This is the classic question that is used by Bigfoot skeptics to deny the existence of Bigfoot.
Actually, it’s a dumb question, because the answer is supposedly no, no one, hunter or otherwise, has ever shot a Bigfoot. But it’s not true. As I will show, humans have shot and killed Bigfoots 36 times in the last 182 years. Humans shoot and kill Bigfoots on average of once five years.
Bigfoots Shot Dead by Humans
Unknown date: Klakas Inlet, Southern Alaska. In far southern Alaska on Prince of Wales Island, a Bigfoot was reportedly shot and buried at the mouth of a stream on the north side of the inlet. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.
Unknown date: Sonora, Mexico. Rich Grumley reported that a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then buried it.
Date unknown, modern era: Location unknown. A wealthy hunter reportedly shot and killed a Bigfoot, then paid a taxidermist to stuff it, and it’s presently on display in a ritzy country club on the East Coast. Reported by Ray Crowe.
Unknown date, modern era: Yankton, Oregon. Near the Colombia River north of Portland, a hunter shot a Bigfoot four times between the eyes and killed it. It rolled off the road. The man came back 24 hours later, and the body was gone. There was a set of three tracks, possibly a family group – a male, a female and a juvenile. Reported by Ray Crowe.
Unknown date, modern era, Amboy, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, a hunter reported that he shot and killed a male Bigfoot on an old logging road. Upon hearing that there was a $10,000 fine for killing a Bigfoot, the hunter hung up the phone on the researcher. Reported by Ray Crowe.
June 20, 1829: Okefenokee Swamp, Georgia. A team of hunters set out in an attempt to track down and kill a Bigfoot in the swamp. After tracking for two weeks, they were set upon by the Bigfoot one night. The men opened up with all their guns, but it seemed useless. Five of the men were killed by the Bigfoot, who then tore all of the men’s heads off. The surviving men opened up on the Bigfoot, finally killing it. Reported by Augusta Chronicle, March 12, 2000 – “Hunters Told of Swamp Creature’s Attack.”
1855: SE Oklahoma, Choctaw Territory. Bigfoots had been raiding Choctaw settlements for some time, mostly stealing crops. But then they started stealing human children, apparently to kill and eat them, and the Choctaw had had enough. A party, organized by Joshua LeFlore, set out to get the Bigfoots. They tracked them to a mound where the dead children were that the Bigfoots had been killing and eating. The Bigfoots were covered in hair and smelled bad.
The search party’s horses all reared when they saw the Bigfoots. LeFlore emptied his pistol at a Bigfoot, but it was useless, and the Bigfoot ripped his head off. The rest of the team opened up on the Bigfoots with elephant guns, aiming at the head. Two Bigfoots dropped. The final Bigfoot was finished off with a hunting knife. The party makes a fire and burns the Bigfoots on the fire. 3 Bigfoots were killed in all.
1856: Ohio or West Virginia. Possible Bigfoot skeleton found with bullet holes in its skull. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.
July 4, 1884: East of Yale, British Colombia. In the Fraser River Region, railroad-men from the British Colombia Express Company’s train’s stopped their train when it seemed that someone was asleep near the tracks. A juvenile male Bigfoot woke up, barked, and started to climb up a steep bluff. The workers decided to chase him. One got up above him on the slope and dropped a rock on the Bigfoot. It disoriented him enough that they were able to get a rope around him, capture him and put him on the train.
They named the Bigfoot “Jacko.” Jacko had bruises on his head and upper body, and they assumed that he had gotten too near the edge of the bluff and had fallen over and landed, stunned, near the tracks. Jacko had been seen in the area where he was captured recently, but residents thought he was either a bear or a stray Indian dog.
Jacko was 4’7 and weighed 127 pounds and was covered with shiny black hair. He was extremely strong. Jacko did not communicate other than making half-bark, half-growl sounds. He was fed berries and milk. There are conflicting reports on what happened to Jacko. Some reports said he was taken into Yale where a man made a pet of him. Other reports said that Jacko escaped from the train before it got to Yale.
There are reports that soon after, a Bigfoot matching Jacko’s description was shot and killed in the same general area by a group of men.
There are other reports that say this whole matter was a hoax, but I believe it was true. For one thing, John Green received a letter from Adele Bastin, whose mother remembered that people in town continued to talk of Jacko long afterward. The best analysis of the case was by Myra Shackley. Reported by The Colonist of Victoria, British Colombia, July 4, 1884.
1900: Prince of Wales Island, Alaska. An Eskimo shot and buried a Bigfoot. The Eskimo came out of the forest onto the beach and was met face to face with a Bigfoot. He opened fire and killed the Bigfoot. He and two other Eskimos then buried the Bigfoot on the beach. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.
1905: Gardner Canal, British Colombia. On the coast of central British Colombia, a Bigfoot was reportedly shot and killed, but there are no further details. Reported on the British Colombia Scientific Cryptozoology Club website.
1921: Terrebone, Louisiana. Hunters killed a Bigfoot and dumped the body in an old well. Later a skeleton was found in the well and taken to the Tulane University anthropology department, where it disappeared. The anthropologists were not able to identify the skeleton and were mystified by it.
