In the comments section, Alpha Unit asks, “What is White culture?”
I’m not sure what the answer is, but I will try to partially answer that question.
I don’t know how to put this into precise words, but as a general rule, a city over 90% White will often be a very nice place to live.
I have lived in these places all my life. The places I lived in had almost no crime. You could walk up and down the street at 3 AM. Indeed, I would would see attractive teenage girls walking on the street alone at 5 AM. Sure, they look at you when you drive by with a possibly worried look on their face, but they are out there walking. I used to see that quite a bit as a matter of fact.
In a recent book by Robert S. Griffin, Living White: Writings on Race, 2000-2005, one man described the 97% White town he grew up in. Supposedly it was a sundown town.
Whenever a tree fell, an Irish guy would come and plant a new tree. Everyone had white picket fences they maintained in the same way just for appearance sake. There was almost no crime. No one was afraid to walk the streets at any time. Further, when people added onto their homes, they did so all in a manner that was consistent with a “style of the city” that the city had developed.
There was active civic life. The schools were good and safe. There were no gangs. The drug problem was controllable, at least, people did not stand on the corners and sell dope. The cops were so bored that it was almost a problem, since they harassed teenagers since they had nothing to do. There was little trash or littering. If someone littered, people yelled at you or gave you dirty looks.
Then the place started turning. It wasn’t that big of a deal until it hit the proverbial “tipping point” which is often around 30-40% Black. At that point, things started rapidly going downhill.
The city is still 55% White, but it’s not the same. There is trash and broken glass everywhere. There is graffiti. The white picket fences are going out and everyone fixes their house in different ways so things look chaotic. The schools are going downhill. There are gangs and there is graffiti. Worst of all, there is crime.
Thefts are very common and there have been some muggings and of course, the rapes. Perpetrators are young Black males. The cops are quite busy. The Irishman is gone and when a tree falls, no one bothers to plant a new one. Civic life is shot.
Everyone knows this story, but people don’t talk about it that much. There’s a reason why Whites, even White liberals, prefer to live in White communities.
Hell, even Blacks prefer to live in White communities. They’re a nicer place to live than Black communities, and any Black with a brain has figured that out.
Problem is that a certain percentage of Blacks moves in (the tipping point varies) you don’t have that nice White town anymore. You have the beginnings of a Black town, which is frankly what those same Blacks were fleeing. At some point, the place is almost all Black and it’s more or less a ghetto, at least in parts. Even the Blacks want to move on. I call this process “Black flight.” So the process begins anew.
The Hispanic tipping point is a lot higher than Blacks. Instead of the 15-40% tipping point for Blacks (often as low as 15% for schools), the Hispanic tipping point is around 60%. Over 60%, and the city has “gone Hispanic.”
It’s not the same. The process is much slower and not nearly as marked as what happens when a city turns Black, but you would have to be an idiot to say that took place was not a general decline. Even at 60%, the place is surely much more livable than a 60% Black city, but it’s just not that nice White town anymore. There’s gangs and graffiti, and the schools are bad. Things start to look dilapidated. Homes start to look run-down and so do cars.
There is trash everywhere – Hispanics are notorious litterbugs. There is an increase in crime, most noticeably theft, often petty theft or minor theft. There are a lot more drugs around. There aren’t that many rapes, and women are fairly safe, but there is an increase in sex crimes. There is a lot more drunken driving, and drunken Hispanics start crashing into your cars.
Here in California, we are even seeing “Hispanic flight.” The Hispanics with the money sometimes start fleeing to Whiter towns nearby, but they are embarrassed to admit it.
Whites? They just keep running.
I’m not sure if this has much to do with money. I’ve lived in a poor White town and a poor Hispanic town and the White town was vastly better. I can’t imagine what a poor Black town must be like. It sounds horrible.
Of course, this whole thing is grist for the White separatists, but they are still a tiny minority. Most Whites are still not buying and never will, and they will just keep running and running.
One solution to me is integration. I wrote about Avram Davidson recently. He was a great writer, but he was a bit of a racist too. He used to say, “A Black a block. Spread em out and civilize em!”
That’s sounds kind of nasty and racist, but realistically, how can you call an integrationist impulse racist? A few Blacks in a largely White or Hispanic area seem to do all right. Even the ghetto types seem to try a lot harder. Around here, I think some of the Blacks try to compete with the Whites and Hispanics and out-succeed them. I am convinced that these same folks would be ten feet under in a ghetto.
