I’m a genius. That is, I have a genius IQ. My IQ is 147, and genius is 140, so the argument is over.
I’m always accused of bragging about my IQ, but the truth is that there is nothing to brag about.
Face it. In America, you can brag about anything but your brains. Brag about how much money you make, what a great job you have, what a nice car you drive, how many chicks you get, how nice you are, how everyone loves you, how awesome your kids are, how angelic and pure as driven snow you are, and no one gives a flying fuck. Bragging about brains is only resented in that not only do most folks obviously not have any, but worse, they are never going to be able to acquire any, not even at discount at Walmart.
Furthermore, brains have zero value in US society, hence bragging about them is proscribed. If brains were as valued as money and you could get you just as many chicks and as much validation as cold cash, bragging about would be the like soup du jour, an everyday thing.
I must honestly say that my brains have never done my much of any good, and any good they have done has been massively counteracted by all of the negative stuff. They’ve turned off way more women than they turned on. They’ve hardly made me a nickel. They openly and objectively turn off the vast majority of people I meet. They’re essentially useless as far as making a good show in the interpersonal world and the world of money and success, or maybe worse than useless, an actual hindrance.
Since they are such a great big negative, why all the fuss about “bragging” about brains? I suggest it’s sour grapes. Even though your average moron says he hates brains, and every day sets out to prove just that, deep down inside, he resents the brainiacs.
A commenter said a while back that when there are 30 IQ points difference between individuals, communication is often difficult if not impossible. This sadly rung a bell with me. That means that when I am talking to most people with IQ’s 116 and below, it’s a hopeless endeavor at some point and I may as well throw in the towel. Sure, there are people with IQ’s under 116 who understand me just fine, but I don’t think most do.
The typical scenario is I am saying or writing something here, and their interpretation is over there, 150 miles away. They’re not getting it. They’re not understanding what I’m communicating. Worse, they are getting a 100% inaccurate message from what I am communicating. Often the message they are getting is the exact opposite of what I am communicating. It’s very common that people claim I am communicating a view that I actually hate.
I have tried and tried to take these people aside and show them what I really mean. It hasn’t worked yet. I may as well be talking to my cats. No matter how much I try to explain it, they never get it.
Let’s think here for a moment. If you are an average person, your IQ is 100. A person 30 IQ points below you is a Goddamned retard. So for most anyone, a person 30 IQ points below them is probably going to seem like a total fucking retard. Now, 85% of the population has an IQ below 117. The question is, “Robert, does 85% of the population really seem to total fucking drooling retards?” This is a very painful question for me, because I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and get along with everyone. I especially try to be nice to folks of lesser intelligence.
Yet if I had to sit back and answer that question, I have to answer very sadly, “Yes.”
It’s true. When you’re as smart as I am, a good 85% of the people you meet day in and day out seem like total fucking drooling retarded ass pinheads. They’re so stupid and so incapable of understanding that you’re almost afraid to even talk to them because half the stuff you say is either misunderstood or not comprehended at all. You especially have to watch out for jokes, because maybe half your jokes either don’t make sense at all or are interpreted in drastically wrong ways.
So not only are they stupid, but they’re also sort of dangerous because they are always misunderstanding you, often in nasty and malevolent ways. Most people think if they can’t understand you, that you must be either weird, crazy or possibly evil or criminal in some way.
Every day, you step outside and it’s Moron World. Moron World, all day, every day.
Now, I ask you. You still want to be a genius?
No you do not.
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Robert Lindsay
While I’m not at 140, I feel like I have to dumb myself down substantially to talk to women. There are some intelligent female friends I have that I can discuss politics and science with. But most women, they are completely turned off by intellectual subject matter. I know when I’m on a date, to just avoid it like the plague. Don’t come off as brainy, just try and engage them only on an emotional level. Which means finding watered down things to talk about like something funny you saw in a movie, of situational jokes. I feel like that’s not my natural self, but I have to turn half my cylinders off to have any connection with a women.
Hey just curious, why hasn’t being a genius benefited you financially? You could be working at JPL with an IQ of 147. As shitty as the economy is, there are always jobs for very smart people because there’s such a shortage of them.
I am not sure, really. There are a lot of us like this. Once you get towards the high end, a lot of us are not making out at all. I remember some articles about really high IQ people – higher than mine by quite a bit – and a lot of them were not working or living right around or even below the poverty level. It didn’t surprise me one bit.
I know two other people with IQ’s over 140. One has not worked in many years and is in fact on disability. The other has been working at only working class jobs his whole life. This society doesn’t respect brains as much as you think my friend. If you think geniuses can just write their own ticket, I am afraid that you are wrong.
One thing I am talking about for instance this website. Ok, look, you think I could show 90% of the women I might meet this website? You think I could show it to 90% of the guys I meet?
I have been specifically told, by my Mom no less, to *not show this website to anyone you meet in Meatspace*. I asked why not, and she said, “They won’t understand it. They’re too stupid. They won’t get it, and they will read everything the wrong way.”
On the bright side, I just realized that almost all the critics of this website are fucking retards, so that feels nice.
I also think that Political Correctness is a symptom of Mental Retardation. Anyone spouting PC cannot possibly be thinking at all. Either that or they know they are lying, and they are just using PC crap as a club to hit their enemies with.
I also think that most Commies are a bunch of retards. Look at the way we shut down 50% of the debate in human society. We Commies let women make 50% of our decisions, so of course the result is mass retardation. Women don’t believe in freedom of speech. Women think, “If it hurts my feelings, it should be illegal.” Women are at fault for almost all “hate speech” codes and whatnot.
PC is very feminine.
I recall a girlfriend of mien constantly saying things I said were ‘offensive’ when they blatantly weren’t. (E.G asking an Afghan guy if he owned one of those hats)
Women are always the first to get offended on someone else’s behalf. The world simply doesn’t work when we let them make the rules.
PC is so pussy. PC is what happens when you let women make the rules for society. What women want illegal or nearly illegal is “whatever speech offends me.” That ain’t gonna cut it.
Such strange, unfair comments that broad brush and generalize about an entire gender and show a poor understanding of recent historical changes. I’m a female with a high IQ and attended Harvard. I find high intelligence to be a huge turn on. So do most of my female friends. If you are looking for smart women who genuinely appreciate/prefer/seek out intelligent men for that sexy, witty banter, then find ways to connect with high-powered women. There are plenty of us out there.
Tulio’s comment and Robert’s response show a poor understanding of history. Up until the 1950′s, women were encouraged to not show too much brains, or they would be viewed as shrill or too masculine. Up until the 1990s, we’ve been told to “quietly succeed” — do well, but hide it and don’t let your mate feel threatened. Just like males feel a strong social pressure to act “tough, masculine,” women have felt huge social pressure to not pursue braininess too actively or those delicate male egos will feel threatened. Only more recently are truly strong, intelligent, tough women looked on positively – it’s a fairly recent phenomenon. My point is, women are NOT naturally less brainy/less interested in pursuing knowledge. We’re simply recovering for a 2,000-year nightmare where we were pressured by society (and barred by society until the early 1900s) from being too smart, from appearing too smart.