This is probably one of the best verified cases of the killing of a Bigfoot. After the skeleton was found in the well, many of the local college boys from Terrebone and Tulane University came around and took photos of it. Residents of Terrebone said that for many years afterward, as the college boys grew up, many of them still had photos of the Bigfoot skeleton.
Unfortunately, 90 years has now passed, but someone ought to go track this down and see if we can find any of those old photos. The skeptics will reject them anyway, but it would be nice to have them. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.
1924: Ape Canyon, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, miners shot and killed a Bigfoot, which fell off a cliff into a river below. Other Bigfoots retaliated and bombarded their cabin with rocks. There are reports saying that Ape Canyon was a hoax, but I don’t believe that. Reported by Fred Beck.
1928: South Bentnick Arm, near Bella Coola, British Colombia. On the coast of central British Colombia, George Talleo shot and killed a Bigfoot. He left the scene and did not come back. Reported by the Sasquatch-BC website.
After 1937: Green River, Washington. In the Cascades east of Tacoma, a hunter saw a bear grubbing in a log and shot and killed it. Turned out he had killed a Bigfoot. Feeling that he had shot a “hairy man” (a human being), he buried it under a pile of rocks and never told anyone until he confessed on his deathbed. Reported by Datus Perry.
1940: Southeastern Missouri. Jared Sparks killed a Bigfoot (he described it only as “like a gorilla”) that had been killing horses and cattle by tearing them apart. Disposition of body unknown. Reported by John Keel, Strange Creatures.
Fall 1941: Near Basket Lake, Manitoba. A 17 year old boy hunting out of season shot and killed a Bigfoot that he thought was a moose. He left it in the forest because he thought it was human and because he was hunting out of season. He went back sometime later, and the body was gone. The old man who shot this Bigfoot as a boy was recently extensively interviewed by Dr. John Bindernagel, PhD in wildlife biology. Bindernagel felt that the man was telling the truth about killing the Bigfoot. Reported on BFRO site.
1943: Georgia, near the South Carolina border. A Bigfoot was shot and killed by a shotguns, hit with 60 bullets after it was tracked by a group of men because it was killing sheep and calves by tearing off their legs. The reddish-brown Bigfoot was buried on the outskirts of town. Reported by Rich Grumley.
1953: Alder Creek Canyon, Sandy, Oregon. East of Portland, a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then buried the body. Reported by Peter Byrne.
1958-1960: Overton County, Tennessee. Bigfoot stealing chickens was shot dead by the owner of the chickens. They drove it around the area to see if anyone could identify it. No one had the faintest idea what it was. Disposition of body unknown. Reported by Mary Green.
1960′s: Douglas, Oregon: In the Cascades west of the Umpqua National Forest, a farmer shot a Bigfoot and then somehow managed to take it back to his house, where he left it outside. Other Bigfoots then came that night and retrieved the body. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.
1965: Kitimat, British Colombia. On the coast of central British Colombia, a Kitimat man shot and killed a Bigfoot near town. He was trying to drag the body away when other Bigfoots came out and tried to attack him. He barely escaped to his canoe. Reported on the British Colombia Scientific Cryptozoology Club website.
December 1967: Teton National Forest near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Two college students from Marshalltown, Iowa – Lyle Bingaman and Mike Burton – shot and killed a Bigfoot, thinking it was a bear. They were terrified that they had killed a human being and that they would be prosecuted for murder, so they left it where it was and didn’t talk about it for a long time. Reported by Peter Byrne.
1968: North of Carson, Wyoming. Three men were hired by a rancher to kill a Bigfoot that was killing his cows and sheep by tearing off their legs. Afterward, the body was picked up by a government helicopter and taken to a research facility in Almogordo, New Mexico to be autopsied and studied. Reported by Ray Crowe. Government coverup.
After 1968: Alabama. The same man involved in the Carson, Wyoming case above shot another Bigfoot later on. This time the government found out about it and was angry that he killed the Bigfoot. Reported by Ray Crowe. Government coverup.
1969: Whiteface Reservoir, Minnesota. A hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then put the body on ice and displayed it for awhile before replacing it with a plastic replica. The famous Minnesota Iceman story. Well documented case of a dead Bigfoot that was actually on public display for a while. It was examined by PhD scientists who said it was a real corpse and thought it was a “Neanderthal.”
The owner was very afraid of being prosecuted for homicide so he replaced it with a dummy and sent the real body packing. Then he changed his story multiple times, apparently out of fear of prosecution. The real Iceman is probably still with the estate of Jimmy Stewart.
After 1969: Clark, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, a man shot and killed a Bigfoot, then tried to sell it, but stopped when he thought it might have been illegal to kill the Bigfoot. No further details. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.
1970: Spokane, Washington. Grover Krantz reported that a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot.
June 1976: Baltimore, Maryland. As unlikely as it sounds, a Bigfoot was reported here in May 1976. Police were called, and K-9′s initially refused to track it. Finally, the dogs tracked it to an interstate tunnel. A police officer then saw it run under the interstate. The next month, US army personnel were called out to deal with the Bigfoot. Reports indicate that soldiers captured or killed the Bigfoot. No further information. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast. Government coverup.
January 1976: Elm Creek, Texas Panhandle. Three men shot and killed two Bigfoots. The first one charged them, so they shot it. Then another one charged them, so they shot it too. They dropped both Bigfoots, a male and a female. They buried the bodies down by a nearby creek. They were afraid they would be prosecuted for homicide. Recently told their story anonymously on a radio show.