Blacks do great in heavily-White schools. Many studies show this.
Detroit was still a very nice city at about 15-20% Black. You can look at the figures. The crime rate only inched up a little bit. Now look at it.
39 Comments
July 1, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I appreciate your post, Robert.
The White towns you talked about seem to be very civilized places to live. That’s because everyone shares the same values and agrees on what the rules are. Also, everyone understands the importance of upholding the rules and the necessity of penalties if the rules are violated. And so the community lives in relative peace and security.
I would submit, however, that there is nothing particularly “White” about this mindset. The same mindset is found in “primitive” cultures, as those who study human cultures will tell you.
The idea that certain things are forbidden and certain things are mandated, and that for the common good everyone must obey these rules (or else) exists in even the most primitive, non-White cultures. And the people in such a group would probably report living a relatively peaceful existence as well, as long as the status quo is maintained.
July 1, 2009 at 10:49 pm
You are exactly correct. I know precisely what you are talking about, AS. Even in rural Africa, even in rural Nigeria, such systems were in place. There was little crime or pathology in these villages up until about 1960 or so. It was based in part on an intense system of social shaming along with a feeling that if one messed up, you ruined it for your whole family. Further, there were very harsh punishments for misbehavior.
In many cases, for repeat offenders, there is simply banishment from the village. In primitive cultures, that may well be a death sentence. A Nigerian fellow I knew said that in his village in Nigeria, they gave you one chance. After that, they just killed you. There was little crime.
September 12, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Yeah, I’d read about some isolated villages in West Africa where thieves are damn near killed by the village if they get caught, so little theft happens.
I agree with Alpha, these values can be seen in many nations, including non-white ones. I think when there’s the feeling of “we are all in this together” and there’s that sense of cultural/values commonality, it’s easier to have that type of society.
I grew up in an area that turned almost completely Hispanic. Before it hit the tipping point number, it was a fairly diverse working class area, but still okay to live and kept clean. By the time we left there were gangs, graffiti, we had to put up with mariachi bands in neighbor’s backyards at 2am when we were trying to sleep, people painting their houses bright colorful shades of paint, people painting the bottoms of trees white as is the norm in Latin America. The latter two things are bad things per se in the context of Latin American society, but it’s not really the culture here to do that so it causes clash. The neighborhood became more rundown, more poor looking women pushing strollers around. There was almost zero non-Hispanic children anymore at the local elementary school. Few people would be heard publicly speaking English. It just felt like it became a colony of Mexico.
July 1, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Blacks can’t seriously compete with whites. Also, I don’t think blacks want to be spread out so that they will have no contact with other black people – they actually like being black. Simply enforcing racial separation makes the most sense.
July 1, 2009 at 11:35 pm
It won’t work. First of all, it’s illegal. Now, you could change the law if you had the numbers, but you have no White support for your side. I’ve never seen a poll, but I doubt if even 5% of Whites support White separatism. If you bring it up to your average White person (and I have brought it up to many) they look sort of disturbed, and then they usually start laughing.
Blacks don’t want segregation. We tried that. It didn’t work. Blacks want to live with Whites. They don’t want to live in all-Black areas. Not only is it dangerous and unpleasant, there is excellent information coming out that shows that segregation for Blacks is actually deadly – it kills them. Blacks have to be nuts to be Black separatists.
September 12, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I don’t know about that. There is some evidence that blacks fared better under segregation in certain ways. I remember my mom telling me how “in the good ol’ days” neighbors all knew each other and looked after one another’s kids. That people actually left their doors unlocked in her neighborhood(which is mostly black). You had the black middle class and the poor class living side by side. You had self-reliance. Black businesses, black stores(rather than Korean stores in black areas). The crime rate wasn’t nearly as high as now and the out of wedlock birth rate was quite low compared to what it is these days. Poor black kids had middle class black integrated with them and they had more role models. Blacks were making music that was some of the best stuff that ever came out of America, stuff you can put on for your family and it was clean, and about topics all people can relate too. There was no gangsta rap back then or any music that glorified the ghetto mindset.
