Louis CK – Being White

By Louis CK, standup comic.

He exemplifies one of the main positions of the Liberal Race Realism platform, as described by observers – positive White racial identity. Liberal Race Realism is also open to non-Whites. In that case, we would advocate positive racial or ethnic identity for whichever group the person is a member of. Self-abasement and self-hatred is disreputable in most any race or ethnic group. Everyone should support their people.

I never cared much about being White other than the usual undercover “White pride” that almost all Whites have. I covered it up with BS PC White self-abnegation for a long time. I used to go around crowing about how Whites were inferior and laughing about it. Then I moved to an Hispanic city and I discovered that there are worse things than being White after all.

And like the guy in this video, ever since, I wake up every morning thinking, “Thank GOD for making me White!” I look in the mirror and think, “Yeah! White!” I would high-five the damned mirror except that it might hurt my hand. Why? Because I’m a Nazi? Of course not. Why then? Because I’m like the guy in this video.

Louis CK says any White person who doesn’t admit being White is great is an asshole. I agree. Almost all White nationalists fall into this category. Though they think White is the greatest thing since sliced bread (I agree), they also go on and on about how horrible it is to be White in the US. LOL, yeah right. That’s why they are so pitiful. Whites are being attacked! Oh Boo hoo! Waa waa! Mommy mommy! White nationalists seem like a bunch of pussies. What are they crying about? Whites are on top in the USA. Enjoy the scenery!

Say it loud! I’m White and I’m proud!*

*With apologies to the Godfather of Soul RIP.

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149 responses to “Louis CK – Being White

  1. His humour’s great. I like it. I never thought this way once upon a time. When I learned in my early twenties about the history of British imperialism I thought that to be white was bad news. We’d done all the bad stuff in the world. When my black friend told me all whites are racist – it was like 15 years ago maybe, I thought, that’s it, I’m not putting up with this shit anymore, and I gave her hell. The friendship barely survived the row. Now, since 2007 I have on my Facebook profile “I am white, male and middle class.” So if anyone doesn’t like they can leave immediately…Ha! Ha! What are the three WORST things you could be according to the PC Left?

    MALE – Ohmigod! Part of the rapist ubersex patriarchal killer class

    WHITE – oh fuck, what a downer! All the crimes of history are down to us!

    MIDDLE CLASS – you might as well crawl down a hole in the ground and stay there….

    Far, far better to be a Jewish black working class transgender lesbian – that would be totally rad…

    Karl Marx didn’t suffer from this nonsense, neither did Engels the first male equity feminist (John Stuart Mill was the other one). I wonder what he would have made of radical feminism? They knew they were white, male, middle class Germans. Engels especially enjoyed his wealth, his fox hunting excursions and long relationship with his working class mistress (whom he treated very well) Lizzie Burns. Marx fathered a child, Freddie Demuth, by his maid. They both drank to excess and went on long pub crawls in London. They were pretty average males, and unapologetic about it.

    But they sided with the dispossessed and we are forever in their debt. Engels wrote the first readable explanation of what Marx was on about in Capital, for those (most of us!) who couldn’t cope with it, as well as the first account of the establishment of male power in history, the bourgeois family and the the resulting oppression of women.

    Not average males then. Giants, but with the usual male appetites…

    White, male middle class giants ha! ha!…

    • Bay Area Guy

      That’s excellent analysis.

      I absolutely hated myself for being white, male, and upper middle class in high school. I thought to myself, “much better to be non-white, because they’re not hated or seen as evil, and they’re not constantly being accused of being the bane of the earth.”

      Now, I too don’t put up with this shit anymore. If a black person or some other non-white person fucks with me, watch out.

      Who knows? Growing up in the most PC liberal and racially diverse region in the country had an impact on me.

      Had I grown up in a homogenous white enclave, I probably would have enjoyed being white.

      • I’ve loved being White my whole life. I grew up in all White areas all through my youth and into my early 20′s. Actually I have lived in White areas most of my life. Sure, I have been around those “other areas,” but not so much. Anyway, I tend to get along with Blacks pretty well. I don’t take any shit from Blacks at all, and it seems like they respect that.

        I realize that a lot of Whites have problems dealing with Blacks, but I haven’t had a ton of problems for whatever reason. Then again, I haven’t gotten real close to lots of them either. Even when I taught at all Black schools, I would just go, do my job and go home. I didn’t socialize with the other teachers much.

        • Bay Area Guy

          I realize that a lot of Whites have problems dealing with Blacks, but I haven’t had a ton of problems for whatever reason.

          Well, there are good reasons why whites have problems dealing with blacks. Compared to other groups, they aren’t exactly the most pleasant group of people to deal with.

          Then again, I haven’t gotten real close to lots of them either.

          Bingo.

          Like Jared Taylor said, one’s tolerance for diversity is related to his distance from it.

          I’ve loved being White my whole life. I grew up in all White areas all through my youth and into my early 20′s. Actually I have lived in White areas most of my life.

          Well, there you go.

          I didn’t have that luxury. In fact, my dad even jokes with me that one day he’s going to take me to an all white enclave in the Bay Area (such as Walnut Creek, Danville, Marin, etc) just so I can experience what it’s like to be in a homogenous white bubble.

          As I’ve said before, I espouse white nationalist ideology and make logical arguments, but what my views really come down to is my own personal experience.

          I got a small taste growing up of what would happen to us whites should current demographic changes continue unabated.

      • I even dig being White in this Mexican/Hispanic town. A lot of Hispanics are White anyway. Fuck em if they don’t like it. Anyway, I think a lot of Hispanics don’t care. They don’t hate Whites. Lot of them ARE White.

        My attitude is: I am THE GREAT WHITE MAN! And screw you if you don’t realize that or respect that.

        • fpy3p

          You live in a Mexican neighborhood?
          And a lot of the Mexis I’ve seen were heavily Amerindian looking.

        • Bay Area Guy

          My attitude is: I am THE GREAT WHITE MAN! And screw you if you don’t realize that or respect that.

          Now that’s what I’m talking about! There’s the Robert I’ve come to respect!

        • Alpha Unit

          “I am the GREAT WHITE MAN, and screw you if you don’t realize that or respect that”?

          Impressive.

        • Hacienda

          “My attitude is: I am THE GREAT WHITE MAN! And screw you if you don’t realize that or respect that.”

          LOL. That’s your attitude. But I’ve seen how whites actually act in heavily Mexican areas. Whites that SHOW that attitude get f+cked over. You know that as well as I do.

  2. randy

    Louis CK wrote and directed Pootytang. Go look it up.

  3. fpy3p

    Why did Louis CK say that blacks wouldn’t want to go back to pre-1980 times? I could understand if he said pre-1965, what was so horrible for blacks before 1980?

  4. matt

    Actually, the early to late 1970s would have been the only time I would have even thought about trying blackness out, if such an option were available. Even then, I may just be deluded by the pop culture of the time.

    • We were really nice to Blacks in that era. There were hardly any of them around, but nobody really minded them. Anti-Black racism was really taboo back in those days, at least in the parts I ran in. A lot of Blacks were hippie Blacks or hipster Blacks with Afros. They smoked Kools and dressed in this certain way, with hats and sometimes suits. Hard to describe, but it wasn’t gangsta rap at all. If I have anything against them, it’s that a lot of them were into PCP. I went to this party once and those hipster Blacks started passing around PCP joints. They got all mixed up with the real joints and it got really hard to sort it out. We ended up getting high on PCP.

      But Blacks were pretty cool back in those days. Not so much of this hate Whitey shit if you ask me. And Black gangs did not seem to be such a big deal, but maybe I’m wrong. If a Black was a hippie Black, he was automatically ok as a fellow hippie. Nobody would hate you or anything like that. Plus most hippie Blacks acted pretty good like regular hippies. They weren’t particularly dangerous, thieving, etc.