January 2000: Honobia, Oklahoma. The Siege of Honobia. Bigfoot apparently shot and killed as part of a group that was raiding and harassing a rural residence. Other Bigfoots apparently carried off the dead Bigfoot. Two senior and well trusted members of the BFRO were there that night shooting guns at the Bigfoots and witnessed the killing. Reported by the BFRO site.
November 12, 2003: Lafollette, Tennessee. A Bigfoot had been killing peoples’ animals. A goat and cat at the very least had been killed. A woman called the sheriff, and they came out with a team of deputies and told everyone to get their pets indoors as they were going to eliminate these animals. They tracked the Bigfoot and shot it dead over the next hill.
There were sirens wailing, and the Bigfoot screamed as it was shot. The woman left the scene. People saw a black body (the Bigfoot) lying in a field the next morning. Ten minutes later, it vanished. Planes flew around the area night and day for two weeks. Many locals reported that there had been a hostile Bigfoot in the area and they were trying to appease it by leaving food out for it so it would not kill their animals. Reported by Mary Green. Government coverup.
August 2006: Slim Buttes, Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota. A Bigfoot that had been named Chiye-tanka was shot and killed on the reservation. It was later given to the School of Mines to study. They sent it back and it was given a ceremonial burial by Lakota elders. Reported by Ray Crowe. Government coverup.
Conclusion
From 1829-present, a 182 year period, 36 Bigfoots have been shot dead by humans, hunters or otherwise. Humans shoot and kill Bigfoots once every 5.1 years, or about once every 5 years. In most cases, after the Bigfoot was shot, it was simply left in the woods where it fell. In some cases, it was buried. In the modern era, people who shot Bigfoots were often afraid to talk about it for fear of being prosecuted. They often thought that they had killed some sort of a human being and would be prosecuted for manslaughter or homicide.
In recent years, government officials seem to be taking the bodies away after Bigfoots are shot dead. There is a possible government coverup occurring in recent years, since 1968.
In the future, humans will continue to shoot and kill Bigfoots in North America. In order for science to make use of these bodies, the legal question regarding shooting a Bigfoot to death needs to be resolved somehow. Otherwise, people who shoot and kill Bigfoots will continue to abandon them or bury them in the woods.
Bigfoot organizations should establish procedures about what to do the next time a Bigfoot is shot and killed. Probably the best plan would be to say that the organization is willing to accept any Bigfoot shot dead, no questions asked. The person could then donate the body to the organization without fear of being prosecuted. It’s doubtful that the government would go after the organization merely for holding a Bigfoot corpse.
The organization should then contact a scientist such as Dr. Meldrum immediately and probably arrange to have the corpse delivered to him. At the same time, notify the media. The government would have a hard time stealing the corpse away from Meldrum after the media have been notified.
Anyone who shoots and kills a Bigfoot should try to protect the corpse and notify either Bigfoot organizations or prominent scientists such as Dr. Meldrum. Do not notify the authorities. If you do, you’re likely to never see the body again.
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I could lose a whole day reading your blog! Especially when you draw me in with Bigfoot? Somebody pinch me! Great research. I agree the community should be prepared and plan for when we do have a body. That’s a great scenario; what if we got what we wanted and didn’t know what to do with it?Keep up the great posts, I love that your topics are all over the place. Give us a visit for the latest Bigfoot News at BigfootLunchClub.com
Thank you so much! BF is a recent fetish of mine. Who knows how long it will last. I tend to go on crazes. I like your site, too. Very nice.
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Hey, uhm… Those are GREAT stories about bigfoot being shot etc, however they are ONLY stories. I could link to many stories of other weird sightings that involve some odd creature being shot or seen, or stories like little red ridinghood.
The whole point is: NONE of those stories have EVER been validated. I will let you guess why none of them have been. =)
That’s ok. We aren’t worried about you people. We know Bigfoot exists. It’s as clear as air. I know a couple of people who have seen them, one more than once.
Nothing wrong with your theory, but please don’t try to conclude something is real with lack of validation or proof. There is a reason why “bigfoot” is a mystery still. (and it isnt because they are out there everywhere) It is a great legend, and will remain so. Reality? not so much.
You say that because you live back East. I live in California. A lot of us, especially those who have spent a huge amount of time in the woods like me, believe in these things. After all, the P-G film was shot right here in my state.
LOL. This is comedy gold.
I lived in WA state most of my life. Been hiking around St Helens many times and many other cool spots. I’m not trying to make fun of your theories but rather trying to show you that if there really was such an animal it would have to leave some sort of verifiable traces. Every animal does. Unless bigfoot is a ghost?
What do you think?
It has left verifiable traces. We have many photos and videos. Tens of thousands of footprints, many in deep wilderness, some extending for miles, that could not have been faked. We also have a ton of hair and scat. In addition, we have a Bigfoot tooth. We have also found a couple of BF skulls. One is lost on storage at UCLA. They said it was an “Indian.” The other is at Berkeley. A BF skeleton was turned in to Tulane University in 1921. They didn’t know what it was and it’s now lost. There is a BF jaw lost among the crates in the back of the British Colombia museum.