What integration did was basically the same thing that emigration is doing to Africa now. It was a brain drain. Middle class blacks who were an asset to their community left and the only blacks left in all black areas were the underclass. Most blacks don’t live in the inner city, I think about 60% of blacks live outside inner cities either in the suburbs or rural areas(in the south mainly). The middle class drain of the black community, I’m not sure that was a good thing for blacks overall. Because those are the blacks that had most the best values that integrated well in western society. When they left, all you had behind were the worst ones, and in that rotting core left behind is where you get all the problems that people call “black problems”, which I’d rather refer to as “black UNDERCLASS problems”. High crime, high AIDS rate, high out of wedlock birthrates, little value of education, little interest in reading or intellectual matters, crime, glorification of the gangsta lifestyle through music, etc.
July 2, 2009 at 3:15 am
Polls, shmolls. White people parrot all the usual bullshit about diversity, but want nothing to do with it in practice. In practice, the vast majority of whites are racial separatists. Obviously nobody is going to want anything to do with your silly forced integration scheme. That shit’s been tried, and nobody with any sense wants to try it again, even the most lame-assed liberals.
July 2, 2009 at 7:23 am
We don’t need forced integration. Blacks can go anywhere they want in the US. It’s now a free country and housing discrimination is at its lowest level ever.
You guys keep saying you can sell White separatism to the White masses. Well, go for it. I tell you, you bring that up to a White person, and they usually start laughing out loud. There’s no support for it and you know it. But hey, go for it, by all means.
Whites have no problems whatsoever living with some non-Whites, as long as there are not huge numbers of them. So Whites are not really racial separatists at all. Whites just don’t like it when things get too Brown or Black.
Speaking of already been tried, Whites separatism has already been tried. It’s called sundown towns. It’s through, gone. That era is dead, or fading fast. And no one wants to bring it back.
July 2, 2009 at 4:02 am
reader: “White people parrot all the usual bullshit about diversity, but want nothing to do with it in practice. In practice, the vast majority of whites are racial separatists. Obviously nobody is going to want anything to do with your silly forced integration scheme.”
Yes, that is exactly right. Many Whites love to talk about how great “diversity” and “integration” is yet they contradict themselves because they always prefer to live in a safe/clean White neighborhoods, send their kids to good White-majority schools, and so on.
However, the amount of damage done by Blacks, Hispanics, and other troublesome groups pales in comparison to the damage done by the nation-destroying Jews. Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/Arabs/etc might give White nations a ‘cold’ or even sometimes the ‘flu,’ but being infested with Jews is like having terminal cancer.
July 2, 2009 at 4:14 am
RL: “Whites? They just keep running.”
WHITE MEN, WHITE WOMEN, WHITE CHILDREN: THERE CAN BE NO MORE COWARDLY ‘WHITE FLIGHT’ – WE MUST STAND AND FIGHT FOR OUR WHITE RIGHTS AND OUR WHITE LIVES OR ELSE WE’LL ALL PERISH IN THE DARK NIGHT THAT’S DESCENDING! – “RAGE, RAGE AGAINST THE DYING OF THE LIGHT.” [DT] – http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/06/29/guy-white-moderate/#comment-13763
July 2, 2009 at 4:56 am
Well, there’s a problem with Avram’s slogan – “A Black a block.”
Blacks are nearly 15% of the population, and as you mention, that’s the percentage where they begin to effect schooling. So if they were spread out, all non-blacks would be effected by their anti-eduation culture.
July 2, 2009 at 7:24 am
Good point, Sandra.
September 12, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Actually, it’s 13.7% to be exact. The fallacy of your assumption is that all 13.7% are problematic. You are forgetting that of that nearly 14% blacks, most of them are middle class, have professional jobs and behave no different than you do in their day to day life. Now if all 14% were thugs, you might have a point, but that’s not the case.
July 2, 2009 at 6:59 am
What’s the deal on diversity in advertising? It’s really getting carried away with itself. Am I blinded by prejudice, or has advertising tipped? I don’t see many Whites pictured in anything anymore, especially municipal pamphlets and utility bill inserts. Public transportation ads, bank ads and ads for clothing sales all feature less and less White faces. It used to be a “token” minority face you’d see in these spreads. Now it’s the “token” white face. The hardware chain store in my neighborhood sends out seasonal ad sheets that feature more Black and Hispanic faces than Whites doing really White things like painting picket fences and trimming hedges. Indeterminite mixes seem to be preferred when the ads are niche marketing to twenty somethings. I often can’t tell what race the models in these spreads are. They’re inevitably toothy, tan and frizzy haired with Asian eyes. And, of course their designer leisure wear hangs off their perfect ballet dancer bodies just right. Same with TV, but not so much the radio yet. Everyone on the radio sounds the same except Tavis Smiley and Blacks who sometimes get through to the talk show hosts. Listening to speed talker Michael Medved slow himself down for ping pong with a laid back ebonics speaking Black caller is entertaining. He always tries to camouflage his impatience and disdain (even for those who agree with him) with extra concern and friendliness.