      • Erranter

        What was the post-70s change? Identity politics, a move away from assimilation toward cultural preservation/multiculturalism, black nationalism, hip-hop, Reganism, etc? I wasn’t around, but it seemed like things were sort of on track to greater assimilation and integration and something happened. I’m even starting to think that people in my parent’s generation have a better perception and relationship with blacks of their age than us younger people. They say things like, The blacks didn’t used to talk and dress like that. I think maybe music was bringing people together and then music divided and started to separate them into groups. The youth always has defined its groups based on what music they listen to. And a lot of that is based on racial lines now. Probably more than before.

        • I need to add that crack was the most destructive thing to go into the blk community. Crack is largly the reason the blk underclass communities have become so dangerous.

          I think we will be saying the same thing about working class white communites in 20 years when it comes to meth.

      • The gangs came about as the blk panthers started to splinter. The organization was there, but no leaders.

        Google Tookie Smith erranter.

        erranter They say things like, The blacks didn’t used to talk

        yes they did, they just didn’t do it around whites. Outside of the bussiness world, I have no idea why blk speaking slang or ebonics would bothers some people. As long as the two people having a conversation understand each other that’s all that matters.

        erranter and dress like that
        that fashion for you. Now blk guys were tight jeans and do the rockstar look.

        • Erranter

          Yes, crack for sure. Working class whites are being hit pretty hard with meth, alcohol and even weed now, esp. in rural America. I don’t think they get super violent, though. Some do, of course, but the crime hasn’t gone through the roof or anything. Mostly it just turns the people, men especially, into useless flotsam. I lived in way, way north rural CA, where all you can do is sell/grow/pick drugs to make a living and there were some pretty scary whites living on their “compounds” or in their trailers. Delivered pizzas to some of them, too. Seeing that will kill any belief in the inherent superiority and perfection of the white race pretty quickly. But even so, a lot were pretty kind people. I think a lot were part native-American also.

  5. Bay Area Guy

    His history’s a bit off, considering white identity didn’t exist in the Roman times.

    But see Robert, for older generations like you, that’s easy for you to say. It’s no sweat off your back.

    You’ll probably be dead by the time whites are a nationwide minority.

    Young whites of my generation, however, have got good reason to worry. You know how Louis CK says that non-whites will fuck us up the ass in the future?

    Well, guess who’s going to be getting fucked up the ass? Me and my children, not you, pal.

    • tulio

      This is exactly the type of mindset that leads to extremism and violence. “They” are out to get “us”, like the average non-white has a countdown to 2050 Calendar on wall and gleefully checks off each day getting closer every morning.

      What people like BAG have is the siege mentality. People like him think there’s some big non-white conspiracy to “pay whitey back for all his crimes.” It’s really right up there with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in its sheer paranoia. When I read about some skinheads bashing in the heads of a Latino immigrant in Imperial County, they are all fueled by the same paranoid stuff I’m seeing coming from BAG.

      • Bay Area Guy

        You see Tulio, you act as if my attitudes are completely unjustified. And to bolster your claim, you lump me in with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion crowd.

        And no, I’m not going to go bash in the head of a Hispanic immigrant, if that’s what you’re getting at.

      • FG

        Perhaps all of this has something to do with Bay Area Guy having difficulty finding a girl? A post on effective courtship may be opportune at this time.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Perhaps all of this has something to do with Bay Area Guy having difficulty finding a girl?

          Yeah, a girl would be nice (if she helped pay for meals, was gorgeous, and nice, etc).

          But I don’t really see what that has to do with me.

          Jared Taylor, James Edwards, and other WN’s are married and have kids.

          So what’s the point?

        • tulio

          When did BAG admit that?

          I do think getting steady putang from a women you dig would solve half the world’s tensions. Palestinians blowing themselves up with the hope of getting 72 virgins. That George Sodini guy, those sexual frustrated Chinese men attacking school children. I think Freud was right about a lot. After money and survival, people’s main motivator is sex.

        • Bay Area Guy

          When did BAG admit that?

          A while back.

          I have no shame in admitting certain flaws of mine. Am I a saint? Hardly.

          But that doesn’t change my arguments.

        • FG

          “Pay for meals” you say? I think you are in need of some advice.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Well, I’m not saying that they “pay for meals,” but that they “help pay for meals.”

          I don’t want my girlfriend to be a financial burden.

        • Alpha Unit

          Girlfriend = FInancial Burden. No way around it!

        • Bay Area Guy

          Girlfriend = FInancial Burden. No way around it!

          Crap! :)

          But the way I see it, if women want equal opportunities, and treatment, then they ought to get EQUAL TREATMENT.

          Equality doesn’t just mean getting all the good stuff. It also means equal burden.

          In other words, they need to help start paying for meals, movie tickets, etc.

        • Alpha Unit

          Don’t you know that’s just a ruse? Women don’t want equal treatment. They might say they do, but just try it. You’ll find out what they really want.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Don’t you know that’s just a ruse? Women don’t want equal treatment. They might say they do, but just try it. You’ll find out what they really want.

          Oh, I agree.

          When I’m not discussing race, I’m also a masculinist.

          I think that radical feminism is BS, and that there are many problems plaguing men (young men in particular).

          Feminists don’t give two shits about them. You’re right. They don’t really want equal treatment.

          To me, no group truly wants equal treatment. They just want power and privilege of their own. So when I hear any group (be it blacks or women) say that they just want equality, I say BS.

        • FG

          This must be what growing up in San Francisco does to you. You’ve got to understand that giving female love interests special treatment is part of the natural order.

        • BAG Jared Taylor, James Edwards, and other WN’s are married and have kids.

          Some people are naturally more war like than others. It is believed that children and a wife quiets this side down of most men.

  6. Bay Area Guy

    All I know is that at least based on my own experience, being white was not fun and games for me, at least in middle and high school.

    • Hacienda

      You’re transparent. Colored folks see right through you. They treat you accordingly. Robert comes from a generation that could afford that, “the world waits for white people” attitude. That periods over. It couldn’t last. Grow up some. Learn about other cultures. Not just the white authored book sh+t.

        • Hacienda

          No. Thank you. This may sound odd. But I’ve learned a lot about individual freedom, not from my civics courses. But from black people. LOL.

      • Bay Area Guy

        Learn about other cultures. Not just the white authored book sh+t.

        Oh, I have.

        I’ve read “The Autobiography of Malcolm X,” “Black Boy,” “The Bluest Eye,” “Yellow,” by Frank Wu, “Custer Died for Your Sins,” etc.

        You see, unlike other WN’s, I do my homework.

        And no, I’m not used to people kissing my ass on account of me being white. Quite the opposite, in fact. I’m USED to the hostility and attitude.

        That doesn’t mean that I have to like or accept it.

        • Hacienda

          Nah. You’re reading list says a lot right there. You are reading racial conflict books. These are not books that actually tell you about blacks or yellows. You are defining black and yellows in relation to the conflict between races. You’re already limiting them to your own personal struggle. Malcom X, Frank Wu are about a very limited spectrum of black or yellow experience in comparison to the entirety of the black or yellow world. In fact, they are trivial.

          It’s as if I defined white people by reading The Turner Diaries or Mein Kampf.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Well, then, what non-racial black and yellow reading list would you recommend?

          But yes, I grant your point.

        • Erranter

          Frederick Douglass’ Narrative is a start. As well as Autobiography of an Ex-colored Man. Granted, they’re both about mulattoes and being in between identities, but it gives you a good idea of what it’s like to be black/mulatto/mixed-race in American society. And it also helps you see that they’re soul-searching humans and Americans just like you are.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Frederick Douglass’ Narrative is a start.

          I’ve actually did read that. Interesting.

          Mr. Severe the Overseer is the one name that always stuck in my mind.

        • tulio

          There is also music too. Exploring the music of other cultures is one of the best ways to understand them. I spent a few hours yesterday just listening to classic soul, jazz and funk from the 60-70s era. It’s hard to not be put in a cheery mood after listening to that music. There are also great black musicians outside of America, Celia Cruz, Cesaria Evora, Ali Farka Toure, Seu Jorge(and many sambistas from Brazil), reggae from Jamaica. I think you have to be exposed to the positive side of people’s cultures as well to get a full understanding.

