Race, Gender and Masculinity/Femininity

Repost from the old site.

Steve Sailer got pilloried for saying what I will repeat and elaborate on below, but I really do think that he was onto something.

Truth is, men want a woman who is somewhat more feminine and women want a man who is somewhat more masculine.

White men think a lot of White women are bitches (too masculine), so they go for Asian women, who are relatively more feminine. White men avoid Black women, as they are even more masculine that White women.

A lot of White women think White guys are wimps, so they go for Black guys who are more masculine. An Asian guy is even more feminine than a White guy, so forget that.

Black women like Black men, since both are masculine. They think White guys are wimpy, and Asians are out of the question.

Black men want a woman who is more feminine, so they go for White women. Asians would be nice, but they are probably out of reach.

Asian women want a guy who is more masculine, so they go for a White guy. A Black guy is probably so overmasculine that he seems scary.

The losers in this game are Black women and Asian men, at least in the US. The above only applies to the US. In Asia, Asian men seem just fine because there are no White men to compare them too. In societies with few Blacks, White men may seem just fine to most White women. In Black societies, Black men come to appreciate Black women as there is no one to compare to.

There is actually some good evidence that all of the above is occurring. I am involved in a Yahoo group about romance fraud on the web. This group is swarming with White women who are hooking up with Black men. There is also good evidence that large numbers of Asian women are going for White guys.

Asian men are also extremely sexist (as their cultures dictate) so many Asian women think a White guy is going to treat them better.

Black men have told me that Black women think White guys are wimps, and my not-so-great experience dating Black women (Hopefully not to be repeated!) tells me the same thing. Black women are also the most cynical, manipulative and materialistic women I ever dated, but I’ve only dated a few.

I actually never considered Asian guys wimpy or feminine at all, since they have cultivated a culture of extreme sexism, contempt for homosexuality, and respect for classic masculine and male norms.

However, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence out there that many Asian women in the US are finding many Asian guys to be feminine (they are saying this because they now compare Asian men with White men, whereas in Asia there are only Asian men, so Asian guys seem fine). Asian men do lack body hair, etc. and probably have lower testosterone.

You can go to Asian nationalist sites in the US that are swarming with furious young single Asian men ranting about so many of their women dating White guys. They are also cultivating an image of masculinity, with lots of posts about Asian athletes and famous Asian warriors. They seem to want to date White women as a way to get even, or even get some period, so there are lots of posts about Asian guys and White women.

There also seems to be a tendency that the female goes for the more masculine guy, and then he treats her like crap. For instance, we have tons of stories of White women going for Black guys due to their being more masculine, and then the guy just refuses to work and lives off the woman, cheats on her and treats her like crap. She puts up with it because she wants a masculine man so badly.

We are also hearing of many Asian female – White male relationships where the same thing is going on – the White male refuses to work and just lives off the woman, cheats on her and treats her like crap. She puts up with it once again because she wants to be with a masculine man so much she will tolerate being mistreated.

It even works within races. I’m White, and since high school, I have been hearing nice guys wail about how women and girls won’t fuck them and even treat them like crap and how the biggest assholes who treat women like total shit have women coming out their ears. Women say they want a nice guy, but then they get with one, and his niceness seems wimpy to them, so they go for a more masculine guy who treats her poorly.

Obviously, there are a lot of folks for whom this stuff doesn’t apply, but I think that Sailer has hit on something here.

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71 Responses to Race, Gender and Masculinity/Femininity

  1. Hacienda

    LOL. Ridiculous. But funny stuff. You’re funny when you try to be bitchy.

  2. tulio

    Most black women seem to want black men, most white women seem to want white men. Most Latinas seem to want Latino men. It seems like only Asian women in America mostly want to date out of their race. What surprises me about Asian countries is that the men don’t seem to have any problem with sex tourists flying in from all over the world to fuck their women. Places like Thailand and Philippines. I heard that in Eastern Europe and Russia, they will beat foreigners asses if they think you are going there to exploit the girls. They are very possessive about their women. I think Mongolia is the one country in Asia that is like that. I’ve heard some Koreans can be too, though nothing like Mongolians. But I don’t think it’s the case in China, Japan and certainly not in SE Asia.

    • Bay Area Guy

      I’ve heard that in Eastern Europe and Russia, they will beat foreigners asses if they think you are going there to exploit the girls.

