New Interview Up

A new interview with me on Robert Stark’s show on the Reason Radio Network is up. The following is discussed in the show:

  • Attacking men’s masculinity–the modern western woman’s new game
  • Pickup artistry, sexual Social Darwinism, and why game unfolded
  • Playing a therapist, OCD subtypes such as harm OCD and POCD
  • How criminal histories and mental illnesses affects one’s attraction to the opposite sex

Feel free to check it out, and if you do, hope you enjoy it. Keep in mind that I don’t choose the topics of discussion. They are chosen by the host.

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  1. Conquistador

    I really enjoy your interviews with Robert. I’m glad he selected the topics that he did. It had been a while since he discussed men’s issues at any significant length.

  2. seedofjapheth

    Recently I read a news article that said that over 50% of births from women under 30 were births that happened not within a marriage. Over 50% out of wedlock births.

    And so basically this is from a generation where many of the women are looking for “bod boys” and they don’t want the nice guy beta male. So as a result all these women are having out of wedlock births, and also the amount of single mothers is huge.

    So many of these women are raising the kids on their own.

    So these women are pickier than ever. They look for the biggest jerk they can find and they date that guy and turn down all the nice guys. Then they complain that men are controlling and aggressive and leave them to raise the kids on their own…

    These women could have gone with the nice guy but they chose the alpha male jerk instead and are now stuck raising the kid on their own. And who picks up the bill? The beta male picks it up because he is taxed to pay for the welfare that these single mothers end up going on.

    And I am talking men of all races including white doing this with women, getting them pregnant and leaving welfare to take care of it. I know of many instances where white males have done this.

    The truth is women don’t know how to choose mates properly. They are just not good at it. Society is crazier than ever. The truth is things worked better when there was arranged marriages.

    Women just don’t know what they are doing when it comes to choosing mates(maybe a small minority of women make good choices but the vast majority of women don’t). They are ultra picky and then they end up choosing the worst of all possibilities and screwing up society with their decision because they picked a “bad boy” who wont provide for them leaving their kids to be on welfare paid for by the beta males of the world who work.

    Truth is women don’t understand men and often choose the wrong guy to have kids with.

    • tulio

      Women’s liberation was truly the opening of a Pandora’s box, the long-term social consequences of which are unfolding before our eyes. More out of wedlock births, delayed marriages(when people do get married), extreme hypergamy, and alpha males monopolizing sexually available females. I really can’t think of any measurable social good that has come from women’s liberation. Has more women in the workplace done a great deal of good? I dunno…I don’t see women coming up with cures for AIDS and cancer. I don’t see women engineering skyscrapers, or sending men to Mars, or fighting our wars. So what is the measurable benefit of feminism? Why is society better off with them in the boardroom than nurturing a family(with kids they had INSIDE of marriage)?

      • Steve

        The decline of Christianity has also been a factor in the increase of out of wedlock births and single parents. When Britain was more Christian, it was thought to be very improper to have children out of wedlock and immoral to have sex outside of marriage. Even by the fifties and sixties when the rate of young people having sex was actually getting quite high, Christian societal attitudes to sex and marriage acted as a counter balance. It was done in secret, part of youth culture but kept from the parents. If couples got pregnant, they would get married quickly to make it legitimate and respectable. At one time, getting pregnant when you were not married was shameful to the point that families would send their pregnant daughters away to convents. In the convents they would be forced to work hard (they were basically punished by the nuns) and would have the babies forcibly removed and adopted when they were born.

        The liberalizing of society has coincided with the decline of Christianity.
        Nowadays, Britain is Christian in history and in name only, for the most part. If a young person told me they went to church, I would find it quite unusual.

        ……………………………………………………………………………………..

        What good has woman’s lib done? Well, woman having the freedom to pursue whatever career they want and not being told that they are soft in the head and only suitable to child rearing is a great good in itself. I’m glad for my sister and mother that things have changed in that way and they now have the opportunity to reach their potential. The liberation of woman is a value in itself.

        As for your contention that working woman make no contribution to society, may I remind you that victory in world war two was only possible due to the graft of female factory workers. Woman now make up 20% of the US military.

        Since 1977, there have been nine female Nobel prize winners in physiology and medicine, and one earlier (1911). As for curing cancer, one of the most significant advances in cancer treatment was Marie Curie and her husband’s discovery of radium, for which she was awarded the Nobel prize in chemistry.

        Here is a list of 83 woman who made contributions to physics in the 20th century, a list not possible in previous centuries.

        http://cwp.library.ucla.edu/

        The last quarter of the 20th century was not included because there were too many woman working in physics to list.

        thanks.

        • Conquistador

          Sorry but women compete for jobs but don’t create any. Other than cosmetics there are no female created industries. Even fashion is dominated by gay men. Wages have also been stagnant since the 70′s which coincides to when women entered the workforce in droves.

      • Dota

        I have to agree with Tulio and Seed that feminism has retarded the female personality. Even today, feminism’s major argument is that child rearing is inherently degrading. Demolish this bogus argument and feminism crumbles to the ground. Most modern western women lack integrity and morals. Read Maggie Tulliver’s rejection of Phillip Wakem in Elliot’s Mill on the Floss. There are very few women who have that sort of strength of character today.

