Great new Bigfoot photo may be revealed this week! A great new trailcam photo of a Bigfoot has been taken and is scheduled to be released this Thursday. I don’t know precisely who took the photo. At first I thought it might have been taken by Olympic Project, but now I have heard that it won’t be them, and instead it will be some other group.
The photo shows the creature from the rear as it is walking away from the cam. It may be a daylight shot, because the color has been described as coyote-like. In terms of quality, it is said to be better than the Patterson film. The Bigfoot is huge!
Word is that the photo is not hoaxed. Well, let’s hope not, but you never know in this field.
Hollywood animation bigwig talking to Justin Smeja – cinema version of Sierra Kills may be in the works. My new source in Texas tells me he found a Twitter account belonging to someone who he would not name, but he said it was “the guy who did the animation for the Lord of the Rings films.”
The source then began emailing the animation guy and ended up having long email conversations with him, during the course of which the source learned a lot. According to these conversations, the animation guy contacted Smeja and told him he believed Justin’s story. “You just can’t make this stuff up,” he said. The man then told Smeja that he would like to bring his Sierra Kills story to life via animation. At some point, the man was shown drawings of the adult and baby Bigfoots killed at the Sierra Kills.
No one knows what this all adds up to, but the man said he intends to bring Smeja’s story to life in some way. Whether this will be a full movie or a part of a documentary, no one knows.
Date for Dr. Melba Ketchum study release remains unknown. The previous date that I heard, given in late January, was at the end of February. I still don’t know if that is a good date yet. Even if they have a release date, the Ketchum camp is probably not going to tell us when it is. My sources are excellent, so if there’s no paper release at the end of the month, I wasn’t wrong, the Ketchum camp was.
Two pieces of steak may have been mailed to Ketchum’s lab after the Sierra Kills – one from the baby and one from the adult. In my very first version of the Sierra Kills story, I believe I wrote that two separate steaks were sent into the lab by Smeja. The first one had hair that looked like the adult Bigfoot, and the second one had hair that resembled the second baby Bigfoot. Later, Derek Randles and others raked me over the coals for “inaccurate reporting,” and I backed away from that version, settling on only one steak from the adult.
However, my new source in Texas who seen a number of photos from the Sierra Kills (but does not have any personal copies), tells me that he has seen two separate steaks depicted in the photos. One has hair that looks like the adult – auburn with dark brown and some grey, and the other definitely has hair that looks like the juvenile – dark brown. This source thinks that a piece or pieces was cut off the baby Bigfoot too, possibly on the same day it was killed.
I have long suspected that this may be the case; nevertheless, it remains to be proven. And it is interesting that it lines up with my original version of the story, which over time, amazingly, is coming more and more true somehow.
Quite a few Bigfoot steak pics out there. More than two photos of the Bigfoot steak(s) were shot. It is said that there are numerous photos that have been shot of the tissue sample(s).
Date by which the Ketchum study will definitely be released. I was finally able to gather a date by which the study will for sure be released. If it’s not released by that date, forget it. Something went wrong. That date would be the end of April and the beginning of May. So for sure the study will be out in at most nine weeks. If it isn’t, something has gone badly wrong.
Dr. Melba Ketchum sets up a page specifically for her Bigfoot DNA project. Here is the page. Much of the material is being written by Sally Ramey, Ketchum’s publicist.
There is a lot of nonsense on there about people (me) publishing leaks that threatened the study, but that’s all nonsense. The only leaks that could have threatened the study would have had to have come from the authors themselves, and they never leaked to me. If journalists find out about a study on their own and break the Ingelfinger Rule by publishing results, there’s no harm done. That’s called getting a scoop – good journalism. As long as the study author didn’t leak to me, there’s no problem.
Let’s think this over. Suppose I leak some partial results from the study. The Ingelfinger Rule was put in place to protect the profits of journals. According to nutty Ingelfinger Rule reasoning, if I leak partial results from Ketchum’s study, no one is going to buy the journal with the actual article in it because they already know the results. Crazy or what? On the contrary, if I leak some partial results, even more people than ever are going to buy the journal issue when it finally comes out! Right? Come on now.
Who is Sally Ramey? Sally Ramey, Ketchum’s publicist, lives in the rural southeast of the US, so she’s a typical Bigfooter in a lot of respects. She has long been in deep with Janice Carter Coy, and for a while, she lived at the Carter Farm in Tennessee. People are using this to put her down, but this doesn’t bother me. I regard the Janice Carter story as a true story at least in part.
Ketchum says she is seeing Bigfoots regularly at a property she leases. She probably should not have said that, as it ought to be pretty easy to find out what property she is renting. The property is somewhere in the four state area surrounding her home – Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana. She’s not saying which state, and she is keeping the site a closely guarded secret.
I don’t understand what’s going on here. Ketchum must have found out about an ongoing Bigfoot habituation somewhere in the 4 state region and then either leased out the habituation site or leased a site very close to it.
I had previously speculated that Ketchum was seeing Bigfoots at Arla Williams’ place in the Honobia, Oklahoma region. But this would mean that she is either leasing some of Arla’s property or she is leasing property near Arla’s. If that’s not the case, then maybe she isn’t seeing Bigfoots at Arla’s after all. Maybe she is seeing them at a completely different location. At this point, it is all up in the air, and I really don’t know where Ketchum is seeing the Bigfoots regularly.
Major effort underway to thwart the Stubstad parallel DNA study. A major player in Bigfootery is engaging in a conspiracy to thwart the Stubstad parallel DNA study out of Europe. Unfortunately, I can’t tell you who the folks are who are trying to thwart it, but if you’re smart, maybe you can figure it out! What does this involve? There are excellent purported Bigfoot specimens that Stubstad needs, and they are being held by certain parties and not forwarded to him on instructions from the conspirators. Bigfootery is a dirty game!
