Race and Politics in America: What Whites Say on the Internet

In the previous post, we noted that contrary to both the White Nationalists and the Abagond Sphere, Whites do not appear to discuss race very much, at least here in California. They are neither the PC Critical Race Theory bogeyman types of the White Nationalists, nor are they the all-encompassing racists that Black paranoia says they are.

Instead, California Whites regard race as a toxic subject to be generally avoided. If poked or provoked, which I love to do, you can sometimes get them to say a thing or two. Usually they do so in carefully chosen language designed to appear as non-inflammatory as possible.

However, on the Internet, it is another story altogether. See here for instance.

One wonders what exactly is going on. Is it possible that White society is so tightly policed in meatspace that they don’t dare breach the Race Barrier, yet on the Net these same repressed folks feel the freedom to let the racist dam burst so to speak, and say what they really feel? Perhaps this is what is going on.

One thing is quite clear in my observations on the Net over several years reading intensively about race, including comments on my site.

In US Whites, comments displaying negative feelings towards non-Whites in the US are almost always a marker of conservatism. If you Google “liberal racism,” you will see a great deal of nonsense about how liberals, presumably White liberals, are actually racist people. Coming from rightwingers, this is so ridiculous as to be patently nonsensical. It actually smacks of projection. US White liberals display very low levels of racism towards non-Whites, if they display any at all. In fact, refusal to criticize non-Whites is an excellent marker of liberalism/Leftism in US Whites.

I don’t believe that all conservatives are racists, at least on a personal level. I’ve seen too many who seem to lack any interpersonal racism. Yet it seems that almost all, if not all, racists are conservatives.

So not all White conservatives are racists, but all White racists are conservatives.

This seems to be a good golden rule.

Another thing we can note. Almost all White racists hate socialism and Communism. These same folks often say that Blacks and Hispanics are natural socialists or Communists.

White racism is also very closely associated with fiscal conservatism. Not many US Blacks or Hispanics are fiscal conservatives and small government enthusiasts.

These two things are well-connected. Socialism and Communism in the US means productive, hard-working Whites get taxed to pay welfare money to lazy, leeching, criminal Blacks and Hispanics. It’s not socialism, it’s racial wealth transfer.

We can see that the entire White Nationalist Sphere opposed Obama’s health care plan. White racist sites like Niggermania and Chimpout, which I read sometimes, were also dead set opposed to the health care plan. These racists often explicitly stated that it was a transfer of White money to Blacks and Browns. Never mind that a lot of Whites might need health care too.

The strong suggestion here is that many white conservatives are voting Republican at least partly on a racial or even racist basis. That’s so clear as to beyond all doubt.

This state of affairs is preposterous. Why would any White person vote rightwing just to “stick it to the niggers and the Mexicans.” What for? What possible benefit could construe for the White person.

I’m a socialist. When I go into the voting booth, I vote for what’s good for me and mine. Mostly what’s good for me! Why should I care about race in the voting booth. I vote for A, B or C. What do I care how A, B or C feels about Whites, Blacks or Hispanics? What possible relevance could those positions of theirs have to do with my life anyway? The traditional Marxist position is that economics is everything and race is not important. I could not agree more.

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29 responses to “Race and Politics in America: What Whites Say on the Internet

  1. Patrick

    The vitriolic comments made by white racists is just the whining of losers. Character studies have been made of Hitler and it is generally agreed upon that Hitler was the typical loser type.

    People who have nothing in their own lives to be proud of will make appeals to the greatness of their race.

    White racists are often antisemites and the antisemites among will blame all their failures in life on jews. On the one hand they scoff at blacks for blaming whites for their problems and in the same breathe they will blame jews for all their problems.

    Socialism and Communism is the only way forward. Racism is perpetuated in a capitalist system due to the inherent evil of the capitalist system.

