Two Bigfoot steaks turned in to Dr. Melba Ketchum’s lab from the Sierra Kills! I reported this at the very start, but then Derek Randles and others attacked me for “inaccurate reporting” and said I was wrong, so I backed away. But I just talked with a source again today, and it turns out that I was right when I first wrote that Sierra Kills article (so many things about that original story are turning out to be true in the end).
I can now say for certain that the Ketchum lab received two Bigfoot steaks. They may have received the auburn, brown and grey one (adult) first, and may have gotten the dark brown one (possibly from the juvenile) later on. At any rate, we know that the lab reported at one point that they were in possession of two steaks from the Kills. On one steak the hair looked like the hair on the adult, and on the other, it looked like the hair on the juvenile.
We don’t know that the two steaks were from two different bodies, but that seems to be a logical supposition. It’s possible once again that the adult had hair of varying colors – auburn, dark brown and grey in parts and pure dark brown in other parts – but that seems unlikely. Instead it seems that two steaks were sent to the lab – one from the adult and one from the juvenile.
The one from the adult was probably sent first, because one source received a report from the lab where they only had the steak with the adult colored hair. The other one, possibly from the juvenile, was probably sent later, because at one point another source stated that the lab was in possession of both steaks.
The logical assumption here is that the steaks were from the two bodies. If that is so, it follows that DNA testing was done on both steaks. We assume that both steaks tested presumptive for Bigfoot.
Thom Cantrall, Arla Williams, the Forest People and all sorts of nuttiness. Cantrall, of Washington state, and Williams, of Oklahoma, are forming some sort of a New Age Bigfoot religion of sorts.
Both of them are in contact with Bigfoot teachers. Each teacher is a Bigfoot who is actually 1000 years old. Both of these teachers are communicating telepathically, by mindspeak, to Arla and Thom. They believe that Bigfoots are “Star People” sent here by aliens long ago to teach us something very important about our planet (possibly some sort of environmental message).
Arla believes that Bigfoots speak all known human languages, including English, that they shapeshift, disappear and do all sorts of funny things. I assume that Thom believes all of this tomfoolery also.
Both of these folks are centered around a Facebook group called The Forest People, and they seem to be trying to create some new religion around the Bigfoots. The Forest People are opposed to evolution and probably most other science. They think Bigfoots are people just like us, and apparently they think they were put here by UFO’s (thereby negating evolutionary theory).
Most members are Whites or Indian-Whites from rural redneck areas who are presumably deep into Christian fundamentalism of some sort. This is probably the genesis of the anti-evolutionary message. Cantrall’s views on religion are unknown, but he probably lives in a fundamentalist milieu. Cantrall’s politics are of the extreme rightwing populist Libertarian – militia – Constitutionalist type, which I assume means he’s just a regular Bigfooter, as most Bigfooters are rightwing fanatics.
Clarification of Bigfoot MtDNA. As I mentioned earlier, Bigfoot MtDNA is apparently 100% human. I have only heard of 4 samples so far, but in all four, the MtDNA was 100% human. Skeptics are asking me how this could possibly be so. Why isn’t the MtDNA part human and part something else? If this DNA is human, that would mean that the original population would have had to be isolated from both proto-Bigfoots and humans, right?
A good theory can clear up most of the confusion. What appears to have happened is that the Bigfoots are a result of Homo Heidelbergensis (the updated version as Homo Rhodesiensis) X Homo sapiens sapiens. See Michael Claerr’s Homo Heidelbergensis theory. The crossing of these two species or lines presumably resulted in a speciation event whereby a new species was created, the Bigfoots.
These speciation events took place at different times and places. One took place in southern Africa in the Kalahari Desert ~50,000 YBP. Another speciation event took place in Southwestern Europe 15-20,000 YBP. In both cases, Heidelbergensis males mated with human females, eventually giving rise to a new species.
All modern humans go back to a single mitochondrial Eve in southwest Africa 180,000 YBP. This was probably a speciation event that created Homo sapiens sapiens out of archaic Sapiens and whatever else might have been involved. Why do humans go back to a single Eve, yet the Bigfoots go back to two or possibly more Eves? The answer is that there probably has not been enough time yet for the MtDNA in the Bigfoots to settle down enough so that all Bigfoots can be traced back to a single Eve. The speciation event was too young, too soon.