Robert Lindsay proven right again. As you can see, Sasquatch the Quest is back online again. I told readers a few months ago when Adrian Erickson took his site down that the Erickson Project was definitely not over at all, and that the movie for sure would be released. I took a lot of heat from that from idiots who said that meant the EP had pulled up stakes.
But as I predicted, the EP site went back online recently, replete with a whole set of warnings. By the way, I am quite sure that all of those threats are not from Erickson himself. I strongly believe that those are the work of another person, who shall remain nameless, but if you’re smart maybe you can figure it out.
A drawing of Matilda from the Crittenden habituation site on the Erickson Project’s site? If you go to the EP’s site, you will see a drawing of a Bigfoot that something like a Wookie. We have been told over and over by the EP that the drawing is just impressionistic and is not intended to be a drawing of an actual Bigfoot. However, the file is titled “Matilda.” Matilda was the young female Bigfoot at the Crittenden site who will star in Erickson’s new video.
The person who drew the drawing is an artist who works with Erickson. A good guess is that this woman saw Erickson’s video and then drew the picture of Matilda based on the video she saw of Matilda in the movie. So it’s a good guess that Matilda actually looks something like that, but we won’t find out until the movie is released.
Wally Hersom may be funding the Erickson Project video in Hollywood. I told you earlier that Erickson showed his movie to a very rich man who is big in the Bigfoot world. I didn’t give his name, but some people said that can only be Wally Hersom. I agree that it was probably him.
Hersom saw the video of the huge male at the Crittenden property and said there was no way that that could be faked. Right around the same time, Erickson shows up in Hollywood, obviously with a huge wad of cash, and right away he has a Hollywood studio working on his video.
Problem is that all good information about Erickson tells us that Erickson is so broke that he is near bankruptcy. So how did he suddenly become flush enough to run around Hollywood throwing around big cash? He must have received a large investment from Hersom to take the movie down to Hollywood and fix it up. That’s the only conclusion that makes any sense.
Are the Bigfoots Homo Heidelbergensis? According to some very interesting articles by David Claerr, who is doing some excellent research, Bigfoots could be surviving remnants of Homo Heidelbergensis. Heidelbergensis is known from various fossils, including the Kabwe Man fossil in southern Africa, which may be as young as 30,000 years old. Dr. Jeff Meldrum suspects that a Heidelbergensis fossil was found in China recently that dates back to only ~12,000 YBP.
What is Heidelbergensis? Heidelbergensis is nothing but Homo Erectus transitioning to Homo sapiens. Erectus appears ~1.8 million (years before present) YBP in Africa and quickly spreads all over the globe. These species interbreed with each other over time and gradually grow more modern, heading towards what later ended up as Sapiens – Neandertal – Denisova (the more modern hominins). After 1 million YBP, Denisova and later Neandertal probably start to breed with remaining Erectus, making them even more Sapiens like.
At some point, around 500,000 YBP, Heidelbergensis appears, which is simply Erectus evolving and breeding in with more modern types and growing more Sapiens like. It’s best described as late Erectus transitioning to early archaic Sapiens. Heidelbergensis then survives until possibly as late as 12,000 YBP. The Bigfoots appear to be a result of very late Heidelbergensis (Kabwe Man type) breeding in with very modern Homo sapiens sapiens (us), resulting in an even more modern and up to date derived late Erectus type trending even more towards Sapiens.
Keep in mind that there is a huge debate about the Homo types and whether they actually represent separate species. It’s been thought for a while now that Sapiens could breed with Erectus, and possibly quite a few other Homos have been breeding in with each other for a long time now.
The number of pure species in the Homo line that did not hybridize with other Homos may be as low as 3-4 types or less. If we see the various Homos breeding in with each other at a pretty regular rate down through millions of years, the tree of human evolution starts to get a lot messier. But I think that is the reality of the situation.
Fight between Mike Greene and the BFRO. Mike Greene is a standup Bigfooter with two college degrees and a career in law enforcement, investigations and counseling. He also worked for a bit as college professor. He holds a BA in English Literature and an MA in Psychology. He filmed the famous Squeaky video of the Bigfoot coming at night to get the Zagnut bar. The video was taped using night vision. It appears to be real, and Greene is above hoaxing.
Greene vs. BFRO – Don Young controversy. A controversy erupted in late December over the BFRO’s funding of the defense team for someone on Wally Hersom’s payroll, another Wisconsin investigator named Don Young. Young shot the famous photo of Big Phil in 2007 with a trailcam. The photo now hangs in Hersom’s house. The best analysis of the photo is that it is apparently a hoax.
Young also told a couple of other tall tales. He says a Bigfoot chased him until he ran up a tree. He used some sort of toolbelt to strap himself to the tree. However, the belt he used cannot fit around a tree.
In addition, a Bigfoot expedition went out to Young’s property, and Young promptly showed them fresh Bigfoot sign. A source who was there described it as a “Bigfoot miniature golf course,” obviously hoaxed. People asked Young some probing questions about the hoaxed site, but he started giving one answer after the other, changing his story multiple times.
Somehow, Hersom was convinced to pay an undisclosed amount of money to Young for the apparently hoaxed Big Phil photo. Then BFRO persons, including Matt Moneymaker, began selling Young to Hersom as a researcher and asking to have him funded. Young cuts wood for a living and makes a low income, so he always needs money. Hersom agreed to buy Young certain things for his research and possibly included a small monthly stipend in addition.
At some point, Young was accused by his 14 year old live-in stepdaughter of giving her marijuana and having sex with her on an undisclosed number of occasions. This is a very hard charge to defend yourself against. Young argued that the girl made up the story because he threw her out of the house, which sounds cruel except that she had a couple of other places to go right in town.
A visitor to Young’s house described it as a total pig sty. The carpet was all torn up and thrown up against the wall. Apparently it had been ruined by something (dogs – see below). The wooden floorboard was visible underneath, and this served as the floor. However, almost every inch of the floor all through the house was covered with dog crap from his many dogs. Matt Moneymaker went into the house to defecate, but was so grossed out by the dog crap that he went out and did it in the woods instead.
