The Jews Under Stalin

Olive is a 22 year old female Jewish commenter with the mind of someone much older. She and some other Jews hang out in the comments section where they drink, dine, make merry and do battle (with my encouragement) with legions of anti-Semites. Jews Versus Anti-Semites, you’ve got to love it. This makes the comments section like WW2, only way fewer dead bodies. Hers is an excellent perception of Stalin:

Stalin discouraged Jewish self segregation. Before Stalin came to power, the USSR was run by Jewish Bolsheviks, but Stalin tried to eliminate Jewish separatism. That is why Jewish groups label him as antisemitic.

He also destroyed most of the Jewish villages and Jewish culture because he felt that they encouraged Jewish separatism. I suppose you could call him “antisemitic,” because he tried to eliminate Jewish culture as a distinct culture. He may not have murdered Jews en masse, but destroying Jewish culture is antisemitic.

However, what exactly is the destruction of Jewish culture? See that Yiddish was heavily encouraged in the USSR – no state anywhere on Earth has ever promoted Yiddish as well as the USSR did. What was definitely discouraged was Jewish nationalism.

A Jewish state was set up, albeit in Siberia. However, some Jews did move there, and they could and did have a homeland there. I felt it was wrong to give them a piece of Siberia like that.

If anything against argues the notion that the USSR was run by Jews, it is that the Jews got so shafted in terms of being given a ethnic state. Giving them a tiny bit of Siberia thousands of miles away from any known Jewish settlement – how insulting can you get? That’s almost spitting in the face of the Jews, or at least the Jewish nationalists, right?

It is true that Stalin did support Israel at the very start. This should argue against the Super-Jew argument that Stalin was some kind of an anti-Semite. It’s also true that Stalin turned against Israel very quickly after it was founded, because Israel turned towards the US. There did begin at that time some persecution towards Soviet Jews, and it was often based on the fact that they were seen as being pro-Western.

And some Soviet and East Bloc Jews were indeed spying for the West, especially for the CIA. Israel has recently proudly admitted this. So possibly some of the Jews persecuted or executed by Stalin were in fact spying for the West. Stalin quickly turned towards the Arabs because Israel was pro-Western.

The Doctor’s Plot, which SuperJews the world over will not quit wailing about, may indeed have been a plot to murder Stalin. In other words, I think there was a plot to kill Stalin, and I think that Stalin may have been poisoned to death by someone, probably by his own doctors.

Were his physicians Jews? Possibly some of them were. So was there a Jewish Doctor’s Plot to kill Stalin? Who knows? But there may have been ample grounds for suspicion of something like that. Peter Myers has written quite a bit on this subject, and he is not friendly towards Stalin in the slightest. He concludes that Stalin was poisoned by his doctors.

Nevertheless, the persecution of Jews during this period, the campaign against “rootless cosmopolitanism”, the persecuted and executed Jewish Yiddish authors, poets and intellectuals, was an outrage and a crime. This entire period of Stalin’s rule, the last about 6 years or so, could be classed as anti-Semitic.

In Stalin’s (somewhat) defense, at one point someone pointed out to Stalin that his persecution of the Jews smacked of anti-Semitism.  Stalin replied, crying out, “But you do not understand! It is not that they are Jews! That does not matter! They are all Zionists, all of them!” So the Stalinists saw this as a purge of the Jewish nationalists or Zionists within the party.

Golda Meir’s visit to the USSR in 1948 drew one of the largest crowds of Soviet Jews ever assembled. This fact is used by anti-Semites to show that Stalinism was a Jewish-run enterprise. In fact, at this time, it was getting dangerous to be a Jewish nationalist. That mass turnout to see Golda is one of the things that set off Stalin’s alarm bells.

As an aside, the fact that someone could criticize Stalin and easily get away with it shows that Stalin was not the Most Evil Monster That Ever Lived as is implied. Except during a few periods of utter madness like around 1937, the meetings of Stalin’s upper crust were very self-critical, and Stalin himself encouraged an atmosphere of extreme self-criticism at this level of the party, self-criticism being an essential though often abandoned aspect of Marxism anyway.

Stalin typically took criticism well at these meetings, often nodding his head in agreement and taking notes.

Stalin was a bad man in many ways, a mass murderer, a killer. In his time, he ordered the peacetime executions of 900,000 people (not 20-110 million or whatever the fascist and Nazi liars say). Of those, 800,000 were killed in a single year of wild paranoia that spiraled out of control. The paranoia was set off by the discovery of a high-level Nazi-Trotskyite plot within the deepest recesses of the party to hand part of the USSR over to the Nazis.

The fact that the Great Terror continued for only one horrible year and was then abruptly stopped was due to self-criticism within the party. The highest levels of the party, including Stalin himself, finally realized that the madness had gone completely insane.