July 2, 2009 at 9:08 am
You know, Robert, I’ve been reading all of this and I am no closer to knowing what White culture is. Maybe no one can define it. In order for something to be a “White” cultural trait, it would have to originate with Whites.
If you say, “Human consciousness operates independently of race” or “Culture is not a product of race,” someone will jump up and scream, “Leftist! Marxist!” Either there are cultural features exclusive to a specific race or there aren’t. Ideology has nothing to do with it.
July 3, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Why do black women in the US dye their hair blonde, use hair extensions, and straighten their hair?
July 3, 2009 at 7:07 pm
The answer is obvious. Long, straight, blonde hair is a White cultural trait. And like so many others, it is worthy of emulation.
July 3, 2009 at 7:22 pm
To me, straight hair on Black women looks great. I love it. I have to admit I am not into Black women’s normal Afro hair (on their heads anyway). OTOH, it’s kind of weird that when Black guys straighten their hair, it looks stupid. So Black guys look better with normal Black hair. Or cornrow it or dread it. Check out James Brown? Doesn’t that look lame? Weird how straight hair looks great on Black women but lame on Black guys.
Not that many Black women dye their hair blond. Many groups of women dye their hair blond: Japanese, Jews, Argentines, US Hispanics, Whites, Blacks. I would say that Black women dye their hair blond way less than White and Hispanic women do.
September 12, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I think the closest thing to a pure American white culture is the stereotyped image of 1950s WASP nuclear family America and its cultural norms of the time period.
I don’t know who close that stereotype was to reality for most people as I didn’t live back then. But that image to me stands out as white American culture as it’s most pervasive and influential.
As for black women’s hair. Well, black women have been doing that since the days of slavery. For the same reason black women used to use skin lighteners. They were ashamed of their African features because they were taught by society that it’s something to be ashamed of. In some places, like the Dominican Republic, blacks are so ashamed of their African ancestry that they simply deny being black altogether and claim they are “Indians”. As for African Americans, the black power movement of the 1960s made it fashionable for black people to stop straightening their hair and using skin lighteners and they began to start embracing their African features for the first time. I think it’s a good thing that more black women are proud to wear Afros and dreadlocks. Btw, blacks who take strong pride in their African heritage are some of the least likely to be out committing crime, so this should be something whites encourage.
Unfortunately though, a black woman wearing an Afrocentric hairstyle is not accepted in mainstream white society. If Michelle Obama were to stop wearing a white hairstyle, and instead wore a short afro or dreadlocks, whites would probably be uncomfortable. Given that she’s already dark-skinned, she would just look to Afro-centric for most white’s comfort. There was already some rumblings when one of the Obama daughters wore her hair in twists and people were saying that hairstyle is not appropriate for a first family. Most blacks looking at her hair would’ve thought it was adorable. Just one way in which white and black cultures can clash.
September 12, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Let me also add in the greater context of what I said about blacks embracing their African heritage. I think the main reason for crime in society is lack of social consciousness. Or a lack of awareness of how you are part of the whole and how your bad actions that lead to short term gain screws yourself in the long run and society as a whole. Criminals either don’t understand that or simply don’t care. They are not socially conscientious. Anything that makes people socially conscientious will lead to less crime and social deviance. Show me a person who throws their trash out the car window and I’ll show you a potential criminal. It’s no coincidence that safe neighborhoods tend to also be very free of random garbage in the streets. And ghettos tend to have trash everywhere. I think if kids can be taught from early age simply why it’s wrong to throw garbage on the ground instead of putting it into a garbage can, they will have social awareness instilled into them, and such kids are less likely to do other things that harm society.
As for Afrocentrism, the good is does is that it makes black people socially aware and socially committed. And socially aware people tend to not commit crimes. So I think in that sense, it’s a positive thing.
July 2, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Why do you two (AU & RL) want to integrate blacks with whites? What is so special about whites? Why not try to integrate blacks with Asians?