Although it is difficult to defend yourself against a charge such as the stepdaughter leveled, a careful investigation of the charges indicates that they may well be true, especially given that Young seems to be a shady and sleazy character. At any rate, he pled guilty to charges of sexual enticement of the stepdaughter and giving her marijuana. For this, he is serving an incredible 7 year term!
Hersom and Moneymaker had been funding Young’s defense and insisting he was innocent. Greene begged to differ and said so. He was promptly thrown out of the BFRO by Matt.
Now Moneymaker’s minions are going around saying that Greene is a former speed freak from back in the 1980′s. I do not believe that these charges are correct. Whatever Greene has been, he has never been a speed freak.
Greene vs. BFRO – fight over Squeaky video. There is also a fight over Greene’s video. Matt’s crowd says Greene was ripping people off for the video by charging $2 to view it, but Greene says that the BFRO originally wanted to charge $4-5 to see the video, and it was Greene who suggested the lower price.
Greene and the BFRO signed a contract stating that the BFRO would host no more than 15 seconds of the video for free as a teaser. Instead, they hosted a full 2 minutes of the video. As a result, Greene received only 2,000 hits for his full video, while the shorter version at the BFRO got 90,000 hits. Greene is suing the BFRO for violation of contract and for the money he missed out from 90,000 hits = $180,000. Looks like more BFRO sleaziness to me. What else is new?
Matt Moneymaker filing for bankruptcy. Matt’s been making a lot of money over the years. Wally Hersom funded him for 3-4 years at a very high salary of $31,000/month or $372,000/yr. Widespread rumors say that most of that money went for Matt’s fancy vacations and his rumored drug habit (possibly a cocaine habit). Now that Matt is on Finding Bigfoot, he reportedly makes $100,000/yr in his starring role. This is in addition to whatever money he makes off BFRO expeditions.
Critics also accuse Matt of pocketing a lot of the donation money that comes in to the BFRO for his vacations and habit. So it looks like Matt has been making quite a bit of money for some time now.
Yet somehow, in spite of the huge cash flow, Matt is bankrupt. His father, an attorney, filed the papers just last week in court. Where did all the money go? Vacations? Drug habit?
The dossier against Matt Moneymaker. Matt has quite a few enemies, and a number of them have been talking to me. This includes a member of the BFRO, who related to me what most BFRO members think of him (not much).
Here are the charges:
Matt is an embarrassment to the field, and he is ruining Bigfootery, especially with his stupid show Finding Bigfoot where he says the dumbest things. He makes Bigfooters look like complete idiots, and it’s embarrassing.
Matt has discovered few things on his own. He knows little about Bigfoots and even less about animals in general. He doesn’t know what he is doing in the woods. He has ridden the coattails of other researchers and has tried to piggyback on their findings. For instance, he has tried to claim that he invented tree knocking and sound blasting. These assertions are dubious at best.
If you go to the BFRO forums and mention the good work of any non-BFRO researcher, your post is immediately deleted. Posts about Ketchum and Erickson receive snarky comments from moderators, and threads are then locked or deleted.
Matt has not contributed one red cent to this field. People think he has because he created the BFRO, but he hasn’t gathered any of the evidence. Matt doesn’t even go into the woods except for expeditions and his show.
Instead he sits back and collects membership fees, donations and expedition charges and spends it on his rumored drug habit or his vacations. Over the years, many BFRO members have confronted Matt about what they feel is misuse of BFRO funds and also over his drug habit. They then either quit, or if not, they were thrown out immediately and told to shut up. BFRO members collect the data and he sits in his office and takes credit for all of it.
Most BFRO members who deal with Matt are used to all of this, but they don’t dare challenge him on any of it. They stay in the group because it is the largest Bigfoot group out there, it has collected a lot of good data, there are a lot of good people in the group, and there are few if any other groups which are open to just about anyone.
Most of the above BFRO members avoid Matt at all costs and don’t really think of him as their president. They make their own plans and trips and only share information with him in the form of what goes up on the website.
But as soon as anyone collects anything good like video, audio or photos, Matt immediately demands that members hand it over to the BFRO (him). If they don’t, Matt threatens to litigate the matter, because according to Matt (on apparently dubious legal grounds) if you are a member of the BFRO, any data you collect as a member belongs to the organization and not to you. And according to Matt, the BFRO and Matt Moneymaker are the same thing.
Wow! Quite a list of charges! I will present this as one side of the Matt Moneymaker story – the story told by his enemies. It is quite possible that his friends may tell a quite different story. However, I do believe that most of the above is factual, as I’ve heard it from enough people by now.
How much does Bobo make for Finding Bigfoot? I just told you that Matt makes $100,000/yr on the show, but how much does Bobo make? Bobo has been making $60,000/yr on the show.
Bobo quitting Finding Bigfoot? Bobo is reportedly disgusted with the show, and the rumors say that he is not happy with Moneymaker at all, but who is? For a variety of reasons, Bobo is said to have quit the show. At what point he will no longer appear on the show, I do not know.
Tyler Bounds episode on Finding Bigfoot. A recent episode of Finding Bigfoot featured Tyler Bounds of the BFRO who claimed that a Bigfoot ran across a road late at night and hit his 4WD, denting it. On the Finding Bigfoot show about the incident, the producers made only the most cursory attempts to find DNA from the dented car.
Cliff Barackman was quoted saying that he was disgusted at the half assed and piss poor way that the car was examined for evidence. Barackman said that if there was any evidence on the car, the people on the show sure didn’t find it.
Cliff said that this proved that the show had nothing whatsoever to do with actually finding Bigfoot. Instead, it’s just cheap entertainment. Further, any possible Bigfoot biological data or other sign gathered by the team on the show is automatically the property of the producers of the show, who you can be assured will do next to nothing with it.