Anna Louise Strong’s great but hard to find book, The Stalin Era, which can downloaded on this site here, makes this clear. The party got itself together and ordered a wind-down to the crazed mass killings and paranoia that had overtaken the party.

After Stalinism, things stayed bad for Soviet Jews, but an argument against mass anti-Semitism is that almost every year, a Soviet Jew won Best Chess Champion in the USSR. How they could do this is in a viciously anti-Semitic state is mysterious.

In Poland in the late 1960′s, a very lamentable period of anti-Semitism emerged, set off tragically by Polish Communists. Zionology (the study of Zionism) as a scholarly discipline was set up and actively pursued. Zionology was really the study of Jews.

Things got bad, but there were no death camps or pogroms.

Yitzak Shamir, former Prime Minister of Israel, was once asked whether the USSR was an anti-Semitic state. He replied that on the contrary, “The USSR was anti-anti-Semitic. It was the most anti-anti-Semitic state that has ever existed.” He also famously stated that the Poles “drank their anti-Semitism from the milk of their mother’s breasts,” in other words, it was an essential part of their culture.

Both of Shamir’s statements are truer than either the anti-Semites or the SuperJews want to believe.

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51 responses to “The Jews Under Stalin

  1. OPPOSE JEWISH CONTROL

    Stalin was making preparations to expel Soviet Jews en masse before he died; if he would have lived a few years longer (some believe he was covertly murdered or poisoned by Jews or people sympathetic to them) Soviet Jews would have been expelled to some far-off desolate/unpopulated area of the USSR, possibly even beyond the Urals.

    Like Hitler, Stalin realized that the only solution to the Jewish Question is the complete separation of Jews from non-Jews because as long as Jews live amongst non-Jews they will ALWAYS exploit them and degrade their culture.

  2. OPPOSE JEWISH CONTROL

    “The Doctor’s Plot, which SuperJews the world over will not quit wailing about, may indeed have been a plot to murder Stalin. In other words, I think there was a plot to kill Stalin, and I think that Stalin may have been poisoned to death by someone, probably by his own doctors. Were his physicians Jews? Possibly some of them were. So was there a Jewish Doctor’s Plot to kill Stalin? Who knows? But there may have been ample grounds for suspicion of something like that. Peter Myers has written quite a bit on this subject, and he is not friendly towards Stalin in the slightest. He concludes that Stalin was poisoned by his doctors.”

    YES – Stalin was poisoned by JEWISH DOCTORS because he was planning a MASS EXPULSION of Soviet Jewry; thus Jews poisoned Stalin before he was able to issue the order expelling Jews en masse.

    Kinda funny, isn’t it? All of these anti-Jewish measures popping up at the same time in different countries, all of them targeting the ‘poor and innocent’ Jews: the Nazi/German persecution; the Soviet persecution; and the American persecution of Jewish spies and Hollywood Jews during the McCarthy Era. Other anti-Jewish measures were also adopted by many other countries during this time period as well.

    We’re heading toward another one of these turbulent anti-Jew periods, just you watch…it’s coming.

  3. You’re right, Olive. I had forgotten about Stalin cracking down on Jewish culture in the late 1930′s. But he was cracking down on all nationalists at that time.

    I had always thought that the notion that Stalin was an anti-Semite was mostly being thrown about by the Super-Jews and Hard Zionists (Pretty much thing!). Those are the only folks I ever heard making that accusation.

    But we should note that in the years before 1938, Yiddish was promoted and allowed to flourish in the USSR as it had never been in any country on Earth.

    Hence, Soviet policy towards the Jews veered between two extremes.

    Stalin did not just burn down synagogues, he burned down plenty of churches.

    The guy did not discriminate. If he thought you were disloyal, you were in for trouble, no matter your ethnicity.

  4. YES – Stalin was poisoned by JEWISH DOCTORS because he was planning a MASS EXPULSION of Soviet Jewry; thus Jews poisoned Stalin before he was able to issue the order expelling Jews en masse.

    Expelling them to Siberia? Well, that is interesting.

    The 1950′s were not a particularly nasty time to be a Jew in the US compared to the 1950′s in the USSR or Germany in the 30′s and 40′s.

    I am pretty dubious that we heading towards some period of horrible persecution of Jews in the US. I doubt if it will get even as bad as it was in the early 60′s when Jews were still banned from many establishments. The Jews always do tend to overreach, though, do they not? A little bit of power is not enough, they just want more and more, and then the inevitable storm comes. I would argue that the position that is good for the Jews is not to overreach because of the anti-Semitic blowback that typically follows.

