Why You Don’t Want to Be a Genius

I’m a genius. That is, I have a genius IQ. My IQ is 147, and genius is 140, so the argument is over.

I’m always accused of bragging about my IQ, but the truth is that there is nothing to brag about.

Face it. In America, you can brag about anything but your brains. Brag about how much money you make, what a great job you have, what a nice car you drive, how many chicks you get, how nice you are, how everyone loves you, how awesome your kids are, how angelic and pure as driven snow you are, and no one gives a flying fuck. Bragging about brains is only resented in that not only do most folks obviously not have any, but worse, they are never going to be able to acquire any, not even at discount at Walmart.

Furthermore, brains have zero value in US society, hence bragging about them is proscribed. If brains were as valued as money and you could get you just as many chicks and as much validation as cold cash, bragging about would be the like soup du jour, an everyday thing.

I must honestly say that my brains have never done my much of any good, and any good they have done has been massively counteracted by all of the negative stuff. They’ve turned off way more women than they turned on. They’ve hardly made me a nickel. They openly and objectively turn off the vast majority of people I meet. They’re essentially useless as far as making a good show in the interpersonal world and the world of money and success, or maybe worse than useless, an actual hindrance.

Since they are such a great big negative, why all the fuss about “bragging” about brains? I suggest it’s sour grapes. Even though your average moron says he hates brains, and every day sets out to prove just that, deep down inside, he resents the brainiacs.

A commenter said a while back that when there are 30 IQ points difference between individuals, communication is often difficult if not impossible. This sadly rung a bell with me. That means that when I am talking to most people with IQ’s 116 and below, it’s a hopeless endeavor at some point and I may as well throw in the towel. Sure, there are people with IQ’s under 116 who understand me just fine, but I don’t think most do.

The typical scenario is I am saying or writing something here, and their interpretation is over there, 150 miles away. They’re not getting it. They’re not understanding what I’m communicating. Worse, they are getting a 100% inaccurate message from what I am communicating. Often the message they are getting is the exact opposite of what I am communicating. It’s very common that people claim I am communicating a view that I actually hate.

I have tried and tried to take these people aside and show them what I really mean. It hasn’t worked yet. I may as well be talking to my cats. No matter how much I try to explain it, they never get it.

Let’s think here for a moment. If you are an average person, your IQ is 100. A person 30 IQ points below you is a Goddamned retard. So for most anyone, a person 30 IQ points below them is probably going to seem like a total fucking retard. Now, 85% of the population has an IQ below 117. The question is, “Robert, does 85% of the population really seem to total fucking drooling retards?” This is a very painful question for me, because I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and get along with everyone. I especially try to be nice to folks of lesser intelligence.

Yet if I had to sit back and answer that question, I have to answer very sadly, “Yes.”

It’s true. When you’re as smart as I am, a good 85% of the people you meet day in and day out seem like total fucking drooling retarded ass pinheads. They’re so stupid and so incapable of understanding that you’re almost afraid to even talk to them because half the stuff you say is either misunderstood or not comprehended at all. You especially have to watch out for jokes, because maybe half your jokes either don’t make sense at all or are interpreted in drastically wrong ways.

So not only are they stupid, but they’re also sort of dangerous because they are always misunderstanding you, often in nasty and malevolent ways. Most people think if they can’t understand you, that you must be either weird, crazy or possibly evil or criminal in some way.

Every day, you step outside and it’s Moron World. Moron World, all day, every day.

Now, I ask you. You still want to be a genius?

No you do not.


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251 responses to “Why You Don’t Want to Be a Genius

  1. Tulio

    While I’m not at 140, I feel like I have to dumb myself down substantially to talk to women. There are some intelligent female friends I have that I can discuss politics and science with. But most women, they are completely turned off by intellectual subject matter. I know when I’m on a date, to just avoid it like the plague. Don’t come off as brainy, just try and engage them only on an emotional level. Which means finding watered down things to talk about like something funny you saw in a movie, of situational jokes. I feel like that’s not my natural self, but I have to turn half my cylinders off to have any connection with a women.

    Hey just curious, why hasn’t being a genius benefited you financially? You could be working at JPL with an IQ of 147. As shitty as the economy is, there are always jobs for very smart people because there’s such a shortage of them.

    • I am not sure, really. There are a lot of us like this. Once you get towards the high end, a lot of us are not making out at all. I remember some articles about really high IQ people – higher than mine by quite a bit – and a lot of them were not working or living right around or even below the poverty level. It didn’t surprise me one bit.

      I know two other people with IQ’s over 140. One has not worked in many years and is in fact on disability. The other has been working at only working class jobs his whole life. This society doesn’t respect brains as much as you think my friend. If you think geniuses can just write their own ticket, I am afraid that you are wrong.

      One thing I am talking about for instance this website. Ok, look, you think I could show 90% of the women I might meet this website? You think I could show it to 90% of the guys I meet?

      I have been specifically told, by my Mom no less, to *not show this website to anyone you meet in Meatspace*. I asked why not, and she said, “They won’t understand it. They’re too stupid. They won’t get it, and they will read everything the wrong way.”

      On the bright side, I just realized that almost all the critics of this website are fucking retards, so that feels nice.

      I also think that Political Correctness is a symptom of Mental Retardation. Anyone spouting PC cannot possibly be thinking at all. Either that or they know they are lying, and they are just using PC crap as a club to hit their enemies with.

      I also think that most Commies are a bunch of retards. Look at the way we shut down 50% of the debate in human society. We Commies let women make 50% of our decisions, so of course the result is mass retardation. Women don’t believe in freedom of speech. Women think, “If it hurts my feelings, it should be illegal.” Women are at fault for almost all “hate speech” codes and whatnot.

      • Harry S

        PC is very feminine.

        I recall a girlfriend of mien constantly saying things I said were ‘offensive’ when they blatantly weren’t. (E.G asking an Afghan guy if he owned one of those hats)

        Women are always the first to get offended on someone else’s behalf. The world simply doesn’t work when we let them make the rules.

        • PC is so pussy. PC is what happens when you let women make the rules for society. What women want illegal or nearly illegal is “whatever speech offends me.” That ain’t gonna cut it.

      • Vani Nambudiri

        Such strange, unfair comments that broad brush and generalize about an entire gender and show a poor understanding of recent historical changes. I’m a female with a high IQ and attended Harvard. I find high intelligence to be a huge turn on. So do most of my female friends. If you are looking for smart women who genuinely appreciate/prefer/seek out intelligent men for that sexy, witty banter, then find ways to connect with high-powered women. There are plenty of us out there.

        Tulio’s comment and Robert’s response show a poor understanding of history. Up until the 1950′s, women were encouraged to not show too much brains, or they would be viewed as shrill or too masculine. Up until the 1990s, we’ve been told to “quietly succeed” — do well, but hide it and don’t let your mate feel threatened. Just like males feel a strong social pressure to act “tough, masculine,” women have felt huge social pressure to not pursue braininess too actively or those delicate male egos will feel threatened. Only more recently are truly strong, intelligent, tough women looked on positively – it’s a fairly recent phenomenon. My point is, women are NOT naturally less brainy/less interested in pursuing knowledge. We’re simply recovering for a 2,000-year nightmare where we were pressured by society (and barred by society until the early 1900s) from being too smart, from appearing too smart.

        TONS of brainy women feel totally alienated in this society, because we are intellectually curious but still feel pressure to not come across too smart, or we’ll threaten men. They (and I) would be thrilled to meet a man who is smart enough to keep up, AND interested in a woman with opinions, brains, ideas. If you all are truly secure with yourselves, seek out smart, high-powered women. Just like smart men, we truly want our mate to be our intellectual equals, and we feel pretty alone out there too.

        • JMO

          Agreed! Nicely Stated. Thank you!.

        • Priyamvada Jain

          Hi Vani!

          You use the word “high-powered” twice. What do you mean by it?

        • The sad, very sad truth, is that you’re literally incapable of understanding what has been said. Women are inferior to men. That may not sound “nice”, but, sorry, it’s what we call the “truth.” Women are emotive beings, and some might have a decent IQ, but this doesn’t qualify them to be compared to men. Show me a Female Wittgenstein, a female Kant, a female Plato. Women just aren’t biologically capable or understanding the deeper truths of existence. It’s a SAD, AWFUL, truth. I don’t give a shit what you say, whether it’s “sexist”, or “incorrect.” I have an IQ of 190 and speaking to women is useless. I have aspergers syndrome, and am actually good looking as well. Women are here to have babies and attend to the utterly useless facade of promulgating even more useless idiots. This may sound mean, but remember, the reason that you’re mad while reading this, is because…..it’s the truth. Truth is very painful, and until we acknowledge that which is the case (truth), we will continue on this path of intellectual degradation that is plaguing the world. The end. Now go tell your husband how mean and “sexist” this man on the internet was. Fortunately, truth doesn’t need support. It stands on it’s on as self-evident. THE END–UNTIL THE END OF TIME. GET AS MAD AS YOU WANT. It doesn’t change the FACT, that women are intellectually inferior to men.

          k bye.

        • Congratulations on the 190 IQ. That is very impressive! Not so sure I agree with you there. I have had a number of gf’s who love to listen to me go on. One called my intellectual meanderings, “the lectures.” She loved them.

      • Nisha

        R. Lindsay Idiot, I have an IQ score of 197 and I am a Indian Female,.
        Don’t you freak talk about female IQs and all, its beyond your comprehension level,
        You write “Women think, “If it hurts my feelings, it should be illegal.” Women are at fault for almost all “hate speech” codes and whatnot.;
        Since when did you allow woman to make decisions? All you men take your decision of your own and then blame it across woman you juvenile clowns,. You are the ones who advocate hate speech not women.
        How misogynistic you’ve written?
        In communism if women’s policies does not work its the problem with the filthy ideology communism itself. communism is a place where one loves to waste their time and try to earn without working and raising protests on juvenile matters not allowing others to live peacefully and showing no empathy for dissents,. in such a filthy lunatic ideology how can a woman survive? how will her concepts work?
        Get back to your mental hospital dog…

      • arprok

        Do you? as I do, also enjoy seat on the colourless spectrum? :P
        I recognise a few things, 140 + I.Q, general irritation at well, everything..

        Some people call it autism, I call my brand.. Idiot Frustration Syndrome.

        If everyone had 1 leg, 2 would be a defect.

      • Luke

        Yes, if you have a high IQ you should be able to figure out how to make money. I have an IQ of 168 and I only have a high school education but I make 120k. Most everything I know is self taught. School and me did not mix well since I am dyslexic. If a person is really smart then he/she should be able to figure out how to make money. Otherwise the person’s IQ may not be as accurate as he/she thinks.

        • More nonsense, and I actually feel like banning you. I know quite a few people with IQ’s from 130-150 who make low to average incomes (max $40K) but most make $12-18K. I know many high IQ people who have never made much money in life. It’s a complete lie that high IQ people can automatically make bank, what a stupid joke that is.

        • There are many people who lack the drive and desire to commit to a stressful, soulless existence structured purely around procuring and maintaining lots of money. In fact, intelligent people are more likely to cultivate a rich life independent of shitloads of moolah.

        • Luke

          Sounds like a bunch of BS and excuses to me. I so smart… look at how smart I am but I F’n poor. I can’t make money boo hoo. BS! Get off your high IQ ivory tower. And yes you can ban me. I stumbled across your blog and though to myself “this guy is full of BS” so I decided to post my thoughts. If you can’t take the honesty then you are just as bad as the political correctness idiots.

        • Fuck off Luke, you little rightwing piece of shit. Banned jerk-off.


    • Bill

      Simply one simple question to all these supposed geniuses. Why do most of you misspell words or use improper syntax?

      • Amy

        Bill, I used to make the same assumption you do, but high IQ and perfect spelling don’t always go together–it’s a mistake to conflate the two. When I worked at NIH as a secretary, I worked with many researchers who were clearly brilliant, yet lousy at spelling and grammar. Some people just never get a knack for it, just as some people are tone-deaf no matter how long they practice their singing.

      • Big G

        my brain doesnt read left to right. i start a word in the middle then force myself to follow a sentence to the right. a statement comes out of my brain at the speed of light. i have to slow down to get it typed properly. if you and i were having a conversation i would be finishing your sentences and turning a sentence into a paragraph. my mechanical drawings are easy to read.