TONS of brainy women feel totally alienated in this society, because we are intellectually curious but still feel pressure to not come across too smart, or we’ll threaten men. They (and I) would be thrilled to meet a man who is smart enough to keep up, AND interested in a woman with opinions, brains, ideas. If you all are truly secure with yourselves, seek out smart, high-powered women. Just like smart men, we truly want our mate to be our intellectual equals, and we feel pretty alone out there too.
From what I’ve observed, there is a very anti-intellectual culture in American society as a whole, particularly when it comes to matters related to history and social sciences.
However, I have noticed that people seem to respect brains when it comes to having a high paying job.
For example, doctors are highly respected and enjoy much prestige. Ditto for similar professionals.
Americans don’t want to hear about any of your book learnin’ or have you talk down to them intellectually, but if you used your brains to land you a high paying job, then more power to you!
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that in a capitalist and anti-intellectual society such as the U.S., your intellect is only important in terms of how it helps you make money.
That’s why education in the U.S. is simply seen as a means to an end, a matter of acquiring skills in order to land a high paying job. That, as opposed to actually learning anything meaningful.
It has been well over a year since you left this message. But still, I have to reply and say, “yes” sadly so, you are correct.
@ Tulio
Re: Having to suppress your natural instincts around women
We’ve been over this many times, but I have to co-sign yet again.
There’s just no winning with them. On the one hand, you’re always told to “be yourself,” but I can tell that such an approach clearly doesn’t work. If girls don’t like “yourself,” you’re already fucked.
As Chris Rock once said in the context of trying to go for girls, “you’re not you. You’re the ambassador of you.”
I generally do NOT just act like myself when I am around women. Sitting here at the computer typing this, yeah I guess I am acting like myself. My basic position is that acting like myself probably is just not very attractive to women. So whenever I am out anywhere where there are any decent women about, I usually put on the “show” Robert Lindsay. It’s a “show” personality that I use a lot around women. Basically, my natural instincts if women are about is to try to attract them to the greatest extent possible. I honestly feel like “just being me” ain’t going to cut it.
Thing is the “show” Robert Lindsay is also me too, so it’s very easy to drop right into that.
My basic position is that acting like myself probably is just not very attractive to women.
Same here.
Around many people in general, that’s how I am. One girl even once called me “enigmatic.”
Maybe it’s because of my un-kosher views, or because I’m a naturally shy and introverted person, but I do feel like I’m often wearing a mask in public.
That’s why I come to this blog, Robert. It’s one of the few places where I can express my true views and feelings, and on a variety of topics that I never get to discuss in my everyday conversations.
The bragging rights for intelligence come from how you use it. Being “smart” is nothing more than potential, until you use your brains productively. Pretty much like any inborn trait (think physical: strength, dexterity, beauty…) I don’t feel the need to “hide” my intelligence, because I study people, and figure out how to communicate with them. I don’t see it as compromising or “dumbing down,” but as adapting to my environment, and it’s a challenge. Stupid people will never understand your language, but you can learn theirs, because you’re smart. (And let’s face it, unless you’re a hermit, you have to interact with them.) Like every productive use of an asset though, it takes effort. Intelligent people are always going to be somewhat isolated because we’re “different,” but we don’t have to be inaccessible.
Bay Area Guy makes a good point, and I’d take it one step further – it’s not just high-paying jobs that earn respect for brainiacs, it’s any measurable success. You can see this among intelligent people who lack formal education – they solve problems, see the whole picture, innovate, and generally just get thing done.
I agree that “sour grapes” is a part of the general disdain for intelligence, but I think that a bigger part is the appearance that we’re all talk, no action. “if you’re so smart, why can’t you…?” and, “If I had that I could…” are very common themes.
As well as IQ, you have to consider EQ. We had a Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, who had a very high IQ but one of the world’s lowest EQ’s, judging by his ability to alienate people and to not understand why they disliked him. His predecessor, Tony Blair, may not have been as intellectually smart, but he was fantastic at articulating what people wanted to hear – what he said pretty much off the cuff when Diana died is a classic example. Arguably Bill Clinton had genius level both in IQ and EQ, but it’s a rare combination
The problem is that the brains-haters go on and on about how high IQ supposedly have low EQ. But the truth is that EQ and IQ actually show a pretty high correlation. As far as insight goes, it’s hard to say. I know a lot of very smart people who have or had virtually zero insight into their often extremely obnoxious behavior. But a lot of people of lower IQ are probably the same. Nobody wants to hear how they’re fucking up or even try to figure it out if you ask me, and most folks don’t have the slightest clue how they are alienating people or turning them off. Point it out and you’re asking for a tirade. Sad.
What obligation is there on the part of the very intelligent to convert their brains into success or contributions to the ordinary 100-IQ’d society? 100 IQ’d people are quite happy with the status quo. It’s only the geniuses who continue to feed them delusions of grandeur and keep them wanting more.
A society with a 100 cumulative IQ will invariably construct a social conformist structure around the values and limitations of its intelligence level. The further anyone deviates from the IQ mean, the more likely they will express social behavior at odds with society’s social rules and conventions, and thus, they are called odd.
That’s an interesting idea but I don’t think it is true that conformist societies = average IQ societies. The first counter-example that comes to mind is Singapore, which is extremely conformist but is run by people with very high IQs, and raising the average IQ is an explicit goal of the state (hence the campaign to persuade educated Chinese girls to have babies). Japan is another counter-example – very clever, very conformist. Both Asian & Confucian, which may be relevant. I think Swedes are also clever and conformist. One to ponder.
The distinction I’m making is not that conformist societies in and of themselves are necessarily average IQ’d, but that the reigning social subculture’s values within any society is an extension of the same society’s mean IQ.
For instance, assume Singapore is able to pull its mean IQ to about 110. I then propose that Singapore’s social personality (habits, values, diversions, family structure, etc) would best capture the social value system of a random Singaporean with an IQ of 107. The farther we deviate from 107, the more alienated an individual would feel there.
Someone with an IQ like Robert’s essentially means he is alienated from most societal norms, regardless of whether it’s Hong Kong or Gabon we’re talking about. And I mean that in a good way
*typo alert
I meant:
…would best capture the social value system of a random Singaporean with an IQ of 110.
I just listened to a audio documentary of Jean Paul Sartre and in the documentary it said that in college even though he wasn’t the best looking he still had a lot of girls who wanted to sleep with him because he was outspoken and engaged in lots of discussions with fellow students and when he talked he sounded intelligent. SO that shows you that some women find intelligence sexy.