        • Bay Area Guy

          *I actually did read that*

        • Erranter

          The Black genius, like the German genius, often manifests itself in music.

        • Hacienda

          BAG,

          Mishima is cool. I read his books a LONG time ago. He’s got a lot of old Japan romanticism, samurai pride thing going. He wanted Japan to revert to Shinto Emporer worship. Kawabata’s nice. I’m a Japanophile.
          Just because it is such a damn cool country.
          There really is no other country like it.

          Ancient Chinese philosophy is a revelation. The I-Ching is a great work of philosophy and psychology. It acknowledges and elevates the role of randomness and chaos in our lives and places them at the center. Randomness, not a thing to be feared, but spun, twisted, taken advantage of.

          Chuang Tzu is the philosopher of “The True Man”. And the true man sleeps well, without dreams.

          As for black stuff. All I know are the black struggle classics. The Invisible Man, Native Son, Things Fall Apart. Great stuff, all of them. For there is no struggle like the black struggle. Maybe you should youtube Fat Albert, or watch Oprah, LOL. It’s hard to hate blacks if you are a fan of Oprah. I’m not, but I just know this is like a law of race relations. “The Oprah Law”. If you like Oprah, you cannot hate blacks. If you hate Oprah, you likely hate blacks.

          I’m into Korean pop culture. It’s just so f+cking zany and changes every 5 years. A lot of it is based on the charismatic male lead and the worshipful female, the kind of thing you saw from anglo lead/jew producer Hollywood pre-60s. But Kpop isn’t what I would call authentically Korean.

        • Bay Area Guy

          I’ve read Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” and “The Analects” by Confucius.

          Yeah, all of the black novels I’ve read are black struggle novels.

          I’ve read “Black Boy,” “The Bluest Eye,” “Invisible Man,” “A Lesson Before Dying,” “The Autobiography of Malcolm X,” and probably more (that’s just off the top of my head).

          I haven’t really read many non-racial struggle black novels.

          I had to read Zora Neale Hurston’s “Their Eyes Were Watching God” my final year in high school, but since I was in my senioritis slacker mode, I sparknoted it, as well as all the other books assigned that year! Lol!

          From what I’ve read, Zora Neale Hurston isn’t your black struggle type. She’s more interested in the internal dynamics of the black community, as opposed to white people.

          By the way, thanks for the recommendations!

        • Bay Area Guy

          Hacienda’s made a good point, and has made me analyze why I think the way I do.

          Even though I’m a WN, most of my negative racial views have mainly pertain to blacks.

          I think that has to do with the fact that much of my exposure to blacks (individually, intellectually/in a literature sense, online) have all been in the context of racial conflict and confrontation.

          In many ways, reading black struggle novels, having unpleasant interactions with blacks in middle school, etc, I’ve just come to believe that blacks are a very edgy and aggressive people with a “get and fuck with whitey” kind of attitude.

          That’s where my whole “fight fire with fire” white nationalism comes from, at least when it comes to blacks.

          I don’t have the same angry or hostile attitudes towards Asians.

          One, I’ve had much better experiences with them.

          Two, I’ve studied Asian history and read Asian literature that didn’t have to do with racial struggle against whites. As a result, I don’t see Asians in the same confrontational, get whitey terms that I see blacks.

          Here’s how I rank non-whites, starting from most disliked to least disliked:

          1. Blacks
          2. Hispanics
          3. Middle Easterners
          4. American Indians
          5. Asians

          (Although I really don’t have a problem with Indians or Asians. I’m just saying that if I did have to rank them, they would be at the bottom of my dislike list)

        • Bay Area Guy

          Maybe you should youtube Fat Albert, or watch Oprah, LOL. It’s hard to hate blacks if you are a fan of Oprah. I’m

          Lol!

          I actually think “The Cosby Show” does the trick.

          It’s pretty hard to be angry with blacks after watching the Huxtables.

        • fpy3p

          Why do you dislike Middle Easterners more than East Asians? And do you include jews in the Middle Eastern category?

        • Bay Area Guy

          I’ve just noticed a pervasive hostility among Middle Easterners towards Western Civilization.

          You look at the Muslims at my UC, and the girls wear headscarfs, the guys are all big on Islam, etc.

          Again, it has to do with attitude, and in that sense, the reason I dislike them (to the extent that I do, though I don’t really dislike them that much, and don’t even really think about them) has to do with their attitude, similar to Jews.

          And again, I don’t dislike East Asians. I’m just saying that is I did have to rank them, they’d be at the bottom of my dislike list.

        • fpy3p

          What’s schizophrenic about jews is that they established their “homeland” smack dab in the Arab world, their traditional language is Semitic, just like Arabic, yet they want to not be put in the Middle Eastern category. WTF?? How the fuck are they NOT Middle Eastern considering these two facts? I don’t care how long they’ve been in Europe, the Europeans always have seen them as outside interlopers, not “one of them.”

        • Xera

          Hacienda don’t kid yourself, Japan is a shit country thats part of an ethnic group thats considered the least attractive looking in the world. All their innovation and shits came from elsewhere where the Japanese claimed it as their own. (Sudoko one example) Their entire culture came from India, their martial arts also came from India. Their technology was copied from the West, the rest of their culture came from China, I could go on and on about how two shitty that culture/country is. They are basically a bunch of worthless, ugly, culture stealing, backstabbing, ethnocentric white-wannabe, bland, unoriginal, hypocritic pieces of Chinks. Oh wait, I just decribed most Asians in that one sentence. They think just because they put rice powder on their skin to look like porcelein dolls it makes them much more noble and a more evolved race as great as whites LOL!!!!! Oh yeah and the women in that country hate their own men and it’s experiencing one of the largest demographic crisis in history, not to mention its been in a depression for a long time. As for Asians being least disliked, I would firmly disagree with notion, they are very disliked in a lot of areas and in the Middle East they are considered untouchables. They are also one of the least attractive races (males) of all the races out there.

      • Hacienda You’re transparent. Colored folks see right through you. They treat you accordingly. Robert comes from a generation that could afford that, “the world waits for white people” attitude. That periods over. It couldn’t last. Grow up some. Learn about other cultures. Not just the white authored book sh+t.

        BAG, don’t be offended by this. Hacienda was speaking the truth. You don’t have to be ashamed of being white. self hatred isn’t attractive. but don’t expect other people to kiss your butt because you’re white & male.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Chic Noir, I don’t expect anyone to kiss my butt. In fact, I expect THE EXACT OPPOSITE, and have dealt with such growing up.

          I’m used to non-whites (mainly blacks, and to a smaller extent Hispanics) being feisty and aggressive.

          I addressed hacienda’s comment a while back.

  7. tulio

    Fuck him. If Rosa Parks was alive, maybe he should sit down and joke about this stuff with someone like her who lived through all this “it’s great to be white” shit and saw it from the ugly side. I don’t find anything funny about joking about the privileges that a racist society gives you. Maybe I can go to India and find some Brahmin joking about how it’s so great to be a Brahmin while his caste has stepped on the necks of Dalits for century. I’d say fuck him too. Or maybe an Israeli comedian can joke about how great it is to be Jewish while Palestinian homes are being bulldozed to make way for Jewish settlements. Privileged classes shouldn’t be joking about shit like this. It’s simply not funny.

    It’s one thing to be white and have a healthy sense of self-esteem and pride in what you are, it’s an entirely different thing to have white arrogance. And it’s the latter that disgusts me.

    • Bay Area Guy

      It’s one thing to be white and have a healthy sense of self-esteem and pride in what you are

      Funny, because any such expressions of pride are deemed “hate” and relegated to the fringe.

      • Bay Area Guy

        Privileged classes shouldn’t be joking about shit like this. It’s simply not funny.

        What’s very ironic about that statement is that anti-racists frequently cite him approvingly.

        They see his routine as attacking “white privilege.”

        Well, I’m no big fan of stand-up comedians in general. I can understand how they rub people the wrong way.

