Sahara,well it dried up and folks scattered East West North and South some hit the Nile some went to the Niger others eventually reached the Zambezi.Look up Nabta Playta and Gilf al-Kebir,look up the cattle keeping cultures along the entire Nile up to the Great Lakes where the God Bes came from and the Land of the Gods Ta netjer(Land of the Gods) to the East is located,eyeball anthropology is useless,but i’ll make this a lil easier for you.
Pay attention to time 14;00
http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/hjdrewal/Ife3.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/28/53086299_83e40aa788.jpg
The first one is a sculpture of a Yoruba figure called a Child of Obatala. Obatala is a Yoruba god. And the second one is the Egyptian god Bes. And they are both wearing a skull necklace.
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I belong to the camp, that as Hawass says, that Eygptians were not “Negroid” look at the tomb walls…Nubians are blacker than coffee…I dont think they are decendants of American blacks…look at the egyptians on those same walls(tomb) king tut, is bronze colored, trampling on Nubians…Anansi, you ramble, and you say nothing…are you kidding me? you make no sense whats so ever…I like it short and sweet,just like I wrote it here, go on utube, and see some rastafan dude, yelling at the king tut, exhibit, that its all a lie, about king tut, comming out looking like an arab boy of today…physically….go on and dilude yoursel, dear…but your way off…
Noelle you chose to stick your fingers in your ears,put blinders over your eyes,and ignore evidence to the contrary,like genetic, biological,cultural evidence and eye witness testimony of the Hebrews,Greeks Romans and early Arabs and Egyptians themselves,you rely on eye ball anthropology and personal antidote which is selective, even your ramblings about bronze orangy skinned painted Egyptians is off the mark as the same color scheme can be found in Kushitie Temples and paintings right across Africa and into the diaspora.
Look who’s calling the pot black…Yes there were black pharoahs in kush, there was a kush dynasty who reigned in the middle of the 7th dynasty BC who was driven out by the Assyrians…the greeks called those people “Ethiopians”but king tut was not a negro…and I dont believe he was white…He lived in the east northern part of Africa, the slaves that were picked up thousand of years later were in the west coast by that time…were from Ghana,cape verde, and other places…so for the most part, blacks in the united states, to affiliate themselves with the Egyptians,for the most part that most people see romantizies on tv and movies, is not where the blacks/negros are of today…look at photografes of black slaves in the 1800…there blacker than coffee…is that what your saying is King tut’s decendants, ridiculous…have you seen the newsweek remake of King Tuts face (forensic)? yet you say…its white America, cover up!! are you for real?? how do you reason with someone such as yourself?? look at all the evidence…the tomb walls…if Eygptians were black, why do they show nubians, as B L A C K… and themselves a brown orange bronze?? I find that blacks are more racist than any other peoples I have encountered, to say that all pharoahs were black is ridiculous…
Blah blah blah and more blah, black slaves ad-infinatum,dude Africans came to the America’s from all points in Africa ever heard of Estevanico the Explorer of Arizona and New Mexico?? well where was he from?? we Africans coming from as far east as frikin Madagascar.and again with the bronze orange thingy..I see chocolate brown for the most part,and again look at how the Kush painted themselves,and if you gonna use the Greeks to buttress you argument why not go all the way.
Diodorus Siculus:
that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony. For, speaking generally, what is now Egypt, they maintain, was not land but sea when in the beginning the universe was being formed; afterwards, however, as the Nile during the times of its inundation carried down the mud from Ethiopia, land was gradually built up from the deposit. Also the statement that all the land of the Egyptians is alluvial silt deposited by the river receives the clearest proof, in their opinion, from what takes place at the outlets of the Nile; for as each year new mud is continually gathered together at the mouths of the river, the sea is observed being thrust back by the deposited silt and the land receiving the increase. And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners. For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay to their burials, and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian.
http://wysinger.homestead.com/diodorus.html
Anansi, yes there were kush Pharoahs…the greeks called them ethiopians, not all pharoahs were “Black”….King Tut, was not a negro….go to utube, and watch that rastifarian dude, shouting outside of the “King Tut” exhibit…that its all whiteys lies…when the exhibit, displayed the forensic, display of Tut’s face….it looked like an Arab youth of today…even tho the eygptians of Tuts day, are not thesame egyptian of today…so? whats your point….I bet if they did DNA…(go to genebase.com and pay, 120.00 for a saliva swab of one side of your mothers side of the family…and see a map of where you originated) you can also get your fathers side…I bet you’ll see yusa Blacks are not ethiopians, or eygptian…there senegal, ghana,cape verde…etc…for the most part, its a hatred of blacks for whites…Iam sorry but I find some black here in los angeles, more racist…than whites…I dont say Tut and his people were white…thats just in movies…and as far as, comments, that look at neffertiti, and example…a Beyonce…and that proves it, is ridiculous…look at civil war pics,of black slaves, blacker than coffee grounds…its only when black and whites in the last 2 hundred years in this country….that you get that…beautiful bi racial mix…that this modern day woman, would look like a neffertiti…the slaves ancestors of the people here in the americas today…are from the west coast of africa…not from the sudan, and eygpt…yet, blacks here, want to believe, that they come from king tuts people, ridiculous….
I suggest you go to genebase.com put your DNA in there, its a start…I know a black woman, who was sure they had american Indian blood (family folk lore) and found out, they actually had a chinese relative…but no American Indian…I know, it sounds romantic huh…Ive know alot of people, in the 70′s that all told me, they had an American Indian princess in there lineage….Really…WTF…is that suppose to make me, feel more kindred with you?? its mystifying why us Black want to believe they are decendent from Egyptians…we as a people, are so intertwined, but to say, us blacks are eygptians I dont believe is correct, wait till all the info comes in…and when your in a hot enviorment, your skin gets darker…and being born or moving to africa, doesnt make you negroid….isnt there only what like 3 or how many races? negroid, caucasoid,oriental, and then what??
Im sorry Noelle but you have to take into account the slave trade which deported so many black africans of that region all over the world, most losing there history and connection, with who they were ,surely your not denying that fact , it seems you are denying i witness accounts from the greek theologians, i think i would rather listen to a i witness account , of which descibes or indicates who the early ancient peoples of Eygpt were, rather than a study of DNA now which can be manipulated .
there are not many high courts in the world where a, i witness account or a wriiten account from a witness isnt taken as the truth , especially from a people or person with no axe to grind at that point in time. think about it, please do some more research. your right to a extent the later dynisties were possibly very mixed after several invasions and a period of time..
my issue is the fact that there has always been and there is now, so much evidence which is not reported and not written about and published and hidden because it does fit with the current modern day image of the builders and
the peoples of that pirticular civilisation amongst other reasons of which i wont go into here, But the truth will always come out & win in the end.