What then happened to existing Heidelbergensis populations? The best guess is that all pure Heidelbergensis populations probably went extinct, possibly driven extinct by modern humans. Mating with humans may have given Heidelbergensis a massive cognitive boost. That boost may have generated enough fitness for the new hybrid species that it was intelligent enough to somehow survive the depredations of modern humans.
What happened in November when Wally Hersom gave the go-ahead to Ketchum to “sequence the genome?” What probably happened at this time was that Ketchum sequenced the MtDNA genome only. The NuDNA genome was probably not done. For the recent Denisova sequenced genome that was in the news, only the MtDNA genome was sequenced.
We probably do not have full nuclear genomes of any species besides man. Sequencing the nuclear genome of man was a massive undertaking known as the Human Genome Project, which just completed at great expense. These are such massive and difficult undertakings that it is dubious that we have any other nuclear genomes done besides our own.
Given the difficulties sequencing the human NuDNA genome, I think it is dubious that Ketchum ran the whole Bigfoot nuclear genome. Instead, I think she ran the common and well known nuclear genes and extrapolated from that.
What’s the basis for the “alien DNA” supposedly found in the Ketchum study? This rumor comes from Wally Hersom first of all, later backed up by David Paulides. Both are deep into paranormal Bigfoot stuff. A source told us that the reasoning for this theory lies in the finding that the Bigfoot NuDNA only goes back 30,000 YBP, and then it stops. Apparently it should go back further than that. The theory then is that the only way this could have happened is if aliens landed and created or deposited the Bigfoots here say 30,000 YBP.
I don’t understand the meaning of the italicized bit above; that means nothing to me. Nevertheless, I am not a fan of Intervention Theory, alien DNA in the Bigfoots or Bigfoot Star People.
As you can see, some of the folks around the study are fans of this theory. However, I have no idea if Ketchum herself believes in it. I sure hope not. At any rate, I’m told there will be nothing about alien DNA in the forthcoming paper, thank God.
Ketchum’s comment, “There is no Erickson movie.” This comment, which appeared on her new webpage, is simply wrong, or else it is a typical Ketchum half-truth. She is right in a sense. There will be no Adrian Erickson “movie” as in the movie you go see at the theater. I am quite sure of that. Nevertheless, the documentary exists and has been finished for some time. How do I know it’s real? My friends have seen it, that’s how.
And we know that Hollywood is working on it right now, fixing it up. Since it won’t be shown at theaters, where will it be shown? Perhaps as a DVD for sale. That was the original plan. Or possibly as a TV movie, TV documentary or part of a TV show, say with Animal Planet or National Geographic. Ketchum’s statement implying that there is no Erickson cinematic or videographic endeavor is simply false. Why she wishes to mislead people like this, I have no idea.
Mike Greene writing the Sierra Kills book. Greene has a BA in English literature and an MA in Psychology, so he’s obviously a very bright man. The BA presumably means that he can write well. At any rate, he’s the guy who has been commissioned to write up the Sierra Kills book. I assume he will do a great job of it.
Bigfoots speak Old Chinese? According to one my sources, one of his contacts who has seen Bigfoots several times was listening to the Sierra Sounds tape at home when his Chinese wife came into the room.
She said, “Play that back again!” He did.
She then said, “That’s the language of my grandfather.”
Her grandfather spoke Cantonese. This man has since done quite a bit of research into the Sierra Sounds, and he thinks the Bigfoots’ language is related to Old Chinese. There are also supposedly some folks at universities working on the Sierra Sounds, and some of these people may also pursuing the Old Chinese hypothesis for Bigfoot language.
As someone with a Masters in Linguistics, I find the notion that the Bigfoots speak Old Chinese to be dubious at best. But you never know.
Scott Nelson’s analysis of the Sierra Sounds. Nelson is a bright man, a former cryptolinguist for the US Navy. However, I was not impressed with his presentation analyzing the Sierra Sounds. He played some of the recordings back at different speeds and claimed be hearing English words or “cognates” of English words in there.
I do not think that conclusion is justified. If you listen to any language on Earth, you will hear sound structures that sound like English words (or words in any other language on Earth for that matter). Unless the word was specifically borrowed from English, such resemblances tend to be merely coincidental. Bigfoots do speak a language of some sorts. Whether or not they speak any English at all in their language is very much up in the air.