  5. hoff2

    Robert, how ignorant can you be? Not one single synagogue in Sovjet was burned down. That is pure bs. Christian churches and mosques and all other whatnot houses of worship was burned but not one single synagogue in all of the jew run Sovjet was touched.

    The worlds REAL holocaust denier are the commi scumbags who denies the massmurder in the name of communism.

    “Stalin’s jews” by Sever Plocker in Ynet, both jewish. The jews who run Sovjet killed non-jews by the ten of millions. Far surpassing anything the germans did.

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/stalins-jews/

    That the jews in Czar Russia was confined to live in the Pale of Settlement is a jewish propaganda lie. All you need to do is read the short history of the jews synagogues in St Peterburg and Mocba and look at the years when they were built. There was plenty of jews in St Petersburg, the Czars capitol and Moscow. And look at the size, they are downtown in the center of the town and they are GIGANTIC.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Choral_Synagogue_of_St._Petersburg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Choral_Synagogue

    • mick

      Actually, some synagogues were destroyed, but by overly zealous young Jews eager to rid themselves of the oppressive Talmudic Rabbis. But it is true that at the time that the Jewish lead Bolsheviks were rampaging through Russia and its satelites, destroying churches and murdering Christian clergy, they were also building yeshivas as well as planning huge synagogues in place of, and over the ruins of churches.

  6. That’s a lie, hoff. There were 2.5 million killed in peacetime in the USSR from 1921-1953 – 32 years. Once Nazis started killing in 1940, they killed 15 million in Holocaust stuff alone and started a war that killed 43 million people. All in only 5 years.

    There were no “10′s of millions” of non-Jews killed “by Jews” in the USSR. This is a Nazi lie!

    • Toronto

      I think R.Lindsey is a moron.

      Nazis were Jews !
      Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Eichmann, Heydrich, Hess, Frank, Globocnik, Canaris etc.
      Jewish bankers: Rothschild, Morgan, Schiff, Warburg, Mendelson, Rockefeller, Kuhn etc financed A.Hitler and a Third Reich military build-up.

      COMMUNISTS WERE JEWS !
      Lenin (Blank), Trocky (Bronstein), Yagoda, Kuhn, Kaganowitz, Reichmann, Firin, Rappoport, Guzenberg, Joffe, Kogan, Erenberg etc.
      Berman and Frenkel were designers of “Gulag” concentration camps in Siberia.
      G.Yagoda, NKVD chief, is responsible for mass-murdering of 10 million people in USSR !
      L.Kaganowitz, Politbiuro member, is responsible for 7 million of hunger-deaths in Ukraine.

      Sources of information:
      “Before Hitler came” – D.Bronder, Jewish historian.
      “Hitler’s Jewish soldiers” – B.Rigg, Jewish historian
      “Eichmann in Jerusalem” – H.Arendt, Jewish historian
      “The secret agreement betwen Zionism and Nazism” – E.Black, Jewish historian
      “In the shadows of Wall Street” – Pierre deVillemarest, French Intelligence
      Archives of British and American Intelligence.
      Recently Declassified archives of US Government.

    • Robert,
      “It does not matter if the boot on your throat is on the left or right foot.”
      (DEATH BY GOVERNMENT, “DEMOCIDE”, THE UNLAWFUL, USUALLY EXTRA-JUDICIAL EXECUTIONS OF A GROUP OR GROUP BY A STATE’S OWN NATIONALS OR CITIZENS. NOT COLLATERAL WAR-TIME CASUALTIES BUT DETAINEES, USUALLY INCARCERATED THEN SLAUGHTERED IN VARIOUS METHODS, THE LUCKY ONES, A BULLET TO THE BRAINSTEM (MEDULLA OBLONGATA), AN INSTANT, PAINLESS DEATH, MOST WERE SENT TO LABOR/DEATH-CAMPS, GULAGS WHERE THEY WERE EITHER TORTURE EXECUTED (FIRING-SQUAD, HANGINGS, CRUCIFIXION, BURNING, VIVISECTION, OR BOTH. THIS INCLUDED WOMEN, INFANTS, ELDERLY.
      Either way both Nazi’s and Soviets (“The Communist Manifesto” was co-authored by an atheistic, Yiddish-speaking Jew. Furthermore, most communist/socialist philosophers, proponents, authors, adherents, organizers & “soldiers” of the 19th,, the 20th & 21st centuries were, have been & are Jews, in wildly disproportionate percentages to the general population wherever found. Communism is the actual plan of attack written as a secular, modern doctrine taken from the Talmud, Mishnah, Zohar, extra- or anti-Torah (Tanakh/ Bible, Old Testament) wherein 2 Tamuds were written, the much smaller Jerusalem Talmud [c. 179 AD]and the larger, more authoritative Babylonian Talmud. [5th cen AD]. These books are the supposed oral traditions and rabbinical interpretations of the Torah. The Talmud, Mishnah are more of a sociopathic, psychotic refutation of the Bible wherein the Jews deify themselves, codify an EXTREME ANIMUS towards all non-Jews, but most especially a HORRIFICALLY, INSANE JEALOUS HATRED TOWARDS WHITE INDO-EUROPEANS, ESPECIALLY OF NORDIC STOCK. All these fucking moron Zionist-Christians give absolute loyalty, 100s of millions of dollars to Israel, a pharisaic state, whose holy books repeated call Jesus a “liar”, “a son of a whore”, a “bastard” and that he suffers conscious eternal torture in hell,”boiled alive in semen” or “buried alive in a dung-heap”. Mary is called a “whore”, a “harlot” and in short, the Talmud states that Jews have the right to lie, cheat, kill, rape, trick and lie to all gentiles unless doing so would cause the Jew or Jews harms. In fact it is a sin to help or show any kindness to Christians, to a lesser extant all Gentiles except when refusing help could be noticed and cause harm to Jews) with Jewish help killed a helluva lot of innocent, noncombatants. Can we both agree on that? Both Nazism and Marxist-Leninism are too statist and authoritarian for my taste.