Lloyd Pye’s insane Intervention Theory and Bigfoot. Lloyd Pye is the man who found the famous Starchild Skull, which he claims is from an alien. He has recently run minor DNA tests on the skull, with the results showing that it is some sort of a nonhuman hominid. Skeptics say the skull has hydroencephalus. However, if it is merely hydroencephalic, it should not show widely divergent non-human DNA.
Pye posits a theory called Intervention Theory (IT). This holds that humans did not evolve on Earth on apes in a straight line. Instead, at some point, aliens landed and messed with our DNA, jump-starting us into Homo sapiens sapiens.
Pretty soon we were wearing 3-piece suits, sporting metrosexual haircuts and strolling the skylined streets of Manhattan. IT proponents say that the transition from ape-man (archaic Homo) to the skyscraper building, Java-coding metrosexual above happened far too fast to be plausible. The only way we could have become the postmodernists we are is via alien intervention.
Hence, Pye rejects standard evolutionary theory. Since Christian fundamentalists also reject UFO’s and ET’s as heresy as most orthodox religions do (but the Vatican has recently said that ET’s are compatible with Catholicism), it should be surprising that so many fundamentalists believe in UFO’s and ET’s, but boy do they!
Your typical UFO nut is a White, rightwing, Fox News watching redneck hillbilly fundamentalist from rural America. It’s always Billy Bob and Betty Jo that done seen a UFO over that thar hill. For some reason, UFO’s never land on Manhattan where art gallery patrons on the Upper East Side can take them in.
And so it is in Bigfootery. The more nutty, backwoods and fundamentalist you are, the more you hate evolution. If you don’t believe in evolution, how can you believe in the Bigfoots?
Well, thankfully, you have a couple of options. You can either believe that Bigfoots are humans, I mean Homo sapiens sapiens, like the Forest People group of Facebook believe, or you can believe that Bigfoots came from aliens.
The latter is perfect for David Paulides, a fundamentalist (Mormon) and the many others like him who doesn’t believe in evolution. No evolution, no problem! Aliens did it. We are not apes, indeed!
The Forest People crowd is similar. God created Bigfoots too, at the same time as he created us. Why he made these things I have no idea. Maybe to scare us? There was no evolution. The Bigfoot folks are just a tad different, shun civilization and run around in the woods with no clothes on like Druids. Plus they grew hair all over themselves.
Bigfoot kooks, cranks and disturbed nuts everywhere you look. For some reason, I have rattled the hornet’s nest of mentally “off” cranks that constitute a huge percentage of Bigfooters. I received threats of libel lawsuits on a regular basis. I recently received an email in which someone claimed to have looked up and found my physical address. The suggestion was, “We know where you live.” I received a threat of physical violence and a death threat.
Just today, a link was sent in to the site as a comment to be published on one of my Bigfoot threads. I clicked the link, and it tried to install 5-6 viruses on my system. So people are sending viruses to the site hoping I will publish them and my readers will click on them, thereby infecting their system.
Good God, these people are insane.
I assume we will move much more towards discovery soon. As that happens, do you think the lunatics, nutcases, cranks and kooks can be isolated somehow so we can get some more professional types in on this fascinating subject? Professionals are generally not given to Internet trollery and working fulltime as menacing cranks. They have careers and better things to do.
Melissa Hovey – another Bigfooter kook. This person started a big fight with me on Facebook, which I mistakenly joined. Supposedly it’s all about me “jeopardizing the Ketchum DNA study with leaks.” LOL, yeah that’s right kiddo. She runs an unimportant Bigfoot research group out of the Texas area, and her blog is full of meaningless drivel, often 2-3 pages of attacks on whoever she is fighting with at the moment. Just another typical useless, kooky Bigfooter crank. Best ignored.
Who is Thom Cantrall and why is he bothering me? Thom Cantrall launched into a wild attack on me on a Facebook page, calling me the “biggest liar in the world.” I don’t know this guy from Adam. Who is he, and what is his major problem? Sounds like another kooky Bigfooter crank to me.
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Some interesting apparent developments. I wonder who drafted all the legal documents for BFRO, like the liability releases and expeditions stuff, confidentiality ageements and so on?
If it is true Matt threatens to litigate other members, they should consider what his role was. He held himself out as an attorney for almost a decade (not so subtly either – see articles still on his website stating such – Denver Post 2000, or National Geo 2003/5). If he drafted the documents or advised anyone as to what these documents meant, then he may have stepped into the realm of the “unauthorized practice of law.” It’s actually a criminal offense (as is “holding one’s self out as an attorney” and that means licensed) but, it does require someone complaining to the California DA (or if “counseled” in another jurisdiction, that DA).
Today Animal Planet’s bio only claims he “attended” law school, and no mention of past attorney practice. It seems from your report Robert most blew him off on his threats? . I hope So. I hope guys like Wally weren’t snookered on that level. Not good to hear so much about him actually and from that read doubt he needs any more troubles?.
This revelation actually came about for me just recently. It seems many have know this for several years and it is considered old news. If it weren’t for this stuff you write Robert I would have no idea what was going on with this very opaque BF crowd. Not that I can see any benefit from knowing actually, it depresses me…
Except when I see what sounds like some serious stuff happening re: DNA…or not. I am confused and hearing April/May….LOL that’s the “Native Peoples” conference date posted four months ago….yuk,
Did like hearing about the non-profit (well if transparent) Dr. K is said to be forming for protective status.
So Bigfootery, it is a verb and noun.
and of course adjective.
I did not mean “yuk” to such a conference, but “yuk” in that may signal a confernce presentation rather than publication, or at the least a wait. Any thoughts on Science as the venue given the Feb 2012 article by reported co-author?
Saw the Game trail picture tonight. As much as I am a Bigfoot hopeful, and although it does looks like a bigfoot, It could easily be a ghillie suit.
There is little muscle structure, not much of a buttocks and we will never be able to gauge its size, because we can’t tell where the feet connect to the ground. I feel that there are some artifacts and characteristics in the picture that are closer related to textiles as oppose to skin. I do think it deserves a full investigation and thorough public debate. I will also mention that some Bigfoot witnesses find the picture compelling.