      • Sonjia Brown

        I have a very high I.Q. and I hate bad spelling with a passion, I even think I might be a bit O.C.D. about it.

        • Big G

          i have to excuse myself for my spelling all the time as you well now im attacked continually over it. poor spelling is a sign of unintelligence by the wolf pack and since the idiots out number the smart it’s a life long mine field. which could be spelled mind field.

        • Big G

          But while i cant spell i can whip up a mechanical drawing of any vehicle including all nuts and bolts. i can even draw up a wiring harness for any vehicle of the top of my head including all devices, swithes , relays and fuse panel with correct fuse amperage per accessory. But i cant spell amperage. Iq 147 ( stoned)

        • Sonjia Brown

          See Big G you have different and very good skills, I know a guy who runs a huge executive homes housebuilding company, worth over £1 billion pounds approximately $1.5 billion U.S. and he can`t even read or write, he gets his staff to do all ` that stuff ` so lack of spelling, reading etc skills need not be an impediment.
          P.S. It annoys me to see how you are attacked particularly on the Bigfoot forum over your spelling, after all if we were all the same what a boring world it would be.

    • Sonjia Brown

      Mine is 168, it has been very useful for me as I see many different ways around a problem when friends only see one. I saw a great business idea many years ago and grabbed it and made a lot of money then sold it and semi retired. Mostly I don`t bother talking too much to people as they can`t see the bigger picture, especially with world affairs, so I have given up with the X factor generation and other retarded types. I see it as a deliberate policy of ` dumbing down people `

      • Big G

        Are you interested in a subterrainian salt water battery the size of a swimming pool. bio degradable and it will store all the solar and wind energy for a 24 hour program of energy usage.

  2. Bay Area Guy

    From what I’ve observed, there is a very anti-intellectual culture in American society as a whole, particularly when it comes to matters related to history and social sciences.

    However, I have noticed that people seem to respect brains when it comes to having a high paying job.

    For example, doctors are highly respected and enjoy much prestige. Ditto for similar professionals.

    Americans don’t want to hear about any of your book learnin’ or have you talk down to them intellectually, but if you used your brains to land you a high paying job, then more power to you!

    I guess the point I’m trying to make is that in a capitalist and anti-intellectual society such as the U.S., your intellect is only important in terms of how it helps you make money.

    That’s why education in the U.S. is simply seen as a means to an end, a matter of acquiring skills in order to land a high paying job. That, as opposed to actually learning anything meaningful.

    • Georgia Prewett

      It has been well over a year since you left this message. But still, I have to reply and say, “yes” sadly so, you are correct.

  3. Bay Area Guy

    @ Tulio

    Re: Having to suppress your natural instincts around women

    We’ve been over this many times, but I have to co-sign yet again.

    There’s just no winning with them. On the one hand, you’re always told to “be yourself,” but I can tell that such an approach clearly doesn’t work. If girls don’t like “yourself,” you’re already fucked.

    As Chris Rock once said in the context of trying to go for girls, “you’re not you. You’re the ambassador of you.”

    • I generally do NOT just act like myself when I am around women. Sitting here at the computer typing this, yeah I guess I am acting like myself. My basic position is that acting like myself probably is just not very attractive to women. So whenever I am out anywhere where there are any decent women about, I usually put on the “show” Robert Lindsay. It’s a “show” personality that I use a lot around women. Basically, my natural instincts if women are about is to try to attract them to the greatest extent possible. I honestly feel like “just being me” ain’t going to cut it.

      Thing is the “show” Robert Lindsay is also me too, so it’s very easy to drop right into that.

      • Bay Area Guy

        My basic position is that acting like myself probably is just not very attractive to women.

        Same here.

        Around many people in general, that’s how I am. One girl even once called me “enigmatic.”

        Maybe it’s because of my un-kosher views, or because I’m a naturally shy and introverted person, but I do feel like I’m often wearing a mask in public.

        That’s why I come to this blog, Robert. It’s one of the few places where I can express my true views and feelings, and on a variety of topics that I never get to discuss in my everyday conversations.

  4. Suz

    The bragging rights for intelligence come from how you use it. Being “smart” is nothing more than potential, until you use your brains productively. Pretty much like any inborn trait (think physical: strength, dexterity, beauty…) I don’t feel the need to “hide” my intelligence, because I study people, and figure out how to communicate with them. I don’t see it as compromising or “dumbing down,” but as adapting to my environment, and it’s a challenge. Stupid people will never understand your language, but you can learn theirs, because you’re smart. (And let’s face it, unless you’re a hermit, you have to interact with them.) Like every productive use of an asset though, it takes effort. Intelligent people are always going to be somewhat isolated because we’re “different,” but we don’t have to be inaccessible.

    Bay Area Guy makes a good point, and I’d take it one step further – it’s not just high-paying jobs that earn respect for brainiacs, it’s any measurable success. You can see this among intelligent people who lack formal education – they solve problems, see the whole picture, innovate, and generally just get thing done.

    I agree that “sour grapes” is a part of the general disdain for intelligence, but I think that a bigger part is the appearance that we’re all talk, no action. “if you’re so smart, why can’t you…?” and, “If I had that I could…” are very common themes.

  5. Tim Weir

    As well as IQ, you have to consider EQ. We had a Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, who had a very high IQ but one of the world’s lowest EQ’s, judging by his ability to alienate people and to not understand why they disliked him. His predecessor, Tony Blair, may not have been as intellectually smart, but he was fantastic at articulating what people wanted to hear – what he said pretty much off the cuff when Diana died is a classic example. Arguably Bill Clinton had genius level both in IQ and EQ, but it’s a rare combination

    • The problem is that the brains-haters go on and on about how high IQ supposedly have low EQ. But the truth is that EQ and IQ actually show a pretty high correlation. As far as insight goes, it’s hard to say. I know a lot of very smart people who have or had virtually zero insight into their often extremely obnoxious behavior. But a lot of people of lower IQ are probably the same. Nobody wants to hear how they’re fucking up or even try to figure it out if you ask me, and most folks don’t have the slightest clue how they are alienating people or turning them off. Point it out and you’re asking for a tirade. Sad.

      • The fact that you wrote this post, though, shows that you are incredibly clueless in huge areas of the human realm. Read Suz’s message just above. She was using everything she could to try and slip a certain idea into your head, but you were – at least apparently – blind to it. The fact that you don’t understand this issue means you are insensitive and dull in ways that others are smart.

        • All right jerk, you are banned.

          I don’t agree with Suz’s post at all. We are allowed to show off our success in just about any human endeavor you can think of except intelligence. There can be no possible reason for that other than the general disdain for human smarts and intellectuals, probably an American thing. I doubt if all cultures share this disdain. I suspect Jewish and Chinese people don’t.

  6. An Unmarried Man

    What obligation is there on the part of the very intelligent to convert their brains into success or contributions to the ordinary 100-IQ’d society? 100 IQ’d people are quite happy with the status quo. It’s only the geniuses who continue to feed them delusions of grandeur and keep them wanting more.

    A society with a 100 cumulative IQ will invariably construct a social conformist structure around the values and limitations of its intelligence level. The further anyone deviates from the IQ mean, the more likely they will express social behavior at odds with society’s social rules and conventions, and thus, they are called odd.

    • Tim Weir

      That’s an interesting idea but I don’t think it is true that conformist societies = average IQ societies. The first counter-example that comes to mind is Singapore, which is extremely conformist but is run by people with very high IQs, and raising the average IQ is an explicit goal of the state (hence the campaign to persuade educated Chinese girls to have babies). Japan is another counter-example – very clever, very conformist. Both Asian & Confucian, which may be relevant. I think Swedes are also clever and conformist. One to ponder.

      • An Unmarried Man

        The distinction I’m making is not that conformist societies in and of themselves are necessarily average IQ’d, but that the reigning social subculture’s values within any society is an extension of the same society’s mean IQ.

        For instance, assume Singapore is able to pull its mean IQ to about 110. I then propose that Singapore’s social personality (habits, values, diversions, family structure, etc) would best capture the social value system of a random Singaporean with an IQ of 107. The farther we deviate from 107, the more alienated an individual would feel there.

        Someone with an IQ like Robert’s essentially means he is alienated from most societal norms, regardless of whether it’s Hong Kong or Gabon we’re talking about. And I mean that in a good way :)

        • An Unmarried Man

          *typo alert
          I meant:

          …would best capture the social value system of a random Singaporean with an IQ of 110.

  7. seedofjapheth

    I just listened to a audio documentary of Jean Paul Sartre and in the documentary it said that in college even though he wasn’t the best looking he still had a lot of girls who wanted to sleep with him because he was outspoken and engaged in lots of discussions with fellow students and when he talked he sounded intelligent. SO that shows you that some women find intelligence sexy.

    • Tim Weir

      Yes, it’s definitive proof. Unfortunately it’s also proof that the French are very different. It’s also worth notice that Sartre ended up with Simone de Beauvoir, who was so impressed by him that she decided to found the feminist movement (The second sex) and also wrote extensively in fictional form about what a bastard and hypocrite he was (The Mandarins, She came to stay). In many ways she preferred the American writer Nelson Algren, who was less complicated and (apparently) slightly less of a bastard.

    • Those are FRENCH women. Very different.

  8. mitchw

    May I apologize to you, Robert? Sometimes I read your columns, finding it funny how your words will get some people to go nutso. If you want to feel what it’s like to confront incomprehension like the dodos do, you might want to start with Kafka’s “Amerika,” or The Disappeared as it’s known in German.

    Hey, here’s a story about money and brains. If I’ve got it pretty accurately, the professor of economics and the rich banker were arguing.The banker asked, ‘if you’re so smart, how come you’re not rich?’ The professor then replied, ‘if you’re so rich, how come you’re so stupid?’

    ba dum

  9. Pimp

    Well, I can’t say that I really agree with those intelligence tests, but usually people who score high on them have some reasonably good level of intelligence. Be proud of intelligence and good reasoning ability. Hate all of those who refuse to have respect for intelligence and good reasoning ability.

  10. johnUK

    How do you know what your IQ is?

    Do they take mandatory IQ tests in schools in the US?

    • I was given the WISC in 1971 at age 14. The counselor showed me my score, even though he wasn’t supposed to. They used to give mandatory tests in schools, yes. But that has been ILLEGAL in California since 1979.

      • Robert Jackson

        They gave me a test when I was about 12 because I kept getting in so much trouble. I was always bored. They told me my IQ as well, I’ve never heard that they were not supposed to tell the person they tested. I don’t think they put it in my school records though, because I had a highschool geometry teacher tell me that she had looked at my school records and can’t believe how easy geometry came to me. She said she thought I was probably a genius. I just laughed and said I am. People in class would get so mad that the shit was so easy for me and I came to school high all the time. They couldn’t understand how i could just understand it and do so well on the tests yet they had to study and study and still struggled.

  11. Shawn

    No offense because you come across as being quite smart but how certain are you of that score? Such a score is very rare. When was the test taken? Which one?

    • WISC – 1971, age 14.

      I took another one with a psychologist at my Mom’s work in 1986. This was WAIS. He didn’t give me a score, but he said, “Very high, very, very high.” He also said he had been doing this for 20 years and given like 600 tests and only 10-15 had scored in my range or higher.

      • Shawn

        No offense but you may want to retake one. They say scores are stable but there is variation.

      • Shawn

        You can go to a Barnes and Nobel Bookstore and self-administer your own IQ test there. They have books that let you do that. Of course don’t take tickle.com’s test :-)

        I think my IQ is probably between 107-119

        • What’s weird is you are one of the smarter commenters on here. This is what I don’t get. I’ve never made an argument yet that you could not understand. Maybe you are operating at a level above your IQ. Supposedly you can operate at a level up to 20 points above your IQ by using “extra-IQ factors.”

        • Gay State Girl

          I can’t imagine.

      • Robert Jackson

        They told me my score but I don’t know which tests they gave me. I remember the testing taking many many many days. They tested far more than my IQ I am certain of that.

    • It’s not so rare. 1/1000 Americans have a score that high. In the small town in lived in the Sierra Nevadas, there were probably a good 15 others with scores that high.

      • Shawn

        You may want to do to your local Barnes & Noble or similar store and look at one of those books that let you self-administer your own IQ test. You can do it in the store for free on one of their couches, and it’s a real test not one like tickle.com or some similar site where they inflate your IQ to sell you a certificate. Also just bring your watch.