      (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide)
      “Rummel’s counts 43 million deaths due to democide inside and outside the Soviet Union during Stalin’s regime. This is much higher than an often quoted figure of 20 million. Rummel has responded that the 20 million estimate is based on a figure from Robert Conquest’s 1968 book The Great Terror, and that Conquest’s qualifier “almost certainly too low” is usually forgotten. Conquest’s calculations excluded camp deaths before 1936 and after 1950, executions from 1939–1953, the vast deportation of the people of captive nations into the camps and their deaths 1939–1953, the massive deportation within the Soviet Union of minorities 1941–1944 and their deaths, and those the Soviet Red Army and secret police executed throughout Eastern Europe after their conquest during 1944–1945. Moreover, the Holodomor that killed 5 million in 1932–1934 is also not included.
      His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the inflictions of people working for governments than have died in battle.”

      (more to this

      (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes)
      “According to Rudolph Joseph Rummel, PhD (a liberal democrat), the killings done by communist regimes can be explained with the marriage between absolute power and an absolutist ideology – Marxism.[25]

      “Of all religions, secular and otherwise,” Rummel positions Marxism as “by far the bloodiest – bloodier than the Catholic Inquisition, the various Catholic crusades, and the Thirty Years War between Catholics and Protestants. In practice, Marxism has meant bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal prison camps and murderous forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and fraudulent show trials, outright mass murder and genocide.”[26] He writes that in practice the Marxists saw the construction of their utopia as “a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism and inequality – and, as in a real war, noncombatants would unfortunately get caught in the battle. There would be necessary enemy casualties: the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, ‘wreckers’, intellectuals, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, the rich and landlords. As in a war, millions might die, but these deaths would be justified by the end, as in the defeat of Hitler in World War II. To the ruling Marxists, the goal of a communist utopia was enough to justify all the deaths.”[26]

      In his book “Red Holocaust”, Steven Rosefielde argues that communism’s internal contradictions “caused to be killed” approximately 60 million people and perhaps tens of millions more, and that this “Red Holocaust” – the peacetime mass killings and other related crimes against humanity perpetrated by Communist leaders such as Joseph Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao Tse-tung, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot—should be the centerpiece of any net assessment of communism. He states that the aforementioned leaders are “collectively guilty of holocaust-scale felonious homicides.”[27]”

      Comparison to other mass killings

      Daniel Goldhagen argues that 20th century Communist regimes “have killed more people than any other regime type.”[52] Other scholars in the fields of Communist studies and genocide studies, such as Steven Rosefielde, Benjamin Valentino, and R.J. Rummel, have come to similar conclusions.[53] [2][26] Rosefielde states that it is possible the “Red Holocaust” killed more non-combatants than “Ha Shoah” and “Japan’s Asian holocaust” combined, and “was at least as heinous, given the singularity of Hitler’s genocide.” Rosefielde also notes that “while it is fashionable to mitigate the Red Holocaust by observing that capitalism killed millions of colonials in the twentieth century, primarily through man-made famines, no inventory of such felonious negligent homicides comes close to the Red Holocaust total.”[53]

      States where mass killings have occurred

      Soviet Union

      After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives became available, containing official records of the execution of approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – for a total of about 3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[54]