      Yeah, of all the places in the world to fuck around when traveling, the Eastern European/Russian region doesn’t seem to be one of them.

      Something tells me they wouldn’t tolerate creepy sex tourists like they do in Thailand or Brazil.

      • Bay Area Guy

        By the way, I remember you posting a very interesting article on Mongolian neo-nazis.

        I wouldn’t say Asian men exactly tolerate it. That story about those Chinese men rioting because Africans were fucking Chinese women and excluding Chinese men from the partying comes to mind.

        I don’t think such a party could have even been held in the first place in places like Russia. Foreigners trying to hold a party where they fuck the native women and exclude the native men would have gotten their asses beat before they even contacted the girls.

        • tulio

          I think those Chinese guys were mad because they were being excluded from the parties, not so much because black dudes were dating Chinese women. Though the anger may emanate more from the shortage of women than any hostility to interracial sex per se. I have a black buddy who lives in Tokyo with his Japanese wife and he seems to have no issues whatsoever. I hear that in Korea, some Korean guys get drunk and want to start fights with foreigners dating Korean women, but I don’t know how widespread that is and U.S. servicemen probably somewhat deserve it since they can get out of hand. I never hear any reports of anger from SE Asian men at foreign guys having their way with the local women.

    • Hacienda

      “Most black women seem to want black men, ”

      You mean they got a choice?

  3. DC

    How do guys wuth anxiety dissorders figure into the mating market?

  4. governmentcheese

    Women hate males who are nice because it comes across as being submissive. Submissive males rank lower in the social order. They want the male who makes the other males submit.

    This mental heuristic of theirs can be fooled, however, by acting like a dominant jerk even if you are genetically inferior. It’s the rare mind that doesn’t conflate correlation with causation.

  5. nazbol

    Kike guys are pretty effeminate too, yet they have no problem. Look at Woody Allen. If Asian guys had the same money and power as the kikes, there would be no Asian guys complaining. Please dont tell me women with find scrawny guys with curly hair, hook nose, sloping forehead and beady eyes attractive just on looks alone.

    • nazbol

      Rob, I think you’re peddling bullshit on this one.

    • Bay Area Guy

      If Asian guys had the same money and power as the kikes, there would be no Asian guys complaining.

      That would be a very interesting question: What if Asian Americans possessed the same political, social, and economic power that Jews possessed? Would they still have problems keeping their women?

      Also, an analysis showing the dating patterns of different Asian ethnic groups (ie. which one marries out the most) would be interesting. I’ve heard Filipinas marry out quite heavily.

      Filipinos seem to be the most racially/ethnically promiscuous, at least based on my impression. Filipinos in general are kinda weird, in my opinion. Many Filipino men don’t really inspire a ton of respect. Either they’re really goofy/weird, or they’re wannabe black.

      I don’t really think of Filipinos as “Asians.” Many of them are too dark and Pacific Islander looking. When I think of “Asians,” Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Thai people come to mind.

      • nazbol

        Actually Thais are pretty dark as well. In SE Asia, the line between Mongoloid and Pacific Islander are blurred. Vietnam and Laos are the most Mongoloid in SE Asia. Filipinos are the 2nd largest Asian group in America, after Chinese, by the way.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Good point.

          Thais and Cambodians can also be pretty dark.

          At the same time, Thais just come across as more Asian/Mongoloid looking than Filipinos.

          It’s just weird seeing brown-skinned, Asian looking people with Spanish surnames.

          Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese seem like truer Asians.

        • nazbol

          “It’s just weird seeing brown-skinned, Asian looking people with Spanish surnames. ”

          Mexicans? Hehe….

        • Bay Area Guy

          @ FPY

          Hehe, good one!

          Yeah, I recall once getting ready for a plane flight, and one of the passengers (apparently drunk) was getting all pissed off and heated because someone thought he was Mexican, when he was actually Filipino.

          All the more reason why Filipinos aren’t true Asians.

          No way a Chinese or Korean person would get mistaken for a Mexican!

        • tulio

          Filipinos have a wide array of looks. I have a Filipino buddy who looks completely Han Chinese to me. I’ve seen some with the very dark more Pacific Islander look. Most of them are sort of an Asian “mestizo” at the crossroads of Spanish, Pacific Islander and Chinese. And some look quite Caucasian too. They are an interesting mix. Another interesting group of Asians is Indonesians. They have a wide variety of looks too and probably the most beautiful Asian women there are.