Robert, love your stuff! Watching Moneymaker on cable confirms these stories. He’s acting, talking and looking like a walking lab, and I don’t mean a DNA one!!
You got Hovey right, too. Drivel is too good a word for that stuff.
As far as Ketchum is concerned, I think that situation is starting to creak and groan like a tree house in a high wind. Do you get any hint that her paper has been turned down more than once? Anyway, I think she is on the schedule for a conference in the PacNW around the 4th of May with her “partner”, Mr. Paulides. If she doesn’t back out again. If she does back out again, I’d be gettin the crops in while the weather’s still good, if you know what I mean. Fool me twice, shame on you, fool me three times, shame on me. Sounds like Paulides must be your anti-Stubstad guy. I’m startin’ to read between the lines pretty good, right?
Gertie
Thank you Gertie!
Thom Cantrall lmao yeah he is one of Arla’s friends and the author of GhostsofRubyRidge. He has a bigfoot “teacher” I dont know if you have heard of that bs.kooky Bigfooter crank yeah hit the nail on the head.
Haha – there is only one review of his book on amazon, and he wrote that review himself! Then, get’s called out on it!
You can’t make this stuff up, really.
kooks,cranks and nuts. Oh my!.Y’all do have a knack for getting the great unwashed torqued.
Facebook ? wtf were ya thinking ? It’s a cia tool to keep track of the sheep. were ya hoping to be “friends” with Melba ?
Seriously, you are the best read on the interwebs right now. keep on keepin on kemosabe.
Thanks, E2ME!
Wheeee! What a lovely treat this post is: thank you, Robert, for doing a thorough and delightful job of reporting. I had given up trying to find news about the Bigfoot creatures and don’t even remember now how I found your blog. I appreciate this fountain of information.
The shenanigans from the “bigfoot community” don’t surprise me. I saw similar insane actions from my ex-husband’s church people when I decided to stop wasting my time with them. They break laws until something frightens them. If you haven’t done so already, please report the threats to Federal law enforcement? If the taxpayers’ lawmen will rush to rescue Sarah Palin’s lawyer, they they can certainly pay attention when a blogger/journalist is threatened!
Thank you grammy!
I understand that the idea that someone you do not know has your address can be disturbing. But surprisingly, it is not very difficult to find out where people live. (Robert, I did NOT threaten you nor do I know where you live) My 17 year old step-son found out EVERY address that I ever lived at in a matter of 5 minutes. I found this shocking, so I asked him to find a buddy of mine from high school and he had 4 addresses for him in less than 5 minutes. I contacted my long lost friend, and my step-son was SPOT ON! So, my point is, dont take all threats so seriously. That being said, I CARRY A LARGE GUN WITH ME JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE I GO! LOL
I looked at melba Ketchums’ FB page and it states that sometimes it may take years for the resluts to come out about a scientific discovery especially if it is a “weird” topic. GREAT, maybe I will be able to read the findings before I am on Social Security. LOL….. I understand that the release of studys’ can take time, but crap! I also noticed that her PR representative stated that NBC generally reports the scientific discoveries before anybody else. Robert, do you think that this was a hint that NBC would be “breaking” the news discovery? I also noticed that there were a few jabs at people that report leaked information (you). LOL
It will be out in no more than nine weeks for sure, probably a lot earlier. If it’s not out in nine weeks, something has gone terribly wrong and we may well just hang it up as far as this study goes.
My leaks have not jeopardized the study in any way, shape or form. Sure, they don’t like them, but I’m not endangering anything.
as far as the virus comment in your post, don’t take it personally. Any blog that gets traffic is targeted and the problem is world wide, has nothing to do with your subject matter, and is just business as usual with virus writers. They have to spread their malware, and a blog comment posting with URLs embedded is perfect for it. So, not a personal attack.
Thanks for the post Robert!
YW Tom!
wuz just over reading the comments @ BE. yowza , you got some fans there. I would engage , but it would just seem a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
However, whatcha think of the rumor of the 85k hoax machine ?
stuff just seems to get crazier….
A little bit more on embargoes.
PNAS–embargoed for Mondays.
JAMA–embargoed for Tuesdays.
Nature–embargoed for Wednesdays
Science (AAAS)–embargoed for Thursdays.
And so on.
Contrary to the Ketchum PR Facebook site, it cannot be stated that articles as a rule are embargoed for Fridays. Indeed, one can say that the current trend (as many journals are going away from paper publications exclusively, and going more to the electronic medium for readership access) is that scientific journals are moving towards “continuous publication”–as in, publishing (and embargoing) on any day of the work week.
Now, I still stand by what I said earlier. If we are to speculate, the two most likely candidates are Science (AAAS), and AJPA (American Journal of Physical Anthropology).
AJPA seems to be in the mix because
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But let me complete my thought. AJPA seems to be in the mix because of the types of interesting articles they publish (Willey).
See this URL link: http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-397743,view-journal,journalCd-AJPA.html
They publish articles linked to both prehistory and unknown aspects of “modern era” history as well. Note the titles including “Did a Native American Sail to Europe with the VIkings?”
So if Ketchum does have indeed a bonafide paper with a bonafide “go for publication” from a reputable, refereed scientific journal, it may be well worth waiting for.
But like I said, I’m an agnostic. I don’t believe that the Patterson film is of a real creature unknown to science. To me, it’s a filmed hoax. That doesn’t mean that Sasquatches don’t exist, but it means that that specific film isn’t of one.
My two cents.
I don’t believe AJPA has an embargo policy. I asked the editors a few weeks ago, and IIRC say they don’t embargo. My money’s on Science.
I should mention this as well.
Just saw this on Yahoo. And it shows how Human Beings can have interesting physical characteristics, all courtesy of DNA and population pressures.