    As far as healthcare goes I am skeptical of much of the healthcare treatments I get the impression people are drugged excessively in this capitalist system in order to enrich big pharma… and so it seems there needs to be a much deeper reform than to just make it so the government enriches the pharmaceutical companies.

    Maybe the government should appropriate the pharmaceutical companies.

    Or maybe something should be done to make it so that medicine is local rather than national and international… having everyone blinly doing the same procedures seems to just enslave the doctors to the big pharma companies and I really dont look at them as doctors.

    • Reality Check

      White racists are often antisemites and the antisemites among will blame all their failures in life on jews. On the one hand they scoff at blacks for blaming whites for their problems and in the same breathe they will blame jews for all their problems.

      So true. How can those antisemitic whites be so blind to their own hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance?

    • LaFleur

      White racists are often antisemites and the antisemites among will blame all their failures in life on jews.

      I’ve noticed that they often neglect to blame the inbred asshole rulers whose greed forced so many Europeans to emigrate to the US. The only reason my ancestors came here was because they wanted to eat regularly.

      There are a lot of great things about European culture, but Europe wasn’t working out so well for most of the people who left. First take the log out of your own eye.

      • LaFleur

        I should note I’m referring to the white racists who romanticize European non-democratic rule. Those rulers didn’t feel too much kinship for their poor fellow whites.

    • Wade in MO

      ” Character studies have been made of Hitler and it is generally agreed upon that Hitler was the typical loser type.”

      Jeez, did they use detailed scientific language like you? Frankly, what were they going to say about Hitler? “Hitler was a great guy with some anger issues.” Yeah, I’m sure that would help their careers.

      Personally, I don’t like Hitler, but I’m not going to resort to the common trope of calling Hitler some moron loser. The guy rose up to become the leader of mighty nation. He took a country humiliated by an unfair treaty from a war it didn;t start and returned it to power. He swept away the Weimar Republic, took that country out of the depression, and tore up the garbage Treaty of Versailles. Sure he did evil things, but he fought his way to power and had more of an impact on the world than few could even dream of. In that sense he was a great man. Surely much greater than some little putz like you.

  2. Bay Area Guy

    So not all White conservatives are racists, but all White racists are conservatives.

    This seems to be a good golden rule

    Yeah, well blacks would disagree with you.

    Being a white “liberal” doesn’t make you free of racism in the eyes of blacks.

    In fact, in many ways, blacks regard white liberals with even greater contempt in some cases, because they see white liberals as phony and disingenuous.

    Just a message to all white liberals: Your “racism pass” is very temporary and can be easily be revoked if you ever stray from PC orthodoxy.

    Just ask Robert!

    • Bay Area Guy, I think the difference is that white conservatives are more likely to not give a fuck about their own racism, except for sometimes pretending in public that they’re not racist.

      White liberals are more likely to think that they are non-racist, but racist shit will slip out of them from time to time. If confronted on it they are more likely to be conflicted or self-flagellating about it.
      Whereas when white conservatives are confronted about their racism, they’ll probably pull out some line about blacks being more racist, or about how political correctness is taking over.

    • Bay Area Guy

      White liberals are more likely to think that they are non-racist, but racist shit will slip out of them from time to time. If confronted on it they are more likely to be conflicted or self-flagellating about it.

      Ah yes, the classical conflicted self-flagellation on the part of white liberals.

      This makes them particularly pathetic, my view.

      You see, I’ve been researching Critical Race Theorists and black activist types for quite some time, and here’s what I’ve discovered:

      -It’s not just some white people who are racist, ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST! Racist simply means white person. Period.

      I think James Edwards (white nationalist radio talk show host) has hammered this point home time and time again, and based on my own observation, I agree with him.

      Of course, I know that not all agree with this whole “Racism = white person” attitude.

      (I’ve read your post on whether or not whites are more racist than anybody else. Interesting stuff. You still have managed to not piss me off with your racial analysis yet! ;-))

      I think the difference is that white conservatives are more likely to not give a fuck about their own racism, except for sometimes pretending in public that they’re not racist.