      Estimates on the number of deaths brought about by Stalin’s rule are hotly debated by scholars in the field of Soviet and communist studies.[55][56] The published results vary depending on the time when the estimate was made, on the criteria and methods used for the estimates, and sources available for estimates. Some historians attempt to make separate estimates for different periods of the Soviet history, with casualties for the Stalinist period varying from 8 to 61 million.[57][Full citation needed] [58][Full citation needed][59][Full citation needed][60][page needed][61][page needed][62][page needed] Several scholars, among them Stalin biographer Simon Sebag Montefiore, former Politburo member Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev and the director of Yale’s “Annals of Communism” series Jonathan Brent, put the death toll at about 20 million.[63][64][65][66][67][68][69] Robert Conquest, in the latest revision (2007) of his book The Great Terror, estimates that while exact numbers will never be certain, the communist leaders of the USSR were responsible for no fewer than 15 million deaths.[70]

      According to Stephen G. Wheatcroft, Stalin’s regime can be charged with causing the “purposive deaths” of about a million people, although the number of deaths caused by the regime’s “criminal neglect” and “ruthlessness” was considerably higher, and perhaps exceed Hitler’s.[4] Wheatcroft excludes all famine deaths as “purposive deaths,” and claims those that do qualify fit more closely the category of “execution” rather than “murder.”[4] However, some of the actions of Stalin’s regime, not only those during the Holodomor but also Dekulakization and targeted campaigns against particular ethnic groups, can be considered as genocide, [71] [72] at least in its loose definition.[73]

      Genocide scholar Adam Jones claims that “there is very little in the record of human experience to match the violence unleashed between 1917, when the Bolsheviks took power, and 1953, when Joseph Stalin died and the Soviet Union moved to adopt a more restrained and largely non-murderous domestic policy.” He notes the exceptions being the Khmer Rouge (in relative terms) and Mao’s rule in China (in absolute terms).[74]

      Red Terror

      Main articles: Red Terror, Decossackization, and Lenin’s Hanging Order

      During the Russian Civil War, both sides unleashed terror campaigns (the Red and White Terrors). The Red Terror culminated in the summary execution of tens of thousands of “enemies of the people” by the political police, the Cheka.[75][copyright violation?][volume & issue needed][76][77][78] Many victims were ‘bourgeois hostages’ rounded up and held in readiness for summary execution in reprisal for any alleged counter-revolutionary provocation.[79] Many were put to death during and after the suppression of revolts, such as the Kronstadt rebellion and the Tambov Rebellion. Professor Donald Rayfield claims that “the repression that followed the rebellions in Kronstadt and Tambov alone resulted in tens of thousands of executions.”[80] A large number of Orthodox clergymen were also killed.[81][82]

      The policy of decossackization amounted to an attempt by Soviet leaders to “eliminate, exterminate, and deport the population of a whole territory,” according to Nicolas Werth.[83] In the early months of 1919, some 10,000 to 12,000 Cossacks were executed[84][85][verification needed] and many more deported after their villages were razed to the ground.[86]

      written by an Israeli Jew, Sever Plocker, a great courageous man.
      (http://www.proto-germanic.com/2011/10/we-mustnt-forget-that-some-of-greatest.html)
      We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

      Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel Opinion
      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
      Here’s a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

      Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

      We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.
      Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, “opposition members” who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

      In his new, highly praised book “The War of the World, “Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University’s Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

      Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined “terror officials,” cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

      All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union’s archives have not yet been fully opened to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD’s and KGB’s service.

      The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of “How could it have happened to us?” As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.
      (read more at the 2nd best blog, after Robert Lyndsay & I mean that, even though he and I disagree on politics, just the sheer volume of info and his writing is amazing, it’s polymathic, on so many topics. Ken Doig
      (http://www.proto-germanic.com/2011/10/we-mustnt-forget-that-some-of-greatest.html)

      • rick

        wow,that is a lot of insight. I hope everyone else takes the time to read it .I,’m glad you bought up Mao of china.,because one more smear on humanity is mostly unknown. mao could not have come to power with out the help of russia who were actually the Bolshevist who were actually jews..everyone complains of china and their oppression but no one ask how this came to be. china like japan was imperialist before they had outside intervention.another mostly unknown fact is that africa had the support of the jews under apartheid but as soon as that was over so was the african/jewish close relationship. look at any evil in the world and if you look you will see a pattern of who aides and secretly supports it.

    • mick

      Robert. I can only think that you simply have not kept up to date with documentary history!. Please read; Controversy Of Zion by Douglas Reed, Under The Sign Of The Scorpion by Yuri Lina, Waters Flowing Eastward by L Fry, Behind Communism by Frank L Britain. etc etc. WW2 killed 65 million and was NOT started by A Hitler. Churchill said in 1936, “Hitler will have his war, even if he does not want it”. From 1933 World Jewry declared a “Holy War” against Germany and embarked on a world boycott…

  7. Lafayette Sennacherib

    Stalin was cracking down on all nationalisms. Yes, that’s what Yuri Slezkine says; he says that the main concern was groups who might have loyalties to foreign nations, so before the creation of Israel the jews were a low priority. After the creation of Israel the jews became more suspect. There must also have been some pressure from non-jews to reduce the disproportionate jewish presence at the top. Slezkine shows that during the terror jews did not suffer disproportionately; it could seem that way because the terror was mainly aimed at elites, and jews were over-represented in the elites. Non-elite jews did not suffer disproportionately.