BLue skinned humans.
http://gma.yahoo.com/fugates-kentucky-skin-bluer-lake-louise-200247843–abc-news.html
Isn’t Matt Moneymaker’s last name different from “Moneymaker?” Didn’t he take the Moneymaker name and drop what he was born with? I think I read that somewhere. I dunno….just seems like an odd name that just happens to be attached to someone who is, well, kinda obsessed with making money, and not really working!
I thought it was a penname as well. Nope, it’s his name. Fits I guess.
Nope it is his real name, believe it or not.
Hello from me (Sweetsusiq) to you ( my Silver Fox)… By any chance do you have any info about this Thursday, or the first of March being the BF revealing date?
Where should I hang out so that I don’t miss it?
As I think you know I’ve been living and breathing BF being revealed for a long time, and just in case you have not heard, I actually **saw** a BF in the Davy Crockett National Forest.. It scared me half to death, so I now really respect even more how courageous our BF hunters and researchers really are! Yikes Twice, These creatures are huge and scary looking in my opinion.
Thanks for keeping us informed..
Don’t know about the Thursday date for the photo, and don’t know about the late February date for the paper release either. The Ketchum camp gave that late February date, but they were probably just guessing.
Thank you Robert..Hopefully you will know as soon as it happens.I keep *living* here so that I don’t miss anything!
I believe that you will hear about the release as soon as it happens so I’m hanging my hat here, and at Melba’s Facebook page.
Am I involved or what? grin Since I’m living on line until the revealing I’ll be seeing a lot of you and your topics..
I just told my hubby who is an M.D. Pathologist, and works with DNA results about who may be publishing the evidence.
He has been “poo- pooing” the entire study until I just told him that the BF results could be published in Science.
Hubby actually stated:” It’s going to be published by Science?” “If so, I’ll read it”. Rolling my eyes here, I’ve been telling him for years that they exist, and he has categorically denied their existence and has refused to even read the evidence when released until he heard that Science may be publishing the results!
I so hope that you are correct Robert about Science publishing it because I’m really looking forward to saying”I told you so” to hubby!
I do not know if it is being published in Science Magazine at all. AFAICT, there is no evidence at all for that rumor.
One last question(I hope).
Robert, Do you know how the BF films will be released?
Will they be a pay-per-view TV deal, or shown in theaters as the PGF originally was shown?
Living in a small town I wonder if I will have to travel to see the BF film evidence?
Is there any chance that the films will be shown on TV, and if so, how can we be sure not to miss them?
I appreciate that you can safely share this info so that we, the general public, can know what is happening and where to look to locate the results.
As long as the study is not compromised, I appreciate your efforts to share news with us to help us survive until the study is officially released .
No, no idea at all when or how they will be released, sorry. Looks like a DVD maybe.
Moneymaker might learn from this tragic malfeasance:
Destination Truth/Amazing Race producer dies of overdose.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/1332600/-/b08kttz/-/
Gertrude,
The stories that I read stated that he and two others were poisoned. I dont thaink that they overdosed.
Well, after some more digging, I may be incorrect. I was just referring to what I read earlier today. Sorry Gertrude!
They OD’d.
Cheers friend, Keep up the great work and damn the loonies! There are so few who understand the importance of true journalism and I’m glad someone’s keeping the flame alive.
Thank you very much Armondo!
Another discovery by ME — a new thread.
No, my understanding is that “Moneymaker” is not his real last name, although he probably changed it, legally, at some point to what it is now. I don’t recall where I read this, but I’m pretty sure I’m right.
You are right, Paulides was all over my case when I opened up the Website “www.ScienceAliveNews.com”. He sent me a personal email that was to say the least “scathing”. I offered to speak to him over the phone, but he refused, he was so angry. Maybe he is angry.
I fail to see why the Ketchum camp would be worried about a parallel study anyway? They will need all the help they can get — trust me on that one. Even WITH a body.
I still don’t believe that the Sasquatch drawing on the Erickson site is “real”; in fact, I believe it is intended to NOT depict anything real. It sure doesn’t look anything like any video or photographic evidence I’ve seen.
My health — not good. I was taken to the ER on Sunday, and spent the next 48 hrs in the ICU. I’m out now, but health-wise the overall situation does not look good.
Richard
Not sure where you got that, but his parents have the same surname, in interviews he says it is his given name, and he does use it as his legal name. I have read he doesn’t have a J.D. by someone a little pissed off in the past who researched it. I don’t know on the J.D.- I wrote and asked and received no reply
. That was 5 weeks ago, and since apparently he has filed bankruptsy an I am becoming cynical about Bfers, and I am wondering now if Pop isn’t finding a way to set aside assets? This all makes me lean towar no JD even, which means I don’t beleive him. Gee, and I so want to ..and did on the lawyer thing….which is what I meant Robert about what good it does me to know this stuff….my un-success with BFers I took personally, and now see it is pretty much their problem, that’s the depressing part. The good part? Well, the knowledge does empower us, so thank you!
So sorry to hear the difficulty for you now Richard. I think ofyou more often than you might guess because of what you are facing. They are good thoughts and I am pleased that you took the time to reach out to me. Thank you so much.
Richard, I am so very sorry to hear about all of your health issues.
I don’t know exactly what the issues are that you are dealing with, but you will be in my thoughts and my prayers.
Some days it seems the only reason I get up early is to check the news for BF info, so I hope that the upcoming revelations will give you a reason to hang in and stay around for all of the excitement. You have devoted years of your life to this cause, so you need to be here when it is proven that you were correct, and that the BF species is real.
Love and positive thoughts being sent your way..
Richard, I am so very sorry to hear about all of your health issues.
I don’t know exactly what the issues are that you are dealing with, but you will be in my thoughts and my prayers.
Some days it seems the only reason I get up early is to check the news for BF info, so I hope that the upcoming revelations will give you a reason to hang in and stay around for all of the excitement. You have devoted years of your life to this cause, so you need to be here when it is proven that you were correct, and that the BF species is real.
Love and positive thoughts being sent your way..