      Which is funny, because most white nationalists think that white conservatives are just as wimpy and apologetic on racial matters as liberal white people.

      In fact, in some ways, white nationalists despise mainstream white conservatives even more than liberals.

      Their attitude is, “we expect this shit from liberals, but not conservatives.”

      If you listen to the Political Cesspool or read white nationalist blogs/publications such as Alternative Right and Occidental Dissent, they spend a lot of time ragging on the Tea Party.

      They absolutely despise Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and most Tea Party activist types. They’re particularly irked by the way white Tea Partiers pack their podiums with various Uncle Tom’s in order to “prove” that they’re not racist. They also find Tea Party diversity initiatives maddening.

      They see this as further evidence of white self-loathing and unwillingness to openly proclaim white pride.

      Whereas when white conservatives are confronted about their racism, they’ll probably pull out some line about blacks being more racist, or about how political correctness is taking over

      They certainly do that, to be sure.

      At the same time, they pull out some of the same Castrated Cracker (my own made-up term for self-loathing white) tendencies.

      Ie. “I’m not racist,” “I only see people, not color,” etc.

      I think that all of the Tea Party’s pathetic attempts to pander blacks just shows that most whites, liberal or conservative, don’t have a ton of pride and are not willing to stand up on behalf of their race.

      You see, as I’ve said before, racist simply means white person. ALL white people are racist, and ONLY white people can be racist. I’ve read Critical Race Theory and Anti-Racism 101.

      Heck, even Tim Wise of all people has been criticized by radical black bloggers, including Ankhesen Mie.

      (okay, I admit that even by Critical Race Theory standards, Ank Mie is a bit loony and extreme. Thad a while back exposed her lunacies and owned her ass!)

      No matter what whites do, they’re somehow always going to be racist, even if it’s the exact opposite of racist actions in many cases.

      That’s my I’m a white nationalist, Eurasian. If I’m going to be a racist (heck, I’m white, so that makes me racist Ipso Facto), then I might as well get my money’s worth.

      The way I see it, better to piss off than be pissed on.

      You see, James Edwards has discussed what white people should do when they’re called a racist, and with the exception of a few modifications of my own, I agree with him. I’ll call this rule “James’s Law.”

      If somebody calls a white person a racist, DO NOT:

      1. Deny
      2. Argue
      3. Point out how tolerant or colorblind you are

      DO:

      1. Laugh in that person’s face.
      2. Say, “yeah, I’m a racist, so what?!” or “racist simply means white person, so yep, I’m a racist!”

      You see, whenever whites deny that they’re racist or insist that they only see color, they’re on the defensive, and they’re allowing non-whites to be on the offensive.

      What these white fools don’t realize is that no matter how “colorblind” or “tolerant” they are, they’re still going to be called racist.

      They might as well become white nationalists and stop apologizing.

      • Bay Area Guy

        *why I’m a white nationalist*

      • LaFleur

        Thad a while back exposed her lunacies and owned her ass!

        Do you remember offhand which thread it was?

      • Bay Area Guy

        It was the “Drapto” thread a while back.

        You can see my comments there as well. That was before I became a more hard ass white nationalist and was actually trying to infiltrate and reason with the blacks over there.

        Eventually, I just said fuck it and decided to get in their faces.

        But yeah, skip to the very bottom and read Thad’s long comments.

      • Ah yes, the classical conflicted self-flagellation on the part of white liberals.

        This makes them particularly pathetic, my view.

        Nothing wrong with a little white liberal self-flagellation.
        If someone does something wrong, of course they should feel guilt about it. Otherwise they are just assholes.

        Racism is like BO (body odour, not Barack Obama). We’ve all got it, some worse than others. A smart person tries to minimise it so it doesn’t effect their life. But if you are proud of it, there is something wrong with you.