        I think my IQ is somewhere in the range of 107-119. I’m terrible at math but did well on the verbal section of the ACT.

        • Fuck that. I got my nice two juicy scores. I ain’t takin no more tests. There’ve been a lot of drugs in the interim.


        • Robert Jackson

          Some of the tests are fucking flat out stupid and test skills not intelligence. It’s not like a genius just magically knows shit like how many months had 30 days in the year 1923. That is shit you figure out with skills you learn. Testing things related to certain skills like math or vocabulary are not really testing a persons raw potential, their real IQ, those things are testing what knowledge a person has.

          Too many people confuse knowledge or education with intelligence.

  12. Matt

    I don’t claim to be any kind of genius, but I’m a lot smarter than most of the people I deal with on a day to day basis. There is an important distinction between amiable dull wittedness and aggressive stupidity. With the former, you can enjoy good relations as long as you keep it light and don’t flaunt your intelligence. They might even respect you for it if you can help them out. The latter? Hopeless. They’re just looking for deviants to ostracize from the herd. You’ll know them when you see them. Try to have as little interaction as possible without seeming like a conceited jerk. If they detect that you’re different in any way, they can make your life miserable.

    • Yes, what bothers me is aggressive stupidity. They don’t understand me, which really is just fine. If they were amiable and dull-witted, they might just smile and be nice. Instead, they try to figure out what I said or wrote, and they get it all wrong. I mean really, really 1,500 miles off wrong. Like I said A and they say I mean Z wrong. Then they get mad at me because of what I said or wrote based I guess on this misinterpretation.

      Or they just don’t get me, and as a consequence, they think I’m weird or insane. All cuz they didn’t understand.

      Aggressive stupidity. Yes.

      • You know, most stupid people are so stupid they don’t even know they’re stupid.

        • Chatnoir

          So if someone is fearful they are stupid and it keeps them up at night, are they really smart? Or just stupid?

        • Dumb people never stay up all nite long worrying that they are dumb. Dumb people are perfectly happy being dumb and they see nothing wrong with it. If you are staying up all nite worrying that you are stupid, then you are probably at least fairly intelligent.

  13. Gay State Girl

    I believe you wrote a piece a while back on how IQ is destiny and you opined that society should recognize IQ as a factor of one’s potential so that they could be properly compensated for their work.

  14. Gay State Girl

    I haven’t had that problem as I live in a high end area and I only score in the mid 120′s, but I can vividly recall trying to feign an interest in “it” boys and idle gossip when I was in middle school.

  15. KarolS

    As someone with an IQ of 152, I now realize why I find this blog so dumb sometimes. It’s like apes trying to create a Space Program. For instance, Lindsay extrapolates from a test he took at 14 that his current IQ is 147 – the supposition itself proves his IQ is very low – probably around 117. Due to his low IQ, he is probably completely unaware of this irony.

    WAIS -147
    Geez I’m such a flake though.
    Joined MENSA in my mid 20′s-BORING.
    Never/rarely mention my IQ to anyone.
    Causes way too many problems.

    • Suz

      Stealth Smartie. They either hate you or they want something from you. It’s safer under your hat.

    • Hacienda


      That’s good girl. I got 136 on by SB, but my English wasn’t fully developed when I took it as it was a 2nd language. Could have reduced my score anywhere from 5 to possibly 50 points.

    • I am sorry. Both my scores were Sanford-Binet, I think. Good God, you have an IQ of 152, Jesus Christ. I never talk about it either, except online.

      It’s caused problems online, but in Meatspace? Not really, to be honest. Most people who hear it are just stunned more than anything else. One would expect some negative shit, but I never get any. The only time it ever comes up is when people ask me, “What’s your score?” And they do that pretty regularly. That’s because sometimes I said, “Yeah, I’m smart. I’ve seen my IQ score.” Most of the time that leads to a curious, “What is it?” Then when I tell them, I almost always get a good response.

      I don’t go around bragging about that number. Are you fuckin crazy! Hell no, I would never do such a thing. I talk about stuff like that online because I can talk about things here that I can’t talk about in Meatspace.

  17. The original point about inability to communicate with people 2 SD below your own level of intelligence is correct, I think, except that the problem is limited to a window of about 1 SD. So Robert, with an IQ around 145, can’t reliably communicate with folks in the 100-115 range, but I suspect he could make out well with those below 100.

    It has to do with the ability to model the other person’s mental behavior. It’s not hard to figure out how the truly stupid think, or to run an internal emulation of a very unintelligent man.

    In communicating we attempt to run a model of the other person. For people within a certain range of your own intelligence, this involves something like a virtualized OS, which can run at near native speed. For those very far below your own level, it is more like an emulated OS, where you have to run a pretend version of the base hardware. That 15 point range in the middle would be the people smart enough that you don’t have the processing power to achieve an emulation, but their mental hardware is different enough that you can’t do virtualization, either.

    The men whose company I have enjoyed most in my life have all had (at a guess) IQs 3 SD below my own. No deep conversation, obviously, but that’s not much of a loss in terms of companionship. Serious conversations on serious topics are usually contentious, because even other highly intelligent men are so well programmed.

  18. Gay State Girl

    Internet tests are pretty unreliable but my scores from tests I took on the internet tests fell within the 120′s range as well.

    My IQ has progressively risen since I was born (as meconium aspiration probably took off a few points, but apparently brain cells can replicate, as is evident with Gabby Giffords.) I scored within the bright/normal range during early childhood assessment (I think that would translate to 110-115) but scored 122 for my verbal IQ on the WISC when I was seventeen. My linguistic ability isn’t so strong (around the 88th percentile) but my logical/mathematical scores fell within the 98th percentile.

  19. Dota

    Join the next gaza flotilla and you just might ;)

    • Gay State Girl

      Making love during a raid while being beaten and humiliated, and ultimately sealing our love behind bars? Don’t feed into my fantasies. I can’t think of anything more romantic and I may want to take you up on your offer, although Palestinian Solidarity ain’t really my thing.

      You don’t give yourself enough credit. Why only 115?

      • Dota


        115 feels right. I forgot to mention that I did have my IQ professionally tested in India when I was around 10 I think. The score was around 110 if I recall it correctly. I’m pretty sure it must have been bumped up to 115 during my Uni years in Canada. My fluid intelligence is poor but but my crystallized intelligence is strong since I’ve always been a reader. My mother’s IQ is over 120 but I got stuck with my Dad’s average IQ, but also inherited his love of learning and reading, which has helped my CI. Some of the online IQ tests I’ve done gave me a breakdown of my result. Clearly I failed at the number sequence questions (extrapolation) but did quite well at some of reasoning questions such as analogies ect. Since debating (whether online or in real life) requires the use of CI more than FI, I have been able to consistently project the illusion of a high IQ. I’m a fraud, but a damn good one ;)

        • Yeah but see. You’re one of the smartest people on here. See what I mean? Raw numbers don’t matter all that much.

        • Gay State Girl

          You do a good job of faking it. I would have thought it was closer to 130, but IQ tests usually measure logical/mathematical ability more than verbal ability, which is probably why I score high on IQ tests, despite lacking outstanding verbal skills.

        • Dota

          Robert L

          I have nothing against Intelligence testing, however I’ve come to realize (as many have) that the standardized IQ test is a highly clumsy tool that’s been used to gauge a variety of cognitive abilities which have so many dimensions. The theory of general intelligence (FI + CI) is what I’ve used to explain on one hand my strong long term memory and debating success over the years, combined with my dismal performance in mathematics and school in general. However I also recall scoring the highest marks on an inductive reasoning test in a Philosophy course in my second year. I’ve never given my intelligence much thought anyway, this is the first time I’ve actually talked about it.

        • Dota

          “”You do a good job of faking it. I would have thought it was closer to 130,””

          Sucker :)

        • An Unmarried Man

          How do we differentiate between “smart” and “high IQ’d?”
          Or do we?

        • Hacienda

          “How do we differentiate between “smart” and “high IQ’d?”
          Or do we?”

          Aristotle thought that adults had 28 teeth. He was stupid for thinking that. He was also stupid for not bothering to look. (No theory of empirical method). So he had a high iq, but was stupid.

          It’s not possible to be smart without stating something, thinking something, believing something. It’s still possible to be high IQ’s, even when you’re sleeping. One is a property of physical makeup, the other is non physical property. But high IQ people tend to be smarter more often than low IQ people.

          What do you think hoss?

        • An Unmarried Man

          Aristotle might have been lazy, disinterested or repulsed by sticking his nose in foul-smelling mouths. Maybe oral research wasn’t his “thing.” He isn’t stupid until someone (Hacienda) questions his half-baked observations. Who first thought men had more ribs than women? Stupid.

          More interesting and peculiar than the very intelligent are the very average clever people who make people think they are more intelligent than they are. It’s is easy to pull the wool over the eyes of the mean. Successful con artists are very clever.

          So if IQ is distributed in a Bell Curve, the manifestation of IQ is also distributed in a Bell Curve. A Bell Curve within a Bell Curve. Some intelligent underachieve, achieve what is expected, or overachieve, with most clustering at just what is expected. The same can be said of morons. What the hell are we doing?

  20. An Unmarried Man

    An IQ vanity thread. Fucking awesome. I took an IQ test in Omni Magazine in 1978 and scored 195.

    Well that’s a lie. I scored an 83 on the RIAS and made many wonderful friends on my way to, and back fro, school

  21. Dota

    Robert L

    Ok out of sheer curiosity and boredom (my Wow account’s expired) I decided to put my own theory about my intelligence to the test.

    I did a 50 question test on Verbal IQ/analogies here http://alliqtests.com/tests/1/9/

    I scored 33 and based solely on this result, the program estimated my IQ to be 127. Since Verbal IQ is a function of CI (Gc) it turns out I was right in my assessment. My FI (Gf) does drag my overall IQ score down. Oh well. It’s all your fault Robert, I was going to get some reading done this evening until you pushed me down this damn rabbit hole -_-

  22. ski

    Just strangely enough– but not too strangely mind you– I have that exact same 147 IQ as Rob. I’ve only been tested once though at around age 6, give or take a year.

    Curiously enough– but also, mind you– not too curiously (and neither do your suspicions deceive you) I’m a college dropout, chronically underemployed (only for the past 2 years though) underachiever.

    What sucks is that ever since my mom found out ’bout that IQ score she’s been ranting nonstop from childhood to recent times about how I’m smarter than 99% of people and failure is unacceptable etc. Plenty of people who don’t know my actual score have been telling me the same thing since as far back as I can remember: peers, teachers, family friends etc. So yeah, I get that “you’re so smart! what the hell are you doing with your life,” bit all the time.

    Well god bless ‘em but they just don’t understand. The damn niggers is ruinin’ everything so a good ol’ White genius like yours truly just can’t succeed…

    …which translates loosely as: nothing in this world that seems worth doing seems achievable and nothing achievable worth doing. But only because of the damn niggers (and Jews too).

    I’m not gonna be a minimum wage slave forever, but also not gonna go back into the rat race.

    I’m already in the process of changing my line of work to something that will allow half-decent pay and rural living. In a few years gonna own me some land in rural Virginia where I’m gonna enjoy the peace and quiet, stare at the stars and mountains, pore over ancient Latin texts and and maybe even pick up some Ancient Greek. I’ll have season tickets to the classical music series in a nearby small city and go into town once a month for that.

    I will eventually contribute several things to mankind though, my magnum opus: “Quemadmodum niggeri vitam patriamque meam adeo orbem terrarum perdere potuerunt”– “How exactly the niggers were able to destroy my life, my country, and at last– the entire world.” And if I have some extra time “Si Iudaei tam sapienti sint– cur nasos tantos magnos possident?” “If Jews are so damn smart, why are their noses so damn big?” And dedicated to RL himself: “Ad infernum te, Gypse, ad infernum accedes” “To hell with you Gypsy, to hell you shall go.”

    And of course my autobiography– “Historiam Viri, nominati interretialibus ‘Ski’– vir bonus, heros glorisissimus qui niggeris Iudaeisque contumelias tantas atroces tam acriter iecit, ut in caelo memoriaque humanitatis locum meruit.”
    “The story of a man, called ‘Ski’ on the internets– a good man, a most glorious hero who hurled such vicious insults so pointedly at the niggers and Jews that he earned himself a place in heaven and in the memory of all humanity.”