Yes, it’s definitive proof. Unfortunately it’s also proof that the French are very different. It’s also worth notice that Sartre ended up with Simone de Beauvoir, who was so impressed by him that she decided to found the feminist movement (The second sex) and also wrote extensively in fictional form about what a bastard and hypocrite he was (The Mandarins, She came to stay). In many ways she preferred the American writer Nelson Algren, who was less complicated and (apparently) slightly less of a bastard.
Those are FRENCH women. Very different.
May I apologize to you, Robert? Sometimes I read your columns, finding it funny how your words will get some people to go nutso. If you want to feel what it’s like to confront incomprehension like the dodos do, you might want to start with Kafka’s “Amerika,” or The Disappeared as it’s known in German.
Hey, here’s a story about money and brains. If I’ve got it pretty accurately, the professor of economics and the rich banker were arguing.The banker asked, ‘if you’re so smart, how come you’re not rich?’ The professor then replied, ‘if you’re so rich, how come you’re so stupid?’
ba dum
Thank you Mitch.
Well, I can’t say that I really agree with those intelligence tests, but usually people who score high on them have some reasonably good level of intelligence. Be proud of intelligence and good reasoning ability. Hate all of those who refuse to have respect for intelligence and good reasoning ability.
Thank you very much Pimp.
How do you know what your IQ is?
Do they take mandatory IQ tests in schools in the US?
I was given the WISC in 1971 at age 14. The counselor showed me my score, even though he wasn’t supposed to. They used to give mandatory tests in schools, yes. But that has been ILLEGAL in California since 1979.
No offense because you come across as being quite smart but how certain are you of that score? Such a score is very rare. When was the test taken? Which one?
WISC – 1971, age 14.
I took another one with a psychologist at my Mom’s work in 1986. This was WAIS. He didn’t give me a score, but he said, “Very high, very, very high.” He also said he had been doing this for 20 years and given like 600 tests and only 10-15 had scored in my range or higher.
No offense but you may want to retake one. They say scores are stable but there is variation.
I took one at age 14. I took another at age 29. Fuck it, I got my nice scores, I ain’t taking any more tests. Besides, I took a lot of drugs in the meantime LOL.
You can go to a Barnes and Nobel Bookstore and self-administer your own IQ test there. They have books that let you do that. Of course don’t take tickle.com’s test
I think my IQ is probably between 107-119
What’s weird is you are one of the smarter commenters on here. This is what I don’t get. I’ve never made an argument yet that you could not understand. Maybe you are operating at a level above your IQ. Supposedly you can operate at a level up to 20 points above your IQ by using “extra-IQ factors.”
I can’t imagine.
It’s not so rare. 1/1000 Americans have a score that high. In the small town in lived in the Sierra Nevadas, there were probably a good 15 others with scores that high.
You may want to do to your local Barnes & Noble or similar store and look at one of those books that let you self-administer your own IQ test. You can do it in the store for free on one of their couches, and it’s a real test not one like tickle.com or some similar site where they inflate your IQ to sell you a certificate. Also just bring your watch.
I think my IQ is somewhere in the range of 107-119. I’m terrible at math but did well on the verbal section of the ACT.
Fuck that. I got my nice two juicy scores. I ain’t takin no more tests. There’ve been a lot of drugs in the interim.
LOL!
I don’t claim to be any kind of genius, but I’m a lot smarter than most of the people I deal with on a day to day basis. There is an important distinction between amiable dull wittedness and aggressive stupidity. With the former, you can enjoy good relations as long as you keep it light and don’t flaunt your intelligence. They might even respect you for it if you can help them out. The latter? Hopeless. They’re just looking for deviants to ostracize from the herd. You’ll know them when you see them. Try to have as little interaction as possible without seeming like a conceited jerk. If they detect that you’re different in any way, they can make your life miserable.
Yes, what bothers me is aggressive stupidity. They don’t understand me, which really is just fine. If they were amiable and dull-witted, they might just smile and be nice. Instead, they try to figure out what I said or wrote, and they get it all wrong. I mean really, really 1,500 miles off wrong. Like I said A and they say I mean Z wrong. Then they get mad at me because of what I said or wrote based I guess on this misinterpretation.
Or they just don’t get me, and as a consequence, they think I’m weird or insane. All cuz they didn’t understand.
Aggressive stupidity. Yes.
You know, most stupid people are so stupid they don’t even know they’re stupid.
Deal.
I believe you wrote a piece a while back on how IQ is destiny and you opined that society should recognize IQ as a factor of one’s potential so that they could be properly compensated for their work.
Their efforts.
Yes, I do want a check from the state every month for being a fucking genius, yes. If they required me to work for it, probably no problem. I realize that is not going to happen, but it’s a nice dream.
I haven’t had that problem as I live in a high end area and I only score in the mid 120′s, but I can vividly recall trying to feign an interest in “it” boys and idle gossip when I was in middle school.
125 is the top 5% of the population. THAT’S PRETTY FUCKING SMART, you realize that, right?
My school was filled with smart people anyway. I’ve scored 122, 124, and 126.
So you have a 124 IQ. You go girl! You’re smart enough to do anything you want, as my Mom you used to tell me.
As someone with an IQ of 152, I now realize why I find this blog so dumb sometimes. It’s like apes trying to create a Space Program. For instance, Lindsay extrapolates from a test he took at 14 that his current IQ is 147 – the supposition itself proves his IQ is very low – probably around 117. Due to his low IQ, he is probably completely unaware of this irony.
Wrong. A 147 IQ in the teen years should be a 147 IQ in adulthood. IQ is stable by age 7.
And I guess you want to be banned or what?
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/11/predictive-power-of-early-childhood-iq.html
Well, judging by standard deviations, it has about a 90+ percent chance of being above 140, so you’re safe
(sad face) 20 years ago, I scored around 175, now I average around 130. Did two decades of raising a child, not reading much, and developing fibromyalgia set me back THAT much? I’m still smart, so why do I feel so dumb?
Suz–I haven’t been tested since childhood, but I wonder if the fibro and dysautonomia did the same to me.
According to that test, my 147 score is now anywhere from 141 to 153 on average. Sounds cool.
Your extrapolation of Lindsey’s extrapolation leads me to extrapolate that you’re lying about your IQ of 152. I place it at 119.
PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTT!!!!
Stanford-Binet-156
WAIS -147
Geez I’m such a flake though.
Joined MENSA in my mid 20′s-BORING.
Never/rarely mention my IQ to anyone.
Causes way too many problems.
Stealth Smartie. They either hate you or they want something from you. It’s safer under your hat.
156.
That’s good girl. I got 136 on by SB, but my English wasn’t fully developed when I took it as it was a 2nd language. Could have reduced my score anywhere from 5 to possibly 50 points.
Did some internet IQ tests over the years. My score was as low 109 to as high as 136. Long story short, I haven’t learned anything =/ Though I suspect my actual IQ is around 115 or so.