Bigfoot bones of various types and even dead Bigfoots have been found on a number of occasions. We have shot Bigfoots to death and run over them with cars and found their dead bodies. In recent years, government officials quickly arrive on the scene and cart the dead Bigfoot off, never to be seen again. There were up to 20 Bigfoots killed in the Mt. St. Helens eruption. There was a pile of them along with the other animal piles but it was guarded by National Guard. They were taken away in a government truck.
So, when we find dead Bigfoots recently, they fall victim to a government coverup. The government hauls them away never to be seen again.
We have BF teeth, bones, tissue, blood and saliva. It’s all been turned in to Melba Ketchum for her DNA study, which will be published soon.
How many times will people believe the “possible” “unknown” “soon to be publushed” things that never materialize with bigfoot related claims? Just saying. Time will tell, yet again.
We will see. The blockbuster stuff is supposed to come out a month, but it could take a lot longer. Depends how long the peer review is for Ketchum’s article. Could be up to a year.
I know these things exist. And I’ve never seen one, heard one, or anything.
I know people who have seen them. I know a guy who saw them at least 6 different times in 6 different years in 4 different states. I believe him. He’s a scientist and a former science professor (geology). No way is he hallucinating or lying.
Meet Bigfoot:
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There is no evidence for the existence of bigfoot and this collection of stories regarding hunters shooting them is just that; stories. I actually wish that bigfoot existed but 400+ years without a type specimin certainly makes that seem very unlikely.
This is freaking stupid. Everything this author just wrote is a load of crap. What a coincidence that the body magically disappeared 36 times and there was never any video, photographic evidence, or any media coverage of these stories. This article is a joke and makes bigfoot even less believable.
You know what the truth is? There really is a Bigfoot. It will be shown soon enough, and then who will look like a moron?
You know what else is true? You’re banned! Hahahahahahaha!
HAND asshole!
Robert, you are shooting the messenger. The fact remains that no evidence for bigfoot exists and most of the people realize that.
What do you mean evidence? There’s a ton of evidence. Just not enough evidence yet to prove it, such as an actual live or dead body, but that will come sooner or later, since of course Bigfoots exist.
We have video proof. The PGF video could not have been faked. And we have new video coming soon that will be even better.
Photo proof.
Over 40,000 eyewitness reports. I personally know people who have seen them 4-7 times, and I know these people are not lying. I’d bet my life on it.
We have tens of thousands of footprints, some going for miles, often found far off in the wilderness, and sometimes going for miles, in many cases, that no one could have faked and no one has been able to fake.
We have quite a bit of hair, scat, etc that comes back unknown primate.
We now have bone, tissue, teeth, hair and scat that is DNA testing out as a new species of hominid. Soon to be published in a major academic journal.
Indeed it is true that we lack a body per se, and I suppose we will need that to conclusively prove it, but to me anyway, the mountain of evidence is already plenty.
In my opinion, 40,000 sighting stories do not make bigfoot more likely,they make it less likely. This appears to be something that is SEEN everywhere but exists nowhere. It is impossible for an animal to leave no trace of itself in the environment yet be reported to build nests, inhabit all states and provinces and reagularly walk in front of people. To my knowledge, there is no dna or other biological evidence anywhere and all of the blurry pictures will never add up to one good picture. What is supposed to be credible evidence is never presented for peer review and is, in fact, only published on bigfoot/sasquatch friendly websites. If you have any other info I would indeed like to read it. Thanks for your time.
The PGF film, I am not sure if you are aware of it? It is certainly not a blurry film by any stretch of the imagination.
We have many reports of Bigfoots being shot by humans and even shot dead by humans. Before the modern era, no one knew what they were, or they just thought it was a “wild man,” and they would just leave it in the woods or maybe bury it. We have some deathbed confessions of people who shot them. Also, a number of dead bodies have been found. In the old days, people just left them there because they did not know what it was.
There is a report from 1962 of a dead Bigfoot being taken away by the US Forest Service. There was also a Department of Interior report on the body. They did not know what it was. All these reports have actual numbers and you can even look them up.
I am quite convinced that Bigfoots bury their dead. Further, I believe that BF bones look very much like human bones and if they are ever found, they are just labeled as human. In fact, we have a suspected BF skull that was labeled by the university of California as “American Indian.” We think it was a BF. It’s now lost in storage at UCLA.
Another BF skull was found recently in Oregon. After making the rounds, it make it to UC Berkeley. We received a note from a professor there saying that it was anew species, but they did not want to go through the politics of scientifically naming it.
In recent years, a number of BF’s have been killed, mostly by vehicles. A few live BF’s have been captured by the Forest Service or the BLM. One was burned ina forest fire. All present were forced to sign affadivits swearing that they would not talk about the burned BF on penalty of firing. We also have a recent report from Tennessee of a BF being killed by a large force from the sheriff’s department. The body was then taken away the next morning. This was a problem BF that had been killing many animals in the area.
Reports indicate that the location is sealed off and the bodies are spirited away by the US government. We have received a number of reports along these lines since 1967. We believe that there is a coverup in that the US government is spiriting the bodies of dead BF’s away in order to hide their existence.
I know the people involved in the DNA project. They have BF bone, tissue, hair, scat and teeth. They have sequenced it out, and it came out as an unknown hominid. One of the leaks out said it was between humans and Neandertals. The paper is out for peer review right now.