Matt Moneymaker’s statement about Bigfoots and cows on Finding Bigfoot. On the FB show, Matt said that Bigfoots never eat cows because cows are people food. Instead, they prefer Bigfoot food, like venison for instance. This statement is silly and is also dubious.
Bigfoots are well known to predate on human livestock. This has been an ongoing problem for a long time. They kill pigs, goats, sheep, rabbits, chickens and turkeys, along with dogs and cats. And there are reports of them killing cattle, often calves. A cow is awfully large and weighs quite a bit, so it’s probably hard to lug around.
I doubt if Bigfoots care whether something is people food or not. When they want to eat, they eat. They’re not too picky.
Updated rundown of samples in the Ketchum study. This will be updated every time it changes.
Bigfoot samples submitted: Over 200
Presumptive for Bigfoot: Almost 100
# of Bigfoot individuals represented: 20-28?
Details of successful Bigfoot samples:
5 hair samples from Golden Ears Provincial Park in British Colombia, representing 5 separate creatures, gathered by Erickson Project.
1 toenail from Larry Jenkins in the Grand Canyon area of Arizona.
1 blood sample from JC Johnson in the 4 Corners area of New Mexico (skunk in a drainpipe sample).
1 blood sample from Crittenden, Kentucky, gathered by Erickson Project. Sample was obtained by gluing glass shards on a feeding plate.
1 hair sample from David Paulides’ NABS known as the Ulibarri sample from Hoopa Valley, California.
1 hair sample from Larry Surface in southern Ohio. Surface shot the controversial nighttime Bigfoot video that was pulled from the web recently.
1 hair sample from Joe Black in the Great Smoky Mountains, Eastern Tennessee.
1 slice of Bigfoot flesh from Mount Haskell, California from the adult male Bigfoot shot dead by Justin Smeja.
1 large sample of saliva from the Olympic Project obtained via a Bigfoot licking a camera.
1 hair sample from SE Oklahoma collected by TEXLA Cryptozoological Research, whoever they are.
1 blood, tissue and hair sample from a nailboard trap at Snelgrove Lake, Ontario, Canada (presumably successful).
That is only 15 of nearly 100 successful Bigfoot samples. I have no idea about the rest.
Best Bigfoot samples: Smeja’s Bigfoot steak and JC Johnson’s skunk in a drainpipe Bigfoot sample.
Truly amazing stuff.
Thx Shawn!
Robert, do you like your Bigfoot steak medium or well done? I personally only dine on Bigfoot if they are free range.
Medium rare for me.
Hummmm. You are outlasting your critics. Thanks for the update!
This is a lovely feast, thanks Robert! I’m snickering just a little bit about all the excellent news.
You’re so welcome Grammy!
Good to see you write about the bigfoot teacher thing that shit made me laugh when I first heard it on blogtalk show midnightwalker. Thom Cantrall, Arla Williams are CoHost sometimes with Alex.They have mentioned you before lol Alex I think called you napoleon dynamite.I seen on here a while back that Ketchum is friends with Arla made me think NO!! Its funny in the end your first reports are going to be 100% right.
Napoleon Dynamite? Huh?
He said you look like nepleon dynamite in your picture.Its a stupid movie for kids. Alex believes the bigfoot teacher stuff to.Anyway when he said that he was butt hurt because you were writeing about Arla.He has some good people on the show sometimes.
Take that as a complement cause you got skills. And chicks only like guys with skills. Writing skills… Bigfoot finding skills…
Actually it’s a funny movie, not just for kids. There’s an animated spin-off out as well.
Thank you my friend!
Thank you for another great post. I’m always overjoyed to log on and find out that you’ve given us another scoop.
These kooks and cranks, to be kind, are one of the main reasons that the more mainstream news outlets don’t give more respect to the bigfoot research field, I believe. The things they say are so silly and ridiculous that it’s hard to fathom how they don’t just start giggling themselves when they talk about it. It’s embarrasing for me to just listen to them. To actually say and believe this stuff is a sign of “not playing with a full deck.”
You’re welcome!
