“If Not For Israel, We Would Never Have Invaded Iraq”

So says Bay Area Guy in the comments section. I don’t believe it. Angela on the other hand, disputes that the Israelis were involved at all.

Me: They pushed for this war from day one, and then after we blew the whistle on them, they said the war wasn’t good for Israel after all. Typical Jewish double-talk, lying, sophistry, sociopathic realpolitik crap.Angela: Who is the “we” that blew the whistle and when did they do it?

Well, the Jew-wise folks had been saying this all along, but there was a lot of resistance to that kind of talk. I remember my father got furious when my brother and I tried to imply that Thomas Friedman was stirring up a war with Iraq on Israel’s behalf, which he was, and which so many Jews in the US and the media were also doing loudly and persuasively.

After the war, there started to be a lot of talk about PNAC, JINSA and the rest of the clowns, including this wonderful document.

Of course, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, the Wurmsers, and many others were involved in this conspiracy. Karen Kwiatkowski was there and laid out all the dirt. The Israeli defense officials coming to the Pentagon to meet with their Jewish buddies at the Pentagon, where they were whisked past all security, told not to sign, and in, and hustled off to secret rooms. Israel was behind the sausage factory cooking up a lot of the fake intel about Saddam’s WMD’s too.

It’s just that I think that the Israelis and their frankly Jewish agents in the US were not so slick as to push George Bush into attacking Iraq solely on the behest of the Israelis. Bush and US imperialism had their own reasons for wanting to get Saddam. It’s just that the interests of the Israelis and their US dual loyalists buddies in the US along with US imperialism tended to coincide in this case. The US and Israel both wanted Saddam gone. I suppose the Israeli push was an extra added factor, but Bush was going to war anyway.

The notion that if not for Israel, we would not have gone into Iraq, as BAG said, is ridiculous. US imperialism has a very serious project in the Middle East, mostly centered around control of the oil fields. All of those oil fields are supposed to be in the hands of US friendly regimes supplied by US arms  often housing US bases. Saddam was a sworn enemy of the US in that region, bad news. We wanted him gone so we could plant bases all over the country like we’ve done in the rest of the region. That’s now a done deal. The US Embassy in Iraq is the largest embassy in the world. We didn’t build that embassy for the Israelis.

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5 responses to ““If Not For Israel, We Would Never Have Invaded Iraq”

  1. Reality Check

    Two in one day? I’m flattered. :-)

  2. johnUK

    It’s just that I think that the Israelis and their frankly Jewish agents in the US were not so slick as to push George Bush into attacking Iraq solely on the behest of the Israelis. Bush and US imperialism had their own reasons for wanting to get Saddam. It’s just that the interests of the Israelis and their US dual loyalists buddies in the US along with US imperialism tended to coincide in this case. The US and Israel both wanted Saddam gone. I suppose the Israeli push was an extra added factor, but Bush was going to war anyway.

    What BS.

    Everyone knows that the mass media in the US is Jewish owned and those pushing for war in the US and abroad as well in the mass media were Jewish.

    And US imperial foreign policy was targeted mainly in Eastern Europe and Eurasia not the Middle East.

    Saddam was a friend not an enemy of the US but an ally who wanted to make oil and other deals with US companies and was vehemently anti-Jihadist and anti-Iranian.

    What strategic advantage did the US have in invading Iraq?

    Please explain the grand strategy behind that?

    Care to explain the fact that Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz according to FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds was secretly negotiating with the Turkish ambassador 4 months before 9/11 to invade Iraq.

    The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region.

    http://wwww.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/23/785500/-FBI-Whistleblower-says-Neocons-Negotiated-Iraq-Invasion-with-Foreign-Agents-in-Summer-2001

    Also what was revealed in a Turkish court case is that 4 of the 9/11 hijackers were trained in Turkish military bases.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/15/551916/-Sibel-Edmonds-Case:-The-Central-Asia-Islamization-Cocktail:-Mosques,-Madrassas,-HeroinTerrorism

  3. Bay Area Guy

    US imperialism has a very serious project in the Middle East, mostly centered around control of the oil fields. All of those oil fields are supposed to be in the hands of US friendly regimes supplied by US arms often housing US bases.

    Robert, please don’t tell me that you buy this whole “war for oil” BS.

    Numerous scholars and experts have debunked this myth.

    Experts and scholars in foreign policy have all heavily documented Israel and the Israel lobby’s role in the Iraq War. This is a matter of fact.

    Regurgitating the tired and unsubstantiated Chomsky line about this being a “war for Israel and typical imperial interests” won’t cut it.

    It’s just that I think that the Israelis and their frankly Jewish agents in the US were not so slick as to push George Bush into attacking Iraq solely on the behest of the Israelis.

    Oh, they certainly did push the U.S. into war on behalf of Israel. They just tried to keep a low profile about it. Of course, neocons, and not Israelis, conceived of the war in the first place, but neocons might as well be Israelis.

    Let’s see, Ra’anan Gissen, Shimon Peres, Ehud Barak, Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, etc, were all pushing for the war and whipping up hysteria against Saddam as the next Hitler and the greatest threat to Israel, etc.

    It’s just that the interests of the Israelis and their US dual loyalists buddies in the US along with US imperialism tended to coincide in this case. The US and Israel both wanted Saddam gone.

    No, that’s just not true. Big oil, the U.S. military, and other U.S. imperial interests were all opposed to the war.

    In fact, big oil wanted to lift sanctions and end bullying tactics against countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Libya. This kind of war was the LAST THING that oil wanted.

    The only interest I see is Israel, which is not in the U.S’s best interests, strategically, economically, or diplomatically.

    With all due respect, even for someone who is Jew-wise, your subconscious philo-Semitism is rearing its head here, Robert.

  4. Ken Hoop

    The bases are not a “done deal” in the regard that American oil companies’ ability to profit after an as yet pro-Iranian Iraqi government becomes stable, which is not nearly yet the case, is quite dubious.

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