Recently, at a site in Kentucky, BF’s were observed by Dr. John Bindernagel, PhD, wildlife biology. In addition, they were seen on numerous occasions by Leila Hadj-Chikh, PhD, Biology.
All of these ‘reports’ are of no more value than a campfire story. I am well aware of the PGF and regard it as a hoax that has lasted a remarkably long time.Some of the dna samples you speak of have been reported on the web for years and yet here we are with still no result. I am unaware of any published finding anywhere but bigfoot friendly websites that claims proof of bigfoot by dna. The mounds of evidence always seem to stay just out of reach of the public for years. Your remark about a pending peer review has been noted elsewhere and I predict nothing will come of it. It will disappear into the great pit of bigfoot hokum that grows by the year. Please remember that bigfootery is rife with hoaxes and hoaxes so take everything with many grains of salt.
Ok, you don’t believe in the zillions of sighting reports. They’re all lying, hallucinating or misinterpreting things. You think the PGF is a hoax. That’s correct, Bigfoot DNA evidence has not been published yet. I see you reject the sighting reports of two PhD biologists, one a wildlife biologist. You’ve got your mind made up, haven’t you?
There’s nothing more to discuss here then, is there?
Oh, I’m sure there is much to be discussed. As to my mind being made up, all I require is real, tangible, testable evidence. I actually hope that happens but holding my breath waiting for it seems pointless. As I’m sure you knpw, the burden of proof rests with those making the claim and as far as I can tell, that burden is far from being met.
Actually there is not much to be discussed. You reject all of the excellent, though not probative evidence (in particular, I find footprints very compelling), and your real, tangible, testable evidence is not available yet.
In fact, there have been 168 different quick and dirty tests of BF DNA. In every case that I am aware of, it came back “human.” The hair and scat comes back “human” too. This is one of the big problems in the field.
I cannot provide you with empirical evidence of the non-existence of bigfoot because it is impossible to prove a negative. My opinion is that those who hold that bigfoot exists hold that view first and try to make the anecdotal ‘evidence’ fit that conclusion. I believe the Kentucky things you refer to are from The Erickson Project which has been ongoing since 2005 and, here we are, in 2011 with no published result. I think that in ten years, that will remain the same. If they publish anything in will not be in the journal Nature for instance but on their own website or sites like it. I do not find footprint casts at all compelling and I’m sure you are aware of the hoaxes in that regard. The PHD’s involved in bigfootery (Bindernagle, Meldrum, etc.) I think started out as interested and then maybe true believers but I wonder if they have not painted themselves into a bigfoot corner with no face saving way out.
If hair and scat samples are providing dna sequencing as human, does that not suggest to you that the samples came from humans?
Of course not. Many were collected at the scene of Bigfoot sightings. It’s utterly ridiculous to think that all of these samples are from humans. It’s preposterous.
What all of this is converging around is that Bigfoot itself is some sort of a human. This is all very confusing and it doesn’t make very much sense to me. To make the best sense of it, I would say that the evidence is pointing to the conclusion that the DNA is in the human line.
I see you reject the 2007 Bigfoot sighting by Dr. Bindernagel too. Ok then. And apparently you reject the multiple sightings by Dr. Hadj-Chikh, biologist. You see, we now have PhD biologists making sightings, and you are even rejecting those. You’re awful hard to please aren’t you.
Dr. Hadj-Chikh saw them on a number of occasions and she was able to shoot some video of some Bigfoots too. But you reject that too. Ok then.
Have you seen the video taken by the good Doctor Hadj-Chikh? I have not so I cannot comment. You may want to check your sources carefully as to the collection of samples and to begin to think like a hoaxer. If so many say that the subject in the PGF is “impossibly large to be human” how does the dna allegedly sequence as human. I’m sure you familiar with the tenet Occum’s Razor which loosely possits that the simplest answer to a question is usally correct, hence human dna equals human. As to the collection of samples regarding bigfoot, the biggest problem as I see it is the chain of custody of that evidence. As far as I can tell there is no such thing in bigfootery. Science is precise and the study of bigfoot needs to become that to be taken seriously.
No I have not seen the video. Actually I believe that the video was shot by Dennis Pfohl. It shows a closeup of a young female BF so close to the camera you can’t even believe it’s there. She is even biting her fingernails.
You are Gary Babbitt, professional scofftic. You don’t believe Bigfoot exists. According to you, it doesn’t, it will never be shown to exist. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss, eh?
No “human” DNA does not equal human. Anyway, what is coming out of all of this is that Bigfoot itself is some sort of “human.”
In this case, Occam’s razor fails pitifully. All of these samples from various places, with obviously non-human appearing hair non-human appearing scat, and now BF bone and BF tissue, both collected from BF sighting sites, all coming back as “human.” You mean Homo sapiens, like you and me, left all that stuff. Fuck that, that’s insane. It’s so ridiculous that it actually fails Occam’s Razor. OR does not allow implausible or ludicrous results.
The problem is that there is Homo sapiens sapiens, you and me, and then there is Bigfoot. Now, one guy I know thinks Bigfoot is Homo sapiens sasquatchensis, a subspecies of Homo sapiens. So BF’s and us are related as subspecies of a species are.