I think there was an interview or similar on Bigfoot Evidence from moneymaker explaining the change to his surname.
Scott
I don’t know if I can take him apart, sorry. But it seems that there is no evidence for his assertions. That right there seems to be the main problem.
Great update… It has it all. What a soap opera!
About LLoyd Pye though… I have a real problem here. I don’t care much about the Starchild Skull although it’s interesting.
Intervention theory is going to seem absurd to a modern science indoctrinee, but if you just wipe scientific “opinions” away and look at the data, it seems to be pretty coherent.
Pye has been in the homo camp since Paulides was a child. His shit needs to be looked at. Please shred it piece by piece. I emailed you asking about this, a while ago, because I personally need someone to shred it for me. Piece by piece. No character analysis of Pye, please. Just shred his work for me. Please!…
From Prokaryotes and Archaea appearing almost simultaneously, to all the other mass appearance events… modern science is still telling us it’s selection of mutations, but it doesn’t fit those events and speciation events at other times are typically very difficult to substantiate. I think they do happen and evolution had to happen somewhere (Pye says this too). It’s just that the data (punk eke), better supports most of it happening elsewhere.
I read a lot of things here. A lot of good information and especially the exchanges between you and Richard on DNA, evolution, hybridization and human origins. Over and over I read things here that support Pye… That much of evolution is hybridization and other things. I used to be indifferent as to what the truth was, as long as we can agree on it. When I read Pye’s stuff, that changed. I don’t want it to be true, because I think it will be devastating to our society to be wrong about such a fundamental thing. Hiding something like this is why we have conspiracies.
I keep googling “Lloyd Pye debunked”, and no one’s got squat.
Robert… Lloyd Pye is your test. Everything you’ve read and looked at and thought, has led you to this. Everything I’ve ever done has led me to telling you this. This is your destiny…
Robert Lindsay vs. Lloyd Pye
I’m seriously not kidding
Piece by piece. I beg you. please
@Steve Byrne; there is no provenance for that ‘Star Child’ skull. There’s a charming little story about a teenager playing in caves. I’m sorry: any activity that can be classified as scientific demands better than that. I am not familiar with Lloyd Pye’s theories, but that skull can not be used for the scientific basis of anything at all. No acceptable artifact shows up without witnesses. And I hope Robert won’t be distracted to spend time “debunking” Pye’s theories. Theories are just that, theories. In time, enough reliable data will show up to verify which one is closest to reality.
personal to grammy97! LOL sometime around 1980 I went to see a crystal skull discovered by a child in SA. I knew of it only via archeology references (my hobby prehistory and the Hohokam connection to Mesoamerica). I was confused by the Bohemian types in line, and when I got to the skull (and the lovely quiet woman of perhaps 65 seated behind it) I eyed it as I did all the artifacts. Touch important to me and this stupid forward adult/kid stuck their finger in the eye socket (in my defense there was no sign “don’t touch” and it was so smooth and inviting).
In the gentlest of British accents and soft voice she told me I shouldn’t do that. Our eyes locked and the sparkle in hers friendly, she knew the attraction, and for a moment we were two 10 year olds with a secret! Looking around on the table I noticed many crystals, some tied to feathers or leather stips. What are these I asked. She, still with the merriest eyes, nodded toward the long hair and dresses and stated, “they are charging their magic crystals.” I smiled, she smiled, we both shrugged and then discussed briefly the day of her discovery. The skull impressed me, it was beautiful actually.
That exchangeleft me with the belief it was a genuine find, but misdirected into well, the same thing Bf evidence gets misdirected to I guess?
Was it, is it? I don’t know.. but that small exchange is a fond memory.
Salude, apehuman. Thank you for sharing this lovely interlude.
Cheers Steve! Mind if I give it a go? How about — Pye-in-the-skye . . ? Remember Daniel Dennett cautioning us against specious reasoning, ” . . . that it takes a great big fancy thing to make a lesser thing.” Pye was absent that day. Cheers!
Richard, many people are grateful for your contributions to this field, you’ve been enormously helpful.
Don’t let Paulides get your goat, he tangles with just about everyone; imho has anger management problems and a bad reputation for backdoor emailing people who get in his way. He’s nobody. Paulides feels he’s owed recognition and claims he provided Ketchum with Wally Hersom’s backing and he claims he is responsible for making the call for BF evidence to be sent to Ketchum’s lab during the Coast to Coast radio show.
Apparently what he’s doing is holding Ketchum hostage to the things “he feels he did for her.” He comes off thinking she owes him because he did those basic two things for Ketchum. If she’s smart, she’ll recognize him for what he’s doing and just let him think he’s her savior. Paulides has a book waiting for her paper to be release so in essence he is trying to ride her publicity train and in the end gain book royalties off her work. There are adjectives for what he’s doing. Ketchum is clueless to this guy’s tactics.
Sonny, Paulides says his book is coming out in April.
plus, rumor has it that they are “involved.” Anything to that rumor?
Yes, apparently that’s some sort of a couple from what I hear. I don’t write about that on the blog though.
Robert, you are the best! muah!
Thank you Shawn!
Forget the stupid skulls and their stupid non-human DNA and I don’t care whose theory it is, or what anyone thinks of him.
I simply request a piece by piece dismantling of Intervention Theory itself.
I’d be amazed if anyone here could read his books and not see the logic. That’s why it bothers me.
piece by piece… start anywhere you like or your expertise allows
any piece at all… just one for now and then we can move on…
Thank You,
This line of questioning or debunking the intervention theory is misguided in my opinion.
The facts are these:
Lloyd Pye has this skull which is not a fake; it has DNA and plenty of it. From Day 1 Pye has been an interventionist theory proponent.
The DNA sequencing Pye has had done shows it to be quite a lot more separated from modern human mito DNA than even the Densiovan. But not even “half way” towards a chimp–far from it.
Without the actual DNA sequencing Pye has it is impossible to guess whether his interventionist theory or the hominid “hybridization” theories where hominids all originated on earth is most likely. No actual data, no objective analysis can be done.