        That’s my I’m a white nationalist, Eurasian. If I’m going to be a racist (heck, I’m white, so that makes me racist Ipso Facto), then I might as well get my money’s worth.

        That’s a cop out – then you are just being the equivalent of what you despise. You are judging non-whites on the beliefs of the most extreme Critical Race Theorists, and then forming your worldview accordingly.
        I don’t base my appraisal of whites on the views of the white nationalist Bay Area Guys any more than I base it on the Tim Wises of the world.

        • Bay Area Guy

          That’s a cop out – then you are just being the equivalent of what you despise. You are judging non-whites on the beliefs of the most extreme Critical Race Theorists, and then forming your worldview accordingly.
          I don’t base my appraisal of whites on the views of the white nationalist Bay Area Guys any more than I base it on the Tim Wises of the world.

          Fair enough.

          Perhaps it isn’t fair to judge based on the extreme CRT’s. I’m sure that there are many blacks who don’t think like Ank Mie.

          Something to think about.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Racism is like BO (body odour, not Barack Obama). We’ve all got it, some worse than others. A smart person tries to minimise it so it doesn’t effect their life. But if you are proud of it, there is something wrong with you.

          I think it goes without saying that nobody (including white nationalists) should DELIBERATELY go out of their way to be racist assholes.

          However, that being said, whenever white people try to “minimize” or apologize for whatever “racist tendencies” they might have, that’s always a recipe for disaster.

          1) By doing so, they’re putting themselves on the defensive, and setting themselves up for further and further accusations of racism.

          Many non-whites have a very liberal definition of what a “racist” is, and it’s not simply a racist white nationalist asshole.

          2) To add on to that, looking at what happens to the likes of Thad over at Abagond, and I think it’s safe to say that ANYTHING a white person does can result in charges of racism.

          And if you’re trying to “minimize” your racism in order to not offend non-whites, then you’re going to have to effectively censor yourself mightily.

          But again, perhaps you’re right. Maybe I am being too harsh on blacks by judging them based on radical anti-racists (as well as some negative personal experiences I’ve had with blacks growing up).

          Perhaps I’m just elevating the bad over the good.

          I guess I might try to read black blogs that aren’t as radical and adopt a more open-minded tone.

        • What happens to Thad over at Abagond has more to do with his abrasive and arrogant way of disagreeing with people than what he is actually saying. He’s good at cutting through some of the bullshit a lot of the time, but people don’t listen because he is too condescending about it.

          The radical CRT blacks that you are reacting to, B.A.G., are just reacting to the radical racist whites. My problem with them is the same as my problem with you – they are studying the extreme behaviours of a race (whites in their case, blacks in yours) and assuming that is the norm.

          Sadly, white nationalists and black nationalists are just fuel for each other. Both dehumanise the other race in various ways, which is counterproductive to resolving anything.

        • Bay Area Guy

          What happens to Thad over at Abagond has more to do with his abrasive and arrogant way of disagreeing with people than what he is actually saying.

          True, even when he says things I agree with, he does come across as a bit of a prick in the process.

          I mean, I guess it comes with the territory, him being a scholar and all.

          But still, he does kinda see himself as the professor and the commenters as ignorant students.

          The radical CRT blacks that you are reacting to, B.A.G., are just reacting to the radical racist whites. My problem with them is the same as my problem with you – they are studying the extreme behaviours of a race (whites in their case, blacks in yours) and assuming that is the norm.

          That is a good point.

          I do think that it’s confirmation bias on my part. Due to negative past experiences with blacks, I use radical and extreme blacks as proof that they’re no good.

          You’re right. It is a bit logically unsound of me to generalize about 40 million people on the basis of a few bad experiences and the more radical and extreme members of the group.

          Maybe I ought to check out more moderate black blogs.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Sadly, white nationalists and black nationalists are just fuel for each other.