        • Hacienda

          ‘”They have a wide variety of looks too and probably the most beautiful Asian women there are.”

          Elegance. Indonesian elegance. Look but don’t touch.

          Kazakh women are fetching. Nice blend of Mongol and Slavic features.

          Korean women, sad to say are vastly overrated. Stay away.

        • nazbol

          Actually Kazakhs are Iranic/Mongol blend.

        • Hacienda

          Iranic/Mongol. Righto. You got me, there R2.

          Should’ve picked that up just by pictures. Lack of dirty brown hair would’ve been the 1st clue.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Yeah, I guess you could say Filipinos are the “Latinos” of Asia. I mean, hey, many of them get mistaken for Mexican.

          That being said, Hispanic men are much more protective of their women, and more manly.

        • Bay Area Guy

          It’s just funny seeing Filipino wannabe ghetto guys, dressed in their baggy clothes, saying nigga to each other, and then all of a sudden blurting out Tagalog rapid fire.

          It’s pretty funny witnessing the ghetto act juxtaposed against the fobby Tagalog act.

          It’s like, sorry pal, but you just went from gangsta to geek! LOL!

        • tulio

          I’ve never heard any young Filipinos speaking Tagalog. Not saying they don’t, I’ve just never heard it. At least amongst the ones born in America.

          American culture is big in PH and they emulate a lot of stuff they see in videos and on MTV so it’s not surprise that some of them have adopted the hiphop lifestyle.

        • tulio

          BAG said: “Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese seem like truer Asians.”

          It seems like you are equating “Asian-ness” with light skin color. Is there any justification behind that? That’s like saying whites are more authentic Caucasians than Dravidians just because they have light skin. I think the darker Asians are just a different variety of Mongoloid, not any less Asian than the NE Asians.

        • Bay Area Guy

          It seems like you are equating “Asian-ness” with light skin color. Is there any justification behind that? That’s like saying whites are more authentic Caucasians than Dravidians just because they have light skin. I think the darker Asians are just a different variety of Mongoloid, not any less Asian than the NE Asians.

          Not light skin color alone, but mongoloid features as well.

          It depends on how you classify “Caucasian,” but when people think of “Caucasian,” white Europeans and their descendants come to mind.

          It depends on whether or not you regard “Asian” as a geographical or racial category. At least in the U.S., it’s more of the latter.

          A good example of this dilemma are Indians. While they technically count as “Asian,” they don’t look Mongoloid, and many even look Caucasian.

          That is a good question. I guess I’ll have to think more about it. To me, I consider Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Thais, Hmong, Laotians, and Cambodians to be Asian.

          Indians and Filipinos, not so much. Although with Filipinos, I determine whether or not they’re Asian based on phenotype. I’ve known Filipinos who look very Han/Mongoloid, and others who look more Pacific Islander.

    • governmentcheese

      Jews are unusual in how polarized their personalities are. The ones I’ve worked with are either very neurotic shlemiels (like Woody Allen) or super-aggressive, in-your-face like Michael Savage or Rahm Emmanuel. The women eat up the latter types.

      • nazbol

        Yes but the latter types still have those repulsive, mutant Ashkenazi looks. Its easy to be super-aggressive when you know you run the country. By nature, kikes are cowards. They will shoot unarmed Arab women in Gaza but back in the 1940s, the Germans and other Europeans ate the shit out of them when they got too uppity and arrogant.

        • Hacienda

          “repulsive, mutant Ashkenazi looks. ”

          True, that. Bug-eyed, wild haired, rabbit eared, extreme front/back skull angularism with pirate knife nose.

          It can be pretty damn repulsive. Woody Allen, Einstein, Adam Sandler, John Stewart from certain angles.

  6. nazbol

    Most Mexicans are technically Asiatics themselves, especially if they are more Indian than Spanish. I think the reason why they look like Filipinos is because all Amerindians are originally Mongoloids from Siberia, but the Mexicans, and anybody to the south of them, evolved in a tropical climate.
    Filipinos and their kind are basically tropical Mongoloids, with some Australoid as well.

  7. Huax

    “An Asian guy is even more feminine than a White guy, so forget that.”