    And I will DEFINITELY be clinging to my guns and Bible.

    But I will avoid becoming a pretentious stereotypical egghead MENSA type as they neither live in the country nor rant about the damn niggers ruinin’ everything.

    The modern world is actually just too damn LOUD (in every possible concrete and metaphorical sense of the word) for me. I suspect that simple country livin’ will allow me enough quiet to the point that ranting about the damn niggers ruinin’ everything will actually become wholly unnecessary.

    The ultimate lesson of my life is do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, attempt to take the reigns on Apollo’s chariot even if you are Apollo’s son. Besides, you probably are not Apollo’s son even if you think your 147 IQ proves you are.

    PS. This may seem like a nonsensical rant and there are two possible explanations. One is that I’m a bit loopy at around 4:00 AM when I can’t sleep; and the other is that such an odd seemingly nonsensical ranting and raving disproves my supposed 147 IQ.

    However, the third possibility is actually the correct one.

    And that mysterious third which was not given is:
    that this peculiar bit of raving is a true work of genius, a poetic masterpiece in which– as Jesus did– the secrets of the universe are explained in parable (although the author is of course not even the son of Apollo, much less the Christ).

    That, my friends, is the wonderful truth. And sadly, if this third option was not already obvious to you before I mentioned it then your IQ is significantly lower than 147.

    • Ahhh I always knew you were a 147. You just gave off those 147 vibes from the moment you strolled in here.

      I’m sure that the niggers and Jews have ruined your life and prevented you from achieving your just rewards.

      In my case, it was the Gypsies. They’re all in Europe, but they ruined my life anyway, If it wasn’t for those flamenco dancing horse traders, I’d be a rich man by now, mind you.

  23. Hacienda

    “rural Virginia where I’m gonna enjoy the peace and quiet”

    I’ve had this fantasy for decades. But for me it’s more like living on a remote island in the Pacific. Maybe creating a new religion. Non of this new age religion shit either. But one with the moral focus and intensity of the monotheistic religions, but somehow without the naked stupidity.

    Or a place in the California desert. Solar energy. Create a beautiful glass paneled place and howl with the dogs and coyotes out there. Maybe become buddies with a couple of them.

    As far as the niggers screwing up civilization, I agree. But it’s gonna be a circular process with the liberation of the red man. Then we take care of the nigger-Jew problem in a fair way.

    • I don’t think he was serious with all that “Niggers and Jews ruined my life” bullshit. 135 IQ, you should have caught that one, grasshopper. You been slacking off on the meditation. Try this: meditate on the sound of one nigger’s hand slacking.

      • Hacienda

        136 with a huge asterisk, buddy.

        Did much higher on the “proxy” IQ test like SAT, LSAT. Beside, not convinced that meditation while meditative, doesn’t make one stupid. Like a brick.

        Let’s ask ski. What do you REALLY think of niggers?

        • ski

          Nowadays I think of them as America’s adopted mentally retarded child. Sometimes very charming and endearing, sometimes embarrassing and silly, all too often dangerous– ’cause this retarded adopted child doesn’t lack brawn like he lacks brains. Often I think damn, why the hell was mama America thinking when she adopted this retarded child? I’m sick of living in the same house with him (if any White person claims he’s never had this thought, he’s probably lying). Ultimately though, I’ve come to accept him as a part of the national family. A handful and a headache, but still part of the national family.

          I see emancipation and desegregation as analogous to the mass closings of public mental hospitals. Sure, conditions were absolutely atrocious in many/most of these facilities, but when they just suddenly closed the doors we ended up with millions of schizophrenics on the streets where they were more of a danger to others and themselves. Just as conditions in the public mental hospitals were unacceptable, slavery and segregation should have been dropped or improved, but I don’t think what’s replaced them is good.

          I think we ought to try to do what’s best for Blacks and Whites in America, but that what’s best must necessarily involve Whitey both giving charity to, and imposing rules on Blackey.

          As far as specifics, don’t know what the solution is.

        • Gay State Girl

          “Nowadays I think of them as America’s adopted mentally retarded child.”

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ Ski


          My views on blacks have mellowed since a couple of years ago. I admit, I’m still a bit racist against them, and I don’t have a very high opinion of them as a group.

          But now, I try not to dwell on them too much. As long as I can avoid them and avoid dealing with them, they don’t bother me too much.

          I’m sick of living in the same house with him (if any White person claims he’s never had this thought, he’s probably lying)


          I don’t think that most whites hate or actively dislike black people, but I do think that most prefer not to live around/deal with blacks. I also think that if all blacks were to just magically be shipped to some African country by tomorrow, most whites would have a coke.

          Even though he’s considered one of the founding fathers of Critical Race Theory and I’m thus compelled to hate him, I think Derrick Bell’s “Space Traders” hit the nail on the head.

        • Gay State Girl

          It does make me sad though. The blacks and latinos that I deal with on a daily basis are pretty nice..

        • ski

          Yeah same with me. For a while there I was an ultra-racist and just really hated them, but now I would say I’m just a realist with a sprinkle of animosity. Avoiding them is a good idea, but the even if you can avoid the Blacks it’s damn hard to simultaneously avoid the White liberal PC white-guilters. These days I actually have much more animosity towards PC Whites than I do towards Blacks.

          That’s the thing. I do know quite a few Black folks who are really good people. And it also doesn’t seem right to lump the Tulio’s or Alpha Unit’s of the country in with “America’s mentally retarded adopted children,” but on a group level that’s really the only way I can think of Blacks.

        • WmarkW

          If black IQ’s are one SD below whites, that still implies that 75% of the populations will overlap. There are few whites “equal” to ghetto types, and few blacks equal to top scientists and other intellectuals. But in blue collar jobs employing the 25-75 percentiles, you wouldn’t notice any difference.

          I grew up in a suburb with an entrenched black population from its rural days, to which educated whites migrated. The black’s background wasn’t the same as the whites, so I accepted the “legacy” theory.

          When I started my career job, I joined the employees union, made up primarily of philosophically/politically pro-labor whites, plus blacks who believed they were victims of discrimination. Within a few months, it became clear that discrimination or legacies of oppression were NOT their problem.

        • Hacienda

          “As far as specifics, don’t know what the solution is.”

          Sex. Sex, sex, and more sex. Lot’s of it. It’s always been the salvation of mankind, it will be the salvation of mankind yet again. Let no cock-block stand in the way. It’s what the blacks have been saying all along. Sex, sex, and more sex. The Jew porn masters understand, Ron Jeremy “gets it”, Avena Lee “gets it”. Thailand “gets it”. Do you? Why go the hard road when the easy solution is right there?

    • WTF you are the Great Asian Man, the greatest product of human evolution ever, right? Just look at your ET appearance. You guys are evolving right up out of the damned naked ape race dammit.

      You’re afraid of a bunch of feral Black people?

      Chigga please.

      • Hacienda

        This Chigga loves Niggas like nighttime. Where would chinks and crackers be without our beloved niggers? Nowhere, that’s where.

        • You’re right. Everyone needs someone to look down on. Black people are like the dog that the frustrated office worker kicks when he gets home after another brutalizing day. A good outlet for displaced aggression. Kick the Black pet dog lying on the floor, after all, you can’t very well punch your boss.

          And why not? Everyone else is doing it.

      • Xera

        Ha ha ha ha ha ha, I can’t stop laughing you are the best Robert Lindsay.

        Although I don’t think that analogy with the black dog is right because all only the whites living in leafy houses can do that, the rest of them including the chigga’s have to deal with their athleticism and their popping caps, the chigga’s are perpetually stuck in the E.T zone due to their inability to drive properly, lack of any physical proficiency, and their perpetual foreigner status based on their weird looks causing them bamboo ceilings to shutten them in enterna chigga zone.

    • Don’t you understand, Hacienda-san.

      Look at ski.

      He’s White. He could have been a contender. He could have been somebody. He could have had class. Instead he’s just a bum, which is what he is, let’s face it.


      • Hacienda


        I told you. English is my Second Language. I’m just an ESL student with pretensions of knowing the white mind.

        The depths of white/black thing-ding-whoop-ass-motherfuck-kkk-oomph-ooga-luga the shit that’s been going down between you two for centuries. I’m just a newbie trying to find my way. Dead bodies black and white buried underneath me, everywhere and everyone too traumatized to show me the way.

        I really did think that ski, being the good Christian that he is would want to reveal the Jew hiding behind the enormous black jock-strap. Lift the yarmulke covering the black welfare masses. Shine a light on all dat. But, double crossed again. It’s true, two white minds in network beat one Asian, even if that Asian is a Korean.

    • Dota


      “”Non of this new age religion shit either. But one with the moral focus and intensity of the monotheistic religions, but somehow without the naked stupidity. “””

      If you read the Quranic polemics against Jews and Christian doctrine, you’d think that Muhammad had the same idea as you, but things didn’t work out exactly as planned =p

      Let’s hope you have better luck ;)

      • Hacienda

        “Let’s hope you have better luck.”

        Islam is the last true religion. Christianity is looking mighty sickly. Islam may be man’s last best hope for men. Christianity seems to be the last best hope for women.

        • Gay State Girl

          Based on what I said earlier, What do you think of the role of Jewish women?

        • Hacienda

          “What do you think of the role of Jewish women?”

          I don’t really what the Jewish role of women is. I’ve read
          parts of the old testament and that was so long ago.

          From what I know (not much), the roles seem very segregated, as
          all ancient beliefs about men and women have it. It seems
          like the men get the freedom and power, the women get
          the reproduction of Judaism itself. It’s a very civilized set up.
          I like it.

        • The role of Jewish women?

          Like all women. Prone. Next question?

        • Dota

          “”Islam is the last true religion.”””

          Depends on how you define ‘true’ of course. That part is debatable. I’d rephrase that sentence and say that it is the last Abrahamic religion that won’t go down without a fight.

          “Christianity seems to be the last best hope for women.”

          You’ll have to explain this to me. I might have an idea but I’m not making any assumptions.

        • Hacienda

          ” I might have an idea but I’m not making any assumptions.”

          I got nothing to add about it that isn’t well known already. Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female.

          Islam is manly. It’s got male dignity. At least enough of it. I’m for neither. I like it that both are polarized.

        • Gay State Girl

          “I got nothing to add about it that isn’t well known already. Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female.”

        • Gay State Girl


        • “I got nothing to add about it that isn’t well known already. Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female.”

          Jesus Christ. Pornstar. Do you think you’re what they say you are?

        • Dota


          “”Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female. “”

          lol at how you’ve put this. Some authors have described a sexual component to the female devotion to Jesus. I never knew what to make of it since I’ve never experienced Christianity from the inside. Islam was based on the old Bedouin values of honour and Chivalry which Muhammad was trying to protect from the excesses of Meccan mercantilism.

        • Amy

          Re: Dota and the sexualized aspects that may occasionally observed in Jesus worship (I’ve read some weird things about some nuns)–I suspect that, in part, this is one more thing that Christianity picked up from polytheistic religions–specifically, all those weird orgiastic Greek and Roman cults, e.g., Dionysus/Bacchus, Adonis, Orpheus, etc.

          There’s also the metaphor Jesus used of Himself as Bridegroom and the Church as the Bride, which has got to be discomfiting to many Christian men.

          In terms of male-female relations, though, according to the New Testament the husband is the head of the household. (The original Greek word, kephale, was also used to mean the “point man” in a military squadron.) Husbands have responsibilities of leadership in a Christian marriage. It’s not a feminist religion, at least not going by the contemporary definition of feminism, which blurs distinctions between men and women (except of course when men are being portrayed as oppressors or monsters). However, Christian wives are not treated like property, children, or slaves. There’s even a verse in the New Testament stating that if husbands do not treat their wives with respect their prayers will be hindered.

        • Dota

          @ Amy

          What you’ve said makes sense. I’ve come across Christian agony aunt forums online where Husbands are jealous of their wives’ devotion.

          But this is familiar

          Hindus worship the phallus (lingam) of the deity Shiva. I think it was Angana Chatterjee who also observed that some women rub their genitals against it to boost fertility. Remarkable how geographically diverse pagan cultures shared certain commonalities.