          Well, I guess it’s not coincidence that Marcus Garvey met with the KKK, Elijah Muhammad with George Lincoln Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and that more recently skinhead leader Tom Metzger has been friends with the New Black Panthers.

        • Bay Area Guy

          *not a*

  3. Tea Partiers are Cunts.

    As you’ve said before Bob, the real tragedy is that the dumb white kulaks (because they have some sort of ‘high paying’ blue colar job), keep voting Republicunt, even though the country club set that run the Republicunts couldn’t give a shit about them, have taken their jobs away and given them to China (more profit for them you see), and glory in ‘white trash’ poverty and misery as it gives them a source of cheap hookers and dumb-cunts to fight Arabs (for Israel).
    All the plutocrats care about is their own pockets, their own cocaine supply and an endless supply of young white hooker sluts to fuck the shit out of.Their dumb cunt fathers – the baseball cap, hunting and obesity tribe can go to Hell and starve to death – the plutocrats glory in their misery, to them they are dumb, sub-human trash , whore breeders, nothing else.
    Tell me Bob, where do they make the dirty movies in SoCal?

  4. FrankBD

    Just my own opinions and discussions. I won’t bother quoting Robert, since it would mess up the flow of what I’m saying:

    I read AmRen and similar because there’s ZERO discussion of those issues in MSM; given any reasonable hearing elsewhere, I wouldn’t be there (RL said similar).

    I’m neither a liberal or conservative. Liberalism is very good at treating people the same, but not at making merit-based distinctions among them. So things like food stamps work or building public parks (most people’s dietary and exercise needs are about the same), but initiatives to increase Diversity in corporate board rooms don’t.

    Liberalism does have a race problem — there’s a difference by race about whether people will make welfare a lifestyle or not. People who think “society is investing in me, because it believes that if it can get me through my current problems, I can be a productive citizen” will act very differently than the ones who think “society is dominated by people who hate me and don’t want me to succeed, so there’s nothing better for me to do than be a thorn in their side.”

  5. LaFleur

    I read AmRen and similar because there’s ZERO discussion of those issues in MSM; given any reasonable hearing elsewhere, I wouldn’t be there (RL said similar).

    There is some interesting stuff over there. I didn’t know whether to laugh or throw up at the article discussed here:

    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/11/baby_bigot_is_m.php

    People like the woman in that article are utterly useless.

  6. Ken Hoop

    Of course Marx was something of a racist himself. Certainly not an egalitarian. But Stalin minimized what became “Marxism” and the rest is Hegel, I mean History.

  7. Alpha Unit

    “Cultural Marxist” can be as empty a term as “racist,” it seems.

    • Bay Area Guy

      True, I guess I should be careful about overusing the term “Cultural Marxist,” thus giving it the same worthless value as the term “racist.”

      • LaFleur

        Given that Marx and Engels themselves warned that liberals would use race and other issues to obfuscate class issues, “cultural Marxist” is a inaccurate term for this school of thought.

        However, the right wing chose that term precisely because they wanted to discredit Marx along with identity politics-obsessed liberals.

        I think “cultural leftist” would be more accurate, but the damage has been done.

  8. who+dares+wings

    Dare To Be Indifferent:

    I’m sure those who are reading this, like me, have got quite a few immigrant friends. I like my immigrant friends, but I’ve got my own culture, and am not overtly interested in what Iraqis have for dinner or why Iranian women sometimes are pushed out of balconies. I’m just fairly indifferent to diversity and only choose to participate in it when I feel like it. Liberals demand we all share a great interest in everything besides our own culture. If we don’t, we’re bad, backwards-thinking people. Have you tried sometime to join a multicultural discussion by saying that you just don’t care about what goes on in segregated neighborhoods, and that you really just prefer your own lifestyle? Indifference to diversity usually upsets a lot of people. You should allow yourself to smile when saying this.

    -Alex Birch
    http://www.corrupt.org

    “Your skin is your best accessory”

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