From a discussion in the comments threads:
mott69: Everyone in this discussion should agree that all blonde or red hair and blue eyes originates from Norse/Viking blood in the past. So, a lot of Russians, Slavs, Baltics and others have at least some Nordic blood, but not enough to change their racial sub-category.Wade in MO: I don’t agree. Do you have any proof? How do you know that it didn’t evolve in non-Nordic regions like Finland and North western Russia? Do blonde aborigines have viking blood? Also, how do you know that blonde hair developed after the region became Germanic? Are you saying that the pre-indo European population was not blonde? Also, non northern Europeans have been know tho have red hair. I remember reading an ancient Greek account of the Scythians that said that they typically had red hair.
Actually, red hair comes from Finland 9,000 years ago. From there it spread out to Scandinavia and apparently much of the rest of the world, including Pashtuns, etc.
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Why do so many Ashkenazi Jews have red hair? Is it from the Khazars?
Slavic.
I always assumed Ashkenazis had a lot of Slavic blood but I read a DNA test claiming most of their European Ancestry came from Italy and France rather than Eastern Europe especially Norther Italy in the latter Roman Years.
hat tip Metal Gear:
http://www.freemediaproductions.info/Editorials/2011/01/06/ashkenazi-sephardic-north-italians/
That’s interesting… My g-grandmothers family & ancestors were Jews living in Hungary with a German last name but had red/ auburn hair….
Referting to what D. Coe said, did the Gauls and Celts have a high incidence of Gingers?
” red hair comes from Finland 9,000 years ago”
They same time as white skin?
White skin shows up about 9000 years ago in Europe. Not sure where it started. Maybe way up north somewhere.
did blonde hair and blue eyes also originate in the Skandinavia?
Maybe. Not sure. The peak incidences of that are in say Finland, Estonia, etc.
I think.
were did blone hair blue eyed juden originate?
Could you point me toward a more current source?
A lot of mine went down the shower drain the last 20 years.
Humans got the red hair-gene from Neanderthals:
http://www.dhamurian.org.au/anthropology/neanderthal1.html
You’d think so, but newer research suggests otherwise. The mutation which may have caused red hair in Neanderthals isn’t found in modern humans. Researchers have found two different genetic mutations in the MC1R gene that can cause red hair.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/neanderthal-genes-red-hair-and-more
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/neandertals/neandertal_dna/neandertal_mc1r_lalueza-fox_2007.html
Wolfgang, the Caucasian and Neanderthal alleles for Gingerism are not da same.
This is off-topic, but Robert, you were a teacher, right? What do you think of this hilarious essay?
http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html
Yes I read that.
The first human’s may have originated out of the land of Israel, according to recent finds.
I don’t agree with that.
It was Adam & Steve… from Sodom & Gomorrah!
It was sadam and steve from sodomy and gomorah
LOLOL.
What “recent studies”, dude? You came from Africa. Hacienda and Robert Lindsay also came from Africa. We did not cum from the Promised Land. Are you a Jew, Shawn?
Rob, if red hair in jews comes from Slavs, why is red hair most prevalent among the westernmost Europeans, Scots and Irish?
Does not come from Slavs. Comes from Scandinavians. But Slavs have a lot of it.
are there any maps that show the prevelence of red hair. I think you should do a post on Hazel eyes. I have hazel eyes and am mostly northern European but read somewhere that it came from the Romans. have you heard that theory?
How close are Slavs to Scandinavians genetically? I know there is quite a bit of R1a, especially in Iceland and Norway. What’s say, the distance from Scandinavians to Slavs relative to Germans and English to Scandinavians?
You know what the truth is? None of those groups are very far from each other genetically. The differences are very minor.
yeah that does seem true from what I’ve read. apparently there’s more genetic diversity within China than there is in all of Europe.
The Chinkese are genetically diverse because they inbred with their mothers and fathers for so long that mutations accumlated in each family line and did not spread to the rest of the population. This is why Chink IQ is so high, because they are inbred.
Red hair goes back 20000 to 40000 years and it did not originate in scandanavians. Its been found in 5000 year ols mummies in china and even earlier than that in india. But the mummies in both cases were of european looks. Jewish folklore is abundant with red haired people. King David the most famous but how much truth there is in the texts is debatable.
Red hair does not go back 30000 years, because there were no white people until 10,000 YBP. King David was avSephardic Jew, red hair is prevalent in Ashkenazi Kikes. David did not have red hair. The Hebrew word means ruddy, not red haired. Esau was red haired, but he is an Edomite.
why is there so much red hair in Ireland/scotland? i have red hair does that mean i am scandanavian? ( and i do no i have a 100% Ukrainian grand mother, that is Slavic right?)
Yes, it is Scandinavian.
not to sound like a pain or be contrary, but what about Scotland and is there any proof that it is Scandinavian?
Same thing. Red hair there is from Scandinavia also.
Vikings settled in Scotland.
ooOOoo i see. thanks very much. so the Celts were dark?
I have a hard time reasoning that red hair was borne in Scandinavia. It should stand to reason that the Nordic countries would have the highest frequency of red hair- alas, the British Isles have that distinction. I understand that populations may change- but that would require a very sudden(or relatively so) transfer of genes…and no, don’t look to the vikings. While they did some pillaging and what have you, much of their breeding with locals was restricted to their nobles. People have a tendancy to deduce that they must be descent from every group of people who’ve interacted with their ancestral lands in neat and even degrees. The majority populations remain only minimally changed over time.
It has actually been conclusively proven that red hair evolved in Finland 11,000 YBP. How it ended up in such high frequency in the British Isles is anyone’s guess.
source? reference? I googled, I don’t see anything on this.
perhaps it was an introgression from Sasquatch /sarcasm>
Other than Kashubs, what slavics have red hair? Speaking of Kashubs, I would like to know any info you know about them. Kasubia is located in Poland but they have different language. And of coarse the whole blonde and blue eyed thing.
Are red haired people more likely to be Socialists?
Red haired girls have nice pussies.