The leak coming out of the Erickson Project had BF’s as between Neandertal and humans. This might mean a new species.
IMHO, it is the notion that all of this vast weight of evidence is either hoaxed, liars, hallucinators or misindentification that fails Occam badly. According the Occam, the best explanation for all that data is that there is something out there.
Maybe “Occam’s Razor” needs to be clarified.
All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best. That is Occam’s Razor.
I am not a professional anything that I’m aware of. If you could direct me to the info you speak of I would be happy to read it, I just cannot find it anywhere on the web. My opinion is that there is no vast weight of evidence, and in fact, what is refered to as evidence has remained static for the last few years. I may be misunderstanding what you are saying, but there is no type specimin for bigfoot so there can be no definition as a species.
Then you´re just a professional stupid.
Cannot believe with all of the technology and the sightings within the last 5 years, not one clear picture or video. Not one. Just noises, blurry pictures and video time and time again. This guy says PROOF will be coming soon. Keep clinging man, whatever floats your boat, but I guarantee we will find nothing out of any significance anytime soon. Just more “reports” and blurry pictures. To think that something like this exists with no real proof (what you have is human dna) is like believing in Elvis sightings
Bamabuckster1 here,I think all this is just too much for the human mind.We think we know so much about our world,yet there are new discoveries made every day.Are we so high minded to think we know it all?I my self have seen a BF or something that was alot like a man.When I looked at it through my hunting rifle scope,I remember having to take a double take.Was I just seeing what I thought I saw?Since then I have become more aware of what is in the woods,I now look for the facts of the matter.And I have come to this conclusion,I believe there are things in this world that just defy human logic.Is it possible that thousands of people,culture’s,and evidance that we have is just a figment of our imagination?I don’t think so,just like the theory of big black cats.Well I saw one of those too,guess someone needs to tell it they don’t exist.If you would have told me three years ago,that BF was real I would have laughed in your face.But after seeing one myself,I just laugh to myself.Want to know why we are so affraid of the dark?Just go out into the deepest part of the woods and sit down,it won’t take long to figure out why.Im so glad I found your site,it is very informative and makes you stop and think.Im traveling to Ohio in July to do some research myself,if I find something there you will be the first to know.
Hi there Paul! Welcome to the site. It’s very nice to have you on board. I am so happy for you for having seen a Bigfoot! I have never been so honored myself. Please stop by any time!
Why would the govt. feel the need to “cover up”? Do you know Dr. Ketchum personally? I am very interested in this subject and wonder if you have any info as to when the white paper they are working on will finally be released? I am more inclined to believe these things are real actually at this moment, but still have doubts. I’m giving this phenomena 10 years at most to get to the bottom of it, there’s no way it should take any longer than that. Is there any better videos than the pgf? Because it seems there at least should be by now, but u never know I guess. Being that the PGF is one of the main things keeping this legend alive, u wonder what it would be like if they never even got that footage? I think its a sasquatch because it def cant be a man in a suit but everyone has their opinion. Just think though- if that footage was made in this day and age it would be that much easier for people to say it is fake. I am also inclined to believe that both Patterson and Gimlin are not both gonna go to the grave swearing this was authentic, just as a hoax. This film is so instrumental to the idea of these things existing, its really crazy to think about.
I know Ketchum a little bit, yes.
The government covers it up, I think, because they don’t want people to panic. Not sure of other reasons.
Panic over what? Some type of great ape living in North America? There are many things worse than that going on everyday, and I don’t see anyone in a panic. Doesn’t the government have more important things to cover up than a new primate species?
So when are they planning to release it and do you think their paper and the findings will finally prove the existence of Sasquatches? How long do you think it will be before more people start taking the issue seriously and the government won’t be able to cover everything up anymore?
I don’t think Ketchum will ever release her study. The delays have gone on forever. It’s been delayed for 3 years.
I don’t know if Erickson will ever release his movies either. They have been delayed for 6 years now.
A lot of us are getting seriously pissed off over all this waiting, and that’s why all these leaks are happening. People are mad!
Ok, I just read in one of the recent blogs on the North America Bigfoot Search website that they acknowledged the process has been three years in the making and Dr. Ketchum is still working on it. It will be worth the wait they say and should be done soon. I sure hope soon means within the next year or two at most…
Paulides has thrown in his towel with Ketchum. He’s been saying, “Coming up soon,” forever now. I’m sick and tired of hearing it. The report will never be published.
There has never been anything to publish. This has been a scam from the beginning with the only question being who, within the Erickson Project, was scammed and who did the scamming.
Yaaawn…
as a 20 year military veteran, i have been all over the globe and in many areas where the woods are so thick you cant possibly just navigate them. All the skeptics fail to realize one thing, we have some fossils found in vietnam of a large bipedal ape( sasquatch). Native Americans have many accounts here in our country. In the Himalayas, sherpas have seen these large gorillas (thats what i think they are) Its so easy for people to debunk what they dont have in front of them( a bigfoot body) Let me just say as a credible witness, there are some things i have seen just training here in America that was no black bear or grizzly, and anyone stupid enough to dress in a suit risks getting their ass shot. Jeff Meldrum has proven that some tracks are of a large primate along with dna from hair and blood. Jane Goodall also commented that there are large apes out there on are planet that avoid humans, and look how long it took for her to discover the large silverbacks in Africa. The PG film has been proven by current technology to be a real creature. And the Mt. St. Helens story is correct, some large gorilla type creatures were killed and then taken away by air and vehicle by the local military, sorry skeptics, there are big apes out there still. I too am po’d that we dont have a body captured yet, but i hold out hope to see one soon with all of our technology.