        And as Tulio said, what good has come from this movement? The influx of labour caused wages to plummet, society has become destabilized, and the tax base has broadened. Is it any wonder then that feminism was nurtured and funded by the likes of David Rockerfeller? The divorce rates and the fucked up family laws have ensured that wealth is spread thin through the populace by transferring it from men to women, and is then siphoned upwards.

        • Steve

          ‘Even today, feminism’s major argument is that child rearing is inherently degrading. Demolish this bogus argument and feminism crumbles to the ground.’

          There’s a much more positive message from feminism that woman have the RIGHT to pursue a career and develop their capabilities and reach their potential and contribute to whatever field of human endeavor, if they wish to. To deny them this and ban them from the workplace across society is clearly oppression of half the population. They should have the option. Who has the right to deny them their free choices? And how unfortunate that female geniuses and talented woman be forced to do nothing more than tend a house, while inferior men go to work.

          Even if child rearing is not degrading (and I’ve never heard a feminist say that it is) and we all agree its a virtuous and honorable vocation, woman should still have the freedom to do something else instead or as well. So destroy that argument and feminism absolutely doesn’t crumble to the ground.

          Even if society places a high premium on child rearing by females, once the kids are at school age, mum has all day free to work. My mum stayed at home when we were small but then started a career, in which she has been successful and highly capable, when my sister and I were in our teens.

          ‘Most modern western women lack integrity and morals.’

          It depends what you consider immoral. Modern western woman clearly commonly do things, such as drink and have sex outside wedlock, that a traditional Muslim culture would consider immoral. I’ve known many western woman that were fundamentally good and honest and caring people but did these things. Woman are free to make their own choices and you can’t control them anymore. Maybe you don’t like this. I like the woman being free and equal. It suits me just fine.

          Incidentally, my experiences of woman, from family to many friends to romantic interests, have been overwhelmingly positive.

        • Steve

          * Who has the right to deny them their free choices? THEY ARE EQUAL CITIZENS.

        • Dota

          Steve

          For starters, quit trying to paint my worldview with an Islamic brush. Nobody else around here does and you’re beginning to sound like AP.

          I’ve never denied the equality of women in terms of their worth as human beings. However gender roles are inherent and tied to our evolution. Scientists agree that it is this gender division of labour which helped homo sapiens survive while the Neanderthals went the way of the Dinosaur.

          “”Even if child rearing is not degrading (and I’ve never heard a feminist say that it is) “”

          Really? I have. Arch Femenazi Simone de Beauvior said the following about home making: “”Women should not have that choice, because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one” (Saturday Review, June 14, 1975). ”

          ’ Modern western woman clearly commonly do things, such as drink and have sex outside wedlock, that a traditional Muslim culture would consider immoral.”

          That’s not what I was talking about. I was talking about being self serving and vindictive. I’m amazed at the things my white friends have to put up with because thanks to feminism, women aren’t held up to any standards whatsoever.

          “”And how unfortunate that female geniuses and talented woman be forced to do nothing more than tend a house, while inferior men go to work.””

          Well boo hoo Steve. India has likely squandered tons of talent over history because the caste system is anti-meritocratic. Think of the number of high IQ Shudras forced to work on a farm when they could have become philosophers. Welcome to the reality of the world we live in. True genius doesn’t require special attention or special treatment, it triumphs regardless. Shivaji (a Shudra peasant) was crowned Chatrapati despite Brahmin objections. Richard Branson, Bill Gates and Jim Clark were all high school drop outs. Many of the Greek Philosophers were poor, such as Thales and Mencius. I’m not denying women that choice. I’m simply against Feminism undermining the family by portraying these gender roles as oppressive. What makes the human species fascinating is that we are the only mammals who are patriarchal. I do not want to live in a matriarchal stone age if you please, where the males’ only role is to impregnate and then disappear. Yet that is precisely the direction that western societies are headed towards given the current family laws and the rise of the glorified single mother. A matriarchal society did not construct the pyramids.

        • Bay Area Guy

          What makes the human species fascinating is that we are the only mammals who are patriarchal. I do not want to live in a matriarchal stone age if you please, where the males’ only role is to impregnate and then disappear. Yet that is precisely the direction that western societies are headed towards given the current family laws and the rise of the glorified single mother. A matriarchal society did not construct the pyramids.

          Excellent remark!

          Men are what makes the world go round. They’re the ones who built the pyramids, created philosophy, science, inventions and innovations, constitutional governments, the greatest works of literature, and I could go on and on.

          And how many of these men were castrated, feminist, postmodernist types who railed against the evils of “patriarchy?” Despite not knowing a ton about the personal lives of many of these great men, I’m guessing it’s very little.

          Just imagine how little civilization would have progressed if the likes of Socrates and Confucius were wussified men who subscribed to feminism.

        • Bay Area Guy

          However gender roles are inherent and tied to our evolution.

          Tell that to some of the postmodernist feminist loons on my college campus.

          To hear them tell it, gender doesn’t really exist, is merely a social construct, and is simply society’s way of imposing oppressive norms on different people.