July 3, 2009 at 9:44 am
Race is not first and foremost to me. Civilization is.
I’m not interested in integrating black people with anyone. I’m interested in civilized people being integrated with civilized people. I don’t want to be anywhere near uncivilized people of any race, and I don’t want to live anywhere near an uncivilized community–no matter what race the inhabitants are.
July 3, 2009 at 3:48 pm
But it looks like the members of your race tend to be a lot less civilized. Here is an article for you and RL.
July 3, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I already read that article. I’m a subscriber to Amren, you know. Jared gifted me a sub. He’s a friend of mine.
In response to the article, Blacks get a lot more civilized and easy to deal with as they get older. Even by university age, Blacks, even males, are seldom a problem. Of course, you have to be pretty smart to get into university, so that weeds out most of the Black idiots. Black kids are really difficult, especially the boys, I agree. I’ll never teach Blacks again, and I taught them for years. I’m a former teacher, you know.
Depends on how you deal with em. You need to try to treat them with respect, even if it’s difficult sometimes. There were two occasions when I just up and walked right out of my classes and went home though. I still can’t believe I did that. I just said fuck it and went home.
By 11th or 12th grade, even in the ghetto, Blacks are very easy to deal with. All the idiots are dropped out, in jail, in the hospital, or dead. The only Blacks left are the ones that want to be there. They cause no problems whatsoever. They won’t do any work, but they cause no discipline problems.
I did not have a lot of problems with Blacks fighting Blacks in my classes. I’m pretty psycho and I just start screaming and yelling. Plus I’m really good at looking as cold and evil as the worst serial killer that ever lived. Blacks respect that, and if you look like that, they often won’t mess with you.
July 3, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Thanks for the article. I never would have known what black kids were like had I not read it.
Your point was?
September 12, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“Of course, this whole thing is grist for the White separatists, but they are still a tiny minority. Most Whites are still not buying and never will, and they will just keep running and running.”
I hope you agree that that’s a really sad way to live your life. Running all the time, without any ultimate control over your own destiny.
It’s quite remarkable what’s happening. We are in the process of a century long decline. It began in 1964, and anti-racism in the form of forced integration and immigration marches on destroying neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city, county by county. By 2042 whites will be a minority but there’s nothing magical about that year. In 2064 the elites ruling over a third world wasteland will celebrate the 100 year anniversary of the immigration act and how far we’ve come. They’ll point to gaps in test scores and point out we still have a long way to go.
Hopefully one day some great Chinese historian of America will tell the whole story.
September 12, 2009 at 3:58 pm
What you speak of has been happening since the dawn of time. Native American tribes displaced other Native American tribes. The Spanish came in an displaced the Aztecs. Their mestizo descendants then became Mexico and displaced Native Americans to their north. American whites moved west, displacing more NAs, then those whites displaced the Mexicans living in the southwest, now Mexicans are once again displacing the whites that have been living here since the 1800s and it will go on and on. This same story can be told on every habitable continent on earth, over and over again. It’s nothing new. The world adapts to new realities and moves forward.
If I was a white nationalist, I’d wouldn’t be advocating for whites to keep running. Eventually that’s not going to be feasible, not because whites are running out of room to run, but because energy prices are going to trend upwards(due to increasing global population and many 2nd tier nations with huge populations growing their economies like China, India and Brazil) and it’s going to become increasingly unfeasible to live in commuter towns far from the cities.
WNs should number one, stop complaining about their shrinking numbers. The main reason whites are shrinking is because they reproduce below replacement rate. That’s not the fault of any other race if whites would rather have 1 kid so they can spend their remaining income on plasma TVs and luxury SUVs. And number two, rather than running, they should confront the problems head on. Crime can be eliminated anywhere if there is the political will to do it. During the riots the national guard came in. Guess what, crime in south central dropped to zero at that point. Now I’m not saying we need to put the national guard in high crime areas, but if you need to have more cops patrolling these places, then do it. If you have to build more jails, then do it. If you have to pass more 3 strikes laws so we can toss criminals in jail and throw away the key, then do it. While Al Sharpton may complain about it, you’d probably have a silent majority of blacks who live in these neighborhoods that would be glad to have more police presence and more criminals locked away for good.
September 12, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Yes, it’s happened forever. But usually it’s been an objectively superior race doing it to an inferior one. The sad part here is that its a coalition of the less worthy that are doing it.