On second thought I did learn something, that internet IQ tests are unreliable =p
Internet IQ tests are no good. You really need to have one administered by a professional. Unfortunately, that costs money.
That’s top 2% of the population at the very least.
I am sorry. Both my scores were Sanford-Binet, I think. Good God, you have an IQ of 152, Jesus Christ. I never talk about it either, except online.
It’s caused problems online, but in Meatspace? Not really, to be honest. Most people who hear it are just stunned more than anything else. One would expect some negative shit, but I never get any. The only time it ever comes up is when people ask me, “What’s your score?” And they do that pretty regularly. That’s because sometimes I said, “Yeah, I’m smart. I’ve seen my IQ score.” Most of the time that leads to a curious, “What is it?” Then when I tell them, I almost always get a good response.
I don’t go around bragging about that number. Are you fuckin crazy! Hell no, I would never do such a thing. I talk about stuff like that online because I can talk about things here that I can’t talk about in Meatspace.
The original point about inability to communicate with people 2 SD below your own level of intelligence is correct, I think, except that the problem is limited to a window of about 1 SD. So Robert, with an IQ around 145, can’t reliably communicate with folks in the 100-115 range, but I suspect he could make out well with those below 100.
It has to do with the ability to model the other person’s mental behavior. It’s not hard to figure out how the truly stupid think, or to run an internal emulation of a very unintelligent man.
In communicating we attempt to run a model of the other person. For people within a certain range of your own intelligence, this involves something like a virtualized OS, which can run at near native speed. For those very far below your own level, it is more like an emulated OS, where you have to run a pretend version of the base hardware. That 15 point range in the middle would be the people smart enough that you don’t have the processing power to achieve an emulation, but their mental hardware is different enough that you can’t do virtualization, either.
The men whose company I have enjoyed most in my life have all had (at a guess) IQs 3 SD below my own. No deep conversation, obviously, but that’s not much of a loss in terms of companionship. Serious conversations on serious topics are usually contentious, because even other highly intelligent men are so well programmed.
Dota
Internet tests are pretty unreliable but my scores from tests I took on the internet tests fell within the 120′s range as well.
My IQ has progressively risen since I was born (as meconium aspiration probably took off a few points, but apparently brain cells can replicate, as is evident with Gabby Giffords.) I scored within the bright/normal range during early childhood assessment (I think that would translate to 110-115) but scored 122 for my verbal IQ on the WISC when I was seventeen. My linguistic ability isn’t so strong (around the 88th percentile) but my logical/mathematical scores fell within the 98th percentile.
That’s interesting. But you still need my validation to complete you
I asked for Lindsay’s validation not yours’.
And you got it, but you still need mine.
No, all I need is validation from my loverboy
“No, all I need is validation from my loverboy”
You’re perfect, sweetie. Nothing wrong with you at all.
Join the next gaza flotilla and you just might
Making love during a raid while being beaten and humiliated, and ultimately sealing our love behind bars? Don’t feed into my fantasies. I can’t think of anything more romantic and I may want to take you up on your offer, although Palestinian Solidarity ain’t really my thing.
You don’t give yourself enough credit. Why only 115?
@GSG
115 feels right. I forgot to mention that I did have my IQ professionally tested in India when I was around 10 I think. The score was around 110 if I recall it correctly. I’m pretty sure it must have been bumped up to 115 during my Uni years in Canada. My fluid intelligence is poor but but my crystallized intelligence is strong since I’ve always been a reader. My mother’s IQ is over 120 but I got stuck with my Dad’s average IQ, but also inherited his love of learning and reading, which has helped my CI. Some of the online IQ tests I’ve done gave me a breakdown of my result. Clearly I failed at the number sequence questions (extrapolation) but did quite well at some of reasoning questions such as analogies ect. Since debating (whether online or in real life) requires the use of CI more than FI, I have been able to consistently project the illusion of a high IQ. I’m a fraud, but a damn good one
Yeah but see. You’re one of the smartest people on here. See what I mean? Raw numbers don’t matter all that much.
You do a good job of faking it. I would have thought it was closer to 130, but IQ tests usually measure logical/mathematical ability more than verbal ability, which is probably why I score high on IQ tests, despite lacking outstanding verbal skills.
Robert L
I have nothing against Intelligence testing, however I’ve come to realize (as many have) that the standardized IQ test is a highly clumsy tool that’s been used to gauge a variety of cognitive abilities which have so many dimensions. The theory of general intelligence (FI + CI) is what I’ve used to explain on one hand my strong long term memory and debating success over the years, combined with my dismal performance in mathematics and school in general. However I also recall scoring the highest marks on an inductive reasoning test in a Philosophy course in my second year. I’ve never given my intelligence much thought anyway, this is the first time I’ve actually talked about it.
“”You do a good job of faking it. I would have thought it was closer to 130,”"
Sucker
How do we differentiate between “smart” and “high IQ’d?”
Or do we?
“How do we differentiate between “smart” and “high IQ’d?”
Or do we?”
Aristotle thought that adults had 28 teeth. He was stupid for thinking that. He was also stupid for not bothering to look. (No theory of empirical method). So he had a high iq, but was stupid.
It’s not possible to be smart without stating something, thinking something, believing something. It’s still possible to be high IQ’s, even when you’re sleeping. One is a property of physical makeup, the other is non physical property. But high IQ people tend to be smarter more often than low IQ people.
What do you think hoss?
Aristotle might have been lazy, disinterested or repulsed by sticking his nose in foul-smelling mouths. Maybe oral research wasn’t his “thing.” He isn’t stupid until someone (Hacienda) questions his half-baked observations. Who first thought men had more ribs than women? Stupid.
More interesting and peculiar than the very intelligent are the very average clever people who make people think they are more intelligent than they are. It’s is easy to pull the wool over the eyes of the mean. Successful con artists are very clever.
So if IQ is distributed in a Bell Curve, the manifestation of IQ is also distributed in a Bell Curve. A Bell Curve within a Bell Curve. Some intelligent underachieve, achieve what is expected, or overachieve, with most clustering at just what is expected. The same can be said of morons. What the hell are we doing?
An IQ vanity thread. Fucking awesome. I took an IQ test in Omni Magazine in 1978 and scored 195.
Well that’s a lie. I scored an 83 on the RIAS and made many wonderful friends on my way to, and back fro, school
There is no way on Earth that you scored 83 on an RIAS test. Forget it.
Damnit, got me. OK, I was lying about that, not Omni.
Robert L
Ok out of sheer curiosity and boredom (my Wow account’s expired) I decided to put my own theory about my intelligence to the test.