I happened to think of another angle. What if Thom and Arla know that what they are saying is BS and are just trying to “start a religion” like L.Ron Hubbard did. He said that the best way to get rich is to start a religion, and he did that and made up a kooky backstory to go with it. (It also involved aliens.)
But anyways, this may be an attempt to start a business. You find a niche (kooky bigfooters who believe in the mystical and alien sort of bigfootery) and you market to them.
This is just a theory, of course. In one scenario, Thom and Arla are just plain crazy, and in the other scenario, they are con artists. Not good either way.
“Cantrall, of Washington state, and Williams, of Oklahoma, are forming some sort of a New Age Bigfoot religion of sorts.”
After reading this portion of your report, voice in my head says;
when the going gets weird , the weird turn pro…
I enjoy your musings on BFs as a h. Heidelbergensis hybrid. We already know this can happen, since archaic humans (probably males) mated with modern humans in two distinct episodes, in the Middle East and Southeast Asia to pepper our DNA with relic sequences. In those cases, the pregnant females stayed with the human tribe. But I guess for BFs, the pregnant females were incorporated into the h. heidelbergensis tribes.
“But I guess for BFs, the pregnant females were incorporated into the h. heidelbergensis tribes.”
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought this through as this is the part of the hybrid theory that doesn’t make much sense to me.
Please elaborate. I can imagine human females kidnapped by BFs, with their children viable enough to fit into BF society. Whether the human females themselves survived long eating raw meat and lichen is up to debate. Native American folklore has some stories like this.
Caz
The human female would not only need to be impregnated (that’s easy), but they would need to be held and cared for during their pregnancy.
I’m having a hard time understanding how the human survives long enough to give birth.
If it’s Heidelbergensis then the scientists have been wrong about that species. They are always depicted as “us” essentially, just one shade away as an immediate predecessor. I’ve seen them depicted over and over again as people, like the Neanderthals but taller, with peach skin, hairless like sapiens, and even with blue eyes. And although it is not known exactly how they lived, they are often portrayed as using bows, arrows and wearing jewelry and hides. I’m no scientist, but I have always been uncomfortable with recreations of Heidelbergensis looking like dirty hippies because their skulls look so different. Sapiens, Neanderthals, Erectus all look relatively the same, but Heidelbergensis? Huge eye sockets, extended brow ridges to cover them, small/flat or low skull, big teeth. They just don’t look human. How do we really know they are the link between Erectus and us? I just don’t see it going by the fossils.
Yes, it is true, the fossil record is scant enough to doubt the straight lines sometimes drawn between the findings. Maybe heidelbergensis is either highly specialized, albeit seemingly devolved, for something (nocturnal activity). That would make the features you mention adaptations. Alternatively, heidi is itself a hybrid between erectus and an earlier model, making the features regressive.
Personally, I am a big fan of the aquatic ape theory for homo sapiens sapiens. I think our posture, gracile frame, neck, hand webbing and almost complete nakedness was due to quite recent specialization in lake or ocean settings. Before this specialization, (200k-300k ybp) I suspect we were quite hirsute and muscle bound.
Hey Robert, have you stumbled upon this yet?
http://www.mid-americabigfoot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4065&p=20629#p20629
Yes I do not understand it. Who is Ed Smith and what group does he represent?
I don’t know him, but read the posts as well some time ago. I follow some of his comments. You banned him here I think about a month ago.. He seems to be a property owner with BF activity in Texas or Oklahoma and ties with MBRC which had independently been working on DNA, perhaps even some sent to Dr. K? Stubstad corresponded with him I believe, and may know more as they both had some raw data.
The legal proceedings I believe (2010) probably refer to the Stubstad/Ketchum LLC and/or Erickson legal threats? and/or any number I suppose. I do think it has been worked out enough to proceed?
Had a civil/thoughtful exchange with an Ed Smith (who knows if same) on blogspot, he seems to think for himself. All conjecture , I really have no idea beyond the comments on that board and others!
Maybe someone will correct me then we’ll know.
Are they attempting to say that Ketchum’s study won’t appear at all, due to legal proceedings?
Where is the data to back up this claim?
Apparently someone asked Dr.K about that post and she denies it as rumor.
However, the possibility of legal action is not pie-in-the-sky, especially given from almost day moves for consolidation/$$ (or science take your pick) via the LLC with Stubstad and Java Bob, or tying EP to results, who knows.