    Even if Asian was a race, which it is not, it’s not true. Northeast and East Asians are not feminine at all. In fact, they probably have the least estrogen out of all men, with the same amounts of testosterone.

    “Black women like Black men, since both are masculine. They think White guys are wimpy, and Asians are out of the question.”

    Please, give me a break. If you think black women are in any position to reject East Asian men, you are insane. If we wanted black women we’d just buy 100,000,000 of them for $20 each.

    “Asian women want a guy who is more masculine, so they go for a White guy. A Black guy is probably so overmasculine that he seems scary.”

    Then how do you explain white, Arab and Persian women willingly marring Turks, Mongols and North Chinese for centuries? No, it wasn’t all rape- especially with the Chinese. There are countless Chinese legal records of blonde haired refugees running away from nomadic confederacies and selling themselves to Chinese citizens to escape their homelands.

    “The losers in this game are Black women and Asian men, at least in the US. ”

    Assuming “quality” means nothing, yes. Women who enjoy being beaten up come from a certain class, shall we say, of people. Higher IQ (and thus better looking, healthier, etc) women are more likely to prioritize intelligence, which has obvious outcomes.

    “There is also good evidence that large numbers of Asian women are going for White guys.”

    They are generally less attractive and less intelligent than the ones who do not date out.

    “Asian men are also extremely sexist (as their cultures dictate) so many Asian women think a White guy is going to treat them better.”

    Are you joking or do you actually believe “Asian” is a culture? And I suppose black men are so unsexist that white women like them, right? That’s an excuse you hear from whitewashed and unattractive Asian women who want a PC excuse for dating out. They are generally as dumb as they sound when saying it.

    “contempt for homosexuality”

    What? China is one of the few nations to never really persecute homosexuality despite pressure from Muslim neighbors. Japan is generally the same. India and Tibet, likewise. I’m having trouble pin-pointing the “culture” you are speaking of.

    • Hacienda

      “If we wanted black women we’d just buy 100,000,000 of them for $20 each.”

      The going rate for a black prostitute on the street in LA is $20. Assuming she’s not insane and drugged up. Those are basically free.

      Asian prostitutes are same market value as white prostitutes, although there is much greater per capita supply of Asians in LA. Per capita, I would guess Asian prostitutes would be greater market value than white prostitutes. Especially Japanese and Korean. Tells you where things stand.

      Jews dominate the porn industry because they are outlier whites. Smart but vanquished. Porn is a way for them to feel like they are “getting even”, not being used.

      Black men more masculine than whites and Asians? Rob’s been living in the dumbest county in America for too long. It’s warping his vision.

    • tulio

      “Please, give me a break. If you think black women are in any position to reject East Asian men, you are insane. If we wanted black women we’d just buy 100,000,000 of them for $20 each.”

      Everytime I’ve asked a black woman would you ever date an Asian man she looks at me as if I lost my mind. Although I did meet one black woman in my life who only dated Asian men. But that’s extremely rare. In fact just about every race of woman I ask about Asian men gives me that same weird look, even the non-racist liberal ones. Some of them go “ewwwww…no way.” Thai and Phillipino men tend to fare better though with women of other races.

      “Higher IQ (and thus better looking, healthier, etc) women are more likely to prioritize intelligence, which has obvious outcomes.”

      Lol. Really?? From what I see, brains actually work against men in the mating game. If what you say is true, all the nerds should be having a field day and the dumb jocks should be the sexless geeks.

      “They are generally less attractive and less intelligent than the ones who do not date out.”

      In my personal observation, the Asian women who date out are no less attractive than the ones who don’t, and maybe even more so. I think to many of them, they associate dating out with assimilating into American culture.

      • Hacienda

        “Everytime I’ve asked a black woman would you ever date an Asian man she looks at me as if I lost my mind. ”

        That’s true. It’s like different species dating. It’s a natural reaction. Most black women live off handouts, subsidies, and low level clerical jobs. Of course they’d look at you like you’ve lost your mind.

        “Thai and Phillipino men tend to fare better though with women of other races.”