        • Maciano

          Fuck that shit. I don’t need Islam or 72 virgins in afterlife to live like a man today. Whatever happened to just living your life and having a bit of fun? Two kids and a dog is still possible whatever MRAs say. The West, for all its ills, still is a place where you can have fun, be yourself and be fairly well-off at the same time. You can do all sorts of hedonistic stuff and nobody gives a flying fuck out here. You prefer Islam over that?! I sure don’t.

          OTOH, you are right in your basic analysis. I always wondered why lefties, women or whatever progressive-alligned group always stand up for Islam, because Islam in the West would work out wonderfully for straight traditionalist white men. Ironically enough, it’s this group that fights hardest against it.

        • Priyamvada Jain

          Maciono, “I always wondered why lefties, women or whatever progressive-alligned group always stand up for Islam”

          We don’t. We stand up for religious liberty and freedom. We are not partial to Islam because Islam opposes religious liberty, but we support an individual’s right to choose whatever religion they fancy, even if its a morally, spiritually and intellectually bereft one. There is no accounting for taste, my friend.

          “because Islam in the West would work out wonderfully for straight traditionalist white men.”

          Islam would work out horrifically for the West. There is a tipping point of Muslim population before it starts to negatively effect the society as a whole and begins to infringe on the liberties of other citizens.

          If Christianity, Judaism or any other religion that’s on offer doesn’t appeal to you, then why not create your own?

        • If Christianity, Judaism or any other religion that’s on offer doesn’t appeal to you, then why not create your own?

          Great idea Lady Jain! I have a great idea for a religion of my own, which preaches global harmony and cultural unity. It is called Jizzlam. Unlike Islam, which seeks to conquer the infidels through jihad and fatwah, Jizzlam seeks to issue a jihad of sexual intercourse, where all the diverse and multicultural people can assimilate and get along with each other by becoming fuckbuddies. As Professor Robert Lindsay once said, “Once you lay in bed with the enemy, the war is over”. I think Jizzlam is a great idea for world unity.

          Or a second idea would be Crutchianity, or Jesus Christ on a crutch. What if,in a parallel universe, our Lord had been crucified on a crutch instead of a cross? And his dying words had been, “Go forth into the world, and become the crutch of your fellow man”? Unlike Christianity, which preaches eternal damnation in lieu of cannibalising upon the body of Christ, Crutchianity preaches an eternal world of peach for the future generations if our current ones get their shit together and work in harmony with all 7 billion of each other, effectively becoming the crutch of your fellow man. A wise man once said, “You scratch my back and I will scracth yours.” An even wiser man: Coward said, “You become my crutch and I will become yours.”

          So lay down your swords and turn your shields into giant plates, and let us all have a feast together for our new Wolfgang-approved religions of peach and unity. For there is only One God; Her name is Science, and Wolfgang is Her Prophet.

  24. An Unmarried Man


    Is Stephen Hawking just being modest?

    What is your I.Q.?

    I have no idea. People who boast about their I.Q. are losers.

    • Amy

      I expect he probably does know his IQ, but doesn’t consider it worth discussing.
      That line is probably even funnier when heard through his voice synthesizer. It’s oddly suited to his dry wit.

      • An Unmarried Man

        I stumbled across this because I was trying to back up my intuition about a correlation between intelligence and physical robustness. Stephen Hawking sorta killed that. Is it possible to be a nuclear physicist with a 105 IQ?

        • No.

          Hawking’s IQ is ~160. Something like that. I have seen it written up.

        • Amy

          “Is it possible to be a nuclear physicist with a 105 IQ?”
          Probably not, but I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to find I’m wrong about that.

          There’s intellectual robustness, physical robustness, emotional robustness, attitudinal robustness, robustness of character–many overlapping elements that either strengthen or handicap us. Some of us can overcome pain and other physical discomforts more easily than others. Likewise stress and other nervous/emotional discomforts.

        • Heynman’s IQ was supposedly only ~120 or so. James Watkins IQ is only ~117.

        • Hacienda

          “Is it possible to be a nuclear physicist with a 105 IQ?”

          Yes, but it would be an awful existence. Yo’du have to study 24/7 to only have the most basic ideas understood with no pleasure in actual feeling of mastery or skill or fluidity. The math would be incomprehensible and too fast for you to follow any lecture. You’d always feel a sense of nagging inadequacy and alienation. All the other nuclear physicists would treat you like a laughingstock. The only benefit of it is that you could say you are a nuclear physicist to your relatives. But it would be empty as they know your actual capacity.

        • An Unmarried Man

          The difference between an intercooled, turbocharged 2 liter 4-cylinder engine pumping out 300 horsepower and a normally aspirated V8 pumping out 305 horsepower. They both hit 60 in 5 seconds, but…

          Devotedly applied, yes, it’s possible. I think what will be missing is the innovation and discovery. I don’t believe the 105 IQ’d physicist will be able to extrapolate any groundbreaking theories from the existing models of string theory, etc. Intelligence is an ability to know and realize beyond what you know.

        • Hacienda

          ” I don’t believe the 105 IQ’d physicist will be able to extrapolate any groundbreaking theories from the existing models of string theory, etc. Intelligence is an ability to know and realize beyond what you know.”

          Live without delusions. The 105 IQ man belongs in nuclear physics, like
          a cripple belongs in the Olympic 100 meter final.

        • An Unmarried Man

          I’d be curious to see how that scenario would pan out. Has a deranged Monty Pythonesque feel to it.

        • Gay State Girl

          Or a testicular cancer survivor in a ‘shooting’ contest.

        • Hacienda

          “Heynman’s IQ was supposedly only ~120 or so. James Watkins IQ is only ~117.”

          Feyman’s verbal IQ is fairly modest. Mechanical and constrained. Watch a video of him. He has unusually great visualization skills. Won some junior math contests in record beating ways.

          Check out this video of Feynman. If this was your high school teacher talking you’d have a DOH! reaction. But this is the great Feynman so you go Damn that’s deep. LOL.

          Watson at 117? LOL, if that’s true, given some of his words of wisdom. Including his regret that he wasn’t born black and a pimp. Upon such assholes is Western civilization built.

        • An Unmarried Man

          Hacienda said “DOL!”

          Springfield Curve:

          Homer Simpson: 93
          Marge Simpson: 94
          Bart Simpson: 102
          Lisa Simpson: 111
          Maggie Simpson: 140 (est)
          Barney Gumble (adult): 87
          Burns: 147

        • Hacienda

          Gotham City:

          Batman: 170
          Robin 110
          Joker 120
          Alfred 80
          Riddler 140
          The Commissioner 75

          What’s your point hoss?

        • An Unmarried Man

          Why the point is that Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Höss and I have the same birthday, albeit, with 64 years of separation.

          And I think you gotta take 15 points from Batman and give them to the Joker.

        • Hacienda

          170 is low end already. His creation of the Batplane alone qualifies him for that at least. A technological wonder. Breathtaking.

          Joker never creates, he just steals things and throws smoke bombs and tells bad jokes. Just an uninspired mediocrity destined for no good.

      • An Unmarried Man

        But it can also be argued that perhaps his physical robustness has allowed him to survive so long with ALS. After all, his IQ obviously pre-dated his illness.

        • Amy

          I suspect his sense of humor has added years to his life. Pessimism is a killer–many studies back this up!

      • An Unmarried Man

        Batman sucks cock, but you got me :)

    • I’m a loser. And I’m not what I appear to be.

      • Tim Weir

        She was a girl in a million, my friend

      • An Unmarried Man

        Your post was really about how being extraordinarily intelligent is like having a harelip. Then everybody started bragging about he hideousness of their harelips :)

      • Hacienda

        “And I’m not what I appear to be.”

        You sound a lot different on the radio. Kinda flat and thoughtful. Don’t really hear the womanizer, lady-killer.

        In this kind of race-realist format, where posters tend to take on the identity of their race, religion, or ethnicity, they seem larger than life. Like statues.

  25. Gay State Girl

    Normans going to craft me an engagement ring out of spare thread of his prison uniform.

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  27. Yeun from SG

    Why not? If you are given that, why don’t happily accept the fact (even though it might not bring you any higher salary)

    I took Mensa’s IQ test about 12 years ago, certified with an IQ of 156 & found out recently that I am also a INTJ (being a INTJ woman is even more rare on this planet). There’s no wrong being a “Genius”. To me, Intelligence should help you find a way in making the communication “easy to understand” by any common people. Make full use of your gift to find your best method(s) to let the normal ppl get your point effectively. *let face it, the ppl we meet daily won’t just simply disappear, this is reality.

  28. Yeun from SG

    people become “idiots” when they too full of themselves & start thinking too highly of themselves that they are above all other living things…… **maybe they think they are immortals already….. what a shame….sigh

  29. Oh hallelujah! I loved reading this post. I was screaming YES and AMEN to myself repeatedly while reading, dammit, I almost cried a bit!
    I realize it’s been over a year since you wrote this, but you wrote a LOT and I’m trying to catch up!
    I used to have an IQ of 145 in my twenties. The last test I took was one by Illustrated Science and apparently I have gotten a lot dumber. 133. On the other hand I had primary hyperparathyroidism at the time and my brain has been feeling unusually muddled these past few years, although it’s been taken care of now. Well, the hyperparathyroidism at least.
    I have this love/hate relationship with my brain. I love how quickly I learn which gives me the time to learn even more. But that’s pretty much all I love about it.
    I hate that my brain never shuts up, always needs to over analyze everything, usually adding depressive gloom to the analysis so that the final product comes out way more negative than necessary.
    I hate the OCD!
    I hate the feeling of isolation. Like I’m not really part of the human race because no human seems to understand me in the slightest. For some reason I have always felt inadequate, like I’m the one who’s not doing a good enough job explaining.
    I don’t fit in. Never have. Society is built for the people of average intelligence since they are in majority. For the below average ones there’s a safety net in most cases. I wish there was one for the above average ones. I may be smart but that is in NO way helpful in trying to get through this confusing concept called life! I’m on disability and have been for 20 years! And I’m 40!
    It SO doesn’t help with men! Men could not be any less interested in your IQ, they just want you to be happy and grateful and horny.
    Oh, and then there is that shame thing. You’re supposed to NEVER EVER EVER mention that you happen to have a high IQ because WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You so much as mention it once and you are a stuck up bitch who is looking down her nose at others.
    What you wrote about people always misunderstanding you… Yeah, I’m starting to get it. It’s not me, it’s them. I can explain until the cows come home but if I do that for a while and they still don’t get it then they start feeling like I might think that they are dumbasses (which I do although I try to stretch my patience and contain my frustration in order to hide my thoughts on the matter) in which case they respond with aggression and abuse to show me that I have no business coming here and blah blah blah…
    There is zero winning with a high IQ. Yes, I concede, some seem to be able to make it work for them, but I am completely oblivious as to how! I think there must be another factor. Something separate from just intelligence. A quality, a gene. I tend to think of it as the chess gene. High IQ people are known for being such masters at chess. I suck HARD at chess! I completely lack the ability to plan 19 steps ahead and manipulate the situation. I know plenty of people with significantly lower IQs than mine who have this ability. They float through life. Everything seems so smooth for them. They even rock at chess which of course convinces them that I’m in reality a dumbass since I can’t beat the first level of a chess game against the computer….
    Maybe I’m the only high IQ person that lacks the chess gene, I don’t know. It’s just something I’ve been pondering.
    I know I’m not mistaken. I have taken enough IQ tests in my, even the Mensa one, to know that I’m at least around 140. But sadly, I will always remain a loser at life.
    Anyway, thank you so much for this post! It was a very necessary one! :)

  30. Joule Ruse

    It seems you need to vent once in awhile. I can dig that, man.

    Say, you ever try focusing on emotional reciprocity in interpersonal exchange as opposed to intellectual capacities?

    You may find that they have a few strengths where you have a few weaknesses.

    And also, when this frustration happens, if it does still go on, maybe you could consider other factors aside from intelligence, to help you grow in patience rather than in anger.

    Like…processing speed…the ability to reduce uncertainty…learning disorders…so it goes.

    Your estimations may often be more inaccurate than you presume.

    And lastly, consider the concept that a high IQ has nothing to do with communicative intelligence. That is, people and street smarts. Have you considered that you’re kinda socially inadequate? and that that has nothing to do with general and abstract intelligence?