The Black slaves that came to the America’s were taken from the west coast of africa, yes there were black pharoahs, in kush, the greeks called them ethiopians…to say that all pharoahs in egypt were “Black” is wrong, King Tut, was not negro…and no ones quite sure ..I hear different, but Iam not going to debate that…people also argue, about the tomb walls…if Tut was black, why are the nubians black…and hiimself and his people, a brown bronze hue?? oh yea, thats the white mans lies!!! go to utube, and watch that rastifi dude, saying that…outside of the “King Tut” exhibit…because they did forensic,on King Tut’s face and he didnt look (gasp) black…he looked like a modern day arab…even tho, the eygptians living in Tuts time, are not the same as the eygptians of today….and I also find, Blacks today in America, where Iam from, Los Angeles, to be very racist…Iam considered white, by them, but Iam not considered white, by whites…and thats the truth, but I will get death threats, and s for using my !st ammendment…
Noelle I asked you to look at how other Africans painted them selves but intead you insist on making an ass out of yourself without doing the most basic research.
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5185/dagesu4bh.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7264/ten4af7.jpeg
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6385/ten1zo9.jpeg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1685/ten8pu7.jpeg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4294/ten12jx3.jpeg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8817/dahomeyvr2.jpg
Benin painting of battle scenes West Africa.
http://egyptianagriculture.com/images/egyptian_farming.gif
Kushite scene trade or tax mission
http://newsgrist.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ethiop.jpg
Ethiopian prayer book from the mid-15th century painted dark
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2426267325_cd5d9e7af0.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Baptism_-_Ethiopian_Biblical_Manuscript_U.Oregon_Museum_Shelf_Mark_10-844_b.jpg
Ethiopian Religious Painting
http://www.charlottefk.com/images/ethnic/zulu_family.jpg
http://www.charlottefk.com/images/ethnic/zulu_wedding.jpg
Painting done by Zulus.
Now please shut up about your Bronze orangy painting it means fuk-all as Africans painted themselves with pretty much the same hues.
I didnt use any derogatory words to you! calling me an ass, because I have a right to my opinion, just shows me and others, what a weak argument you have, you make lousy arguments…..When people start attacking others personally, it just shows, what an Idiot you are.Take a hike and go pound sand, Iam not interested in your drivel.
I picture the ancient Egyptians looking like obama
Sigh! more eyeball anthropology
http://www.lessing-photo.com/p3/030302/03030242.jpg
Mentuhotep
http://szedo.extra.hu/piramisok/temporary/mucern.jpg
Shepseskaf of the 4th dynasty
http://img.webme.com/pic/g/gizliilimler/akhobam.jpg
http://deephighlands.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/queentiye.jpg
Yes some did look looked like Obama but they were like any other group of people did not all look alike the painting at the very least is more of an ideal than anything else they differ among themselves
Is that how you debate? calling people names, and dismissing people with “Blah Blah Blah” that doesnt sound like a learned person…which now is blantantley evident….My God woman, with your infantile rhetoric…Iam still in the other camp….which alot of people agree with…I havent opened up your screen time…you look as dull as your “makes no sense” drivel…your just spouting words that make no sense…your unreasonable…dense….take it somewhere else…Iam not interested in your stupidity.Your like a dog with a bone…LOL
You deserved to be dismissed at this point as your are repetitive and bring nothing new to the table, I am not interested in your opinions with absolutely nothing to back it up but your imagination, most of all I hate willful ignorance and lazyness, just saying you are in the other camp is not using any scientific approach,you made claims which have been easily shut down,you lack objectiveness and gloss over information presented, you made no counter argument based on information provided and this was no debate as it has become obvious you are not my equal.
PS Anansi is Akan and means, simply, spider. and Iam a male.
Anansi,When you child man ,cannot debate ,without calling people names,you “sir” are dismissed, where did you get your degree? and if you have’nt noticed…you are dismissed “clueless” so stop emailing me…I’d like to see you talk to the experts…and use name calling.. and you can bet Iam not your equal… I’am above you…you mysogynist….yea brilliant, look the word up…Thank God were in the USA, if I was in your neck of the woods…I’d be murdered because Iam a woman. you are IGNORANT.
Hello Im an afrikan the evidence has already been made concrete that Ancient Egypt/Kemet was of an intellectual, and at the acme of modern knowledge race of very dark as in skin people. Denial is just a result of fear for the pale faced people. I know what they fear more than anything, and that is afrikans(true afrikans) obtaining knowledge by the masses. They know even if by the slightest of degree that when we unite we will excel, and outdo them succinctly. We will unite as an afrikan race, and when we do we will rein in on you pale faced people. Im sorry it will be this way, but you have sewn this judgement all your own. It is why you all desperately try to cloud truth out of fear. Do you actually believe that the pale faced people will not be punished for your years of oppressing? Not only to afrikans, but many others you all have done oodles of wrongs. When the time comes the pale faced, and arabs, and any not of our afrikan fatherland will be cast out like the lowly swine you are. I am truly sorry it has to be this way, but as Ive said the doing is all your own.
We are working on unity, trust, and education! amongst my afrikan brothers, and sisters. We have been beaten, and broken to shun these. Time brings all to light, and we will have our time again. We ask not that you give us our heritage, we want nothing from you, as we are not of, but you of us. We will TAKE our heritage, and lift the shade from the eyes my people, and beat the pale faced people with a truth that dries them out, and tizzies their minds. Pretty soon you will see more afrikans everywhere in places held in high regard doing prestigious professions at a caliber that pale faced people aren’t capable of. Remember my words because before you know we will be upon you before you are aware. It is right to fear us…
Pretty soon you will see more afrikans everywhere in places held in high regard doing prestigious professions at a caliber that pale faced people aren’t capable of. Remember my words because before you know we will be upon you before you are aware. It is right to fear us…
LOL, trembling in my boots here guy.
you all have done oodles of wrong
Beautiful phrase, I may use that myself, if you don’t mind.
Also understand we are different from you in every meaning of a superior mould. We are easily physically superior, but we will defeat you a your own game smarts. As we are the reason you have any if at all rem my words…
We are easily physically superior
Ye are certainly that, alas, that’s where the superiority ends. Best leave the thinking to the pale faces, ok!
It would be foolish to think that ancient Egyptians would have been any other race than black Nubians, given the hotness of Egypt. Egypt is even hotter than Cameroon and Congo, the land of the true bantus. Given the hard work of the Egyptians at that time, it would be unlikely that the art and science could have been done by caucasians, who would not have coped in that weather.