      • tulio

        Not really. I see open expressions of Irish pride on St. Patty’s day with Irish parades and all this stuff where whites are celebrating pride. I see Italians doing it on Columbus Day parades in NYC. They are white.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Well, the Irish and Italians maybe, but not whites in general.

          At least at my schools, you never had any celebration of Western European heritages.

        • fpy3p

          That’s strange. Why Irish and Italians, but nobody else? German Americans are the most populous of white Americans, yet you don’t see any expression of pride and solidarity amongst them.

        • tulio

          I see it at Oktoberfest celebrations.

          I’m just saying that white cultures do celebrate their various heritages without being criticized for it. There are also local Greek festivals I’ve seen where Greek pride is expressed. You could have a parade called the French Parade or Swedish parade where all things French and Swedish would be celebrated and nobody would care. But if it was the White parade, then yeah, It’d sound like a Klan march. There is a difference in how it’s perceived.

          In Latvia every year, they have a Blond parade. Just a parade through the city of nothing but blond people. I guess that’s sort of a white pride parade, but nobody cares. I’ve not heard anyone call it racist. I bet they could even do that in the U.S.A. and people would get a kick out of it but I don’t think anyone would care to be honest.

          http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/latvias-blonde-parade

          What people don’t like though is when its’ this Aryan Nations neo-Nazi type of white pride.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Well, Latvia doesn’t have any non-whites, so they can get away with it.

          And yes, I am well aware of the perceptions regarding white vs. European ethnic groups.

          (I’ve read countless anti-racist articles decrying the whole notion of the “white race” because it “destroys our actual European heritage,” blah blah blah)

          However, let’s face it. Most white people are simply white. To the extent that they do talk about their ethnicity, it’s mainly with fellow white people and is more of a “that’s interesting” than an important part of their identity.

          What I want to do is eliminate the taboo regarding white pride.

          This will mainly be done my appealing to other whites.

          And if non-whites are offended? Fuck ‘em!

        • fpy3p

          Does your definition of white include anyone outside of Europe, such as Arabs, Persians, jews etc.,?

        • Bay Area Guy

          If they look white and see themselves as such, then sure.

          Unlike other WN’s, I’m no Nordicist.

          I believe in pan-white/Caucasian unity. If certain white or Caucasian groups don’t see themselves as such and don’t want to join, their choice.

          If they do see themselves as such and want to join, then great!

          However, at least based on my own personal experience, I’ve noticed that white looking Middle Easterners and Hispanics absolutely hate it when you see them as white, and stridently reject a white identity.

          I’m sure that there are others who have different views, but I hesitate to accept non-European Caucasians as white, if only because of their attitudes towards whites.

        • fpy3p

          This whole “Caucasian” theory is nonsense. Genetically, Arabs have absolutely no common lineage with Europeans.

        • tulio

          “However, let’s face it. Most white people are simply white. To the extent that they do talk about their ethnicity, it’s mainly with fellow white people and is more of a “that’s interesting” than an important part of their identity. ”

          Well what is it exactly that you’re celebrating if not the particular cultures and traditions? So whites are supposed to all come together and celebrate? That they have little melanin in their skin? It would seem to make sense to celebrate some ethnic tradition because it’s actually based on something.

          Is this “white pride” based on hatred of others? Or an implied superiority? Yeah, I know you don’t care what I think because I’m black, but if your intention is to package white pride and sell it to whites then these questions are going to come up.

          What exactly is being celebrated in a white pride movement. Why is one even necessary in the first place given that whites basically rule the country and control pretty much everything (does there need to be a Japanese pride movement in Japan?). Is white pride based on implied superiority and hatred of other races? Are there examples of white pride groups that have a non-hateful agenda? How do white pride types deal with WNs who are violent and attack non-whites such as skinhead types do? What do white pride types think about having a black president? Or any black elected officials? Should blacks be barred from high offices? What is the end goal? Division of the United States into racial territories by force, i.e. ethnic cleansing? These are questions that mainstream whites will be curious about. I’m curious to hear your answers.

          “White pride” as you present it may sound benign on the surface, but I think the ultimate goal is ethnic cleansing, and there are no examples of that happening in history that didn’t involve violence and bloodshed. WNs that want some form of mainstream credibility will say they advocate no violence toward non-whites, but they can’t reconcile the fact that in order to have separate racial territories, they MUST ethnically cleanse them. Even in the Mountain states there are Native Americans there. What are you going to do with them?

        • Bay Area Guy

          It would seem to make sense to celebrate some ethnic tradition because it’s actually based on something.

          Of course, I’m not saying that whites shouldn’t celebrate their ethnic backgrounds. I’m not saying that whites shouldn’t have separate identities outside of being white.

          However, the fact of the matter is that we are white, and are seen as such, regardless of what we do. Whether we like it or not, we’re in this together.

          White pride is based on the fact that we ARE white. How can we not be for ourselves?

          Let me put it this way.

          Being white means enjoying The Sopranos, Family Guy, certain Talk Shows, etc. It means talking with my dad about Greek culture (the few times we do, anyway) and also being descended from those who came on the Mayflower. It means eating Bratwursts, hamburgers, pizza, Belgian chocolate, and drinking German beer. I have actually travelled to the lands of my respective European identities and for the most part enjoyed my times there. I believe that my whiteness can combine all three elements of my ethnic identity in a pan-European fashion.

          Why is one even necessary in the first place given that whites basically rule the country and control pretty much everything?

          Again.

          President = black man

          Attorney General = black man

          Chief of Staff and Senior Adviser = Jewish

          9/21 of Obama’s cabinet members = Non-white, which actually makes them over-represented.

          Our own two senators = Jewish women

          Etc.

          Also, not to mention the fact that white elites backstab their own people and have imposed this Cultural Marxism, economic elitism, etc on us from above.

          I mean, how much actual power do I have? Or any other white individual for that matter?

          Besides, whites won’t have power for much longer.

          (does there need to be a Japanese pride movement in Japan?).

          Well, I know that people are extremely nationalistic in Japan.

          Also, as someone who’s studied China in college, I know that Chinese nationalism and pride are very much mainstream.

          Han Chinese nationalism is part of the very fabric of modern Chinese culture. They obsessively watch the completion of major public works, documentaries on past empires (because they’re going to be the next empire), get pissed of at Tibetans and Northwest Muslims when they protest because they see them as ungrateful, etc.

          Why should we be less nationalistic than others? Unilateral disarmament is suicidal.

          Are there examples of white pride groups that have a non-hateful agenda? How do white pride types deal with WNs who are violent and attack non-whites such as skinhead types do?

          Well, “hate” is a strong word. Do most WN’s dislike blacks and want to avoid them? You bet.

          But do they absolutely hate them and want to exterminate them? Probably not.

          Believe me, Jared Taylor, Tomislav Sunic, TPC, and other shows are not these militant skinhead types, and disassociate themselves from these types.

          Yeah, I know, you’ll say they’re just doing that for image purposes. But trust me, Jared Taylor is pretty harmless. He’s just a separatist who wants to live in his white world, free of multiracial influences.

          We’re just tired of white kids having to put up with “diversity,” “multiculturalism,” “privilege walks,” etc.

          We’re tired of this Cultural Marxism brainwashing.

          What do white pride types think about having a black president? Or any black elected officials? Should blacks be barred from high offices?

          Sure, we’re not big fans of having a black president.

          (although I actually voted for him in 2008. I also don’t really think about Obama too much, and see him as the least of my worries)

          Regarding black elected officials, they can run for office all they want. I would just prefer that they did it in majority black areas.

          I would also encourage whites not to vote for them.

          I mean, hey, they can run to their hearts content, but we don’t have to vote for them.

          Blacks vote for black candidates (look at places such as Detroit), so I say we vote for our candidates, especially since we continue to become a minority.