“If I was a white nationalist, I’d wouldn’t be advocating for whites to keep running. Eventually that’s not going to be feasible, not because whites are running out of room to run, but because energy prices are going to trend upwards(due to increasing global population and many 2nd tier nations with huge populations growing their economies like China, India and Brazil) and it’s going to become increasingly unfeasible to live in commuter towns far from the cities.”
Yes, that is the dream of you losers. Whites forced to live around you by circumstances. It’s not going to happen. Whites in Latin America have been running for hundreds of years. Increases in energy prices will be set off by increasing productivity. If not, whites will take the economic hit to live away from the unpleasant, violent, unattractive nonwhites. I did so in my life and others will too.
“Really interesting article that touches on this topic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200901/end-of-whiteness”
The Chinaman who wrote it reminds me of you. Being split away from his native culture he has nothing to look forward to but the cultural and genetic destruction of those he envies. “The people of color” are a sad bunch. Resentment is all they have.
September 12, 2009 at 8:48 pm
“Yes, it’s happened forever. But usually it’s been an objectively superior race doing it to an inferior one.
Really? So were the Visigoth barbarians who overran the Roman Empire were objectively superior?
“The sad part here is that its a coalition of the less worthy that are doing it.”
There is no coalition of anything here. White America is disappearing because whites choose to reproduce below replacement level.
“Yes, that is the dream of you losers. Whites forced to live around you by circumstances. It’s not going to happen. Whites in Latin America have been running for hundreds of years.”
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Latin American cities, being older are more like European cities where the wealthy tend to live in the city, rather than it is America where the wealthy live way outside the city and have a long commute to work. Even in Rio de Janeiro, probably the most crime-ridden major city in Latin America, the wealthy white brazilians often live literally right across the street from a favela. I’m not exaggerating here. I could show you photos I’ve taken of favelas literally right in the middle of a bunch of wealthy estates.
September 12, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“Really? So were the Visigoth barbarians who overran the Roman Empire were objectively superior? ”
I said *usually* it’s the objectively superior who are the winners. When it’s not, it’s a tragedy. That’s why the fall of Rome was a bigger tragedy than the fall of the Nubians and why the end of white America is a bigger tragedy than the end of Tibet.
“There is no coalition of anything here. White America is disappearing because whites choose to reproduce below replacement level.”
No, it’s because of immigration. The Japanese have one child each and they’re surviving as a distinct race because they’re not letting themselves get overrun. White America would be fine if left alone.
September 12, 2009 at 9:46 pm
The Japanese actually are having some internal debate about whether to expand immigration, for the same reasons Europeans are. Their society has become too top-heavy and they need more workers to support their social system.
Eventually they will import more immigrants. They will have no choice. Either that or start having more kids.
September 12, 2009 at 10:21 pm
What you’re saying is complete BS. Quality of the population matters more than quantity. Mexicans, Muslims and blacks destroy every first world institution they infest. This lie about needing immigration comes from race denying leftist creationists. Nobody who makes the argument is a serious person.
September 12, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Really interesting article that touches on this topic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200901/end-of-whiteness
December 6, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Your post is deeply mistaken. Grozny, Russia, is virtually 100 % white but remains as one of the world’s most dangerous cities, whereas some entirely black places like Ghana are relatively safe. Violence and crime come with poverty rather than through race, that explains why places multicultural places like France and the USA are safer than some all white countries like Albania or Georgia.
December 7, 2009 at 1:16 am
In the US, even poor White towns are quite safe.
Anyway, the thing is, wherever you have lots of Blacks, as a general rule, you have tons of crime, often violent crime. Going to import lots of Blacks into your country which has no Blacks? You will only end up with them committing tons of crime, probably way more crime than your natives. Why would any sane nation do such a thing?
December 7, 2009 at 6:15 am
I just saw this thread (wasn’t reading this site when it started) and while I’m not sure if campaigning for enclaves is the best ultimate strategy, the first step is to end eqalitarian multiculturalism and admit that white culture is the superior one. Intelligent Negroes (Robert’s term for American blacks) see how much better white communities and civilizations are to black ones, and emulate them. Almost all legal immigrants came here to live like whites, not like blacks, Hispanics or natives back home.