    Robert – you seem to have upped Getty’s figures for executions by c200,000. Reason? Anyway, I feel that even Getty’s figures will eventually be seen to be exaggerated. But, when you think about it – take the UK; how many people would you have to shoot to have a fair chance of turning it into a civilised society? The entire Tory party, Labour Party, all the elite business groups, the aristocracy, big landowners, Trade union bureaucracy, Trotskyists, most of the judiciary, the bigwigs in the civil service, BBC, police, army etc, bankers of course, newspaper owners, church elites, Paul McCartney, Billy Bragg… I think Stalin was quite restrained really.

    ” The BBC isn’t a superjew source” LOL. You cannot be serious! BBC, formerly Bourgeois Brainwashing Corporation, is now the B’nai B’rith Corporation under the zionist funded and controlled Nulabour junta.

  8. hoff2

    How the Hagannah and the Mossad eliminated jews – the whole book.

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/how-the-hagannah-and-the-mossad-eliminated-jews/

  9. hoff2

    B’nai B’rith Corporation = BBC. Thx LS I will use that one. Can you come up with one for CNN?

  10. Hi LS.

    A few things. First of all, the Jews were not suspect after the creation of Israel. It was after the creation of Israel and after Israel turned towards the West, shunning the USSR, that drove Stalin bats. Anyway, we now have proof that in the early 1950′s there were all sorts of Jews in Eastern Europe with deep connections to Israel who started spying for the West (CIA) after Israel turned westward. I suspect that like most Jews they had no loyalties beyond the tribe. When Israel was pro-Soviet, they were too, and when Israel turned, so did they. Finger to the wind or what?

    Thx for that info on Slezkine. So there was no anti-Semitic animus whatsoever during the Great Terror. Just another paranoid fantasy of the SuperJews.

    Well I go by Mario Sousa. You can Google him if you want. “Lies Concerning the Soviet Union.” I think he’s a Swedish Communist. He set executions at 900,000. Looking through the tables, 800,000 of those, or almost 90% of all executions under Stalin, occurred in one year!

    Considering that it looks like the Maoists killed way more people than Stalin in an even shorter period of time, it does look like Stalin was somewhat restrained. He was not very restrained during the war though. He really cracked down hard there. But the USSR was crawling with traitors even during WW2, many of whom were openly siding with the Nazis. It looks like a pretty small % of these folks were actually killed. I think Stalin just terrorized much of society into behaving themselves pretty much. Pretty were pretty scared to go against him. What’s interesting is that in an average year, Stalin imprisoned proportionately fewer people than the US does now! WTH?!

    What is Nulabour?

  11. CNN? A friend of mine calls it ZNN – Zionist National Network.

  12. hoff2

    ZNN is taken. Fox News with Bill O’lier?

    Less then one million killed in the name of communism in the jew run Sovjet is totally bullshit! First of all the jew commi said they were going to kill off the whole bourgeois, all the Czars secret police, all officers, clergy. How many are they, 2 – 5 -10 percent of 170 million. Do the math.

    Then you have the jew made famine in Ukraina. Here are two eyewitness. Freda Utlay was a hardcore commi english women who moved to the jew run Sovjet in the 30s.

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/lost-illusion-freda-utley/

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/what-occurred-in-the-ukraine-was-genocide-planned-by-stalin-in-1932-33/

  13. Lot less than 1 million killed under Stalin. 900,000 executed. Many were also sent to gulags, and 1.2 million died in gulags. Also 400,000 died in dekulakization and the transfer of many Ukrainians to Siberia. There was no Holodomor. It never happened. There was no deliberate famine in the Ukraine. Just one more Nazi lie.

    So it’s 2.5 million died (or killed by) Stalin in peacetime.

    I don’t care what the Commies said. People can say anything they want to. But they never did kill the whole bourgeois or anything close.

    The whole 20-110 million killed is just a great big Nazi – fascist lie.

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  16. Lafayette Sennacherib

    Nulabour is Nulab or NuLab or New Labour – didn’t think that was hard to spot.

    ” jew commi said they were going to kill off the whole bourgeois, all the Czars secret police, all officers, clergy. ” Politicians will promise anything, but it looks like they didn’t deliver – pussies!