  31. Pete

    “I must honestly say that my brains have never done my much of any good, and any good they have done has been massively counteracted by all of the negative stuff. They’ve turned off way more women than they turned on. They’ve hardly made me a nickel. They openly and objectively turn off the vast majority of people I meet. They’re essentially useless as far as making a good show in the interpersonal world and the world of money and success, or maybe worse than useless, an actual hindrance.”

    I can relate to all but the money, I am doing well making money by making websites and online marketing, intelligence does convert to cold hard cash if your doing it right, the only thing is, I have to dumb down all the creative stuff (generic and simple has mass appeal).

    ” Worse, they are getting a 100% inaccurate message from what I am communicating. Often the message they are getting is the exact opposite of what I am communicating. It’s very common that people claim I am communicating a view that I actually hate.”

    This ^ is the worst, happens a lot and sometimes it’s just too awkward to correct people. My really dumb friends often repeat something that was just said on tv or by someone else, but use different words that totally mess up the meaning of what was said. The worst part is they are usually stubborn about the “facts” they have learned through such misunderstandings.

    “It’s true. When you’re as smart as I am, a good 85% of the people you meet day in and day out seem like total fucking drooling retarded ass pinheads. They’re so stupid and so incapable of understanding that you’re almost afraid to even talk to them because half the stuff you say is either misunderstood or not comprehended at all.”


    I have very stupid friends and it’s refreshing to hear someone who experiences the same things I do. Dumb people often think I’m the idiot because I usually cant make much conversation with them and it can be discouraging for me, sometimes I even worry I have a mental illness. But to hear the same things from you reassures me of my sanity in this crazy world. Sometimes I honestly fear for the stability of society.

    • Revel8

      You have a right to fear for the stability of society, as it’s not stable. The reincarnation of Rome is about to fall. Yes, the American empire. The deflationary crash of ’08 hasn’t ended just because they pumped a massive amount of temporary inflationary stimulus into the system…

      On top of that we have an ongoing nuclear disaster which will be gushing immensely radioactive water into the pacific ocean for decades. If not centuries. We already seem to be seeing the “mysterious” mass die offs in the Pacific. And they haven’t even removed the spent fuel rods yet either…

      What moron decided to put a damn nuclear power plant on one of the most geologically active spots on the planet? This may very well have doomed nearly all life on this planet as we know it. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the human species is dead or dying in the next 20-30 years. If something goes wrong in removing the extremely delicate spent fuel rods, it may be sooner than that.

      Add to that the fall of the American empire which will now come as a partial result of Fukushima and the world war it’s likely to generate, there’s not much to be hopeful for as far as the stability of humanity is concerned.

  32. Rose

    This resonated with me. My I.Q. is also 147 and I do not feel that I can communicate effectively with the majority of the population. I have also been intrigued by the link between intelligence and alcoholism.

    • Big G

      I here you. I can watch something , wether sports of political and the majority sees something else. I need to be around a different crowd. im 145 and I seem to be alone in this world. where are all the smart people I want to talk to.

  33. Pretentious

    So pretentious. You’re using your score on an intelligence test as a cop-out for your poor social skills. If you are in fact a genius, as you somewhat conceitedly proclaim, then you’ll have no problem finding ways to communicate fluidly and intelligently with other people.

    • All right, you are banned.

    • Revel8


      “When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.”
      - Jonathan Swift

      Including you, Pretentious.

      “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.”
      - Albert Einstein

      It’s not necessarily that his social skills are poor; it’s more likely that everyone else’s are. Including yours, Pretentious.

    • Robert Jackson

      My IQ is high I can communicate quit well with people when I want to. The only thing I hate is most people call me crazy once they get to know me.

  34. John

    Mr. Lindsay,

    I ran across this while doing a Google search today.

    I have scanned your comments policy. I am here to attack the thinking in this blog post, starting with your opening sentence. I’ll be polite, but given the nature of this post I will have to speculate some about you. I’ll try to limit that.

    First, my background, as it applies to this post: IQ taken by academics using WISC-R in my youth: 135. My mother is an English professor at a Big Ten university; my father was a direct hire of the board of a Fortune 500. I have been around very intelligent people my entire life. My mother’s current partner is an Oxford-educated professor of philosophy and the author of the Oxford textbook in his given field of expertise. He’s no slouch.

    You open by declaring yourself a genius, based on an IQ score. I looked at the Oxford definition of what a genius is and it didn’t mention IQ score at all. That’s something to think about.

    Taken further: one commenter on this very post suggested you take the IQ exam again, to which you replied “Fuck it, I got my nice scores, I ain’t taking any more tests. Besides, I took a lot of drugs in the meantime LOL.” With that statement you seem to acknowledge the possibility that you may not have an IQ of 147 anymore, and that (based on your own reasoning) you may not be a genius at this time.

    The first salient word in your article is “value”. You say your brains never did you any good, and then go on to imply that them doing you good would mean them bringing value into your life in the form of money and women. You say “they” (your brains) never did this, never did that, turned off women, etc. I only offer: nobody sees your brain. People see your body, and hear your voice. Your brains didn’t “do” anything. It’s true: they have no inherent value. Only what you do with your brain is valued by others.

    Why? Because people value what they can possess, and you can’t give them your brain.

    So whatever it is you’re offering to people (to women, in exchange for their company, and to all people, in exchange for their money) is not of enough value. People don’t want to barter with you because you aren’t offering enough in return. It’s that simple. People will always snap up a great deal.

    From value we can get to power and to attraction (which applies in women and in business), but I’ll skip that: it’s implied, and it follows.

    You go on to say that “Most people think if they can’t understand you, that you must be either weird, crazy or possibly evil or criminal in some way.”

    I agree, but let’s reverse it: have you ever been IQ < 100? How can you assume that you understand those people? How can you understand what it's like to "be like everyone else?"

    To conclude: you haven't creatively transformed your asset into value that others can use. Many, many, many creative people have been able to do this. Stevie Wonder certainly did, as did Einstein, and the list goes on.

    I'll be interested to read your reply, if it is thoughtful. I'll definitely be checking back.

  35. Derek Mason

    My IQ is only 115, but I got a near perfect score on my SAT and make nearly 100,000 dollars a year while working only 5 hours a day at an operating room. This just goes to show you that neither IQ nor genetics=destiny, and effort and environment are the predominant factors in an individual’s success.

    • Robert Jackson

      Yeah I don’t read to deeply into the IQ scores and tests. They really are just an educated guess based on some theory someone came up with.

  36. Eric

    On point John. You need to relax Robert and join a sport, get outdoors and stop smoking weed that shit will fuck with your head in the long term.

  37. Mike Surname

    Tested at 138 on Weschler and 141 on Ravens advanced progressive matrices. I work in a warehouse. I managed to teach myself calculus at 13 years old. I consider that my greatest life achievement to date lol.

    Everyone calls me weird at work all day long while simultaneously avoiding me like the plague. I can’t talk to anyone at work about anything. Often they do not understand any of the words i use. The communicative gap you mentioned that becomes readily apparent with a 30 point gap is the bane of my existence.

    I suppose I could try and find meaningful social interaction at some artificially constructed group like mensa that narrowly concentrates IQ.

    It really sucks when you see that humanity doesn’t have more than 200 years left on this planet before the inevitable regression back into tribalism due to mass ecocide. Oh, and the sporadic and episodic bouts of existential depression and seeing the logic in suicide is always fun.

    Having a high IQ fucken sucks. Be thankful if you’re stupid is what i say.

  38. Basit

    I found out quite early that I was a bit – well, quite a lot – more gifted than most of my peers. Per the adults I grew up around I learnt that I showed a significant presence of mind that most of my peers didn’t. Talk about I.Q. tests? I’m a high 166 (Weschler). I won’t pretend. Being smart is amazing. I like to think I possess the most important, basic skills: lingual mastery and logical prowess. That is to say my speech is near flawless, interesting and full of rich grammar. I am currently writing a book series, by the way. I,m no Sherlock Holmes but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone whose powers of deduction and induction rival mine.
    It’s good to have good ideas flowing into your mind all the time (I am quite imaginative) but there is the slight price of being misunderstood. It happens to me all the time and grammar that seems very basic to me ends up being the pivot around which people would sooner turn away from me than be made to look unintelligent. Not my fault but there it is. In my opinion that is a price I have no problem paying. I am not very sociable, anyway, and would sooner have my thoughts for companion.

    • Thank you very much for this.

      • Ambrose D. Roger

        My IQ is 134 and this is no deterrent to having a social life. Just find a bunch of high IQ friends and discuss politics or science with them. You can always join a high IQ society or find high IQ friends online. There are 30 million people with IQ’s over 130, sure you could find one if you look hard enough. Sadly, this limits 130±’ers to 3% of the world popupation, and the artifically inflated high IQ’ers (CHINKS!) are no fun to conversate with.

    • Robert Jackson

      I think IQ can be used by those who posses it in what ever way interests them the most. One person with an IQ of 160 might be shitty with language but great with math. I see higher IQ as something that makes it easier for a person to hone whatever skill they are interested in the most. Not every Genius who is interested in Physics is interested in language, however if they wanted to they could be.

      I don’t put much stock into IQ test results, I think it helps maybe show that one person may have the ability to learn things much more quickly than another but I don’t think testing skills is any way to measure IQ. Testing how quickly a person can learn skills would be a more accurate way to judge IQ.

  39. Ambrose D. Roger

    With a 147 IQ, you could make good money if you put in some effort. In my opinion, high IQ+mild psychopathy=high success. CEO’s are the occupation with the highest rate of psychopathy and the highest rate of top 1% percentil IQ occurrence. 147 puts you above the top 1st percentil so if you are just willing to be a mild psychopath and do some backstabbing, manipulation, and fucking over, you could very well make some decent cha-ching. However, you don’t sound like the type that is willing to screw ppl over.

  40. JMO

    Thank you for your article. My mother recently told me “I didn’t acknowledge how smart I was”, she told me my tested IQ was 147… Your article helped me realize I wasn’t crazy. In the work place people pretend I am the one who doesn’t get it, even though I’m thinking steps ahead and can’t believe they really can’t see what I am talking about, it’s befuddling. In addition, the lack of basic reading comprehension this email era can be infuriating. No matter what. Thank you. I don’t feel alone or crazy. So thank you.

  41. upanddown

    I had an IQ test done. 138. Then I was diagnosed as Bipolar and put on a shitload of medication. I felt numb, so stupid. I had another IQ test done, just to see how far I had fallen– it was 147. Basically I see it like this: if you can’t change the situation, change your mind. If you think everyone is an idiot, then they are going to BE idiots, but if you expect them to be living, breathing human beings, then they are pretty okay. I don’t expect anyone to understand me. I tell my students that having a high IQ is all very well and good but if you are neurotic, it is all for nothing. Use your brains for love, man. <3

  42. I didn’t know i was all that much smarter then most until college. I didn’t have to study in k-12 to get by, so i didn’t. I thought i wasn’t much good at conversing since many couldn’t figure out what i was talking about, so i clammed up. Then I got motivated and graduated with honors in comp sci. Rose to top at work too. Managed to figure out how to dumb it down. After all i could figure out what dumb dumbs where ‘thinking’, had to plan ahead a bit and keep it stupid simple. Works ok, but is tiresome and as rewarding as a sunburn. Usually takes little more than initial contact to figure out how low i had to go. But get yacking with another sharp engineer and i can rattle on and on. Took IQ test dozen or so years back and i too have an IQ of 147. I’m fortunate to have found an excellent career for my personalty type and IQ. Most others are reasonably smart and the subject matter is confined. Still pretty much keep my yap shut tho.

  43. JessicaGiovanna

    *sigh* thank you so much for writing this. I often feel so misunderstood.

  44. Austin

    Interesting look at society Robert. While I don’t agree on all the points I like the perspective. My IQ is roughly the same as yours, 145 or something around that. As you probably know IQ can go up, and down with time, and is not static, but mine over the last few years has held around there, give or take a couple points.

    I know what you mean about it being difficult to communicate, but there are ways around it. It’s difficult though, because then you find yourself explaining things all the time, and when you finally do talk to someone actually intelligent, you sound insulting. aaaa communication. Think about this though, have you heard of the Flynn effect? Basically it shows that average IQ goes up in time, so I find it interesting to think about how the English language was possibly created by morons, if they indeed had such low IQ’s.