        LOL. This is what happens when you get your world view from Snoop Dogg and Biggy Smalls and Fly Z Dizz Buggy. Actually, Korean men do very well in the US dating wise. I got the numbers. You do the research, if you can. Put xyz together. They have 10x the college degrees from real colleges, not the ones that teach algebra 1 to sophomores and remedial reading to freshmen (those are NOT colleges in any meaningful sense of the term). They actually have real jobs, not delivering newspapers, carwashing, pizza delivery like middle-aged Mexicans do. Oh, and where are the black jobs? These are the jobs blacks would do if the black attention span, Mexicans, and society allowed. Now blacks are pushed out, living off welfare, drug dealing 100 miles East of Los Angeles. Black women date Asian men? Of course they laugh you off when you ask this question, fool.

      • Huax

        “Although I did meet one black woman in my life who only dated Asian men. But that’s extremely rare.”

        The ones that do are the best looking and smartest black women.

        “From what I see, brains actually work against men in the mating game. If what you say is true, all the nerds should be having a field day and the dumb jocks should be the sexless geeks.”

        The funny thing is that whites actually think you have to be a nerd to be intelligent, or that people with IQ above room temperature are nerds. Sorry, that’s just bitterness and wishful thinking. Dumb jocks are one thing, but likewise not all athletes are idiots of course.

        “Thai and Phillipino men tend to fare better though with women of other races.”

        Northeast Asians have already fucked your women for hundreds of years- probably why the real men among them are kind of bored of them. A Russian model in Northeast China every now and then for the hell of it, maybe.

        “In my personal observation, the Asian women who date out are no less attractive than the ones who don’t, and maybe even more so. ”

        Sorry, your personal observation is wrong. The dating pool for women who date out are probably 1-6s in terms of looks. Those who exclusively date their own race are generally 5s to 10s. And this applies not only to looks but to class, education, health, etc.

        • nazbol

          @Huax
          Tulio is a jig, not white…

        • Huax

          haha what is a jig?

        • Huax

          nevermind, googled

        • tulio

          Hey FYP, I thought you asked me to leave you alone and you’d leave me alone in that last argument we had? Now you’re here calling me a jig. Not that your insults hurt me in the least, just wondering what’s up with all the inconsistency.

        • nazbol

          I was just lettiing him know you weren’t white, which he thought you were.

        • tulio

          @Huax…There are more Asian-American women cohabiting with white men than there are with Asian men. So what was that part about only unattractive Asian women dating out? You must be saying there are a HUGE number of unattractive Asian women.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Asian_and_White

          “25 percent of married Asian American women have Caucasian spouses, but 45 percent of cohabitating Asian American women are with Caucasian American men—higher than the percentage cohabitating with Asian men (44 percent).[14] These numbers suggest that the prevalence of intimate interracial contact is greatly underestimated when one focuses only on marriage data.[14]“

        • Hacienda

          Tulio,

          Why are white men so goddamn concerned about who Asian women like? To me that just shows that Asians, both men and women, have a power over whitey. Of course the extra competition from white men for Asian women bothers Asian men. As it should. But whitey has studies as shit about who Asian women prefer, courts Asian women, woos her, seduces her, plays the courter, gives up everything for her. Of course some Asian women will then “give in” to whitey. He’s surrendered everything to get her. Asian men don’t want to play that shit. And why would we? It’s become an obsession.

          Asian women have a grip on the white mind that’s almost ridiculously funny. It’s like 5000 Asian female porn whores rule and dominate the white world. Weaken the white family, upset white values, promote white feminism, cause whitey to want globalism, it causes white female hostility directed at white men. Did you know that Asian women are the highest paid and sought after porn stars in the US. They make like 10x more than the Jew or black male counterpart. Yeah, this pisses of Asian men in the US, but we see that the joke is on white people.

          I don’t hate black people. But don’t get caught in the white bullshit. Let them make believe Asian women “prefer” them. Rise above it, like a proud black man. Whitey is just drawing you into that bullshit. Wise up.

        • Huax

          tulio, that’s because there are more Asian women than Asian men- and also because yes, generally speaking Asian Americans are uglier than Asians from Asia.

          And you’re forgetting that “cohabiting” means not married. It’s probably a throng of loose, unattractive sluts who can’t get married dating 3 white men at a time professionally.

          Every Asian girl I know that dates white males exclusively is ugly, crazy, or has low self-esteem. And most of the girls I know who have dated white men can’t seem to stick with just one.

  8. nazbol

    @Huax
    Nice reply.