  17. LS is not Black. But his gf is.

  18. Reader

    I’m admittedly no expert on the USSR, but my impression has always been that Stalin started off as more or less a tool of the Jews, but gradually turned on them for various reasons, with some group of Jews ultimately having him killed. Most of what I read in this thread seems to support that view.

    It has occurred to me that Stalin might not be the great villain he’s made out to be (setting aside for the moment the contentious issue of civilian death tolls, which in any case would be hard to attribute solely to Stalin). In fact, and again I might be way off on this, but from the standpoint of those of us who oppose Jewish control of European societies, Stalin might have actually been almost a hero of sorts, having effectively ended the complete domination of the USSR by Jews (they still retained a strong influence, but nothing like what they had under Lenin).

  19. Lafayette Sennacherib

    Olive – you are easy to see through. Like all of your ilk, you affect a veneer of civilised humanitarian bonhomie, under which you slip a constant stream of vile racist caricatures and lies to further the supremacist goals of your tribal leaders. You’re fooling no-one.

    Reader – Yes, it’s hard to be sure if any information we get about Stalin is accurate, but it seems he did make some attempt to institute some equal opportunites affirmative action re the jews in the communist party. This may be a big reason why the mostly jewish ‘theorists’ of Western Trotskyism have such a problem with socialism in one country. Trotsky’s own problem with socialism in one country was that he didn’t get to run it.

  20. cursed

    Interesting thread.

  21. Yeah, it’s cool huh, cursed?

  22. hoff2

    Jews did this in the name of communism.

  23. The closure of Yiddish cultural life in the USSR probably started as a struggle between two factions of Jewish/ethnic Ashkenazi communists. See The Lies of Yiddish Studies.

  24. ” The BBC isn’t a superjew source” LOL. You cannot be serious! BBC, formerly Bourgeois Brainwashing Corporation, is now the B’nai B’rith Corporation under the zionist funded and controlled Nulabour junta.

    I have to say I laughed out loud at this, however overstated it is. The BBC recently refused to broadcast the DEC appeal for Gaza, saying it was politically motivated. Zionists in the BBC were behind this decision. Tony Blair is a Zionist Jew of the faith. He’s using the Catholic Church as a cover (LOL).

  25. Mort Goldman

    “Tony Blair is a Zionist Jew of the faith. He’s using the Catholic Church as a cover (LOL).”

    If this is sarcasm, it isn’t coming through very well. I’ll assume that it is, since your comment on the ethnic nationalism thread is pretty lucid and informative. I can’t believe you’re an antisemite of the “Elvis was a crypto-Jew” variety.

  26. No, Mort, it was just a very bad joke and it fell flat. It’s terrible. I’m not convinced about Zionist control of the BBC. There are lots and lots of non-Jews who are Zionists. They could also be at the Beeb. I’m in love with a Jewess. She’s in Israel at the moment. Thanks for your comment.

  27. Mort, Paul’s cool. He’s a very strong supporter of the Palestinians, but he’s also a real Leftist and he genuinely likes and even loves Jews. I’ve found that in the movement, a lot of folks, while not anti-Semites per se, have a lot of anger and hostility towards Jews in general. Paul is a principled Leftist defender of Palestine and dislikes anti-Semites as much as you do.

    You found a soul brother!

    Paul, Mort is a pharmacist. A Jewish pharmacist. He’s also a real leftwinger like you and he’s really, really smart. Also really well-read. I don’t know if he is anti-Zionist. To me he is more a non-Zionist. I think he wants nothing to do with the Zionist project and wishes it would just go away. Then again, he’s ethnocentric, and I don’t think he would be happy to see Israelis getting slaughtered. Mort’s also a damn good writer!

    He hates anti-Semites and especially Nazis. Why? Well, I guess he sees them as his personal enemies. Duh! That’s what they are!

    He sets me straight now and again when I degenerate into anti-Semitism myself. He goes out and kills a Christian baby, makes matsos with their blood, comes over to the house and force feeds them down my throat while chanting weird Kabbalistic chants, until I start to puke. Then he slams the door and leaves but before he goes he says, “Next time, I’ll nail you to the wall!” It’s traumatic, dude!

  28. Mike

    Robert,
    There is an interesting discussion ‘what Russian conservatism means’ pertaining to Stalin, Jews, and many of the nationalist right’s adulation of Stalin, currently underway at Lawrence Auster’s website, View from the Right:

    http://tinyurl.com/qpvntz

  29. nadia

    Zaionism is racism said UN resolution no; 3379 Zaionism is racism it is the same as nacism….Anti zaionists are the same as zaionists and nacis I do not understen what is fass about They are all equaly EVIL

  30. Mrdie

    “But you do not understand! It is not that they are Jews! That does not matter! They are all Zionists, all of them!”