The ultimate societal loss is the mainstreaming of ghetto culture. After spending 12 years in public school, kids have absorbed Big Brother’s lesson that cultures are equal and that one shouldn’t prefer ones own, just because its familiar. The endgame is students believing that dealing drugs and giving birth at 16 are mere lifestyle choices no inherently inferior to studying and getting a fulfilling career.
“[Author Cora] Daniels, who is 35 and black, worries about a downward cultural spiral where suburban boys work as pimps, middle-class girls aspire to dance like strippers and dropping out of school is often seen as a badge of honor.”
December 7, 2009 at 6:32 am
Unfortunately, I really do think that you are onto something here.
I would like to check out that book by Cora Daniels.
Just getting people to admit that White culture in the US is superior to Black, Hispanic or Polynesian culture in the US would be amazing.
I don’t have a problem with any Asian cultures in the US. They are not really too problematic. Further, East Indian culture in the US is not much of a problem. Nor is Arab culture. None of these other than the Asians have any numbers anyway, and for all intents and purposes, they are just not a problem.
However, if you go from a White city or area to a poor or low income Hispanic, Black, Amerindian or Polynesian area, the decline is quite obvious. All of these groups seem to be emulating the street gang culture of the Blacks and Hispanics these days.
I’m not too worried about the mainstreaming of shitty ghetto culture to White communities. Even poor White communities generally adopt a very scaled down version of it that one can very much live with. For one thing, communities adopting this often have extremely low crime rates and White boys just don’t join street gangs.
Adoptation mostly consists of White kids who think ghetto attire and music is cool, but that’s about as far as they go. Their bad behavior involves usual White pursuits such a drinking excessively, DUI’s, fist-fighting, etc. Along with the usual dope, but that’s not a ghetto import anymore.
December 7, 2009 at 8:48 am
Let’s not get carried away here. The majority of blacks don’t even aspire to such things.
As for society admitting that “white culture is superior”, such statements only make sense when followed up with “superior in what sense or to what aim?” It’s like saying Pit bulls or Greyhounds or superior. They may be superior to one another in some particular aspect such as fighting or speed, but unless you define in what way, the statement makes little sense.
Who was more superior? Taino Indians or the Spaniards? The Spaniards were technologically superior, but the Taino were morally superior since they greeted the Spaniards with open arms only to become slaughtered by the very people they welcomed.
There are certain things I like about black culture and don’t like about white culture and vice versa. I think it’s more effective to talk in terms of strengths and weaknesses rather than blanket statements like “we are superior to them” which do nothing but lead to bigotry and ethnocentrism. Not to mention that many of the things people hate about black culture can be found in any culture to some degree. I don’t think I’d want outlaw biker gangs as neighbors anymore than I’d want the bloods and crips.
December 7, 2009 at 12:03 pm
That stuff Daniels is talking about is called “ghetto.”
Now, from my perspective, I’m going to say that I like White culture better than Black, Hispanic, Amerindian or Polynesian culture here in the US.
The problem is that everywhere in the US you have lots of low income Blacks, you seem to have the sort of stuff that Daniels talks about. Now, you mention percentages tulio. I don’t know about percentages. But you will have that element, probably in spades, really.
I mean, we have only 2000 Blacks in this city here, and this is not even a ghetto of any kind. Yet I assure that Daniels’ element is here to a quite large degree.
Some examples. Blacks are only 4% of the population here. Yet almost all of the pimps and prostitutes here are Black. I mean the streetwalkers and the call girls both. The girl upstairs from me was part time whoring and so were two of her friends apparently. Her ex bf was a pimp. There was another guy who hung around the complex who was also a pimp.
You really don’t see any Hispanic pimps and whores in this town. I don’t know if they exist or not, but that’s just not something that the Hispanics seem to do.
As far as admitting that White culture is better than the others, that’s clearly not going to happen, as you note.
Now, to me, it’s normal for Blacks, even ones like tulio, to like Black culture. People tend to like their own culture. But to a lot of us Whites, Black culture is more or less a horror. Just too much stuff like Daniels talks about. To us Whites, well, we clearly feel that White culture is better than say Black, Hispanic, Amerindian or Polynesian culture in the US. Surely the majority of US Whites feel that way.
Let me point out that ethnocentrism is normal, and thinking your own culture is better is the hallmark of ethnocentrism. So, really, most people of all groups think that their own culture is better. However, coming out and saying so is not PC, as tulio alludes.