I did a 50 question test on Verbal IQ/analogies here http://alliqtests.com/tests/1/9/
I scored 33 and based solely on this result, the program estimated my IQ to be 127. Since Verbal IQ is a function of CI (Gc) it turns out I was right in my assessment. My FI (Gf) does drag my overall IQ score down. Oh well. It’s all your fault Robert, I was going to get some reading done this evening until you pushed me down this damn rabbit hole -_-
Fluid IQ is highest in youth, after that it declines. Crystallized stays quite high through life, even in the 50′s, 60′s and even beyond.
For what it’s worth, that “verbal IQ test” estimates my IQ at 146, which is, surprisingly, in the neighborhood of my childhood IQ (it was over 135 but I was never told the exact number).
If it had been a math test I wouldn’t have done as well!
Isn’t over 135 in the upper 1% of the population?
Somewhere between 1% and 2%.
Just strangely enough– but not too strangely mind you– I have that exact same 147 IQ as Rob. I’ve only been tested once though at around age 6, give or take a year.
Curiously enough– but also, mind you– not too curiously (and neither do your suspicions deceive you) I’m a college dropout, chronically underemployed (only for the past 2 years though) underachiever.
What sucks is that ever since my mom found out ’bout that IQ score she’s been ranting nonstop from childhood to recent times about how I’m smarter than 99% of people and failure is unacceptable etc. Plenty of people who don’t know my actual score have been telling me the same thing since as far back as I can remember: peers, teachers, family friends etc. So yeah, I get that “you’re so smart! what the hell are you doing with your life,” bit all the time.
Well god bless ‘em but they just don’t understand. The damn niggers is ruinin’ everything so a good ol’ White genius like yours truly just can’t succeed…
…which translates loosely as: nothing in this world that seems worth doing seems achievable and nothing achievable worth doing. But only because of the damn niggers (and Jews too).
I’m not gonna be a minimum wage slave forever, but also not gonna go back into the rat race.
I’m already in the process of changing my line of work to something that will allow half-decent pay and rural living. In a few years gonna own me some land in rural Virginia where I’m gonna enjoy the peace and quiet, stare at the stars and mountains, pore over ancient Latin texts and and maybe even pick up some Ancient Greek. I’ll have season tickets to the classical music series in a nearby small city and go into town once a month for that.
I will eventually contribute several things to mankind though, my magnum opus: “Quemadmodum niggeri vitam patriamque meam adeo orbem terrarum perdere potuerunt”– “How exactly the niggers were able to destroy my life, my country, and at last– the entire world.” And if I have some extra time “Si Iudaei tam sapienti sint– cur nasos tantos magnos possident?” “If Jews are so damn smart, why are their noses so damn big?” And dedicated to RL himself: “Ad infernum te, Gypse, ad infernum accedes” “To hell with you Gypsy, to hell you shall go.”
And of course my autobiography– “Historiam Viri, nominati interretialibus ‘Ski’– vir bonus, heros glorisissimus qui niggeris Iudaeisque contumelias tantas atroces tam acriter iecit, ut in caelo memoriaque humanitatis locum meruit.”
“The story of a man, called ‘Ski’ on the internets– a good man, a most glorious hero who hurled such vicious insults so pointedly at the niggers and Jews that he earned himself a place in heaven and in the memory of all humanity.”
And I will DEFINITELY be clinging to my guns and Bible.
But I will avoid becoming a pretentious stereotypical egghead MENSA type as they neither live in the country nor rant about the damn niggers ruinin’ everything.
The modern world is actually just too damn LOUD (in every possible concrete and metaphorical sense of the word) for me. I suspect that simple country livin’ will allow me enough quiet to the point that ranting about the damn niggers ruinin’ everything will actually become wholly unnecessary.
The ultimate lesson of my life is do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, attempt to take the reigns on Apollo’s chariot even if you are Apollo’s son. Besides, you probably are not Apollo’s son even if you think your 147 IQ proves you are.
PS. This may seem like a nonsensical rant and there are two possible explanations. One is that I’m a bit loopy at around 4:00 AM when I can’t sleep; and the other is that such an odd seemingly nonsensical ranting and raving disproves my supposed 147 IQ.
However, the third possibility is actually the correct one.
And that mysterious third which was not given is:
that this peculiar bit of raving is a true work of genius, a poetic masterpiece in which– as Jesus did– the secrets of the universe are explained in parable (although the author is of course not even the son of Apollo, much less the Christ).
That, my friends, is the wonderful truth. And sadly, if this third option was not already obvious to you before I mentioned it then your IQ is significantly lower than 147.
Ahhh I always knew you were a 147. You just gave off those 147 vibes from the moment you strolled in here.
I’m sure that the niggers and Jews have ruined your life and prevented you from achieving your just rewards.
In my case, it was the Gypsies. They’re all in Europe, but they ruined my life anyway, If it wasn’t for those flamenco dancing horse traders, I’d be a rich man by now, mind you.
“rural Virginia where I’m gonna enjoy the peace and quiet”
I’ve had this fantasy for decades. But for me it’s more like living on a remote island in the Pacific. Maybe creating a new religion. Non of this new age religion shit either. But one with the moral focus and intensity of the monotheistic religions, but somehow without the naked stupidity.
Or a place in the California desert. Solar energy. Create a beautiful glass paneled place and howl with the dogs and coyotes out there. Maybe become buddies with a couple of them.
As far as the niggers screwing up civilization, I agree. But it’s gonna be a circular process with the liberation of the red man. Then we take care of the nigger-Jew problem in a fair way.
I don’t think he was serious with all that “Niggers and Jews ruined my life” bullshit. 135 IQ, you should have caught that one, grasshopper. You been slacking off on the meditation. Try this: meditate on the sound of one nigger’s hand slacking.
136 with a huge asterisk, buddy.
Did much higher on the “proxy” IQ test like SAT, LSAT. Beside, not convinced that meditation while meditative, doesn’t make one stupid. Like a brick.
Let’s ask ski. What do you REALLY think of niggers?
Nowadays I think of them as America’s adopted mentally retarded child. Sometimes very charming and endearing, sometimes embarrassing and silly, all too often dangerous– ’cause this retarded adopted child doesn’t lack brawn like he lacks brains. Often I think damn, why the hell was mama America thinking when she adopted this retarded child? I’m sick of living in the same house with him (if any White person claims he’s never had this thought, he’s probably lying). Ultimately though, I’ve come to accept him as a part of the national family. A handful and a headache, but still part of the national family.
I see emancipation and desegregation as analogous to the mass closings of public mental hospitals. Sure, conditions were absolutely atrocious in many/most of these facilities, but when they just suddenly closed the doors we ended up with millions of schizophrenics on the streets where they were more of a danger to others and themselves. Just as conditions in the public mental hospitals were unacceptable, slavery and segregation should have been dropped or improved, but I don’t think what’s replaced them is good.
I think we ought to try to do what’s best for Blacks and Whites in America, but that what’s best must necessarily involve Whitey both giving charity to, and imposing rules on Blackey.
As far as specifics, don’t know what the solution is.