A little poem – for a tune.
Everywhere you look
you see me
everywhere you dig
you find me
you go into outer space
you find me
you go to inner space
you find me
oh what despair you say
where am i this day
you go back in time
all you find in mine
where am i you cry
so you try to replace
me, with yourself
but you have no success
you create an army
of geneticists
to probe and map me
but your mind just cant see
because of the complexity
of that which is me.
by pararealist.
For all the effort and energy expelled in discussing the ethnic connections of an ancient people, not a single post has questioned the relevance if such connection. Am I to take credit for accomplishments of my predecesors because we share genetic information? Am I also personally liable for the crimes of those sharing such genetic traits? This notion is ludicrous.
The origins of those who built ancient Egypt are relevant only in so far as the truth has been distorted in order to propagate the view that Black Africans are intellectually inferior. There is no scientific basis for this assertion. Alas there is no scientifically agreed definition let alone measurement of intelligence.
Eurocentrics – you are wrong. Black Africans are in no way inferior and yet have been made to feel so, systematically to the detriment of an entire race.
Afrocentrics – I empathise as much as a European can, if I were black I’m sure I’d be beyond angry. I have just one caveat, and for want of a better phrase; two wrongs will never make a right. Caucasians are not intellectually inferior either. I agree that black people are physically superior, to everyone else, not just whites. However, is ths how we measure humanity? By who can run faster or invade the most nations?
We are all, whether you believe in god or evolution, descended from the same people/place. We all deserve to be credited for who we are and the deeds that we have undertaken. As a European I do not deserve to be blamed for the slave trade, unless I continue such attitudes, which I do not, and nor do I deserve credit for the invention of penicillin.
I am incredibly suspicious of anyone who seeks affirmation of their self worth by reference to earlier humans with whom they may or may not share genetic information. Is that really all you got?
A good post. However, note that most Afro-centrics make these connections because our race is still being seen as inferior, even by people of our black race. If this was not the case, no-one would be writing here. Is there any smoke without fire? Since when did the truth cease to matter? Of course we go on with our lives and personal successes, but my success should not be considered as an exception, and our children should not grow in a society where their self-esteem is lowered. What Chloe says makes sense, but it is not futile for Africans to make the claims they do. Put your feet in our shoes. For instance, if it is alleged that your parents murdered to build the house you lived in and everyone avoids you when in reality you knew that they had gotten the money by lawful earnings, would you say the truth doesn’t matter?
Africans just want not to be written off as a low-IQ race, You could ask us to prove by succeeding now, but our kids have this legacy where their opportunities are less, let alone their confidence. And why on earth would world magazines describe beauty in a woman as blonde? What absurdity! Are there not ver beautiful women in China, Vietnam, Kenya, etc? Have you not heard of these jet-black Sudanese type women known as black beauty?
I have met the most beautiful of these jet-black girls who have no idea that they are the most gorgeous, and I blame this on white media.
As a Negroid Indian I do have some sympathy for blacks who say the Egyptions were black but sadly I can not agree. Ancient Egyptians were some sort of Caucasian race as we see in the rest of North Africa. The Coptic Christians are the direct descendants of such people. The paintings and sculptures are distinctly of Caucasian looking people just like the Coptics which just means Egyptians in their language a directly descended language from those time.
Nordics also make claims on the Greeks and Romans and say that they were Swedish or Norwegian. Again I can not agree. The direct descendants are still there and they neither look or talk like Swedes. Swedes at that stage were illiterates living in the frozen wastes of the North hundreds of miles from the great ancient civilization.
Arabs of course claim everything good that happened in Europe after the seventh century was due to them. Again the same mentality of claiming the work of others as your own. A massive propaganda effort costing lots of money is an on going thing in the current educational system of lots of Western countries in order to convince them. Even Ben Kingsley the actor and Prince Charles is involved.
Time for Nordics, Arabs and Blacks to get real. Reality is not so sweet but it is the truth.
i agree,however some time ago i claimed that thai architecture was highly probably designated by chinese immigrants (in my case i am not chinese,just saying to stop criticism against china) and i think my claim might be really true on the basis of facts like thailand since ancient times had a chinese minority that controls that country instead of the thais,highly suspicios of the thais,they dont seem bright in lots of things but their architecture is so bright =O i might be wrong but i will wait for robert lindsay to post some day “what race were the architects of the traditional thai architecture? thai? chinese? here the answer”
Narutto another group that needs to learn this lesson of not claiming the work of others is whites from countries that learnt from the creative white countries. Any white from deepest Siberia to toughest roughest Serbia claims all the achievements of just a handful of white creative countries just because they just happen to be white..
Most of the noteworthy achievement of civlisation, even up to 95 percent, come from Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Italy, Germany, Holland, France and Britain (England and Scotland); the rest of the white countries had very little to do with anything. Off the top of your head can you name a Norwegian scientist? No neither can I. But I can easily do it for Italy. Volta. Off the top of your head can you name a Croat painter. No neither can I but I can easily do it for Holland, Vermeer. I could go on but you get the picture.
If I was white from anyone of these exceptional countries I certainly would not be happy for any Sven, Slobadan or Ivor were to make any such claims.
you are right; though at least russians have Dmitri Mendeleev, that analogy also apply and even more accurately to my people from spain…they created almost nothing
croats are few,spaniards are a lot,they should have done more,i dont claim the glory of the west as mine,i reject spain and adopt japan as my culture
so i support your views
Dear narutoo do not forget the great Cervantes, the writer of the greatest novel of all time Don Quixote. Your people have done more than the Nordics. They discovered the New world through Queen Isabella and kicked out the imperialist muslims from Spain, created Spanish as a language for a great number of countries and created the world’s best novel. You people also had the great Salvidor Dali my favourite painter.
But you are humble and true, compared to italy, britain ( ie england and scotland), france, germany, holland and ancient greece and ancient rome this is a tiny fraction of the Western glory but it is certainly more than say Norway or Estonia or Croatia ever created. The nordics, blacks and arabs are totally untruthful in the way they claim other people’s achievements as their own. The slavic nations are also quite honest and do not claim things that they did not create. You never hear the honest people of the Ukraine for example boasting in the shameless way blacks,arabs, and nordics do.
awww thank you for trying to encourage me,however i already made my choice and decided to be japanese (by soul)
some men are unsatisfied of being men and try to transform themselves biologically in women (transexuals) or try to look and dress like women (travesties); i am in a similar situation but with my race,i consider myself a biological white,but a japanese in spirit
i never would make plastic surgery to look japanese,but sure i would try to dress like one; dont judge me,the law recognizes and protects what transexuals/ travesties want to be; likewise respect me
i am happy like this
however i already made my choice and decided to be japanese (by soul)
You are mental but in a good way.