          “White pride” as you present it may sound benign on the surface, but I think the ultimate goal is ethnic cleansing, and there are no examples of that happening in history that didn’t involve violence and bloodshed. WNs that want some form of mainstream credibility will say they advocate no violence toward non-whites, but they can’t reconcile the fact that in order to have separate racial territories, they MUST ethnically cleanse them.

          I guess that’s the question I must address the most.

          Regarding “Ethnic Cleansing,” that does not have to entail violence or genocide.

          It can entail voluntary separation, partitioning, etc.

          For example, I hear blacks constantly moaning about how racist and oppressive this society is, and how they can never get a fair deal from whites.

          Well, why shouldn’t blacks want their own separate nation, independent of whites? There, they can run their own schools, police forces, businesses, public services, workplaces, etc, free from our wicked racist influence.

          That’s why I like black nationalists such as Farrakhan. I say, let blacks have self-determination and nationhood. They’ll be free from our wickedly oppressive influence, and we’ll be free from the burden they impose on us by being an agitating thorn in our side.

          Of course, this would take mutual agreement.

          However, even if separation weren’t a viable option (most likely it isn’t), there is still a solution.

          I believe in whites simply developing unapologetic and self-interested attitudes and behaviors.

          I think Sam Francis nails it.

          http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/03/index.html#cover

          I’m not endorsing some of his views on the law, but his overall message that whites must cultivate an unapologetic, racially conscious self-interest fundamentally is the solution.

          Even in the Mountain states there are Native Americans there. What are you going to do with them?

          I don’t mind Indians. Unlike blacks, they don’t demand access to white neighborhoods, schools, workplaces, political positions, etc.

          They don’t scream “white privilege” or other CRT mumbo jumbo.

          They just want their land, water, hunting, and fishing rights, and they want to be left the hell alone.

          Fine by me. I’m more than willing to leave them be, since they’re willing to extend us that courtesy.

          All I know is that as long as the left continues to yell “white privilege,” celebrate the fact that whites will be a minority in the future, and demand that we give things up, you’re only going to further anger whites and drive them further and further to the right.

          But hey, that makes our job easier, so I say keep it up!

          Tulio, you probably don’t like me too much and definitely find my views disturbing, but I can promise you that I will always answer your questions.

          Hopefully, I did manage to answer all of your various questions in a satisfactory manner.

          If not, you can point it out, and I’ll answer the parts I missed.

        • tulio

          I’m curious, why do you list Jews as non-white? When you rambled off your list of non-white politicians, you included Feinstein and Boxer. They both look just as white to me as you probably look. So why is your pan-Aryanism not inclusive of Jews?

        • Bay Area Guy

          So why is your pan-Aryanism not inclusive of Jews?

          Has to do with their attitude. As I mentioned, I’m willing to accept anyone as white if they see themselves as such and are pro-white.

          So Jews such as Jew Among You and Paul Gottfried are accepted by me.

          However, Jews have proven time and time again that they are hostile towards the white majority.

          They’re the ones who created Cultural Marxism (ie. Herbert Marcuse mentoring Angela Davis), Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev, and the late Susan Sontag are Jewish, the self-righteous racial liberal teachers/assembly speakers in my high school were Jewish.

          Sure, I’m willing to accept Jews as white, but if Jews ever want to be wholly embraced by me and other WN’s, they have a lot of ‘splainin to do.

        • Bay Area Guy

          They both look just as white to me as you probably look.

          I don’t know about that.

          I’m pretty Northern European looking, in spite of my majority Greek ancestry.

        • tulio

          Also BAG, something I forgot to address. You bring up black majority cities with black mayors. Well of course they have black mayors, most the people are black, most the people running for the offices are black, so we can expect most the mayors to be black. What’s the alternative? To be like Brazil where a black city like Salvador da Bahia has never had a black mayor?

          How many black mayors do you see in Boise or Salt Lake City? You seem to be implying that black people will only vote for blacks. That is not true. At all. Did you know that early in the presidential primaries, more blacks supported Hillary than Obama? Did blacks run out and support Al Sharpton when he announced his candidacy? I don’t even think Jesse Jackson got much black support when he ran back in the 80s. Blacks vote for white candidates all the time. You can’t deny this fact. I’ve never heard of a black person that boycotted an election because there were no blacks to vote for.

          I have a hard time understanding how any rationalist person would not vote for someone based on nothing more than that person’s ancestry. It sounds rather primitive/tribal to me. It’s like caring what race the CEO of my company is. As long as he’s making the company money and everyone gainfully employed and happy with their jobs, he could be green for all I give a damn.

        • Bay Area Guy

          You bring up black majority cities with black mayors. Well of course they have black mayors, most the people are black, most the people running for the offices are black, so we can expect most the mayors to be black. What’s the alternative? To be like Brazil where a black city like Salvador da Bahia has never had a black mayor?

          That wasn’t my point. Of course, I have no problem with majority black cities voting in black mayors.

          What pisses me off is the way majority white areas are frequently attacked for “racism” when they elect mostly white mayors.

          So it’s okay for others to vote for their own kind, but not us?

          Did you know that early in the presidential primaries, more blacks supported Hillary than Obama?

          That, in and of itself, is true, but the implication is bullshit.

          That was before Obama won Iowa. The only reason why blacks didn’t monolithically support Obama at first was because they didn’t actually think he had a chance.

          Once he won Iowa and showed that he was a serious candidate, however, the monolithic black vote supported him.

          Did blacks run out and support Al Sharpton when he announced his candidacy?

          Well, Al was an idiot, with absolutely NO CHANCE of winning.

          Blacks may be monolithic, but they’re not dumb, at least when it comes to politics.

          I don’t even think Jesse Jackson got much black support when he ran back in the 80s.

          Seriously?!

          How else did he come in 3rd place in the 1984 Democratic Primary?

          Either he enjoyed monolithic black support, or we whites are not so racist as you think we are.

          I mean, why the hell would a good number of whites vote for Jesse Jackson?

          Obviously, he had a large amount of black support.

          Blacks vote for white candidates all the time. You can’t deny this fact.

          C’mon. That’s only when there’s not a black candidate to vote for. When there’s a white vs. a black candidate, blacks almost always go for the black.

          I know, you’ll bring up the recently elected New Orleans white mayor.

          Of course, there will always be exceptions to the rule, but the general rule is that blacks vote for blacks.

          Just look at the monolithic support Obama enjoyed during the Democratic primary, even though the Clinton’s had helped blacks in the past.

          And you know what? Fine. Let blacks vote for blacks. Just don’t scream about how racist we are just because we vote for white candidates.

        • tulio

          Come on dude, you’re smarter than this. Really. You act like there is no context to anything that’s going on.

          If Africans captured white slaves from Europe. Held them as slaves for 200 years in Nigeria. Then released them and oppressed them for the next 150 years under an apartheid system, do you think that if the whites voted for the first serious white candidate to run given their history, that they are just being racist? If the blacks that oppressed them refused to vote for a white candidate just because he was white, you see no difference? Come on…I know you do, dude.

          You just can’t look at a historically oppressed group’s voting patterns and say it’s no different in context than the historically oppressing group. We have had nothing but white presidents from day one. Blacks were happy to see that ultimate barrier being smashed.What’s so bad about that? That isn’t to say blacks would’ve voted for any black just because he’s black. If Hillary were running against Larry Elder, 95% of blacks would’ve voted for Hillary. Blacks are democrats first, blacks second.

        • Bay Area Guy

          I have a hard time understanding how any rationalist person would not vote for someone based on nothing more than that person’s ancestry.

          I think you misunderstand.

          Yeah, I probably won’t vote for someone because he’s black, but it’s not on account of blood.

          It has to do with beliefs and attitude. And let’s face it, most blacks are racially self-interested and, when able, will try to advance policies that help their people.

          Why should I vote for someone who will advance someone else’s agenda over my own?

          And yes, I know that Obama hasn’t advanced a black agenda, that he’s frequently accused by black activists of not doing enough for black people, etc.

          But still, the principle is the same.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Come on dude, you’re smarter than this. Really. You act like there is no context to anything that’s going on.

          Tulio, as I’ve said many times before, I KNOW the history.