“Nowadays I think of them as America’s adopted mentally retarded child.”
Hahahaha.
@ Ski
LOL
My views on blacks have mellowed since a couple of years ago. I admit, I’m still a bit racist against them, and I don’t have a very high opinion of them as a group.
But now, I try not to dwell on them too much. As long as I can avoid them and avoid dealing with them, they don’t bother me too much.
I’m sick of living in the same house with him (if any White person claims he’s never had this thought, he’s probably lying)
Agreed.
I don’t think that most whites hate or actively dislike black people, but I do think that most prefer not to live around/deal with blacks. I also think that if all blacks were to just magically be shipped to some African country by tomorrow, most whites would have a coke.
Even though he’s considered one of the founding fathers of Critical Race Theory and I’m thus compelled to hate him, I think Derrick Bell’s “Space Traders” hit the nail on the head.
It does make me sad though. The blacks and latinos that I deal with on a daily basis are pretty nice..
@BAG
Yeah same with me. For a while there I was an ultra-racist and just really hated them, but now I would say I’m just a realist with a sprinkle of animosity. Avoiding them is a good idea, but the even if you can avoid the Blacks it’s damn hard to simultaneously avoid the White liberal PC white-guilters. These days I actually have much more animosity towards PC Whites than I do towards Blacks.
@GSG
That’s the thing. I do know quite a few Black folks who are really good people. And it also doesn’t seem right to lump the Tulio’s or Alpha Unit’s of the country in with “America’s mentally retarded adopted children,” but on a group level that’s really the only way I can think of Blacks.
If black IQ’s are one SD below whites, that still implies that 75% of the populations will overlap. There are few whites “equal” to ghetto types, and few blacks equal to top scientists and other intellectuals. But in blue collar jobs employing the 25-75 percentiles, you wouldn’t notice any difference.
I grew up in a suburb with an entrenched black population from its rural days, to which educated whites migrated. The black’s background wasn’t the same as the whites, so I accepted the “legacy” theory.
When I started my career job, I joined the employees union, made up primarily of philosophically/politically pro-labor whites, plus blacks who believed they were victims of discrimination. Within a few months, it became clear that discrimination or legacies of oppression were NOT their problem.
“As far as specifics, don’t know what the solution is.”
Sex. Sex, sex, and more sex. Lot’s of it. It’s always been the salvation of mankind, it will be the salvation of mankind yet again. Let no cock-block stand in the way. It’s what the blacks have been saying all along. Sex, sex, and more sex. The Jew porn masters understand, Ron Jeremy “gets it”, Avena Lee “gets it”. Thailand “gets it”. Do you? Why go the hard road when the easy solution is right there?
WTF you are the Great Asian Man, the greatest product of human evolution ever, right? Just look at your ET appearance. You guys are evolving right up out of the damned naked ape race dammit.
You’re afraid of a bunch of feral Black people?
Chigga please.
This Chigga loves Niggas like nighttime. Where would chinks and crackers be without our beloved niggers? Nowhere, that’s where.
You’re right. Everyone needs someone to look down on. Black people are like the dog that the frustrated office worker kicks when he gets home after another brutalizing day. A good outlet for displaced aggression. Kick the Black pet dog lying on the floor, after all, you can’t very well punch your boss.
And why not? Everyone else is doing it.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, I can’t stop laughing you are the best Robert Lindsay.
Although I don’t think that analogy with the black dog is right because all only the whites living in leafy houses can do that, the rest of them including the chigga’s have to deal with their athleticism and their popping caps, the chigga’s are perpetually stuck in the E.T zone due to their inability to drive properly, lack of any physical proficiency, and their perpetual foreigner status based on their weird looks causing them bamboo ceilings to shutten them in enterna chigga zone.
Don’t you understand, Hacienda-san.
Look at ski.
He’s White. He could have been a contender. He could have been somebody. He could have had class. Instead he’s just a bum, which is what he is, let’s face it.
AND IT’S ALL BECAUSE OF THE NIGGERS AND THE JEWS.
“AND IT’S ALL BECAUSE OF THE NIGGERS AND THE JEWS.”
I told you. English is my Second Language. I’m just an ESL student with pretensions of knowing the white mind.
The depths of white/black thing-ding-whoop-ass-motherfuck-kkk-oomph-ooga-luga the shit that’s been going down between you two for centuries. I’m just a newbie trying to find my way. Dead bodies black and white buried underneath me, everywhere and everyone too traumatized to show me the way.
I really did think that ski, being the good Christian that he is would want to reveal the Jew hiding behind the enormous black jock-strap. Lift the yarmulke covering the black welfare masses. Shine a light on all dat. But, double crossed again. It’s true, two white minds in network beat one Asian, even if that Asian is a Korean.
even worse one white mind beats all Asians minds in all networks and infinitum.
Xera,
Stop it.
Hacienda
“”Non of this new age religion shit either. But one with the moral focus and intensity of the monotheistic religions, but somehow without the naked stupidity. “”"
If you read the Quranic polemics against Jews and Christian doctrine, you’d think that Muhammad had the same idea as you, but things didn’t work out exactly as planned =p
Let’s hope you have better luck
“Let’s hope you have better luck.”
Islam is the last true religion. Christianity is looking mighty sickly. Islam may be man’s last best hope for men. Christianity seems to be the last best hope for women.
Based on what I said earlier, What do you think of the role of Jewish women?
“What do you think of the role of Jewish women?”
I don’t really what the Jewish role of women is. I’ve read
parts of the old testament and that was so long ago.
From what I know (not much), the roles seem very segregated, as
all ancient beliefs about men and women have it. It seems
like the men get the freedom and power, the women get
the reproduction of Judaism itself. It’s a very civilized set up.
I like it.
The role of Jewish women?
Like all women. Prone. Next question?
“”Islam is the last true religion.”"”
Depends on how you define ‘true’ of course. That part is debatable. I’d rephrase that sentence and say that it is the last Abrahamic religion that won’t go down without a fight.
“Christianity seems to be the last best hope for women.”
You’ll have to explain this to me. I might have an idea but I’m not making any assumptions.
” I might have an idea but I’m not making any assumptions.”
I got nothing to add about it that isn’t well known already. Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female.
Islam is manly. It’s got male dignity. At least enough of it. I’m for neither. I like it that both are polarized.
“I got nothing to add about it that isn’t well known already. Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female.”
LOL
“I got nothing to add about it that isn’t well known already. Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female.”
Jesus Christ. Pornstar. Do you think you’re what they say you are?
Hacienda
“”Jesus is the teen idol, natural magnet for teenage girls and mothers too. The boys latch onto that as a way to become studs and a way to poon. This has been well observed about Christianity. The erotica, the lust at its heart. It feeds the female. “”
lol at how you’ve put this. Some authors have described a sexual component to the female devotion to Jesus. I never knew what to make of it since I’ve never experienced Christianity from the inside. Islam was based on the old Bedouin values of honour and Chivalry which Muhammad was trying to protect from the excesses of Meccan mercantilism.