WWWWWWW x)
www= japanese lol,we japanese use “warai” わらい(which means laugh)=lol
so because it starts from w, we can only use “w”,if you want to express more laugh by using “w”, you can just add “w” for example..うけるwwwwww as many as you want ^.^
I don’t believe you, ANI. There is no way a slum dweller has read Don Quixote. Of all the books in all the world, why would that book even be on your horizon? You’re not from a slum at all!
I live in one of the biggest slums in Delhi but I do have an underground lab with a nice reading area in a separate room of the underground complex. Let me give you an insight into what we do in the lab. Come with me into the strange world of underground labs under the slums of India.
I have dissected hundreds of flys in these labs over the years and of course to do so requires a certain degree of intelligence. I knew I was not particularly good at solving new problems but my assistant Igor was. He was less intelligent but certainly more CREATIVE.
He demonstrated this when he came over from India from Romania and felt that we could do things differently by making laser models of the flys and dissecting them first with a real knife (the models did not need a knife to unravel as they were time sequenced to unravel, but the knife doing the work looked good in our presentations) and then by developing a laser knife that actually would cut the fly into anatomical parts in real time. Later he developed the technology for use by vets and finally he developed it into a useful product for medical research involving human bodies . No more human cadavers are now needed in India thanks to Igor’s research.
This is all due to the fact that Igor was quite squeamish and wanted to solve this problem as he was a lab assistant. I would dismiss his squeamishness as western induced bunny hugging nonsense that had somehow even affected Romania, but he solved his problem by being creative and pioneering a new set of products.
Igor is certainly more creative than I am but I am actually more intelligent than he is. I organise the lab. I organise the speaking tours to the various places we tour and do the explanations for what our laser software reveals in a real time dissection.
Can you see the distinction between intelligence and creativity I am making here Brengunn? Our research has not just highlighted new insect anatomical tools and procedures but showed that intellect and creativity do not mean the same thing. There is a link but one has to look carefully to see the fine distinction. Sure Igor can do all the lab stuff but I can do them all better (more intelligence) but he wins hands down when he goes away to think and comes back with startling new insights into how to do things in new ways (more creativity).
“The ancient Egyptians also wrote about Blacks as a foreign people who were often used as slaves. The Egyptians commented that Blacks were not very smart, but they were great athletes, entertainers and musicians.”
What is your source for this Robert?
LOL, my own mother.
Excellent stuff!
Where else do we get this kind of forensic research!
I remember reading in books about the Bushmen of Southern Africa by Laurens van der Post, that Bushmen were widespread over Africa before being driven away and massacred by the Bantus (or in the North, Caucasians). In fact, he claimed, there were such people as Bushmen living in the Mediterranean area. Most interestingly is a possible connection between them and some of the earliest Egyptians. Copper skin, somewhat Asiatic features and the so called “tablier egyptien” are found in the Ancient Egyptian paintings and in the Khoisan. I wonder too if the Egyptians had such peppercorn hair too, and small stature.
It seems a bit far off, and I don’t know of any good sources, but it’s an interesting thought that “Khoisan” type people may have played a part in Egypt’s history.
By the way. the “tablier egyptien” means “Egyptian apron” and is a fancy name for elongated labia. I would be interested to learn of sources for the Egyptian connection here, to back up van der Post’s claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elongated_labia
Clearly you are a racist yes some things never change
The Race of Ancient Egyptians (as the builders of Egyptian civilization) was overwelmingly Caucasoid, but different subtypes existed, including Mediterranid, and evidence has revealed a small Nordic and Armenoid presence. Anthropologist Robert Gayre (1972: 85)
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Ancient_Egyptians
You are such a racist pink face and that will NEVER change.
Ok Black lady, you are banned, sweetheart.
HAND!
Robert, sweetheart, stop. When will this black/white supremacy end? certainly not with people like you. You are smarter than your ignorant comments and your ignorant mother, aren’t you? Then again the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree it seems. You are smart enough to start such a controversial blog. Kudos to you! i suggest proving your ability to do extensive research and posting accurate non hateful information. Try to entice your readers by being just and unbiased. I am very disappointed to have commented on this feed. However, i couldn’t resist.
Look let’s be realistic here, afro or euro-centrism aside. The ancient Egyptians would most likely resemble peoples such as the Egyptian fellahin, Northern Sudanese, Northern Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis. All these groups, although having black/brown skin are counted as caucasoids. Caucasoid doesn’t simply include the ideal of the European blond-blue eyed Nordic or the tan aquiline Mediterannean Latin but also peoples such as Berbers (who are perhaps some of the most diverse phenotypic peoples on earth since they can be fully European-looking such as Riffians and Kablyes or quasi-Negroid such as the Tuaregs, Sanhaja and Zenata making it impossible to generalise what they are), Persians, Levantine Arabs (i.e. Palestinians, Syrians), Peninsula Arabs (i.e. the black/brown skinned bedouin and Yeminites (excluding the Akhdam)), Horn Africans (excluding Nilotic, Somali bantu and Omotic groups), Egyptians, and South Asians (predominantly the northern groups, even though a lot of them have skin as dark as many Ethiopians or Fellahin Egyptians). These groups, although counted as Caucasoid due to phenotypic features such as thinner noses, skull shapes would be considered non-white due to their darker skin tones and outlandish features. Going back to the ancient Egyptians, they’re only “black” in the sense that Ethiopians, Somalis and Fellahin are, and that is in reference to the wide range of skin tones Europeans consider “black”. In terms of the 19th and 20th century racial-classifications they would be caucasoid (in same way as the ethnicities I have mentioned before) but to suggest they share a heritage or culture of some kind with Europeans (especially Northern ones) is complete and utter nonsense. Meanwhile to suggest they share a cultural or heritage of some kind with West Africans (affectionately named “Negroes”) also is just a nonsensical, despite the fact there was a reference to a kingdom in the central Sahel called Yam, but no proof other than sporadic texts reference this place.