          I UNDERSTAND why blacks would want to vote for a black candidate.

          But…

          If the blacks that oppressed them refused to vote for a white candidate just because he was white, you see no difference? Come on…I know you do, dude.

          Well, I would perfectly understand why blacks in Nigeria wouldn’t want to vote for a white candidate.

          Why should they want to vote for a candidate who’s part of an angry and edgy minority group that’s bitter over years of oppression?

          No, they would be smart to continue voting for their fellow black Nigerians.

          You just can’t look at a historically oppressed group’s voting patterns and say it’s no different in context than the historically oppressing group.

          Yes Tulio, I know.

          Racism = prejudice + power, only whites can be racist, blacks voting for blacks is an expression of pride, while whites voting for whites is an expression of white supremacy, blah blah blah.

          I’ve taken anti-racism 101. I UNDERSTAND.

          But again, regardless of the reason, the effect is the same: Blacks voting for a black, just because he’s black.

          And as I’ve said before, unilateral racial disarmament on the part of whites is suicidal.

          If other groups are going to advance their interests, we must advance ours.

          If Hillary were running against Larry Elder, 95% of blacks would’ve voted for Hillary.

          Yes, I’ve also heard that argument used many times.

          Well duh. They’re not going to vote for a complete Uncle Tom like Larry Elder.

          I think that a better comparison would be a white Democrat versus a black one.

          Yeah, blacks are monolithically Democrat, but within Democratic political races, they support black candidates over white ones.

        • Alpha Unit

          Nobody thinks that all Whites are racist. Nobody thinks that only Whites can be racist. You’re still wrong.

        • tulio

          “Why should I vote for someone who will advance someone else’s agenda over my own?

          And yes, I know that Obama hasn’t advanced a black agenda, that he’s frequently accused by black activists of not doing enough for black people, etc.

          But still, the principle is the same.”

          No, it isn’t the same. You are so steeped in racialized thinking that you can’t even call a cigar a cigar anymore. You won’t vote for someone who will advance someone else’s agenda over yours? Like what? What Agenda does Obama have that puts blacks over whites? You come from this racist perspective that blacks are simply incapable of being normal people with normal interest like anyone else first and foremost. Everything they do must be filtered through some clandestine racial agenda that somehow conflicts with whites. Blacks want the economy back on track. They want jobs. They want to see their home values rise again, they want to see us out of Iraq, they want make sure education and healthcare is adequate and affordable. Obama was elected because he promised these things, or at least he’d try anyway. He wasn’t supported by blacks because we thought he’d give us reparations. I ask you, what exactly does Obama represent that’s in the interest of blacks that is NOT in the interest of whites. And don’t say immigration,because as we know, the white democrat liberals have the same position, as do the conservatives like Bush, McCain, Huckabee and others who want open borders for cheap labor. And if you’re going to say affirmative action, well all the white democrats support it too, so it’s nothing unique to Obama.

          And also, if you’re going to pull out the card of who is in Obama’s cabinet, I recall Bush also having quite a few non-whites and women and Jews as advisers and cabinet members too. Hell, the Project for a New American Century was pretty much running the country for 8 years. Once again, what difference does it make what the ethnic makeup of the members are, it’s not even 1/100th as important as what they believe in.

          Can you truly tell me that if a black were running who had all your same positions on the economy, immigration, the war, etc you would vote against him in favor of a white that had the opposite positions? Just because he’s white?

        • Bay Area Guy

          Can you truly tell me that if a black were running who had all your same positions on the economy, immigration, the war, etc you would vote against him in favor of a white that had the opposite positions? Just because he’s white?

          Well, I would vote for him. But c’mon, how many blacks are going to have all of my same positions on key issues?

          And also, if you’re going to pull out the card of who is in Obama’s cabinet, I recall Bush also having quite a few non-whites and women and Jews as advisers and cabinet members too.

          Well, that just proves my point. When I pointed out Obama’s cabinet, it wasn’t in reference to Obama favoring non-whites.

          It was part of my point that we so-called “hegemonic white males” are not so dominant as believed.

          You come from this racist perspective that blacks are simply incapable of being normal people with normal interest like anyone else first and foremost. Everything they do must be filtered through some clandestine racial agenda that somehow conflicts with whites.

          Well, I’ve just noticed that more than any other groups, blacks are the most monolithic and racially self-interested.

          Of course, there is common ground (ie. jobs, better health care, getting out of Iraq, etc), but it’s an undeniable fact that blacks have interests that DO conflict with whites.

          I ask you, what exactly does Obama represent that’s in the interest of blacks that is NOT in the interest of whites?

          Well, I admit, I was a bit unclear when discussing Obama versus discussing overall racial voting patterns.

          I don’t think that Obama PERSONALLY is advancing a hostile agenda. Personally, I think that he’s simply a follower of lobbyists and self-interest groups (ie. his escalation of troops in Afghanistan, bailing out the bankers, threatening Iran, etc).

          The point I was trying to make is that GENERALLY, I wouldn’t vote for a black candidate because there’s a good chance that his agenda goes against my interests.

          The point I was trying to make is that GENERALLY, blacks vote for the black candidate. It could have been Obama, OR a black candidate who did advance black issues.

          And of course, yeah, if we’re talking affirmative action and immigration, white liberals are no different from Obama, as well as certain mainstream Republicans.

          Well, you’re not going to see me voting for white liberals, now are you? I’m also not going to vote for those Republicans who have ruined this country.

          (hmm, who will I vote for?)

          You know, Tulio, I wish I could believe you. I wish that blacks truly didn’t have a racial agenda in mind. I wish that the majority of blacks weren’t into CRT or other anti-racism.

          Ta-Nehisi Coates makes that claim that the majority of blacks are not racially oriented against whites.

          I wish I could believe him, but my gut tells me no.

      • BAG Funny, because any such expressions of pride are deemed “hate” and relegated to the fringe

        BAG, I see Irish people celebrating being Irish on Saint Patricks day. I also Italians celbrating being Italian just because. The Mormons also celebrate being Mormon in their own way.

        I’ve never heard another blk person take exception to this. Actually I see blk people celebrating the holidays of other people.

  8. LOL. That’s your attitude. But I’ve seen how whites actually act in heavily Mexican areas. Whites that SHOW that attitude get f+cked over. You know that as well as I do.

    Hmm, they don’t mess with me too much. I try to be as nice to them as possible, to treat them just as I would a White person. I basically try to totally suck up to them to the max.

    I don’t have a lot of problems with these people.

  9. Peter Griffin

    the reason some Arabs look white is because Europeans such as the Romans, Greeks, and Crusaders have colonized the middle east.

    • fpy3p

      Exactly. Real Arabs do not look any more white than a Chinese.

      • Erranter

        What are Arabs, then? I thought they were just Caucasoids with some Negroid blood. But I haven’t read a detailed article on it and can’t seem to find one. Is there some other aboriginal Semitic undertone (like the aboriginals in India and pre-Indo-Europeans in Europe) mixed in there, too?

        • I suppose they have a bit of Negroid in them, but generally not much. The Arabs are really just a part of the Mediterranean Race. They’re the original Whites. 12,000 YBP, Europeans phenotypically and genetically resembled Arabids. So Arabids are really just ancient Whites, very, very ancient Europid types. I think they are an extreme desert-adapted type of White. If they look White, and especially if they identify as White (some do) then I say they can join us in the White race.

          I have no problems with that. Some of them look so Black that they really are not White anymore though, like Prince Bandar.

  10. Robert, IIRC Prince Bandar’s mother is blk.

    LOL I used to think it was funny how much he resembles Colin Powell.

    Do you know some people have taken to saying that Bandar is Obama’s real dad?

    Arab’s got blk blood via the transaharan slave trade.

    • They joke in Saudi Arabia that his mother was a slave. There are definitely some pretty Black looking folks in Saudi Arabia, but I think most of them are pretty mixed. Some of the women are really beautiful.

      The Arabs are in denial about their Black blood. They don’t want to hear about it, and many deny it.