    As for how Genius pertains to wealth, and women, I like to think it’s like a tool. Like any tool say for instance a truck, it can be used for whatever. You can leave it parked in the garage collecting rust, or you can use it to haul hay or do other things. Like high IQ which is just a tool. A means to an end, it’s not a hindrance, unless you can’t afford the insurance payments that is. Good and bad, these things can coexist. There are many bad aspects of stupidity as well, death I would think being high on the list.

    Also just one last thing, I hope that you know that intelligence comes from the mother. So saying that women are not as smart as men is provably false, because we received our intelligence from women. Pretty mind blowing I know. Check out this link.


    • Robert Jackson

      These theories and Ideas on where intelligence and many other things come from change constantly, none of it is pure fact. I can tell you the mother of my father was not a genius. I am not sure if the mother of my grandfather was or not.
      They just discovered that Humans actually have 24 chromosomes and that could explain heritability. They have even discovered that our genetic code is made up of more than one language, they know there is at least two languages, one built on top of the other. Genes turn on and off from generation to generation.

  45. Robert–loved the post, hit spang on, thanks!

    I run 140 +/- 5 (depending on drugs consumed lately). To me this means I make mistakes 40% faster than the average dude. At least that gives me more time to recover, right?

    OR DOES IT??!?

    I’m a city bus driver. I’m good at it, too. I drive the **** outta that bus 5 days a week. Great career choice, huh?

    If you ask me something about my transit system, you ask me for directions, you ask me where the bus stop for the route 69 is, I’m your man. You ask me anything else and I have to make a judgement call about you.

    (Well, truly, sometimes it takes me a couple of tries to describe where the route 69 stop is. I mean, really? What part of “turn right at the corner” did you fail to understand the first time?)

    Usually my riders like to talk about sports. I don’t give a shit about sports myself, so I have some canned responses. Like:

    Dude: “Do you thing Surname will do good things for the Team this year?”
    Me: “Sure. But he really has to WANT it.”
    Dude: “Wow! Man, are you right!”

    I send out little probes, of course. I quip wise, I flirt carefully (I’m a public employee…gotta watch that!) Once in a while I strike gold. Once in a great while…

    Anyway, thanks for giving voice to my frustrations!

  46. I can’t tell you enough how much I enjoyed this article. I have an I.Q. of 148. I’m 29 years old an until recently I never was very interested in I.Q. when I started to get older more n more things started to make sense to me as to why the situation was happening that I was in or the outcome of something. Relationships ruined cause of not being able to communicate with my girlfriends. I actually just read up on a list of 5 things geniuses are prone to n I fell into all 5 groups. Staying up all hours of the night, depression, bad health, drug n alcohol abuse and paying attention to detail. Sometimes I feel so alone cause nobody understands me. Every woman I’ve been with has left me because I hold such strong point of views. I think something ia common sense while someone else Doesn’t know what the hell I’m even talking about. I feel like its a curse. I’ve done nothing productive with my I.Q. besides argue with every person I know. Its yet to bring me any good fortune an I’m beginning to hate it. Other characteristics associated with genius is lieing, I’m the biggest liar to my friends. Not having children cause its not a fitting situation. ..this summer my most recent ex gf was pregnant n I decided an abortion was the intelligent thing to do because we wernt where we wanted to be in life needless to say she left me. I don’t know what to do I don’t wanna live this way amymore.

    • I am a genius too, but I do not lie a tremendous amount. I do when it seems to be the best thing to do in the situation. Mostly these are white lies but not always.

      There is no reason to push strong points of view on people. I am a genius too but I do not push my POV on people. No agrees with me about anything anyway, so why bother? That said, you really do need to stick to your guns sometimes.

      No reason to be suicidal. I am 56 years old and I haven’t killed myself yet and honestly I do not think I ever will. Life isn’t always the best, but the alternative seems so much worse.

    • Guy

      Mr. Lindsay, with all due respect, I don’t believe that as a group individuals with relatively high IQs find life more challenging and less rewarding than those with average or relatively low ones. My psychologist-administered test score is 148, and I most definitely do not consider myself a genius; Stephen Hawking is a genius. It also would never occur to me to volunteer my score to anyone; frankly, I cannot even imagine a context in my social environment in which the subject would come up—it would be like volunteering your salary or how beautiful people think you are, both of which would be just as gauche in western society as offering up that one scores in genius range on an IQ test or tests. I am fortunate to have wonderful friends and a fulfilling career, and I have been in two long-term relationships that span virtually my entire adult life (I’m 52). I’m very curious and revel in my ability to process information quickly and understand complex issues. In my interactions with others, do I sometimes perceive that I’m quicker, know more, have a better vocabulary, etc., than others? Yes, but that doesn’t make me see them as inferior, just different. Does this perceived disparity in quantifiable intelligence impede my ability to have a rich and full life? Not in the least. In fact, I see it as a gift for which I’m tremendously grateful. If I have one regret it’s that I’m just smart enough to know how limited I am in terms of my ability to think and comprehend at a truly high level. It’s like being given just one bite of an especially luscious piece of cake and knowing that’s all I’ll ever get. In any case, I sincerely hope that you can find ways to appreciate your gift of intelligence, rather than using it as a scapegoat for what you think is wrong with your life, and in particular, how others perceive you. I think you could be a much happier person if you searched for answers inside rather than outside of yourself.

  47. Revel8

    “The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius.”
    - Oscar Wilde

    I agree with you Robert, you can have such a comprehension of subjects that those without the same level of comprehension often just can’t relate. The average person typically can relate to only what they know. And if they don’t know what you’re saying, it can be much more difficult for them to relate to you.

    At this early point in human history, success in most areas is built upon relationships. When you’re so smart in areas that others can’t relate to you, it can be difficult to build many of those success-building relationships.

    My own experience seems to be nearly exactly the same as yours. I’ll tell people one thing, yet they’ll interpret it as me saying the exact opposite. It seems that often times those in the general populace have so many irrational prejudices that if you don’t fit into one of these prejudices, they try to make you fit.

    It’s enough to make one avoid social contact in near totality. And that’s what I did. At around the year 2005, I had enough of it. The irrational redundancy of social interaction at this early point in human history was easier for me to avoid than to participate in.

    This isolation was also driven in part by my formulation of a new macroeconomic theory which accurately predicted the housing, stock market, and dollar crashes in relation to commodities like gold and silver. I warned nearly everyone I knew about these upcoming events. And what did I get for doling out such sage economic advice? I got called dozens of names, mostly amounting to me being an idiot. Even my own grandmother said I should stop being so pessimistic. As if pessimism had anything to do with it.

    So with virtually no support for my ideas, with no understanding of them, I just stopped desiring social interaction. With nearly everyone. Including my family. I haven’t been to a Thanksgiving or Christmas in about a decade. I have little desire going out in public as the public demands I be something that I’m not.

    I agree with you. At this point in human history, it’s often better to be around average than exceptional in an intellectual sense.

    “When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.”
    - Jonathan Swift

    P.S. Have you by chance seen the movie Idiocracy Robert? If you haven’t, you might just enjoy it as much as I did.

  48. Robert Jackson

    LMFAO this article kind of sums it. I love this.

    “Robert, does 85% of the population really seem to total fucking drooling retards?”

    I always say “It amazes me that 90% of the people on this planet can put a fork to their fucking mouth and feed themselves”

    I am always saying how “Most people are just one step up from being drooling retards. So yes most people seem like drooling retards, I feel bad for them. I also have often wished I was just normal, I could live a much simpler life and not have to analyze every last fucking thing I see or hear. I would probably have been married by now and had a family too.

    I know in the near future I am going to have to force myself to meet someone and start a family, I want to do that before I die. I have always had a problem meeting women. Well dating them, I do good at meeting them because I was lucky to be born attractive. My problem is I turn them all into friends because I over analyze shit and can never figure out if they like me or not? I mean honestly if a female doesn’t just come out and say it or take their cloths off I am totally lost.

    I did have a long term relationship of nearly 3 years. She would always get upset because everything was so easy for me. She would get sad that I could look at something and know how to do it. She would say being with me made her feel like a retard, not because of how I treated her, but the fact we were together constantly and she saw how insanely easy everything was for me to figure out.

    And yeah trying to figure out what to talk to a female about is seriously hard, even with a really intelligent female. I have a knack for saying the wrong shit or putting things too bluntly, I am just not good at lying because that requires to many fucking calculations of what could happen.

    And the whole thing about people interpreting what you say the wrong way is 100% on, everyone has always called me crazy. I just finished telling someone that if I had to explain every little detail of every fucking thing I say just so that people can understand it then I’d be wasting a whole lot of time, so I just say Fuckem and move on. And people rarely catch my sarcasm.

    When I was 11 for example, I was sent to have a psychiatric evaluation. I told the doctor about DNA and how scientists were working on cloning a sheep, I told them about nano technology and how nanobots would be used in medicine in the future, I told them about all kinds of shit.

    When I was 10/11/12 etc. I was reading Discover, Popular Science, Popular mechanics, the NASA publication and other related content, while other people were reading shit like the Hardy Boys and struggling to understand basic fucking science

    That is why siting in a class hearing lame shit 10000 times bored the hell out of me and they wouldn’t let me read books or magazines in class that I liked.

    College wasn’t much better. I’d go in with a hangover and make a 100, then when the tests were handed back I’d get pissed that the teacher gave 10 to 15 points back to everyone but me because they felt since so many dipshits did so poorly. They would tell me that 100 is the highest score you can get, I once said then why don’t you keep track of all my extra points and let me skip one of these useless tests and give me the 100 I always get. I did work out a deal with my professors so that I didn’t have to come to class. I’d just get my list of assignments and either email them in or take them then leave. There was no way I could sit there and listen to the professor cover the shit that is in a book that I was 100% capable of picking up and reading and figuring out myself.
    And listening to the wrong answers in a college course was worse to me than nails on the chalk board. I was so glad they allowed me to not have to show up, THANK GOD.
    I graduated with a 4.0Gpa in accounting, but found that subject to be as dull as watching grass grow, I was the only one in my graduating class to graduate with a 4.0, all I did was do the damn homework.

    Since I was bored with Accounting, I went back for Computer Science, I had a 4.0Gpa for the first 2.5 years. I got a 95 in one class which dropped my GPA to 3.98 because of how the college calculated the GPA. I still had the highest GPA out of 7,000 IT students. I dropped out to build a website with my newly found skills in hopes that it would either make me money or get me a decent job, so I could later go back to school.

    I love Computer Science because it challenges me, I have to constantly research things. I get to use my brain to solve complex problems daily, that is really fun. I dropped out about 2 years ago to pursue a project, however once the project is done and I have money I plan on going back to finish my degree in Computer science. I’d also like to study electrical engineering. I used to read about electrical engineering concepts as a kid and loved the electronic kit I bought from Radio shack.

    It is sort of hard to go from reading and studying scientific subjects and other things to having a conversation with some one about some moronic shit like sports. Sports are useless.

    Another thing that has been a problem is that I am the kind of person that can look at most mechanical objects and almost immediately understand how they work. This leads to people always asking me if I can fix shit. I feel bad if I say no, plus curiosity can get the best of me. I love taking shit apart, I always have.

    I think most geniuses are introverts because they find things to study and research. It is depressing to think about all of the things you could learn and realizing you only have xxxxxxxx hours of life to learn about as many things as you can, and then realizing that you will have to choose which ones to learn about, then trying to figure out which ones you want to learn. Why read some fictional shit when you can pick up a book about something that is real, something you can investigate further? I’ve never understood why people read novels and fictional shit.

    I wish more people would study and learn more things. It is said that a persons IQ can be increased by around 20 to 25 points by reading and learning new things. Considering that the average IQ is 100 this means there are quite a few below 100, adding 10 or 20 points might help, from 100 to 120 is helpful too. I read a funny post earlier, this person had asked how they can turn themselves into a genius. I about fell out of my seat laughing. I believe it is mostly genetic, my father, grandfather and great grandfather were geniuses all with IQ’s ranging from 165 to 185. My great grandfather was a petroleum engineer, my grandfather was a chemical engineer and my father was an accountant.
    When I met my dad and grandfather at 15 I was surprised how much we were alike, the shit we would say about people when no one could here us etc.

    I try to remind myself I am gifted and lucky for that and try to be nice to slow people. I am never purposely mean and I try to be nice to everyone.