I can sympathise with Eurocentrists trying to claim such cultures since Northern Europe as a whole doesn’t have much of an ancient history, even in the Roman empire the more developed half was the Hellenic-Eastern side not the western European half and plus Northern Europeans being the most powerful people in the Modern Age (17th C. AD onwards) would need to establish a foundation myth to justify their superiority (regardless of how recent it may have occured). In the case of afro-centrists, their angle is that of a victimised/traumatised people. Their outlandish claims are that of a therapeutic nature. Although there is some truth in what they say, i.e. A. Egyptians are African and “black” in the same sense that an Ethiopian/Somali/Fellahin is (even though they are classified by 19th/20th century racial science as caucasoid and by genetic testing as predominantly caucasoids) but negroid in the same sense as a West African is unlikely and near nonsense. Hence in conclusion, A. Egyptians are caucasoids (but not kin to Europeans but akin to Horn Africans, and modern day Northern Sudanese/Southern Egyptians) not akin to West African Negroids and definantly not New World Afro-Americans (who are predominantly west african with European admixture) however if we were to get a hypothetical ancient Egyptian based on paintings and written sources and have him stand in a Western European or American town/street he/she would be described as “black” or “mixed”.
As an Egyptian I find these arguments to be quite tragic,since we have two groups (Euro & Afro centrics) who have nothing to do with Ancient Egypt trying to claim kinship with them. The only descendants of Ancient Egypt (regardless of degree of admixture) are Copts, Nubians, (maybe) the Beja, and the Fellahin. Please, we have to stop defining ancient and medieval peoples by concepts that only appeared in the 17th century onwards (modern-concept of race and racism). Please Study these great peoples’ achievements as their own and not yours; Europe has the legacy of the modern states and the Greco-Roman empire and West Africans have the legacy of Mali, Songhai, Wagadou/Ghana and even Kanem Bornu (who were powerful states in the eyes of the Muslim world in their day). So quite fucking with everyone else’s shit. Hopefully I’ve sounded as rational as possible without sparking any foolish, incoherent racist outburst from euro and afro centrists.
——————————————-So yeah, cheers and feel free to ask questions.
No the ancient Egyptians did not look like the northern Sudanese, the fellahin, the Nubians, the Eritreans, the north Ethiopians or the Somalis. Most of those folks are about 50% Caucasian and 50% Black last time I checked. The paintings show the Nubians as being much darker and having much more Negroid features than the Egyptians. Modern Egyptians and modern fellahin are much Blacker than the ancient Egyptians. The ancients were only ~12% Black. The modern fellahin are up to 40% Black and modern north Egyptians are 20% Black. The Copts most closely resemble the ancient Egyptians.
no of course not…
Look at these Caucasians!
http://www.angelfire.com/ill/hebrewisrael/images/egypt-women.jpg
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/A81.jpg
http://www.blackconsciousness.com/images/Egyptian-Nubian-Larger.gif
those were picture of nubian neighbors, not of egyptians probably
Zen zen chigaiimas kemetu-jin desu! and what is called “Nubia” is part of Upper Egypt,which consist of the first state or nome of Kemet called Ta-Seti.for further reading put the term Ta-Seti in your search engine.
I’m afraid you’re mistaken, the paintings and the statues clearly show that resemblance to darker peoples.
Modern day Copts are not merely Egyptians but also have sizable amounts of Levantine, Greco-Roman and more recently Southern European (late 19th to early 20th century) heritage hence a more European appearance. At the same time Copts are generally urban people, hence more subject to mixing with foreigners.
The Fellahin are clearly the most direct, since these people are the peasant that have always been the backbone of Egypt and there are no records of large massacres that would suggest that the peasants were replaced wholly by foreigners and the fact that they live in the rural regions makes them more isolated (trust me in this aspect, my grandmother’s family lives only a few miles from Giza and it’s as rural as one can get). The case of Egypt is that, like almost of the Arabic speaking world, the locals generally adopted Arabic culture (the Arabs were never large enough in number to ever wipeout and completely replace their conquered subjects they preferred to Arabise and to intermarry the few they had with the locals) hence they are still indigenous peoples (i.e. Egyptians, Berbers of the Maghreb and Sahara, Levantines, Kurdo-Persians of Iraq) but all adopted a foreign culture.
Also so, when I mentioned Nubians, I’m refering to modern-day Nubians, Nubians today don’t really have much of the pitch black skin depicted in the Earlier dynasties. By the 25th dynasty, the Nubians actually saw themselves as Egyptian (due to proximity and intermarriage) and were considered as such since they re-established Egyptian culture usher in a short-lived Renaissance before the Assyrians came along. The distinction between the two became blurred by that time period.
I’m convinced that you seem to want to believe that they were some how related to Europeans, however this isn’t true. Too much evidence points else where from paintings, to descriptions from respected Greek historians (Herodotus, Aristotle) and the Torah (Egyptians are considered descendants of Ham like the Libyans, Canaanites, Nubians and Ethiopians). The common A. Egyptian would have been of dark skin and the like, the elites however do not necessarily represent the commoners this is very apparent in the later dynasties. To suggest a Caucasoid/Caucasian elite or remnants is possible considering the Hyskos, the Assyrians, Persans and later on the Ptolemies (who were Macedonian Greeks) and the Romans.
There was a time when there was no Sahara
Maybe some don’t want the truth from a “black” person easily labeled Afrocentrics,so how about couple of white guys.
http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf
look past what you think you know
Really? Ancient Egyptians were Caucasoid?
Tiye, Mentuhotep, Sennedjem, Akhenaten, Panehesy (any and all of them),
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/vm4ebf21a7.jpg
Here is what is so funny about the whole DNA and phenotype game.
You take modern black people right? Variations all around. You see the ones in the middle, the brown ones, you don’t even blink an eye. THey are black, not caucasoid.
You take the SAME PERSON put an egyptian wig on him, photograph them. BLING! Caucasoid!
Then with DNA, all this DNA haplotype jargon? WHERE does that relate to the phenotype? You assume haplotype B or C means “non negroid in
appearance”. Another non scientific interpretation of science.
It’s almost as funny as “what is a Caucasoid” game. Hey lets expand it, include all the measurements, Dna, anything that describes Egypt, Ethiopia… heck throw in all of East Africa… just throw it all in there. Now sort out the DNA, the whole thing. Now fit THAT into the Caucsoid model. Just say it is.
But my all time favorite: These so called Caucasoids allegedly got off depicting themselves all over the place with knappy hair, dark brown skin and just resembling their slightly darker skinned neighbors up the Nile.
Look, I was only using the European model of race regardless of how ridiculous it is. I’m an Egyptian and quite frankly I don’t stand out much from horn Africans, desert Berbers and even Cushites. The Caucasoid card, is only used for phenotypic classifications irrespective of Genetic marker studies. It doesn’t necessarily refer to Skin tone, or else Northern Indians, Middle Easterner North and Horn Africans for the most part would have been excluded from their definitions and geenetic studies would show unique markers with plenty of various admixtures.