          (yes, they have actually used the term “male identified people” to refer to guys)

          I mean, can anyone seriously deny that there are biological differences between the two, and that these differences manifest themselves quite clearly?

        • Gay State Girl

          Never had to deal with post modern feminism at my school. My University was 2/3 male, and I liked it that way.

          Dota
          You’re one of the biggest drama queens I’ve ever met in a man. AP told me that was a common trait among Desi men. You’d fit in very well in the typical female environment you speak so highly of.

          The nuclear family is overrated. While Eminem and Everclear were bitching about there fathers leaving them, I was wishing my mine would.

        • Steve

          Dota,

          ‘For starters, quit trying to paint my worldview with an Islamic brush. Nobody else around here does and you’re beginning to sound like AP.’

          Okay, apologies. I had in my mind that that’s where you were coming from. Maybe because I read your essay about Islamic history.

          ‘ I was talking about being self serving and vindictive.’

          That doesn’t describe any of the woman in my big western family, all of whom have benefited from equality. I haven’t seen woman being any more self-serving than men- some people are, some people aren’t- and I’ve honestly never seen any vindictive behavior from woman, personally. I don’t doubt it happens but I grew up in a western society and I’m just not relating to your characterization of western woman. I’ve actually seen and heard of much more abusive and bad behavior from men towards woman than the other way around.

          ‘I’m amazed at the things my white friends have to put up with because thanks to feminism, women aren’t held up to any standards whatsoever.’

          Which standards should they be held up to? As per what I’ve said, you will have to give me examples to make me understand.

          ‘Arch Femenazi Simone de Beauvior said the following about home making: “”Women should not have that choice, because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one” (Saturday Review, June 14, 1975).’

          She isn’t saying home making is *degrading*, as far as I can tell. ???

          ‘Well boo hoo Steve. India has likely squandered tons of talent over history because the caste system is anti-meritocratic. Think of the number of high IQ Shudras forced to work on a farm when they could have become philosophers. Welcome to the reality of the world we live in.’

          Well then that is a pity for India and for the people who never realized their potential. Yes we live in a world with plenty of injustice and tyranny and oppression and cruelty. It doesn’t mean we should simply accept it. I’d like the low caste people to not be disadvantaged and woman to not be oppressed. Feminism does not simply say that child rearing is oppressive. It is when woman are told that’s all they are good for and not allowed to do anything else or even to vote, when they are not equal citizens with equal freedoms and rights.

          ‘True genius doesn’t require special attention or special treatment, it triumphs regardless.’

          Some geniuses have triumphed regardless but how many haven’t? How many people of high intelligence or great potential never even learned to read or never got their shot? Why did woman suddenly start winning Nobel prizes in the last 100 years? There were none capable before?

          ‘I do not want to live in a matriarchal stone age if you please, where the males’ only role is to impregnate and then disappear. Yet that is precisely the direction that western societies are headed towards given the current family laws and the rise of the glorified single mother.’

          I find that silly. Men have more of the important and powerful roles in society than woman. I don’t see any sign whatsoever of a dawning age male irrelevance.

          In most cases of single mothers, the man fucks off to leave her to bring the child up herself and both the child and mother would like the father’s presence and support. Maybe those men need to change.

          ‘What makes the human species fascinating is that we are the only mammals who are patriarchal.’

          Chimps are patriarchal. Many mammals, maybe most (I don’t know), have a male as the leader or in the dominant position in the group. Wolves for example.

          ‘However gender roles are inherent and tied to our evolution. Scientists agree that it is this gender division of labour which helped homo sapiens survive while the Neanderthals went the way of the Dinosaur.’

          Many things may have helped Homo Sapiens survive. More cooperation between groups, for example. A lot of it is speculation. In any case, we live in very different conditions to the ice age or prehistory. Evolution involves change and adaptation. What is best now? What is just?

          If men are more suited to certain types of work and woman to others, because of their physicality and temperament, then the division of labour will probably reflect that. More men will be builders, more woman will be nurses. There’s nothing wrong with that. Maybe more men will be scientists, more woman writers. Maybe not. Whatever. But if a woman wants to be a builder or a scientist, she should have no obstacles because of her gender. How can that harm the human species? The effective allocation of jobs to the best suited people.

          I actually do think it is probably good for a mother to stay with her young children but once they start school, there’s no reason why she shouldn’t work or after they grow up.

          I think the question we need to ask is is it best for children to be full time with their mothers (rather than fathers) until they start school and afterwards to spend as much time with them as possible after school etc? If the answer is yes and this is beneficial to children, then we may need to agree as a society that its best for woman to not pursue a hardcore career while their children are growing up. I concede the possibility of that but I wont say a woman’s place is only in the home or that they should be debarred from any job or position in principle.

        • Steve

          Bay Area Guy,

          ‘I mean, can anyone seriously deny that there are biological differences between the two, and that these differences manifest themselves quite clearly?’

          I don’t deny that fyi yet I still support a certain type of feminism.

          Those post modern feminist, hyper pc types at your college who say ‘male identified people’ kind of annoy me too.