    I’ve been alone in a room for about 5 years now, reading and learning, but also because I am not employed and have had zero luck finding a job since I worked for myself from 18 to 28, I have no work history to put on my resume other than that. The interviews I did get they seemed to not be able to get over the fact I wanted a job and didn’t want to start another business. But this situation should all change soon if my website actually works out.

      • Robert Jackson

        The last time I told what my IQ was on a website/blog, I was ridiculed and called a troll and told there is no way my IQ is what it is because only xxx amount of people on the planet have one in that range… blah blah blah shit blah.

        After all of the many, many days of testing I was told I read and comprehended at the rate of someone who was 24/25 who had been in college for at least 2.5 years. I had about an 85% photographic memory and that my IQ was 192. I was about 12.

        The results didn’t make sense to me until I met my real father and his father and learned they had extremely high IQ’s. My father even though his IQ was 165 had little common sense and was the absolute opposite of mechanically inclined.

        I am extremely mechanically inclined. I feel I sort of lack in the vocabulary section, but that is probably because I don’t read fiction, that shit is a waste of time. I read all reference material and it typically does not have the same vocabulary as fiction books and many IQ tests focus on vocabulary that people would pick up from reading fiction. I don’t really have an urge to improve my English vocabulary as I plan on learning Spanish soon. I’d rather learn a foreign language than try to improve my English vocab by either reading fiction or just memorizing new word definitions. I don’t really agree with most IQ tests and how they test learned skills instead of the speed that one can learn new skills. To me the speed a person can learn new skills is a better judgement of IQ than what someone already knows.

        I was tested because I got in a lot of trouble for answering questions out loud and making jokes. I started reading at about 3. My parents played music on my mothers stomach while she was pregnant, they started teaching me to read when I was a few months old. My toys as a kid were a map of the USA a Speak N spell and flash cards. So by the time I started school I was already far beyond most kids

        I’ve always done pretty good at making friends. I don’t have a problem being nice to people and making small talk, I try not to analyze shit too much, but that can be hard when I am talking to a beautiful female. I’ve gotten over that shit though, nothing that anger and determination can’t fix. Now that I’ve grown up I learned that all these girls I was just friends with actually liked me at one time and thought I was rejecting them. I feel like a fucking idiot for not being able to pickup on hints that women like me. LOL I feel very fortunate that I am fairly attractive and I can meet women, but stupid as shit that I can’t quite figure out if they like me, plus I try to be a nice guy and not look at women as sexual objects.

        I don’t do so good at having like day to day conversations with people, but that is no big deal. I mean my interests are different than other peoples regardless of my IQ or theirs. I do prefer talking to people of higher intelligence though. I once had an awesome conversation with some Government defence scientists negative ION propulsion and how it works. I found that to be very interesting.

        I like being around people, but mostly if we are going to do something, I don’t like sitting around doing nothing just to be around people. I’d rather go home and read something about Database design theory. I do enjoy outdoor activities and always have. I did all of the exgame sports growing up, I don’t know shit about foolsball or baseball or any of that. I am paying the price physically for all of my outdoor activities now though.

        I enjoy fishing with people, 4 wheeling, mudding, and other activities from time to time. I get frustrated with humanity and most humans in general, but I don’t display it outside of my house. I try not to hurt peoples feelings.

        I feel very fortunate to have such a high IQ it gives me many more opportunities in life that I wouldn’t have if my IQ was average. Many problems in IT and Comp Sci subjects require you to think long and hard to develop a solution. Often you have to go over the steps in your head to envision how something will work, I do that with notes and other software as well. The human brain can only think about somewhere along the line of 7 steps in depth.

        I don’t really regret having a high IQ other than the fact it can get a little lonely some times and people can frustrate you, especially with stupid questions that defy logical thinking. The one thing that makes me feel bad is when I get closer to people, friends, family etc. and they are trying to do something and I can see immediately that what they are going to do won’t work. I often fight telling them that I don’t think their plan will work because I don’t want to hurt their feelings by showing my intelligence and predicting their failure. I have had to learn to not intervene or give my opinion in order to not come off as a narcissistic self absorbed asshole who thinks he is superior.

        Even though I feel most people are drooling mental retards, the only person that has ever heard me say anything is my mother. It is not my high IQ that bothers me it is the fact that so many other people don’t have a higher IQ and I have to witness it.

        It makes me sad that more people don’t have a higher IQ. I hate watching people struggle with things. I tutored all through college, I tutored over 40 courses in Accounting and Computer Science. I also tutored special needs kids when I was younger. I loved tutoring because I could help people who were struggling, mostly because the way I solve problems is usually drastically different than how most people solve problems. I have been able so many times to explain subjects to people who were seriously struggling and 99% of the time the ways I showed them were absolutely nothing like what their instructor or books were trying to teach them. I showed them simple ways, ways they would remember. I had many people come to me after tests and tell me they aced the test and thank me for showing them the tricks to solve the problems in a simple way.

        I literally destroy any subject I want to learn. I can’t wait to get back to college and take Calculus, statistics and discrete math and finish my degree. I love learning, the problem is deciding what I want to learn, I hate that life is so short and there are so many things I won’t get to research and learn, that makes me sad.

        I would really love to meet a woman with a High IQ who is attractive. I’ve seen them and met them I know they exist, some are smoking fucking hot too. I will be trying dating sites. I think that would work better for me since I would know that if I met the woman on a dating site and we were dating that she was interested in me. Finding things to talk about can be hard, I fear that I will come off as some really smart guy who is intelligent but self absorbed. I have learned to let others speak more and to talk less. That is a must when talking to a woman, and you better be able to talk about what ever it is she is talking about too. LOL

        I know that many women who liked me that I didn’t know liked me liked me because I was smart. Women like smart men as long as they don’t act like they are superior or try overly hard to impress them with what knowledge they have. Other than that I have to be careful of what I say, I don’t lie, I don’t beat around the bush, I don’t sugar coat shit, I just say it and the truth can be brutal sometimes. I’ve learned I have to be with someone whose IQ is at least near 120 or higher or once they get to know me they may feel dumb.

        The only other thing that disappoints me is that people tend to call me crazy once they get to know me because I open up more and my mouth filter gets removed and shit just comes out as I see it. Some people think the shit I say is funny, even when I am not trying to be funny. Most can’t tell when I am being sarcastic, but when I rethink about some things I can understand why. I have a sense of humor but not everyone shares it with me. LOL

        I hope to do some more research on IQ test and take a few in the next year or two, real tests not online shit guessing tests. Who knows maybe I’ll meet my future wife if I run into a hot psychiatrist who is intelligent. But then I’d be with someone who analyzes me as much as I analyze others, then I may need to analize her. LMMFAO

    • Beatrix

      Find a way to keep working for yourself & make it pay.
      Trust me, working for other people sucks.

      • Robert Jackson

        I am actually nearly finished coding a fairly unique website that should probably take off fairly well. I have been coding it for about 2 years. It is nearly 4,000 files in size and will be well over 5,000 on completion.
        I literally went to college to learn the skills I needed to build this site and I dropped out with my new skills and went at it. I feel insanely lucky to have a high enough IQ to be able to do this and to just learn complicated subjects so seriously fast. If not for my IQ there is no way I could do what I am doing.

        I read an article the other day about the habits and qualities of the most successful people. I was astounded to read that every highly successful person has at least an IQ of 130.


        • That’s dubious stuff, man. BI’s specific wording was No one who changed the world had an IQ under 130… which is too ambiguous to be anything but malarkey. Reading that made me wonder if Anthony Robbins was peaking over my shoulder LOL!

        • Robert Jackson

          it is interesting but it makes you wonder how far back is the research going? I mean do they know what the IQ of someone was hundreds of years ago? Maybe they mean in modern times? Also what is their definition of changing the world or success?

        • It’s like some catch-all gimmicky phrase with no grounding in reality. It’s a complex, multi-layered global puzzle we live in now and it’s difficult to “change the world” or whatever that means. Perhaps the 130 threshold is more appropriate now than it was in 1740.

        • Nowadays most folks who are “changing the world” are doing things like what Osama bin Laden did on 9-11.

          You are damn right he changed the world that day!

        • Robert Jackson

          Yeah just wait. soon Iran will have a nuke or several and they will change the world too.

  49. Matt D

    This is such an obvious case of self-deception as a means of compensation for likely a lack of intelligence and / or social awkwardness. Your article is not only full of grammatical errors but very undistinguished in both vocabulary and context. Your overtly sexist point-of-view is most likely a defense mechanism to protect yourself against hurt feelings from a lifetime of rejection from the opposite sex. Furthermore if you have a 147 IQ, don’t suffer from a mental or physical disability and can’t make any money then YOU are the one who is a retard.

    I do agree it is more difficult to communicate with persons with a significantly lower IQ, however, an intelligent person can recognize and adjust his/her method of communication to effectively converse with most individuals despite their level of intelligence. I might suggest that it is easier for you to dismiss people and refer to them as “retards” because by actually having a discussion with them, you run the risk of them realizing that you are lying about your IQ and they would not only brand you as a liar but as a person of mediocre intelligence that you actually are. If your mother really did make that comment about your article, which I truly believe is made up just like the majority of all your other claims, then she is just trying to be nice and not call you an asshole like she probably wants to.

    It’s OK to be yourself Robert and stop compensating for whatever it is that has plagued you throughout your life. By continuing this facade, you are giving people who actually believe your bullshit a false image of what actual intelligent people are like. It’s time to grow up Robert and accept yourself as you are, an asshole with average intelligence who couldn’t get laid in a whore house if you had a million dollars in your pocket.

    • Ok listen up you piece of shit.

      147 IQ was taken in high school at age 14 and shown to me my counselor, Mr. Standard. An IQ test in adolescence is good for life. I was already in the gifted program from elementary school so I guess there were other tests.

      My mother has a 150 IQ, my father a 129 IQ and all of my siblings are 140+, so my IQ should not be surprising.

      I took another test at age 29 just to satisfy worthless fucks like you, and though he would not tell me the score, he said, “140+” and he kept walking around, saying, “Very high, very high,” and shaking his head. He had been doing this for 20 years and had tested ~600 people and he said there had been only ~10 who had been that high. So I figure the 147 is good.

      Everyone who meets me says I am very, very smart. No one ever says I am dumb or even average. People often say I am the smartest person they know or have ever met. An audiologist recently told me that I was the smartest person he knew and he said that’s pretty good because he knows a lot of doctors and lawyers.

      I have been pretty popular in life, used to throw parties where 200 people showed up and I knew all of them with live bands. On weekends it was not uncommon for me to go to 5-10 different parties, stopping in for a while at each one. It would not be uncommon for 5-10 people to call me on the weekend. It was not uncommon for me to date 3 different women in a week. So, yes, I have good social skills.

      As far as sex goes, women won’t leave me alone. I’ve had sex with more women and girls than you will in 10 lifetimes.

      I know a lot of people with IQ’s over 132 or even 140 who don’t make any money at all. Some of them don’t even work at all, and others live in poverty. Others have quite low incomes. It’s quite common actually.

      Actually my Mom did say that. She said people don’t understand me a lot of the time, and this causes me a lot of problems because they are always reading me the wrong way, misinterpreting what I say, etc.

  50. SHI

    I have an IQ of 130 (Mensa) or 135 (High IQ society) and totally agree with this blog post. I simply don’t get along with the average bloke; once I administered an IQ test to a sample of friends. They reluctantly participated only to score in the range of 97-117. Interesting analysis as the ones above 110 IQ seems like the only ones you can have an intelligent chat with. T

    I have noticed medium IQ people have more social intelligence than geniuses. They don’t feel awkward in parties where they don’t belong, can get along with all and sundry and are conformists to the bone. They call you socially awkward for not getting along with them while silently resenting your God gifted intelligence. They don’t miss any opportunity to depict you as psychotic and paranoid at the slightest opportunity. They spend more time and money trying to look attractive rather than grow brain cells.

    I also see low IQ people populating in numbers while geniuses put off marriage and kids for as long as they don’t feel settled in life.

    On a side note, you don’t have to be isolated socially. You can always find good company among doctors, politicians and military people. Usually they have above average intelligence – it takes very high exam score to get into Med school and survive there for six years. People studying political science, economics or specialized subjects like anthropology are a cut above the rest of the population spectrum who think from their dicks: yes they have pubes for brain cells.

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