I emphasise that I was using a European definition (since race is a MODERN, EUROPEAN concept) it will be plagued with Eurocentrism and the reactionary Afrocentrism. I’m not denying their black/dark skin, it’s as obvious as the sun in daytime but to suggest kinship with peoples from West/Central Africa is nonsense.
At the same time the only peoples the Ancient Egyptians seem to have anything in common with are the Nubians (despite earlier depictions of having charcoal-coloured skin, by the 25th dynasty they were virtually indistinguishable from their northern neighbours) and the Puntites (who most likely lived in the Horn of Africa). I apologise if I have not fully defined the parameters of the definitions or terminology used.
I am not denying their black/brown skin but they have nothing to do with Europeans (since Europe didn’t exist in the Ancient Egyptian context) or with West/Central Africa (and their offshoots, the “Blacks” of the Americas). They are North-East African, both in features and genetics. Which I must add is unique. I will tell you from personal experience that most African Americans do stand out in the Horn and in North East Africa since their facial features not skin tone are considered foreign.
A side note, people in the “old world” are not bland homogeneous groups of “whites” or “blacks” please stop using such immature, foolish classifications. Since people in the “old world” do not see themselves solely as such, skin-tone is not a basis for kinship we have culture, language, religion, lineages for that.
So one more time, Ancient Egyptians: NORTH-EAST AFRICANS (black/brown skin with unique facial features)
NOT EUROPEANS, MEDITERRANEAN WHITES, NEGROES/WEST AFRICANS, BANTUS or ARABS/SEMITIC/CANAANITES
that should clear and sufficient for everyone, those are my two cents as a actual descendant of the Egyptians (my mother’s a Copt from Giza and my Father’s from Aswan).
Amen to that .
i read a book called nature knows no colorline and the man who wrote it described ancient Egyptians were in fact having negroid features but due to the massive intermarriages happening over the years the civilization began producing a lighter skinned peoples alongside the darker skinned peoples in the book it shows a picture of a mixed marriage between a ‘white’ prince and the princess of the Cheops *her father made the great pyramids* and she clearly was African. there even suggested evidence that the ancient egyptians were actually ancient Ethiopians who migrated towards that Nile and settled there since it was during the age of migration and agricultural evolution. besides if some think about it natural whites would have had a hard time living in egypt due tot he fact 1:it gets crazy hot there and 2: think scientifically they dont have as much melanin in their skin as people of a dark colour there for massive sunburns would be rampant plus scientists who do dna testing on mummies would have found most likely early forms of skin cancer in them. so imo ancient egyptians were a race of people mixed between brown and black and of peoples CLOSE to white
Your two cents do contribute to my statements, but remember the elites do not necessarily reflect the common people. The elites do marry foreigners (there are plenty of cases of Egyptian Pharohs having mothers and wives from the Levant, Libya and Nubia).
However the common people would be darker than the elites (who could afford the mummification of their corpses),. We must be careful in using mummies as a standard for society as a whole, since they only reflect the upper echelons of their culture.
Also your opinion is a fair one, since North-East Africans do have a wide range of skin tones due to natural/indigenous factors and foreign influences, you can go to Egypt, or Sudan or Northern Ethiopia you’ll see a large range of skin tones but most would be a reddish/brown colour which western society would consider a “black”/”brown” colour (in terms of skin tone not ethno-racial definitions i.e. Negro).
Please don’t consider this an attack but an affirmation of your opinion Rini.
If M.Gimbutas was a” Jewish Marxist bitch” while she was Lituanian(aryan) nazi sympathiser,who ran to nazi Berlin in 1944, so my trust of Robert`s arguments of the Aryan Egyptian origin is infinite.
So what are you trying to say, mate?
Numbers 12
1Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2“Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?” they asked. “Hasn’t he also spoken through us?” And the Lord heard this… 10When the cloud lifted from above the tent, Miriam’s skin was leprousy —it became as white as snow. Aaron turned toward her and saw that she had a defiling skin disease, 11and he said to Moses, “Please, my lord, I ask you not to hold against us the sin we have so foolishly committed. 12Do not let her be like a stillborn infant coming from its mother’s womb with its flesh half eaten away.” 13So Moses cried out to the Lord, “Please, God, heal her!” 14The Lord replied to Moses, “If her father had spit in her face, would she not have been in disgrace for seven days? Confine her outside the camp for seven days; after that she can be brought back.” 15So Miriam was confined outside the camp for seven days, and the people did not move on till she was brought back
Genesis 10:6 The sons of Ham: Cush, Egypt, Put and Canaan.
2 Kings 5:27
Naaman’s leprosy will cling to you and to your descendants forever.” Then Gehazi went from Elisha’s presence and his skin was leprous–it had become as white as snow.
Leviticus 13:9-11
9“When the infection of leprosy is on a man, then he shall be brought to the priest.10“The priest shall then look, and if there is a white swelling in the skin, and it has turned the hair white, and there is quick raw flesh in the swelling,11it is a chronic leprosy on the skin of his body, and the priest shall pronounce him unclean; he shall not isolate him, for he is unclean.
Not only are you a liar. Not only did African people come up with every scientific discipline and Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Homer, Strabo, and every other Greek Philospher establish the Egyptians as “black and wooly haired” but very soon your world will literally come to ashes. Grow up you little weak, albino racist, you precious New World Order will collapse.
Songs of Solomon 1:5-6
I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
Solomon:
Hebrew meaning- Sol-o-mon, or man of the Sun. Sun = Sol, as in Solar
Samson:
Hebrew meaning- Sam-son or Sa meaning “Son” and “Son” or Sun. Sam means Son of the Sun.
Psalms 105:23: “Israel also came into Egypt…the land of Ham.”
You are a Liar! Egpytians descended from Ham….a black man. Read the bible!
i would never expect anyone that uses “black afrocentric” to tell the truth, just like most whites, unable to see life from a side they dont know and then marjonalize how others feel with a “we did great things” attitude….whites could never believe in a arab jesus, lies had to be told (mentions his nappy hair in the bible but whites pick and choose whats good and bad and then carry out there secular agenda)
YOU SAY “THERE DEFFINITLY NOT BLACK” look what them arabs are to america now…ANYONE WHO IS NOT WHITE IS BLACK….oppresion breeds the connectedness within others that whites will never have and find it so hard to understand…THE FACT THAT YOUR PEOPLE PAINTED JESUS WHITE MAKES ARABS MY BROTHERS FOREVER! let your hate controll peoples minds for 100s of years …IT ENDS SOON!
it seems you typed this up to “attempt” to dispute blacks, not to convey the truth….your not looking for the truth…or you would post what YOU found rather then commenting on someone who did the work…your deff smarter then DR BEN YOSEF…having knowledge is pointless if your only shooting others down with it…BUILD A PYRIMID FUCK HEAD!