        • Gay State Girl

          Thanks Steve.
          People often join fringe groups or adopt their sensibilities because they themselves are lacking acceptance. I’ve never really experienced the women he described. They are in the minority, and dismissed and ridiculed by most women. Men aren’t going anywhere.

          Dota
          I don’t believe you speak with a muslim togue. AP talked about how Desi men are wusses.

        • Steve

          I said ‘Why did woman suddenly start winning Nobel prizes in the last 100 years?’

          okay i feel silly. They only started 100 years ago or so. But you get my point. There have only been accomplished woman scientists in the past 100 years…woman must have had the potential earlier.

        • Dota

          BAG

          “”However gender roles are inherent and tied to our evolution.

          Tell that to some of the postmodernist feminist loons on my college campus. “”

          It’s funny because they insist that homosexuals were born a certain way, and that homosexuality cannot be a socially conditioned pattern of behavior, yet adopt the very opposite position for heterosexuals.

        • Bay Area Guy

          It’s funny because they insist that homosexuals were born a certain way, and that homosexuality cannot be a socially conditioned pattern of behavior, yet adopt the very opposite position for heterosexuals.

          Very interesting. I’ve never actually thought of it like that before. If all forms of “gender” or “sexuality” (I’m putting them in quotes just like they do) are merely social constructs with no biological basis, then gay people could simply stop being gay.

          You know what, Dota? If I ever get into a debate with a feminist/postmodernist type, I’m going to challenge them on this.

        • Steve

          BAG,

          they will probably just say that if sexuality is caused by some sort of psychological development related to particular circumstances, rather than genes, that doesn’t mean it is consciously chosen or you can simply make a choice to change it.

        • Steve

          I’m from the ‘millennial generation’ and I’m still calling major bullshit on the 10% statistic.

      • Bay Area Guy

        alpha males monopolizing sexually available females.

        Indeed, Tulio. Like you said, it’s a matter of supply and demand, with the demand for attractive, nice women FAR exceeding the supply. This puts good women almost completely out of reach of the average guy, with only exceptional guys able to find a good woman.

        As far as love/romance is concerned, the U.S. is like a 3rd world country, with the top 10% of guys enjoying access to the best women, while the rest of the 90% of men fight for the scraps.

        • Dota

          BAG

          How do you define an Alpha male? I hear what you’re saying because my supervisor seems to have the same problem as you do. He’s intelligent and educated as well.

        • Steve

          I don’t believe that 90% of men are fighting for the scraps. What percentage of men are in relationships or getting laid? Its way more than 10%. Way more.

        • Bay Area Guy

          How do you define an Alpha male?

          Good question, Dota.

          Hard to say, exactly. Without wanting to tute my own horn, I’m intelligent and well educated, I workout at the gym frequently, and I’m a reasonably good looking guy.

          And yet I see myself as a beta male, and have absolutely no luck with the ladies.

          What then, makes a male Alpha? At least for me, it has to do with one’s game skills, but more fundamentally, their confidence. Alpha males have absolutely no reservations about approaching random attractive girls, they’re certain that they will succeed, and they often do.

          One of my best friends right now is an Alpha male. He just has a certain charisma, confidence, and incredible success that few young men could ever hope to replicate.

          That’s my take on it. It’s not easy to articulate at times, but you can just tell when a guy is Alpha.

        • Bay Area Guy

          I don’t believe that 90% of men are fighting for the scraps. What percentage of men are in relationships or getting laid? Its way more than 10%. Way more.

          Perhaps you need to re-read what I wrote, Steve. Channeling Tulio, I pointed out that nice, attractive women, in the United States are now few and far between, and out of reach of all but the top 10% of guys.

          Sure, a lot more than 10% of guys (although based on my own personal experience/observations I’ve made on a college campus, even that’s debatable) get laid, but with whom? Nice, attractive girls? Hardly.

          I’m talking about nice, attractive women. If I wanted to have a fat, ugly and bitchy girlfriend, or if I wanted to fuck one, I already could have. There have been ugly girls who have liked in the past.

          My problem is that my standards are high, and the only girls who meet my standards are well out of reach. I think I speak for a lot of American men in this regard.

        • Gay State Girl

          Gay Area Guy
          Could it have anything to do with your …um views?

          You strike me as someone who likes to get into intense political discussions. Could you refrain from deep political or philosphical discussions during dates? I probably sound as if I have no respect for my own sex, and I myself like to have those intense discussions with lovers.

          I would want my lover to be straight forward about their beliefs, and enjoy philoshophical debates, but I’m not every girl.

        • Steve

          BAG,

          what percentage of woman would you say are ‘nice, attractive woman’? Is it much higher than 10% of woman?

          I would find it hard to believe that 10% of guys have the say 30% of woman (the hot ones). Most hot girls get into relationships so they would need the top 30% of men, wouldn’t they?

        • Bay Area Guy

          Gay Area Guy
          Could it have anything to do with your …um views?

          If by “my views,” you mean the fact that I’m very interested in controversial issues, then no, because I never delve into such stuff around girls (or people I don’t really know in general).

          If by “my views,” you mean my anti-feminist, pro-male views, then I don’t think that has an impact at all.