For most people, there will be no evidence that Poland exists because they have never been there. Of course they will recite anecdotal evidence or even show films and pictures which still doesn’t prove Poland exist. We don’t even have any proof they are taken from Poland either. There will be some who even claim to have been there. In the end, the stories of Poland existence will be just that – stories. You can BELIEVE Poland exists but we will really just never know.
These posts are fascinating. I have a suggestion for those who honestly want to know what to do with a Sasquatch body. The United States has eight Primate Research Labs, paid for by our National Institutes of Health. Find your nearest one and write down the number. Next time you kill a large, hairy creature, call the Primate Lab nearest you.
They can never be found. look for bears with there lower jars removed the BF males do this.
I, even though i have never heard (or seen) one, highly belive they exist! Please don’t stop beliving in bigfoot because of these people. They just are too simple minded to accept what they don’t know. There was a time that people thought that a huge stingray can not live in fresh water. Look at it now. Also i beleive that all these blurry images are due to fear or adrenalin. Wouldn’t you be scared if a 10 foot tall behemoth of an animal was comming your way? That is all.
This whole topic is fascinating. I have been following this for years. The stories just keep coming in. I remember the rumours I would hear as a child growing up in NC. In those days people hunted much more. I remember the story in Georgia in the mid-1800′s when hunters killed a monster in the swamps. I think of the stories from the Causcasus. Then it hit me, like everyghing else the government investigates things, then judges whether the population can handle the info, and classifies the info if it is deemed too controversial. UFO’s come to mind. Anyway, I thought, let’s see if there is a forum that discusses the Sasquatch topic. I still don’t know but am open. There are just too many credible people who have come forward with eye witness accounts. The accounts above, where it is pointed out that when a sasquatch is killed, the government comes and confiscates the bodies make sense. I like the comment above when the gentleman points to our primordial fear of the deep woods. I hope credible information on this comes out soon
Gerry Barnes
I live about 80 miles from where patterson shot his famous footage.I live,hunt and work in the woods logging,around here.Hunt bear and varments with hounds ,i guess i can say i know every crack on a ticks ass in these woods,peoples talking about find bones,uh..I found only one bear skull in my life and it was because someone poached it and it died where it should’nt have and never found no mtn.lion at all.now if i wanted to disappear in my neck of the woods id just walk off the side of the road and be gone theres know one gonna find me in this thick brush its to spread out ,brushy and steep as hell i know i work in it.strange things happen in the woods if people would just sit down watch and listen you have to know the woods.But theres alot of people just blab off at the mouth not knowing what there talking about.I heard some where that humans use 10% of there brain,i wonder how much the big man useing.And i think the gov.does have a reason to have there hand in it,because this thing has a gift ,what if are soldiers had this stealthyness and whatever else??? Ive never seen one and that man i believe.
2012 saw a history channel commentary on this….
none of the thing u have here are true but……..
there was a case were the russian army killed a prehistoric man thinking it was a rebel soldier during revolutionary times.
he was human but very large and hairy.
wat a shame… he would of made a fine live specimen
Oh how easy it is for the know-it-all skeptics to judge and comment on the non-existence of bigfoot from the warmth and comfort of their couches! If you won`t get off your asses to do the research, then appreciate the people who do. Spending their free time, weathering the elements, using their own money, risking ridicule and their reputations only to be laughed at? The evidence is there. Dermal ridges that run along the footprints in an unusual pattern, scarring and deformation on some of them, depth of the footprints that only a 300lb plus creature could create, hair and dna samples which are primate-like but non-human and the list goes on. More and more scientists, primatologists, and forensic specialists are adding their names and reputations to proving these creatures exist. Unfortunately it would seem that only the body of a dead or live one would be enough to convince these moronic skeptics of their existence. Even then I doubt it.The non believers, skeptics and hoaxers MUST be ignored in order to advance the research and prove once and for all the existence of bigfoot. I know they’re out there and it’s just a matter of time before the skeptics eat crow! Humiliation might taste sweeter with a side of humble pie!
Peace out.
Read an interesting, apochryphal story years ago about Russian trappers in northern California in the early 19th century, before we bought Alaska from the Czar. Story goes they shot a bigfoot and hauled it back home with them, where it was mounted and is languishing in some sub cellar in a natural history museum in St. Petersburg. This from an American botanist who was involved in some sort of botanical survey in Russia years ago. Could be bullshit. i wich I could remember the scientist’ name…
hahaha this is ridiculous! This whole post has been, “This unidentified guy in an unidentified place at an unidentified time shot a bigfoot and buried it. It was a government coverup.”
You know how fucking stupid you sound? Seriously. If someone shot a sasquatch, they wouldn’t just bury it and never show anyone. Jesus Christ… You’re either gullible as fuck or a goddamn liar.
Hahaha idiot!