  9. Huax

    Bay Area Guy said
    “That would be a very interesting question: What if Asian Americans possessed the same political, social, and economic power that Jews possessed? Would they still have problems keeping their women?”

    “We” don’t have problems keeping our women. It’s generally the least desirable ones who date out and the least desirable males who are left single- but then again “Asian” men are less likely than even women to have never been married throughout a lifetime.

    What usually happens is that there is 1 Asian woman who dates 10, 20, or more white men in a lifetime, and marries 2-3 of them. Asian-Asian couples by comparison are far more monogamous. Despite how much of a bad rep the Jew media gives East Asians for being “sexist”, they are least likely to assault, rape or kill a woman if that tells you anything- not to mention the most likely to support an education for their daughters.

    To get back to the question, we’re not like Jews. We don’t have the same complexes they do so we feel no need to try to “dominate” whites economically or through the media. East Asians prosper because our genes generally lead to good health and high intelligence- high-IQ Jewish groups are plagued with countless genetic diseases.

    “When I think of “Asians,” Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Thai people come to mind.”

    Thais and Viets are considerably different as well. But generally speaking both are nice people, in their own way.

    • nazbol

      Viets are good but Thais seem to let Westerners walk all over them, allowing fat, old, balding white losers fuck young Thai women. Same with the Phillipines…

      • Huax

        To their credit, the Thai girls that whore out to white men are unattractive, smell terrible, the dregs of their society and debatably female. I wouldn’t be surprised if 25% of the “Thai girls” that are with white men aren’t actually born males, the lion’s share of the remainder probably some kind of Indonesian.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Despite how much of a bad rep the Jew media gives East Asians for being “sexist”, they are least likely to assault, rape or kill a woman if that tells you anything- not to mention the most likely to support an education for their daughters.

      No argument from me there.

      To get back to the question, we’re not like Jews. We don’t have the same complexes they do so we feel no need to try to “dominate” whites economically or through the media.

      Based on my own experience with Asians, along with personal observation, it seems that Asians quietly work hard, get ahead, and (relatively speaking) enjoy their success in private.

      They don’t seem to feel a need to rub their educational or financial success in your face. Likewise, they don’t accuse of you “anti-Asianism” if you point out Asian success.

      They also don’t form a “China lobby” or “Japan lobby” that pushes the U.S. into wars against its interests on behalf of another country (insert Asian country).

      East Asians prosper because our genes generally lead to good health and high intelligence- high-IQ Jewish groups are plagued with countless genetic diseases.

      That’s interesting. Jews are highly intelligent, and yet plagued by diseases such as Tay-Sachs, and come across as a bit neurotic.

      But yes, to get back to the point. I would gladly trade this country’s Jewish population for 6 million Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans.

      • Bay Area Guy

        I think Joe Sobran perfectly described Jewish power and Jewish attitudes: (my bolding)

        Talking about American politics without mentioning the Jews is a little like talking about the NBA without mentioning the Chicago Bulls. Not that the Jews are all-powerful, let alone all bad. But they are successful, and therefore powerful enough: and their power is unique in being off-limits to normal criticism even when it’s highly visible. They themselves behave as if their success were a guilty secret, and they panic, and resort to accusations, as soon as the subject is raised. Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Sobran’s right.

          It’s like being a sportswriter who isn’t allowed to mention that the Lakers are the best basketball team.

        • nazbol

          And yet we wonder why the Germans and other European patriots did what they did between 1939 to 1945.

        • Bay Area Guy

          I also love Joe Sobran’s definition of “anti-Semitism.” It isn’t someone who hates Jews, but someone hated by Jews.

          He will be missed.

      • tulio

        “But yes, to get back to the point. I would gladly trade this country’s Jewish population for 6 million Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans.”

        Why? On a per capita basis, Jews are the most productive people on the planet.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Why? On a per capita basis, Jews are the most productive people on the planet.

          Northeast Asians are also very productive, especially in terms of education.

          There’s a reason my university (UCI) is jokingly referred to as “University of Chinese Immigrants,” “Made in Taiwan” for MIT, etc.

          Also, Asians don’t have aggressive ethnic lobbies, such as the Tawian lobby or Japan lobby that urges American wars fought on behalf of those countries against American interests.

          Asians also don’t promote open borders and cultural leftism the same way Jews do.