          My close, alpha male friend, has a very attractive, incredibly sweet girlfriend, and he’s an unapologetic male chauvinist (though definitely not around her or other girls).

        • Conquistador

          Well said, Bay Area Guy. A generation or two ago the average dude would be married with kids in his mid 20′s. Now he struggles just to get a girlfriend and is labeled a “creeper” for being a beta male.

          Anyone who doesn’t believe that only the top men get women nowadays probably isn’t from the millennial generation (the first to grow up under feminism).

        • Bay Area Guy

          Anyone who doesn’t believe that only the top men get women nowadays probably isn’t from the millennial generation

          Well, being a member of the millennial generation, I completely concur.

          I think this generation will witness the greatest number of sexually frustrated and romantically deprived men.

        • Gay State Girl

          Conquistador
          Males are the ones who are afraid of lifelong commitment.

        • Steve

          I’m from the millennial generation and I’m still calling major bullshit on the 10% statistic.

      • Gay State Girl

        I’ve never really witnessed feminism in action the way I have with other movements.

        And the number one reason why males are superior…..
        They conk out first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Steve

      50% out of wedlock births but what percentage of births are within in a stable relationship but the couple aren’t married? These days in the UK, people often have a kid and get married later.

      How many woman are in relationships? I don’t know the figures but there are woman in relationships everywhere you look and they can’t all be in relationships with Alpha males. Most of the males in relationships must be beta because only 15% of males are alpha according to Robert and a much higher percentage than that are in relationships.

      Don’t men also make bad choices? They are always falling for the best looking woman, or trying to date woman they are physically attracted to, sometimes at the expense of the woman with the best characters or the most to offer. Guys love to get into a situation where they are having sex with a sexy female. There are plenty of single woman who also may feel they have a right to be bitter, when they see hot woman getting attention left, right and centre, but men never look at them twice. I guess there are alpha females, who just can’t stay single for long.

      • seedofjapheth

        I don’t know what the UK situation is with women. I am an American.

        • Steve

          What I said applies to America too, except for one thing. I don’t know if people in America are having kids and getting married later but they probably are, some anyway.

        • seedofjapheth

          Have you spent a lot of time in America? Basically all I am saying with regards to America is that the vast majority of women here do very poorly in terms of mate selection.

    • An Unmarried Man

      Women are no more evolved to choose mates than men are evolved to match shoes and skirts.

      • Gay State Girl

        I don’t know jack shit about fashion and don’t want to know. Does that make me any more properly equipped to choose a mate?

      • Gay State Girl

        Richard
        What would you propose doing with the “scraps?”

        • Feed them to the pigs. Scraps and leftovers are traditionally fed to the pigs on most female farms. Whatever scraps are left over from the raising and breeding of females for show or for whatever purpose is typical given to the pigs. The male pigs in particular love to feast on any female leftovers and scraps that you shovel their way. These male pigs will consume virtually anything, let me tell you. Even the female scraps that most others would find unpalatable if not inedible.

    • richard

      Amen, brother, I’ve been trying to explain this to people for years. How do I know? Personal experience. What you’re saying is dead-on.

  3. Shawn

    I haven’t listened to the interview yet (I will). But regarding PUA there are tons of snake oil guys out there because these PUA instructors/authors quickly find out that if they are honest they won’t make money. They are competing against the PUA guy who says anyone can be an alpha! Anyone can get a 10! Naive young guys believe this stuff and the honest PUA instructor cannot compete with the lies.

  4. Gay State Girl

    Skimming through the archives, I see you’re in great company.

  5. Gay State Girl

    Dota
    I don’t mind child rearing, as I wouldn’t trust anyone else with my kids and there are more options to be productive out of home today. You can’t confront women directly, you have to give them other incentives to raise to adopt traditional gender roles. You can appeal to post modernist women by telling them that school kill s creativity and extolling the virtues of organic food that can only be produced in your home and garden.

    • Dota

      A real feminine woman doesn’t need to be coerced or coaxed into a domestic role, she chooses it as an act of love. I don’t believe in making women do anything.

      • Gay State Girl

        You mean love for her husband or children?

        It’s hard to say whether I would. On the one hand I could say that children aren’t young forever, and I’d be squandering a potential career for a mere decade in my life. On the other hand it is easier to have a career and engage in political and humanitarian activism out of one’s home in this era. I always wanted to have at least 3-4 children, but I have never loved a man so much that I would base my life’s decisions on it.

  6. Gay State Girl

    Steve
    I can tolerate typical male behavior and I’m not very materialistic myself. My idea of romance would have to be dangerous and suspenseful, not in the name of financial stability. I said I had difficulty sitting through sci fi and sports, but I am ALLERGIC to fashion and girls’ drama. I don’t even want a ring.

    Gay Area Guy
    Just curious though, why do you believe men are entitled to sex?

  7. Bay Area Guy

    @ GSG

    I’m not saying that men are entitled to sex. What I am saying is that if they want to get any sex from a good woman, they should look outside of the U.S.

    • Gay State Girl

      Well the top 10% men get the top 10% women. Why is that so surprising to you? If you mean to say a good number of American women are obese, then you are correct, but that also applies to men.