You’re banned scumbag. Have a nice death.
why did they bury the body every time that makes no sense at all
it pisses me off. How dare that kind of filthy and non-intelligent creatures try to defy humans? The interesting question here is – how the heck does human fail to find out about Big foot? Imagine. If 1000 to 5000 hunters with guns surround the forest that Big foot report is frequent, they will definitely acquire tangible evidence that indicates Big foot’s existence. Human has technology that defies the natural habitat and environment. In fact, we can track even the smallest device found in this planet. The number of you seems to claim that there are some creatures that cannot be found by human. But guess what? That’s a stupid claim. What do Big foots have? Tracking device to hide themselves from us? Or air shuttles? Let’s think about this scientifically and let’s not cloud our mind with stupid propaganda. You people are seriously deluded ^^. If I see the Big Foot, first thing I will do is shooting him!! And Crush him to pieces so that he can be the decoration of human’s rare achievements in scientific field. I guess I am not that only one who is thinking of this thing. Yet, you are saying that people just bury them???? All of them??? The last thing is that why the heck does government need to disguise the fact that Big Foot exists??? HAHAHA it is ridiculous. I read some scientific news paper and I hear how scientists get to know the new marine species. Even the great Octopus or Giant Squid is publicized. Is Bigfoot harmful data? Or it is gov.’s secret? Stop making the Ridiculous claim. All you guys claiming to be firm truth is undefined theory that is far from logical and scientific explanation. Foot prints and all the evidence you guys provided are presented by some of the scientists – not the majority. Go ahead, and pray that he exists. And I will tell you that Bigfoot will not be verified even after 100 or 1000 years. There are number of people like you who will go crazy over the little evidence that is not supported by majority. Maybe, if there is something out of blue, Gorilla goes crazy in the zoo and escape to the forest hahahahahah. Or intelligent ape planning to dominate over human race ????? It;s funny to even say this ridiculous thing. Grow up boys.
How can we argue with that. :/
I do feel like a racist now, as my internal monologue while reading was definitely in Engrish.
LOL. When someone walks into their surprise party she probably yells, Supplys! :/
I’m guessing English is not your primary language? If there were no physical evidence there could be no DNA testing, and there is DNA testing, genius. As you will soon see. Youre just another scofftick who hasnt read the literature and doesnt really know what he’s talking about…yet has an opinion on the subject. Read the scientific papers of Fahrenbach, Meldrum, Bindernagel, Coon, Kirlin, and many others…then your opinion will be worth listening to.
you talk about English? I got accepted University of Washington ^^. I am pretty well educated than most of American. My class is certainly higher than most of you ^^
you are uneducated xx who doesn’t know its place.
“If I see the Big Foot, first thing I will do is shooting him!!”
And you call yourself “educated” and “higher class”? LOLOLOL
That’s the best laugh I’ve had all day. Crawl back under your rock don’t come out until we say so.
you piece of shit ^^. Who the fuck are you? Do you even know who am I ??? you fucking commoners. I will tell you this one thing for sure. If I see you on the street, you are dead ^^. Now go lick your mother’s pussy and learn how to treat people who are higher than you. People like you who don’t even have culture claim that they are superior because they are native English speaker hahahahahahaha. Guess what? Asian like me graduate from top schools in your country and sustain your economy. So learn your place before your mother gets cramped by my device. I gave your family my specific cheese cream from my pants – they said that it was the best supply that they ever had. If you dare to speak to me in this way, I will make sure to replace your face with my ass.
Sorry, I’m not buying this… fellow?
It seems that all you got for your so-called education was a filthy mouth.
Re; 1855: SE Oklahoma, Choctaw Territory incident.
I have read variations of this story for the last 11 years online, each time with different names and dates. Through my own geneologcal research of the LeFlore family (distant cousins), there is only one Joshua LeFlore listed on any Choctaw roll/census. This Joshua died in 1898 of natural causes. As far as any account being documented or passed down through story, Choctaw historians have no such account nor know of any instance where a person had been harmed by a bigfoot. I visit with the Choctaw Nation Antiquities curator on a regular basis as well as visit to view the archives for my own research. I’d invite anyone wanting to learn more or validate what I say to please contact these nice people as they are very cordial and willing to help. There are recorded stories of “bigfoot” like creatures but none having to do with attacks, deaths, kidnapping, etc. Also, the correct term of location is “Indian Territory”, not “Choctaw Territory”.
And may I also add, the original story which was found on a TX bigfoot site over a decade ago as told from a story passed down outlined that it was white settlers being attacked and kidnapped in the 1870′s. A troop of calvary from a nearby fort were charged with the tracking of a bigfoot type animal whereby contact was made through Choctaw trackers. As the story goes, several bigfoot attacked the column of mounted troops, killing many before a defensive position could be set up. Eventually, a dozen men and 15 bigfoot were killed. The bodies of the bf were stacked and burned. And again, there is no record in any of the histories of forts within that region nor any written accounts.
You have to remember that back “in those days”, multiple newspapers could be found supporting even remote communities. The Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) was no exception. Post Civil War newspapermen headed west in droves and set up shop wherever they could pitch a tent. ANY news was reported, as mundane as someone within the community travelling to the next town to visit relatives or widow Jones suffering from polen alergies. Animal attacks were huge news, even sightings of a bear, wolf, cougar would make the front page and give excuse for the “men folk” to saddle up and go hunting the animal down. How an event of this magnitude did not make any level of recorded history lends to fanciful imagination.