          True, you have some Asian activist types and CRT’s like Frank Wu and the late Ronald Takaki, but I’ve never heard an Asian call for the “abolition of the white race” or call whites “the cancer of humanity.”

          (alluding to Noel Ignatiev and Susan Sontag)

          Yes, I acknowledge that Jews are a very intelligent bunch, but they bring a lot of issues to the table in a way that Asians don’t.

        • Huax

          Do you actually think GDP and income measure real productivity? They largely do not, especially in the developed world. You could excommunicate the entirety of America’s mass media and nothing real would be lost.

        • Bay Area Guy

          You could excommunicate the entirety of America’s mass media and nothing real would be lost.

          Sigh, I can only hope.

        • tulio

          But look how Jews are way over-represented in Nobel prizes in sciences.

        • Huax

          Having the funds to win nobel prizes is a luxury that Jews have earned by shifting money towards themselves. Without them, another ethnic group would take their place.

  10. tulio

    Just a thought here…I think one strong argument that supports the notion that Asian males are the most feminine is the difficulty of being able to tell a male Asian transsexual from a woman. The “Lady Boys” of Asia are one of the first warnings given to male travelers to Asia(usually SE Asia).

    I have never seen a white or black male tranny that I couldn’t tell was a tranny from a mile away. But with Asian male trannies, they blend in so well with females you almost cannot tell. So I think just as the physical level, Asian males have more facial features that one would consider feminine and women are biologically hardwired to seek out masculine traits in males in order to produce dominant offspring. I think that explains why Asian males seeking to date interracially have little success while Asian women who seek the same are very successful.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Hehe, there must be lots of trannies in L.A. Either that, or I need to install a better tranny-dar, because don’t really see any in the Bay Area! LOL! D:

    • Huax

      Except there are hardly any Northeast Asian transsexuals, clearly the logical conclusion from this would be the obvious- that the reason why there are more black and white trannies is because they’re more effeminate. The reason why whites and blacks overcompensate is also because they’re more effeminate.

      Southeast Asians and Northeast Asians are not the same race. If you want to argue that Southeast Asians (aside from Islanders) are feminine you might have a point, but not more so than blacks or whites for sure.

  11. I definitely think there are people in each of the groups you mention who do have those perceptions and draw those conclusions with respect to masculinity and femininity and the attractiveness of each quality in men and women of various ethnicities..

    On a similar, yet related topic – http://andyx27.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/the-race-gender-violence-trifecta/

  12. donaldag

    Racism, chauvinism, and the prevalence of race and gender stereotypes are all these “preferences” prove.
    White men want Asian women because they are chauvinist like most men and want submissive females and Asian women fit this stereotype. Likewise, some black men chase white women because they are perceived to be more attractive than black women due to racist, Eurocentric culture in which they live and internalized self-hatred that arises out of this culture.
    Asian women want white men probably as success symbols. Asian men on average seem to be shorter and slighter than white or black men, and since height and bulk are correlated with masculinity, they are seen as less masculine.
    There’s also that ridiculous stereotype that Asian men are lacking in the penis department. I’ve never slept with an Asian man but I would imagine they are no bigger or smaller than any other man.
    Black women btw are actually have more estrogen on average than other women, from a purely physiological perspective that would make them more feminine. They certainly seem to be more curvaceous on average than either white or Asian women.
    I really don’t understand the assertion that Black women are more “masculine” or white women more feminine. I know plenty of white women that have square jaws, low brows and rectangular body types which indisputably masculine characteristics that I don’t often see in black or other women. There will also be those women who look boyish across ethnicities and I just haven’t seen any more masculine looking black women vs. white women. If we’re talking about black women’s “attitudes” that would be a stereotype based on movie representations of ghetto dwellers. Most blacks are middle class and not part of a ghetto underclass.