      • Conquistador

        “Well the top 10% men get the top 10% women.” – gay girl

        WRONG. The top ten percent of men are hooking up with girls in in their league as well as a few notches below them. Informal polygamy is being widely practiced.

        Before the sexual revolution.

        http://www.hookingupsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Slide1.jpg

        Now.

        http://www.hookingupsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Slide12.jpg

        • Steve

          No way does that second link represent what is happening. This idea that the top echelon of men are getting almost all the woman is bullshit. I’m gonna call bullshit on that.

          If the top alpha males are with more than one woman, then some of his girlfriends also have beta male boyfriends they are cheating on. If you look at the figures of how many men are in relationships, you’ll find its a lot more than the 10 or 20 or even 30%.

          I don’t know if it is bitter single guys who harp on about alpha males monopolizing all the woman but I know they *sound like* bitter single guys; bitter single guys who want to blame woman for being shallow and neglecting the nice guys.

          There are lots of woman out there and some of them will most likely go out with you if you make an effort. Judging by how many guys are in relationships with woman, its totally possible for any average guy to find a chick. I see them all the time, big ones, little ones, fat ones, thin ones, nice ones, nasty ones. if you’re missing out, make an effort. If you don’t try, it doesn’t matter how nice looking and worthy you are, you’ll probably pass more weeks and months single. Get out there, make an effort.

        • Conquistador

          Why are marriage rates plummeting? Why is involuntary celibacy up? Why has game exploded? Why am I taking time out of my life to post about these things?

          “I don’t know if it is bitter single guys who harp on about alpha males monopolizing all the woman but I know they *sound like* bitter single guys; bitter single guys who want to blame woman for being shallow and neglecting the nice guys. ” – Steve

          I have no idea how old you are but I assume you’re an older gentlemen. Guys are “bitter” because they’ve learned from middle school onward who gets girls and who doesn’t. The average guy can get laid but when he does it’s because he “got lucky” not due to much else at least not until he’s past 25 as that’s when women his age ( at least the smart ones) realize they won’t snag a guy out of their league so they begin to “settle”.

        • Gay State Girl

          “Why are marriage rates plummeting?”

          Why is that such a bad thing? I guess the grass is much greener on the other side. While Eminem, Tupac, and Everclear were turning their departed father into lucrative careers, I was praying my dad would up and leave.

          My mother was always the productive one. My father was the unreasonable and unnecessary consumer.

          Knock off it Conquistador. Men are the ones with the famed commitment phobias. And why do you think the female rejects pushed second wave feminism in the first place?

          Dota
          You mentioned you were deficient in the male dominated fields that you correctly claimed most beneficial to our civilization that you were so boastful about. Why would you tout others’ accomplishments in those area, if the achievement gap sheds light on your own inadequacies.

        • Conquistador

          “Men are the ones with the famed commitment phobias.” – gay girl

          Late marriage societies like ours don’t work. A woman past her 20′s has already given the best years of her life to other men. No guy want’s another man’s leftovers.

        • Steve

          Conquistador,

          I’m 27 and I’m English. Maybe England is different to America.

          Here, I’ve never heard anyone talking about game, I wasn’t aware that celibacy rates were up. Its true that the marriage rates are plummeting:

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/11/marriage-rates-uk-data

          That doesn’t mean there are less couples, just less couples getting married. There are certainly changing attitudes to marriage and not many people are Christian in the UK anymore in any meaningful sense. I would like to find out if there is an increase in single people but even if there is, you are still far from proving that a small percentage of men are monopolizing all the woman while nobody else can get any.

          I see a lot of young guys with girlfriends. Its way more than 10% and the girlfriends are usually a similar level of attractiveness. I’ve seen plenty of not good looking guys who got laid too.

          Since I was a teenager, there have always been girls and woman who seemed to be attracted to me and I’ve had numerous opportunities with attractive woman ( possibly the sexiest one ever- damn she was sexy- had a boyfriend back home and still tried to sleep with me [I was super principled and turned her down- I still wonder if it was the right choice!])….but I guess I’m on the better looking end of the spectrum…I’ve flirted a bit but I’ve never employed the slightest bit of game, to the best of my knowledge, and I’ve always just been myself and made them laugh.

        • seedofjapheth

          @Steve,

          England may be different than America. It’s not a good idea to make judgements about what may be happening in America based on what you see happening in England.

      • richard

        From what I’ve seen, it’s more like the top 30% of the women get the top 10% of the men. I see even fairly plain women able to pick and choose on the dating sites, simply because the majority of the guys responding to the profiles are more than willing to accept something they probably wouldn’t want to be seen with in public if it has a vagina, and women know this. Ergo, even quite unattractive women can get sex, so the plain-and-up (the ones a guy would be seen with) are beset as if by locusts and take their pick.

  8. Gay State Girl

    Gay Area Guy
    Regarding your statement that men make the world go round, and Dota’s immediate nod of approval. I can’t help but think you are trying to base your own self worth through the accomplishments of others. Usually people with no major accomplishments in their name, join extremist nationalist, gender, sexual orientation, class, or geographic oriented groups or take up those ideologies.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Usually people with no major accomplishments in their name, join extremist nationalist, gender, sexual orientation, class, or geographic oriented groups or take up those ideologies.