So no one has a clue — maybe not even Pye himself.
However, carrying Pye’s “starchild” skull a step further and applying his theory to something that is also substantially different on the mito side from modern humans we DO have the actual sequencing of the Densiovan bones.
These reveal an early connection both between Neanderthal on the one hand and Melanesians on the modern human side as well. It is difficult to imagine anything other than natural evolution of all these hominids, including modern humans, for the last one million years and then some.
That is, unless we are all “interventionist” progeny — including even the great apes. If you read all the excellent articles by the Max Planck Institute and others, there is no “missing link” and there IS a connection as well as interbreeding at some point between all of our archaic predecessors.
This does NOT mean that the starchild skull may reveal something other worldly. If it does, then, we have to see the data, and not just Lloyd Pye’s conjecture. Whether other worldly or otherwise, the data is very important because it is at least indicative of yet another hominid besides those we know.
Send the bloody skull over to the Max Planck Institute and they will figure it out without reading something into the data that may not be there. If it’s there, they will figure it out. If it isn’t there, it’s an exciting new hominid which is a discovery beyond belief all on its own — even without an interventionist theory.
Richard
No post from Robert , means he’s digging…
Oh yes!
@grammy97, that is straight out of scofftic 101. You don’t even know what the theory is and you commented to me? That’s… like metafilter!
@steve byrne: is there some unwritten law that forbids comments?
The name of the theory is “Intervention Theory”, correct? Is the name inaccurate? Are all of your pointed references to Lloyd Pye inaccurate? If there is no inaccuracy, then the Theory remains a theory. It is not possible to “debunk” theories. We can only agree or disagree. Preferably without malice or snark.
In the hope of keeping this discussion very lively, I offer Genesis 4:14, Cain speaking: “Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, THAT EVERY ONE THAT FINDETH ME SHALL SLAY ME.” (Apologies for the caps: I can’t figure out how to italicize here)
The standard “biblical” exposition is that Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel’s dead body were the only human things on the planet at that time. But Cain’s complaint clearly says that there were others. I wonder who they were? And why Cain thought he would be executed by them for killing his brother? Have fun!
Here’s the photo: http://txsasquatch.blogspot.com/2012/02/photo-release_23.html
thanks!
Where do I go to see the new trailcam pic that you mentioned? Has it been released?
NEVERMIND!!!! If I would open my eyes and read, I would have seen the link! Geesh, what a week!
well, LOL you guys tell me…..no face,no motion, suspicious provenance damn these BFers!
My dad always told me that “if it looks too good to be true, it probably is”! It does not look like ANY trail cam photo that I have EVER seen. I have seen a lot of trail cam pictures through my hunting buddies and my own cameras! IMHO FAKE!!!!!
curious to me that the camera is out there, pointed at the house and not on the house pointed out… Nice suit though, from the look of it. It must be warm in one of those suits. I bet hoaxing in winter is a riot… getting chased by dogs… I wonder if anyone has had a real encounter, while out there hoaxing in their suit. That’d make me nervous. I kind of thought hoaxers were a myth, but then every so often, we find tracks or see one of these pictures. This almost proves it.
Gaackk… Sorry grammy97 I didn’t mean to be snarky. By debunking, I guess I was requesting specific counter arguments to the theory. I started my thing by saying I didn’t care about the skull
Thanks Richard… getting closer, but let’s forget about THAT skull. I think it’s an anomally, Maybe an ET knocked up one of our girls and made that thing, I’m really, not even interested in it.
Let’s pretend that some advanced race made us as a hybrid of themselves and your favorite homo (bigfoot). Then we got out and had sex with our homo/ progenitors and they liked us too. We all had a big 200k year orgy and now we’re here. How can we prove we were dreaming? What would our DNA look like? Biggies DNA? Would it explain our morphology?
Other points in history trouble me as much as the human mess. Genesis of prokaryotes/archaea, extinction/repopulation events etc. If you take macroevolution as the assumptiom, then what I was taught almost makes sense. I simply can’t assume it. They don’t even have a P/G film.
Microevolution I can watch in my yard… no problem there. It’s the points of speciation that I wonder about.
Thank you, Steve Byrne, for a lovely elucidation. As an ancient who grew up on science fiction, I’ll never lose the awareness that there are literally millions of theories and hypotheses out there! And most of them are enjoyable.
Hey Grammy 97
The Biblical figure Cain wasn’t hairy.
The twin Esau was born hairy, his fraternal twin was not.
Hairy people can be traced back to at least Biblical times.
Google “bigfoot-esau” and the link to that page comes up.
Thank you, anonymoose: you are correct about Cain, there is no description of him being hirsute. My point was that he mentioned other people here on earth, during his lifetime.
just an aside, I often wonder if our seeming bia in favor of hairlessness and aversion to hairness is rooted in or own forgotten tradition of or origin?Aay to seperate us from them, a kind of taboo hairyness became for H. sapien?
Is there a modern human culture that celebrates all over hairyness? With the exception of facial hair this decade, many young men shave their bodies, something really rare two decades ago? I won’t go on with examples, bt there are many more. I also think we seem to have gotten amnesia with WWII and nclear power. It seems just a decade or so prior news articles seemed to accept the phenomenon, and then by the PG days it is a big joke?
I can see why conventional science won’t touch this. For what end? Besides a few focused Anthro types (and maybe the medical/phamacetuicals) if one weighs the Risk (to both humans and BF’s) vs. the Benefits (to both) to prove? It might tip to , don’t bother? That from those who care not for BF, and also those that do?
I guess that went from just our cultural bias against hairyness that may have arisen from our ancestors intimate knowledge of BFs, ..to the whole issue to prove! sorry! and with dropped keys strikes, oh well…
While I am here, Robert…Has any sample provider claimed to have read the paper? Has any co-author made any public claim?
No sample providers have read the paper, and no co-authors have come forward to make any public claims yet.
gracias.