    Can you cite the source of this, Robert?

    • Ah, I am very sorry but I cannot. I read it in the past few years, on the Internet, not in a book. It really stuck in my brain like glue, so I am sure of the quote. But damn, I can’t remember the source!

  31. CapMan

    The White Man will prevail. The Jew only prospers in the fertile soil of others. Has there ever been a state that has accepted the presence of Jews? No. The United States’s patience runs out in a few decades.

  32. James Anderson

    Stalin was poisoned, but it was head of NKVD Lavrenti Beria who poisoned him.

    http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/16693_Stalin.html

    And he was not Jewish. It’s really simple-minded to blame all the world’s woes on Jews. Plain stupid to be honest.

  33. Lape Stylo

    You guys are stupid if you think jews are actulaly running the world. Yeah that makes alot of sense, that’s why we let the halocaust happen. That’s why we have so much trouble with people disliking us today. There is no huge conspiracy. The Israeli army is probably one of the most cautious and humane armies when it comes to using force and is being held to a double standard. If you don’t remember the Arab countries attacked Israel first to wipe it off the face of the earth. Palestinian mothers teach their young children to become suicide bombers, and suicide bombers are local heros. Honestly you guys need to wake up and stop blaming things on the jews, it’s not their fault your life sucks so bad you have to spend time badmouthing a race of people who you clearly no nothing about.

    Get a life. You’re a loser.

    If anything then the news networks are mostly slanted towards palestinian side because they always show them to be the underdog, but never show how in the barber shops in Gaza it’s popular to ask for a copy of a famous suicide bomber’s hair cut.

    Honestly the public always sides with the underdog. See how you are dumb enough to be fooled by them? You think you’re standing up for the little man, but actually you’re just another moron that hasn’t even been to Israel to know what he’s talking about. Get a life

  34. heg

    At the jew lapo stupid: Debunk a single word Br Nathan, an ex-jew writes or say. Put up or shut up.

    Go on, l’m waiting …

    http://www.realzionistnews.com/

  35. heg

    but actually you’re just another moron that hasn’t even been to Israel to know what he’s talking about.

    ===

    heg says: l have been to Palestine for six months, three jew run kolshovs (kibbutz) and one moshav. l have seen more obnoxious jews in real life then most people will see in a lifetime on the jew run TalmudVision, TV.

  36. heg

    The simple truth is that 99 percent of all jews despise goyim, all non-jews to the core.

    The simple truth is that the highest worldly power you can get is to control the state, and that is the jew conspiracy to the core: The jews want to control the state at any cost or by any means. lf that takes to kill ten, twenty or 100 percent of all goyim, to the jew it’s: So be it.

    “Stalin’s Jews

    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

    And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

    Sever Plocker is a jew.
    http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

  37. johnUK

    Hell the Jews came as a aggressive hostile elite who under Trotskyite quite literally wanted to wipe out the Russian people or at least a subservient mass ruled by hostile minorities and use the financial resources of Russia to spread Communist revolution. Jewish equivalent of the Taliban except for Saudi oil firms it was Jewish bankers.

    Stalin and the national Communists revolution put an end to the Trotskyite agenda ordered preservation of historic Russian landmarks, stopped mass immigration apart from foreign workers from the US and Europe into USSR, ethnic groups having there own Republics, made divorces harder banned abortion, fought demographic decline, mass modernisation program although bloody due to poor implementation, bad weather conditions, corruption, organized crime and internal sabotage by the Trotskyites lead to the disaster of 33 but did stop outbreaks of near yearly famines since the civil war and financial capital for 5 year plan.

    As admitted by unbiased historians the purges were a panic reaction from a real Trotskyite plot in the mid 30’s to sabotage the USSR prior to WW2.

    The head of the NKVD at the time a Trotskyite with a Jewish wife was appointed to find conspirators and was involved in the terror that on discovery was arrest, put on trial and sentenced to death.

    By the way Stalin was killed and the doctor’s plot was not conceived or spread by him both he and Beria did not believe it and wanted a stop into investigation. Stalin’s daughter acknowledged this when she emigrated to the US then changed the story when she became friends with anti-Stalinist Jews

    The only Jews Stalin did imprison or kill as a significant group where Commissars who were committing crimes.

    The problem is in 53 there was a Trotskyite coup with Stalin’s murder and Khrushchev coming to power that edited the archives and appointed historians to fix evidence and history of the Stalin era.

    In the west after WW2 the CIA recruited Trotskyite Communists to steer Communist support for the USSR in the west and the IRD anti-Communist propaganda department who would send reports to western news outlets.

    Today most Stalin era research is done by political historians supported by the US state Department and British Foreign Office in Eastern Europe and Russia where research is done by National Endowment for Democracy funded Memorial.

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