      What can I say, GSG, I have a tribal mentality at heart. This in-group tribalism can extend beyond race, and at times apply to gender.

      Surely, you of all people identifying with their group.

      Re: people take up ideologies to compensate for their own lousy lives

      Sorry GSG, but I have heard that WAY too often. I don’t know your intent, but more often than not it’s a way to shame people who espouse certain ideologies.

      I also don’t think that people who identify with the accomplishments of others are necessarily losers.

      One just has to look at all of my Asian friends/peers on campus, and how they’ve been going nuts over basketball player Jeremy Lin as of late. Heck, to hear them tell it, you would think they were Jeremy Lin clones! But does that mean they’re losers with no life?

      Besides, as I’ve said before, one of my best friends is an Alpha male, extremely talented in areas other than game, has an amazing girlfriend, etc. And yet he’s an unapologetic male chauvinist and harbors the same views on gender that I do.

      So is he someone deficient in his life?

      • Bay Area Guy

        Surely, you of all people identifying with their group.

        Sorry, that should have said, “surely, you of all people can understand those who identify with their group.”

        • Gay State Girl

          Sorry about that. Maybe I was a bit harsh. I don’t really like it when anyone takes collective credit for an accomplishment of another member of their vaunted group. I’ve been critical of Jews who go on about jewish Nobel prize winners. But when you say female dominated societies have failed, how many societies do you have base your assertion on? I’ve never really had an interest in feminism, as I grew up in an open society, but masculinists are starting to sound a bit childish. Can you ever advocate for your own group without proclaiming your superiority or playing up your victimhood?

      • Steve

        ‘What can I say, GSG, I have a tribal mentality at heart.’

        that’s the thing. I think we often argue about what is the rational way to think about something, but often the view we take comes from how we feel or how mature we are perhaps. I argued endlessly with a racist British nationalist on the assumption that I could convince him with reason but we just didn’t see the world or life the same way or feel the same way.

      • Car Guy

        BAG,

        Is this best friend of yours Asian?

    • Conquistador

      “Usually people with no major accomplishments in their name, join extremist nationalist, gender, sexual orientation, class, or geographic oriented groups or take up those ideologies.” – gay girl

      Well you aren’t the first person to suggest this but keep in mind people who benefit from the system have no reason to complain in fact they don’t even think anything is wrong.

      Many of us think the country is going to hell fast. What is really happening is that the middle class is shrinking and underclass is growing. However to someone in the upper middle class or elite they just can’t fathom what anybody is complaining about.

  9. Gay State Girl

    Hey Tulio
    Niggaz were more productive when you were picking our cotton.

  10. Gay State Girl

    Oh sorry Alpha that was facetious, but it was in response to something really dumb.

  11. Gay State Girl

    Hopefully as a female, your senses will come through. Among microbiologists, sky scraper engineers, astronauts, women’s numbers are greater than blacks. There is a far bigger pool of women than blacks of both genders, but this is about female productivity not HBD. As someone who seems desperate to prove your own race’s worth, when your statistics are pretty bleak, why do you see the need to attack another group?

  12. Gay State Girl

    Tulio
    In honor of Black history month, (aptly chosen Februrary) maybe you’d like to tell us a little about African American accomplishments in medicine, engineering, aviation and aeronautics.

  13. Bay Area Guy

    Let’s PLEASE not derail this into a race discussion on black people! God knows we’ve had way too many of those in the past

  14. Gay State Girl

    Gay Area Guy
    It would be intersting to compare the accomplishments of scientifically challenged women and culturally challenged blacks (shout out to the culturally biased IQ tests.) There are far more more white women then black women, so it will be impossible to be accurate, but lets examine the benefits of having blacks in the board room rather than in the fields.

    • Bay Area Guy

      GSG, I know you’re upset. I mean, hey, if my gender were being disparaged, I would be up in arms too.

      I just don’t get why you’re unleashing so much venom on Tulio, when he only made one comment on this post?

      Also, race and gender are two completely different animals. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges.

  15. Gay State Girl

    True, but both groups are considered challenged in some regard or another.

    I’m not mad at Tulio, he has been hyper defensive of my tribe in the past, but I never heard his views on women before. But if we can debate whether women are an asset or a liability to the (financially compensated) workforce, why can’t we do the same with blacks?

  16. Gay State Girl

    Dota
    I’m serious. My aunt is an ultra radical feminist, yet she is too lazy to actually hold a job. She holds a PHD in an oversaturated field and can not find a desirable position at an institution that she would find respectable, so she stays at home. My mother has never had any interest in feminism, yet she has worked full time since before I was born, sometimes at our expense. She would be an ideal housewife, as her hobbies include gardening, organic cooking, house decor (though not cleaning), and she is an expert in the fields of child development and education from a academic perspective. Just don’t tell her those tasks were historically assigned to females and she could be an uglier version of June Cleaver.

  17. Gay State Girl

    How come it’s acceptable to joke about women but not racial minorities?