It seems like the NDAs aren’t just, “let’s keep this confidential till publishing,” – but something more, with financial impact to many?
Still just waiting for a published paper .
Robert, I always maintained that the shooter and the driver took “trophies” following the sierra kills. This is starting to be borne out withe the two steak sample scenario. I guarantee you that if they don’t have one (most likely the child) or both bodies (unlikely given the size of the adult); then they know exactly where the bodies are!
Great stuff as always, Robert!
All the conflicting stories on the Sierra kills means it’s a hoax. Just my opinion. how hard is it to tell the truth?
That info on whole genome sequencing is not correct. Hundreds of species of plants and animals have been fully sequenced. The technology has advanced very quickly and the cost is now much much lower. It is possible that Ketchum or Wally paid some lab to run the whole thing, probably wouldn’t have cost over 10,000 dollars these days. But of course that is just for each sample so I don’t imagine they did all of them.
Gertie
Thank you Gertie!
Hi Robert,
Great post as usual.
Sorry for being a bit vague about the details of this, but it seems the U.K. media might be gearing-up for the Ketchum release.
BBC Radio 4 had an interview with a scientist who seemed to be saying that dolphins are as intelligent as humans and therefore we need to rethink our relationship with them and our categorisation of them as ‘animals’ ( apologies, again, for clocking neither his name or the programme. It was broadcast between Mon. 20th and Weds 22nd- I’ve tried to track it down on the BBC R4 site, but no luck. ). Very similar themed article in either The Evening Standard or The Metro (leading London ‘commuter’ newspapers) on 23rd.
Maybe they are just talking about dolphins, or maybe…
I hope you can see where I’m coming from on this.
Tim. U.K.
The current list of embargoed articles does not show any that match the Ketchum work.
Caz,
Please keep everyone apprised of what you see in the embargoed article listing.
Thanks.
Thank you Tim!
If what Ed Smith says is true. I believe this will go beyond a hoax into criminal activity.
Here is a URL link to a “Daily Mail” (UK newspaper) about the Porpoise inteligence finding (reported at the AAAS meeting in Vancouver, Canada just days ago:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105703/Dolphin-expert-asks-Should-treated-humans.html
Robert you likely will never get the recognition you deserve for this. Some skunk working for MSNBC will. However I have a feeling you may not care so much.
You’re probably right, and indeed, I might not care so much. The money and the women might be nice though.
Damnit Robert, why does your blog on bigfoot have to be so freaking awesome and full of good stuff. I disagree with about everyother aspect on here, but this will still be the first site I check when taking in my daily bigfoot news. Keep up it up; at least the bigfoot news!!
Thank you!
So they are a different type of human, of the homo genus. I wonder if they will be accorded human rights, if this is all true.
bigfoot steaks? ya know, I want to believe, but wouldnt it be easier to take photos of dead bigfoots, then get the steaks, then get the bodies? I just skimmed your article, perhaps this was addressed, but I have trouble believing all this “evidence”. as for Matt Moneymaker, I honestly believe he makes it up as he goes along,. Rene and Cliff should run the show and boot off the bafoon, and moneymaker. just my 2 cents.
I watched Moneymaker’s TV show twice, almost puked the second time. What A maroon! His name actual or fake, says it all. Him and his crowd no longer are legitimate Sasquatch investigators. I discount everything he says as pure fiction. As we should all be aware by now, TY and most of the corporate news in just plain pulp fiction.
Sorry, “TY” should be “TV”.
“Alien teachers”? Ok, so advanced aliens capable of interstellar flight are running around naked in the woods, their hair matted with excrement, ticks, burrs, raiding garbage cans, sleeping in caves et al. “Advanced”? No, using toilet paper is advanced. Jesus, where the hell do these idiots come from? And isn’t Thom the guy who was talking about Sasquatch having an “EMF field”, (which is like saying “ATM machine”) they can use to confuse and disorient their prey? Yeah, buddy. Dummies like this just make the serious research easier to marginalize by sceptics, why do the New Age twits have to hijack everything and ruin it?
Thx for all these news!
I am from germany and love to read all this interesting BF stuff!
unfortunately there are no BF news in german – so robert: keep writing