Re: Dota and the sexualized aspects that may occasionally observed in Jesus worship (I’ve read some weird things about some nuns)–I suspect that, in part, this is one more thing that Christianity picked up from polytheistic religions–specifically, all those weird orgiastic Greek and Roman cults, e.g., Dionysus/Bacchus, Adonis, Orpheus, etc.
There’s also the metaphor Jesus used of Himself as Bridegroom and the Church as the Bride, which has got to be discomfiting to many Christian men.
In terms of male-female relations, though, according to the New Testament the husband is the head of the household. (The original Greek word, kephale, was also used to mean the “point man” in a military squadron.) Husbands have responsibilities of leadership in a Christian marriage. It’s not a feminist religion, at least not going by the contemporary definition of feminism, which blurs distinctions between men and women (except of course when men are being portrayed as oppressors or monsters). However, Christian wives are not treated like property, children, or slaves. There’s even a verse in the New Testament stating that if husbands do not treat their wives with respect their prayers will be hindered.
@ Amy
What you’ve said makes sense. I’ve come across Christian agony aunt forums online where Husbands are jealous of their wives’ devotion.
But this is familiar
Hindus worship the phallus (lingam) of the deity Shiva. I think it was Angana Chatterjee who also observed that some women rub their genitals against it to boost fertility. Remarkable how geographically diverse pagan cultures shared certain commonalities.
Fuck that shit. I don’t need Islam or 72 virgins in afterlife to live like a man today. Whatever happened to just living your life and having a bit of fun? Two kids and a dog is still possible whatever MRAs say. The West, for all its ills, still is a place where you can have fun, be yourself and be fairly well-off at the same time. You can do all sorts of hedonistic stuff and nobody gives a flying fuck out here. You prefer Islam over that?! I sure don’t.
OTOH, you are right in your basic analysis. I always wondered why lefties, women or whatever progressive-alligned group always stand up for Islam, because Islam in the West would work out wonderfully for straight traditionalist white men. Ironically enough, it’s this group that fights hardest against it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/12QUESTIONS.html?_r=1
Is Stephen Hawking just being modest?
What is your I.Q.?
I have no idea. People who boast about their I.Q. are losers.
I expect he probably does know his IQ, but doesn’t consider it worth discussing.
That line is probably even funnier when heard through his voice synthesizer. It’s oddly suited to his dry wit.
I stumbled across this because I was trying to back up my intuition about a correlation between intelligence and physical robustness. Stephen Hawking sorta killed that. Is it possible to be a nuclear physicist with a 105 IQ?
No.
Hawking’s IQ is ~160. Something like that. I have seen it written up.
“Is it possible to be a nuclear physicist with a 105 IQ?”
Probably not, but I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to find I’m wrong about that.
There’s intellectual robustness, physical robustness, emotional robustness, attitudinal robustness, robustness of character–many overlapping elements that either strengthen or handicap us. Some of us can overcome pain and other physical discomforts more easily than others. Likewise stress and other nervous/emotional discomforts.
Heynman’s IQ was supposedly only ~120 or so. James Watkins IQ is only ~117.
“Is it possible to be a nuclear physicist with a 105 IQ?”
Yes, but it would be an awful existence. Yo’du have to study 24/7 to only have the most basic ideas understood with no pleasure in actual feeling of mastery or skill or fluidity. The math would be incomprehensible and too fast for you to follow any lecture. You’d always feel a sense of nagging inadequacy and alienation. All the other nuclear physicists would treat you like a laughingstock. The only benefit of it is that you could say you are a nuclear physicist to your relatives. But it would be empty as they know your actual capacity.
The difference between an intercooled, turbocharged 2 liter 4-cylinder engine pumping out 300 horsepower and a normally aspirated V8 pumping out 305 horsepower. They both hit 60 in 5 seconds, but…
Devotedly applied, yes, it’s possible. I think what will be missing is the innovation and discovery. I don’t believe the 105 IQ’d physicist will be able to extrapolate any groundbreaking theories from the existing models of string theory, etc. Intelligence is an ability to know and realize beyond what you know.
” I don’t believe the 105 IQ’d physicist will be able to extrapolate any groundbreaking theories from the existing models of string theory, etc. Intelligence is an ability to know and realize beyond what you know.”
Live without delusions. The 105 IQ man belongs in nuclear physics, like
a cripple belongs in the Olympic 100 meter final.
I’d be curious to see how that scenario would pan out. Has a deranged Monty Pythonesque feel to it.
Or a testicular cancer survivor in a ‘shooting’ contest.
“Heynman’s IQ was supposedly only ~120 or so. James Watkins IQ is only ~117.”
Feyman’s verbal IQ is fairly modest. Mechanical and constrained. Watch a video of him. He has unusually great visualization skills. Won some junior math contests in record beating ways.
Check out this video of Feynman. If this was your high school teacher talking you’d have a DOH! reaction. But this is the great Feynman so you go Damn that’s deep. LOL.
Watson at 117? LOL, if that’s true, given some of his words of wisdom. Including his regret that he wasn’t born black and a pimp. Upon such assholes is Western civilization built.
Hacienda said “DOL!”
Springfield Curve:
Homer Simpson: 93
Marge Simpson: 94
Bart Simpson: 102
Lisa Simpson: 111
Maggie Simpson: 140 (est)
Barney Gumble (adult): 87
Burns: 147
Gotham City:
Batman: 170
Robin 110
Joker 120
Alfred 80
Riddler 140
The Commissioner 75
What’s your point hoss?
Why the point is that Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Höss and I have the same birthday, albeit, with 64 years of separation.
And I think you gotta take 15 points from Batman and give them to the Joker.
170 is low end already. His creation of the Batplane alone qualifies him for that at least. A technological wonder. Breathtaking.
Joker never creates, he just steals things and throws smoke bombs and tells bad jokes. Just an uninspired mediocrity destined for no good.
But it can also be argued that perhaps his physical robustness has allowed him to survive so long with ALS. After all, his IQ obviously pre-dated his illness.
I suspect his sense of humor has added years to his life. Pessimism is a killer–many studies back this up!
Batman sucks cock, but you got me
I’m a loser. And I’m not what I appear to be.
She was a girl in a million, my friend
Your post was really about how being extraordinarily intelligent is like having a harelip. Then everybody started bragging about he hideousness of their harelips
“And I’m not what I appear to be.”
You sound a lot different on the radio. Kinda flat and thoughtful. Don’t really hear the womanizer, lady-killer.
In this kind of race-realist format, where posters tend to take on the identity of their race, religion, or ethnicity, they seem larger than life. Like statues.
Normans going to craft me an engagement ring out of spare thread of his prison uniform.