  13. Was my mom clinically insane to marry a white man or was she just incredibly callous and selfish? Perhaps she planned on having cute Eurasian daughters who could easily mate with white dudes. Well she badly miscalculated. Instead shes stuck with Asian-looking sons. And yet she dissed all Asian males by her actions. She emasculated me at my birth. What a curse to be born out of an Asian woman’s vagina. Being born an Asian man out of an Asian woman’s vagina is a miserable experiance. Its even worse when your a Eurasian man being born out of a Asian woman’s vagina which is used by white men. Just thinking about it drives me to insanity. With all the WM/AFs out there and a 50-50 gender ration, I figure there must be a good few men in my shoes out there. Ok maybe some of them might be more Euro looking than me, my family really got hit hard by the Asian stick. Who knows maybe my dad’s side was raped by the Mongol invaders when we were on top of the world? God is there any worse fate in the universe than being born a Asian-looking Eurasian in the USA to a white dad and asian mom who sleeps with your white dad? gawwwwd! I hate my DNA so much. Talk about Dawkin’s selfish gene! F my genes. I wish them ill. I have no desire to pass on the white male Y-chromosome nor the mitochondria of an Asian woman who enjoys stabbing her own family, her own flesh and blood through the heart from the back. God dad, you should have just picked the biggest ugliest white girl you could find and begged her to marry you. That beats the hottest asian. Speaking for myself personally I’d rather have a 200lb white girl to the hottest asian girl. Or you could have easily married a black or latina girl. Mom should have married an Asian male. And if dad couldn’t manage with a white girl, he should have picked a more masculine race. Ideally latina. He could get a decently pretty wife, and hot masculine sons. Maybe he wouldn’t enjoy a black wife, but he would have gotten the pay off in the alpha status of any male sons from it. IDK maybe you should just abort Eurasian male sons. You can call it “revenge” for the misogynistic patriarchial sex selective abortions of the East.

  14. Kyle

    What a weird site. At first it seemed innocent enough, if a little obsessive, but then I got to the comment section, and “whoa, overt racism.” Come on people. Go play outside and clear your heads.

  15. Tommy888

    hahaah thiis Huax guy is as racist as they come. It’s hilarious how he goes into contortions trying to come up with an excuse for each new commenter who refutes his racist bullcrap with studies and facts. He obviously believes his Asian race is superior to all others, because according to him, only the inferior Asian women (fugly, unhealthy, dumb,etc) would leave their “superor” Asiam men for a “subrace” guy. hahahahah my god, Huax- dude if more of your women are living with white men than you and your Asian male group, then there appears to be something going on, and you just look like a clown to deny it. To me , it’s rather simple. White wpmen in general, in America have unattractive personality characterists that basically make them bitches. It’s not really that were going for a submissive woman ( most Asian American women born in U.SA. are not “submissive”) but one that respects us as men and doesn’t consider us “the enemy”. A lot of. Asian men are sexist and do treat their women like crap- an Asian-American newspaer in Seattle even admitted it. They cited the two reasons i gave above for these numbers you’re seeing, and I agree with them, although there could be other sub reasons. Huax seems to want to provoke a racial “pissing contest ” on here, so, if that’s what he wants, let me just say to the “superior” Huax that about 97% of all inventions in the world over history until today came from whitre males. Facts, are stubborn things, Huax.

  16. white man is not man enough for white woman thats why white woman seek and love black n asian man

  17. random dude

    From the wikipedia’s article on interracial marriage on the US:

    “Asian and Black

    [...] In the 19th century, many Chinese American men married African American women in high proportions to their total marriage numbers due to few Chinese American women being in the United States. After the Emancipation Proclamation, many Chinese Americans immigrated to the Southern states, particularly Arkansas, to work on plantations. The tenth US Census of Louisiana counted 57% of interracial marriages between these Chinese Americans to be with African Americans and 43% to be with European American women. After the Chinese Exclusion Act, Chinese American men had fewer potential ethnically Chinese wives, so they increasingly married African American women on the West Coast.[28]. In Jamaica and other Caribbean nations as well many Chinese males over past generations took up African wives, gradually assimilating or absorbing many Chinese descendants into the African Caribbean community or the overall mixed-race community.”

    It happened to some degree in Africa as well.

    Perhaps this is a trend that will return according with the seilerian theory? As more African women and Asian men end up alone being discarded in favor of someone of other race, they have to settle between themselves. The earlier passage of the same section, though, says it’s quite rare (overall, there’s no breakdown by sex). The disparity between black man/white woman marriages is also decreasing, even though it peaked not long ago (1981, if that’s really not long ago).

    I wonder if such marriages provide interesting complications/curiosities to the whole genetically-racial IQ notions. I’m not suggesting that they’d affect the whole picture, but whether their children’s IQ fit with whatever prediction one could make. My guess is that IQ would follow more phenotypic “looks” and familial traditions/self-identification than genetic affinity with a race.

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