That race dosent exist because they weren’t caucaoid at all. Even the bible has said so.your speak of Egyptian faces not representing any black people. Really? Lol have you looked at Akenaten, Queen Tiy, Imhotep, king Tut ? You gotta be kidding . Y had the full lips. Nose and hair. Even many copts today have full lips and and “kinky” hair . Egytians are even more of a fine mix today. And the only caucasian stock they had is when the greeks took over. The amount of black blood is greater than you assert. Egyptians are hammites just like every other so called “negoid” is . By the way you can take your dumb and ignorent racist sterotypes and gagg on them . Black people are still inventing and progressing inspite of evil of racism and slavery. Your just another racist idiot trying to push their agenda
Hey Black man! Your baby Momma just called. You have some crack customers on the corner waiting for you. Please go attend to them Crip dick dog!
Blacks are really good at jumping and running. Did I mention running? They can haul ass, especially when the po po are in fast pursuit!
Where is the European history before they were civilized by the Romans?
What were the Europeans doing while the pyramids were being built?
Egypt was a power for 5000 years before there was a Greece.
I can understand your attempt to claim Egypt as some kind of Caucasoid Hamitic nonsense, but the real question is why didn’t this Caucasian super race build pyramids and were the last people to be civilized.
You people have tried the same thing in India with that Aryan nonsense.
There is no evidence of the so called Aryans anywhere on earth, out side of some vague Sanskrit similarity’s, there is no genetic evidence in India of some Aryan their culture is their own. Where is the Caucasian ancient history?
John Fountain
One must understand that in the 19th centruty, when the West had fully established themselves as the most dominant power in the world, they had to go through a revisionist approach in looking at history. It doesn’t make sense so claim that White-Western Europeans are inherently superior when they have become dominant in recent history. This results in the white-washing of the histories of Northern Africa, Western Asia and Southern Asia (centres of civilisation that have heavily influenced Western civilisation). To be honest the only ancient civilisations in Europe are the Greeks, the Romans and to some extent the Iberians (due to Carthaginian and Greek influences). In the case of Northern Europe, although the Celts were rich in culture they were not considered civilised by the peoples of the time (i,e. Romans) and the Germanics were basically axe-wielding barbarians with little to no notion of settled civilisation.
So when European scholars (modern western Europeans are direct descendents of those barbarians, i.e. The English descend from the Anglo-Saxons, the French from the Franks, the Spaniards from the Visigoths, Italians from a mixture of Romans, Goths and Lombards, Germans from the wide range of Germanic tribes like the Saxons, Teutons, etc) from the 19th century saw this, it clearly contradicts the prevailing ideas of white-power racism that had more or less become the ideology that dominated Western culture. It’s no surprise that with this sub-conscious inferiority complex that Western Europeans (a.k.a Whites) want to take credit for deeds their ancestors had nothing to do with for example the Aryanism (a ridiculous notion), Aryans are not blonde blue-eyed Germanics their direct descendents are the Persians, Afghans, Pakistanis and Northern Indians who are not considered “White” in the eyes of Western Europeans.
If Western Europeans wish to look back to some kind of ancient history they should focus on the Greco-Romans (even though they do give credit to the Aethiops, Aegyptians and Asiatics for bringing them civilisation), since it’s them who are the catalysts behind Western civilisation for without them Europe would be a continent of Barbarians and savages.
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Ptolemiac genetic traits appear in which immigration group or person to North American and when did that occur?
Does really matter what ethnicity the Ancient Egyptians were? Ancient Egypt was a multiracial society like many societies today. DNA testing on Egyptian mummies have shown not every pharaoh was of the same genetic background as other pharaohs. Ramses the third and his father and sons had paternal sub-Saharan genetics.But, does prove that their skin color was black? No, it doesn’t. There is a different between genetic background and phenotype background. The point is that Ancient Egypt was a multiracial society and had a mixture of genetic backgrounds.
As an English Honours Major, this is the most biased/frustrating blog post that I’ve read in a long time. What makes me most frustrated is not only that you base an item that you write about in your blog post about how you heard it from your mother when you were a child, but also that you feel the need to label people by “Black man” and “Black woman” when you are addressing them in the comments, and then proceed to tell them that they are banned. How childish.
Lastly, I do not understand how you can make a comment like “Some things never change!” in regards to Black people excelling at stereotypical activities. You cannot generalize and discriminate Black people as not being very smart. There’s different types of people in every ethnic group and you absolutely cannot make a statement that Black people are not smart and that this has been the case in the past, and will continue to be the case in the future because “some things never change.” You are horrendous for making a statement with such implications.
You should really take time to reflect on your biases and discrimination towards people who are the exact same as you, and have suffered even more only because of the eumelanin in their skin.
You are walking evidence of why there is still oppression towards minorities in the world. And no, I am not a “Black man” or a “Black woman.” I am even paler than you are in your picture. If you feel that it would make your little self feel better, then ban me.
Yes I am banning you.
In 1902, E. A. Wallis Budge, the renowned Egyptologist, described the pre-dynastic Egyptians thus:
“The predynastic Egyptians, that is to say, that stratum of them which was indigenous to North Africa, belonged to a white or light-skinned race with fair hair, who in many particulars resembled the Libyans, who in later historical times lived very near the western bank of the Nile.” [E. A. W. Budge, Egypt in the Neolithic and Archaic Periods(London: Kegan Paul, Trench & Trübner, 1902), p. 49.]
Later, in the same book, Budge referred to a pre-dynastic statuette that: “has eyes inlaid with lapis-lazuli, by which we are probably intended to understand that the woman here represented had blue eyes.” [Ibid., p. 51.]
In 1925, the Oxford don L. H. Dudley Buxton, wrote the following concerning ancient Egyptian crania:
“Among the ancient crania from the Thebaid in the collection in the Department of Human Anatomy in Oxford, there are specimens which must unhesitatingly be considered to be those of Nordic type. If this is so, it would seem that they probably entered Egypt with the other alien elements which began to filter in from Asia in early dynastic times. How far the Nordics ever formed any appreciable element in the population is doubtful, but these specimens prove their existence.” [L. H. D. Buxton,The Peoples of Asia (London: Kegan Paul, Trench & Trübner, 1925), p. 50.]
Harry R. Hall, the Keeper of Egyptian Antiquities at the British Museum in the 1920s, had this to say about the invaders who formed the early dynastic Egyptian type:
“The oldest representations of ruling Egyptians, who may be presumed to belong to this race, shew remarkably a definitely central or even north European type, and it is very probable that this invading people belonged to an early folk-wandering from the ‘Nordic’ regions that made its way south through Syria, after possibly a period of settlement there.” [H. R. Hall, A General Introductory Guide to the Egyptian Collections in the British Museum (London: Harrison & Sons, 1930), p. 24.]