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Why not? If you are given that, why don’t happily accept the fact (even though it might not bring you any higher salary)
I took Mensa’s IQ test about 12 years ago, certified with an IQ of 156 & found out recently that I am also a INTJ (being a INTJ woman is even more rare on this planet). There’s no wrong being a “Genius”. To me, Intelligence should help you find a way in making the communication “easy to understand” by any common people. Make full use of your gift to find your best method(s) to let the normal ppl get your point effectively. *let face it, the ppl we meet daily won’t just simply disappear, this is reality.
I’m an INTJ too, INTJ’s are the prototypical alienated types who see realities that no one else can. Genius means way more less than it ever did with each progressive generation. Especially in the post-Industrial Age. Human skillfulness shrinks in meaning.
In the 21st century, and beyond, genius only means one thing: you are in a really special and really trivial club. I am immersed in the global corporacacy, my friend. I walk among the elitists (though I am assuredly NOT one) and I see them function almost daily in their fumbling manner. They are in fact intelligent people, but…they are idiots. They are tall and skinny and can be swatted down by a high physical IQ’d specimen any day.
I’d love to see how the oligarchs would respond if an extinction-level asteroid was headed directly at Earth (scientifically verified). How do those with so much to lose react when all they have will mean nothing in 35hrs38mins43sec?
people become “idiots” when they too full of themselves & start thinking too highly of themselves that they are above all other living things…… **maybe they think they are immortals already….. what a shame….sigh
Oh hallelujah! I loved reading this post. I was screaming YES and AMEN to myself repeatedly while reading, dammit, I almost cried a bit!
I realize it’s been over a year since you wrote this, but you wrote a LOT and I’m trying to catch up!
I used to have an IQ of 145 in my twenties. The last test I took was one by Illustrated Science and apparently I have gotten a lot dumber. 133. On the other hand I had primary hyperparathyroidism at the time and my brain has been feeling unusually muddled these past few years, although it’s been taken care of now. Well, the hyperparathyroidism at least.
I have this love/hate relationship with my brain. I love how quickly I learn which gives me the time to learn even more. But that’s pretty much all I love about it.
I hate that my brain never shuts up, always needs to over analyze everything, usually adding depressive gloom to the analysis so that the final product comes out way more negative than necessary.
I hate the OCD!
I hate the feeling of isolation. Like I’m not really part of the human race because no human seems to understand me in the slightest. For some reason I have always felt inadequate, like I’m the one who’s not doing a good enough job explaining.
I don’t fit in. Never have. Society is built for the people of average intelligence since they are in majority. For the below average ones there’s a safety net in most cases. I wish there was one for the above average ones. I may be smart but that is in NO way helpful in trying to get through this confusing concept called life! I’m on disability and have been for 20 years! And I’m 40!
It SO doesn’t help with men! Men could not be any less interested in your IQ, they just want you to be happy and grateful and horny.
Oh, and then there is that shame thing. You’re supposed to NEVER EVER EVER mention that you happen to have a high IQ because WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You so much as mention it once and you are a stuck up bitch who is looking down her nose at others.
What you wrote about people always misunderstanding you… Yeah, I’m starting to get it. It’s not me, it’s them. I can explain until the cows come home but if I do that for a while and they still don’t get it then they start feeling like I might think that they are dumbasses (which I do although I try to stretch my patience and contain my frustration in order to hide my thoughts on the matter) in which case they respond with aggression and abuse to show me that I have no business coming here and blah blah blah…
There is zero winning with a high IQ. Yes, I concede, some seem to be able to make it work for them, but I am completely oblivious as to how! I think there must be another factor. Something separate from just intelligence. A quality, a gene. I tend to think of it as the chess gene. High IQ people are known for being such masters at chess. I suck HARD at chess! I completely lack the ability to plan 19 steps ahead and manipulate the situation. I know plenty of people with significantly lower IQs than mine who have this ability. They float through life. Everything seems so smooth for them. They even rock at chess which of course convinces them that I’m in reality a dumbass since I can’t beat the first level of a chess game against the computer….
Maybe I’m the only high IQ person that lacks the chess gene, I don’t know. It’s just something I’ve been pondering.
I know I’m not mistaken. I have taken enough IQ tests in my, even the Mensa one, to know that I’m at least around 140. But sadly, I will always remain a loser at life.
Anyway, thank you so much for this post! It was a very necessary one!
It seems you need to vent once in awhile. I can dig that, man.
Say, you ever try focusing on emotional reciprocity in interpersonal exchange as opposed to intellectual capacities?
You may find that they have a few strengths where you have a few weaknesses.
And also, when this frustration happens, if it does still go on, maybe you could consider other factors aside from intelligence, to help you grow in patience rather than in anger.
Like…processing speed…the ability to reduce uncertainty…learning disorders…so it goes.
Your estimations may often be more inaccurate than you presume.
And lastly, consider the concept that a high IQ has nothing to do with communicative intelligence. That is, people and street smarts. Have you considered that you’re kinda socially inadequate? and that that has nothing to do with general and abstract intelligence?
All right, look, I am banning you.
HAND!
“I must honestly say that my brains have never done my much of any good, and any good they have done has been massively counteracted by all of the negative stuff. They’ve turned off way more women than they turned on. They’ve hardly made me a nickel. They openly and objectively turn off the vast majority of people I meet. They’re essentially useless as far as making a good show in the interpersonal world and the world of money and success, or maybe worse than useless, an actual hindrance.”
I can relate to all but the money, I am doing well making money by making websites and online marketing, intelligence does convert to cold hard cash if your doing it right, the only thing is, I have to dumb down all the creative stuff (generic and simple has mass appeal).
” Worse, they are getting a 100% inaccurate message from what I am communicating. Often the message they are getting is the exact opposite of what I am communicating. It’s very common that people claim I am communicating a view that I actually hate.”
This ^ is the worst, happens a lot and sometimes it’s just too awkward to correct people. My really dumb friends often repeat something that was just said on tv or by someone else, but use different words that totally mess up the meaning of what was said. The worst part is they are usually stubborn about the “facts” they have learned through such misunderstandings.
“It’s true. When you’re as smart as I am, a good 85% of the people you meet day in and day out seem like total fucking drooling retarded ass pinheads. They’re so stupid and so incapable of understanding that you’re almost afraid to even talk to them because half the stuff you say is either misunderstood or not comprehended at all.”
PREACH!
I have very stupid friends and it’s refreshing to hear someone who experiences the same things I do. Dumb people often think I’m the idiot because I usually cant make much conversation with them and it can be discouraging for me, sometimes I even worry I have a mental illness. But to hear the same things from you reassures me of my sanity in this crazy world. Sometimes I honestly fear for the stability of society.
This resonated with me. My I.Q. is also 147 and I do not feel that I can communicate effectively with the majority of the population. I have also been intrigued by the link between intelligence and alcoholism.