  11. BAG Unlike blacks, they don’t demand access to white neighborhoods, schools, workplaces, political positions, etc.

    Any neighborhood that you or I live in, is the neighborhood of a NA. They were here first.

    I don’t buy those other arguments flying around.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Any neighborhood that you or I live in, is the neighborhood of a NA. They were here first.

      Ah yes, the cliche.

      “They were here first.”

      Well no kidding. So in the spiritual sense, this is an Indian country. However, in a physical and practical sense, what you said isn’t true.

      • I have you two points for admitting the spiritual sense. Some people won’t do that. You and I both know you were wrong to say “white political positions”. They darn sure should have a say in what goes on in this country.

        bag Ah yes, the cliche.

        “They were here first.”

        well, I have some associates who can trace their ancestors back to the Mayflower. they seem to think of themselves as a different group versus the Ellis Island group.

        Anyway, that’s just human nature for you.

        • Our people came over on the Mayflower. We were also part of the First Families of Virginia, and we are related to Pocohontas. What’s funny is that there are people who are the First Families of Los Angeles, but no one wants to claim it as they were all mestizos, Indians, Blacks, mulattos, zambos, etc. First Families of Virginia is a big deal as they are all White. There’s your White Privilege again, I guess.

          This White Privilege tastes really good. Waiter, can I have another glass please?

        • fpy3p

          Rob, do you have any German in you, or are you nearly all British? For some reason, you look southern German, perhaps from Bavaria or Baden.

  12. BAG He’s just a separatist who wants to live in his white world, free of multiracial influences.

    We as Americans are so simple in our thinking when it comes to ethnicity.

    does he really think all of his issues are going to go away when he gets rid of POCs. Look what happened in Canada between the French and English speaking side. What about Switzerland or Spain or Belgium? You will still have issues. No more multiracial issues, you’ll now have multiethnic issues.

    • Bay Area Guy

      No more multiracial issues, you’ll now have multiethnic issues.

      Fine by me.

      At least with multiethnic issues, no more “white privilege” lectures, Critical Race Theory, and edgy blacks.

      • tulio

        Yeah, but I’m sure the Spanish would rather put up with CRT than Basques blowing up shit in Madrid. You might have to hear Tim Wise or Eric Dyson spout off about white privilege, but that’s about it. Jesse Jackson isn’t ordering terrorists to car-bomb malls.

        • haha

          tulio, you beat me to it.

        • Bay Area Guy

          Well Tulio, nobody’s saying that everything would be perfect if we lived in a more homogenous society.

          There will always be conflict. However, racial diversity DOESN’T HELP.

          I don’t think that I even need to go into the problems that are caused by racial diversity in this country.

          Again, yeah, in Europe and other parts of the world, you have ethnic based violence and hatred, as well as class struggle.

          But at least people in racially homogenous areas aren’t ashamed of being who they are. They don’t impose guilt trips on their own people (well, okay, in Germany they do), and have a firm sense of who they are.

          And unlike whites in this multiracial America, people in homogenous parts of Europe and Asia have a firm sense of self-interest, and are not afraid to fight for their interests.

        • Bay Area Guy

          And yeah, occasionally, racial diversity does kill people.

          Like Omar Thornton.

          (and yes, I know that there are white mass murderers and criminals who kill other white people, so there’s no need to point that out)

        • David

          And yeah, occasionally, racial diversity does kill people.

          Like Omar Thornton.

          (and yes, I know that there are white mass murderers and criminals who kill other white people, so there’s no need to point that out)

          If you knew this why did you feel obligated to point out Omar Thornton? What is your point?

          This particular comment is about as useful to the discussion as a multi-culti blaring, “And yeah, occasionally, white privilege does kill people.

          Like [insert workplace murder committed by white].”

          Omar Thornton is a total non-sequitur to the discussion at hand. He was a psychologically deranged individual who reacted homicidally to problems at his workplace, like 50+ other people in the past 30 years, the majority of whom are white. Going postal at work in fact a nearly entirely white phenomenon (something like 90%+). You could go so far as to say it’s a White Pathology.

        • Bay Area Guy

          David, just out of curiosity, what are your views on race.

          If I had to place you in a strict category, I’d say you’re one of those anti-racist types.

        • David

          evidence, please.

          Whoops, I was wrong. Serves me right. According to the Bureau of Labor (www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/work_hom.pdf), co-worker homicide assailants from 1997-2008 were 53.5% white, 16.8% black. Blacks are still overrepresented and whites are still underrepresented, but rather less so than the overall homicide rate.

          blacks do their fair share of serial killing.

          The racial diversification of serial killers generally mirrors that of the overall U.S. population, making serial killing practically the only crime that does so (as opposed to rape, robbery, burglary, assault, and pretty much every other violent crime).

          David, just out of curiosity, what are your views on race.

          Anti-racist race realist.

          I’d say you’re one of those anti-racist types.

          I’m going to hazard a guess that “those” anti-racist types refers to Tim Wise, Robert Jensen et al. (I actually had never heard of either of these names before coming to this blog). I listened to a few Tim Wise lectures on youtube, and I feel he has a good number of valid points ensnared in an avalanche of bullshit. I feel the same way about white nationalists.

      • BAG won’t really change.

        no more “white privilege” lectures,
        they will become “Nortern European privilege ” lectures

        Critical Race Theory, and edgy blacks.

        Critical Ethnic theory and edgy Southern Europeans with brown eyes.

        the president or PM of Spain thought the terrorists attacks that happened there a few years ago was committed by Basque sepretists. Ireland had a lot of bombing and fighting between the Catholics and Christians . I have no idea why you believe it’s going to be so easy when everyone shares the same phenotype.

        • The President knew that the Basques had nothing to do with that attack. They just made that shit up that the Basques did it to get people all riled up against the Basques. Lying bastard. The Basques denied it from Day One.

    • Alpha Unit

      This is true. And multiethnic issues can be just as volatile as multiracial issues.

      • tulio

        And class as well. France has quite the history of struggle with that.

        Racial homogeneity guarantees nothing. The deadliest wars in history were fought by whites against other whites.

        Russians are stabbing people dead in the street who are from the Caucasus region. These are white people, but these white people look a little bit different from the Nordic white people, but even that’s not good enough.

        • fpy3p

          Caucasus people look almost Turkish, therefore Russian Slavs don’t think of them as fellow “whites.” More like Near Easterners.

        • tulio Russians are stabbing people dead in the street who are from the Caucasus region

          From what I’ve seen, those from the caucasus regions have darker coloring sort of like Italians. SMH

        • fpy3p

          Caucasus people are mor Near Eastern than European. Like I said, they look like folks from Georgia or Turkey.

        • Caucasus people look almost Turkish, therefore Russian Slavs don’t think of them as fellow “whites.” More like Near Easterners.

          but in this country would they be seen as White?
          I think so

        • fpy3p

          Italians, although they may be a bit darker than Anglo-Saxons, are still seen as white. Caucasus and Turkey, on the other hand, would not be, in part because of Muslim culture, and also because they look way more exotic than Italians. The Caucasus is the transition zone from Eastern Europe to the Middle East.

  13. BAG That was before Obama won Iowa. The only reason why blacks didn’t monolithically support Obama at first was because they didn’t actually think he had a chance

    I don’t think many of us knew much about him besides behind Carol Moseley Braun, he was the second blk sentator from Illnois.

    Fyi, Baltimore had a white mayor, Martin O’Malley. He won two terms.

  14. BAG Well, I’ve just noticed that more than any other groups, blacks are the most monolithic and racially self-interested

    Or it could be that because we are the most phonetically different in addition to our awful start in this country, we find ourselves more marginalized than other groups.

    BAG Ta-Nehisi Coates makes that claim that the majority of blacks are not racially oriented against whites

    Well there is an HBD quant blogger who posted a study that said as much.

  15. tulio

    Wow, 114 comments already. Robert must have really struck some nerves.