  18. Gay State Girl

    Acceptance of new wave feminism is not nearly as widespread as other identity movements and is ridiculed by males and females alike. Talking about biological differences in intelligence between different races will get you into much deeper water than talking about gender roles. Even my race baiting professor made jokes about feminists.

  19. Gay State Girl

    I always wanted to go to one of Norman’s events and yell “shut up and fuck me.”

  20. Gay State Girl

    I don’t have aproblem with child rearing, except for the fact that it does not require intelligence, only intuition. The smartest people are often the worst parents.

  21. Gay State Girl

    Gay Area Guy
    I support ethnonationalism and in group identity for my own group for far more complex reasons than the average nationalist. It’s as much about creating a more mature and healthy outlook asit is about cultural preservation. I’m not hyper chauvinistic and you know that.

    I just think it is childish to determine your own self worth vicariously through the accomplishments of your own group, and I would include jews in this.

    I’d like to ask all the cultural/gender chauvinists on this site. If you believe you belong to a group that is inherently talented, how come you’ve never accomplished anything great?

    • Steve

      I sometimes felt proud that white people had made so many tech and scientific advances…..I thought of all the modern technology Africans were using that white people developed….then it struck me that I am just as much a benefactor of other people’s achievements as they are. I didn’t invent aeroplanes. Human’s came up with tech and other humans benefited from it, me and them.

  22. Gay State Girl

    I do too. But in claiming their group is inherently superior, a person with mediocre intelligence, talents, or skills is decreasing their own relative position within their group. (I’m not referring to you particularly, jews are the biggest culprits.)

    • Steve

      that Nazi guy or one of his BNP allies (he was too radical for the BNP but they were sort of on the same side) would say how blacks were less intelligent on average than whites and I would think yeah but you are probably less intelligent than the black average.

      • Gay State Girl

        The BNP and EDL are willing to make alliances with zionists to curb muslim immigration to Europe, from what I am told.

        I support ethnonationalism because I believe that immersion within one’s mother culture, and experiencing its strengths and failures first hand will give one a mature and healthy outlook.

  23. Steve

    there is a scene in revolutionary road where the woman played by Winslet and the man played by DiCaprio are having an argument and she says that he isn’t a man or what kind of man is he or something. He gets REALLY mad but I think he controls himself. This was set in the 50′s.

  24. Gay State Girl

    Boasting about accomplishments of members of one’s vaunted group only reveals their own mediocracy.

  25. Gay State Girl

    Conquistador
    The real job creators are the consumers not employers, and females are broader consumers.

    • Conquistador

      Yes personal debt levels and living beyond one’s means has exploded since women became the drivers of the consumer economy. However employment in retail can’t sustain a middle class society.

  26. Gay State Girl

    By claiming your own group’s superiority,you are only revealing your own inadequacy if you have not lived up to your potential.

  27. Gay State Girl

    Conquistador and Gay Area Guy
    What would you propose for the “scraps?”

  28. Gay State Girl

    Would you let them work since they’re no for anything else?

  29. Gay State Girl

    Dota
    Would it not be an equivalent gesture of love to bring in a second salary?

    • Dota

      True. But if she dumps the kid in daycare so that she can earn that promotion, then thats not as acceptable. All that stuff you said about running a home business sounds good to me. I never objected to women working, just placing their careers on a pedestal and worshiping it at the cost of neglecting their other duties. Ofcourse feminazis would argue that such duties are the manifestation of patriarchal control which brings us back to the truism that women aren’t held up to any standards in western societies and are hence morally retarded.

      • Gay State Girl

        I spent most of my early childhood in day care and pre school and my parents devoured the advice of others’ rather than depend on their own instincts and that left a lasting effect on me that I’ll never shake off, so I do understand where your coming from. I always liked the idea of working from home, but that is only because technology and transportation affords us new conveneience and facility we could never have dreamed of. I never had any interest in third wave feminism. No one really takes that shit seriously and it dismissed by males and females alike.

        Hey Tulio
        Maybe if we beefed up black athletes on steroids and employed them in various areas of labor rather than using machinery, we would not be as dependent upon crude oil. We could have you manning the machines, driving rickshaws, and once our economy reverts back to prmitive agriculture, you’ll know what you have to do.

  30. Gay State Girl

    Causation is not the same as correlation.

  31. Xera

    You know Robert I was going I used to listen to the Stark truth on a regular basis, until I listened to the latest ones, and they seem way too racist in a hillarious nutty WN way. I thought the guy held the same views as you do on reasonable logical terms in regards to race & various subject matters but then I realized he is sort of the same as those WN’s you argue and get into conflict with.

  32. Gay State Girl

    Xera
    Jewamongyou reserves his biting rhetoric for blacks and hispanics. He is actually very defensive towards Arabs compared to jewish neocons and admitted the zionist role in the expulsion of jews from various middle eastern countries and the subsequent exploitation and hebraization of them at the expense of their native cultures. He is also surprisingly honest about (some) of the root causes of antisemitism in europe.
    You can hear this interview.
    http://reasonradionetwork.com/20111014/the-stark-truth-the-ashkenazi-revolution

    Vincent Rinehart
    http://reasonradionetwork.com/20111019/the-stark-truth-interview-with-vincent-rinehart

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