Later in the same work, he refers to the “northern invaders,” who formed an “aristocracy of northern (and possibly Nordic) origin,” over the native Egyptians. [Ibid., p. 25.]
The American physical anthropologist J. Lawrence Angel, studied a series of Egyptian crania dating from the predynastic period, down to the time of the Ptolemies. He concluded that during the invasion of Egypt by the Hyksos (15th Dynasty), Lower Egypt was settled by large numbers of individuals who were “Nordic-Iranian” in type. [J. L. Angel, "Biological Relations of Egyptian and Eastern Mediterranean Populations during Pre-dynastic and Dynastic Times."Journal of Human Evolution I (1972) pp. 307-313.]
The Scottish physical anthropologist Robert Gayre has written, that in his considered opinion:
“Ancient Egypt, for instance, was essentially a penetration of Caucasoid racial elements into Africa . . . This civilisation grew out of the settlement of Mediterraneans, Armenoids, even Nordics, and Atlantics in North Africa . . .” [R. Gayre of Gayre, Miscellaneous Racial Studies, 1943-1972 (Edinburgh: Armorial, 1972), p. 85.]
When English archaeologist Howard Carter excavated the tomb of Tutankhamen in 1922, he discovered in the Treasury a small wooden sarcophagus. Within it lay a memento of Tutankhamen’s beloved grandmother, Queen Tiye: “a curl of her auburn hair.” [C. Desroches-Noblecourt, Tutankhamen: Life and Death of a Pharaoh (Harmondsworth: Penguin Books, 1972), p. 65.]
Queen Tiye (18th Dynasty), was the daughter of Thuya, a Priestess of the God Amun. Thuya’s mummy, which was found in 1905, has long, red-blonde hair. Examinations of Tiye’s mummy proved that she bore a striking resemblance to her mother. [B. Adams, Egyptian Mummies(Aylesbury: Shire Publications, 1988), p. 39.]
The French Egyptologist Christiane Desroches-Noblecourt, has this to say about the famous Egyptian beauty, Queen Nefertiti: “. . . her beauty was of the noble Theban type seen in the necropolis paintings . . .” She goes on to state that “. . . the coloured bust now in Berlin shows the rosy tint of her complexion, which suggests that she was careful to avoid sunlight or, alternatively, that she was of northern stock.” [Desroches-Noblecourt, op. cit., p. 90.]
A painting of the mother of Pharaoh Amenhotep IV (18th Dynasty), reveals that she had blonde hair, blue eyes and a rosy complexion. [W. Sieglin, Die blonden Haare der indogermanischen Völker des Altertums (Munich: J. F. Lehmanns Verlag, 1935), p. 132.]
Princess Ranofri, a daughter of Pharaoh Tuthmosis III (18th Dynasty), is depicted as a blonde in a wall painting that was recorded in the 19th century, by the Italian Egyptologist Ippolito Rosellini. [Ibid., p. 132.]
In 1929 archaeologists discovered the mummy of fifty year-old Queen Meryet-Amun (another daughter of Tuthmosis III); the mummy has wavy, light-brown hair. [R. B. Partridge, Faces of Pharaohs (London: Rubicon Press, 1994), p. 91.]
American Egyptologist Donald P. Ryan excavated tomb KV 60, in the Valley of the Kings, during the course of 1989. Inside, he found the mummy of a royal female, which he believes to be the long-lost remains of the great Queen Hatshepsut (18th Dynasty). Ryan describes the mummy as follows:
“The mummy was mostly unwrapped and on its back. Strands of reddish-blond hair lay on the floor beneath the bald head.” [Ibid., p. 87.]
Manetho, a Graeco-Egyptian priest who flourished in the 3rd century BC, wrote in his Egyptian History, that the last ruler of the 6th Dynasty was a woman by the name of Queen Nitocris. He has this to say about her:
“There was a queen Nitocris, braver than all the men of her time, the most beautiful of all the women, blonde-haired with rosy cheeks. By her, it is said, the third pyramid was reared, with the aspect of a mountain.” [W. G. Waddell, Manetho (London: William Heinemann, 1980), p. 57.]
According to the Graeco-Roman authors Pliny the Elder, Strabo and Diodorus Siculus, the Third Pyramid was built by a woman named Rhodopis. When translated from the original Greek, her name means “rosy-cheeked”. [G. A. Wainwright, The Sky-Religion in Egypt (Cambridge: University Press, 1938), p. 42.]
We may also note that a tomb painting recorded by the German Egyptologist C. R. Lepsius in the 1840s, depicts a blonde woman by the name of Hetepheres (circa 5th Dynasty). The German scholar Alexander Scharff, observed that she was described as being a Priestess of the Goddess Neith, a deity who was sacred to the blond-haired Libyans of the Delta region. He goes on to state that her name is precisely the same as that of Queen Hetepheres II, who is also shown as fair-haired, in a painting on the wall of Queen Meresankh III’s tomb. He deduced from all of this, that the two women may well have been related, and he suggested that Egypt during the Age of the Pyramids, was dominated by an elite of blonde women. [A. Scharff, "Ein Beitrag zur Chronologie der 4. ägyptischen Dynastie." Orientalistische Literaturzeitung XXXI(1928) pp. 73-81.]
Hey Robert, what do you think of all this? Is it biased towards Nordicism? I personally think it may be biased, but the evidence is still credible. That, along with King Tut’s haplogroup being Western European, his hyperdolichocephalic head, and the study on Wikipedia saying Rameses II had red hair.(Maybe it was Rameses I, can’t remember, sorry.) All the above quotes were copied and pasted from March of the Titans(website, sorry, forgot the link).
Yeah, it is completely insane Nordicist crap. The ancient Egyptians were not Nordics! Look at those drawings of Libyans, Nubians and Egyptians in their artwork. The Libyans look most like White people. The Egyptians don’t look like White people at all. Look at the drawings, they have Asian looking eyes, sparse dark hair (like Asians) and yellowish skin (not like an Asian but more honey colored). They were members of a race that no longer exists. The best theory is that they came out of the Levant about 7-10,000 YBP and moved down into Egypt. They are probably like no modern race today, except they may somewhat resemble some of the honey-colored brown Arabs in the region. You can see some photos of Egyptian women, and there are a few who look like Dynastic Egyptians. Those women don’t exactly look like White people.
You really need to get off this Nordicist kick. The Nordicists are some of the most insane, idiotic and evil White nationalists of them all.