  16. Yes, crack for sure. Working class whites are being hit pretty hard with meth, alcohol and even weed now, esp. in rural America. I don’t think they get super violent, though. Some do, of course, but the crime hasn’t gone through the roof or anything. Mostly it just turns the people, men especially, into useless flotsam.

    Exactly. I lived in a White town for 16 years that had been hammered hard by meth and booze. We lived next door to some of those folks for a while. They were scumbags, but they were harmless. We had to call the cops on them a few times due to way too much noise. Wild parties on Thursday nite. Plus there were some fights inside, crashing bottles and whatnot. Typical White trash stuff.

    But they never stole anything, and actually they were pretty nice people, some of them anyway! Worst thing was they would get cranked out and spit off the balcony all nite long and cuss. I went out to my car and there was a cigarette butt on it that had been lit, gum, and spit. I was pissed. But they were not trying to hit the car.

    Another time some of them were over in the afternoon drinking 40 oz beers and eating a bunch of fast food sitting on the balcony being trashy. When they left, there was fast food refuse splattered all over the balcony. It was really disgusting. And it stayed there for a couple of days.

    They were basically just these totally disgusting slobs, lol.

    They knew we called the cops on them and complained to the management about them to try to get them evicted. They eventually got evicted.

    I saw the one guy later with all his stuff piled in his car with his girlfriend and he was really nice to me. I went over to talk to him and he said they were living in a motel or something, really nice and friendly. And he must have known that we told on them to the management and called the cops on them. But White people can be like that. They must have known on some level that they were fucking up hard.

    That “useless human flotsam” is a good description. After I moved to this Hispanic area, I noticed way more crime. I developed a theory that when Whites go South, they victimize themselves. That’s the pitiful, cranked out, drunken useless human flotsam thing. Aggression turned inwards. When non-Whites like Blacks and Hispanics go South, they victimize others. Aggression turned outwards.

    We can handle self-destructive people. White communities are full of them. But once people start victimizing others the whole fabric of society seems to come apart.

    What was weird was the whole time we were trying to get those guys evicted (tough process because management won’t evict tenants just because say I want them gone) we were smiling at them, waving and being nice. But White people are like that. You’re supposed to be nice, all the time or as much as possible. To most everyone. If you don’t like them, you pretend you do, lol. It’s sort of stupid, but it seems to make White society run pretty well.

    • Matt

      That description of whites vs. blacks and Hispanics in dealing with harmful stress sounds a lot like men vs. women. You know, men get angry, women get depressed; men, use guns, women use pills.

  17. Rob, do you have any German in you, or are you nearly all British? For some reason, you look southern German, perhaps from Bavaria or Baden.

    5/8 British including Welsh and Scottish, 1/4 German and 1/8 French. The German comes from Baden Wurtemburg, yes. They left there in 1740, took a boat down the Rhine to Rotterdam and went to Maryland, later to be part of the Pennsylvania Dutch. Before they were in Germany, they were in the Southern Alps in the Occitan and Provencal regions. Before that, Catalonia in the year 1000 or so. Before that, we lose the line.

    • fpy3p

      Do Germans cluster closer to west Europeans or to Slavs?

        • fpy3p

          Wouldn’t it be ironic if they were closer to Slavs, considering 1941-1945?

        • Matt

          Germans and Slavs are pretty close, even without the intermarriage that took place, especially in the east. Many, many Germans in the east have Polish surnames. During the war, the Germans certainly considered gentile Poles to be Aryans, however much they despised them.

          Both Slavs and Teutons emerged from the steppes of Central Asia, along with Iranian peoples like the Alans. It was often hard to differentiate among them for outsiders, and Iranian and Slavic tribes traveled with the Visigoths and Vandals on their incursions into Southern Europe and North Africa. A background in Rome Total War helps a lot here, LOL.

        • fpy3p

          What about western Europeans such as Brits and Frenchmen?

    • fpy3p

      I didn’t know you followed Dienekes. He’s the best anthropology source online.

      • Matt

        Yes, I’m not sure if he has an agenda or not, but I’m interested in what he writes about, and he seems pretty scholarly and objective.

        • fpy3p

          What made you think he had an agenda? A lot of his writings seem to conform to racial common-sense.

        • Oh he has an agenda all right! He’s a Greek ethnic nationalist, through and through! He hates Nordicists, but that’s ok.

          But he has expended a lot of energy to prove that Southern Europeans and Greeks don’t have any “nigger genes” or “nigger blood” in them. It does look like they have some Black blood, but for Dienekes, Racial Reality, Matilda and some others, the very suggestion makes them livid. Those bloggers have devoted a lot of time and space to proving that S. Europeans don’t have any Black in them.

        • Oh he has an agenda all right! He’s a Greek ethnic nationalist, through and through! He hates Nordicists, but that’s ok.

          But he has expended a lot of energy to prove that Southern Europeans and Greeks don’t have any “nigger genes” or “nigger blood” in them. It does look like they have some Black blood, but for Dienekes, Racial Reality, Matilda and some others, the very suggestion makes them livid. Those bloggers have devoted a lot of time and space to proving that S. Europeans don’t have any Black in them.

  18. Matt

    I think you answered your own question LOL.

  19. Matt

    When the truth is fringy, only the fringe tells the truth.

  20. The racial diversification of serial killers generally mirrors that of the overall U.S. population, making serial killing practically the only crime that does so (as opposed to rape, robbery, burglary, assault, and pretty much every other violent crime).

    No, Blacks are 2X more likely to be serial killers than Whites, but that’s a lot lower than most other crime.

    David, just out of curiosity, what are your views on race.

    Anti-racist race realist.

    Ah, I knew you were a liberal race realist.

    Everyone keeps telling me that LRR is schizophrenic or self-contradictory, but I don’t think so. LRR seems to be the deep undercover philosophy of most White liberals I have known.

  21. I listened to a few Tim Wise lectures on Youtube, and I feel he has a good number of valid points ensnared in an avalanche of bullshit. I feel the same way about white nationalists.

    That’s exactly how I feel about both of them. Tim Wise is definitely correct on certain points, but it’s his whole thrust that worries me.

    Oh and it’s called Jewtube David, don’t forget. ;)

  22. Clear Channel Zionist

    Louis C.K. is part Mexican.

  23. Clear Channel Zionist

    If African-Americans can be all, “Africa this and Africa that,” then Jewish- Americans can be all “Israel this and Israel that.”

    Semites (Jews AND Arabs) are the source of trouble in the Middle East.

    Arabs and Jews of the Middle East have attacked America. The problem is Semitic in nature.

    I don’t care how many Star of Davids are in Arlington Cemetery. I don’t care how many “Japanese-Americans” fought for Jewish interests and allied with the Soviets in WWII.

    No longer will Americans be subject to suspicion and persistent social engineering programs.

    Israel will descend into fascism and be attacked by America. Israelis who do not submit to the new order in Israel will be called “Jewish Trash” and denigrated though controlled Israeli media.

    Or…

    Israel will defeat America and remain a pure Jewish State.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Your post doesn’t make a ton of sense, but you do say some interesting things nonetheless.

      Semites (Jews AND Arabs) are the source of trouble in the Middle East.

      No argument from me there.

      Israel will descend into fascism and be attacked by America.

      Ha! Not likely!

      Israel ALREADY is a fascist society, and it’s never going to be attacked by the U.S. anytime soon.

  24. Dan

    He’s wrong on several things, are we forgetting the Arab slave trade and Turkish invasions of Eastern Europe? There was a time when Middle Eastern/Black people were in the upper echelons of the societal ladder, and white people at the very bottom. Infact blue eyed blondes were considered to be the dumb people by various Arab slave traders and conquerors. So he is wrong because if he did there would be guaranteed times where he would not enjoy any sort of privilege. I understand that this is satire but people often overlook these things. Lets also not forget the Mongol era and periods of dominance, I don’t think being white would grant any privileges in that period, or when Atilla the hun (turkic) was sacking the roman empire.

    China becoming the next empire, please let’s not get into debates about that, a lot of it is just hyped up.

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